What happened in Odessa yesterday is much worse than what the initial reports had indicated: it was truly a deliberate and blood-curling massacre. To summarize:
In Odessa the pro-Russian demonstrators had never seized a building, all they did was erecting a small tent city and hanging out there. Hardly any violence had taken place. Yesterday, the neo-Nazis finally made their move:
1) They bussed in large numbers of Right Sector thugs.
2) They then got the local football hooligans (paid by oligarchs according to some reports) to begin a nationalist demonstration.
3) The Right Sector thugs then joined the hooligans and together they viciously attacked the pro-Russian tent city: the tents were torn down and the anti-regime demonstrators viciously beat up to a pulp. The local cops stood by and watched.
4) The anti-regime demonstrators ran literally for their lives towards the building of Unions which had been their normal rallying point at which point they were surrounded and the building set ablaze.
5) Those attempting to leave the building were severely beat up and many murdered. Many were shot while standing in the windows to flee from the flames.
6) The neo-Nazis did not let the firefighters through.
7) With each jumping demonstrator or each person shot in the windows the crowd would scream “Glory to the Ukraine! Glory to he heroes!” Many took souvenir videos. For them, this was a joyful, liberating event.
8) The Ukrainian social networks flooded with joyful messages congratulation the “heroes” in Odessa and promising more of the same to the accursed Moskals.
9) The Western and Ukie press reported the events as a “clash” with “casualties” but with no reference to any one party causing this massacre.
10) The last fatalities figure was at 46. But with many dying from smoke inhalation and, especially, burns, it will probably go up.
So what about Russia in all this?
I am amazed to see so many commentators posting messages here like “Russia has surrendered” or “Putin has caved in” or “Russia has made a deal”. Truly, I wonder if there is some kind of “mysterious Russian soul” that is so hard to understand. Nora also asked a very interesting question. She wrote:
Saker, am I wrong about this or is Putin’s reluctance based in large part on a profound cultural and historical lack of blood-lust? I mean, we certainly have no compunction Just Plain Destroying… women, children, cultures, societies: really, that’s just what we do, at home and abroad. But apart from Kiev being holy as the beginning of both Russia and her Orthodox faith and wondering how any Orthodox Russian could attack it despite it being perhaps the prime military target, I am so struck by the great desire of the people, all over Ukraine really, not to kill their own. I sure don’t see that here — even the militia types supporting Bundy are now at each other’s throats. I’m not being very articulate here and don’t really know how to take this observation, if it is real, to the next step because I just bump into this wall of “How does morality fight immorality without losing in this life?
So let me try to make sense of all this.
First and foremost, let’s remember the not too distant past.
The very first thing Putin did when he came to power was to prosecute and win an amazingly violent and vicious war against the Chechen Wahabis. As I have mentioned many times here, a typical situation during that war was like this: a Russian commander would be met by a delegation of local “elders” who would assure him that their village was peaceful. The commander would reply “okay, we will not enter your village, but if a single shot comes out of it, we will wipe it off the face of the earth with artillery fire”. And they did so. Every time. With artillery and multiple-rocket launcher fire. A huge number of civilians died because a village of 500 people would harbor 20 or 30 insurgents. And when the commanders of this operation were accused of war crimes (like General Shamanov) Putin not only stood by them, he gave many them the highest Russian decoration: Hero of Russia. Does that mean that Putin was a bloodthirsty genocidal maniac in 1999 and that in 2014 he turned into a pot-smoking peacenik singing “give peace a chance”?
Of course not.
In 1999 Russia had absolutely no other option left. None. The Wahabi insurgency had to be ruthlessly crushed or Russia would collapse. So if the numerous massacres (on both sides) in the First Chechen War were the result of gross incompetence and total indifference by the gang of Jewish oligarch in power under Eltsin, then the numerous massacres (mostly committed by the Russian military) in the Second Chechen War were carefully planned and systematically executed by the military high command with the full backing of the Kremlin.
I am not writing this to trash Putin or accuse him of being a war criminal. I am, like most Russians, absolutely convinced that Russia had no other choice. I even think that this willingness to deliver a massive amount of violence in specific circumstances saved a lot of lives, shortened the war and was actually met with a great deal of understanding by a lot of non-Wahabi Chechens. What Putin and Kadyrov (himself an ex-field commander and also a man with a reputation of ruthlessness, which he does not even deny) achieved in Chechnia is nothing short of a miracle and today Chechnia is a fantastic success story. But to make that possible, the Wahabis had to be quite literally eliminated, one by one, and all their sympathizers given a stark choice: desist or die. Do I really need to remind you all that Putin is the guy who, after a Chechen terrorist attack, publicly declared “we will hunt them down and kill them, and if they hide in a toilet, we will kill them there” (he used a slang term “mochits” which means to “off”, “waste” or “whack” somebody).
Guys, never underestimate the potential of a person like Putin to mete out a huge amounts of ruthless violence if needed. So far all those who have done so have paid dearly.
So why does Russia stand by and do nothing?
Guys, when the Russians look across the border they see two groups they really really hate: Nazis and oligarchs. Them they would gladly kill with even more ruthless mass violence than the Chechen insurgents some of whom at least they respected as courageous combatants. But besides Nazis and oligarchs they also see their own fellow-Russians, who are in a bind, stuck between stuck between a rock and a hard place.
Did you guys see the footage of the Ukie army captain shot down by the pro-Russians over Slaviansk being rescued by the locals? Normally, captured Mi-24 pilots are not treated kindly as they fly a truly terrifying machine which even the Afghan guerrillas feared. In Syria today, these guys typically are tortured and then executed. In this case, I wish you could understand the audio, the pro-Russian militiamen were encouraging the guy by saying: “brother, no worries, we will get you to a hospital, hang in there captain, you still have a long life to live, don’t let go, just a little longer and you will be fine“. There was such an outpouring of compassion towards this men that it was absolutely amazing to see (if somebody could post a subtitled video of this footage that would be fantastic).
Now please understand that if/when Russian intervenes in the Ukraine there will be a lot of people killed. How many neo-Nazis or oligarchs to you think will be manning the Ukie Mi-24 which will be sent to try to stop the movement of Russian armor? How many oligarchs or neo-Nazis will be told to take off in old and poorly maintained SU-27 or MiG-29 to try to stop the Russian Air Force? Zero of course.
And if in Crimea there was not a single shot fired in anger, this will not be the case in the Donbass because it will be much harder to distinguish who is who. Think about it: you see a tank in your targeting scope. Say an old T-72, which you can easily smoke, but whose 125mm smoothbore shell still can kill you and your entire crew. Will you take the chance and try to talk to the other guy? What if his family is a de-facto hostage of the junta? What if he is simply terrified of your upgraded T-90 and shoots first?
The Russians know that most of the Ukrainian military is completely on their side. It is enough to look at the tense and embarrassed faces of the Ukrainian paratroopers which attacked the checkpoints around Slaviansk yesterday to see that they are going through a painful internal struggle.
The Russian military culture is profoundly averse to shooting on civilians or fellow Russians (and I mean “Russian” not ethnically, of course, but in a civilizational sense).
Furthermore, there are two ways to achieve deterrence: denial and punishment.
The first implies that you deny the other guy the means to achieve his goal. The second one means that you punish him if he acts.
Now, let me ask you: how does the Russian military deny the neo-Nazis in Odessa the ability to attack a tent city or burn people alive in a building? And if Russia cannot do that, then whom does Russia “punish” for that and how?
I promise you that if Russia had a magic death ray weapon which would only kill the Ukrainian neo-Nazis and oligarchs Putin would have used it a long time ago. But Putin is not Obama – he does not believe that such a magic death ray weapon (Obama calls it “drones”) exists. Putin fully understands that if Russia moves in there will be a lot of innocent people killed, including pro-Russian Ukrainians, including decent anti-Russian civilians and, of course, Russian soldiers.
The outcome, however, is not in doubt. As I have said here many times, Russia can occupy all of the Ukraine if needed and there is nothing the US/NATO can do about that except protest, gesticulate, threaten, grandstand and increase global warming by a massive release of hot air.
There is no “mysterious Russian soul”. Many in the West have a hard time understanding Putin because they are so used to completely irresponsible politicians who have been carefully selected by the West’s “deep state” precisely for their lack of even basic decency, their knee jerk use of violence as the method of first resort and their eager willingness to reject any form of negotiations. What is mysterious is not the Russian soul but the West unique track record in meting out senseless violence over and over and over again and to hell with the consequences. That is the real mystery.
I also want to say this: up to the moment Putin ordered the “Polite Armed Men in Green” to take Crimea under control, the comments section was full of the very same comments accusing Putin, the Kremlin and Russia of selling out, of weakness or of surrender. Then, quite literally overnight, everybody went “WOW!” when the Crimean Peninsula was taken without a single fatality. Why are we repeating the same mistake today?
I promise you, Russia is ready to intervene in the Ukraine. To my immense sadness, I even suspect that it will. Clearly the US wants Russia to intervene to have a pretext for a new Cold War which would re-subordinate the EU to the US, prevent any Russia-EU rapprochement and give NATO a justification for its absurd existence. As for the freaks in power in Kiev (Timoshenko: “we have to execute these accursed Moskals with nuclear weapons“) they have nothing to loose and they will obey any order coming from their western masters. The recent events in Slaviansk, Kramatorsk and Odessa can only be understood as a provocation to force Russia to intervene. Sadly, this technique might work and those who are now cheering for a Russian intervention might get their wish.
Personally, if Russia sends its military into the Ukraine I will not be rejoicing. I will be heartbroken (even if I will also be elated by the fact that all that neo-Nazi scum will finally have an opportunity to shows its worth in a fair battle agianst the acccursed Moskals).
I personally am deeply grateful to Putin and his outstanding government for not intervening so far and for waiting until the very last second, when there is really no other option left, before doing so. Frankly, my hope is that the Russian-speakers in the East and South of the Ukraine will find a way to secede from Banderastan without any overt Russian intervention. So far, I see no signs at all that the Ukies are winning this one. Yes, reports say that they have taken most of Kramatorsk today. So what? During the first Chechen War a hapless Russian armored brigade also “succeeded” in “taking” the center of Grozny. Then most of them got killed.
Guys – “taking” a city defended by a guerrilla force is always easy. Always. It’s what comes after which is really hard. There is a darn good reason why, at least so far, the Ukie military always withdrew after it’s initial “successes”. These guys are not cowards, they are smart and a lot of them remember their training in the Soviet military. By the way, and this has not been reported in the English blogosphere, did you know that the folks manning the checkpoints around Slaviansk were ordered to withdraw soon after the first skirmishes with the attacking Ukies began. Why? Because a single burst of 30mm gunfire form the Ukie APCs would tear those so-called “checkpoints” into shred in just a few seconds. So what is the point of dying there? So the defenders pulled back, the attackers seized the checkpoint, declared victory, and promptly left. That is the real face of the pseudo-war taking place right now. Every military person there knows and understands that. It’s just the moronic western press corps which just does not want to understand what is really happening in front of it’s nose.
So here is my request to you all: let’s stop both the pro-Russian warmongering on one hand, and the constant Russia-bashing for non-intervention on the other. It’s not good enough to see some dramatic footage on the idiot-tube to jump to conclusions. We first must carefully look at the full picture, at all the issues at stake, try to understand both why this or that actor does something (especially if that something seems stupid or senseless) and then develop a hypothesis of what will happen if, say, Russia intervenes with its armed force. Or if it does not.
It is true that western politicians play poker (bluff) and monopoly (grab it all). These are all sort-term & immediate results games. The Russians (and the Chinese for that matter) play chess where you move slow, calculate each move way in advance, offer gambits, sacrifice pieces and there both the opening and the mid-game have the sole purpose of setting up the desired conditions for the end game. In chess you don’t just smash a piece off your board to show how much of a man you are.
I want to conclude this by reminding you of three basic Russian sayings:
Россия не злится, она сосредотачивается.
(Russia does not get mad, she concentrates)
Русские долго запрягают, да быстро едут.
(Russians are slow to saddle-up, but they ride fast)
Eсли замахнулся – то бей.
(Once you swing, then you have to strike)
Maybe these are the keys to the “mysterious Russian soul”? ;-)
The Saker
I’ve just watched the Corbett interview. Either he gives a public apology or he is finished. It’s very hard to take him seriously after this interview.
elsi, the Real Evil Empire of Eternal Exceptionalism always draws out the worst from the worst people. The USA power elite always seeks out and empowers fellow psychopaths, great and small, to do their filthy work. It only takes a few robopaths, with homicidal or genocidal inclinations, to stampede a populace into full pogrom mode. Those who stand in opposition are easily denounced as ‘traitors’ to the ‘Glory of Ukrainian blood’ or some similar sub-fascist gibberish, and despatched, ‘to encourage the others’. This is how the monsters from Mordor on the Potomac turned a peaceful Yugoslavia, full of inter-married people living in peace and harmony, into a charnel-house. Ukraine today is just another chapter in the 200 year history of the Yankee Reich’s unquenchable bloodlust.
@Daniel Rich: it means “He comes to us with the sword will die by the sword.” St. Alexander Nevskii said that, paraphrasing Christ’s words when He healed the centurion’s servant, at the time He was handed over.
@ Nora,
I talked to a WWII Vet in France and he said, “Things have changed. After we fought our way to Paris, we were greeted by women and doused in wine. Today they’ll hurl those bottles after us…”
The emperor’s dying. May the end come soon and this madness finally laid to rest.
Lysander, in Lithuania the fascisti now in charge prosecuted an elderly Jewish woman for the ‘crime’ of killing Lithuanian Nazis while a Soviet partisan during WW2. I believe the persecution was halted, probably because she was a Jew, but it shows you that Nazi psychology never changes, from generation to generation.
Rowan Berkeley, ‘Howard Amos’, another secret Palestinian, probably Hamas, who have so infiltrated the glorious Western ‘Free Press’. The Guardian, a shit-hole, if you’ll pardon my French’ of lies and aggressive agit-prop. Still, you are correct. The ‘mysterious snipers’ are now so integral to the violent type of Western ‘regime change’ operations as to be routine, as is the subsequent Western MSM lying about it.
Best solution for Russia is a counter coup..like in Egypt
Dear Nora and Mohamed,
“Nora said on 03 May, 2014 21:18…
At other times I might giggle at the thought of Putin with shoulder-length hair, love beads and a bong, (still pondering the choice of music to accompany this…)”
I think the music is quite obvious – “Sweet Home Alabama” sung by the Leningrad Cowboys and the Red Army Choir.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jrg0X9H6FGU
Something to cheer up sad times.
Stivan.
Daniel Rich said…
Q: Кто к нам с мечем пришёл тот от меча и погибнет
rather: Whoever attacks us with the sword will perish by the sword…
Another variation of gospel Jesus’ saying to Peter.
Thanks The Saker!
JUst watched http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2Cl8lSv9Is -The Rise of Putin and The Fall of The Russian-Jewish Oligarchs to understand the importance of Chechnya then.Berezowsky himself admitted Putin didn’t want the position of president – unless Yeltsin asks him personally. What a pity, Ukraine ( having the same or similar oligarchs) doesn’t have such a Putin! 44 mln people and no real statesman among them?
I’ve been duped over the years by these so-called “truthers” like we all have. Corbett is no different. He ain’t one of us, but one of them. I came across this quote some time back and bought the book where it originated, an anthology titled: A Psychological Warfare Casebook
I try to keep this in mind when evaluating a website and/or alternative news personality. Consistency is the key, so you have to have time on your side. Here’s the quote from page 38.
8. The central substance of propaganda is hard, correct information.
“If you give a man the correct information for seven years, he may believe the incorrect information on the first day of the eighth year when it is necessary, from your point of view, that he should do so. Your first job is to build the credibility and the authenticity of your propoganda, and persuade the enemy to trust you although you are his enemy.”
Betrayal is a stain that never fades.
Stivan, you and Mohamed (a Shi’a into Pink Floyd??) DID manage to break my mood! That video is something else!!! ;~)
Now, Petri Krohn invoked The Battle Hymn Of The Republic on the next thread and I tried to find these guys doing that one (it’s a lifelong, all-time favorite even though it always makes me cry) but I can’t seem to find it…. You wouldn’t have a URL for that one too, now would you?
Mohamed said…
If you are into Southern Rock, then I might go for Allman Brothers …
How about Eat a Peach Ain’t Wasting Time No More
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vE3zhu9ROjo&feature=kp
Germany is paying from their taxpayers money for the Ukrainian bastards, please read here (in german): Accusations from the U.S.: Adenauer Foundation paid protesters – http://www.deutsch-tuerkische-nachrichten.de/2014/02/498830/vorwurf-aus-den-usa-adenauer-stiftung-bezahlt-demonstranten/
Nothing wrong with the Corbett interview. He is just trying to harvest a diverse set of views like every good reporter would.
Everyone has their own story to tell – Ukrainian, Russian, European, etc.
So what do you do then when these stories contradict each other? You keep them under your hat. What if you can’t? An intelligent person can.
With best wishes
Anonymous from Finland
Saker, hope you don’t mind that I’ve taken the liberty of translating most of your post (and the follow-up) into Serbian, to counter the similar warmongering/condemnation reflex among the Serbs.
I guess they are so frustrated with their own occupation by the Empire they want to see *some* justice meted out *somewhere*, without thinking about the loss of life. If only they’d channel that frustration and rage into their own liberation instead…
Also am I the only one reminded of the Kosovo Serbs peacefully standing off German tanks (2011-2013, before Belgrade betrayed them) every time I see the federalists stopping BMPs with their bare hands?
Wow, yes the Russian soul is mystical.
How about some mystique of the numbers?
1654 (Treaty of Pereyaslav, the Cossaks inite with Russia) – 2014 (reunification of Crimea with Russia, beginnig of the liberation of Novorossyia)= 360 years, a complete cycle: 60 multiplied by 60 = 40 multiplied by 9!
1774 (Treaty of Kuchuk-Kainarji and the beggining of Novorossyia) – 2014 (the beggining of the liberation of Novorossyia) = 240 years, a smaller cycle: 60 multiplied by 4, or 40 by 6!
Dear Nora,
Yelena Vaenga singing “The Sacred War” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Y4_2Qa0QQs&list=RDjGEC5PEZEh8&index=0 may also lift your spirits especially if you understand the lyrics https://www.marxists.org/history/ussr/sounds/lyrics/sviashchennaia-vojna.htm and their appropriateness to the current situation in the Ukraine.
Look at the faces of the audience and you’ll appreciate why the fascists are doomed.
If you have time, watch the entire concert.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGEC5PEZEh8
Stivan.
Considering the quality of this blog allow me to play devil’s advocate:
What about Saker as a propaganda tool of the Russians?
Think of it: 20.000 visitors a day, a load of reactions (1000 a day?) and the man is editing that all by himself?
Current map of Donetsk region
Life News published (Sunday) this short video with maps showing who controls what territory in Donetsk region.
Телеканал LifeNews составили схему блокпостов на юго-востоке Украины
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMd1J7gxd84
Red = controlled by the regime: Ukr Army, National Guard, Right Sector;
Green = controlled by the Resistance.
Summary:
1) Roads from Kharkov to Slavyansk are fully controlled by the regime.
2) The cities of Kramatorsk and Slavyansk are controlled by the resistance but surrounded by regime checkpoints.
3) The city of Donetsk and those around it are controlled by the resistance.
Great find on Captain Roman Skaskiw, Penny!
Tell Corbett what you think. Write a short, polite note to tell him he has lost all credibility. If he does not respond in a reasonable fasion then you know he is a shill.
http://www.corbettreport.com/contact/
Incidently, Sibel Edmonds is former FBI. She pulls her punches all the time and babels on endlessly offering little to no significant information. Like Annie Machon, who claims Putin is likely behind the Moscow Apartment bombings, she has an elaborate cover story including a book purporting to give us the inside scoop. Tom Secker, another of Corbett’s partners with a good looking website and a book, is a sneaky and manipulative douche. Dig dig dig. Learn to consciously recognize when you are listening to information you strongly agree with. Note what part of the official narrative is being rejected and reinforced. It is likely that if you have heard of an alternative journalist he or she is an asset and you are being corralled.
“Stivan said on 04 May, 2014 00:46…
I think the music is quite obvious – “Sweet Home Alabama” sung by the Leningrad Cowboys and the Red Army Choir.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jrg0X9H6FGU
Something to cheer up sad times.”
Just two words, “hilarious dark”.
Best regards,
Mohamed.
Well, to be honest you did not mention that pro russian militants first attacked pro Ukrain peacefull protesters in Odessa and killed six people. Attack on pro russian militants followed after that.
“Brian_J said on 04 May, 2014 02:37…
How about Eat a Peach Ain’t Wasting Time No More
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vE3zhu9ROjo&feature=kp“
Wow, good old times. Allman Brother are not Southern Rock, they are Classical Rock.
Best regards,
Mohamed.
@Feng Chsang
Saker may or may not be a Russian propaganda tool but that is irrelevant to critical thinkers. A critical thinker cares not for the source, only the content. The source is a concern only for passive thinkers who need to have their information spoon fed to them like babies because mentally that’s what they are.
I would reply “Feng Chsang” question whether the Saker is a tool of Russian propaganda. I would not care a bit about that, I am sick ant tired of the lies of the neo-cons, CIA, FBI, Hollywood, BBC, CNN, Nuland, Kagan, the AIPAC Reuters, AP, etc, just choose whatever that I have witnessed year after year for decades. So if you want me I am also a tool for the Russian propaganda.
Obama and his bunch of terrorists are moving before President Putin and President Xi has a chance to meet. It is perhaps to pre-empt their potential alliance. Mr and Putin and Mr Xi should move up their meeting. Russia and China need to have an allaince which strengthen each other’s hand and allows them to stand up to Washington without fear or worry knowing that any attempt to threaten and attack the other will result in an attack on the US in response.
Do it President Putin and Xi. You have ALL to gain and little to lose in such an Alliance!
@Anonymous from Finland
No, everything is wrong with that interview. A good reporter wouldn’t let blatant lies be expounded on his show without any serious corrections or at least hard questions. Corbett did neither. It’s a huge stain on his resume and after this he simply can’t be trusted again.
@FengShui
So, what’s the problem with propaganda? Is it bad if it’s for Russians but good if it’s Hasbara?
The site is an intelligent and informed propaganda tool for the truth. It said from the start that it presents a pro-Russian point of view. Do you actually hold the view that Russians lie by definition?
Stivan,
Wow. Those faces… The only word I (thought I) understood was narodnaya, so I found a version with English subtitles — and WWII footage. Whew. (You do know that we were, and are, all taught that WE won that war, and Roosevelt gave away Eastern Europe. I only learned otherwise well into my adulthood.) That song, to me, has the same impact as Battle Hymn of the Republic, or Rally ‘Round the Flag (which, if you’re unfamiliar with it, states quite clearly the meaning of that war, *and* gives full credit to those who actually won it — freemen and freed slaves who signed up and fought valiantly when the ranks got depleted and no more whites would sign up. Somewhere between 200,000 and 250,000 of them if I remember correctly.)
But back to narodnaya — it’s not just “the people” then, it also means noble, and…? Was that merely a Communist usage? Does it still apply? I like it, in any case! And now I’ve got my earworm for the day too. Wow. Just wow.
Feng Chsang,
Let me play devil’s advocate too: let’s say he is. Now compare the facts, opinions and analyses he offers with the pablum we get everywhere else, including a lot of the deliberately-neutralized word choices of RT. If one were to accept your point — and I assuredly DO. NOT. — then it would simply be a matter of choosing the superior propaganda. For me, that’s not simply what makes me feel good, but that which aligns best with facts on the ground, i.e., the truth. And facts, and truth, are mighty scarce commodities in the Western media and, sadly, all too many blogs. Your choice, of course, but I read pretty widely and find I get more facts and infinitely better analyses here than anywhere else.
Just a note: Chinese play not that much chess but Go. But all a your qualitative remarks about chess are even more valid for Go, a game with surprising simplicity of the rules but surprisingly much more complex. While modern computers win against world champions in chess, Go computers are only average and have no chance against top human players.
Just a note: Chinese play not that much chess but Go. But all a your qualitative remarks about chess are even more valid for Go, a game with surprising simplicity of the rules but surprisingly much more complex. While modern computers win against world champions in chess, Go computers are only average and have no chance against top human players.
“Nora on 04 May, 2014 02:15 said…
Stivan, you and Mohamed (a Shi’a into Pink Floyd??) DID manage to break my mood! That video is something else!!! ;~) “
lol. Pink Floyd is for brother Saker, who have Roger Waters’ beautiful quote on his site.
We don’t need no education
We don’t need no thought control
No dark sarcasm in the classroom
Teachers leave them kids alone
Hey teacher leave them kids alone
All in all it’s just another brick in the wall
All in all you’re just another brick in the wall
Best regards,
Mohamed. ;~)
The EU28 now has a larger GDP than the USA and the extensions of the EU into the EEA (Norway, Switzerland and Iceland) and Turkey already put the EU comfortably ahead. Brezinzki in his book, The Great ChessBoard, explicitly states that the US must keep the EU and Russia apart or lose it’s position as the world’s hegemonic power. He identified Ukraine as the tool to do this. People who use the word “The West” are either lying or misled. When Kerry uses “The West” he is trying to pretend there is some moral support for his position. When Lavrov uses “The West” he is trying to create a world of Black and White as dated as the Cold War. The EU’s interest is in a stable and prosperous Eastern Europe. (Most trade is done between rich countries). The US’s interest is in instabilty around the EU borders (inclduing North Africa)so that the US can maintain NATO (73% of the budget is paid by the US) and substantial political control of Eurasia. There is no US-EU united position. It is naive to suggest it.
There’s quite a bit that’s suspicious in the Corbett interview. First he presents his guest as the Ukrainian perspective, but the guest is an American living in Ukraine. For comparison would an interview with a Corbett about Japan be the Japanese perspective? Second he never ask the basic question of what his guest is doing in Ukraine; how is he supporting himself? And what about his history in the US military that is not a topic of conversation either. Of course he can have anyone on he chooses but he also has the job of providing perspective and context and he failed badly on that score.
Feng Chsang, Russia really should send the busy Saker some assistance, because he does a very good job of explaining current events from a Russian perspective.
Successful Russian military occupation would require popular support. It is not clear that exists even in Donetsk. There is evidence for an enthusiastic pro President/Secession minority. However, the big pro Parliament demonstration in Donetsk was noticeably younger and wealthier than the President’s men. In Northern Ireland, the IRA had maybe 200-300 active members and 20-30,000 supporters from a population of 1.5 million. Even the most Russified parts of Ukraine contain Ukranians. I’m an English speaking Welshman. Not speaking Welsh doesn’t make me English. A Novorossiya that relied on Russian military backing would be less stable than Ukraine now. The state of the economy is secondary. During the period of the Northern Irish troubles, the North was the most prosperous part. It didn’t stop the IRA wanting unity with the South. In the American Civil War, the wealth was in the North but the South still wanted to secede.
elsi,
Somehow I missed your comment to me, but let me respond now. It’s an oasis for me, too. And I’m truly astounded at how many people — you among them — complain about their English and yet use it exquisitely well. It’s so hard to do that if you’re not using it every day so I truly, deeply respect the skill as well as the effort involved. I’m glad to get to know you, it’s lovely finding a kindred spirit!
Daniel Rich,
The place it will get ugliest, I think, when this Empire collapses, is right here in the belly of the beast. I dread it, but we deserve it, in spades.
Soarintothesky,
I’m not sure I agree w/you re: Northern Ireland, where IRA membership /= views on the source of or solution for the Troubles; a far better stand-in would be simply numbers of Protestants vs. numbers of Catholics. And I absolutely disagree w/you re: the wealth of the North vs. the South right before the Civil War. The real wealth of America was… slaves.
On the 25th of May it’ll be election day in Europe for renewing the EU parliament. I hope that will be a real occasion for freeing Europe from nazi-fascism. More and more people is becoming aware of how the EU pundits are controlled by big industry policies, which are chocking welfare state and labor rights.
Therefore I just hope and suppose the Russians will wait until after the 25th for any move about Ukraine.
@Where-Wolf said… Fans of James Corbett should check this disgraceful interview with Roman Skaskiw
Coincidentally I watched this interview after I watched a previous one with Sybel Edmonds which made me lose all respect for her. I fully agree with you. Hasbara is very subtle at times, but it cannot fail to unmask herself sometimes.
Feel free to correct me, anyone, if I’m wrong, but it’s my understanding that the Wahabi were yet another terror group either created or at least supported and trained by our evil CIA.
So to those who ask “Who needs Chechnya,” that’s actually not the point, or not the whole one. The CIA knows exactly where and how to strike with their terror-kind, to create the most significant problems for those whom they oppose.
-Ann P
@Where-Wolf, @Penny all
A truly bizarre interview. I have sent the following to Corbett and will post any reply in comments here if one is forthcoming:
I was appalled by this interview – I really had difficulty believing what I was hearing and for a while thought it had to be some sort of wind-up. Sadly, it clearly was not.
I run the Wikispooks web site and have been a long-time supporter of both your work and that of Sibel Edmonds. This piece has me reconsidering that support VERY carefully indeed.
In view of the near-completion of the military encirclement of Russia and the clear, in-your-face-obvious intent by the West to destroy Russia if it cannot be made to submit to Anglo-US-NATO uni-polar global project requirements, I really would like to understand why it is that you – of all people – are so ready to jump on the anti-Russian bandwagon. I find it both bizarre and truly puzzling.
Please help me out here.
I urge others to listen to the interview. Here’s the link again. Then provide some feedback to corbett from his feedback form here
I’d like him to get so many such responses that he is forced to explain himself publicly. If he does not, then the conclusion is clear enough.
Since this has become the music and poetry thread, I stumbled on this looking for Loreena McKennitt’s Mummer’s Dance after hearing it on the radio today. It seemed appropriate to tie in given my recent rambling about wolves and my screen name. I love the song. Seeing it I realized I’ve been thinking about wolves a lot lately.
They keep popping up in popular culture. I wondered if I’d been pointed to this video — with soothing music set alongside pics of a heroic canine.
It occurred to me that the image of the wolf is being used to reassure. We are just bathed in a sea of propaganda. It’s impossible to escape the programming! The music you’re posting is the sound track to my life. I hear (some of) it differently now.
When I hear or read the lyrics in We don’t need no education — I’ve heard it so many times the music is dead to me, I’m aware this song was used to ruin the attitude of kids about education. That was it’s purpose. I was in grade 4 or 5 when this song became popular. I remember seeing some of my classmates, especially the ones not doing well, stop trying altogether cause they didn’t need no education.
This is how we are consstantly attacked by things we love, including great art.
I think it’s good to mind your defenses.
Here it is:
Loreena McKennitt – Mummer’s Dance (Dance of wolves)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uq0QKjXlso
Party pooper or counter-propagandist?
You decide;)