by Ya Baqiyatullah
Five years after the invasion of Iraq by the Allied Forces, the people of Iraq find themselves at a crossroad; to accept the SOFA and legalize an occupation or reject it and live indefinitely under the shadows of the US forces. The Iraqi people, after being promised so much in the name of liberation are now left in a dilemma in which either choice will adds to their sufferings.
An indicator of the mainstream Iraqi opinion can be found amongst the religious figures who have opposed deal. The highest ranking cleric in Iraq, Ayatollah Sayyed Ali Sistani has openly objected to this and has imposed certain conditions for it to be accepted by the Iraqi Government. He has called for any deal to safeguard: the common interest of the Iraqi people, national sovereignty, national consensus, and obtain a parliamentary approval.
This sort of objection is not surprising given the history. Previously the US had concluded similar deals in Japan and South Korea, both of which allowed the US troops to be stationed there until now. Moreover, this deal is not detrimental for the Iraqis but also for the rest of the neighboring countries. Having permanent military bases in the region could become a catalyst to launch an attack on neighboring countries such as Iran and Syria. This is part of the reason as to why there has been strong objection from the two leading Shia clerics; Ayatollah Sistani and Ayatollah Sayyed Kazem Haeri with the latter going as far as issuing a fatwa to make it impermissible to vote in the favour of such a deal. Both these clerics consider it a moral and religious obligation to prevent this deal from taking place as it would only endanger the Shias further, not to mention many more innocents too.
The implications of the second part of the SOFA are equally dangerous as the first part and present a more serious issue for the Iraqi people. The fact that US is calling for immunity for its citizens from prosecution in Iraq sends out a strong message as to how ‘mutual’ this agreement really is. In the past it is well known that US has put this condition on a number of their deals with other government most notably the one concluded by the Shah in Iran, prior to the 1979 Revolution, which was met with fierce opposition by Ayatollah Khomeini.
Giving immunity will not only cover up the acts such as the abuse of the Abu Gharib Prisoners and the deaths by Blackwater but it would also give a free pass for many to operate corruptly with the country. It is well known that the Bush Government has turned a blind eye to the corruptions with the Iraqi Government as well as any sort of legal accountability by their own citizens and contractors. Any lack of immunity will only discourage any transparency as to what is occurring in Iraq. A blank check should not be given to anyone, be they the Iraqi Government or foreign forces.
The course of the occupation has led Iraq to rely on foreign aid, namely from the United States. Any suggestion of leaving the country after a Government was in place became a distant memory due to several factors such as insurgency, the militias and sectarian violence all which contributed to the stay of the US in the region. The question that must be posed, was the occupation strategy by the Pentagon the necessary way to remove Saddam? Or did other interests lie at heart when the decision was made regarding the removal of Saddam Hussein? One has to remember that Saddam was a person backed and supported by the US hence to remove him without an occupation would have been a very viable possibility however, the greed of oil was something which was too good to be missed too and sadly, the greed won the day.
Dependency of the Iraqi nation is not the sole reason for the US to remain in Iraq. Given the rhetoric between Tehran and Washington, the cycle of threats has taken a new level with US going as far as funding the terrorists groups such as PEJAK and PKK to infiltrate Iran and going as far as declassifying MKO as a terrorist organisation, MKO are guilty of a number of terrorist activities in Iran after the revolution. All these actions indicate that the US plan in Iraq was much more than the removal of Saddam to begin with.
The United Nations mandate runs out in December 2008 so that begs the question, which road is the best for the Iraqi nation; the SOFA which ensures permanent military bases and immunity in Iraq leaving the people of Iraq under a legalized occupation or an Iraq without SOFA under the occupation of US troops for indefinite or a possible third solution that brings about the true liberation which was promised to the Iraqis?
The solution to this mess that has been caused in Iraq by the US troops is recognition that the solution firstly lies internally and then more importantly on the regional level. They are interlinked and the resolution of one would lead to the other. The settlement should not be dictated by any foreign power regardless of their influence in the region. No other region of the world would tolerate such interference in the region so the same measure should apply here. Consideration should be undertaken in regards to the legitimate interests of the powers in the area but the future of the area should not be held hostage to their exclusive interests, such as the export of oil.
The neighboring states of Iraq which are threatened by the changes in Iraq need to be addressed and treated in any lasting deal for Iraq and the area. Countries like Iran and Turkey need to be introduced in a new security measure which would take into account their concerns, fears and interests. Furthermore, any deal must secure the sovereignty of the region, what happens inside Iraq has repercussions on the lives of millions inside and outside the country. The best hope for the Iraqi people for now, is to reach a deal that provides clear guidelines for foreign troops, and attempts at best to respect an already fragile new nation.
very much lacking on all fronts, plain stupid
@anonymous: very much lacking on all fronts, plain stupid
What I really regret is that you chose to make a forceful claim without any kind of effort to substantiate your opinion or challenging the author of the piece. A piece might or might not be “plain stupid” in your eyes, but for the rest of us something backing your point of view would have been very interesting.
Could you be more specific please?
So, wait what’s all this about? People right? Then WHY in the earth Iran and Turkey’s interests are important but not of the people whose rights PEJAK defends? The author needs to remember how many innocent Kurds his grand Ayatollah Khomaini had lined up and shot and most those people cannot get educated in their NATIVE language. So you know what? None of those countries in the region has any right to bitch about US occupation when they themselves deprive people of their very basic rights!
@anonymous: ok, thanks, now I see what you don’t like about the article. Your point that None of those countries in the region has any right to bitch about US occupation when they themselves deprive people of their very basic rights! is something which the author of the piece now can choose to respond to (if he wishes).
May I ask you a question of my own? Would the Iranian Kurds be satisfied if they got full cultural rights (say at least on par with what the Basques or the Catalans get in Spain) or would they insist on being part of an independent Kurdistan?
Thanks in advance for your clarification on this topic!
VS
Anonymous,
PEJAK defends the rights of the Kurds living in Iran or Iraq? You sound totally oblivious of the reality on the ground. Comparing PEJAK to Iran and Turkey is unparallel, one is a terrorist group guilty of many crimes now given immunity by the US along with MKO to work for their purpose.
As for your assumption about Ayatollah Khomeini why dont you back it up with a neutral source? By that I do not mean any random western academic since half of them write half baked stories rather than facts.
And if you wish to talk about the Kurds in Iran, then I suggest you take a trip down to Tabriz or other regions bordering Iraq and Turkey and notice how freely they are living. As for the language issue, I must laugh it off since anyone who has an ounce of knowledge about Iran knows very well that Iran is open to many languages apart from Farsi. Some Institutes in Qum, Mashad and other cities have arabic or english as their main language and not Farsi so that debunks your claim.
VS,
First the question has to be raised what culture rights are the Kurds deprived off? Secondly, how many Kurds are actually living in Iran given the fall of Saddam?
Regards
Ya Baqiyatullah
@anonymous & Ya Baqiyatullah:
First let me spell out something very clearly here: I am NOT taking sides on the “Kurds in Iran” issue if only because I know exactly nothing about it. I do have rather strong pro Kurdish feelings in what regards the situation in Turkey which I know for a fact to be terrible for Kurds. I am far, far less sympathetic to Iraqi Kurds whom I view as amazingly corrupt and often as US pawns. As for the Kurds in Iran I know *nothing* about them other than what I read in the book “The modern history of the Kurds” by David McDowall which describes how the Kurds in Iran originally welcomed the Revolution only to later run into major trouble with the Pasdaran (along with the Tudeh Party).
I also know that the Iranian Revolution, as so many other revolutions, was marred by many excesses and brutalities; however, I also know that a lot has changed since then and that today’s Iran is far from the one following the Revolution.
I do know that PEJAK, MKO and others do commit acts of which are called “terrorist” by the government. I won’t even go into whether they are “terrorists” or “freedom fighters” (beauty is in the eye of the beholder), the issue for me is not what they do, but why they fight. This is what I would like to understand: why are they fighting? Is that to achieve independence from Iran, is it because the CIA pays them to? Is it because they believe that their cultural rights are suppressed? Is it because they reject the religious principles of the Iranian state?
==>>I would appreciate a clear answer about this.<<==
Also – please do not insult each other here,ok? I want an intelligent discussion not a crude exchange of accusations of stupidity or ignorance here.
Please let us, your readers, judge who is stupid or ignorant on the basis of your replies, factual substantiations and logical conclusions, ok? We can have strong feelings about an issue without having to let that affect the tone of our arguments.
Thanks!
VS
VS,
Have a read of this article which might shed some light on your question:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/former-leader-of-kurd-rebels-reveals-retreat-into-iran-399013.html
I think the complete answer to your question somewhat lies in understanding the ideology of PEJAK.
Regards
Ya Baqiyatullah
Baqiya, you see, I have actually been to Turkey as well as Iran (if Turkey is so good and free why don’t you go to say a university there now and preach the shia faith and then see what happens to you.). Yes, Kurds are free in any of those countries (your next example might be Syria and I suggest you don’t even go there) as long as they forego their very basic rights, their identity. The wonderful Iran which you are defending was the one who set up kasimlou and killed him. I don’t think I have to explain it to you how low it is to call someone to a meeting and then shoot them. But oh yes, everyone who opposes to Iran and Turkey is terrorist and we’ll not worry about what their police force does to people…
Iran and Turkey are bombing civilians under the pretext of bombing “PEJAK and PKK” (e.g. villages in North Iraq). Oh yes, they are acting based on the Intelligence received from the US (which you obviously think is against Iran so why in the earth the US provides that information, it beats me). I don’t think it is fair to compare PEJAK with MKO but doing that obviously helps Iran’s agenda. So let me ask you, can a Kurdish child get educated in his native language in Iran? Let me answer it for you: NO. Not in Turkey either. I don’t care about Arabic as you very well know Iran does it for Quran and heck, how many arabic states are there? Their language or culture is not being assimilated, Kurds’ are!
Don’t even cite me sources from the British papers. When children and women are getting beaten up on the streets or kids get shot in the back the world’s media is turning a blind eye to it. Besides, let’s talk WHY the land of Kurds have been divided into four and who was the spearhead. Kurds may be seen as puppets for westerners but who is to blame? The occupiers of Kurdish lands who have brutally supressed their culture or say Russia who sold Mahabad out.
I am strongly opposing Iran being presented (or any other country in the region) as an angel. The fact is they are all involved in crimes against humanity (remember league of nations). Iran, Syria, and Turkey, and Iraq (well both Sunni and Shia) become brothers when it comes to persecuting Kurds. So, stability of region is OK at the expense of kurds and their culture perishing but it’s NOT ok if Iran or any other country loses some control on the very basic rights of Kurds. So, this is not just. And let me ask you something… Why is that Hizbollah (with the backing of Iran and Turkey) was HEAVILY used in killing kurdish intellectuals in Turkey, can you please explain that to me? Perhaps we should really discuss who the real terrorist is… One last thing… I recall you are from Pakistan right? Why don’t you push for joining back with India? Thanks.
Peace,
Baqiya, you see, I have actually been to Turkey as well as Iran (if Turkey is so good and free why don’t you go to say a university there now and preach the shia faith and then see what happens to you.).
I know people who do actually teach Shia ideology in Turkey and even teach at the Universities there.
Yes, Kurds are free in any of those countries (your next example might be Syria and I suggest you don’t even go there) as long as they forego their very basic rights, their identity.
What do you mean forego their basic rights and their identity? Do you know how many Shia Kurds are living in Iran at the moment able to hold on to their identity? Have you been to places like Tabreiz?
The wonderful Iran which you are defending was the one who set up kasimlou and killed him. I don’t think I have to explain it to you how low it is to call someone to a meeting and then shoot them. But oh yes, everyone who opposes to Iran and Turkey is terrorist and we’ll not worry about what their police force does to people…
Qasimlou was killed by Commandos who were thought to be the representatives of the Iranian Government and this was in Vienna. If you can find me a link which suggests that Iran or any Iranian Government official authorised this then I would be grateful? There is a difference between a terrorist organisation opposing Iran and Turkey and killing their officials and a Government being involved in it. No one is here labelling anyone a terrorist who has opposed Iran but when the organisations like PEJAK and PKK have gone as far as attacking the Iranian national guards and the officials that does make them a terrorist.
Iran and Turkey are bombing civilians under the pretext of bombing “PEJAK and PKK” (e.g. villages in North Iraq). Oh yes, they are acting based on the Intelligence received from the US (which you obviously think is against Iran so why in the earth the US provides that information, it beats me). I don’t think it is fair to compare PEJAK with MKO but doing that obviously helps Iran’s agenda.
LOL sorry but that is just laughable. Based on the intel from US? Please do me a favour and research on how the Kurds have been attacking Iranian RG in the region bordering Iraq and Turkey. As I provided that article where the former leader testifies himself that the PEJAK are moving towards Iran in order to safeguard themselves against attacks from Turkey. There is no need for US intel to know this given that these people are living in the region and doing this. Plus it is well known that US has turned a blind eye to the inflitraton by the PEJAK in Iran simply because it provides an opening for them and also it destablises the country.
Iran has not even attacked the villages in the Northern Iraq. Turkey was the one that initiated that after their forces were attacked time and time again. US went as far as condemning PEJAK for these acts but turned a blind eye to the attacks on the Iranian RG, I wonder why.
And what makes you think that PEJAK and MKO are not similar organisations?
So let me ask you, can a Kurdish child get educated in his native language in Iran? Let me answer it for you: NO. Not in Turkey either. I don’t care about Arabic as you very well know Iran does it for Quran and heck, how many arabic states are there? Their language or culture is not being assimilated, Kurds’ are!
I gave you an example to illustrate that even though Farsi is the national language of the country there are insititutes where other languages prevail and are used as the main one. Even if you say Arabic is because of the Quran then why English? I know many Shia Kurds from Iran actually living here in UK who are from the region bordering Iraq and many of them have actually told me how there are schools there even though in a minority specifically for Kurds and there is progress albeit slow. Yes, it is not a national level and it would not be.
Don’t even cite me sources from the British papers. When children and women are getting beaten up on the streets or kids get shot in the back the world’s media is turning a blind eye to it. Besides, let’s talk WHY the land of Kurds have been divided into four and who was the spearhead. Kurds may be seen as puppets for westerners but who is to blame? The occupiers of Kurdish lands who have brutally supressed their culture or say Russia who sold Mahabad out.
Would you accept sources other than British papers? If you wish to negate a source why dont you refute it by linking something which backs your point up?
Here is a link which provides history of the Kurds and it also touches upon the division of the land: http://heim.ifi.uio.no/peyman/kurd.html
Furthermore, can you tell me about the Israelis training the Kurds? Whats your take on that?
I am strongly opposing Iran being presented (or any other country in the region) as an angel. The fact is they are all involved in crimes against humanity (remember league of nations). Iran, Syria, and Turkey, and Iraq (well both Sunni and Shia) become brothers when it comes to persecuting Kurds. So, stability of region is OK at the expense of kurds and their culture perishing but it’s NOT ok if Iran or any other country loses some control on the very basic rights of Kurds. So, this is not just.
Then one has to ask why did the Iranians aid the Kurds in terms of weaponary and military actions against the Arabs in 1970s? Or how about the coalition between PUK and Iran during the 8 year war against Saddam? Or even now the role of Talebani in the current political situation?
And you wish to talk about the stability of the region then please tell me about these reports of the Kurds being involved in ethnic cleansing in the region of Iraq.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7676619.stm
http://www.aina.org/news/20081028180230.htm
http://www.gulfnews.com/region/Iraq/10255466.html
I did not even mention anything at the expense of the Kurds in my article. You seem to have an issue with PEJAK being named, which I do not see any reason why they should not be when they are being involved in terrorist activities.
And let me ask you something… Why is that Hizbollah (with the backing of Iran and Turkey) was HEAVILY used in killing kurdish intellectuals in Turkey, can you please explain that to me? Perhaps we should really discuss who the real terrorist is… One last thing… I recall you are from Pakistan right? Why don’t you push for joining back with India? Thanks.
Again please provide a source for Hizbullah being involved in this? By that I ask for what I stated above, a source which highlights an Iranian or a Hizbullah official actually testifying to being involved in these activities.
Why would I push back to joining with India given the dilemma of Kashmir? History is there for all to see, the conflict between Pakistan and India is at heart a conflict regarding terrority. After the British left the sub continent dividing the map of subcontinent into West Pakistan, India, East Pakistan [Bangladesh] and the region of Kashmir the problem was evident. Kashmir was included in the territory of West Pakistan but it was Lord Mount Batten, the most senior British official who supervised the partition and decided to make Kashmir a land on its known rather than including it with either Pakistan or India. That has been the difference over the years and the cause of such a conflict between the two nations. Neither country is willing to give up on Kashmir due to its geographical positioning. Strategically Kashmir is in a very important location as well hence whichever country takes full control of that region will have the upper hand.
Now we find that Kashmir has been divided into two parts, one being the Indian administrated region and the other Pakistan administrated however that has not changed anything. Both sides are still at it for full control of the region. The conflict would have never been there had the British not decided to make a big issue out of Kashmir and had given it to Pakistan as it was originally suggested.
I also say this with some confidence that had the issue of Kashmir not been there India and Pakistan would have been much more stable in their relations. Over the last 30-40 years many times the relations have soured badly because of the issue of Kashmir. Even if we remove the issue of Kashmir, why would Pakistan need to move back with India? I do not see why should there be a push to join back with India.
Regards
Ya Baqiyatullah
If I had a goddamned dime for every time I’ve heard a Turkish racist–who tries to pass him or herself off as a liberal or a democrat–say “Kurds are totally equal citizens in Turkey. Why, Kurds have even been president (İnönü, Özal)” or if I had a goddamned dime for every time I’ve heard a Persian racist–who also tries to pass him or herself off as a liberal or a democrat–say “And if you wish to talk about the Kurds in Iran, then I suggest you take a trip down to Tabriz or other regions bordering Iraq and Turkey and notice how freely they are living”, I could BUY Bill Gates.
As an aside, in order to understand why İnönü and Özal, among others, were not Kurds, you have to understand Ziya Gökalp–who also wasn’t a Kurd–and his Principles of Turkism. If you understand this, you understand why the argument about İnönü, Özal, et.al. is utter nonsense.
Anyway, what we’re dealing with here, first and foremost, is a racist. As for the language issue, why don’t you address mother language education. But you won’t, you can’t, because you are no different in your racism than the Ankara regime.
Let’s see, where does this guy get his half-baked facts? Sounds like, smells like Hersh . . . Seymour Hersh who, once upon a time, did one investigation and he’s been living the good life ever since, with no desire whatsoever to give up that good life by jeopardizing it by writing truth. He writes the fantasies that are blown out of the asses of “unnamed government contractors in Washington” or that are blown out of the ass of Abdullah Gül. Of course, I do have to give Gül some credit, as he’s got more brains than Erdoğan. On the other hand, having merely one neuron encased in the skull would be categorized as having more brains than Erdoğan. . .
If the US is so hot to support either HPG or HRK (Don’t know who those are, do you? The ignorant call them “PKK” and “PJAK” respectively, but “PKK” and “PJAK” are much more than simply their military wings. Naturally everyone will defend HAMAS’ right to have political or non-military wings AND a military wing but will the bleeding hearts do the same for Kurds? Or is the defense of HAMAS invoked simply because their enemies are Jews and not Turks, Iranians, and Arabs? That’s called “double standard”, “hypocrisy”, “Jew-hating”, “antisemitism”.), then why has the US been giving intelligence to Turkey and Iran in order to conduct operations against PJAK? That was going on at the beginning of May.
Naturally the paşas claimed the aerial attacks were against “PKK” but in reality they were against “PJAK”. At the same time the paşas claimed that KCK leaders were, yet again, killed in the attack. Naturally, being even greater than Jesus Christ, they were miraculously resurrected for the umpteenth time.
All of this information was clearly available a month before Hersh’s June article in which he claimed the same shit that is claimed here. So why didn’t Hersh use it?
How is it that Iran has permission to bomb South Kurdistan? It would be impossible without the permission of the US. Therefore, the US and Iran are working together again, along with Turkey. We should never forget Why PJAK Fights nor should we forget the close relationship between the mullahs and the Washington regime.
We all know the key is Turkey, as Serok Apo has said numerous times. That’s why PJAK issued a statement at the beginning of October, saying its primary target would be Turkey from now on. Interestingly enough, that statement came out just as the Bezele (Aktütün) operation was ongoing.
We also know Kurdish freedom will first come from Turkey, that KCK, including its armed wing, HPG, will make its peace with Turkey. We know this because we have seen things we thought we would not see in our lifetimes. The intellectuals in Turkey (yeah, Turkey has REAL intellectuals, unlike Iran, where being an “intellectual” is actually only being a specialist in anal-retentive, medieval religious law) see the situation quite well. Many of these are journalists, REAL journalists who are not afraid to write the truth no matter how many times they’ve been imprisoned, no matter how many charges are filed against them, no matter how many times they’ve been murdered by state assassins. For them, it’s truth that matters, not the good life that Shit-for-conscience Hersh enjoys.
And when HPG does make its peace with Turkey, it’ll be coming for the Persian racists.
Oh, and as for the snark about Ayatollah Shitmeini’s great humanitarian love for Kurds, check the Pulitzers.
Peace,
mizgin, I am only going to respond to your some points at this moment and the rest tomorrow hopefully.
Anyway, what we’re dealing with here, first and foremost, is a racist. As for the language issue, why don’t you address mother language education. But you won’t, you can’t, because you are no different in your racism than the Ankara regime.
So I am a racist? Do please show me where have I made a racist remark?
As for the mother language issue, tell me why in the world other countries do not give the freedom to be educated in the mother languages? Iraqis born in UK have to adhere to the English language, Algerians born in France have to adhere to the french language so what are you really implying with the mother tongue? Are there schools in France which teach exclusively in Algerian language? No there are none which are comprehensively Algerian.
If the mother language issue makes one racist then I guess all the countries which force other nationals to be educated in their national language are racists too.
Let’s see, where does this guy get his half-baked facts? Sounds like, smells like Hersh . . . Seymour Hersh
You could not be more wrong in your observation. I do not rely on the works of others to write mine since most of my articles are based on the information I have accumulated from my travels and from other people on the ground in different countries.
then why has the US been giving intelligence to Turkey and Iran in order to conduct operations against PJAK? That was going on at the beginning of May.
Again why would US need to give intel to Iran? Turkey is understandable but please do explain how you equated Iran in it too given that there has been no exchange of intel between these two nations since the embassy situation after the revolution.
How is it that Iran has permission to bomb South Kurdistan? It would be impossible without the permission of the US. Therefore, the US and Iran are working together again, along with Turkey. We should never forget Why PJAK Fights nor should we forget the close relationship between the mullahs and the Washington regime.
US and the Mullahs have a close relationship? And you base that on that blog article which is rigged with quotes twisted by the actual article writer in order to show that Iran is working with US.
US and the Mullahs have not had any ties since 1979. Only recently, was the first meeting between the two nations over Iraq which kinda fell through at the first hurdle. Secondly, if Iran has been bombing South Kurdistan, something which I highly doubt, it would not require the permission of US. Iran attacked the Taliban regions bordering Afghanistan after there were attacks on the RG in that region they did not seek permission from the US for that so I highly doubt they would seek permission over here.
Regards
Ya Baqiyatullah
“As for the mother language issue, tell me why in the world other countries do not give the freedom to be educated in the mother languages? Iraqis born in UK have to adhere to the English language, Algerians born in France have to adhere to the french language so what are you really implying with the mother tongue? Are there schools in France which teach exclusively in Algerian language? No there are none which are comprehensively Algerian.”
I don’t have much time today so I’ll address only a few of your comments… DUDE… Iraqi’s GO TO England.. Kurds ARE at their HOME. They are INDIGENOUS to their homeland. Get it? If you can impose your “laws and regulations” on them, if you see that right in you, then you deserve a stronger power coming and imposing his law on you. That was my argument all along.
As for India and Pakistan… You missed the point completely. There is no difference between those people other than religion. Brits made Pakistan into a country! So, leave Kurds alone and go merge with your original people, Indians! You side with Iran simply because of your faith. Pakistan was part of India.
About killing Kasimlou and others. Yeah, for every crime the regimes you defend commit, there is West or someone else to blame. They are all angels. Did it ever occur to you that I have seen some things those angels have done??
I have one simple question for you. Why do you think a person would go against his country? Where are those PJAK/PKK fighters are coming from? They DO have families you know. If anything it’s the regimes of those countries creating them. Nothing else. Stop blaming the West or anyone else for your own doings.
Iran, Syria, and others have helped or tolerated the movements temporarily based on their own interests. Not because of human rights, not because of anything else.
All I am trying to tell you is to stop presenting Iran or any other power in the region as an angel. You obviously don’t know the recently prisioned (only a FEW) ex-military officials in Turkey (a completely different story). But people like you used to say their organization belongs to the military and they only kill terrorists.
As for the killing of intellectuals in Turkey by Hizbollah. Why would they admit such a thing? Go to south east Turkey and ask anyone on the street. They’ll tell you.
Peace,
I don’t have much time today so I’ll address only a few of your comments… DUDE… Iraqi’s GO TO England.. Kurds ARE at their HOME. They are INDIGENOUS to their homeland. Get it? If you can impose your “laws and regulations” on them, if you see that right in you, then you deserve a stronger power coming and imposing his law on you. That was my argument all along.
Kurds are at their home, okay lets work with that. So which home is this? Is it the divided one? If so under whose territory do the parts come into? Your arguement is only valid if it is based on the fact that land which is divided is governed by the Kurds regardless of the division. But the reality is much different as you know it yourself that these divided parts come under the territory of other nations.
Moreover, who do you think is really responsible to divide the Kurdistan? The Turks? Iranians? Russians?
As for India and Pakistan… You missed the point completely. There is no difference between those people other than religion. Brits made Pakistan into a country! So, leave Kurds alone and go merge with your original people, Indians! You side with Iran simply because of your faith. Pakistan was part of India.
Ofcourse I side with Iran more because of my faith than my ethnicity. I give more regard to religion than my nationality or my ethnicity. You on other hand would put on your nationalism cap anyday so keep going at that.
If the difference between the Indians and Pakistan was only religion then they would have merged ages ago nor would that have been the only difference when it came to the partition. However, if you read history of the sub-continent you will know that there were much more differences than just religion.
About killing Kasimlou and others. Yeah, for every crime the regimes you defend commit, there is West or someone else to blame. They are all angels. Did it ever occur to you that I have seen some things those angels have done??
Funny I never blamed anyone I said to you to present the facts that it was indeed Iran that was responsible. You have taken the easy way out and said I have layed the blame on others.
And for the record, I do not consider all Iranians to be angels because bad apples are found everywhere.
I have one simple question for you. Why do you think a person would go against his country? Where are those PJAK/PKK fighters are coming from? They DO have families you know. If anything it’s the regimes of those countries creating them. Nothing else. Stop blaming the West or anyone else for your own doings.
There are many factors why a person would against their country you cannot simply conclude that an act of oppression by a few citizens or officials is the reason why these organisation have been created and these fighters have been recurited. That might be one aspect of it but there is much more to it.
All I am trying to tell you is to stop presenting Iran or any other power in the region as an angel. You obviously don’t know the recently prisioned (only a FEW) ex-military officials in Turkey (a completely different story). But people like you used to say their organization belongs to the military and they only kill terrorists.
Angel? Again in my article I did not present Iran or any other power in the region as angels. It talked primarily about the nation of Iraq and the people of Iraq interms of the choices they have given the SOFA. The only point I picked was about PEJAK and PKK to which you decide to blow your trumpet that I am presenting Iran as being an angel. Whether you like it or not, the fact remains about PEJAK.
As for the killing of intellectuals in Turkey by Hizbollah. Why would they admit such a thing? Go to south east Turkey and ask anyone on the street. They’ll tell you.
This is where you lack information at all regarding Hizbullah. The whole network of Hizbullah is based so that they only work primarily in Lebanon and work for interests which they have in Lebanon. For them to commit assissinations in Turkey would not serve their interest at all.
And the reason why they would admit it is because if they have a hand in any sort of activity beyond their borders they do claim responsibility for it.
I remember when I was in South America, people there were talking about how there is an org there which proivdes recurits to Hizbullah in Lebanon when infact the true reality is that Hizbullah do not even take fighters out of Lebanon, not even from Iran hence your claim that they would send their personnels to kill in Turkey sounds very far-fetched to me and certainly if you do not have any evidence of it then what am I to believe? The fact that Hizbullah only operate in Lebanon which I know personally or your claim.
Anyways I like how you have avoided all the questions I put forward to you.
Regards
Ya Baqiyatullah
Ya_Baqiyatullah, please spare us the “peace” bull****. So typical of an Iranian agent to talk peace when he/she is so busy supporting the suppression of the Kurdish people in Iran through these nonsense posts.
And let me spare Mizgin’s time so she doesn’t have to waste it on your silly comments and claims. I will respond.
So I am a racist? Do please show me where have I made a racist remark?
As for the mother language issue, tell me why in the world other countries do not give the freedom to be educated in the mother languages? Iraqis born in UK have to adhere to the English language, Algerians born in France have to adhere to the french language so what are you really implying with the mother tongue? Are there schools in France which teach exclusively in Algerian language? No there are none which are comprehensively Algerian.
If the mother language issue makes one racist then I guess all the countries which force other nationals to be educated in their national language are racists too.
You do not need to bluntly make a racist remark when you are so adament in defending the actions of a racist and ugly regime like the IRI. The IRI and the Monarchy that preceded it always favored Persian language, culture, and heritage far more than any other group in Iran. And anytime one of us Kurds complained about it, we got the punishment and it’s pathetic goons like yourself who support such punishments.
(I apologize VS, for what seem like insults, but I’m a Kurd from “Iran” and I take offense to every despicable comment made by this person as I have had to suffer the oppression he/she denies under these regimes, as have my family members)
Yes, mother language is an issue but it goes far beyond that. Show me one Kurdish University in this so-called territory called Iran that teaches in the Kurdish tongue and/or teaches Kurdish history. Despite the Kurds being the indiginous people of this region with a number totalling 6 to 9 million (we still can’t get an official number since your government refuses to allow a real census), we are not even granted our most basic rights of language and free education. (Yes, Kurds are indigenous to the region, so please don’t compare Iraqis born in the UK… that simply makes no sense whatsoever… but that is your tactic of argument: to divert readers from the truth of your ugly regimes.)
You could not be more wrong in your observation. I do not rely on the works of others to write mine since most of my articles are based on the information I have accumulated from my travels and from other people on the ground in different countries.
So are you the only credible person here? When we speak truth about the situation of Kurds in Iran, you say that we are citing US sources and we are not credible.
News for you: I personally do not need you to travel to places that *I* come from for you to tell me that the oppression *I’ve* suffered does not exist.
Like I said before, it goes far beyond cultural issues. The Kurdish and Balochi regions are statistically the most impoverished regions in all of Iran. This is not an accident but the intentional promise of the Iranian regimes that have occupied our lands for as long as we can remember. There are a number of tragedies inflicted by your government that I have seen with my own eyes.
VS – If you want to learn about the Kurds in Iran, you can start by looking to the 200 Kurdish journalists/activists that are currently in prison for speaking out for Kurdish and Women’s rights against the regime. If you want to learn, you can look to the several of the 200 who are currently on death row including the possible death sentence against the Kurdish activist, Ronak Safarzadeh. I would say the Iranian regime is even better than the Turkish regime at slapping all sorts of charges against people, mostly bogus separatism charges.
It’s pathetic, disgusting, and racist (yes, racist), that this person denies the brutal actions of the Ayatollah Murderer Khomeini who initiated a Jihad against Kurds, referring to them as “children of the jinn (devils)” when he took power. I don’t need to cite Western or Eastern sources, Ya_Baqiyatullah, because my family members were among victims of this vicious so-called holy war that your idol initiated against the Kurds.
These are facts and realities that you can try to deny all you want and wish. But the fact is truth and reality will and is coming back to haunt people like yourself who so pathetically defend the actions of a brutal regime like the IRI. Have you ever thought of looking into the argument as to WHY Kurds in Iran have been fighting Iran (and not just Iran, the nation-state, but the preceding Empires) for centuries? If we are so happy like Aryan Nationalists like yourself love to claim, then why have we been resisting for so long?
Secondly, if Iran has been bombing South Kurdistan, something which I highly doubt, it would not require the permission of US.
It does not need the permission, but their intelligence sure does help. Get out of your little bubble of nationalism and do a little research. It was reported by even Turkish sources that intelligence gather from the US by Turkey was shared with Iran. And it is more hilarious that you “doubt” that Iran is bombing South Kurdistan. Even one of the formal Iranian generals admitted to this. Get out of your bubble.
By the way VS, to answer your question…
Both Dr. Dr Abdul Rahman Ghassemlou and Dr. Sadegh Sharafkandi – two Kurdish leaders of the Kurdistan Democratic Party of Iran – demanded (and I quote) “Autonomy for Kurdistan and Democracy for Iran”.
Meaning they were very much ready to negotiate peace with Kurdistan remaining part of Iran, as long as it meant some sort of federal structure in order to eliminate the discrimination on cultural, social, economic, and political levels.
And the answer of the Iranian Regime? The IRI sent assassins to Austria (1989) to kill Dr. Ghassemlou and to Germany (1992) to kill Dr. Sharafkandi.
The German court convicted 4 Iranians for the murder and discovered that the order for assassination came from the “highest state levels” in Iran’s capital.”
…something I’m sure Ya_Baqiyatullah will try again to deny.
@EVERYBOODY HERE:
==>>POINT OF ORDER<<==
Listen up, friends. I understand that we are talking about painful issues here and that many tears and blood were shed over them. Still, there is a time for everything, a time for struggle and a time for discussion.
Frankly, no matter how you feel about the issue we are discussing or about Ya_Baqiyatullah’s views, there can be NO EXCUSE for insults or personal attacks against him. None whatsoever.
Need I remind you that I was the one who offered Mizgin a free platform to express her views. If you don’t remember check here:
http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/2007/07/saker-interviews-mizgn-from-kurdistan.html
And Mizgin kindly thanked me for this and uses this interview (along with her comments) on her own blog as an intro to the Kurdish issue.
When you insult Ya_Baqiyatullah’ you also insult me, as I am the one who asked him to write for my blog. He is a guest in this blog and, as would be with any other guest, he is not to be insulted by anyone.
Besides, insults weaken your case.
It is rude and crude to discuss his ethnicity or whether he, or anyone else, should do about Pakistan, India or Kashmir.
I plead with you to please refrain from such remarks. I understand that your vehemence is triggered by the suffering of people you love and care for, but again – this is a blog and not a battlefield.
Thank you.
The Saker
Peace,
And the answer of the Iranian Regime? The IRI sent assassins to Austria (1989) to kill Dr. Ghassemlou and to Germany (1992) to kill Dr. Sharafkandi.
The German court convicted 4 Iranians for the murder and discovered that the order for assassination came from the “highest state levels” in Iran’s capital.”
…something I’m sure Ya_Baqiyatullah will try again to deny.
If you notice in the link I provided regarding brief history about Kurds in that it mentions that Iran was responsible for the killings of these personnels. However it never specified who ordered it hence I asked provide a reference which highlights that the Governemnt did call this hit. I did not deny anything, there is a difference in denying and there is a difference in getting to the source of the matter by questioning.
Yes, mother language is an issue but it goes far beyond that. Show me one Kurdish University in this so-called territory called Iran that teaches in the Kurdish tongue and/or teaches Kurdish history. Despite the Kurds being the indiginous people of this region with a number totalling 6 to 9 million (we still can’t get an official number since your government refuses to allow a real census), we are not even granted our most basic rights of language and free education. (Yes, Kurds are indigenous to the region, so please don’t compare Iraqis born in the UK… that simply makes no sense whatsoever… but that is your tactic of argument: to divert readers from the truth of your ugly regimes.)
I already stated that there are schools in the Kurdish populated areas which are specifically for the Kurds, I speak from visiting them this summer. If you want then I will even provide more details to you about it. I have never defended anything that is racist, but I am not going to deny something which I have seen myself either. There is progress in dealing with the problems that you have raised.
So are you the only credible person here? When we speak truth about the situation of Kurds in Iran, you say that we are citing US sources and we are not credible.
News for you: I personally do not need you to travel to places that *I* come from for you to tell me that the oppression *I’ve* suffered does not exist.
My information about the Kurds in Iran is from the Kurds who have lived there and are now currently in UK either working or studying. I travelled with them just last Summer to the Kurd populated areas to see everything first hand. I do not make these things up nor do I rely on the media for this stuff, it is seen first hand not just by me but also these people.
Here is news for you: I was told by these very people about the things you have stated and no I do not justify these actions but when there is progress regarding these issues then I would talk about this progress rather than attack and be negative. These Kurd friends of mine have a history of suffering from the Iranian Government on many occasions but they put that aside and work to strengthen the future and know that at least the next generation of kids are able to have a better future in Iran.
If you notice I already stated there are bad apples everywhere, no country is angelic.
It’s pathetic, disgusting, and racist (yes, racist), that this person denies the brutal actions of the Ayatollah Murderer Khomeini who initiated a Jihad against Kurds, referring to them as “children of the jinn (devils)” when he took power. I don’t need to cite Western or Eastern sources, Ya_Baqiyatullah, because my family members were among victims of this vicious so-called holy war that your idol initiated against the Kurds.
Why dont you bring me one proof that Ayatollah Khomeini initiated a war against the Kurds? Something from his own speeches, his memoirs anything go ahead. You must know Farsi so this should not be hard. Go ahead prove to me that he called for this. .
These are facts and realities that you can try to deny all you want and wish. But the fact is truth and reality will and is coming back to haunt people like yourself who so pathetically defend the actions of a brutal regime like the IRI. Have you ever thought of looking into the argument as to WHY Kurds in Iran have been fighting Iran (and not just Iran, the nation-state, but the preceding Empires) for centuries? If we are so happy like Aryan Nationalists like yourself love to claim, then why have we been resisting for so long?
Kurds have been fighting against Iranians, Arabs the whole lot. As I said previously it is not just because of injustices against them that has caused them to fight there is much more. You are concluding like the previous commentor that this issue is based on just the injustices.
What about the possibility that these fights are to gain independence and be one nation Kurdistan again from these Governments?
It does not need the permission, but their intelligence sure does help. Get out of your little bubble of nationalism and do a little research. It was reported by even Turkish sources that intelligence gather from the US by Turkey was shared with Iran. And it is more hilarious that you “doubt” that Iran is bombing South Kurdistan. Even one of the formal Iranian generals admitted to this. Get out of your bubble.
Do present the link to this General admitting this please? As far as my knowledge goes regarding this, the Iranian Governemnt has not admitted about any intel coming to them from Turkey or US.
Lastly, amongst the Iranian Kurds not everyone holds the opinion you have and not everyone holds the opinion I have. There is big variety of opinions amongst them.
Regards
Ya Baqiyatullah
My apologies VS. However, I’m afraid you have made your blog a platform for a liar by allowing this person to publish his article. They are painful issues indeed VS. Imagine losing a line of your family who never embraced the gun but were murdered simply for their pen, and then someone like this denying it could ever happen.
Ya Baqiyatullah, just as you haven’t provided any proof of anything you claim, neither am I obligated to provide you anything. You base your so-called facts on people you know while I base mine on my own experiences in Iranian-occupied Kurdistan.
Terrorist Khomeinei’s “Jihad” against the Kurds in Iran is well-known. You are either in denial or don’t know your country’s own history.
And you need proof of Iranian attacks on S. Kurdistan… you have access to Google right? Here’s an idea for you: Use it.
@janro: I’m afraid you have made your blog a platform for a liar by allowing this person to publish his article.
Have you ever considered that Ya Baqiyatullah might be *mistaken*? Or mis-informed? Or acting on his own family tragedies?
I have had people in my family killed, boiled alive, summarily executed and jailed for decades in horrible conditions by Communists. I was raised as a rabid anti-Communist of course, until one day I met real communists and guess what? They were humans, just like me. Sounds trite, but it is important, at least to me. I never shared their ideas, I always argued with them, but I realize one crucial thing: while I disliked their ideas, I did not dislike them.
My blog is a place for ideas, not real humans. I use a rather silly pseudonym (and so do Ya Baqiyatullah and many others) and who were are does not matter. What matters and what you should firmly oppose are Ya Baqiyatullah’s views, ideas, beliefs, Just set aside the person expressing them who might well turn out to be somebody you would like very much if you met him personally.
Does what I say make sense to you?
Here are a few facts from the Iranian Constitution which relate to the discussion at hand.
Article 15 states that the “Official language (of Iran)… is Farsi…[and]… the use of regional and tribal languages in the press and mass media, as well as for teaching of their literature in schools, is allowed in addition to Farsi. .”
The national TV broadcast is in Kurdish as well as the papers are in Kurdish along with radio broadcast in relation to the areas being talked about here.
Kurds in Iran do not support any one political party per say. Many of them are a-political. The commentators here are those who back parties such as PEJAK. PEJAK is solely a CIA based project in Iran. It has no history of political activities in Iran. The parties that exist are Komala (communists) and PDK-I (largely defunct and divided into several branches fighting eachother) and PEJAK (CIA-funded terrorist group that has ceased its operations at the moment. Komala wants to establish a communist state, PDK-I wants to establish a pan-Iranian federation and PEJAK is basically a terrorist state.
The crux of the matter is that the grievences of the Kurdish people in Iran is socio-economical rather than political. They live in a poor striken region with little facilities, that is something which is an issue in Iran for many other minorities.
It is important to understand that Kurds are not a monolithic group as it is made out by the Kurdish nationalists. Kurdish as a language is a sub branch of Iranian languages covering Kormanji, Sorani, Feyli, Zazaki and some other languages. These languages are not mutually intelligible i.e. they cannot even understand eachother. The Feyli kurds are Twelver Shi’is, who make up 40% of Kurds in Iran. They are different from the Kurds in Northern Iraq, which speak mainly Sorani and are Sunnis.
Kurds have always had a place in the Government in Iran be it directly in the Government or in the parliament. 20 or so members make up the Kurdish fraction which looks after the kurdish affairs in the country.
So in the end, no I do not think ‘Ya Baqiyatullah’ is lying or being racist as it is being made out. He has given what is the reality to him after his research first hand.
VS thank you for providing this oppurtunity to the guest ‘Ya Baqiyatullah’.
P.S Interesting reports from the last few days regarding the PJAK.
– http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htwin/articles/20081113.aspx
– http://www.kurdishglobe.net/displayArticle.jsp?id=F96BA5298185100079FDA34D1693E6A4
Why PJAK fights:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HezeRLvyhMw
(Iranian police beating a Kurdish youth on the streets)
Difficult Times for Kurdish Students in Iran
In the past few days and through different sources we have received very troubling news in regards to the oppression of Kurdish students in Iran. Currently at least one student Mr. Habiblollah Lotfi who is a student at the “Payame Nour” University has been sentenced to death.
Further from “Razi” University in Kermanshah Mr. Sattar Parvizi has been sentenced to 16 years of imprisonment, Mr. Khabat Yousefi to 13 years of imprisonment and Mr. Hosseing Rahmani to 6 years of imprisonment.
In further disturbing news the Revolutionary Court in the City of Sanandaj sentenced Mr. Yaser Goli to 10 years of imprisonment. Mr. Goli is a student at a private university in the City of Sanandaj. Mr. Goli is also a social work Major, the president of The “Democratic Organization of Kurdish Students in Iran.” He is also an editor for a Farsi Kurdish Student newsletter in the University of Sanandaj.
Further the 3 year prison sentence agasint Mr. Khazur Rasoulmorut has been confirmed by the Islamic Revolutionary Court of Appeal. Mr. Morut was a literature major in the University of Sanandaj, he resided in the village of “Talavo” where the residents are mostly of Kurdish ethnicity. Mr. Mourt also taught Kurdish language.
Also news received from the Evin Prison indicates that two Kurdish students Mr. Sabah Nasri and Mr. Hedayat Ghazali were taken to solitary cells and have been subjected to continuous interrogation for the past 20 days. The reason behind this is their involvement in a hunger strike.
The arrest of Kurdish Students also continues. A student named Varya Moruti was arrested in the city of Sanandaj and take to an unknown location. Mr. Moruti is a 25 year old student at “Payame Nour” University. He is also a member of a group called “Jiyareveh”. He was arrested at his home.
Two other Kurdish students Mr. Pejman Zafari and Mr. Peyman Hosseini who had been arrested a few months ago were released on a 30 million toman bail.
Currently there are at least 15 Kurdish students in Islamic Regime Prisons. These individuals are:
* 1. Habbibollah Lotfi- death sentence
* 2. Yaser Goli- 10 years imprisonment
* 3. Sattar Parvizi- 16 years imprisonment
* 4. Khebat Yousefi- 13 years imprisonment
* 5. Hossein Rahmani- 6 years imprisonment
* 6. Sabah Nasri- Originally sentenced to 2 years, court of appeal reduced it to 1.5 years
* 7. Hedayat Ghazali- Originally sentenced to 2 years, court of appeal reduced it to 1.5 years.
* 8. Khodro Rasoul Morut- 3 years imprisonment
* 9. Jamal Rahmani- 6 years imprisonment
* 10. Amir Reza Ardalan- Originally sentenced to 1 year imprisonment, court of appeal reduced it to 6 months.
* 11. Rashid Abdollahi- 3 years imprisonment.
* 12. Ms. Hanna Abdi-Originally sentenced to 5 years imprisonment, it was reduced to 1.5 years.
* 13. Ms. Ronak Safarzadeh- She is in custody, no conviction or sentencing as of yet.
* 14. Siyvan Farokhnejad- In custody, no conviction or sentence as of yet
* 15. Varya Moruti- In custody, no conviction or sentence as of yet.
The following news report was recieved by the organizers of Berxodan, Zendan va Mobareze. Translated by Iranian Activist, Sayeh Hassan
AKR: Turkish and Iranian bombardments on Iraqi Kurdistan destroy more villages
Alliance for Kurdish Rights (AKR) is concerned for the well-being and safety of civilians in the Kurdistan Federal Region in Iraq after months of heavy bombardments by the Turkish and Iranian militaries. On May 4th, 2008, the LA Times reported the destruction of another border village town, Rezga, as a result of cross-border airstrikes and artillery by the Turkish military.
An estimated 200 families are living in tents 35 miles outside of Rezga in dire and unsafe living conditions as a result of the bombardments. These families have no where to go and are unable to return to their villages despite the fact that they have no involvement in the conflict between the Turkish military and Kurdish rebels.
Owaz Jamal, a mother and former resident of Rezga, told the LA Times, “Having our homes destroyed, and being on the run, has become part of our lives.”
On May 20th, 2008, the Agence France-Presse reported that over 20 villages in the Bashdar region northeast of Silemani have been bombed by the Iranian military. As a result of these bombardments, over 120 families have been forced to leave their homes.
According to a statement released through Voices of Iraq (VOI), “Rizka, Mardo, Shinawa, Sorkola, Sordi, Arka, Basta, Toutmi, were the most targeted villages in the Qandeel Mountains.” Villages have reportedly been bombed by the Iranian and Turkish militaries without any prior proper warnings for civilians to evacuate the regions.
The report also says that the number of civilian casualties are unknown. This is likely due to the fact that proper investigations have been crippled by a media embargo reportedly placed against the region by the Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG). According to several reports beginning last November (2007), most notably from Reuters, the KRG banned journalists from entering the region after claiming that the media had been “aggravating the crisis with Turkey.”
Unfortunately, these actions have not only failed to reduce the bombings against the region but they have also allowed the Iranian and Turkish militaries to carry out their operations without any accountability for civilian casualties.
Despite such conditions, the United Nations and members of the International Community have failed to take any proper action to stop the bombardments. According to several reports, the Kurdistan Regional Government has taken some steps by asking the United Nations to help stop the bombing of border villages. So far, there has been no signal of a response by the U.N. regarding these events.
Ahmed, Asso. “Kurds dispute toll in Turkey’s airstrikes in Iraq.” LA Times. 4 May 08. Accessed: 29 May 08. http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-kurds4-2008may04,0,1435050.story
Aqrawi, Shamal. “Iraq’s Kurdistan bans media from going to PKK bases.” Reuters. 19 Nov 07. Accessed 29 May 08. http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSRYA920438
“Iran shells border villages in Kurdistan”. Agence France-Presse (AFP). 20 May 08. Accessed: 29 May 08. http://www.kurdishglobe.net/displayArticle.jsp?id=FF19C73F723FA123DD108A41182CE685>
“Iraqi Kurd leader calls for end to bombing.” United Press International. 20 May 08. Accessed: 29 May 08. http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Top_News/2008/05/20/iraqi_kurd_leader_calls_for_end_to_bombing/2284/
In Iran, a Kurdish Youth is shot by Security Forces and left to die
Special Report from Kurdish Aspect:
A Kurdish Youth is shot by Iranian Security Forces and is left to die bleeding
A disturbing video has appeared on Youtube of Iranian Pasdarans of the Islamic Republic [Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC)] wrapping the body of an alive Kurdish teenager at a remote location in Piranshar in Iranian Kurdistan. Rostam, the 15-year-old Kurdish youth was killed by Iranian Pasdarans of Islamic Republic and the clip shows the youth still alive as Iranian Pasdarans wrap his body then make away with casual conversations.
As revealed by the video, a member of the Iranian Security Forces says, “He is alive, he’s not dead”, but the gunmen in uniform do not take any action to help the youth. The Pasdarans do not only call for any medical help and also do not attempt to take any action to save the youth’s life.
Later in the video, one of solders says, “Let him die” and they leave the body where they place it not distance from the place where he laid bleeding to death..
The Pasdarans appear to be asking one another in the video whether the youth is a Kurdish rebel but they seem unsure. According to several local sources, when the Iranian Security Forces shot him to death, Rostam was riding by horse. Several said Rostam was not smuggler nor had he done anything to threaten the national security of Iran.
Despite these claims, witnesses say the Iranian Security Forces of Iran continuously shoot and kill Kurdish people in Kurdistan like Rostam everyday near the border. None of these types of murders near the border have never been examined by the Iranian courts.
Instead, as many claim, the killers are generally promoted for their crimes. Such appraisals of these murders have encouraged Security Forces to use guns against innocent people in Kurdistan.
Kurds Imprisoned by the Islamic Republic for Protesting
On Tuesday, March 25th, 2008, the Islamic Republic’s revolutionary court sentenced 7 Kurdish detainees to 3 years imprisonment in the city of Baneh, located in the Iranian Kurdistan region, for their participation in general demonstrations throughout Iranian Kurdistan in 2005 as reported to KurdishMedia.com by the communiqué, which is issued by the Kurdistan Democratic Party –Iran or KDPI.
Mr. Sadiq Amin Nejad, Saman Rasoulian, Abdollah Ranjbari, Kaveh Hassani, Mohammad Bahrami, Rastgar Mesgari and Mohamad Amin Ghaderi were sentenced to various imprisonment terms for participating in demonstrations against the Islamic Republic, the communiqué stated.
According to Amnesty International, hundreds more were arrested throughout Iranian Kurdistan in the cities of Mahabad, Sanandaj, Kermanshah, Orumieh, Baneh, Shino and Maku just to name a few for simply participating in peaceful protests against the government. Security forces reportedly used light and heavy weaponry in response to the demonstrations. Up to 20 people were reportedly killed and hundreds more injured. The report also mentions that hundreds of Iranian forces were sent into the cities to attack the crowds and helicopter gunships fired at the crowds causing dozens of deaths.
“They acted against National Security, disturbed general order and participated in covert meeting,” according to their verdict. The communiqué reports that the victims are condemned to one year communion jail and two years unconditional jail. They have been held under captivity since their detainment following the demonstration in April of 2005.
The protests started after Iranian Security Forces killed Sayed Kamal Astam (aka Shivan Qaderi), who was the leader of a Kurdish youth organization that organized a celebration/demonstration when Kurdish leader, Jalal Talabani, was elected President of Iraq. The purpose of the celebration was to ask the Iranian government to allow Kurds to participate in high-ranking positions in Iran and to give them federal autonomy inside Iran, similar to that of the Kurds in Northern Iraq, as the government restricts cultural and political activities that stress the Kurdish language and identity. The Iranian Forces arrested Shivan and tied him to a truck and dragged his body around the streets of Mahabad for several hours until he died as a warning to the other Kurdish rights activists. After this event, photos of Shivan’s body began circulating the internet and people began pouring into the streets of Iranian Kurdistan demanding more rights for Kurds as well as justice for Shivan’s family. Amnesty International reports that recently, family and friends of Shivan have been beaten for simply attempting to visit his gravesite.
Iranian security responded by arresting hundreds and killing dozens. To this day, many are still being held without even having gone to trial. The Iranian government has tortured many journalists and editors of Kurdish newspapers on the grounds that their coverage of events in Iraqi Kurdistan was aimed at instigating separatist ambitions among Iranian Kurds. One of which is the torture of Dr. Roya Toloyee, a Kurdish women’s rights activist and head of the Rasan (”Rising”) newspaper in Sine who was tortured and raped for 66 days for alleged involvement in the organization of peaceful protests throughout Kurdistan province before being released on bail and eventually escaped Iran. Likewise, according to a report by the Human Rights Watch, just last month a Kurdish teacher by the name of Kamangar was sentenced to death for “endangering national security.” The prosecution claimed that Kamangar is a member of the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK). According to Kamangar’s lawyer, this trial violated the Iranian legal requirements that such cases must be tried publicly and in the presence of a jury. He also told Human Rights Watch that court officials ridiculed his requests that they follow mandated legal procedures.
In Iran, membership of any non-governmental political party could be punishable by persecution, imprisonment and even death. Unfortunately, the oppression faced by Kurds in Iranian Kurdistan today is not a new phenomenon. The Islamic Republic has very little patience for Kurdish demands and much too often opts for crushing unrest through military means. On August 17th 1979, Ayatollah Khomeini declared holy war against the Kurds, entire villages and towns were destroyed to force Kurds into submission. The Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps fought to reestablish government control in the Kurdish regions, as a result more than 10,000 Kurds were killed. The Kurds are among Iran’s largest ethnic minority groups, and number around 10% of the population. They mainly live in the province of Kordistan and neighboring provinces bordering Turkey and Iraq.
http://asiapacific.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGMDE130432005?open&of=ENG-IRN
http://www.kurdmedia.com/article.aspx?id=14685
http://data1.blog.de/blog/e/eastkurd/img/65.jpg
http://asiapacific.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGMDE130102006?open&of=ENG-2MD
http://asiapacific.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGMDE130802006?open&of=ENG-IRN
http://hrw.org/english/docs/2008/02/27/iran18155.htm
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2267/is_1_70/ai_102140955
Iran General confirms bombings against Iraqi Kurdistan:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2007-09-25-iran-iraq_N.htm
Amnesty International, July 2008 Report
IRAN:
HUMAN RIGHTS
ABUSES AGAINST THE
KURDISH MINORITY
Religion and culture
Shi’as are encouraged and supported by the state. There is not a single Sunni
mosque in Tehran and, according to reports; the government has restricted the
expansion of Sunni mosques that exist elsewhere in the country.
The discriminatory attitude towards Sunnis extends to children’s education – UNICEF
found as long ago as 1998 that the only two rural secondary schools in Kordestan
were located in the Shi’a towns of Ghorveh and Bijar.
Sunni Kurdish clerics have, on occasion, suffered human rights violations. In January
2008, for example, a cleric, Ayoub Ganji, went missing for 13 days after delivering a
Friday prayer sermon at the Qoba Mosque in Sanandaj [Kurdish capital city]. Protesters reportedly gathered
near state buildings following his enforced disappearance and said there would be
more demonstrations unless news of the cleric was made known. On 8 February
Ayoub Ganji was released from detention, reportedly suffering what appeared to be
the effects of extreme trauma, including failure to recognize his wife and son, and
crying out as if he was being harmed.
Other religious groups include the mainly Kurdish Ahl-e Haq, most of whose members
live in Kermanshah and in or around the big cities. Their faith, which shares aspects
of Islam’s tenets, embodies Kurdish religious identity. The Ahl-e Haq are not
recognized under Iranian law and their rituals are prohibited. They are also banned
from discussing their faith with the media.
In recent years senior state officials have required school heads to report whether
there are any members of “subversive sects” (feragh-e zalleh) among staff or students
and reminded the heads that “any activity and propaganda is forbidden” by members
of these groups (see Appendices I and II).
In October 2007, for instance, the authorities in Kermanshah wrote to district
governors:
“Following instructions issued by the Ministry of Interior… regarding the
activities of the Ahl-e Haq in respect to the construction of their Assembly
Houses [you are reminded that] these establishments have no legal or
canonical basis, therefore please refrain from any correspondence and
communication with any public authority concerning them and from issuing
any permission that they should be built…” (see Appendix III for full
document).
Irrespective of their religion,
CULTURAL RESTRICTIONS
Kurds are not allowed to give their children certain
names, including for boys Soran (the name of the language), Khabat (struggle), Rizgar (Free) and Âla (flag); and for girls Ajin (equal) and Fermisk (tear). Every
registry office has a list of permitted names; a birth certificate is not issued unless
the family consents to using an authorized name.
Iran’s international obligations require that the country’s “… religious or linguistic
minorities… enjoy their own culture [and have the right] to profess and practice their
own religion…”
EDUCATION [and LANGUAGE]
Iran’s Constitution states that the official language and script of Iran is Persian,
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and
that official documents and text books must be in this language. Despite this, the use
of regional and tribal languages in the press and mass media, as well as for teaching
regional and tribal literature in schools, is allowed in addition to Persian.
However, no permanent measures have been introduced in Iran’s education system to
facilitate teaching in minority languages, nor to teach such languages as a second
language – even though such provisions are included in Iran’s Constitution and
international standards.
According to the Ministry of Education, state schooling is free and compulsory at the
primary and middle (“guidance”) stages
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and teaching is carried out in Persian at all
levels. In bilingual regions, a one-month course is held to teach key concepts,
including Persian, to beginners, before the school year starts.”
None of the non-profit-making private schools, which have been allowed since 1988
and are under the supervision of the Education Ministry, is known to have taught in
Kurdish for any lasting period.
In February 2008 human rights activists told Amnesty International that in the
preceding month at least three directors of pre-school childcare facilities in
Kordestan province had been summoned to the security adviser’s office of the
regional governorate on grounds that they had permitted the teaching of “a non-
national language”. A non-governmental organisation, Soma, which had used Kurdish
for three years in pre-schools it operated in Sanandaj and Mahabad, was reportedly
closed by the authorities in late 2007 or early 2008, along with its facilities. Others
were threatened that their licences would be revoked.
Kurds have staged many campaigns related to their education. On 20 February 2007,
for example, Kurdish students held an event at Tehran University’s Department of
Literature, during which they called for the teaching of Kurdish in Iran’s education
system, including at the University of Sanandaj.
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The event closed with a statement
which declared, in part, “As everyone knows, language is one of the most
fundamental aspects of a nation’s being. Language conveys thoughts, culture and
[…]. In today’s multicultural climate in the world, based on the Universal Declaration
of Human Rights and other humanitarian principles, every nation should have a right
to develop and advance its language. Everyone agrees that every language could play
a part in the process of human civilization.” This event, too, resulted in some of the
organisers and participants being arrested and subjected to long term detention.
Amnesty International believes that state authorities should take positive measures so
that, wherever possible, members of minority communities have adequate
opportunities to learn their mother tongue or to have instruction in their mother
tongue, as well as to learn the official language; and to encourage knowledge of the
language and culture of the minorities in their territory.
AI Index: MDE 13/088/2008
This whole thing is real odd. Ironically, same strategy is there when Turks have been saying broadcast in Kurdish is free and Kurds have equal rights and and and and and. I knew Turkey, Syria, Iran, and other Arabic countries playes well together wen it comes to annihilating Kurds but I didn’t know the “misinformation” game was so well-coordinated. The problem is, Kurds are opressed by the wonderful Iranian regime (Kurdish is not practiced freely. Question to baqi: How many Kurdish Language Departments are there in all Iranian Universities? Same question goes for Turkish Universities). I am sure he knows the answer as he seems to know those places from individuals who spent most of their lives there.
His comment was interesting about Kurds possibly uniting for an independent country. I am sure he would support palestine being a country. When it comes to Kurds that’s a no-no. Double standard, isn’t it? Ah but yeah. Indians and Paki’s are way different. Kurds and Turks and Iranians and Arabs are all the same. No difference. Right? (This is a joke so feel free to laugh)
So, baqi says because the opressors are stronger militarily they should rule over Kurdish lands. Well then stop complaining about US invasion. Read the history comment is probably more suitable for you, Baqi.
Ah, kurds made the grave mistake of being true to the basic principles of so called Islamic brotherhood. Saladdin, what have you done?! Most still are, perhaps they will wake up!
To the person who says kurds are not unified. Yeah, we have some bad apples too. But here is one interesting fact for you. Our Jash are not really useful people anyway. Have them as you wish. Sadly enough your regimes never ever truly treat them as one of theirs anyway. Ironic justice, perhaps.
Baqi you see, I lost a lot of loved ones. Killed for nothing. And no, they were not Pejak either. But you will say one bad apple and this and that. It’s the regime. You see, for some reason the security forces is full of bad apples and the justice system somehow protects them. They are always regimes “good boys”. Has it ever occurred to you that PERHAPS that’s why Kurds may want their own country??? Obviously Islam couldn’t make us brothers (heck, Islam couldn’t make Shia brother with Sunni). Any other suggestion?
VS: if Baqi can talk about controversial regional/ethnical issues regarding other peoples and countries, it’s fair game to talk to him about his country/issues. As he is siding with the opressor, it’s fair to have him take a look at his own realities.
Iraians seem to make sure there is equality among Kurds: bullets for every kurd.
“Security forces killed a 4 year old Kurdish boy”
http://www.kurdmedia.com/article.aspx?id=15213
WHAT justification can there be for this? Will Iran be true to its own law and try to hand the bastard who shot the boy? We shall see.
The way that these Kurdish right defenders talk about Iran reminds me so much of Iraqi Baathists, who while they constantly demonize Iran and its leaders, they ironically continue to hold to an almost saintly position, the late extremely paranoid dictator Saddam Hussein. For the record, I never supported the illegal attack, invasion, and occupation of Iraq even though I personally detested Saddam.
While the Iraqi Baathists and these Kurdish right defenders like to incessantly point to an alleged U.S./Israel/Iranian/Hezbollah collusion, they speak nothing of the more open and obvious over the years Kurdish, Turkish, and Arab collusions with Israel and the U.S. They stubbornly refuse to believe that it is very likely Iran benefited without having been in collusion with the U.S., by taking advantage of the very stupid illegal invasion of Iraq by the Neocon Bush adminstration which toppled the anti-Persian Saddam dictatorship (which by the way, the Kurds of Iraq fully supported). And previous to this, the U.S. invasion of Iran’s neighbor Afghanistan which led to the disposal of the Taliban government that had been strongly anti-Shia Iran. And what was the excuse that lead to all of this?
9/11 where 15 of the 19 alleged hijackers were Saudi Arabian. Yet the axis of evil countries in the region were Iraq along with Syria and Iran. Now what does this tell us about who is collaborating with the U.S. and Israel?
To these paranoid thinking people, it has to be an undercover U.S./Iranian conspiracy against the Arabs and Kurds as there is no way it can be anything else.
I think that the Kurdish and Iraqi Baathist activists who go to blogs and comment need to spend more time looking into their own Kurdish, Arab people’s closets before they start pointing the finger at Iran and Hezbollah. Why don’t you spend more time pointing the finger at the Sunni Arab dictators, the Turkish government, the Kurds in Iraq and their ongoing collusions with the U.S. and Israel, which have never helped the majority Sunni Palestinian cause. And which has left the Palestinian’s dispossessed from their lands and stateless. If it weren’t for the ongoing unified position of Syria, Iran, Hezbollah, and Hamas the complete uprooting and dispossession of the Palestinians would probably have been completed by now.
How do you think people like myself who hate injustice are ever going to understand and recognize the Kurdish people’s plight and rights, when Kurdish activists such as the ones here resort to hyperbolic accusations and demonizations rather than honestly educating us?
How are Kurds going to get any of the countries in which their people are divided up into, to respect the Kurdish people and their rights, if Kurds such as yourselves, who claim to represent your people, can’t even bring yourselves to acknowledge any good or show at least some respect for the countries in which your people are living? You can’t get respect unless you give respect, and that includes respecting the countries in which your people are a part of even if you believe that their rights are not being respected. You can’t get an honest account of your history if you do not give an honest account of the history of others.
What is it with those who are anti-Iranian resorting to what I would call false accusations about Hezbollah? I suspect that they may feel threatened and maybe even jealous of Hezbollah’s unifying popularity in the Middle East region, possibly because they have never been able to achieve the same kind of popularity.
I suspect that there is something more to the resentment of Iran and Hezbollah than what is expressed here. Might it also be linked to an underlying anti-Shia bias?
The last “anonymous” writer trying to equate Kurdish rights defenders with Ba’athists sounds like he sniffed one too many lines. Did he ignore everyone of the links/articles provided in proof of the oppression the Kurds are facing in Iran?
Well, here is another one:
Iran to try Kurdish singers on for “anti-government propaganda”
Washington, 19 November (IranVNC)—Two local Kurdish singers are to be tried in Iran for performing at the memorial service of a dissident singer.
By: IranVNC
Published: Thursday, November 20, 2008
00:12GMT—7:12PM/EST
TRIAL – SINGERS – KURDISH
Washington, 19 November (IranVNC)—Two local Kurdish singers are to be tried in Iran for performing at the memorial service of a dissident singer.
The prosecutor has described the act of singing by Ali Hosseini and Mohammad Zarifian at that memorial service, as “propaganda against the Islamic Republic”.
The memorial service was held during the fasting month of Ramadan before an audience of 300 villagers in Karizeh village in Saqqez county, Kurdistan Province, and the two singers were arrested by the forces of the Islamic Revolution Guards Corps after they performed a program of local Kurdish music, Amir Kabir University of Technology student newsletter reports.