by Jeff J. Brown for The Saker blog crosslinked with:
http://chinarising.puntopress.com/2018/03/24/west-attacks-chinas-social-credit-system-to-deflect-from-its-fascist-panopticon-china-rising-radio-sinoland-180325/
https://youtu.be/VKeBiK0Z-Xo
https://soundcloud.com/44-days/west-attacks-chinas-social-credit-system-to-deflect-from-its-fascist-panopticon-cr-radio-sinoland
Pictured above: the panopticon Illinois State Prison, in Joliet. For every Westerner out there, just look out your window. It’s even worse. Your every move, every communication and transaction, monetary and otherwise, is being tracked, recorded and stored by a faceless, multilayered, fascist corporate-government octopus. One-hundred-eighty degrees to the east in China, it’s all posted on the internet, TV and print media, for every citizen to follow and comment on, upon which Baba Beijing will respond in kind. Now, that’s what I call real, participatory democracy.
Western propaganda brilliantly and ceaselessly employs what is known as psychological reflection. This is a mental health term meaning that if you are guilty of being a pedophile or tax cheat, for example, you get on your soapbox about the evils of child molestation or fiscal crooks, respectively, while doing exactly that. Another great example is homophobia. Many homophobes, especially the most violent ones are repressed, closeted gays and lesbians, who internally loathe themselves.
Be it war, invasions, occupation, genocide, massacres, exterminations (http://chinarising.puntopress.com/2018/03/17/wilfred-burchett-explains-why-like-all-good-fascists-every-day-is-my-lai-for-americans-china-rising-radio-sinoland-180319/), the use of chemical and biological weapons (http://chinarising.puntopress.com/2018/03/12/noose-of-truth-is-tightening-around-milton-leitenberg-co-s-collective-neck-china-rising-radio-sinoland-180310/), institutionalized corruption, election fraud, pollution, CIA drug cartels, CIA organized crime (https://ganxy.com/i/113798/), ad nauseam, the West aggressively attacks all its enemies for being guilty of these and the rest of the world’s criminality, when in fact Eurangloland is the most brazen and bald faced Global Enemy #1 in every one of these categories, with the rest of humanity being its long-suffering victims.
Sadly, the West’s psychological reflection works so well that its endless tsunami of shameless lies and propaganda continues to win over the long term. Just look at how Eurangloland has completely perverted the opinions of the vast majority of the world’s people, at least those who do not live in communist-socialist countries, when it comes to Russia, the Russian people and its president, Vladimir Putin. Ditto Iran, Venezuela, North Korea (DPRK), Cuba, the Philippines and any other country (or its leader) that does allow itself to be a craven whore for capitalist empire.
The effectiveness of western psychological reflection in the mainstream media is so thorough, that people I know who should see through this withering fog of propaganda are completely brainwashed. I call it being behind the Great Western Firewall. Yet, most Westerners I know who live overseas are just as clueless, due to their innate sense of racial superiority (http://chinarising.puntopress.com/2017/11/10/all-the-chinese-people-want-is-respect-aretha-franklin-diplomacy-on-china-rising-radio-sinoland-171110/) and their unwillingness to look beyond CIA-MI6 CNN, New York Times, BBC, the Economist and all the other rubber stamp ventriloquist dummies that shill for their deep state masters. It is a demoralizing fact of life, something I passionately wrote about in Book #2 of The China Trilogy (http://chinarising.puntopress.com/2017/05/19/the-china-trilogy/), China Rising – Capitalist Roads, Socialist Destinations (https://ganxy.com/i/113798/).
Eurangloland’s owners are throwing everything they have trying to destroy Russia, Iran, Venezuela and DPRK (let’s call them the Fearless Four) and too many others to name. You may notice that three of these four countries are some of the biggest hydrocarbon producers in the solar system, and that’s what the West’s elites really want to do, is bring down their respective governments and install puppet Boris Yeltsin’s, to commence with the rape of their citizens and plunder of their natural resources. It’s called capitalism, if you haven’t already figured it out or have yet to reluctantly accept the truth.
After 500 years of global tyranny and dictatorship, cracks in Western empire’s game plan are starting to show. The Fearless Four keep exposing Westerners for the racist buffoons and ideological zealots that they are. Almost nothing is working as planned near home base Europe (Russia and Iran) and America (Venezuela) Even North Korea’s very astute Kim Jong-Un is besting the West on the diplomatic front (http://chinarising.puntopress.com/2017/08/28/why-dprk-will-n-e-v-e-r-stop-its-nuclear-arms-program-china-rising-radio-sinoland-170828/), having gotten Trump to agree to a joint summit (https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/03/trump-kim-jong-un/555323/).
How much worse can it get for Western empire? It must be time to bomb another country into the Middle Ages, or invade a small, helpless, poorly defended country full of dark skinned people. Like Iraq, how about Grenada II? That’ll keep the beer and popcorn flowing in front of Westerners’ 25%-interest-installment-plan-purchased widescreen TVs, for a week of Hunger Games bread and circuses.
Way out east, OMG, along comes Baba Beijing (China’s leadership) to really make a mess for Eurangloland (http://chinarising.puntopress.com/2017/11/23/china-tech-is-unstoppable-from-noodle-shops-to-outer-space-china-rising-radio-sinoland-171123/). It too continues to run circles around racist, greedy and let’s face it, incredibly hubristic Westerners, at least the deep state and its stooges who occupy positions of power in its “democratically elected” puppet governments (http://chinarising.puntopress.com/2017/10/25/how-can-western-capitalism-beat-this-thats-the-rub-it-cant-china-rising-radio-sinoland-171022/
Thus, the mainstream media Wehrmacht undoubtedly has on the boards to try to bring down Baba Beijing, but it is being held up. Why? Three’s company and the Fearless Four are already a crowd. You can only spread your resources of destruction and chaos so far. As any good fascist will tell you, the Big Lie means staying laser focused and relentlessly on-message. Given with how it’s currently playing out and knowing the ultimate goal is taking control of these Others’ human and natural resources, the propaganda tsunami against the Fearless Four is already reaching the point of diminishing marginal returns. Adding a fifth behemoth target like China (which is just as savvy and patient as the Fearless Four) has probably been deemed too much by the West’s owners.
Therefore, Baba Beijing has gotten off pretty lightly up to now, compared to the fascist Big Lie against the Fearless Four. But in the interim, that still doesn’t mean China gets off Scot-free. The CIA-MI6 mainstream media juggernaut sees a chink in China’s armor (sorry, I couldn’t resist the awful, off-color pun), with its rapidly developing (Chinese) Social Credit System (CSCS – http://chinarising.puntopress.com/2018/01/11/chinas-public-social-credit-system-versus-the-wests-secret-panopticon-china-rising-radio-sinoland-180111/).
Patrice Greanville, Editor-in-Chief of The Greanville Post (http://www.greanvillepost.com/) sent to Godfree Roberts and me a hatchet piece about CSCS (https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/china-banning-people-from-transit-for-bad-social-credit-scores/). It originally came from Reuters, a CIA-MI6 chop shop from way back (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-credit/china-to-bar-people-with-bad-social-credit-from-planes-trains-idUSKCN1GS10S). James Corbett has a rabid, irrational fear of all things China-socialism-communism, so he piled on (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6Buhli5MYk). Then Forbidden Knowledge ran with Corbett’s propaganda video, adding insult to injury.
Corbett is so cartoonishly bad about this subject, I even commented on it in China Rising – Capitalist Roads, Socialist Destinations (https://ganxy.com/i/113798/). It’s too bad, because otherwise he does some really good journalism. But then again, “liberal”, “progressive”, “alternative” journalists who have epileptic seizures at the mere whiff of China, socialism, communism or false flags (http://chinarising.puntopress.com/2017/05/06/a-us-government-lie-exposed-the-1995-oklahoma-city-bombing-china-rising-radio-sinoland-170505/) are a renminbi a thousand. It takes courage and conviction to look outside your own bigoted, ideological blinders to admit that there are different points of view and squirm-in-your-seats, smoking gun evidence.
I sometimes wonder if journos like this get PayPal hongbao (red envelopes full of money given during Chinese New Year) from Langley and Vauxhall Cross, to post anti-Chinese propaganda. Or, maybe they are just your plain vanilla, subconscious racists (http://chinarising.puntopress.com/2018/01/06/slavs-and-the-yellow-peril-are-niggers-brutes-and-beasts-in-the-eyes-of-western-empire-china-rising-radio-sinoland/). Forbidden Knowledge possibly didn’t notice it, but they allowed Godfree’s thoughtful and reasoned riposte to be published below their piece. If they nuke it, I have posted it below, safe for posterity.
In closing, here is a prime example of the difference between the West’s real life, fascist panopticon versus China’s open, honest and forthright Social Credit System. This month, China Central Television (CCTV) cooperated with Tencent Research (of Wechat fame) to do a national survey, talking to 8,000 citizens. The results were broadcast on CCTV, picked up by all the print and social media and it was the topic-of-the-country for a few days. Why? Because 76.3% of the respondents think that some kinds of artificial intelligence (AI) are a threat to their privacy (https://www.thestar.com.my/tech/tech-news/2018/03/06/the-increasing-use-of-artificial-intelligence-is-stoking-privacy-concerns-in-china/). As the world’s largest user of surveys and polls (I wrote a whole chapter on this in China Rising and here is an article that touches on it: http://chinarising.puntopress.com/2016/05/22/china-has-the-worlds-most-popular-government-for-a-reason-china-rising-radio-sinoland-160522/), I can guarantee you that the results of this poll and many others like it were/are put on President Xi Jinping’s desk, as well as in the hands of thousands of other decision makers in China’s government. Unlike the West, Baba Beijing and Chinese democracy are proactively responsive to the citizens’ concerns, hopes and aspirations (http://chinarising.puntopress.com/2017/11/30/do-you-see-what-i-see-depends-on-where-you-look-china-rising-radio-sinoland-171130/). Thousands of poll results are synthesized, analyzed and end up in laws passed and policies changed. China’s is real people’s participatory democracy, not the elitist, Potemkin Western version (http://chinarising.puntopress.com/2017/12/27/china-has-democracy-and-the-west-has-dictatorship-171227/).
Herewith is Godfree Robert’s comment about the Reuters/Corbett Report/Forbidden Knowledge fearmongering yarn about China’s SCS. It is a great combo with my aforementioned article on the same subject (http://chinarising.puntopress.com/2018/01/11/chinas-public-social-credit-system-versus-the-wests-secret-panopticon-china-rising-radio-sinoland-180111/).
I would like to preface Godfree by saying that in the CSCS, if you have substantial back taxes, delinquent loans, unpaid financial court settlements and the like, you can be banned from flying, or taking costlier highspeed trains here. They may even take your passport. The logic being, if you can afford to buzz all over the place, then why can’t you pay your debts? These are usually well-heeled citizens who have the assets to live the high life. They can always drive their (chauffeured) cars on China’s 131,000km of motorways, more than any other country in the world (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_road_network_size and http://chinarising.puntopress.com/2017/08/26/china-is-the-most-plugged-in-big-economy-in-the-world-china-rising-radio-sinoland-170824/). I have never heard of not being able to take the metro or standard trains, unless you are out of prison and on parole.
These kinds of restrictions and much more onerous ones are put upon citizens in the West. The United States is now routinely imprisoning poor people who owe money, East St. Louis being just one of many examples (https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/02/debtors-prison/462378/). That’s just the tip of the American iceberg for loss of freedoms and due process. The Oklahoma Department of Education (ODE) refuses to give me my updated teacher’s certificate, because I have sent in my tax returns to the IRS three times, and due to its incompetence, my returns have never been official registered in its database. Last summer, I even went to the Oklahoma Tax Commission and hand delivered my returns to them, but that’s not good enough. The feds say no go, so I’m out $50 at ODE for nothing but frustration and insults.
These kinds of governmental limits on freedom and due process are legendary in the West (I lived and worked in France for five years), often preying on the powerless, voiceless and dark skinned members of society. As Godfree explains below, the Chinese are getting legal recourse for the CSCS. I know experientially that they already have it in local courts for small claim redresses, because I threatened to sue my landlord in Beijing and he backed down, a true life story I detailed in China Is Communist Dammit – Dawn of the Red Dynasty (https://www.amazon.com/China-Communist-Dammit-Dawn-Dynasty/dp/6027354380/).
Godfree’s turn:
Erm, no. China’s very public Social Credit program is not America’s very secret No Fly List. Not even close.
Our media are interpreting yet another Chinese policy, Social Credit, in Western terms but China does things differently and, usually, better.
First, Social Credit is a popular initiative: the Chinese are the most trusting society on earth yet don’t have credit ratings so they’re tired of being scammed online for billions each year.
First [II], they trust the government–not private credit agencies like Equifax–to run projects that impact everyone because they trust their government far more than we trust ours: 86% of them say it works for everybody and not just for a fortunate few.
Second, Social Credit doesn’t just rate citizens. It rates everyone from government departments and individual officials to cops, corporations, Supreme Court justices, Congresspeople–absolutely everyone and every enterprise gets a social credit rating that arises naturally from their interactions with others.
Third, doesn’t this sound better than being secretly rated by private corporations who sell your information to other private corporations and secretly share it with government agencies–without your permission? And charge us for access to our own information? And offer no reciprocity? Ask TRW for a vendor’s credit history and current rating and what it costs you.
Fourth, Social Credit is 90% carrot and 10% stick: the higher your score the easier your life becomes. Japan and the Netherlands already offer expedited visa processing for tourists with scores above 750 and landlords and car rentals waive deposits if you’re over 800. It’s intended to be a magic carpet for those who play straight with everyone they encounter.
Fifth, all the rules are public and anyone can play and all changes to your SC rating are transparent to you, in real time. For free.
Sixth, China already has a prototype running, an online Social Credit Arbitration Court where, for a few dollars, you can have your case heard and receive a binding verdict that corrects mistakes. Millions of people use it and are refining it. It will go national in 2020.
Seventh, There’s an idealistic element: it’s part of China’s 2,000-year-old plan to create a ‘datong’ society in which (to be brief) everybody is taken care of and nobody needs to lock their doors at night: a goal every Chinese supports and which the government hopes to deliver by 2120. Imagine the effects of 100 years of Social Credit on the entire culture…
Customers applying for visas for developed countries, like Luxembourg or Japan, with scores above 750 need not submit bank records and enjoy perks like expedited airport security checks: a consumers’ magic carpet that reduces transaction fees and credit losses and builds consumer confidence. By 2018, more than 1,100 government officials had been blacklisted.
More carrot than stick, corporations with strong social credit can expect government contracts and low-interest loans and raises small corporations’ credit if they observe consumer and product safety regulations, while debiting them for unreliability, dishonesty, excess emissions and even poor worker safety. Regulators say that, when the system becomes integrated it will generate corporate scorecards directly from sensor data, CCTV cameras, government and court records and consumer reviews.
The program comes with a sting in its tail, as Oxford University’s Rogier Creemers says, “When rules are broken and not rectified in time you are entered in a list of ‘people subject to enforcement for trust breaking’ and denied access to things. Rules broken by corporations can lead to them being unable to issue corporate bonds and individuals being unable to become company directors. Trust-breakers can face penalties on subsidies, career progression, asset ownership and the ability to receive honorary titles from the Chinese government. Those who fail to repay debts are punished by travel restrictions”.
A typical travel restriction made the news in 2017 when a real estate developer attempted to book a first class ticket to London and found that the system would only issue him a tourist seat. When he investigated he found that his restriction stemmed from several court judgements whose penalties he had not paid. By 2018, the People’s Court had banned six million defaulters from traveling by air and was working with government departments to ensure that they would be ‘limited on multiple levels’. A local court got creative: when someone calls a delinquent debtor in Dengfeng, Henan Province, instead of a ringtone they hear, “The person you are calling is listed as dishonest by the Dengfeng People’s Court. Please urge them to fulfill their obligations”.
Social Credit gives consumers the same access to corporate and government ratings as corporations and governments have to consumers and make a highly trusting society transparent. Since it will be operational by 2020 and will doubtless arouse Western fears of Orwellian control, here is the official summary of the State Council’s Basic Plan for Establishing and Improving Systems of Joint Incentives for Trustworthiness [I posted the link to the whole document in my related article]:
Praise creditworthiness, discipline untrustworthiness. Fully utilize credit incentives and constraints, increasing the extent of incentives for trustworthy entities and of disciplinary actions for seriously untrustworthy entities, letting the trustworthy receive benefits and the untrustworthy be subject to restrictions, forming systemic mechanisms for praising honesty and disciplining untrustworthiness.
Coordinate departmental and social action. By disclosing and sharing credit information, establish cross-region, interdepartmental, and cross-sector mechanisms for joint incentives and joint disciplinary action, forming a common governance structure in which government departments coordinate their concerted action, industry organizes self-discipline and management, credit service organizations actively participate–all broadly supervised by public opinion.
Protect rights and interests in accordance with laws and regulations. Strictly follow laws, regulations and policies to scientifically delineate trustworthy and untrustworthy conduct, develop joint incentives for trustworthiness and joint disciplinary action for untrustworthiness.
Establish complete mechanisms for credit restoration, objections, appeals and so forth to protect all participants’ lawful rights and interests [the Social Credit Arbitration Court].
Focus on key points, coordinate advancement. Persist in being problem-oriented, striving to resolve credit issues in key industries that are currently harmful to the public interest and public safety, on which many people have given strong feedback [recall all the polls and surveys discussed above], or which have caused serious negative impacts on economic and social development.
Encourage and support innovations and demonstrations by local people’s governments and relevant departments and gradually expand mechanisms for jointly incentivizing trustworthiness and jointly discipline untrustworthiness to every area of the economy and society.
This is another Big Chinese Experiment, a revolutionary way for people and institutions to relate to one another so let’s give it a chance. Who knows? We might learn something.
To survive the oncoming artificially created financial crisis countries will have to go to a nationalized Credit Union banking system. As long as their (Russia, China) have central banks controlled by private interests they will be targets and will fall victim to the same financial warfare that has taken out a lot of countries.
They have built their own SWIFT equivalent but now that Putin is re-elected with massive majority and Xi is in for life they need to move against their central banks and take them back. In Russia it would require a constitutional change but if Putin backed it I think it would go through.
Xi is NOT ‘in for life’, just for an extended period. The Chinese have repeatedly made this clear, but Western racist fakestream media liars state otherwise, as they always do in regard to China.
The West also engages in massive and habitual psychological projection, where they falsely accuse others of their own faults and crimes. And, here in Austfailure, the crook, the shonk, the double-dealer are all treated with kid-gloves, being known as ‘wealth creators’, ‘business leaders’ and ‘entrepreneurs’. AND they TOTALLY control the country behind a facade of ‘democracy’ characterised by appeals to race, class and ideological hatred, greed and rank stupidity. ANY criticism of ANY business parasite, or the class as a whole, brings down a tsunami of bile and abuse from the fakestream media, particularly the hate-mongering Murdoch cancer, accusing the observer of engaging in ‘class war’ (the most brilliant projection of all, as the Right’s class warfare against the 90% NEVER rests)or the insulting epithet, ‘the politics of envy’, as if any decent human being would ‘envy’ the vilest scum in society.
Racist? Please don’t discredit yourself with needless obviously wrong hyperbole. Things can be described in realistic terms that are quite bad enough without embelishment.
The zionazi-gay media is racist. It’s also the embodiment of every other right wing failure of humanity. Those who don’t shill for this disgusting govno realise this.
In ‘the west’ there are always acceptable targets for racism.
These days, its perfectly acceptable to be racist about Russians or Chinese.
You hear and see many comments of a racist format which say ‘Russians are always [fill-in-the-blank]’ or ‘Chinese are always [fill-in-the-blank]’.
It is racist because racist sentiments underlie the China-bashing.
China-bashing? The rise of China is absolutely incredible, from nowhere to the second largest economy in the world in no time. I wonder why the Western NeoCon’s created a powerful China, why they transferred all their commercial goods production to China, why they allowed China massive leeway with regards to intellectual property and patent rights? All to the detriment of their own countries. They allowed China to build up massive trade surpluses for decades which China poured into military production, with lots of purloined technology from Russia and the West mind you.
http://nationalinterest.org/feature/china-stole-fighter-russia%E2%80%94-its-coming-the-south-china-sea-17087
Just like the Orcs of Mordor, the Chinese were bred and built up for a purpose. That purpose is war. War on whom? War on that same country who the Nazi’s couldn’t defeat in WW2, war on that same country the West was hesitant to tackle conventionally during the Cold War because that country simply had too many tanks and
artillery pieces and could have rolled over NATO.
The NeoCon plan is simple, kill national states in the West, including America, and get China to sort out the tenacious Russian dilemma, hopefully all at the same time, and then the one world government, the New World Order can arise.
China was bred to bash Russia. And if a powerful China gets cold feet on its original intended purpose, there are always other countries China can bash, Orcs are meant for export and not domestic use after all.
It would be foolish for either Russia or China to abandon their strategic partnership, much less turn on each other for the benefit of the US (or the neocons therein). If either one of them falls, the other will surely be easy pickings for the US.
And building up China was certainly not the intention of the US. The idea was that China would remain forever backward relative to the West and be no more than a source of cheap labour and a significant consumer market for Western exports. The US did not expect China to catch up economically and technologically (there goes that racism again).
If China was only supposed to be a source of cheap labour, why did the West allowed China to ignore intellectual property and patent rights at the expense of the West’s countries. If china was only supposed to be a source of cheap labour why did the West allowed China to build up such massive trade surpluses at the expense of the West’s countries? China was made strong for a reason.
China is part and parcel of the NeoCon agenda; weaken the Western countries, sort out Russia and bring forth the New World Order, to be governed similarly to totalitarian China.
The Jews have practically sucked out all of the available capital of western nations while selling them all sorts of insurance policies, setting them up with Wall Street funds and every other kind of monetary boondoggle I don’t even know about. This applies particularly to the baby boomers. Now it is time for these baby boomers to collect. Catherine Austin Fitts of the George H. W. Bush administration said that the bankers by his administration had already stolen 4 trillion dollars from the US citizens.
I think that this is the problem. The Jews owe all of this money to the western populations that they can’t pay, that they knew they were not going to be able to pay so time to burn the joint down and move to another part of the world-Asia. I think that this is the reason that they have shifted everything over there.
A new world order? I think that this was just a distraction for the lower level Masons who were goys who got the idea that the world was going to be made new and wonderful while the truth is actually different.
You need to be skeptical of China, up to a point. Even the dogs on the street know that the Anglo-Zionists deliberately moved industry and research to China. Even more damning are the links between (((international finance))) and China — they’re still frickin’ officially Communist, which links ’em to the fake Marxist project. Nothing to do with socialism; everything to do with controlling people and society.
Note that this is not a straw-man argument — I’m fully aware that the West is a totalitarian society hiding behind a democratic-capitalist facade. I’m just wary of not falling into the arms of yet another controlled opposition, namely China. I hope I’m wrong; I expect the worst. China and Russia need to take care of their Central Banks; until they do, then everything else is bulls**t.
I agree.
When we see China or Russia take controle of their central bank, then we can believe there is a new concept other than slaving to feed the Financial world. Not before.
China is a Board member in BIS and the new BRICS Investment bank is recogniced by IMF, ECB etc.
Russia´s Central Bank is still Rothschild owned and still depending the dollar system.
Its obvious Washington and Brussel are all paid and working for the Western Finance, herefrom we have the “axes of evil”, the countries without Anglo owned Central bank.
Okay, Xi is in for as long as he wants. Is that better?
A few days ago, China has appointed a new central bank governor, Yi Gang. What are the expectations from US point of view, find here : https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/19/opinion/china-central-bank-fed.html
The new Chinese central bank chief studied in US :
1986-1994 Assistant Professor, Associated professor with tenure, Indiana University, Indianapolis
Educational Background: He studied in Peking University, Hamline University and University of Illinois from 1978 to 1986, and has a BA of Business Administration from Hamline University and a Ph.D. degree in Economics from University of Illinois.
Don’t overestimate the power of the media. Its a waning and failing power. Its still powerful, but on the decline.
In the last US election, all of the major media told the people that Trump was a racist, fascist anti-christ and that in contrast Hillary was a healthy paragon of virtue and the best hope for mankind.
I saw a poll where Trump voters were almost united in saying that they did not believe the media.
And we saw the final results, where outside of NY and CA Trump won the most votes which meant that in the US’ electoral college which was specifically designed to blunt the power of the big states Trump won the election.
In the UK, the leader of the party that has momentum and is likely the most popular party came out with skepticism about the claims. And it appears that a similar situation probably exists there, as Corbyn has proved to be popular with his supporters despite being constantly attacked and smeared by the pro-war, pro-tory media. This would seem to indicate that what the government propaganda channel known as the BBC says is not always fully accepted as the truth.
The media of course try to pretend that they are always right and that they always reflect public opinion. That is a part of their line of BS, and if they ever said otherwise their system would collapse. But its important not to be deluded by the media’s constant claims of self-importance. All the signs point to their influence being on the decline, including the Soviet-style crackdown on dissent and any competing point of view.
As I’ve often noted. Corbyn will NEVER be allowed to be UK PM. NEVER! At present the Zionazi elite is launching its most vicious, indeed typically hate-deranged, campaign to destroy Corbyn, so far. As usual, utterly spurious claims of ‘antisemitism’ have been concocted by these stand-over thugs, and elite Zionazi groups, like the Board of Jewish Deputies and the Jewish Leadership Council, are leading the hysterical fray, in total collusion with the evil sewer that once was the UK Guardian, before the Zionazis took over there.
As these thugs make clear, their demented hatred of Corbyn is based, NOT on the mythical charges of ‘antisemitism’, but on Corbyn, and the Labour Party’s partial and ineffectual support for the Palestinians against the brutal, fascist, racist, terror state, Israel, that treats them like animals. So the whole amazing process where hundreds of thousands joined Labour in the hope that Corbyn would end the nightmares of Blairite treachery (but TOTAL subservience to Blair’s Zionazi masters)and Tory class hatred, and almost elected him PM last year, is under full attack, and in dire danger of destruction, along with all the hopes of its hundreds of thousands of adherents, because of the vicious, demanding, arrogance of the Zionazi elites.
And that is not, by any means, ALL Jews. Although the fakestream media sewer goes out of the way to ignore or suppress their existence, many decent Jews support Corbyn, knowing that accusations of racism against him are filthy lies, made viciously hypocritical by the fact that the Zionazi false accusers themselves are among the vilest racists extant. Of course ‘antisemitism’ is a different matter entirely, these days (real Judeophobic incidents are at record lows in the UK)being almost entirely concocted for the most brutal political purposes, to consolidate Tory power, to demonise and OUTLAW support for Palestine and criticism of Israel and to destroy Corbyn and return UK Labour to the rule of the Zionazi controlled Blairite scum. And, naturally, such viciously unjust and despicable tactics are bound, in some people who see the work of years, even decades, being destroyed by a lynch-mob of rabid, racist, liars, to create a feeling of hatred of this vile bullying Zionazi mob, but THAT is precisely what they want. ANY resistance to their vile thuggery will INSTANTLY be denounced as yet more ‘antisemitism’ in a vicious cycle of hatred, that very hatred that is the root and energy of Zionazism.
So in Evrope you can be charged with a “hate crime” for criticizing Islam/Jews/non-Whites etc.
In China for criticizing the government or it’s policies
Both use different methods but the outcome is exactly the same = a total police state
I don’t see how one would be better from the other?
Ignorance and misinformation about China is widespread in the West. Jeff Brown’s books (I have read two) are a good way to discover what is really going there.
China has developed and instituted the fascist wet dream, Big Brother on steroids.
China to bar people with bad ‘social credit’ from trains, planes
People who would be put on the restricted lists included those found to have committed acts like spreading false information about terrorism and causing trouble on flights, as well as those who used expired tickets or smoked on trains, according to two statements issued on the website of the National Development and Reform Commission (NDRC) website on Friday.
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The NDRC announcement was in line with President’s Xi Jinping’s plan to construct a social credit system based on the principle of “once untrustworthy, always restricted”, said one of the notices which was signed by eight ministries, including the country’s aviation regulator and the Supreme People’s Court.
http://www.scmp.com/tech/enterprises/article/2137619/china-bar-people-bad-social-credit-trains-planes
Social Credit System (wiki)
The Social Credit System is a proposed Chinese government initiative[1][2][3] for developing a national reputation system. It has been reported to be intended to assign a “social credit” rating to every citizen based on government data regarding their economic and social status.[4][3][5][6][7] It works as a mass surveillance tool and uses big data analysis technology.[8] In addition, it is also meant to rate businesses operating on the Chinese market.[9]
What is ‘fascist wet dream’?
Anyway, China has to take care of over 1 billion people. People must be honest. In a community, we always punish those who commit wrongdoing. This is what the Chinese Communist government is trying to do – punish those that commit fraud.
“This is what the Chinese Communist government is trying to do – punish those that commit fraud.”
Are you sure about that:
“as well as those who smoked on trains”
Contaminating the air of others in a closed space is not a natural law right. Puleeese! A few rules are not fascism.
Dividing people along the lines of such individualistic addictions without regard to the rights of others affected (to breath tobacco smokeless air for example…) are a transparent divide and conquer tactic of those who want a society of atomized little divided segments of single issue maniacs…………..which they can pit against each other, from the top, in an aggregated, mind controlled whole….which only cares about favoring its little single issue segment……and could care less about the victimization of the whole of society………….or the continued dominance of the orchestrators of that dynamic.
Because they can’t see beyond the cancer sticks stuck in their faces..
“A few rules are not fascism.”
Puleeese, air contamination may be lethal but it is not fraud https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraud
You are right. “Smoking 1 cigaret” in public leaves you “once untrustworthy, forever restricted”.
I am sure many liberals in West will love this totalitarian rule with reference to their personal comfort of “a clean place to live”, “green air”, etc.
A facsist ‘wet dream’ is a society of total control, where individuals internalize the commands of their oppressors and fail to develop the ability to judge truth for themselves.
If you genuinely cannot comprehend such a simple idea, then I am frightened for our future together on this rock. They have been teaching this way of thinking in our Prussian inspired school system since oligarchs concluded they wanted workers and cogs, not meddlesome thinkers.
Further, having accepted that you are an irresponsible child forever, you must search for justifications such as “China has to take care of over 1 billion people,” to avoid the cognitive dissonance that results from the conflict between the intuitive truth in oneself and what others have told you to believe.
In any case Communism was invented as a prelude to fascism. It may start out ok, there is material progress, but at the end of it all the primary achievement will be the creation of a literally Satanic society of robots and slaves.
Hence, a fascist ‘wet dream.’
Hei, hei, calm down Where-Wolf… I just did not understand what you meant by ‘fascist wet dream’. Why fascist? Why wet? Why dream?
Now, your answer touched several important issues that I did not mention in my comment:
1) Am I unable to ‘comprehend such a simple idea’ as ‘total control’?
I am sorry to disappoint you; but, I understand what happens when a state has ‘total control’ – this is what is happening in the US and in most of the ‘western’ world, with the use of the media and other instruments (mobile ‘phones’, tv programmes…) to control the minds of everybody. Old practices of control are now taking advantage of technological development, and are very effective (see the social engineered ‘coloured revolutions’!). The objective is to keep a certain elite in power forever. So, do not accuse only China of ‘total control’.
Note: However, as the election of Trump in the US also demonstrates, people can occasionally escape from the tentacles of the Octopus. Even in the US!
2) I can argue that ‘control’ has nothing to do with communism; control is about totalitarianism.
Today, most people would support a strong State where at least people’s basic needs were satisfied, that is, physiological and safety needs (food (basic nutrition), water, sleep, sex, excretion, shelter, order, stability, and security). While the State looks to satisfy those needs for the majority of the people, the State rules for them – the State gets their approval and can be said to be legitimate. The Chinese government is not totalitarian nor fascist. It is struggling to satisfy the basic needs of all citizens, and cannot afford to have to deal with the opportunism of a few.
I worked all my life on the impossible task of promoting Third World ‘development’, in many countries and in several continents, and had first-hand experience with people’s struggle for improving their living condition – that is, for having at least their most basic needs attended. Political repression was always present. China is not Third World; no more.
Ultimately, what we have in the world, today, is not totalitarianism but repression of political dissent, as without this kind of repression the ‘regime’ would be overcome.
But, you will say, there is more than basic needs. Of course; there is much more! Abraham Maslow gave us a clue in his study of human developmental psychology. In his book ‘Motivation and Personality’, Maslow pointed to six stages of human growth: physiological, safety (the two first ones comprise our basic needs), belonging and love, esteem, self-actualization, and self-transcendence.
However, Maslow studied only what he called ‘the exemplary people’: the healthiest 1% of the college student population. He wrote that “the study of crippled, stunted, immature, and unhealthy specimens can yield only a cripple psychology and a cripple philosophy.”
Where in the world we have a State that can provide, for all, everything they need? Not even a communist State could do it. There has never been any real communist State in the world because communism in one country is not possible – due exactly to our universal human needs (see more below)!
4) Thus, I do not agree with your argument that ‘Communism was invented as a prelude to fascism. It may start out ok, there is material progress, but at the end of it all the primary achievement will be the creation of a literally Satanic society of robots and slaves.’
Marlow (above) says that our psychological development occurs when all of those six needs are attended – in sequence. There is a hierarchy of needs because the satisfaction of the next needs depend on the satisfaction of the previous ones (according to Marlow’s list of needs). So, when we have our basic needs attended, we will want to satisfy the next ones!
This is the dilemma of so-called communist States. They do provide for the basic needs of society; however, the next stages of our needs are beyond the reach of the communist State. In a world without States, without competition, with equality and respect for all (that is, in a truly communist world!), it would be possible, theoretically, to achieve all stages of (what we consider to be) universal human needs.
I am optimistic. I believe that human beings will inevitably struggle to get there, no matter what it takes.
Excuse me Emily, I took you for a drive by troll, which clearly you are not. I apologize for my tone.
I agree with your first point entirely. I do not believe we in are in better shape in the West and it was not my intention to single out China in this respect. I hope that you are correct about Donald Trump but I still have my doubts. He is certainly better than the alternative but possibly he is not as much of a change as we would like to believe. I am much less optimistic given his record on domestic issues especially.
Concerning your second point, China has an essentially capitalist and materialist economy, regardless of ownership levels by government, so while I understand the distinction you want to make between communism and totalitarianism, I do not believe this demonstrates that China is today following a path any different when compared to that taken by our own societies. With the partial exception of the United States (which nonetheless had Social Security and Welfare), most Western societies held high social democratic ideals for a period of time, then at the precise moment most human needs became satisfied we embarked not upon further development according to Maslow’s hierarchal model but on a war against ourselves, and shortly thereafter, on the construction of a totalitarian security state.
Perhaps I am missing something but the question I would ask is if when a society moves first to satisfy the basic physical needs of it’s citizens in isloation, to the exclusion or partial exclusion of emotional, intelectual and spiritual dimensions, and does this according to a fractured idea of how human development proceeds, is it not embarking upon a course that will start well, as with our own experience, before finally crashing as a consequence of what occurrs in all late stage capitalist-materialist and explotation based economies?
Like it or not, Western societies became successful by predation, and so our philosophies and psychologies are inseperable from this perspective. The Chinese are aware of this because of their own experience with our imperialism but how long will it be before they forget?
When easy targets for exploitation disappear a society will inevtitably turn on it’s self and totalitarian and specifically technocratic ideals become a primary and unstoppable force driving all decision making. Examples of this already exist in China, as I pointed to in my intial comment, but my essential disagreement with your perspective is that something is missing from a stage by stage model of development, which we are idealizing in the Chinese context, and I see no way for it to proceed any differently in China than it did for ourselves, with a strong chance it will become even more virulent in terms of externalization precisely because the Chinese are if not anything else, more disciplined and obediant to authority.
Said differently, while there are stages of growth, all parts need to grow together and so by waiting for material needs to be satisfied first we will inevitably retard the capacity of most people to develop the greater aspects of their being, and this will be just fine with Chinese Big Brother, as it will be with the technocrats, psychologists and other assorted ‘experts’ who think they know better when clearly they do not.
I accept your apologies, Where-Wolf. I am new in blog discussions; but, I am fascinated by the discussions going on in The Saker. The level is high, and the commenters are very articulate, intelligent, well informed. I feel that it is a privilege – if not an audacity from my part – to be here with my contribution. I almost can’t catch up with all the possibilities to learn more, challenging my own views.
I think you are jumping fast to a point that is almost unachievable for over ½ the population of our planet.
Our basic needs are fundamental for our survival – without them, we die. Yet, the Third World is very far from being able to provide for the basic needs of their people – the role of the State in the Third World is actually to deter their improvement. For this reason, when the poor in Latin America, Southeast Asia or Africa struggle to improve their condition, they are repressed…
There is a dichotomy in the capitalist system, where the rich ‘developed’ States (and their elites) keep growing economically as long as they keep the ‘underdeveloped’ States getting ever poorer. Try to change the foreign policy of a ‘developed’ capitalist State and you will face a tremendous condemnation from the government.
Due to historic inexperience, dogmatism and determination to succeed, many mistakes were made by the old USSR – until its end… But, I do not believe that the intention was to undermine people’s realisation of their needs as such. The objective was to save the revolution. It is likely that there was ‘a fractured idea of how human development proceeds’…
For you, perhaps, the ‘emotional, intellectual or spiritual dimensions’ are to be considered from the beginning. However, I believe that most people in the world who do not have even their most basic needs attended would strongly disagree with you. This because they understand that we may realise our most transcendent needs in the most unexpected way.
However, even in the most favourable environment, where the State performs a positive role, people can only achieve emotional, intellectual and spiritual wellbeing when they are prepared to find answers to their aspirations inside and by themselves, and develop them.
I definitely agree with you that ‘technocrats, psychologists and other assorted ‘experts’’ do not know everything and should not be responsible for providing us everything. We are all responsible, and we should be made responsible. A paternalist State is not the answer for our future. However, to get there is our main target, and Russia and China are leading us, one way or another. Let’s give them a chance – we have only a barbarian world to lose.
I think you mean “Maslow’s hierarchy of needs”.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow%27s_hierarchy_of_needs
Just thought I would mention that; I’m not addressing the rest of your post.
Punishing, punishing, punishing … Don’t people realize the constant cries for punishing? Punishing someone for smoking in a restaurant. Punishing someone for speeding. The list goes on and on. Are people really that sadistic? Yesterday smoking was okay, today it seems to be worse than theft. Are you really willing to give up all your privacy in order to be acceptable? If so, go to Facebook and enter all your personal data, document each and every step of your life, let others participate and have a look if you’re leading a model life. … Will there ever be a time when people can be people again, without fearing, banks and other corporations, the state or neighbors spying on someone?
In your dreams.
No-in China it is quite acceptable to criticise the Government. It is not permitted to work, with or without Western patrons, financial and propagandistic, to bring the country down.
the BBC is the mouthpiece of MI5 and MI6 .
The state controlled, £3,700 million funded, propaganda arm that is the BBC.
The BBC was originally created (in early radio days) to be the PR arm of Britain’s secret services- a propaganda mouthpiece for Britain’s Deep State.
It is a deeply sick and distressing fact that the British were denied alternatives to the repugnant BBC both in radio and TV stations for the longest time,
Britain is the centre of the Demonic spiderweb that covers our planet, and London is the centre of the centre. The false flag of 9/11 was conceived and planned in Britain by Blair’s inner circle, for instance- and post 9/11 it was Tony Blair who travelled the globe preaching the NWO response, not any American.
The Demon Game is not a simple matter of brainwashing the simple-minded. It is far more predicated on despair and hopelessness- where people know the truth but go along with evil in the belief that their is no option. And the BBC is at the forefront of rubbing people’s faces in the Demonic ‘excrement’.
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Don’t blame westerners for the crimes of their political elite. Its a totally Communist thing to doRemoved – no attacking the author. Mod
It is the political elite who start the wars. Otis the same political elite who try to destroy us with mass immigration and population replacement.
Do not forget, it was Western people who smashed the rule of Oligarchy and ushered in the enlightenment and it is the same Oligarchy that seeks to destroy the enlightenment, and the people who created it, and any check on their wealth and power.
The only people capable of defending you from Oligarchy are western.
Yep, and it was ‘Western’ people who murdered tens of millions of Indigenous peoples in the New Worlds, tens of millions of Indians and Chinese in Imperial aggression and exploitation, tens of millions of African slaves in the Atlantic slave trade, caused WW1 and WW2, and brought us blessings like Auschwitz, Operation Phoenix and the ‘Salvador Option’ in Iraq. Plus End-Stage devastation of the planet’s life-support systems in the ecological Holocaust.
Please stop whining thru your bleeding heart about the unchangeable past.
Everyone owned slaves, everyone attempted to win loot and territory through total subjugation of their enemies.
To think that China would not do what the west does were the roles reversed is pure baby fantasy.
Terribly sorry, Blackholesun:
Mulga’s post deals accurately with the very present as well. Facts are stubborn things. There is just no way for you to worm out of the verdict that even if the West has an uninterrupted 500+ years’ track record of oppression, genocide, ecocide, and total lawlessness, that doesn’t mean that the East and South have something to answer for. It should be even clearer that trumped up ”charges” what China would be up to are pure fiction with no merit whatsoever.
Thanks, Nuss. The Chinese are not all angels or devils, nor are Westerners, but to deny that Western ruling elites are the greatest mass murderers and exploiters in history, as Blackholesun appears to do, is madness. I would bet my life that most Westerners and Chinese would get on just fine, but the parasitical Western ruling classes and tribes do not want that.
“To think that China would not do what the west does were the roles reversed is pure baby fantasy.”
ever considered Northern / Eastern / Southern / Western Oligarch as a career (if you aren’t one already)?
Blackholesun, basically you’re saying that all humans are predators. The logical consequence of your statement is to attack others while they’re weak and can’t defend themselves.
“The only people capable of defending you from Oligarchy are western.”
Sounds interesting, since Westerners don’t really seem to care as long as the loot flows in from the rest of the planet. Russia and China, by contrast, are working hard to break up the fiat currency regime of the Western oligarchs — hence the screamfest in the MSM. Really, if there is one thing I feel that Russia and China do have in common with the Western oligarchs (and rightly so), then it’s a profound contempt of the West’s post-industrial, enlightened “information society”. More specifically, as far as the Western oligarchs are concerned, that contempt is like a pimp honestly opining on his customers and the employed prostitutes alike (just replace “pimp” by “media corporation” and “prostitutes” by “presstitutes” while “customers” remain in place). The contempt it elicits among Russians and Chinese is more plain disgust and sense of utter estrangement.
As was to be expected, there is the usual whining, moaning, and groaning about the ‘intolerable sufferings’ of the Western populations:
“It is the political elite who starts the wars. It is the same political elite who try to destroy us with mass immigration and population replacement.”
As I’ve said on many occasions: Russia should just unceremoniously nuke the Euro-trash — Oligarchs included. The fact of the matter is that the ‘heroic, staunchly anti-Oligarch’ peoples in Europe and North America have become too fat, too lazy, and too infatuated with faggotry to bother about physical reproduction, never mind preventing the Oligarchy to wage imperialist wars.
Tantalizing question in view of the above: When did Western peoples smash the Rule of Oligarchy? Scratch a rugged, Western ‘individualist’ and marvel at the grovelling little sycophant below. Some “enlightenment”, LOL.
Russia should just unceremoniously nuke the Euro-trash
Basically I’m with you regarding this point, but you should be more specific next time. The first targets Russia should take out are the banks, bankers living quarters and politicians. The rest (myself included) is collateral damage.
Follow the money and it will lead to banks.
Politicians are the puppets of bankers. Even large corporations need banks for transactions. Since the takeover of accountants and economists hardly any manufacturing company has a storage. Just-in-time and just-in-sequence are en vogue – invented of course by economists.
I have lived and worked in China on and off for 20 years. I am an engineer and entrepreneur. It is a fantastic place to be. It is massive. Nothing in the West compares. So much class it ain’t funny. China is scalar bigger than the US. It dwarfs the US. It feels about 4 times bigger. It is the built environment which speaks of scale. In comparison the US, even its New York and L.A, are simply provincial. China is one of the true loves of my life. I haven’t properly been to Russia and I regret that immensely. I have set foot in Russia very briefly some years ago when I crossed a frozen bridge with some Chinese friends and it may be that that will be my only visit to the land of the Rus. I hope not. I have been derailed from finishing my book…Syria and then Russia were my next points of call. The east Aleppo Library housed a tome of extraordinary import to my work. In Russia I planned to live a season or two with the Sammi and visit the taiga and get lost in the birch forests.
The best laid plans of mice and men off go awry.
IbM thank you for sharing. I hope you’ll share some more of your travel adventures with the Saker community. Maybe at the Cafe?
Peace
All that still sounds like a nightmare in the making. Essentially saying, “we’re setting up the same prison persuasion system as the west, but trust us, we’ll do it better. Promise.” The main point being that with the system in place, one only needs the wrong guys in power for it all to go horribly horribly wrong. All this presumes that a just and totally or near incorrupt government remains in place, but history always warns us about the promise-makers of utopia. Capitalism and Communism are two sides of the same coin. Will the underground Christians benefit from this system? The idea is laughable. This whole thing is a terrible idea and a time bomb. And if the only pitch is the non-guarantee that,”Hey, we’re not America,” and, “the people want it like the ‘people’ can’t vote themselves into stupidity and calamity regarding things they are often woefully never thinking about the long term consequences and potential risks of, then that really isn’t a selling point. I’m with James Corbett on this one. I prefer my gaming score remain on the Playstation and not have it applied to every detail of my life because some people imagine there’s some giant foolproof difference between a government and a corporation. I’m sure there are very nice capitalists too who are honest and fair and ethical. But apparently communists and leftists imagine government alone to be a replacement for God who alone can give us paradise. Yeah, no thanks. The Angelic hosts and the devils are already the best intelligence gatherings and surveillance network in existence, and I’ll on trust the Throne of God to deliver just verdicts. Not any human government. Thus we should always have a healthy skepticism of such systems and the potential to abuse them.
You miss the point of the argument, that the Chinese are NOT Westerners, and are creating an inclusive and caring society along lines of thought and experience built up over millennia. Your fault is known as ‘Orientalism’, where you can not, or will not, deign to attempt to comprehend non-Western societies according to their histories and culture. It’s a recipe for war, of course-they must be made to act like proper Westerners, the only authentic human type.
“You miss the point of the argument, that the Chinese are NOT Westerners, and are creating an inclusive and caring society along lines of thought and experience built up over millennia.”
Mulga,
you are normally straight as a die. However, in this case it seems you have become befuddled
https://sputniknews.com/asia/201803171062634257-china-rating-citizens-government/
‘Anonymous'(naturally) all I am saying is that the Chinese have a vastly different history, culture and society from the West, and, as the author of the article observes, the Chinese have long planned this system, which is very like that which private economic power has created in the West, for the purpose of pure economic exploitation, in accordance with ancient Chinese principles, and with vast support among the Chinese. Have you read all the links, above, that the author provided?
“Anonymous'(naturally)”
I had, until now, generally considered you above such pettiness.
“the Chinese have long planned this system, which is very like that which private economic power has created in the West, for the purpose of pure economic exploitation, in accordance with ancient Chinese principles, and with vast support among the Chinese.”
What about the non-support of the, er, “bad” Chinese who will be targeted by this (perhaps you didn’t read the link I provided):
“The rating will be applied, regarding such criteria as education, income rate, career achievments as well people’s conduct on the Internet.
Those, who have a low rating will face a number of problems, including difficulties in finding a job and bying tickets on planes and trains.
The system will add or remove a point for every action performed by a Chinese citizens and even the history of Internet purchases can seriously affect the reputation”
Which ‘Anonymous’ are you, after all? The Anonymous label means there is no way to judge you from your record, and get some idea of your point of view. Here, as I have said to others, you appear not to have read the article or the links, or be prepared to accept that the Chinese are NOT Westerners, and have a different history, culture, way of life, different for thousands of years. They overwhelmingly accept this sort of social disposition because they value communal harmony over individualistic greed and arrogance, the religion of the West.
I don’t believe I’m missing the point at all.
The point is not what and why the Chinese people as a whole prefer.
The fact remains that it’s still a system in place that has the potential for great exploitation to the detriment of the Chinese people.
The Chinese are human beings too, possessing every virtue and every vice. For all our concentration on the evil of the West, we can’t just close our eyes to the evil of the East. That the West is hypocritical, doesn’t mean we glaze over the wrongdoings of the East.
You can easily build up a system of oppression built “along lines of thought and experience built up over millennia.” Experience and millennia doesn’t end in the year 2018. In the grand scheme of things this whole thing could end up a gigantic mistake that informs the process of experience and millennia for future generations of Chinese. This philosophically erroneous bias operating here being belief in ‘inevitable progress’ and ‘worship of the modern.’ As if the present step could not produce something erroneous.
Lipstick on a pig is still just lipstick on a pig.
It’s not capitalism. It’s the private central banking cabal. Big difference. America was once free. Then 1913.
I wonder what israel has against China? Given the ott level of zionazi spam on this thread, it must be something economic…
;-D
The Chinese will never bow down to the Chosen People, unlike Western elites, who compete to grovel in the most demonstrative fashion. Not that the Chinese elite, or Chinese in the main, have anything against Jews. They just happen to see them as human beings, like the rest of us, and THAT is unforgivably ‘antisemitic’.
I am also with Corbett on this.
All states try to maximize their power over their citizens/subjects. This is true whether we are talking about China, the US or Russia. In any society ambitious control freaks and psychopaths tend to rise towards the top. To think this is not true in China – or anywhere else – is extraordinarily naive.
It is in our interest as human beings that states continue to compete with each other. It gives us a little room to breathe. The day when they combine into a cartel ( world government) is the day our freedom ends.
I too am glad that China and Russia resist the Empire, but let’s not kid ourselves, they also strive to maximize their power.
Precisely, seeing the West as all bad and the resistors of Empire as all good is too simplistic. The Chinese have an unequal society, they’ve put in place a wide ranging data collection system through 170 Million cameras and all tech company data automatically belongs to the State. The Chinese have their own huge issues with the environment, inequality, corruption and nepotism. Not to mention a financial system that is exactly based on unsustainable growth of debt and using up finite resources. China is no eden paradise and to call it out for that isn’t an attack, it’s the truth. Yes the West has it’s own major flaws but given a choice from my home in East Africa, I would live in the relatively free West than China any day. We see here that the Chinese are helpful but that help doesn’t come free, it comes loaded with debt, corruption and political subversion, same as the West if not worse.
In my opinion you make a number of errors here. China is unequal, but has raised more people out of poverty than all the rest of the world combined over the last thirty years. Moreover China has a definite plan to end the poverty of the rest, while the neo-feudal West deliberately throws more and more of its people into poverty, ever more dire. All tech data in the West automatically belongs to the private Internet giants, like Google, Facebook etc, or to the great global Panopticon, the NSA, through ‘Total Information Awareness’. The Chinese data seems to be being put to socially beneficial uses, not drone missile targeting or economic exploitation and electoral manipulation, as in the West. You are correct about the use of finite resources, of course, but China is hardly Robinson Crusoe there, and pays full dollar for the resources it uses, and does not invade and pillage to acquire them, as the West has done throughout history. As for where you’d prefer to live, that is your choice. Most Westerners who have moved to China seem rather to enjoy the experience, and, believe me, short of working for the overthrow of the State, you are every bit as ‘free’ in China as you are in the West-probably more so.
Furthermore China is doing more to tackle corruption and pollution than any other country. China is the global hyper-power in renewable energy, and high-speed rail, and will shortly lead in electric vehicles, too. As to debt, it is held in Chinese currency by State-owned banks, is mostly invested in productive activities, not financial speculation, and backed by huge financial assets, trade surpluses and savings by the population. Japan has juggled its gargantuan debts for decades, despite stagnating economically. China can do so, as well.
“Moreover China has a definite plan to end the poverty of the rest”
And the correlation between your assertion and the quote (again) from the Sputnik article:
“Those, who have a low rating will face a number of problems, including difficulties in finding a job and bying tickets on planes and trains.”
is what?
So, they will have to work on raising their rating, won’t they. You may have noticed that many groups in the glorious West are also prevented from accessing the good things of life, usually for economic reasons of poverty, or through racial and cultural ‘profiling’, or from prejudice on the part of others. And, the reasons for low ratings in China, ie running out on business partners, not paying fines, and other infractions of good social order, hardly go unpunished in the West, although the punishment is always greater for the weak, powerless and poor.
“So, they will have to work on raising their rating, won’t they.”
Ah, the exceptional people with an IQ well above the Untermensch are to be treated with the utmost favour.
Welcome to the Brave new (Chinese) world – fast becoming the same as the already deplorable West.
You seem to crave the quickening race to the bottom.
Nothing mentioned here about “infractions of good social order”:
“The rating will be applied, regarding such criteria as education, income rate, career achievments as well people’s conduct on the Internet.
Those, who have a low rating will face a number of problems, including difficulties in finding a job and bying tickets on planes and trains.
The system will add or remove a point for every action performed by a Chinese citizens and even the history of Internet purchases can seriously affect the reputation”
All they need to do is garner socially favourable kudos, by good deeds, and avoid those that inconvenience, hamper or harm others. How you can call that ‘ a race to the bottom’, bemuses me. I see it as precisely the opposite, as good behaviour towards others is rewarded. The antithesis of Western Moral Values, or the ethos of ‘No good deed goes unpunished’.
You have referred to “infractions of good social order” and to “good deeds” and “hampering of others”.
Why do you think things like:
“criteria as education, income rate, career achievments”
are, in any way, related to “infractions of good social order”?
Why do you think things like:
“criteria as education, income rate, career achievments”
are, in any way, related to “good deeds”?
How do you think think things like:
“criteria as education, income rate, career achievments”
are, in any way, related to “hampering of others”?
It seems that the rich and powerful of China wish to implement a system, similar to the West, which can be further leveraged to punish the weak of China.
Which part of the “race to the bottom” exactly are you bemused about and why?
Hey VK, a Chinese commentator wrote on another website something along the lines of – in dealings with the West its the usual “your money or your life”, but with China its “your money and your life”.
China is indeed very different to the West, its all those ‘ancient Chinese principles’ and thousands of years of what not, all of which Mao tried to destroy by the way, along with sparrows and rats and insects and Buddhists, etc.
I second you on that and I have to ask were the author got his naive view that any absolute control system taking individual freedom and self definition away, can by any means be a good thing.
corbett has a long history of laying out his way of thinking and my own research absolutely complements his.
There are a lot of extremely ‘leftist’ brainwashed people here which do not realise there is no real east or west and no right or left between the people. it’s only in the media projected world for our division. behind it is the same powers that shouldnt be , playing their role in this artificial ‘reality’ on their way to the one world government which will not be ours .
who really thinks chinas way of slaving their people in any way or form is a good thing ,just because its under some ‘social’ buzzword meme is at least in my opinion on the same side of history as the rest of propaganda msm and not worth more of my attention.
…..”I have to ask were the author got his naive view that any absolute control system taking individual freedom and self definition away, can by any means be a good thing.”
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What system does not do this?
(And please don’t insult me by conflating the perceived with the actual.)
”There are a lot of extremely ‘leftist’ brainwashed people here which do not realise there is no real east or west and no right or left between the people. it’s only in the media projected world for our division.”
Beg to differ. Just because the West has a legacy of rape, pillage, and mass murder doesn’t mean that the East and South have something to answer for. In the West, it is most definitely true that the political concepts of ”Left” and ”Right” (which it invented in the first place) are meaningless. Your ”Earth is flat” philisophy quoted above is precisely what unites the West’s Humanitarian interventionists and its notorious ”anti-authoritarians”, forever finding common ground in attacking Russia, China, the DPRK, and so on and so forth. The instinct to defend imperialist privilege runs deep.
I read a comment recently that noted even Putin “attacks” (meaning criticizes) Russia, therefore others should be permitted to do so also. Surely a variety of opinions are possible, without binary categories of either full support for Russia, China, DPRK or “defending imperialist privilege.”
“I read a comment recently that noted even Putin ‘attacks’ (meaning criticizes) Russia, therefore others should be permitted to do so also.”
To the best of my knowledge, I never tried to prohibit anybody. Rather, my point is that whenever Westerners complain about Russia, it strikes me as usually being absolutely morally tone-deaf as well as petty-minded and/or simple parroting of the MSM. Had I been of the same “calibre” myself, my (thus far) unanswered calls upon Russia to drop some well-deserved nukes on the Euro-trash would amount to proof positive of “High Treason” on the part of Moscow!
Exactly, Nussiminen. The critics of China are almost invariably, in my experience, Orientalists, who refuse to recognise that China is a different society, a different civilization and culture, with a different history over thousands of years from that of the West. The Chinese do things differently, which is a simple truth that many Westerners refuse to acknowledge. These people are ready fodder for the ‘Clash of Civilizations’ strategy of the Zionazis. You will note, too, that while Western cultural supremacists DEMAND that China acts like a Western state, the Chinese resolutely refuse to interfere in the internal affairs of other societies. The difference is stark.
@Mulga:
Western supremacists would be very happy to see the emergence of shooting sprees in China’s schoolyards. That would be a sure sign of the people ”arming itself to overthrow the Oligarchy” as it is in the US, allegedly. Ergo: Practice on small prey and then continue with bigger while you keep prattling ”Constitution this, amendment that”, LOL.
The most striking difference between Russia/China and the US which our Western ”anti-authoritarians” cannot explain is this:
The Russian and Chinese revolutions succeeded without any privately owned firearms — the latter were exclusively available to Reaction. And, even more to the point, these truly Earth-shattering revolutions haven’t created any legacy of vile, psychotic hatred and obsession with being heavily armed 24/7 which define the very national character of the US. This alone proves the total cluelessness among the West’s so-called ”anti-authoritarians” forever stuck in ahistorical, self-congratulating Western cant.
The answer is that the American ”revolution” was, at bottom, an invasion by Euro-settlers hell-bent on enslavement, land-grabbing, and genocide across the North Atlantic. It was a 100% Oppressor revolution where Private Firearms For All made perfect sense to create instant shock troops. Here we can clearly see the origin of the ”egalitarian” pretensions of US national ideology as well as the average Pindo’s ostentatious pride in having served in the military.
I accept that fears of Indians defending themselves from encroachers, by understandably raiding and attacking (when “deals” and treaties were proven to be a waste of breath and ink,) on the frontier, led to a love of firearms by the settlers in the New World.
What’s clear is that enduring those risks and those fears were preferable, to millions of Europeans, than remaining where they were, in Old World Europe, and slowly suffocating in Oligarchy-dominated Europe.
But that’s not the “American Revolution”…that was the invasion prior to 1776.
After 1776 you had an armed rebellion, mostly among Englishmen geographically divided by the Atlantic Ocean. over who had the primary rights to the newfound bounty.
Neither had perfect moral standing, but the worst standing of all was that occupied by King George and his hired Hessian mercenaries. Many of whom that survived the war decided that these were greener pastures on the western shores of the Atlantic than returning to the eastern shores of the Atlantic.
Defection is not always treason or betrayal. ….and things are often more complicated than they look….or feel.
Unfortunately for the native populations of the Americas, north or south, geography put them at a very distinct disadvantage in terms of defending and perpetuating their way of life. That’s why they did not (and could not!) sail east and take over even any part of Eurasia.
Read Jared Diamond’s Guns, Germs, Steel.
The Europeans had all three because of the multi-thousand kilometer horizontal axis of Eurasia, where despite mountains and deserts (that much more severely isolated native americans from each other…..) the Eurasians had many millenia of possibilities of interchange of a superior number and quality of domesticated plants, animals……. and also ideas, know-how within similar climatic range (moderarted by different elevations) to distribute these more and “better” (some of that is debatable!…LOL) things amongst each other………from the Iberian Peninsula to The Land of the Rising Sun.
Whereas the Americas are most fundamentally a VERTICAL geographical axis Entity…….narrowing down to the Darien Gap to where Balboa, having crossed the Atlantic and hiked up the Caribbean side of the range of mountains in now Panama, to the top….
“and all his men, looked at each other with a wild surmise, silent, upon a peak, in Darien”…..
.with yet another ocean, not a vast continent, in front of them, the Caribbean/Atlantic Ocean basin also simultaneously visible behind them.
That’s called a singularity. A unique place where the waist of the Americas narrows to about 150 kilometers or something……in contrast to the thousands of kilometers long horizontal axis of Eurasia….
And that is why Francisco Pizzaro’s 300 Spaniards, a few guns, some horses and a lot of steel swords and lances took Inca king Atahualpa, “protected” by 50,000 Inca warriors in Cajamarca, Peru captive, right in front of them.
With another critical Eurasian advantage giving them the courage to pull off that audacity and travesty of justice: Writing!!
Pizarro had already read Cortez’ report from Mexico and knew in advance of sailing how a similar band of Spaniards had seized control of the Aztec Empire, claimed it for Ferdinand and Isabella and returned to Spain with Aztec gold.
And those geographical disadvantages of the Americas are why neither Atahualpa or Montezuma were even remotely capable of sailing east ……and taking taking Ferdinand and Isabella captive, ransoming them for gold as Pizzaro did Atahualpa….and then renegging on the deal and murdering them…as Pizarro did to the Inca king.
It ain’t just the Anglos, guys!
BTW, germs (and Eurasian exposure to them = greater immunity) were the most devasting of the main European advantages: Balboa and his men brought European diseases to the Darien Gap years before the Inca Empire ever even saw a European. But diseases spread along the coasts of Central America to South America and up the mountain sides, to devastate and divide the Inca Empire (in civil war, when Pizarro met Atahualpa) years in advance of Pizarro’s expedition.
The Chinese are always at or near the top of citizens’ ratings of satisfaction with their Governmental and social systems and conditions, in polls taken by the Chinese and by Westerners as well.
“It is in our interest as human beings that states continue to compete with each other.”
Wholeheartedly agree with this paragraph. Thanks for the comment.
“Your every move, every communication and transaction, monetary and otherwise, is being tracked, recorded and stored by a faceless, multilayered, fascist corporate-government octopus.”
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As terrifying as that sentence sounds, it also contains the ineffectiveness of the system.
They have data repositories the size of small cities but it’s only really useful for … retrospect. To track what who did where yesterday. It’s just too big, 99% filled with useless nonsense and isn’t particularly (doesn’t appear to be) useful for “now” or “tomorrow”….
America SHOULD have known ALL that Putin said in the hypersonic part of his speech – but they didn’t.They were taken by surprise by brand new weapons and systems of delivery. It’s a waste of time and money – they’d be better served with real espionage tools.
But it will be useful one day…. In the distant future when a new civilisation rises from the ashes of ours they mind find it and discover everything about how we lived, what we thought and what we did. … I wonder what interesting theories they will theorise about WHY “we” collected and stored all that trivial day-to-day information.
I don’t know why China is being attacked for this program. Even before it was implemented, the U.S. had implemented a program where, under certain conditions, a person behind in their back taxes (i.e., of more than $51,000) could be denied a passport. See, for example, https://www.irs.gov/businesses/small-businesses-self-employed/revocation-or-denial-of-passport-in-case-of-certain-unpaid-taxes
Apart from that, there are so many compliance provisions in place in the U.S. for literally every aspect of life that
if the government wants to find something wrong with a person or silence them, they can and do so. At the same time, the rich and powerful can literally get away with anything.
Using Foucault’s theory to explain the world is like using a child molester to explain children.
And what kind of crap is this “psychological reflection”:
“This is a mental health term [mental health theory? already, we’re a runaway train] meaning that if you are guilty of being a pedophile or tax cheat, for example, you get on your soapbox about the evils of child molestation or fiscal crooks, respectively, while doing exactly that. Another great example is homophobia. Many homophobes, especially the most violent ones are repressed, closeted gays and lesbians, who internally loathe themselves.”
Homosexuals condemn this behavior for the same reason they defend it: they hate themselves. Being against homosexuality might mean it’s a major threat in your community. Same with child molestation. These things ruin people’s lives. The notion that people who hate butt buggers are themselves buggers is pure hollywood. They put such narrative in shows and movies to dissuade real criticism. Get real, Jeff Brown. Stop trying to make it impossible to criticize evil.
We need to make it alright again to hate homosexuality, before it’s against the rules to hate even bestiality. Don’t tell me it’s not alright to oppose child molesters, Jeff. Foucault speaking again! Cite Foucault when you use him, Jeff, so people know who you’re trying to be today.
Brown takes us from America expansionism, which includes spreading family eroding perversions everywhere, to not being able to criticize cultural warfare in any meaningful way. Boy, if that’s not a devious psych op. Yet, there’s still truth: America attacks China because it poses a threat. It uses the best weapons it has. Next article, please.
How many “pauls” are there here now? Maybe they could have a “cubicle conference” and agree to assign themselves a numbered sequence, or some other differentiated identifier?
According to Putin the Russian Federation is in a strategic Alliance with China. I don’t doubt it for a second, because both the russian and chinese people operate in a way totally alien to western Imperialists – the common good -. Xi-Ying-Ping and Putin had years and years to study the Western way in minute detail, and know that there is but ONE enemy ! Luckily for mankind not everybody is dumbed down to western average levels, and can read the script written on the wall of western imperialism.
Philos human credit score Mar 25, 2018
Summary of Behavioral Human Credit Score
-1 Unpaid parking ticket. Dec. 20, 2007
-1 Library book overdue ‘Navigating The New World Order, Justin Freeman’ May 1, 2009
-2 Record of firearm purchase without registration Jul 4, 2012
-2 Presence within illegal protest nearby Free Speech Zone 21 Aug 31, 2013
-1 Improper comment social media 8 Jan, 2014
-1 Improper comment social media 12 Jan, 2014
-1 Improper comment social media 15 Jan, 2014
-1 Violation street crossing 16 Apr., 2014
-1 Failure to remit full appliance tax, 27 Jun, 2014
-4 (cumulative) Operating a device not Smart Meter Compatible, 1 Jan, 2015 – 25 Mar, 2018
-2 Failure to remit pre-inheritance tax, 19 Sep, 2017
-1 Failure to report a smoker near a building, 3 Oct, 2017
-1 Unauthorized work on a vehicle in restricted residential zone 7 Nov, 2017
-2 Displaying an insubordinate attitude toward a superior 15 Nov, 2017
-2 Illegal photography of National Landmark 3 Dec, 2017
-1 Unsocial behavior in public 7 Dec, 2017
-4 (Cumulative) Operating a wood burning device noncompliant 12 Dec, 2017 – 25 Dec, 2018
-1 Utilizing an Iphone during work hours 15 Dec, 2017
-2 Late pre-tax submission 18 Dec, 2017
-1 Walking dog without leash 19 Dec, 2017
-1 Providing money to homeless 21 Dec, 2017
– 3 (Cumulative) Water usage overage 21 Dec, 2017 – 25 Mar, 2018
-1 Child was late to school 4 Jan, 2018
-1 Vehicle registration late 29 Jan, 2018
-1 Overseas phone call unauthorized 2 Feb, 2018
-1 Report ISP suspicious 5 Feb, 2018
-2 Unauthorized entry into Federal Wildlife Protected Natural Area 10 Feb, 2018
-2 Failure to provide identification in Federal Protected Zone 10 Feb, 2018
-1 Transporting prohibitted substance (alchohol) in Federal Protected Zone 10 Feb, 2018
-2 Membership in a subversive element – Christian Fathers Support Group 23 Feb, 2018
-2 Failure to pay fines for entering a Federal Protected Wilderness Zone Mar 6, 2018
-2 Unauthorized access to banned internet content Mar. 21, 2018
-2 Unauthorized access to banned internet content Mar. 22, 2018
-2 Unauthorized access to banned internet content Mar. 23, 2018
…end report behavior adjusted score
Behavior adjusted score: -45
Financial adjusted score: -187
Status adjusted score: -69
IRS adjusted score: -83
DHS adjusted score: – 58
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To paraphrase something Putin said:
“Dogs bark, but the caravan continues on.”
So far no-one has commented on the reason why this social credit system has been implemented in China. Its not about paying taxes, its about the nature, the mindset, the behavior of your average mainland Chinese.
Your average mainland Chinese is a real piece of work – dubious, unpleasant, loud, uncouth, you name it. So to try and turn your average mainland Chinese into a nicer type of guy is a good idea. It will certainly make China more appealing on the world stage, after all, you can’t have China talking about harmony and peaceful co-existence, co-operation blah blah blah when your average mainland Chinaman is just scum now can you?
Certainly other peoples have changed. The savage, murderous Vikings became the Scandinavians of today, who are amongst the best of people. But then there are the Jews who haven’t changed one bit in thousands of years, they still believe that they are destined to rule the world and have us Goyim there to serve them, just like they did in BC.
So good luck with this latest Chinese experiment but remember, the Chinese aren’t called the Jews of the East for nothing.
gT: “Its about your behavior”.
We are back to Obama´s Orweilian “behavioral science”. Xi is also talking about “soft power” in China, a Western concept.
So the financial world´s totalitarian system to controle our money through our lives seems interconnected all over, except in Syria and Iran and to some extent North Korea.
I guess thats why Assad never received/replaced his S-300, USA occupy 1/3 of Syria, and Iran never received S-400 back up to their anti-air defenses.
Hail Satan.
I would probably have read this if not for the blatant ideological posturing about “fascism” in the title. If the US government is “fascist”, then (e.g.) the Alt Right is Communist – an utter absurdity. I don’t have the time or the interest to read ideological circle-jerking that takes intellectually vapid rhetorical smear words like “fascist” seriously.