The Russian media has provided more details about what exactly happened in Grozny. The picture did not fundamentally change, but there are a few interesting details. It turns out that the group of Wahabis were ethnic Chechens, at least for 4 out of 9, and that they managed to enter Grozny in several cars. This is not much of a feat, since the checkpoints at the entry of the city have been removed for a long time already. The terrorists then proceeded to drive downtown and around 2AM they stopped in the middle of the road, which was empty as it was night. Some neighbors spotted them and used their cellphones to film them walking around their cars. Then either they got stopped by a police patrol or they attacked it (I heard both versions). They then fled to an empty building taking up to 20 IED with them.
They did not make any particular demands but one of them managed to upload a video into the social media saying that 1500 combatants had entered the city. The seemed to have freaked out the local authorities enough to launch a city-wide anti-terrorist plan but since no further insurgents were found, it was soon canceled. The building (a printing house, which was empty at night) was surrounded and a firefight ensued at which point the security forces opened up with machine, grenades and anti-tank weapons which set fire to the building but also damaged the nearby market which burned down. The insurgents began taking casualties so they ran to a nearby school but they were intercepted and shot.
All in all, it appears to me that these insurgents acted with a fantastic lack of tactical skills which is very uncharacteristic of Chechen fighters who (whatever side they are on) are usually formidable combatants. The guys who got shot appeared to have been very dangerous but clowns nonetheless, not sophisticated operators. This is definitely good news.
Interestingly, Ramzan Kadyrov publicly apologized to Putin for these events on the day of his address to the Federal Assembly and promised that a special investigation force (composed of 50 detectives) will investigate and report on what happened. He added that he did not want the Chechen authorities to be “red faced” before the Chechen and Russian people. To which Putin replied that Kadyrov and his subordinates had nothing to be ashamed of and that they had handled the situation very professionally.
This is yet anther sign of the rebirth of an ancient tradition from the times of Imperial Russia: some groups (Chechens, Cossaks, etc.) are given special freedoms and a quasi-total liberty in how they arrange their daily lives with no intervention from the Center in exchange for a simple thing: they are personally responsible for the security of the Russian border and the clam and safety of the area they control. Kadyrov message to Putin was simple: “sorry, we were responsible for the peace and security in Chechnia and we let that happen”. Putin’s reply was “you did nothing wrong and you have my fullest political support”.
This kind of relations are very hard to understand for westerners, but they are very typical and traditional in the mind and ethos of Russians and the peoples of the Caucasus. For Kadyrov to be trusted with full liberty to administer Chechnia in any way he sees fit (and with full Russian economic and political support) is a great source of personal pride and as soon as he felt that anybody might question his performance he personally took responsibility and directly faced his commander who, upon seeing his personal courage and honor, praised him and publicly assured him of his full support and trust.
The key measure here is this: the Chechens handled the crisis on their own. The (numerous) Russian forces in the area were never called to intervene. If the Russians had been forced to send in their special forces to deal with this attack it would have been a major loss of face for not only Kadyrov, but all the Chechen people who pride themselves on their capability to deal with any threat by themselves. That did not happen and even if the Chechens did suffer the loss of 10 of their officers, these men died in defense of not only their people’s lives, but also their pride. In the Caucasus, this matters *a lot* and they will be buried as heroes.
I suppose that for the “progressive” EUpeans this will smack of medieval-style clientelism. Whatever. This is how Russians and Chechens think and this is how they want to live. I would not advise anybody to try to interfere.
The Saker
The notions of honour and responsibility are necessary parts of transcendence, so understanding is a pre-requisite for practice – a component of lateral strategies.
However it would likely be enhanced if all practiced it, starting with not “disappearing” constructive criticism if directed at “self”.
We are all fallable and could learn from each other, including understanding in “the land of the free” criticism is often used as a bludgeon to maintain “concensus”.
Apology is not always giving others an opportunity to abuse you.
Excellent attitude. In that arrangement, nobody will cheat or be neglectful, hoping to cover up or lie his way out of it if caught. Ir is a non-corrupt and anti-corruption arrangement, where honour counts.
I’m on page 125 of Khazin’s online book, and I’ve never learned so much from any source. Especially about the international banking cabal & how it operates THROUGH THE IMF! I had no idea. I thought I new everything about it decades ago.
The history parts read like a novel. I highly recommend it.
If you read it you will understand the difficulties of Russia’s getting out of the dollar system, and having the capital to invest in Russia.
[pdf] Rouble Nationalization – the Way to Russia’s Freedom by Nikolay Starikov
Thank you Saker for that further “detail” — more like the essence.
Penelope ! this book,is it by Khazin or Starikov…I ordered the latter’s book, maybe they wrote it together…great…I’m amazed that you like it so much, you seem to already know so much about economics…I don’t know if I’ll understand it..is it 500+ pages ?
Yes, I think both these men are so wonderful..Kadyrov has more than one wife I think. I also love that photo of him with the wolf. And I adore what he says about the wolf…that it is the only predator that shows itself openly to its prey before it attacks. And that its eye contact is so much a prominent part of its announcement of its presence. And that it is the only predator that will go for something much larger than itself. I love wolves. Something else I heard is that there is not one instance of a wolf attacking a human adult in NA…something like that.
Penelope,
Do you mean Starikov’s book? Also, where can this PDF be found?
Thanks.
Asia is big open space. There were one invasion after another so tribes were getting closer to each other and leaning to leader, big leader. Westerners look at Russia like backward place. But some tribes/nations voluntarily entered protection umbrela of Russia which allowed them survive. Some were conquered not for profit but for security to close highway for enemies. There is no template scenario and it goes from case to case. One must realize, that there was never slavery in Russia, Britain has history of enslaving own people from pre Roman era lasting till 19th century. In russia people think about freedom difetent way than westerners. For them freedom means autonomy and sovereignity= keep control over your biznis.
Sounds kind of like the ‘traditional’ relationship between the USSR and DPRK/Mongolia/Bulgaria…
Not to mention vassal state relations with any Empire
I have not had a chance to follow the news on the incident, but it seems to me there is nothing controversial here and any controversy is probably the usual smearing the Jewish/zionist run western media do about anything Russian. There is usually several negative propaganda pieces about Russia every time I visit one of the western “news” sites, such as Yahoo or Google (very aptly named, both).
By inventing such non-issues like this, the zios are doing their usual slight of hand of concealing their role in terrorism by creating an irrelevant and false controversy and drawing people’s attention to their propaganda so they wont notice the zionazi criminality. If they can create enough of a smokescreen, in addition to the ongoing demonising Russia campaign, maybe Israel can use it to terrorise more Palestinians under the radar. Get rid of Israel and its 5th element and one will destroy the glue holding western fascism together and preventing effective western counters to it.
вот так
@Ingrian:Sounds kind of like the ‘traditional’ relationship between the USSR and DPRK/Mongolia/Bulgaria…
Exactly! Just like Brezhnev and Kim Il-Sung.
You got it, bravo.
The Saker
A great photo of Putin and Kadyrov together.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-xCM-rw077BA/T-I_YSXHJ9I/AAAAAAAAAG8/SkIJ-MEb8fk/s1600/vladimir-putin-ramzan-kadyrov-2011-12-20-9-40-3.jpg
Anonymous: “One must realize, that there was never slavery in Russia” – what are you speaking about?
There was perfectly good slavery in Russia until Peter the Great, which was then replaced by serdom, which is basically also slavery. Based on http://www.ungift.org/doc/knowledgehub/resource-centre/2013/GlobalSlaveryIndex_2013_Download_WEB1.pdf , russia is still 6th world largest holder of slaves!
if Dostoevsky would read your analysis of the psychology of Russians and Chechens, he would say: “It’s a wrap!”
I’d like to see Kadyrov turned loose to deploy his men in Daghestan and clear out the terrorists permanently there.There are also several groups in Ukraine that have been helping Chechen terrorists to attack Russia.Kadyrov should be allowed to deal with them as well.
Uncle Bob
of course the complete opposite of the western ‘mindset’ which is about total control, distrust and fear, which is completetly self defeating as it undermines the very securtiy and stability they seek in the first place. Psycologically the US are a mess, see ‘reds under the beds’ everywhere and are so obsessed with ‘enemies’ that in fact they can’t exist in any real sense without them .. they are defined by their foe which means if they dont have any the sense of existential loss or nullification of their identity means they have to create enemies or cease to exist. This is a problem for the world.
Dear The Saker,
Thank you for this.
One of the biggest problems in the West is they see everything through their own cultural view point – they just don’t get other cultures or histories.Its their way or the highway.
Those imbeciles in the Rada who cheered these terrorists will now have the majority of Chechens against them…..you reap what you sow….
Rgds,
Veritas
In Russia there are slaves?
You’re talking about the rights of migrants?
These are different things. In the US and Europe, too, there are slaves.
That operation was pretty amateurish btw
5th may 2012.
the journalists of Channel One first met this man in 2008. At the time he was featured in the documentary “Plan Caucasus,” talking about the attempts of the western intelligence services in the early 1990’s to separate the Northern Caucasus and, in particular, Chechnya from Russia. Chechen by nationality, Berkan Yashar is now a Turkish politician, but in those years he was one of the ideologists of Johar Dudayev.
@Paul II, Penelope, Ann,
Rouble Nationalization: The Way to Russia’s Freedom by Nikolaj Starikov.
http://lit.md/files/nstarikov/rouble_nationalization-the_way_to_russia's_freedom.pdf
Here is an extract from the book:
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The founders of the Bank of Russia saw perfectly well what a key role it would play. And therefore they did their best to create several security levels. The first level is the law on the Central Bank. Among other things, it contains such amusing details as article 7: ‘Drafts of federal law and regulatory documents of the federal bodies of executive power concerning duties of the Bank of Russia and its performance shall be submitted to the Bank of Russia for approval‘. If you want to dismiss bankers through making amendments to the legislation – kindly submit the draft of the bill to them in advance.
Ramzan Kadyrov Dancing-Video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kNi3r6pLJQ
Ramzan Kadyrov says he will kill anyone who enters and tries to hurt Russia/Russians–Video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Oe_hYEJIDg
Below find a video on an interview with Kadyrov to confirm with what Saker has said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7xZiwVobjI
Chechnya: Republic of Contrasts (RT Documentary)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e84rNrhv8yk
Regards,
Carmel by the Sea
Regards,
Carmel by the Sea
Xalexey – no i dont mean cotton picking. i mean modern slavery like human trafficing, forced prostitution etc. And as you can see, Rurria is not doing very well in that.
But my main point was, that – yes there used to be slavery in russia for a long time in history.
Anonymous @ 05 December, 2014 11:44
“This is a problem for the world.”
No it is an opportunity.
Because for some of you there was such disbelief when a recent Saker article suspected the govt of causing the ebola outbreak I’d like to share this. By the way, Kenya doesn’t manufacture its own vaccines. Kenya: in a statement released November 11th, the Kenya Catholic Doctors Association found the HCG antigen (it causes miscarriages) in a tetanus vaccine being used to innoculate 2.3 million women and girls under a World Health Organization / UNICEF program sponsored by Kenya’s government. The program is being applied only to women of child bearing age. Despite government denials the allegations are supported by Kenya’s Catholic Bishops. http://www.globalresearch.ca/why-the-genocides-continue/5418055
For the rest of these women’s lives every pregnancy will result in miscarriage. The last time I read about this agent being used it was in measles vaccine.
Selective blocking that took place earlier this week in California is widely believed to have been a dry run for a planned online news site blockade by the federal government during an upcoming “major event” where the government wants its official narrative to be the only information allowed to circulate. http://www.globalresearch.ca/online-alternative-news-sites-to-be-blacked-out-during-next-major-catastrophic-event/5418155
ANN: I do mean Starikov’s book
It’s online here [pdf] Rouble Nationalization – the Way to Russia’s Freedom by Nikolay Starikov
There is also an article by him
http://borisanisimov.blogspot.com/2010/10/nationalization-of-ruble.html
Both speak of all the difficulties of Russia’s getting free of the international banking cabal, which is enforced thru an IMF agreement.
I’m not at all sure that one country alone cane free itself; it would be better if several trading partners did it together. I believe the urgency of the current push for war against Russia is to prevent this.
The Starikov book doesn’t always load, but keep trying; it will when the site is less busy.
Wikipedia
Russian president Vladimir Putin responded in his annual speech that “these rebels have shown up in Chechnya again (…) I’m sure, the local law enforcement authorities will take proper care of them.”[8]
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According to Wikipedia Putin calls these terrorist rebels
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Grozny_clashes
If we go to offical page of the Russian president VVP he calls them terrorists
We remember well how and who, almost openly, supported separatism back then and even outright terrorism in Russia, referred to murderers, whose hands were stained with blood, none other than rebels and organised high-level receptions for them. These “rebels” showed up in Chechnya again. I’m sure the local guys, the local law enforcement authorities, will take proper care of them. They are now working to eliminate another terrorist raid. Let’s support them.
Let me reiterate, we remember high-level receptions for terrorists dubbed as fighters for freedom and democracy. Back then, we realised that the more ground we give and the more excuses we make, the more our opponents become brazen and the more cynical and aggressive their demeanour becomes.
http://eng.kremlin.ru/transcripts/23341
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Responsibility, will, determination, discipline, work, pride, honor, respect for self ….. and then to excellence.
In memory / honor of the Soviet skaters:
“It was designed for workers, for the entire population, starting from childhood, to understand that the USSR was different from the prevailing social systems, not only in social production but in the art. That there is also an aesthetic in work. a position to others, not only cover art, but give a reflection guideline, which after a goal, a shared effort is accomplished promote art in every person. “
http://amistadhispanosovietica.blogspot.com.es/2014/12/patinaje-artistico-sovietico.html
The Press House building was not empty. There was a man named Vladimir Vorobyev there because one of the organizations renting space there was the Association of Young Entrepreneurs. He had an exhibit with visitors from out of town going on and was there late.
When police used heavy weapons to fire on the building, they killed the insurgents and the building collapsed, killed Vorobyev. There were some other visitors were him and it’s not clear what their status is, but it seems only he was killed.
This type of relationship, the one described above between Putin and Kadyrov, is an evolutionary means of government. Sovereigns within the Sovereign, like Christians within the Christ, a mutual trust and recognition, a belief in one another as a path to freedom rather than subservience and helplessness. Russia is the spiritual future of mankind, and though China may man the engine economically, Russia will light the way toward our spiritual destiny.
What we are seeing now is the early stages of this process, the conflict between a changing gravity, and the shifts that necessarily come with such a change. Governments worldwide have become, on the whole, so corrupt and debased that they have sown the seeds of their own destruction. The unleashed weapon of electric mass communication as a double edged sword has tied the hands of its masters, the era of global transparency cannot be halted, and the truth has a very unique quality, it falls on the hearts of those who matter most.
Anon@22;25
If you study the history of Transcaucasia and especially Chechnya you can begin to understand why they have resisted Russian invasion and occupation for hundreds of years.
It seems that no matter how many times the Russians crush, murder and deport these people some will always resist the foreign Imperialist invader.
It is complicated. Their budget is largely funded by Russia; and they can keep their traditions, and to a large extend govern themselves. Also it gives peace, and a contemporary legal system, as opposed to tribal (tapes) or Sharia. But there were also two brutal wars, long history of resistance, and traditions are very different from Russian. Currently it is largely quiet and troublemakers are largely externally based; but also a lot is riding on particular personalities involved. The jury is out on how it will turn in the long run.
Wayoutwest said…
Anon@22;25
You f**** son of the b*****
Go to BBC or Russia Today to comment
Every single country in Europe is occupied by The Master of Chaos (USA).
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From The Yuriesfera blog, a blog for fans of Cosmonautics and the figure of Yura Gagarin (has lots of links) I extract a document dedicated to the USSR, “Yuri´s country”:
http://www.yuriesfera.net/documentos/el-pais/
Roscosmos tribute to Gagarin, Hero of the Soviet Union
“Yuri Gagarin, Hero of the Soviet Union, was a Soviet cosmonaut who on April 12, 1961 first traveled to outer space” … Video made by Roscosmos, astronautics agency of the Russian Federation, in honor of Gagarin and achievements pioneers of the Soviet space program. Sound by the Red Army Choir Band:
http://mytags.ru/video/fuxeRNtN160/tribute-to-yuri-gagarin-50th-anniversary-song-seed-by-russian-red-army-choir-hd/
elsi said…@ 05 December, 2014 22:32
” It was designed for workers”
For the religious you have likely highlighted “original sin” from 1903.
1. The workers can only form a trade union conciousness and hence the party must “act/design/lead” on their behalf.
2. For efficiency “democratic centralism” should be the practice of the party.
Reference : V.I. Lenin “What is to be done” although not direct quote, but paraphrase.
The Bolshevik’s replicated the “status quo” with different “actors”.
Even based much of “Soviet” industrial development on models such as Gary, Indiana.
The power of ideology, and part of why it is a war of transcendence.
Anonymous said…@ 06 December, 2014 10:16
” Every single country in Europe is occupied by The Master of Chaos (USA).”
There is an old French song by Serge Lama – C’est ne pas moi, c’est ma soeur – It not me its my sister.
Always someone else’s fault?
Anon@16
Russia is too much like the US they can only fight weak peoples and even after massive destruction those people rise up to resist the occupier.
I applaud when Russia stands up to the US Hegemon but I will never excuse their ugly treatment of the people they conquer.
Fyodorov (chair of russian parliament economic committee) on the fifth column entwined around russia still.
Russia’s Central Bank Hit by Accusations of Sabotaging the Ruble”
http://therebel.website/en/mike-king/818343-if-you-like-putin-you-ll-love-yevgeny-fyodorov
Though a loyal Putinist, Fyodorov has formed his own movement, the National Liberation Movement. In the wake of the mess in the Ukraine, Fyodorov’s NLM has swelled to 100,000 members, most of them young and very hard-core. There are branch offices in 260 cities throughout all of Russia’s 85 regions. No mealy-mouthed, punch-pulling, aging ‘Tea Partiers’ here. No sir. Fyodorov and his NLM are dead-serious about liberating not only Russia, but the whole world.
‘USA – hands off the Kievan Rus’. NLM protest outside US Consulate, St. Petersburg, May 2014. Photo: vk.com/nodspb
“All in all, it appears to me that these insurgents acted with a fantastic lack of tactical skills which is very uncharacteristic of Chechen fighters who (whatever side they are on) are usually formidable combatants.” Quote Saker
“During the operation to neutralize the 10 gunmen, 10 officers were killed and another 28 wounded. The National Anti-Terrorism Committee said ten militants were destroyed in the operation.” Quote Itar Tass
It appears to me that these insurgents acted in an one-way mission, and were well trained.
Dear anonymous senior strategist,
When I bring here references to examples of excellence of the people during the times of the former USSR, is not because I am a Marxist-Leninist, Stalinist (to define myself as such should first explore many texts for those have not had the time yet ) or even because I am in favor of any party discipline ( in fact I’m not part of either), but because, regardless of their mistakes or those who were ultimately behind that revolution, is undeniable the level of progress in such short time, and the level of empowerment of people in just a few decades, from servants to citizens aware of their own level of individual responsibility in the development of their country.
Just for that, I believe that justice must be done with those leaders, regardless of their last objectives and their errors, some serious.
I envision that this same understands Vladimir Vladimirovich tovarichsh, when referring to devote efforts to enhance the capabilities of young people so that every Russian young locate the field where he/she can be happy giving the best of him/herself, which facilitates undoubtedly the achievement of excellence.
Indeed, if I like Vladimir Vladimirovich tovarichsh is because he never forgets to ordinary people, he is aware that they are most among his citizens, and that’s where the strength of the Russian nation resides.
It was very nice touch congratulate farmers for the success of this year and also remember those who earn the least.
I think part of his success is, in one way or another, keep in touch with ordinary people, either through the Council of Civil Society or by some of his friends who retains from his student days.
Indeed, having lost contact with the public, not only underestimating but abandoning them to their fate, and become “caste” who enjoys all privileges while applying the most drastic cuts to the welfare of its citizens, leading many, increasingly, to misery, is at the origin of the breakdown of the entire model of Western civilization.
Putin is not, nor their efforts to maintain the sovereignty and dignity of Russians which will cause “the fall of the empire of the West”, but will be his own people, once awakened from slumber, which will end.
@Anonymous:“During the operation to neutralize the 10 gunmen, 10 officers were killed and another 28 wounded. The National Anti-Terrorism Committee said ten militants were destroyed in the operation.” Quote Itar Tass
It appears to me that these insurgents acted in an one-way mission, and were well trained.
No. First, they were detected by civilians while downtown, so much for discretion. Second, they did not have a clear target or, if they did, they could not reach it. Third, the figures of killed security personnel includes the road traffic cops whom the Chechens murdered before the security forces came in. Finally, the security forces had to get to the scene while the gunmen could prepare their fire positions. So no, I am really not impressed. The worst is that they all wasted their lives and their 20 IEDs for nothing. Even if it was a suicide mission, it was pathetic, they did not even detonate the IEDs they had.
Cheers,
The Saker
“@Ingrian:Sounds kind of like the ‘traditional’ relationship between the USSR and DPRK/Mongolia/Bulgaria…
Exactly! Just like Brezhnev and Kim Il-Sung.
You got it, bravo.”
LOL. What pretty clear is that Russians from Putin down to little people on the bottom, still dream a imperial dream. Why else with all those Tsar loving speech from top to bottom? I bet Ukraine and everyone else love to be part of Russian empire.
Too bad, empire cost a lot of money, and people, to hold even barren land. The west has return their occupied land, but not Russians who still dream a little imperial dream.
When you talk about wanting 20 year peace, have you ever thought about stop expansion, live withing your borders, and return robbed lands?
Also you threw your empire building soldiers – Cossack’s decedents in Novorussia under bus, why is that?
Dream your dream today, tomorrow will be fire lit under your bottom.
elsi said…@ 06 December, 2014 21:10
You apparently misunderstand.
The previous broadcast was about how replicating ideological norms of the previous regime from 1903 onwards explains a significant part of Soviet history.
This is understood by many in the present regime in Russia and informs their practice.
Your views apparently are based on a less informed view of Soviet history, which is understandable.
In light of your article, and past year following Novorussian crisis, I now finally also see the perspective of West narrative about Russian and Putin: Putin/Russian;s empire building ambition or wannabe.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/vladimir-putin/11277180/Vladimir-Putins-Novorossiya-may-mark-just-the-start-of-his-empire-building-ambitions.html
How many Russians I encountered are nostalgic about their Tsars? I usually discount random people I encounter, but for this article to appear here, and count North Korean, and Mongolia as part of Russian empire, I am surprise you did not count Chinese into it too.
It was stupid of Mao bought into let Mongolia independent for a UN seat, and let Stalin stolen a big chunk of Mongolia heart land in process. Also not long ago (30 years also), the last man fled Russian Empire army by swam across HeiLongjiang died. Russian came at the time Qing Dynasty was dying, as well as England and Portugal. England and Portugal had already returned the stolen Chinese land, but Russian still seating pretty.
So for the Russian want white Russia, why not return all those stolen land?
MClan “The streets are burning”:
They are outside burning,
the streets of this time,
It is dying outside,
the right…..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sAMxUEBDFc
M Clan “Calling Earth”:
I have seen a light ……
No sign of human life ……
lost in time,
lost in another dimension …..
Calling Earth
waiting for reply …..
I would go back …..
No news from the station …..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLjAU4LWCqI
“Capitalists, thieves work of others”:
http://www.cuestionatelotodo.blogspot.com.es/2014/12/capitalistas-ladrones-del-trabajo-ajeno.html
“The only way, the Revolution”:
http://espanol.llco.org/marchemos-por-este-camino-juntos/
Anonymous said…@ 06 December, 2014 23:48
” LOL. What pretty clear is that Russians from Putin down to little people on the bottom, still dream a imperial dream. Why else with all those Tsar loving speech from top to bottom? I bet Ukraine and everyone else love to be part of Russian empire.”
You appear to believe that the writer of the blog in some way represents the views of the present regime in Russia, representatives within that regime and the “Russian people”.
This hypothesis can be tested quite simply by comparing the blog’s strategic forecasts with outcomes.
The Brezhnev doctrine was being challenged within the KGB by the late 1970’s under the “roof” of Mr. Andropov.
From the early 1980’s onwards the present regime in Russia, representatives within that regime and the “Russian people” were given ample experience to catalyse lateral change.
As far as I am aware they have no wish to replicate the experience but will leave that to the opponents.
The views on multi-polar world, mutual respect, sovereignty and co-operation have been arrived at through harsh experience.
Dear The Saker,
I have to say the title for a portion of this article used on Russian Insider isn’t appropriate.
I see you have made the comment yourself but I think they should change it to respect your wishes. Using the word “feudal” doesn’t give the right impression at all!
Rgds,
Veritas
The attack in Grozny may have been a tactical failure but it does serve to inform the Russians that the resistance is still active. This seems to be a second-string operation while most of the A-Team is leading groups in the active struggle in the ME.
When these leaders return to Chechnya with support and personel from the Islamic State Russia and their Satrap will face a real challenge.
@Friend senior strategist:
You said,
-“The previous broadcast was about how replicating ideological norms of the previous regime from 1903 onwards explains a significant part of Soviet history”.
If you want to understand and learn, could you please develop a little more what I am transcribing above?
Please, friend, why rationing so much the information?
On the other hand, you said:
– …. the present regime in Russia …?
As I know it’s not a regime, but a govern democratically elected by the people ….
Regime is what you have today in The Ukraine….
I do not know but, I have doubts about who really your opponents are …..
Well, I think, Putin was simply polite as always. But He could hardly have been content with the outcome. 9 terrorists and TEN losses. They handled it as dumb as the terrorists. How is that possible when the army had them in a trap? Just wait and see. Like in judo – convert the adversary’s power into your own. Why didn’t they cover the doors at the front and the back with two MGs each and the roof too? How could they flee? I think a responsible officer has to protect his soldiers as best as he can – like his own sons. To loose ten men is horrible.
@Wayoutwest: you have already shown several times that you really know nothing about Chechnia. Why would you want to post such categorical statements based on nothing and about a region you know nothing about? You might want to stick to some topic you know at least a little bit about. But posting comments about topics you know nothing about just make you look silly.
My 2cts, cheers,
The Saker
Anonymous elsi said…@ 07 December, 2014 17:24
“As I know it’s not a regime, but a govern democratically elected by the people”
Perhaps it is a function of language.
Typically in the specific context in English, a regime would be the arrangements and organisations which constitute the state – some may extend this to include prevailing conceptual and social norms.
“I do not know but, I have doubts about who really your opponents are …..”
An opponent is a person and/or organisation which precludes achievement of your perceived aims/purpose.
No absolutes/essences exist only alloys, and life is interactive so change is constant, including the relative weights of the components within the alloys.
Change in the relative weights of components within the alloys can also be catalysed – these catalysts include propaganda.
Therefore opponents can be changed, they are not constants, but the effort and time expended to effect this change is a function of your strategy based on your purpose.
The opponents always try to contain change within a linear spectrum thereby continuing their advantages.
You will never achieve an absolute.
The key tactical question is what is the achievable critical mass at a specific moment to achieve your aims/purpose?
For example for a very short period in 1941 the propaganda of the Soviet Army was to try to turn members of the Wehrmacht by emphasising the community of interests of the international working class, but after evaluation this was rapidly changed almost exclusively to kill Germans.
Ideas have half-lives and you can carry unconciously ways of thinking and seeing that preclude achievement of your perceived aims, hence you can be your own opponent.
This is normally refered to as ideology.
Some on the blog have drawn attention to aspects of this, including binary thinking and the use of labels.
A barometer of ideological immersion can also be used.
For example what, if any, looting took place during the recent riots in Ferguson and what was looted?
Looting, pillage and rape are often used by the opponents for various ideological reasons.
Sucessful athletes realise that their most dangerous opponent are themselves.
Friend senior strategist,
The more I read you the more I feel bewilderment and more ignorant.
Could provide me some link or explain something about the Brezhnev doctrine? I find it very interesting.
You said to “that anonymous” ( ni caso, seems a provocative):
“From the early 1980s onwards the present regime in Russia, representatives within that regimegiven ample experience to catalyze lateral change”.
Could you please give an example for newbies like me?
Have mercy, many here we are not Russians, nor we are representatives of the current government, or we were too young to know at that time, and we want to learn and understand.
Tell me, please!
P.S: Please friend, when you talk about the current government in Russia, could you stop using the word “regime”? Sounds to me really bad.
Thank you, my friend,in advance for your attention, colaboration and explanations.
I am on tenterhooks!
Friend senior strategist,
To show you that I do my homework, it is all I could meet about Brezhnev doctrine:
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrina_Br%C3%A9zhnev
Friend senior strategist,
Look, Professor Monedero tells us that we must recover the government of words.
For example, regardless of the meaning that has in English, the very MSMs, mainly Anglosaxon, use the word “regime” to refere governments who want to overthrow, ie Venezuela, Cuba, Syria, Iran, and now Russia…. However they do not use the same word (if so neutral) to refer to the actual aberration that occurs in The Ukraine, or the Wahhabi regime of Saudi Arabia referred to as “kingdom”.
So, let’s see if we do not help them. The appropriation of words and attempt to change their meaning according suits oneself, is also propaganda.
Let you a video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9C-dJRp92wo
( Picc for subtitles in English )
“The views on multi-polar world, mutual respect, sovereignty and co-operation have been arrived at through harsh experience.”
In my view, the experience is not harsh enough. Putin, Your government, and countless Russians I encounter has been glorify your imperial expansion, sweat coating your self as good occupier, a saint.
If you really had or want to learn the lessons, instead of glorifying your dear Tsars, you’d be telling your people the true stories of atrocities of your soldiers/Cossacks, government committed in the many lands: Murder, arson, rape, and plundering. Only when people know the truth, the same tragedy can be prevented.
So while your people feel warm and fuzz about your Tsars, the rest of world hate their guts, and distrust you. If you know what really happened, you may have a chance understand why the world act as it is, and acting accordingly. As it stands now, there are not many Russian like you I encountered. Most of them are Tsar nuts. I am serious questioning if Russia is a trustworthy country.
There is a lot of talk about Chinese may back stabbing Russian, and as if Chinese owns Russian some thing, I suggest those people read the history and think again. It was Russian who back stabbed China, more than once. As near as end of world war 2, Russian army had committed mass rape in Manchuria. Words on the street was, Red Army was worse than Japaneses occupation force.
Chinese does not own you any thing, but you still own Chinese big piece of land among others.
Anonymous said…@ 07 December, 2014 21:25
elsi said…@ 07 December, 2014 22:18
” Sounds to me really bad.”
A blog is a broadcast medium, and regime is a technical term which has been defined in English. In different languages it would carry slightly different connotations.
The corrected quote was:
“From the early 1980’s onwards the present regime in Russia, representatives within that regime and the “Russian people” were given ample experience to catalyse lateral change.”
Precision is to be encouraged as should doubt. Certainty should be discouraged.
The purpose throughout is to encourage transcendence.
Fish are not only found in the supermarket but also in the sea – learn to fish and unlearn the sense of entitlement.
In context this would meet the purpose of encouraging transcendence.
Re “..from the early 1980’s onwards …”, you could cite almost the complete experience of the majority of those cited within the quote.
“Information” or “history” is the ex post facto “authoritisation” of a narrative of utility, and hence will always be an alloy of varying purity. Alloys of greater purity are seldom found in the public domain.
An example of a narrative of utility is – The West won the Cold War -even Stephen F Cohen wouldn’t try to sell that one.
With this caution in mind relevant entry points could include but not be limited to:
Yuri Andropov
Zinky boys
EU TACIS programme.
Jeremy Sachs and related Harvard University efforts.
MMM or perhaps listed under Mavrodi 1994 – a Ponzi scheme par excellence the author gaining immunity by becoming a Duma member.
EBRD in Russia.
1994 US senate foreign committee on Russia including evaluation of USAID.
Agreement to negotiate on czarist bonds 1996 if memory serves.
Secondary banking crisis 1998 in Russia – Russian default including Credo Bank, Inkombank, Kussbassos Bank, Mossbusinessbank, etc.
Try to avoid potential red herrings such as Anna Politkovskaya and Alexander Litvinenko for example. Too convoluted.
However the following are always key:
1. The key tactical question is what is the achievable critical mass at a specific moment to achieve your aims/purpose?
2. Rigorously test hypotheses.
On the Brezhnev doctrine this should be available in newspapers and materials from say 1968 onwards – Prague Spring etc then August 1968, but may not yet be called that until 1972 or so, when Vietnam was “lost” probably mislaid it, used as an ideological cloak/raison d’etre for Chile, Angola, Argentina 1976 etc.
Kissinger might be an interesting start point on putting blame on others for your own deeds although you could go back to the foundation of “The Republic”.
The US and Soviet Union/Russia have been at war – which requires definition – since at least 1944 – Suslov always argued for the Hoover famine mission in 1922.
The Brezhnev doctrine is what the opponents are now accusing Russia of in 2014, although not calling it that.
Good fishing if that is what you want to do – you decide.
elsi said…@ 07 December, 2014 23:00
” The appropriation of words and attempt to change their meaning according suits oneself, is also propaganda.”
I have defined my terms. It is the opponents who do not define their terms.
Words become “labels” or kabuki masks against which attention/hate is focused to dissipate energy, focus and potential challenge.
Some initial works include Roland Barthes and Armand Matelaart – various works.
Thanks a lot, friend, when I find a moment, I will start with any of the items you indicate me.
I think I will take some time …..
You overwhelm me with your knowledge ……
If it is not indiscretion (if so, excuse me, and simply do not answer), you’ve been part of any Russian government in a previous era?
Now is an hour for me to go to sleep….
Spokoynoy nochi , ser!
elsi said…@ 08 December, 2014 01:58
On caution and logic aphorisms.
A person with an instant answer is usually a fool.
The world is not binary, but laterally inter-dynamic.
“Knowledge” therefore is social and laterally inter-dynamic.
There are no “experts” only practitioners testing hypotheses, hopefully for a perceived purpose
which will develop laterally.
There is no winning or losing, only momentary positions.
Complex questions are unlikely to have simple “answers”.
Outside omniscience no “answers” exist, only some elements of subsequent questions.
Cui bono infers agency and is a good invitation to obfuscation.
If it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck, walks like a duck – then it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck, and walks like a duck.
Don’t over-extrapolate or over-extend past the data and/or your skills.
Beware of mental mapping, especially mapping of definitions, expectations, and methodologies.
Don’t try to fill gaps or silences with noise – enjoy the tranquility.
Doubt is a catalyst for lateral change. Filling doubt is a catalyst for linear change.
Anonymous said…@ 08 December, 2014 00:23
elsi said…@ 07 December, 2014 23:00
Words can be sounds, including but not necessarily restricted to lullabies and growls.
elsi said ..@ 08 December, 2014 01:58
Chess is a game for lawyers; go a game for people with long nails.
Johnny von Neumann and Curtis le May are dead; the Emperor’s ass looks big in almost everything.
People are material – they don’t necessarily represent anything.
Thank you Saker for the insight! This type of “trust” is typical of Russia, I must say. Never heard of anywhere else trusting this way ^^
Friend senior strategist,
Well, I’ve been reading a lot, but at tha same time a little on every subject you proposed.
-I need to read a copy of “Zinky boys” I’ve found on the net (about 11 pages, can be all?).
-On The Prague Spring and the Velvet Revolution (amazing find Shirley Temple as ambassador there during this event !, then I could also be an ambassador ….), although at first claims seemed fair and reasonable, only see fulminate entry into NATO, after the subsequent fall of communism, and one has the feeling of “dejá vu” retrospective in relation to the most recent “springs”, I have witnessed. I see the hand of US and transnational capital US / EU everywhere.
-On EU TACIS Programme and EBRD in Russia, see the hand of the banksters in the dismantling of the USSR and in those “structural funds”, the origin of some “meteoric fortunes” and probable enslavement by generations of Russian people if had not been by Comrade Vladimir Vladimirovich´s swerve.
– About Yuri Andropov, seemed a very smart and very knowledgeable, and I understand that, at that time, had to tread a thousand eyes and take drastic measures, but … the idea of Psychiatric Hospitals seems a horror ….
-On Mavrodi and his MMM, another “smart”unscrupulous to list. ( Was Vladimir Vladimirovich responsible for his downfall? )
-On Inkmobank I have not very clear that some oligarchs (Gusinsky, Khodorkovsky) supported him on his support to Luzhkov and then Berezhovsky contributed to his downfall. Like many other cases in Russia, I do not understand how a person can go from active member of the Komsomol and Communist Party to banker. As I see it, or you are communist or banker, the two are incompatible. The typical case “go to the most heated sun” we say around here, to stay afloat. About the other banks have not found anything. But I read about the banking crisis of 1998 ….
– About Jeremy Sachs, figured you meant the illustrious Jeffrey Sachs, “Doctor Shock”, well known in Latin America and Polland. I already knew his adventures by Naomi Klein’s excellent book “The Shock Doctrine”. Someday burn in hellfire.
-I also read about the famine of 1922. I understand the important role of the Anglo-Saxon powers in the development of the Russian Civil War, leaving an exhausted nation after two consecutive bloody wars and so ready for the request of “humanitarian intervention”….
– I need to read something about the agreement to negotiate Czarist bonds in 1996 and the 1994 US senate committee on foreign Russia Including evaluation of USAID.
For now I’ll leave.
424 said…@ 08 December, 2014 15:13
There is a collective leadership in Russia based on real mutual trust and long mutual experience.
On various ocassions the possibility of re-locating the contents of the mausoleum out front was discussed.
” Like many other cases in Russia, I do not understand how a person can go from active member of the Komsomol and Communist Party to banker. “
Some say some of the nomenklatura “bought” new clothes.
In 1993 you could register a bank for approximately USD 250, yes 3 digits, and about USD 1,000 in lets call them commissions subject to blat, capital requirements being mobile.
I can call myself an elephant but it does not make me one.
To understand Komsomol and “communists” at parties or otherwise engaged, you need to understand relationships in the Soviet economy and the difference between the juridical and the actual.
To understand the apparent transition you mention, in addition to the above you need to understand many other things.
That is a long and convoluted process with much of the information closed, and prying may not neccessarily be conducive to continued well-being.
So perhaps learn to embrace doubt.
On Mr. Sachs I see his parents made more than one mistake – should have called him Jeremy –
that was his nickname as in Jeremiah.
On networks the connection Sachs, Harvard University, no bid contracts, USAID and Senate hearings should illuminate.
On zinky boys it is useful to understand who they were ( the song I ain’t no senator’s son may resonate), why zinc and where they became zinky boys.
Always try to make your own research to test hypotheses.
You are off fishing so that is me done.
Anonymous said…
Anonymous said…
CIA Wall St Inc: “Strip Baby, Strip!”
The “Financial Intelligence Complex” @ Work ….06 December, 2014 13:02
Back to an old shell game?
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1996-11-28/news/9611280180_1_czarist-bonds-russian-bonds-french-bond
Likely to lead to disappointment.
06 December, 2014 15:30