Note by the Saker: the following was sent to me by a person I know but who decided to write under an alias. When I asked my contact how sure he was of his info, he replied: “Well the source in xxxxxxx does have connections (ex-military intelligence) and it is also surely logical that they would. I can do no better than that.” This means that the source is unknown and that the information itself is unsupported by other sources. Normally I would not post such info, but I have had several contact asking me about this and expressing similar hypotheses. Besides, the article does ask the right questions, So I will post it anyway, but please, caveat emptor.
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by Balkan Visitor
To which neighbouring country (Russian target) did the Americans hastily ship the majority of their huge nuclear arsenal in Nato’s giant Incirlik Airbase in Turkey? Prime candidates would be either Bulgaria or Kosovo.
Bulgaria had no Russian bases in Soviet times, but now has a number of US ones and is already in increasing danger at a time of growing Cold War 2.0 tensions. If Washington moved nukes into the country without the government’s permission, it would be a display of arrogance that could cost the USA dear.
But to use the huge US base in Kosovo would be to put the weapons just a few miles form major concentrations of armed Jihadists, surely unwise even by Washington’s standards of recklessly or deliberately sending weapons to places from which they are promptly seized by Al Qaeda or ISIS.
And how many of the 90 missiles did they even manage to spirit out of the country before President Erdogan, shocked by the fair-weather (dis)loyalty of his American allies stopped them moving out the rest?
For that was surely the purpose of the mass blockade by 5,000 Turkish nationalists, power cuts, and the sealing off of the whole base by 7,000 heavily armoured Turkish troops.
However many nukes are left, they certainly now form extra bones of contention between Ankara and Washington. This will, on balance, probably move the world’s nuclear Doomsday Clock back a minute, with anything that weakens the Nato encirclement of Russia making Planet Earth a slightly safer place.
Conversely, there is also the outside risk that, if Erdogan really goes into full chimp-out mode, he might send troops in to seize the remaining warheads and turn his spinning top new Ottoman Empire into a nuclear power overnight. Each of the B-61 bombs has a 170 kiloton yield – more than ten times the force of the Bomb which destroyed Hiroshima (incidentally, together with Nagasaki, the city that was home to the most Orthodox Christians in Japan at the time)
Even though it might have problems with also coming up with delivery systems, that really would be the law of Unintended Consequences hitting home in spectacular fashion. Interesting times!
http://aa.com.tr/en/politics/turkey-signals-joint-defense-plan-with-russia/625918
By Satuk Bugra Kutlugun
AUG 10
ANKARA
Turkey and Russia will establish a joint military, intelligence and diplomacy mechanism, Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu said Wednesday.
Speaking at Anadolu Agency’s Editors’ Desk, Cavusoglu said the previous day’s meeting between Presidents Recep Tayyip Erdogan and Vladimir Putin had paved the way for closer ties following a nine-month freeze after the shooting down of a Russian warplane.
“The officials will go to St. Petersburg tonight,” Cavusoglu said. “Our delegation will consist of foreign ministry [personnel], the Turkish Armed Forces, along with our intelligence chief.”
Cavusoglu said meetings will be held at ministerial level.
Combine this with Saudis’ proxy nukes:
http://bit.ly/2aowEYX
and you have a perfect nightmare.
All supposition and not a lot of substance. The base was on lock down for quite a period of time as well as a no fly zone. The nukes most likely are still at the base.
New acronym his excellency requests you memorize.
aug 10
Targeting the supporters of U.S.-based Fetullah Gulen that the government has said are responsible for the July 15 attempted coup, the president said the backers of Gulen’s group — the Fetullah Terrorist Organization (FETO) — would be exposed.
“No organization can preserve its power without financial substructure,” he said in a speech to business leaders from his palace in Ankara.
“It is a must for us to clear FETO from the business world, as we root out FETO in the armed forces, judiciary, police and other institutions.”
Erdogan said the nation was determined to stamp out FETO members alongside other terrorist organizations such as the PKK and Daesh, while making no concessions on the principles of democracy or the rule of law.
http://aa.com.tr/en/politics/erdogan-to-root-out-gulenists-in-turkish-businesses/626193
I doubt any were moved, excepting the one provision below. They were likely locked down even tighter than usual. Trying to move them would have exposed them to much greater danger of being nabbed–a huge NoNo in the protocols for handling such weapons. If the attempted coup was orchestrated by the Outlaw US Empire and it feared for the safety of its nukes, then prudence dictates they would’ve been moved before the attempt was made, not during.
I doubt that.If they did send them to Bulgaria I think the Bulgarians would know about it. Kssovo,I agree with the writer on. Even for the US that would be too stupid a move. I also am not sure on the numbers. RT says there are 53 in Turkey,not 90. So that is a wide difference in numbers. I also doubt that Turkey would try to stop them from removing them if they decided to. That would be an extremely serious situation. And I doubt Erdogan would dare make that move.It is a good question though. Are the bombs still there. Or have they been removed. Considering the unstable conditions in Turkey. And that jihadis enter and leave whenever they feel like it. Its foolish if the US does keep/have them there.
Wonderful addition to the other comments written by you or not, you post. It reads like a post written by a frequent writer for the Oriental Review.
And, considering the obedience to real news silence orders from Washington I can think of nothing more important to be in published news world wide.
Sometimes one is able to post on from this blog on Facebook but the new addition to this Apple Macbook Pro means that Chrome, a direct line to the US NSA, can be used to stop news publishers dead. Perhaps the power of this blog can be used to keep open the informational doors the US under a Clinton Presidency would slam shut or else by having a link to the social media built right into it?.
The question I’ve always had is: why are there 90 nukes in Turkey anyway? What’s the justification? When were they put there?
Exactly so!. The basis of the Cuban Missile Crisis was nukes based in Turkey, so the USSR returned the favor. The agreement to end the crisis was no nukes in Cuba or Turkey. And true to form, nukes are back in Turkey.
They are there to intimidate/threaten Russia.
Surely the weapons would be flown out, meaning the ground blockade for a few days would have nothing to do with blocking the nukes? Same for power cuts. US has their own power in the base so cutting power is nothing more than sending a message?
I agree with those who think this seems unlikely. From what little I’ve read, the protocols around nukes are a world of their own – which is somewhat reassuring – and not lightly played around with. Just as the Turks couldn’t cut the power to the nukes, or indeed the US part of the base, even they as a sovereign nation couldn’t get to the nukes without violating inviolable agreements, killing US soldiers who are not about to grant access to anyone outside of their own command, and having a genuine war with the US on their hands.
Nukes are simply that serious. Best guess is that the nukes are still on base, very tightly locked down.
To speculate a little, when they move – which may be years from now – it almost seems that it would be publicly acknowledged, although obviously for security the relocation itself would happen as secretly as possible. Rather like recalling an ambassador or severing relations, removing the nukes sends a definite message and constitutes a definite change in relationship. Re-establishing them in another location would also send a message. I don’t think the US would fail to take these opportunities to control their narrative.
Finally, the nukes are useless to Turkey. It has no delivery system. And to hold them simply as hostage would make Turkey the pariah of the world, including in the eyes of Russia, Iran and China. One terrorist group with a suitcase bomb one day could pose a great threat to someone, I have always heard it said. But a nation possessing a bunch of nukes that it can’t deliver and probably doesn’t even have the knowledge to handle correctly – codes and such – seems like more of a huge burden than an asset.
“…killing US soldiers who are not about to grant access to anyone outside of their own command.”
The same command who told NORAD to stand down on Sept. 11, 2001?
If those nukes fall into foreign hands, then the US .gov is complicit.
It will be sold via the MSM as a crime by nefarious evil doers, and the sheeple will nod and bleat their agreement without a single critical thought.
What is the current status? Base still blockaded as it was last weekend? Flights going out? No news published in us on the topic.
Not
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/zz334#a9b3047
It is completely foolish and ignorant for u.S to even put nukes that close to Russia. In this 21st century, we are not living in Nagasaki era. Those nukes in turkey will in turn be used against u.S when the time comes because it’s just the perfect distance to use. Meanwhile you want to fire a nuke from turkey to Russia. U.S must be crazy. It will be shut down in mins not seconds.
What even made the crazies in u.S put nukes in turkey.With this info, I am guessing there are nukes in other NATO basses as well. The current Hitler of the 21st century, the crazies in u.S gace finally lost every sense of human.
It’s sad really to see how the table turns around so quick. The world is now aware of how devilish this empire of chaos is.
Erdogan’s Wet Firecracker, NATO’s Damp Squib…
http://johnhelmer.net/?p=16253
Perhaps the best way to see where Erdogan is heading is to look at his voter base. Strongly pro Syrian jihadist/al Nusra, very strongly anti Kurd, then anti Syrian government, anti US, anti Russian due to Russia backing the Syrian government.
If the US were to dump the Kurds and openly back al Nusra, then it would be likely that Erdogan would quickly turn against Russia and work with the US again.
nuclear weapons dont exist. it s a hoax folks . wake up and dont fall for that bs
with respect
Thank you for the reams of evidence and links you have provided to document your reassuring comment. “Don’t worry, be happy!” Right?
Make up your own reality out of the ether and leave the PTSB (Powers That Shouldn’t Be) entirely uninterfered with. Got it. Thanks for the morning laugh to go with my coffee.
The Turkish nuke problem is the most interesting and least talked about issue in MSM of the current Turkish saga unravelling in front of us. The number of those in Incirlik mentioned varies from 50 to 90, the most probable number prior to the unsuccesful coup being 50 under US control and 40 under Turkish army contrlol (2nd biggest NATO army). Together with those Italy, Germany, Belgium…that makes about 3-400 tactical nukes for the European war theater with the maximal yield of 3-4000 Hiroshima &Nagasaki bombs, to be used against “rouge” states. Not counting the 300 or so Israeli, unknown number of Saudi, those stationed on US aircraft carriers and Aegis cruise missile destroyers, UK, French submarines, etc.etc. And not counting the Russian nukes (we will limit this recount only to the tactical nukes and not count the strategic ones).
Quite impressive.
The B12..s have to be attached to specially modified F16 planes for delivery to the rogues, since these devices are rather heavy. Perhaps contigency plans were made for the evacuation of the nukes under Turkish army control. Thus the issue of the 40 dissappeared helicopters that were mentioned the first week after the unsuccessful coup. Were they transport helicopters capable of lifting such weight? One bomb per helicopter. The NATO, Russian and probably Serbian army air control authorities know where those helicopters went, and in this way disarmed the Turkish army of its most important arms asset. The 50 nukes under the control of US forces (7000?) in Turkey are still there (under siege:). And thus the arrest of the general in charge of the Incirlik air base, and most of the Turkish air force command.
Very interesting and eddifying.
Imagine all the hush-hush powvow going on amongst the NATO top brass.
According to wikipedia, about 700kg per bomb. several could be loaded on a helicopter.
700 pounds not kilos (320 kg), and yes, theoretically easily carried by a helicopter -if secured.
And how would Turkey or anybody else who got their hands on those Nukes even use them? Don’t they require launch codes, aren’t nukes protected by most advanced systems to prevent unauthorised launch?
Unless they would simply go for the nuclear material itself to be used in new nukes or dirty bombs.
You might want to read “Command and Control” by Eric Schlosser and see how the US military has always successfully resisted any controls. From their viewpoint any control lessens the weapon’s reliability and functionality, particularly with respect to responding to an attack in the small window of time available before incoming ballistic missiles destroy everything -Washington, command infrastructure, silos, airfields etc.
There were, and probably still are, no ‘launch codes’ for nuclear bombs carried by aircraft as these only applied to silo based ballistic missiles. Just an arming switch in the cockpit -so a rogue crew could easily start WWIII. Any ‘launch code’ transmission could be blocked plus communication with all these NATO countries could be problematic at best.
That said the ancient B-61 appears to have a ‘destruct ‘ feature if you know whch of the 1000 permutations the 3 digit code is. If it is anything like the extra safety code for ballistic missiles it will be just all zeroes. A good thing in this case.
If you can believe Wiki:
“The B61 also features a “command disable” mechanism, which functions as follows: after entering the correct 3-digit numeric code it is then possible to turn a dial to “DI” and pull back a T-shaped handle which comes away in the user’s hand. This action releases a spring-loaded firing pin which fires the percussion cap on an MC4246A thermal battery, powering it up. Electrical power from the thermal battery is sufficient to “fry” the internal circuitry of the bomb, destroying critical mechanisms without causing detonation. This makes the bomb incapable of being used. Any B61 which has had the command disable facility used must be returned to Pantex for repair.[20]”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B61_nuclear_bomb
Not many months ago Obama feared that “ISIS may get control of nuclear weapons”. In today’s doublespeak, usually what’s “feared” means that it’s planned. I bet “ISIS suddenly gained a couple of fission scientists through the black market”. A couple of dirty bombs might be enough to create a European Pearl Harbor for example to complete the formation into a military dictatorship and a fully effective US buffer zone. To me this has always been in the cards but they just have lacked ways to finish the job, which is why the fate of these nukes are of special interest.
This whole Erodgan issue is very confusing to me…
No one is allowed to have good relations with Russia and stay inside NATO, because the Empire fears it can be contagious, it sends a very bad message to all NATO members..
1. Either Erdogan is trying to play and benefit with both US and Russia as long as he can survive, possibly in a wait and see situation at least until the US elections
or
2. Erodgan is serious about leaving NATO in the future, in that case how will he survive defying the alliance ?
Russia wants to benefit from any partnership it can get, even if it is a NATO member and this makes sense….and I assume Russia has guarantees or plan B’s if this partner backs down or attempts to stab Russia in the back……question is if Erdogan can actually be trusted ?
But if Erdogan seriously tries to leave the alliance, I do not see how he can stay alive without the alliance attempting to instigate a civil war or even attempting to kill him (as with Qaddafi)…..and now that I just thought about Erodgan’s death……..
…..what will happen to Turkey in the middle and long term (assuming these leaders stay alive in the short term) if Turkey’s longest serving leader dies ? …Such a question can by the way also be asked about Russia’s Putin…
And do any of these questions even matter if Hilary Clinton is elected in exactly 3 months time…….and the clock is ticking very very quickly now
The deluded euromaniacs are still dreaming of Turks joining EU albeit they probably vision it happening under a US puppet. I think the drift between EU/USA and Erdogan is now real and irreparable. What the EU/USA goal here is, is to replace the leadership and then bring it back to fold. This will be attempted by civil war first and after that fails, through direct assassination.
Erdogan is no Qaddafi, but this only holds true if he can make a deal with Russia to support him by various means, which basically means foiling EU/USA civil war and assassination plans as they come alone. Otherwise EU/USA will eventually succeed. The question now to me is whether Erdo understands it or not. He’s an egomaniac but not stupid in terms of self-preservation as we have seen countless of times. On Russian pov they would be very happy to see one less potential EU/USA puppet in the region. So I see no reason why both wouldn’t be willing to play along this script. Of course, as always in this mad world Russians need to tread carefully.
If I had to take a guess as to where the nukes went, if anywhere, it’d be Cyprus as America’s lap dog (the UK) has several bases there and it’s not far from Incirlik.
Also, if I’m not mistaken, the US evacuated dependants from the base back in April. This suggests that there was some sort of intel about a threat to the base. The nukes may have been moved long before the coup, especially if it was a CIA boondoggle as claimed by the Turkish government.
In fact, they could have all been moved on a C-17 flight without anybody being the wiser, especially if they replaced the real nukes with inert B-61 shaped bomb casings.
As I understand it, Erdogan’s aircraft was being followed by two or three Turkish rebel aircraft intent on shooting him out of the sky.
The reason they did not is that they were not only locked on to by S400 radar at Heymim airbase, but also were themselves being closely followed by armed Russian planes who politely informed their partners (Turkish rebel pilots), that if they made any attempt to shoot down Erdogan they themselves would be destroyed by the Russians.
This element of the attempted coup has not been reported in the West for obvious reasons. It is indicative, however, just how closely Russia was not only following events but also how they influenced the outcome to the detriment of the coup planners.
Taking this in to account, and considering the FSB face to face meeting with Erdogan just prior to the coup where the lists of traitors were supplied, and upon which he is now acting, I am inevitably drawn to the conclusion that Russian military intelligence today knows the exact numbers and locations of these bombs.
More than likely they are still in situ. I don’t think helicopters were used to move them but rather helicopters were much more likely carrying fleeing CIA terrorists and their traitorous Turkish colleagues to safe zones.
Nukes in Turkey and Pakistan and (possibly) Saudi Arabia as well as Isreal make for a lethal powder keg of disaster. No wonder Russia has drawn the Paks toward their trading block. Israel and the Saudis can read the writing on the wall…Clinton is even less trustworthy than Obama thus a change of allegiance to Russia is the only viable long term option.
With the collapse of the Muslem tummy in the US surrounding of Russia and China that leaves only NATO in Europe, South Korea and Japan.
The US world hegemony is unravelling before our eyes and short of all out war there is nothing the US can do to prevent it.
Syria was not a line in the sand. It was the fulcrum point on which the US hegemony destroyed itself. And Putin was the clever politician that saw in this something more. He turned what appeared to the Pentagon to be only a dubious tactic into a decisive strategem.
As the old English saying goes, ‘give him enough rope and he’ll hang himself’! In other words, be patient, let the arrogant US do what it wants without let or hindrance, and sure enough ultimately it will hang itself by its own stupidity.
The US has just publically hung itself across the entire Moslem world for all to see, and there is no turning back. Rothchild’s CIA has stretched its own neck with its own rope. QED.
The nukes are well watched and most probably have been lost to the Russians forever.
Erdo still not feeling any love coming his way since the coup, so, time for an ultimatum.
Time for US to Choose between Gulen and Turkey: Erdogan
August, 11, 2016 – 14:36
TEHRAN (Tasnim) – The United States must choose between siding with a democratic Turkey or the US-based businessman Fethullah Gulen, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said in an address to a huge crowd in Ankara.
Erdogan’s comments came after repeated requests by Ankara for the extradition of Pennsylvania-based Fethullah Gulen, who is accused of orchestrating the failed coup on July 15.
On Tuesday, it was reported that a former Turkish military officer, on a US-based assignment for NATO, was also seeking asylum in the country after being recalled by Ankara in the wake of last month’s attempted coup. While Erdogan made no specific mention of that report, the development had the potential to strain ties between Turkey and the US further.
http://www.tasnimnews.com/en/news/2016/08/11/1155040/time-for-us-to-choose-between-gulen-and-turkey-erdogan
Many who paid attention from the start is ZH is a known purveyor of this Anadolu Turk “news service” , rather strange when he spouts off from NYC, & most of his articles posted there are just leftover business/financial research from the hedge funds he fronts for.
So how does he claim to know anything what’s going on 5000 miles away?
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-08-11/erdogan-threatens-abandon-us-dollar-trade-russia
Explicitly US nukes already are in foreign hands. Check the date in the piece, it is dated.
It is later, than You think.
http://rense.com/general83/being.htm
Well… talk about a blowback…!
On the other hand, if Erdo seriously entertained leaving nato, he’d be quickly done away with… messing w nukes is above his (and any turkish leader) pay grade…
All military structures are formed by obedience to a hierarchical structure of obedience with some small measure of individual initiative – this is all despised, but necessary. Taking initiative in such structures is very dangerous.
Gadgets are surrounded with a intense set of protocols. They expected the coup to work because no one would point out the flaws…no one risked initiative…
I therefore doubt that anybody took the initiative to move them – think of the risks! But if you follow protocol your career is “safe”… do the math. The gadgets are still there.
I smell disinformation… Recall that all war is based on deception.
What does this, if it’s so, tell us, what does it suggest? Is obvious.
Consider the “options” – suppose there was to be a gadget triggered…who’d be blamed? Of course the psychological ground would have to be prepared…
I bet that’s what’s being done here…a soft preparation for another campaign in the war? War?
Yes, W3, to be precise.
If the nukes were not moved already, they soon will be:
In my second response I add that after WW1, the US leaders and oligarchs at the time expressed the desire to take over warring Europe and to teach it how to maintain peace at the same time taking over it’s cultural and historical riches, intellects and and ability to innovate, regenerate itself, not unlike the human ability to heal itself and change naturally genetically to pressures to it’s existence.
I.E. own life itself as the majority of American inhabitants originated in that same Europe. The ongoing genocide of the American Indian nations simply were not even an afterthought, true in 2016 as the wars prove, all the Asian, South American, African, and 99% of all ethnic groups are US Western considered dispensable. Mrs. William Clinton and her ex-US President husband are expensive advertisements of who this genocidal belief system allows to be heard then lauded as leaders of it.
Within less that one generation, or 25 years, America had funded the next world war, number two, WW11, so the bankrupt criminally insane leader and planner of it, Adolf Hitler, could begin the global ethnic cleansing the US oligarchs all believed in 100%.As de Toqueville at 17 years old had declared upon travelling around vast warring America, I N T G R E T Y was, still is, a dirty word not allowed ever acted upon or death ensued. Still true in 2016 USA.
This easy method of believing in US exceptionalism at the point of a gun and several Atom bombs besides, has been in seconds turned upside down, inside out as the President of Turkey, key USA global takeover plans enabler, turns to the US pretended worst foe, ancient, law abiding, better armed, Russia in response to US genocidal moves to destroy, take over, Islamic Turkey under the pretence of respecting her.
What in the long and short run does this mean seems the nugget of this post. Something I suggest cannot be accessed without bringing up the actual history behind it. As actual world and US history have been either just eliminated and/or rewritten by US NSA owned Google in the years since the end of WW11, American world history can no longer be trusted if it originates in USA! A graphic illustration of this in US secret Foreign Policy, see all the US efforts to force the world not to go to Russia for the celebration in Moscow of the Russian end to WW11 recently, as well as trying to destroy the global respecting Olympic Games by banning any Russians!
Where can provably correct historical records be found then? Assuredly the US will be destroying them or will already have done so. Speed of search might be wise.
EurActi.com a few hours ago:
“Prime candidates would be either Bulgaria or Kosovo.”
The anonymous ‘well-informed’ source who passed on this, especially the above-liasted opinion, is either completely misinformed or aiming to spread misinformation.
Even without confirmation it stands to reason and common sense that the best option for the US is Deveselu–the US base in Romania.