First, I have to tell you that I don’t know when or where this video was shot. I would say that it is very recent and that it was show somewhere outside the combat zone. It seems to show a Ukie column stopped on the side of a highway which is being approached by civilians offering the exhausted soldiers some water and beginning a conversation. The rest is self-explanatory (make sure to activate the “cc” option to see the English subtitles).
You will notice that at one point the conversation centers around three, possibly four, destroyed brigades which might be interpreted as 10’000 dead Ukies. The brigades are the 72nd, 79th, 24th and 25th. When the civilian asks again how many people were killed, the soldiers answer “go figure!”.
Now, that kind of roadside “interview” does not prove anything, much less so that 10’000 Ukies died or that 4 Ukie brigades were wiped out. But it does show that this is what these Ukies soldiers believe, that the “military rumor mill” on the Ukie side is all about doom and gloom and not about how “we are just about to liberate Donetsk and Lugansk from the terrorists”. Notice also the utter contempt for their commanders and the reference to a completely broken chain of command.
I will also say that reports of that kind are shown every day on Russian TV and on the Russian blogosphere and Internet. I wish somebody had the time to parse YouTube and make a long video of all the many short video reports showing masses of burned down Ukie armor and desperate, disgusted and depressed Ukie soliders (btw – 17 more crossed into Russia today).
On the Resistance side ALL I saw is videos of bombed buildings, killed civilians, and massive artillery strikes from the Ukie positions. I have yet to see a single video showing a destroyed Resistance unit. Mind you – this is war and I am sure that this also did happen, but I did not see it (yet).
Anyway, here is the video (thanks to Larchmonter445 for drawing my attention to it). See and decide for yourself.
Kind regards,
The Saker
PS: one more small detail: the language of the subtitles is *less* rude than the one actually used in this video which is densely saturated with profanities (yet another sign of a demoralized unit).
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Maybe these Ukie soldiers will wake up and go after the scum in Kiev like Yats, the candy man and other “ukrainian” oligarchs with dual citizenship in Israel.
Photo of 36 Ukraine soldiers coffins heading back “home”. The people must be getting the message. No o-dark-thirty transport to morgues as with the US losses in Iraq.
http://napoleon-6.livejournal.com/379844.html#comments
Most dead Junta troops are buried in unmarked graves. The DPR General in charge of notifying the families and sending captured raw recruits back to their mothers is doing a remarkable job. It is making a big difference in turning the Ukranian people against the Junta.
Little bit of topic, but at the same time……..oh I don’t comment make your own conclusion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YfRtbIQ1kTw&feature=youtu.be
Daniel Rich said…
Zero Hedge? Seriously?
New York Magazine, seriously? You would take what they say about Zero Hedge at face value?
Hey Saker here a must read,
Malaysian “officieux “newspaper said flight Malysian airlines was shot by the Junta.
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/08/09/mala-a09.html
“Donetsk, the largest rebel-held city, is also suffering through fighting including frequent shelling.” LINK to Yahoo.
You wouldn’t even notice people are actually dying because of that shelling. This ‘matter of fact’ journalism has become the norm and no investigation is needed or in-depth questioning expected.
Pummel onward, Kiev killers…, but soon something will hit you and hit you so hard, that you’ll be crying for your momma all the way back to where you came from.
Good luck.
From the Nasrallah Interview in Al Akhbar, about the Israeli invasion of Lebanon: http://english.al-akhbar.com/content/hezbollah-leader-reveals-secrets-july-2006-war
“During the war, what was the most hurtful thing for you?
What hurt most were the massacres. The military men are usually hardened, yet our brothers, despite their courage and tenacity, were affected. Some of them would cry whenever they saw the women and children and the massacres. What hurts a lot is the targeting of civilians. Infrastructure and buildings can be rebuilt, and the displaced will return in the end, because it was clear for us that, God willing, we were going to prevail in the battle and our people would return to their homes, villages, neighborhoods, and cities.”
I hope for the same, in Ukraine and NovoRussiya.
Where-Wolf said…
There is broad and growing resistance to the Anglo-Zionist project from within the Jewish community. Meyssan and Gilad Atzmon are part of a small but growing group of people who can be described as secular and local nationalist pro Torah Jews.
In Third-Category Jews and the Palestinian Solidarity Movement Gilad Atzmon writes:
As far as self-perception is concerned, those who call themselves Jews can be divided into three main categories:
1. Those who follow Judaism.
2. Those who regard themselves as human beings that happen to be of Jewish origin.
3. Those who put their Jewishness over and above all of their other traits.
Gilad Atzmon, as he says, was “was born a Jew in Israel”, and so could be said to be “of Jewish origin”. But (based on limited personal acquaintance) I have never seen any evidence that he “calls himself a Jew”. If he does then he obviously falls into category 2. So to describe him as a “secular and local nationalist pro Torah Jew” is incorrect. I believe that Gilad Atzmon cannot properly be described as a Jew of any sort.
For an essay by him on the subject of self-identity (Jewish and otherwise) see Zionism and other Marginal Thoughts.
@anonymous 18:46
It seems that Putin, cruelly, is giving Novorussia exactly enough support to keep Kiev at a stalemate, (…)
How much exactly and what is your source?
When this conflict first started,
wait wait.. Lets go back to why this conflict started in the first place..
So the US spends $5 billion.. to get like the choco king into their pay rolls.. But it was the Germans who started paying protesters to show up.. With the polish trained storm troopers who eventually over threw the government. The US is just opportunistic, they saw an opening and like any don, side lined their underlings.
So the Germans are altruistic humanitarians who give submarines which can carry carry nuclear warheads to murderous regimes.. They helped their other half come out of a poverty ridden enclave where even the sinks were stolen by the soviets.. Yea but has Europeans in general thought of the cost of this? ALL Europeans paid dearly for German unification. Which was why creating the EU was so urgent even if talked about for decades before. Now most of those Europeans who could not afford it are victims of this the corruption is just icing. By the same token the USSR breaking up caused a vast improvement in the lifestyle of the people of Russia. Russia was subsidizing all the fringes. Look at the cost just to add crimea to Russia. This alone would have been the main reason why Russia do not want anyone else let alone a basket case like Ukraine. There never was a German plan to accept Ukraine into the EU which would have broken the EU, they wanted to install their own dictator and control it. Anyone really think anyone else in the EU wants Ukraine? Or even that Russia wants Ukraine? US of course thought they could unload this sucker onto Russia and break it. While gathering up the EU to keep itself from imploding.
That crazy Nato chief keeps yapping about immanent Russian invasion every other day. Even if Ukraine gets into Nato what would that bring? Yes it would help in a first strike but I think anyone with an IQ over 50 realize that destroying Russia would only mean you live another year. The idea is to let Russia take over Ukraine! of course if they had got Crimea then isolating Russia would have been less costly. But even then rest of Ukraine would not be in the EU. Not the US and definitely not the EU can afford it. It took 15 countries to get E.Germany which was a far better choice to join the EU. As we see in many parts of the world, the US destabilizes countries in the periphery of states they want to undermine and control. Its far cheaper and you get to bomb one side or the other to make sure no one gets an advantage..
Anyone thinking The Germans are on the Side of Russia are kidding themselves. They are not even on the side of Europeans. They are looking for an advantage just like the Americans to make a lot of money and appearing to be girl scouts. Overall I dont blame them for it but it seems they have taken the attitude that they are all blameless and beyond such skulduggery while we know they are the basis for such things. And they have the gaul to blame Putin for the very same things they are guilty off.
“ALL Europeans paid dearly for German unification. Which was why creating the EU was so urgent even if talked about for decades before.”
Nonsense. German reunif was paid vor by West Germany. State invents extra tax called Soli and modernizes Infrastruktur. Soli still in force today.
Original plan was European Golden Age by Economic Intrgration up to The Ural mountains, but then Herrhausen and Rohwedder were murdered, supposedly “4th gen RAF Terroristen”, but I’m sure it was UK/US false flag.
@Where-wolf
Thierry Meyssan is catholic. Could you provide evidence that he is Jewish?
As for Gilad Atzmon, he refuses to put secular and Jewish in the same sentence as it is oxymoronic. You characterizing him as “secular and local nationalist pro Torah Jew” is contrary to anything I read and heard of him.
Letter to Chancellor Merkel regarding Ukraine:Preventing the planned environmental disaster caused by bombardment of chemical was mailed 15. August 2014.
Feel free to use for own letters.
—
Personally – please forward immediately
Federal Chancellery
Dr. Angela Merkel
Chancellor
Willy-Brandt-Str. 1
10557 Berlin
Fax (030) 18400-2357
Mass murder and ecological disaster by planned distruction of styrene chemical
plant in Horlivka, eastern Ukraine, by government forces of Ukraine:
Press reports on 11 and 12 August 2014
Dear Mrs. Chancellor,
as part of their punitive expedition in Eastern Ukraine the government of
Ukraine apparently plans the destruction of the styrene-chemical plant in
Horlivka / Gorlovka. This is evident from reports of Switzerland magazine from
08.11.2014 (1), by RIA Novosti from 08/11/2014 (2) and Russia Today from
12/08/2014 (3).
The deadly chemical mono nitro chlorobenzene would be released and an area of
300 km in diameter would become uninhabitable. The lethal human dose is 1mg. In
another chemical factory of the city 11,600 different toxic and hazardous
substances are stored according to the Ukrainian environmental organization
Deko-Vita (4). Professor Valery Petrosyan, Moscow, says that poison clouds could
spread internationally and rain down (5). This puts Western Europe in the danger
zone.
The EU and the Konrad-Adenauer foundation have financed regime change in Kiev in
2007-2013 with over € 435 million (6).
Please let me know the following:
1 How will you prevent that the Neo-Nazi regime in Kiev, which you have put in
power, committs new mass crimes in the Eastern Ukraine – in this case by the
deliberate release of poison gas?
2 What sanctions will will you impose on the Kiev junta to enforce the
observance of human rights?
Given the urgency of the matter I ask for an answer or a public statement
no later than 20 August 2014th.
In a fruitless lapse of the period I reserve the right,
1. to report criminal charges against you for complicity in accordance with §
126 of the Criminal Code
2. to obtain your conviction on the basis of Articles 6 and 7 of the Rome
Statute of the International Criminal Court in The Hague.
With best regards
sources:
1http://www.schweizmagazin.ch/nachrichten/ausland/20418-Ukraine-droht-Umweltkata
strophe-Junta-beschiesst-Chemiewerk.html
2
http://en.ria.ru/society/20140811/191896877/Stirol-Chemical-Plant-Representative
-Warns-against-Ecological.html
3 http://rt.com/news/179808-ukraine-chemical-plant-shelling/
4 Victoria Polyakova, zit. n., Russia Today, supra
5 Prof. Valery Petrosyan, zit. n., Russia Today, supra
6 See Financial Transparency System of the EU Commission website, cit.
http://eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=85112
Right Sector threatened to march on Kiev. They demanded all Right Sector members be freed and criminal charges against them dropped. Statement:
“Unless our demands are met within 48 hours, we will be forced to call off all our units on the front line, start a general mobilization of reserve battalions and launch a march on Kiev..”
http://rt.com/news/180876-nationalists-threaten-kiev-raid/
It appears the center is not holding in Kiev these days.
To Saker and @gbazov:
Extensive, visionary, far-ranging interview with Berezin (RU).
http://www.novayagazeta.ru/politics/64868.html
Touches on the ‘virtual’ nature of Strelkov, the goals of the revolution, more . . .
This may help settle things: http://translate.yandex.net/tr-url/ru-en.en/www.segodnia.ru/content/145306
Regards, Gerry Hiles/Setarcos.
Gallier 2
Bravo for the direct challenge to Merkel.
The corrupt at the top must know a hangman’s noose awaits their silence in the face of genocide or their complicity in the process of war crimes.
(A bullet in the back of the head is actually cheaper to dispatch these swine. Cost = 10 cents.
Chinese perfected the process. We could outsource to them when we round up the Ruling Elite.)
“Pitchforks in the night.”
This may help: http://slavyangrad.org/2014/08/17/novorossiya-military-briefing-situation-by-august-17-2014/#comments
Sincerely, Gerry Hiles/Setarcos/keyhoti
This is of course Yugoslavia revisited, with the Ukrainian Junta as Serbia and Crimea as lucky early escapee Slovenia.
If the stalemate lasts long enough for people to see what happens, then no one can afford to appear to be backing Serbia – not even the US which created it (or rather a few wild west gunmen who catalysed what they have done without asking for permission).
If Ukraine wins early, the EU/US can announce a fait accompli and avoid most of the blame.
If the stale mate continues then even the EU/US will have to accept self-determination in East Ukraine, and the only arguments ill be about where the boundaries should be.
Obviously the EU will want a small West Ukraine because it will be paying the bills there, while the US and Russia will want good fences to make good neighbours.
Well, it’s gone from a Tweet to RT: Yarosh and Stempitsky, commander of its volunteer batallion, really did threaten on the Pravy Sektor website to bring the goons back to Kiev for some fun if the Interior Ministry doesn’t release all of them and Poroshenko doesn’t fire Valdimir Yevdokimov bc he’s he heads up “a criminal police group of separatist stooges and a Moscow puppet.”
http://rt.com/news/180876-nationalists-threaten-kiev-raid/
Good times. I figured Poroshenko wouldn’t last past September and it looks like the Junta itself is imploding. Otoh, NATO’s already involved, so they can still do a lot of damage, regardless of whatever happens in Kiev. And again, all we’re seeing is the tip of the iceberg, the tippety-tippety-top. But Lavrov’s in negociations today with the Ukrainian, German and French FM’s — which may mean nothing more than “concern” on all parts, but it’s the first time in a while the Junta supporters have even shown that…
Alien Tech,
One general takeaway from the Russian-German threads was the importance of not confounding a population of any country with its government. You speak of Russia but then talk about The Germans… What’s up? I mean, it’s pretty common knowledge that Germany has been occupied since the end of WWII, and there’s a lot of data to suggest that from the Treaty of Versailles on (if not before) she was manipulated into all of the disasters that followed. I am not sure where you live but envy you deeply if in fact you’re genuinely happy with everything done in your name by your leaders…
Where-wolf,
I have to agree with gallier2 re: Atzmon and Meyssan. I’d never before heard Meyssan was Jewish, or of Jewish descent, and to call Gilad Atzmon a pro Torah Jew just kind of boggles the mind. Try reading The Wandering Who (which is hysterical), and you may see him a bit differently. Again, a person, as a person, is not just simply what or where they happen to have been born: isn’t the important stuff what you make of yourself, what you do? Look at your realizations about Serbs and Croats and the whole mess we made there: you’re not just knee-jerk, you rose way above that! I really don’t know about Thierry Meyssan but I don’t give a damn what or where he was born, I read him bc I find him generally on target. And you may reconsider Gilad if you read more of his writings, bc he’s essentially gone down the same road you have.
Christoph,
WOW. You certainly pulled no punches there; it should also be sent to Tusk, since Poland is up to her eyeballs in this, including mercenaries and pilots. It’s very well-written and I soooo wish it could make a difference here but, just like Israel, we’re not signatories — we only get people from other countries hauled up there. But that is indeed a model letter — and the world thanks you!
Novorossiya Military Briefing – Situation by August 17, 2014
Gleb Bazov / Slavyangrad.org
Excerpts from Conclusions (final four of eleven paragraphs):
The Junta’s offensive has nearly fizzled out… the Militia has sufficient forces to eliminate the enemy units and the rout of the Ukrainian grouping will not turn into a lengthy saga this time around. Moreover, the offensive launched against Amvrosievka is developing successfully. The appearance of unified command can be felt.
This is especially visible in the case of the LPR. The strikes of the militiamen are well conceived and coordinated…the Junta grouping…is retreating with losses…If the Lutugino grouping is not moved out to the north over the next day or two, it will repeat the fate of the Southern Cauldron…
The number of battle worthy units of the Ukrainian Armed Forces that are present at the front has sharply declined… At the very least, the Junta’s southern front is floating out of control. The front to the north of Lugansk may be in the same situation next week…
Note (Gleb Bazov): While this update sounds even more optimistic than the preceding one, this is not the time for rose-coloured glasses. The critical, and I would say – catastrophic, humanitarian situation continues to have a fundamental impact on the situation on the ground…
johnny peterson @JPexsquaddie · 2h
@gbazov To confirm Kiev has no reserve, they R pulling peacekeepers from Kosovo like they did with Congo, if Right sector Go ,OPs will stop!
@ Alien Tech said…
…US of course thought they could unload this sucker onto Russia and break it. While gathering up the EU to keep itself from imploding…
I think this is more accurate: USSA of course thought they could unload this sucker onto the EU and break the EU, while gathering up the EU to keep it from imploding.
…But even then rest of Ukraine would not be in the EU. Not the US and definitely not the EU can afford it…
EU certainly cannot afford Ukraine – exactly why the USSA wants the EU to have it: to prevent any possibility of financial and economic bloc competition to the USSA.
…Anyone thinking The Germans are on the Side of Russia are kidding themselves…
Anyone thinking the Germans have full freedom of choice and expression in this matter are kidding themselves. At this Moment in History some in Germany realize that they do have a choice, and are thinking that they would rather the New Silk Road than the TTIP. It will take time for that thought to find expression.
Mark Sleboda @MarkSleboda1 · 12m
Dmitry Yarosh leader of Right Sector calls off his march on Kiev after #Ukraine regime bows to his demands, releases its members from prison
Bandera’s grave was blown up in Munich today.
Berlin, Vienna, Madrid, hold anti-fascist conferences in response to events in Ukraine.
http://en.ria.ru/world/20140817/192081660/Participants-of-Anti-Fascist-Conference-in-Spain-Express-Support.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-28825307
Analysis: David Stern, BBC News, Kiev
Ukraine’s government seems to have made a devil’s bargain, by allowing the formation of loosely-controlled paramilitary groups to fight in the country’s east.
That some of these volunteers are ultranationalists, far-right extremists and sometimes even neo-Nazis seemed to be worth the gamble. Anyone who was willing to risk his life to defend Ukraine at this critical juncture was welcome.
Also figuring into their logic was the fact that the insurgency itself is a more pressing threat than far-right fighters, that these individuals are a minority among the Ukrainian forces and that Nazis and extremists are heavily represented among the pro-Russian militants.
Still, there has been virtually no public debate about whether it was a good idea to give guns to people and groups with extremist views. Now, with Right Sector threatening to march on the capital to enforce their demands, maybe this very overdue discussion will begin.
A concerted western effort to start the impression of a separatist movement in Siberia is in the works. A few people in Kiev were marching for Siberian indeendence. The Guardian has an article saying that independence movements in Russia are gaining traction, “from Siberia to Kaliningrad” http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/15/russia-fledgling-independence-movements
Roland Oliphant, who made up the story of a Russian invasion 2 days ago, is busy retweeting news from Svoboda to the effect that Siberian activists are being detained Even Carlos Franganillo of Spanish national tv is busy retweeting news of the great independence movements. Amazing discipline in the MSM troops.
Here is a theory to chew on. Remember in a Global economy, it’s always about the money regardless of the reasons presented by politicians. The order of the bullet points my need tweaking a bit, but I think they are essentially correct:
1. The USA starts fracking natural gas which is more expensive (than say Russian gas) and has NO market.
2. ‘War’ starts in the ONE country (Ukraine) where the majority of gas pipelines from Russia to EU are located. This ‘War’ just happens to be very, very anti-Russian not only to Russia but to Russian speaking Ukrainian citizens predominantly in eastern Ukraine (where new gas deposits have been discovered).
3. Russia is ‘forced’ to sign a long term gas deal with China that is less lucrative then previous deal with Ukraine.
4. Ukraine agrees to let USA/EU buy a 49% share in the pipelines which in itself makes no sense if Russia is going to shut off the gas supply due to unpaid billions or dollars.
[http://rt.com/business/180388-gas-pipelines-eu-ukraine/]
5. USA Vice president’s son Biden is hired by Ukraine energy firm investigating the possibility of fracking much of eastern Ukraine.
[http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/06/08/ukrainian-energy-firm-hires-biden-son-as-lawyer/]
[http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/10/us-fracking-companies-climate-change-crisis-shock-doctrine]
6. The ‘war’ in eastern Ukraine is helping to suppress any opposition to the fracking BEFORE IT GETS STARTED. (big blow back in USA States when it becomes apparent that this process is toxic to the land, toxic to the residents and only benefits the fracking companies and the ‘fracking’ governments that serve corporations before citizens)
7. EU is ‘forced’ by the USA to impose sanctions on Russia that appear to hurt the EU more than they hurt Russia and do not hurt the USA at all.
8. Russia retaliates by imposing sanctions of EU/USA/Canada, etc. Now EU needs a new source for not only natural gas to heat their homes this winter but a new source for lost exports and imports.
9. Russia signs new trade deals with countries not totally hostile to Russia and also looking to increase their trade (i.e Turkey)
10. Presumably EU will do the same and find new partners to replaced the trade with Russia.
Continued in Part II,…
Part II – Here is a theory to chew on,…
My Opinion: The USA is in trouble economically. Fracking my help put off what appears to be inevitable if they can only find a market. After an analysis it is determined that the only way to ‘lower’ the price of fracked gas is by removing the cheaper competition. This analysis identified a huge market (EU) and the competitor the stands in the way (Russia) and the ‘achilles heel’ in the whole Russian operation (Ukraine).
Trouble is instigated in the key pipeline country (Ukraine) and well you already know the rest…
WINNERS:
The USA (new markets for fracking expensive USA gas, new markets for exports, a further strangle hold on the EU, a whole new market for fracking Ukraine gas and a blow to Russia to boot)
China (long term economical gas deal with Russia)
Putin (78% popularity, deservedly so for being the only statesman in this chess game)
LOSERS:
The Ukrainian people (needs no explanation)
The people of Europe (loss of productivity and loss of sovereignty, now almost totally dependant on the USA. The USA controls the military and now will control the majority of energy needs and increased import/export dependency. If the EU ‘leaders’ do not tow the line it would be easy for ‘energy disruptions’ to instigate a change in Government. “The beatings will continue until moral improves”)
Ukraine as a sovereign country.
The EU (is now more subservient to the USA than ever. To quote a meme, ‘All your bases belong to US!’ And now all your heating oil and food belong to US too!)
Russia (This is not over yet. Look at St. Petersburg this September,….)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNAPbuwLMHg#t]
The World (This is not over yet. Look at St. Petersburg this September,….)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNAPbuwLMHg#t]
~Thoughts, Comments?
BREAKING #Transcarpathia region separates from #Ukraine !Borders #Slovakia #Romania #Hungary #cdnpoli http://youtu.be/0WiFBlKsSzY via @YouTube
YouTube
The situation in the Donbass on August 17
http://translate.yandex.net/tr-url/ru-en.ru/colonelcassad.livejournal.com/1734607.html
Nazis defeated and encircled again. South Debaltsevo and Novoselovka are areas where it is too early to call.
The war in the South-East Online 17.08.2014 Chronicle of events (post updated)
http://translate.yandex.net/tr-url/ru-en.ru/voicesevas.ru/news/yugo-vostok/3783-voyna-na-yugo-vostoke-onlayn-17082014-hronika-sobytiy-post-obnovlyaetsya.html
A couple more nazi aircraft downed. Pilot communications overheard, nationality unrecognised, the language spoken was not Russian (assume neither Ukrainian) or English – so another probable foreign pilot. Also polish merc squad destroyed that included Polish sp artillery unit.
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Here’s the compassion of a Ukie politician in his own words:
Babay @Truth_Seeker_11 3 mins
#Ukraine parliamentary speaker #Turchinov urged soldiers on social media to “stop crying and die with dignity” pic.twitter.com/pdJsSAYtw6
LOL. Someone have damaged the stone cross on the grave of criminalist Stepan Bandera in Munich’s Waldfriedhof cemetery. He was an godless Austrian agent, who was pretending as Christian.
The Nazis in Kiev to NATO and the EU: “Yes, we are your bloody prostitutes, we know that. But you have to pay us for what we do for we are otherwise broke.”
Foreign Minister of the Nazi junta in Kiev (a regime officially called “friendly” by NATO), Pavlo Klimko, declared that the junta is not only asking NATO for military assistance, but it also demands from its masters, both NATO and the EU, that they PAY for the continuation of the war in Donbass (because, clearly, Kiev is bankrupt and has been bankrupt for a while). Klimko also assured that Kiev would pay back for NATO and EU financing of the war “soon enough.” Clearly, the message is: “You have tasked us with making this war, and we are your bastards so you also need to pay for what you are asking us to do.”
In return, Klimko also assured that the Nazis and their regime in Kiev will “fight for Crimea, Donetsk and Lugansk till the last drop of blood,” without specifying whose blood.
http://slovak.ruvr.ru/news/2014_08_17/Kyjev-ziada-EU-a-NATO-o-prostriedky-na-financovanie-vojny-6416/
The so-called Euromaidan is anxious to complete their Nazi “revolution.” The most militant Nazis seemed to have reached a point where they concluded that they are dying to fast and too much in Donbass instead of purging the government in Kiev and giving themselves absolute power without having to share it with anyone else, however, pliant and servile others might be.
Via Mykolas Alutis:
A comment from the official website of Euromaidan: “Raise the swastika over the Rada! Return Euromaidan to its roots!” (Browse it and you will find) http://euromaidanpress.com/2014/08/17/letter-to-the-president-of-ukraine-from-the-right-sector-military-political-movement/
This video is about lucky survivors from 3 brigades(not at full strength),separate special forces and other units(around 5,5-6 thousands alltogether) who were surrounded for weeks at south border of DNR and LNR.At the end less than 1000 manage to run away via temperoraly captured from ukr side villages and border post and even some of them were ambushed on their way out-there was a video with destoyed trucks/apc etc from that area.At least 3500(admitted even from Kiev) were killed and Novorussian forces captured lots of weapons/amunitions/heavy equipment.Leaving behind tanks/mlrs/apc etc was one of the conditions for sparing pro-kiev side.Btw at that area to the south near Russain border again there are ukr units surrounded but this time at much smaller area-so soon they will be finished(captured or killed).Doubt it will be in english speaking sites-Hungary as it looks like is supplying tanks T-72(insert version here) to Ukraine paired with corruption of course.As i`ve read(think at colonelcassad site) profit for middle men is at 300-500%.Report for this delivery is from hungarian newspaper with photos of tanks on a train near Ukrainian border.For weeks there were report for Su 24/25/27 bombing civilain infracture actually coming from Poland/Romania-dont know if true.But today reading info from battles eyewitnesses reporting much better tactics used from some of the SUs so might be true or at least mercenaries piloting SU now.2 more planes one SU and one MiG29 were shot down today too.
At the bottom of the box was where Pandora found hope.
http://orientalreview.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Korybko-Advance-Interview.pdf
Complexity and doubt are advantages; patience and silence are virtues.
The ZPC/NWO is still acting like Israelis/neocons trying to prevent/delay the Russian aide convoy.
Вождение по мукам (Driving on the gridiron)
http://vz.ru/politics/2014/8/17/700730.html (trans) http://translate.yandex.net/tr-url/ru-en.ru/vz.ru/politics/2014/8/17/700730.html
“Ukraine recognized the Russian cargo of humanitarian aid, but to guarantee the security of the column and accompanying representatives of the red cross refused. Meanwhile, already the EU leaders noted the seriousness of the humanitarian situation in the East of Ukraine, and the first Trucks arrived at the border checkpoint “Donetsk”.
Recall, on Tuesday, Russia sent Ukraine humanitarian assistance. Representatives of the Ukrainian authorities made contradictory statements about whether they miss the convoy.
It’s been almost a week. Help the residents of Donbas has still not delivered, and the blame for this lies entirely on the Ukrainian side, which makes everything possible so that the loads are not crossed the border. While the Kiev army does not forget to conduct artillery fire on residential areas in the cities of Donbass.”
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OT – somewhat
Tony Abbott Used as Loud-Speaker by US, Israel, UK – Australian Journalist
http://en.ria.ru/analysis/20140816/192072806/Tony-Abbott-Used-as-Loud-Speaker-by-US-Israel-UK—Australian.html
“Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott is being used by the British Government as a propaganda tool in its drive against Scottish independence, international award winning Australian journalist John Pilger told RIA Novosti.
“Like many Australian politicians before him, Tony Abbott is used as a loud-speaker principally by the US, also by Israel, and now by the Cameron government in its propaganda drive against the possibility of Scottish independence,” said Pilger, a two-times winner of the Journalist of the Year Award and fierce critic of Western foreign military interventions.
“Abbott’s is a quintessentially colonial role, that of a vassal, and demeaning for those Australians who wonder when their nation will ever achieve independence,” Pilger said…”
Tony “all orifices available” Abbott.
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Dmitriy Yarosh, the leader of the Nazi Right Sector, declared that, under threat of a coup d’etat, Poroshenko partially already yielded to the Right Sector’s demands: 1) the fate of Avakov’s first deputy, general Vladimir Evdokimov is being reviewed by Poroshenko and 2) the Right Sector’s militants have been freed, thus receiving de facto criminal immunity and impunity. http://tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/content/201408171850-y5u6.htm
@Saker,
It seems as if the censors at CBC have actually allowed this Vineyasrd article to be shared via the comments section. While it is worth noting that the “article” itself has disappeared into the abyss very recently, here is the comment and reply itself…
Backbench Support
Saturday, August 16, 2014
Which side is getting crushed – see for yourself PG
http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.ca/2014/08/which-side-is-getting-crushed-see-for.html
18 hours ago 6 Likes
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@Backbench Support
The site is pro-Russian but it does approach this report from a realistic point of view. That report isn’t confirmed but, as this site points out, it does reveal how Ukrainian soldiers feel, what they think and what they believe in.
17 hours ago 2 Likes
source:
Russian aid convoy waits near Ukraine
Ukrainian officials concerned convoy could be used by Russia to send military equipment to rebels
The Associated Press
Posted: Aug 16, 2014 9:06 AM ET Last Updated: Aug 16, 2014 2:40 PM ET
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/russian-aid-convoy-waits-near-ukraine-1.2738457
Video of Victoria Shilova Member of Ukranian Parlament calling for the end of the Ukraine war:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5veOECY0tKQ
@Michael Droy
“This is of course Yugoslavia revisited, with the Ukrainian Junta as Serbia and Crimea as lucky early escapee Slovenia.”
What kind of a malignant fascist are you to come up with this kind of conclusion?
Serbia was during 1990s the training ground for the same treatment of Russia by the ziofascist west we are witnessing today: same target, same distance.
However, we bought Russia whole ten years of peace while being canibalized by the scum mentioned above. In fact, the final stage of the destruction of Serbia (the ZATO bombing in 1999) contributed greatly to Russia’s realization of the fact that it was the next one down the line. Hence the change of power & Putin’s appearance on the world stage.
And I am not writing this because of you – your job is to spin & misinform – but because some people might take it for a valid info w/out realizing they’re being lied to.
Considering the fact that the zionazi filth played the leading role in the destruction of Serbia – from Madlen Albright to the “judge” sitting today in the so-called “tribunal” in Hague, former Mossad agent Theodor Meron – you must be one of them trying to perpetuate the already established “truth” about the “evil Serbia” – that is, evil “Russia” in making.
I only wonder how it slipped into the comment section!?
the pug, and Anonymous 16:32
HALLELUIA!!! As for Bandera being a godless Austrian agent pretending as a Christian, he was probably not much less Christian than an awful lot of AZ Empire folks behind this latest venture, among others. And plenty of other people too, actually. I’ve gotten to the point where I almost instinctively distrust anyone wearing their Christianity on their sleeve, bc so often their behavior looks a lot more Old Testament than New: while they’re great at castigating others, the good old Words In Red just don’t seem very apparent in much of what they either say or do.
Anonymous 15:15
Well, I almost fell over reading that first bit from the Beeb. Until, of course, I got to the last phrase in the third paragraph you cited: “the fact… that Nazis and extremists are heavily represented among the pro-Russian militants.”
Then the world fell back into place again. Yup, they’re a bit worried (brilliant thinkers that they are), and yup, they’re still as divorced from the truth as they’ve ever been. I really wonder how many pro-Russian Nazis there are, anywhere… just like I wonder how any sentient being the least bit aware of WWII could possibly read that without noticing that something, somewhere, was just a bit awry.
TheLogicGuy
That was a very interesting assemblage. But I’m not sure that Russia’s deal with China was any lower than with the EU though (I thought it was the same amount; am I wrong on that?). Also, fracking is a pretty desperate pyramid/scam not only bc it’s so incredibly expensive but bc the wells deplete like 50% in the first year or so. I think it’s more a move for *apparent* control, maybe — it’s pretty obvious we don’t really care about the people affected, right? However, if controlling oil and gas maintains the petrodollar hegemony (and the US MIC/HS complex and international banksters dependant on same), …
@Sokenekos:I only wonder how it slipped into the comment section!?
In one word: exhaustion.
The Saker
Sokenokos,
A former Mossad agent is the judge at the Hague?
Holy. Poop.
I already knew it was a joke, but… I’m just speechless (no mean feat). Wow.
Was he voted for or appointed, and if so, by whom?
The Logic Guy
The Fedorov video you recommend is very insightful, useful for all to understand the Hegemon’s plan to destroy Putin and Russia.
Worth the time to watch him expound.
The mystery is how does Putin rule?
With a fifth column outside and inside the government, even local governments, how is it that anything gets done?
I understand a media problem for Fedorov and his National Liberation group and his analysis of the threats and plans of the US. But Putin is known to have the security forces under his tight control. It seems to me that if a real viable internal threat exists, he would have it crushed.
So, we need more information.
And the test bed is not just St. Petersburg. It is Novorossiya. Putin has to win in Ukraine. The militia has given him that moment in history right now. Not that they are winning. They are merely defeating what they must. And they are doing it with very little Russian military assistance, though there has to be some of various sorts.
We now need to follow the internal developments in Kaliningrad (which I have previously indicated would be an ideal spot for NATO to deal with), the Urals and Siberia, the Caucasus and St. Petersburg.
Each of these is subject to enormous pressures in the future. It is a death match for Russia and Putin. The Hegemon is desperate.
@Nora
Gilad Atzmon has described himself as a ‘pro Torah Jew’ in some of his many interviews.
Torah Jews-Probably The Only Jewish Ethical Collective
http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/torah-jews-probably-the-only-jewish-ethical-collective.html
For what it’s worth, I think the alliance that will defeat the Empire is centered on Orthodox Christians, Shia Muslims and non secular, non Zionist Torah focussed Jews.
On much shakier ground, to answer the comment that Meyssan is Catholic, not Jewish, I offer some visual evidence in the form of a pic of comedian Steve Carell.
Here:
http://tinyurl.com/mt2mbd7
http://tinyurl.com/mqdn3sn
Hey hey?
Or maybe no.
I’ll admit it’s highly subjective but I’ve been reading Meyssan for several years and there is zero question in my mind as to where lay his loyalties. Please watch for it when you are reading him in the future. He is a good journalist but like every person I know not always fully up front. One needs to also consider the history of Conversos and Murranos in Spain and just about everywhere else Jews encountered hostile majorities. The Jews of Spain never lost their identity but were forced to pretend to be Catholics and unsuprisingly, became quite hateful of non-Jews. Read Don Quixote from this perspective and a whole new world will open up.
All that said, I don’t want to be the guy who whines about Jews all the time. People are people and the vast majority of all people of all creeds are ‘good people.’ Besides that the Anglo-Zionists want very much for us to blame ‘the joos.’
The problem is we’ve been taught to look past things that are as plain as the nose of everyone’s face. Western culture lives in the Semitic tradition. Our religions are Semitic. Our ghosts, stories, myths as well as our writing systems, money systems, etc. etc. etc. are mostly of Semitic cultural origin.
The trick of our overlords is to keep you emotionally pumped up at all times so you always miss even the most obvious connections. Be still and observe and you will be shocked at the world that is revealed.
In the end we are trying to build a coalition of all people of goodwill including Jews. In fact without Jews at our side we are doomed from the start.
What I will not do is walk around on egg shells when I’m using the word Jew or Zionist or any of the other terms that our Anglo-Zionist overloads use as devices to control how we think. Please look into the history of the Frankfurt School and Cultural Marxism and see how our culture has been re-engineered to be the very sick one we have today.
@ Anonymous said…
Berlin, Vienna, Madrid, hold anti-fascist conferences in response to events in Ukraine.
http://en.ria.ru/world/20140817/192081660/Participants-of-Anti-Fascist-Conference-in-Spain-Express-Support.html
17 August, 2014 15:11
Thank you for the link. It seems that the Asturian antifascist movement have invited some memebers of the Essence of Time Russian movement to explain what´s going on in The Ukraine with this conflict in a serie of lectures in several Spanish cities.
I did not know this movement ( the truth is that until recently I knew very little about Russia and I see that I have much to learn, but I’m on it).
I went to wikipedia and says it is a movement founded by Sergei Kurginyan. What he describes as its objective ( to rescue the best of the former USSR, uniting everyone on the progress of the country and turn Russia into a beacon for change towards a better world ) seems good and seems had been very supportive on Putin as a presidential candidate, and Putin to them ( antiorange rally in Poklonnaya ).
Anyway, I have a small mess, Saker, because I see that you now consider Kurginyan 5th column, if I understand you correctly.
I wonder, what is the difference between the Essence of Time and NLM of Fedorov and why, Saker, you do not like these movements and their leaders.
At first, seem to have the same goals as us, right?
f you had some time, Saker, I would like you to explain this issue a little. Or someone around here that can clarify something.
Thank you in advance for the information.
@American Kulak
“Israel as a government, which should be judged like any other government”
The Israeli govt is not like any other. It considers itself a “Jewish” State which is non-starter.
“Malcolm Muggeridge, writing anonymously for the Manchester Guardian. He wrote that the famine was “one of the most monstrous crimes in history, so terrible that people in the future will scarcely be able to believe that it happened.””
What makes you think MM wasn’t lying?
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=272571 says the Holodomar was a hoax.
@Daniel Rich
re: Zero Hedge
Most of what you say is correct but Zero Hedge is useful for getting into the head of Econo-man — the archetypical MBA/30-something.
I barely read the articles but the commentary is useful for gauging some of what drives market sentiment. When I link to it (very rarely) it’s usually to demonstrate that even MBA’s can see through the non-stop MSM lying.
@Serendipity
I believe that Gilad Atzmon cannot properly be described as a Jew of any sort.
I won’t argue the point too strenuously. Atzmon would agree with you. For myself he is an intelligent and compelling person first and foremost.
He was born in Israel to so-called Zionist ‘Royalty.’ I can’t remember if it was an uncle or his father who was a ranking member of Irgun. The Western notion that you decide what you are is a fairly unique one. What counts is not only what where you are but also where you come from and also where you’re going. I believe Atzmon is a courageous person who has spent his life coming to terms with his own history and that of the people who founded the state of Israel. Don’t all of us try to come to terms with the legacy of our parents, grandparents and so on?
There are no hard and fast definitions for complicated things like identity and I don’t believe it is useful or informative to proceed from the assumption that there is.
Anonymous said…17 August, 2014 16:44
“The Nazis in Kiev to NATO and the EU: “Yes, we are your bloody prostitutes, we know that. But you have to pay us for what we do for we are otherwise broke.”…
They probably don’t understand that as far as their masters are concerned, this is how it works in the zionised west. The slaves must pay their own way and supply themselves.
And not complain.
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Where-Wolf said…17 August, 2014 22:56
I have heard in interviews and read in his own words Atzmon describe himself as “no longer a Jew”. He does not claim to be Jewish, though he says he was brought up in a right wing zionist Jewish Israeli family and was the same before he dropped the religion and the zionism. If you want confirmation, go ahead and ask him:
giladatzmon@mac.com
In the eyes of the Jewish zionist S.W.A.R.M.*, his major “unforgivable betrayal” is he not only that he “betrayed Israel” by dumping zionism and supported Palestinian independence, but that he also quit the Jewish religion and wrote/said some very honest personal views and analysis of Jewish culture which were not hero worship. This is why he is so hated by the the zionist Jewish crowd – he did a Vanunu.
As for Thierry Meyssan, I’m not familiar with his background, though your attempt to discredit him is probably more in line with your handler’s goals, than anything relating to Thierry Meyssan.
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Where-Wolf,
“Don’t all of us try to come to terms with the legacy of our parents, grandparents and so on?”
Well, we should; but not all of us do. But our ancestors are only our ancestors: it’s what we make of their (generally rather mixed) legacy that matters, right? Ideally, shouldn’t you be judging them the same way you’d judge anyone else, then hold onto the best and try to be better than the worst? So Gilad came to understand whereof he sprang, and what those people, Irgun et. al., have wrought, and has devoted his life to doing something about it. That’s pretty darned admirable in my book.
And I clearly need to read some of his more recent stuff, bc I was truly surprised he supported that group of rabbis in NYC — which I don’t think (don’t know for sure though) are the same folks who have been *extremely* active in the fight against Zionism since, well, forever. If those are the people, then yes, they are very principled and very pro-Palestinian rights, and very much out there saying so. They’ve got another name though; I just can’t remember it at the moment — maybe somebody else does?
But I really don’t get your photographic comparison — been trying to, but can’t. I’m quite aware of crypto-Jews, but again, you can’t tar all people with the same brush, not all of them held on to enough of it to matter (though many certainly did). I think the distinction isn’t Jew vs. non-Jew per se, it’s evil people vs. empathic people: again, Gilad is a perfect example of someone springing from some pretty awful roots, and yet look at him. So the fact that Meyssan has a big nose or even crypto-Jewish roots means nothing to me bc I just don’t see the point on judging someone on their ethnicity. What they do is all I care about. And to be perfectly honest, I think we’d all be a whole lot better off if we just got rid of labels altogether: if a person is a psychopath or a jerk, they’re a psychopath or a jerk, regardless of their ethnicity, political party, level of education, religion, or anything else. Otoh, as for the walking on eggshells, I am soooo right there with you: you do know the current definition of an anti-Semite, right? Someone Jews don’t like. ;~)
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My handler’s goals?
I put a name on stuff so people can ignore me. You’re sore about something else. I’m pretty sure I know what.
Meyssan constantly redirects criticism against Israel and the French plutocracy onto the ‘Anglo-Saxons’. Sometimes it is justified. I linked to his very good article and made some speculative comments. If you had read through them you would’ve seen I am respectful but suspicious.
Take a break вот так. When you spend 20 hours a day hyper focused on death and shit it screws with your head.
And I’ll take my own advice.
G’nite.
Where-Wolf said…
Gilad Atzmon has described himself as a ‘pro Torah Jew’ in some of his many interviews.
Torah Jews – Probably The Only Jewish Ethical Collective
http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/torah-jews-probably-the-only-jewish-ethical-collective.html
If you follow that link you’ll find that (apart from a video of ‘Rabbis for Palestine’, in which Atzmon does not appear) the entire ‘article’ consists of this:
Gilad Atzmon: As far as I am concerned Torah Jews are the only peaceful Jewish collective that is also coherent, ethical and authentic. They are also totally modest. I have never heard any of these Rabbis telling Palestinians or solidarity activists how to run the Palestinian state or how manage to solidarity movement.
This is NOT an interview of Gilad Atzmon, Gilad Atzmon does NOT describe himself as a ‘pro Torah Jew’, and (contrary to Where-Wolf’s claim) he never has.
@Serendipity
OK. Obviously my choice of words was a disaster.
Atzmon is sympathetic to the ehtical outlook of those who are committed to the Torah, as in pro Torah (as opposed to those who priviledge Zionism and Israel).
Funny how people go into a frenzy whenever these words get used.
As for his being non Jew — what he calls himself is his business but he is concerned with the issues of truth and justice and how it relates to the diaspora and Israel, correct?
My idea, which got totaly lost in the scramble, is that people with at least some relationship to Judaism and/or Israel are coming around to the view that hey have also been lied to and cheated.
Not a single person engaged with that idea which was obviously a failure of my own.
The further point is we need these courageous people to stand by us (and we should stand by them) if we’re ever going to overcome the mind control system that causes everybody to go f’n insane over meaningless bullshit while ignoring the fundamental question of why every goddam person around you is a brain eating ZOMBIE.
Electronic communication is no substitute for face to face communication.
Probably we should organize something and get on the streets.
Which of us desk jockeys is up for that?
Anyone?
Where-Wolf,
It’s pretty late in the game here but you still haven’t got it quite right: the torah is the first five books of the Bible and all Jews believe in that (most Christians too, though many object to all the blood, guts, silly laws and lack of genuine morality). Most Jews also believe in (at least parts of) the Talmud, which is a bunch of writings they did after Jesus; it’s really pretty disgusting, and there are a couple of other books too; I think the Kabala is one of them but I really don’t know the others. Gilad was admiring this one group of Jews who call themselves pro torah Jews, but are supposedly anti-Zionist (although they live in Israel bc in that video they were protesting being drafted). But it was just this particular group he was praising, not anyone else. They might be that same group I was talking about that used to have a Hebrew name, I’m just not sure — but I do know that he made a specific point that these guys were ok, basically meaning that they were the only ones that were.
@Nora
Sigh.
It is never too late in the game Nora. Neither you or anyone else should be shutting doors.
Gilad Atzmon said:
“I’m not only a self-hating Jew, I’m a proud self-hating Jew!”
http://www.israelshamir.net/shamirReaders/english/Gibson–Atzmon-No-Choice-But-To-Speak-Out.php
There is no “quite right” description for anyone’s identity. It changes every minute of every day.
Have you seen Monty Python Life of Brian?
@Nora
Neturei Karta is the name you’re looking for.
And here you can see “the horrible anti-semite” Dieudonné giving them the opportunity to present their position in Paris, where they were not able to rent any public arena because of the pressure from the lobby (that doesn’t exist).
;-)
Here the missing link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBonUN6LPB0
Where-wolf,
Huh?
gallier2,
Yes, that’s it! Thank you. They’re really neat, courageous and principled people — and I couldn’t look them up bc of course I couldn’t remember their name! They’ve been around since forever — were some of the earliest immigrants to Israel and got along just fine with the Palestinians and not at all with the Zionists. Boyoboy, I hope I don’t forget their name again; that was truly embarrassing. Thank you again, gallier2 — and I’m not the least bit surprised they couldn’t speak in France, just kind of amazed they still can here, *if* that was them.
The Armed Forces of Ukraine will receive another batch of new BTR-4E. BTR-4 is designed to transport personnel of motorized rifle units and their fire support in battle. The armored personnel carrier can be a basic vehicle for equipping special rapid reaction forces and marines.
http://autosvit.com.ua/news38362.html