Not directly linked to this article, but related to information out there on MH 17. There are a few things that muddle the issue, especially from the Russian view on what happened last week.
The Russians in their briefing last Monday showed the press video extracts of Civil Primary Surveillance Radar (PSR) & Secondary Surveillance Radar, (SSR). In ATC both are configured on screen to show the tracking & transponder of an aircraft. This is the circles that see in the video. The projected heading is a long line and past track can be seen as a series of 4 dots. The target aircraft’s transponder responds to interrogation by the ground station by transmitting a coded reply signal, hence the circle.
There are different modes to the system.The basic mode for this radar is called Mode A, (the box you see with the aircraft’s code, aka the “squawk”. Mode C takes the altitude from the plane and transmits it to the ground station.
Plus, there is the Automatic Dependant Surveillance (ADS), which what you get on flight tracker 24. This is a datalink system that transmits data from the aircraft’s to the stations: position, altitude & projected flight track. ADS B is mostly used in Europe, less so in the USA.
http://www.flightradar24.com/how-it-works. What would be interesting to know is the track log of MH 17 when it arrived over Donbass, because of the GPS feed in. It will show deviations, as the Russians stated that was the case. Now if that is the case, a likely cause is GPS signal degradation. Judging by the flight tracks of all the aircraft, (from another Russian visual); this seems to be the case, as they seem to have kinks. Is that due to GPS? I read somewhere that Russians hinted at this, but I cannot find the source for this. Another tangent, the 17th July was the last scheduled of the NATO EXERCISE Breeze 2014, with ELINT, EWM a plenty in the region.
Coming back to the ATC tracks. On the video at the briefing, you will notice the circle for MH 17 change into a square; this is because the transponder info has gone. This is how the ground system alerts the ATC. In most situations, the square hovers for a while for the ATC person to take action. Nothing to do with a “strange” aircraft.
The shadows seen on the system (DUE to the PSR) in the location are the remains of the aircraft falling down. How did anymore in the briefing from a ATC or air force background fail to notice this?
Has any reader of the blog any information on “Carlos” the Spanish air traffic controller who was tweeting about the events athe the time of the disappearance of the aircraft. Has it been shown that he really was in air traffic control, is he alive, do Spanish government sources have any information on him? Did the Poroshenko-Obama call (regarding the aftermath of the false flag) really take place or is the transcript a fake? Grateful to read viewpoints
Has any reader of the blog any information on “Carlos” the Spanish air traffic controller who was tweeting about the events athe the time of the disappearance of the aircraft. Has it been shown that he really was in air traffic control, is he alive, do Spanish government sources have any information on him? Did the Poroshenko-Obama call (regarding the aftermath of the false flag) really take place or is the transcript a fake? Grateful to read viewpoints
Has any reader of the blog any information on “Carlos” the Spanish air traffic controller who was tweeting about the events athe the time of the disappearance of the aircraft. Has it been shown that he really was in air traffic control, is he alive, do Spanish government sources have any information on him? Did the Poroshenko-Obama call (regarding the aftermath of the false flag) really take place or is the transcript a fake? Grateful to read viewpoints
Was the similarity of MH17 to Putin’s plane intentional? Was this a “warning shot” to Putin by western powers to pull back or else they will take him out?
Many have commented previously on the mood of Putin in his press conference. Perhaps the conflicting emotion evidenced in him as he comments on this tragedy is the awareness that Nato was prepared to actually target him personally.
When Yats failed to deliver the gas pipelines to western control on Thursday, he had to resign.
Remember the huge battles for Slavyansk and the questions as to why the Ukie army was so focused on that one spot? It was not an obsession with Strelkov. Within 10 days of the retreat from Slavyansk on the part of the Novorussian militia, the Ukie army was guarding a gas fracking rig setting up to drill into the heart of what the west hopes is a huge Ukrainian gas field below the coal beds in the area.
The hope has been all along that Ukraine would have frackable gas reserves that would enable the US to cut off the lines from Russia to Europe. But in March I believe it was Chevron that pulled out of areas north and west of Slavyansk when their test sites failed to turn up any gas.
I think Slavyansk represents the last and best roll of the dice for the oil companies as Slavyansk was the sweet spot of the sweet spots for potential gas. If this is a dry hole, then the war will die off real quick. If a big strike is made, the war has the potential to evolve into a Russia Nato confrontation.
by the way, the company doing the drilling has Biden’s son on the board.
The ZPC are promoting a new scam now. The Russians fired on Ukraine military from Russia. I’m curious how long it will take for this “evidence” to be exposed as another of the ZPC’s frauds.
US releases satellite images ‘proving’ Russia is firing into Ukraine
«Свободу угнетенным!» — американцы и европейцы делают видео ролики в поддержку Новороссии (“Freedom to the oppressed!” Americans and Europeans do videos in support of Novorossia)
” In recent video on the YouTube server and in the European and American social networks spread anti-American and Pro-Russian rollers made by foreign activists in support of the population DND and LNR.
The editors of “Russian spring” regularly receive letters from people from different countries of Europe and America with encouraging words to the address of the fighters for freedom and independence from the fascist regime of Ukraine.
This time American activists sent us a new video made by them in support of Novorossia.
Impressed by the American media, the authors included in the footage a lot of pictures with symbols of the Russian spetsnaz. Not even knowing that in Novorossia mostly for the freedom fight of the local residents, over the ocean, not a few people still support the militia and Russia in its confrontation with the USA and their satellites.
According to our well-wishers in the West quite a large number of people who do not believe Russophobic propaganda of the US and EU are trying to find reliable information.”
Украинский ЗРК «БУК» на боевом дежурстве за день до трагедии Боинга-777 (видео) (Ukrainian BUK” on combat duty the day before the tragedy of the Boeing 777 (video))
” Well-known journalist Anatoly Shari found a video of the TV station of the Ministry of defense of Ukraine, captured the day before the fall of the Malaysian aircraft.
Video recorded BUK” and the radar station “Dome” of the armed forces of Ukraine in less than a day before the tragedy of the Boeing 777.”
“A few days all the news headlines were full downed Boeing. About him just wrote all. And only I only collected links to other materials in his blog. But silent, because sooner had to say.
Now’s the time. Let’s see consistently. The US and its puppet Pig from the start was shouting that the plane was shot militia (almost before he was shot down, which suggests). In response, they heard the famous quote from “red heat” in the form of “What is your proof?
The US stated that the evidence they have. Pig parrot repeated that the evidence it has.
The Russian defense Ministry said “OK, but our evidence” and gave full details on pictures from space and readings of the radars. At the same time calling the flight time of the American “experimental” satellite and asking to provide photographs he made.
The data of the Ministry of defense has clearly shown that the ability to shoot down aircraft in the area had THREE batteries Ukrainian “Books”, during the day actively worked two Ukrainian radar stations. Well, for a snack showed more and information about the Ukrainian aircraft entering the path of attack aircraft (gaining height and is included into the area of optimal targeting).
Ofiget that damn Russians know about the secret satellite everything from the trajectory and speed to its purpose (in this place, I think, a couple Crusnik colonels lisis titles, if not shot himself), ameres depressed.
A couple of days they sat and tried to get out, but nothing came up. And internally recognized that the evidence they have “no.” Actually they are, but they prove that the plane was shot Ukrainian army. Everyone understands this, Yes?
Pig about their “evidence” is not recalls. And prays that other forgot. But not destiny, to be the new Osama bin Laden. Gaddafi Lockerbie has not forgiven, and the Pig will not forgive.
To sum it up: the Russians is the proof, the Americans and the junta does not. Who was knocked down – it is clear. You little evidence? OK, there will be more.
Only the day before yesterday morning I wanted to write that in the coming days you need to keep track of sudden death among Ukrainian pilots and rocket scientists. But went to the meeting and did not have time. Was late.
Come back, and in the news already have – “During a combat mission killed the commander of uzhgoroda, commander of anti-aircraft missile platoon fire support of the military unit, And 1778 senior Lieutenant Vladimir Chernous”.
One still has to find out what happened to his subordinates, I think that anything good. Probably too casually massively killed. Dnepropetrovsk Manager already “gone missing”, so these ends have already severed (junta removes all witnesses her crimes).
Still (probably) the last living witness – pilot.
In this regard, I would like to turn to the pilot: You, of course, war criminal. But your guide is much more criminals, and if you give evidence against them – will receive the witness protection program. While Russia is able to hide even from the Americans, Snowden living proof.
So if you want to live – Begi. Urgently, because it may be too late. But not run anywhere, and to Russia and give up the Investigation Committee.
Бородай: Похоже, Порошенко понял, что провокация с самолетом сорвалась (Boroday: looks Like Poroshenko realized that the provocation with plane was broke)
“Prime DND Alexander Borodai said, trying to dislodge militia from the territory of the collapse of Boeing, Kiev seeks to destroy evidence of the crimes of its military.
Commenting on the statement of the Secretary of the NSDC of Ukraine Parubiy that the Ukrainian troops are intensifying fighting to knock militias from the place of fall of Boeing, the Chairman of the government of the Donetsk national Republic Alexander Borodai said that it was “irrefutable evidence of the fact that Kyiv is trying to destroy evidence of a crime of war”, said a statement on the website of the press service of DND.
“The junta in panic, the main thing for them now is to get away from revelations,” continued Boroday, and drew attention to the fact that the statements of Parubiy sounded exactly when international experts finally launched a full-scale work at the crash site, there is the examination and study its ruins.
“It seems that Poroshenko has understood, that the provocation with the plane fell down, and the U.S. is not going to help. So the Kiev authorities are not even confused by the fact that the statements of Parubiy directly contradict the decision Poroshenko to announce a 40-km zone around the site of the tragedy territory ceasefire,” believes Boroday.
Earlier on Sunday in the NSDC of Ukraine said that the military are trying to take overthe territory of the fall of the Malaysian Boeing-777. Fighting deployed by Ukrainian law-enforcers did not allow a group of international experts to visit the crash site.
We remind that militia DND under control of which is the territory of the fall of Boeing not hinder the examination at the crash site and agreed to allow international expertocracy, earlier on Sunday it became known that Malaysia and the government of Donetsk national Republicagreed on the admission of police of a number of countries to the place of the crash of an airliner company Malaysia Airlines…”
The lateral answer to who benefits from the downing of MH17 are the opponents of those who don’t benefit.
The UK is a major centre for brokerage, cargo, charter, insurance and transport related activities including accident investigation.
If the accident investigation is professionally challenged this will have an adverse effect on these activities, excepting activities related to extensive legal challenge of findings which could keep the issue open for many, many years.
The other parts of financial services in the UK are already subject to major lacks of trust, and hence in interaction with the above will significantly undermine “confidence” and precipate avalanches.
The opponents or parts thereof will likely cite the law of unintended consequences which will exacerbate the divisions amongst the opponents.
Not directly linked to this article, but related to information out there on MH 17. There are a few things that muddle the issue, especially from the Russian view on what happened last week.
The Russians in their briefing last Monday showed the press video extracts of Civil Primary Surveillance Radar (PSR) & Secondary Surveillance Radar, (SSR). In ATC both are configured on screen to show the tracking & transponder of an aircraft. This is the circles that see in the video. The projected heading is a long line and past track can be seen as a series of 4 dots. The target aircraft’s transponder responds to interrogation by the ground station by transmitting a coded reply signal, hence the circle.
There are different modes to the system.The basic mode for this radar is called Mode A, (the box you see with the aircraft’s code, aka the “squawk”. Mode C takes the altitude from the plane and transmits it to the ground station.
Plus, there is the Automatic Dependant Surveillance (ADS), which what you get on flight tracker 24. This is a datalink system that transmits data from the aircraft’s to the stations: position, altitude & projected flight track. ADS B is mostly used in Europe, less so in the USA.
http://www.flightradar24.com/how-it-works. What would be interesting to know is the track log of MH 17 when it arrived over Donbass, because of the GPS feed in. It will show deviations, as the Russians stated that was the case. Now if that is the case, a likely cause is GPS signal degradation. Judging by the flight tracks of all the aircraft, (from another Russian visual); this seems to be the case, as they seem to have kinks. Is that due to GPS? I read somewhere that Russians hinted at this, but I cannot find the source for this.
Another tangent, the 17th July was the last scheduled of the NATO EXERCISE Breeze 2014, with ELINT, EWM a plenty in the region.
Coming back to the ATC tracks. On the video at the briefing, you will notice the circle for MH 17 change into a square; this is because the transponder info has gone. This is how the ground system alerts the ATC. In most situations, the square hovers for a while for the ATC person to take action. Nothing to do with a “strange” aircraft.
The shadows seen on the system (DUE to the PSR) in the location are the remains of the aircraft falling down. How did anymore in the briefing from a ATC or air force background fail to notice this?
Another anomaly from the Russian briefing is the suggestion that MH 17 was using a different lane, (A69) rather than L 980 to go into A87. Oversight or mistake?
http://www.airliners.de/einige-fluggesellschaften-meiden-die-ostukraine-schon-seit-monaten/33112
Filed Flight Plan Route MH 17:
EHAM – PAM – NYKER – ARNEM (UL620) – SONEB – OLDOD – SUVOX (UZ713) – OSN (UL 980) – MOBSA – POVEL – SUI – BAREP – KELOD – OBOLA – CZW -BADU – MASIV – INDIG – UTOLU – SUBAX – DERAM – LDZ (M70) – SOMOX – TOLPA – OKROD – BEMBI (L 980) – EDIMI – PEKIT – TAGNA – GANRA – TAMAK – SARNA (A87)…
Has any reader of the blog any information on “Carlos” the Spanish air traffic controller who was tweeting about the events athe the time of the disappearance of the aircraft. Has it been shown that he really was in air traffic control, is he alive, do Spanish government sources have any information on him?
Did the Poroshenko-Obama call (regarding the aftermath of the false flag) really take place or is the transcript a fake?
Grateful to read viewpoints
Has any reader of the blog any information on “Carlos” the Spanish air traffic controller who was tweeting about the events athe the time of the disappearance of the aircraft. Has it been shown that he really was in air traffic control, is he alive, do Spanish government sources have any information on him?
Did the Poroshenko-Obama call (regarding the aftermath of the false flag) really take place or is the transcript a fake?
Grateful to read viewpoints
Has any reader of the blog any information on “Carlos” the Spanish air traffic controller who was tweeting about the events athe the time of the disappearance of the aircraft. Has it been shown that he really was in air traffic control, is he alive, do Spanish government sources have any information on him?
Did the Poroshenko-Obama call (regarding the aftermath of the false flag) really take place or is the transcript a fake?
Grateful to read viewpoints
Was the similarity of MH17 to Putin’s plane intentional? Was this a “warning shot” to Putin by western powers to pull back or else they will take him out?
Many have commented previously on the mood of Putin in his press conference. Perhaps the conflicting emotion evidenced in him as he comments on this tragedy is the awareness that Nato was prepared to actually target him personally.
regarding who benefits…
Let’s look at the larger picture. http://rt.com/business/175508-ukraine-votes-western-naftogaz/
When Yats failed to deliver the gas pipelines to western control on Thursday, he had to resign.
Remember the huge battles for Slavyansk and the questions as to why the Ukie army was so focused on that one spot? It was not an obsession with Strelkov. Within 10 days of the retreat from Slavyansk on the part of the Novorussian militia, the Ukie army was guarding a gas fracking rig setting up to drill into the heart of what the west hopes is a huge Ukrainian gas field below the coal beds in the area.
http://en.itar-tass.com/world/742366
The hope has been all along that Ukraine would have frackable gas reserves that would enable the US to cut off the lines from Russia to Europe. But in March I believe it was Chevron that pulled out of areas north and west of Slavyansk when their test sites failed to turn up any gas.
I think Slavyansk represents the last and best roll of the dice for the oil companies as Slavyansk was the sweet spot of the sweet spots for potential gas. If this is a dry hole, then the war will die off real quick. If a big strike is made, the war has the potential to evolve into a Russia Nato confrontation.
by the way, the company doing the drilling has Biden’s son on the board.
just sayin’
The ZPC are promoting a new scam now. The Russians fired on Ukraine military from Russia. I’m curious how long it will take for this “evidence” to be exposed as another of the ZPC’s frauds.
US releases satellite images ‘proving’ Russia is firing into Ukraine
http://rt.com/usa/175980-us-images-russia-ukraine/
вот так
Who made this video? It is very well done in terms of being aimed at a Western audience. BRAVO!!! And please do more!
http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/07/25/mh17-sacrificed-airliner/
Long but good reaad
«Свободу угнетенным!» — американцы и европейцы делают видео ролики в поддержку Новороссии (“Freedom to the oppressed!” Americans and Europeans do videos in support of Novorossia)
http://rusvesna.su/news/1406490795 (trans) http://translate.yandex.net/tr-url/ru-en.ru/rusvesna.su/news/1406490795
” In recent video on the YouTube server and in the European and American social networks spread anti-American and Pro-Russian rollers made by foreign activists in support of the population DND and LNR.
The editors of “Russian spring” regularly receive letters from people from different countries of Europe and America with encouraging words to the address of the fighters for freedom and independence from the fascist regime of Ukraine.
This time American activists sent us a new video made by them in support of Novorossia.
Impressed by the American media, the authors included in the footage a lot of pictures with symbols of the Russian spetsnaz. Not even knowing that in Novorossia mostly for the freedom fight of the local residents, over the ocean, not a few people still support the militia and Russia in its confrontation with the USA and their satellites.
According to our well-wishers in the West quite a large number of people who do not believe Russophobic propaganda of the US and EU are trying to find reliable information.”
De Oppresso Liber!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQ2mx1M5WyE
вот так
This video looks like one worth translating.
Украинский ЗРК «БУК» на боевом дежурстве за день до трагедии Боинга-777 (видео) (Ukrainian BUK” on combat duty the day before the tragedy of the Boeing 777 (video))
http://rusvesna.su/news/1406478360 (trans) http://translate.yandex.net/tr-url/ru-en.ru/rusvesna.su/news/1406478360
” Well-known journalist Anatoly Shari found a video of the TV station of the Ministry of defense of Ukraine, captured the day before the fall of the Malaysian aircraft.
Video recorded BUK” and the radar station “Dome” of the armed forces of Ukraine in less than a day before the tragedy of the Boeing 777.”
БУК, боевое дежурство. День до трагедии
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lgfa_kWm4_k
вот так
Have the banderivtsy personnel manning the Buk battery been killed to remove the witnesses to the crime?
Не дадим замолчать самолёт! (Let silenced the plane!)
http://rusvesna.su/news/1406478219 (trans) http://translate.yandex.net/tr-url/ru-en.ru/rusvesna.su/news/1406478219
“A few days all the news headlines were full downed Boeing. About him just wrote all. And only I only collected links to other materials in his blog. But silent, because sooner had to say.
Now’s the time. Let’s see consistently. The US and its puppet Pig from the start was shouting that the plane was shot militia (almost before he was shot down, which suggests). In response, they heard the famous quote from “red heat” in the form of “What is your proof?
The US stated that the evidence they have. Pig parrot repeated that the evidence it has.
The Russian defense Ministry said “OK, but our evidence” and gave full details on pictures from space and readings of the radars. At the same time calling the flight time of the American “experimental” satellite and asking to provide photographs he made.
The data of the Ministry of defense has clearly shown that the ability to shoot down aircraft in the area had THREE batteries Ukrainian “Books”, during the day actively worked two Ukrainian radar stations. Well, for a snack showed more and information about the Ukrainian aircraft entering the path of attack aircraft (gaining height and is included into the area of optimal targeting).
Ofiget that damn Russians know about the secret satellite everything from the trajectory and speed to its purpose (in this place, I think, a couple Crusnik colonels lisis titles, if not shot himself), ameres depressed.
A couple of days they sat and tried to get out, but nothing came up. And internally recognized that the evidence they have “no.” Actually they are, but they prove that the plane was shot Ukrainian army. Everyone understands this, Yes?
Pig about their “evidence” is not recalls. And prays that other forgot. But not destiny, to be the new Osama bin Laden. Gaddafi Lockerbie has not forgiven, and the Pig will not forgive.
To sum it up: the Russians is the proof, the Americans and the junta does not. Who was knocked down – it is clear.
You little evidence? OK, there will be more.
Only the day before yesterday morning I wanted to write that in the coming days you need to keep track of sudden death among Ukrainian pilots and rocket scientists. But went to the meeting and did not have time. Was late.
Come back, and in the news already have – “During a combat mission killed the commander of uzhgoroda, commander of anti-aircraft missile platoon fire support of the military unit, And 1778 senior Lieutenant Vladimir Chernous”.
One still has to find out what happened to his subordinates, I think that anything good. Probably too casually massively killed. Dnepropetrovsk Manager already “gone missing”, so these ends have already severed (junta removes all witnesses her crimes).
Still (probably) the last living witness – pilot.
In this regard, I would like to turn to the pilot: You, of course, war criminal. But your guide is much more criminals, and if you give evidence against them – will receive the witness protection program. While Russia is able to hide even from the Americans, Snowden living proof.
So if you want to live – Begi. Urgently, because it may be too late. But not run anywhere, and to Russia and give up the Investigation Committee.
Author – Rogers”
вот так
Бородай: Похоже, Порошенко понял, что провокация с самолетом сорвалась (Boroday: looks Like Poroshenko realized that the provocation with plane was broke)
http://vz.ru/news/2014/7/27/697465.html (trans) http://translate.yandex.net/tr-url/ru-en.ru/www.vz.ru/news/2014/7/27/697465.html
“Prime DND Alexander Borodai said, trying to dislodge militia from the territory of the collapse of Boeing, Kiev seeks to destroy evidence of the crimes of its military.
Commenting on the statement of the Secretary of the NSDC of Ukraine Parubiy that the Ukrainian troops are intensifying fighting to knock militias from the place of fall of Boeing, the Chairman of the government of the Donetsk national Republic Alexander Borodai said that it was “irrefutable evidence of the fact that Kyiv is trying to destroy evidence of a crime of war”, said a statement on the website of the press service of DND.
“The junta in panic, the main thing for them now is to get away from revelations,” continued Boroday, and drew attention to the fact that the statements of Parubiy sounded exactly when international experts finally launched a full-scale work at the crash site, there is the examination and study its ruins.
“It seems that Poroshenko has understood, that the provocation with the plane fell down, and the U.S. is not going to help. So the Kiev authorities are not even confused by the fact that the statements of Parubiy directly contradict the decision Poroshenko to announce a 40-km zone around the site of the tragedy territory ceasefire,” believes Boroday.
Earlier on Sunday in the NSDC of Ukraine said that the military are trying to take overthe territory of the fall of the Malaysian Boeing-777. Fighting deployed by Ukrainian law-enforcers did not allow a group of international experts to visit the crash site.
We remind that militia DND under control of which is the territory of the fall of Boeing not hinder the examination at the crash site and agreed to allow international expertocracy, earlier on Sunday it became known that Malaysia and the government of Donetsk national Republicagreed on the admission of police of a number of countries to the place of the crash of an airliner company Malaysia Airlines…”
вот так
The lateral answer to who benefits from the downing of MH17 are the opponents of those who don’t benefit.
The UK is a major centre for brokerage, cargo, charter, insurance and transport related activities including accident investigation.
If the accident investigation is professionally challenged this will have an adverse effect on these activities, excepting activities related to extensive legal challenge of findings which could keep the issue open for many, many years.
The other parts of financial services in the UK are already subject to major lacks of trust, and hence in interaction with the above will significantly undermine “confidence” and precipate avalanches.
The opponents or parts thereof will likely cite the law of unintended consequences which will exacerbate the divisions amongst the opponents.