Over the past couple of days I have spend a lot (too lot) of time dealing with the immediate issues such as the dying (or already defunct?) ceasefire agreement. Whatever importance one can give to this document and its meaning (or lack thereof), it is important not go get bogged down and do what the French call “avoir le nez dans le guidon” (to “have your nose in the handlebars” of a bike – not to see where the road is leading you).
Whenever I look at where our road is leading us I always come to the very same conclusion: it is my belief that Novorussia will never accept anything less than de-facto independence from Kiev.
Sure, this independence might be piously ‘concealed’ behind a thin layer of symbolic Ukrainian unity, but there is simply no way that Kiev will ever have real, effective, authority over Novorussia again. I think that even Russia will have to accept that, however reluctantly.
Now I heard that Poroshenko has made a major political statement today and that he declared that the Donbass might have some “special status”, but that this would most definitely NOT be any type of federalization and that no DPR (Donetsk People’s Republic) or LPR (Lugansk People’s Republic) will ever be recognized by Kiev. I applaud Poroshenko for making that unambiguously clear statement as this only reinforces my deeply held conviction that both Novorussia and Russia proper have no other solution that regime change in Kiev. Although as this point in time this might appear an impossible task to complete, the Ukraine must be (and will be!) completely de-Nazified before any form of peace can return.
I want to share just one example of why I believe that total de-Nazification is an absolute prerequisite for peace. Check out the kind of “packages” mothers in Donetsk have been sent by one of the terror battalions paid for, and subordinated to, Igor Kolomoiski:
These are the severed heads of Novorussian soldiers captured by the Ukie death squads near Donetsk. The Ukies, of course, blamed this latest atrocity on some unidentified “Chechens” fighting on, of all things, the Novorussian side, but everybody got the message loud and clear anyway: leave before we kill you.
So when I speak of Nazi freaks or “Ukie Interahamwe” I am not being over the top at all. One the key aspects of the Junta’s strategy is to empty the Donbass of its population, ethnic cleansing if you prefer. Some have left temporarily, and others have probably left forever, but just as in Gaza, those committing these atrocities are deluding themselves if they think everybody whom they will not kill will leave. The human spirit is always stronger than terror, at least in the long run, and unless a true genocide is a real option (and in this case it is not), this terror will not achieve it’s intended result. In fact, it will only strengthen the determination of these people to fight. At any cost.
Poroshenko can lie to his people and/or even delude himself. Putin might hope that some kind of unitary Ukraine can still be preserved, but I am personally convinced that 1) Novorussia will never return under Kiev’s rule and 2) that the war will continue until regime change occurs and the Ukraine de-Nazified. Finally, I believe that even if regime change occurs in Kiev and the rump-Ukraine is de-Nazified, Novorussia will still not accept anything short of de-facto independence from Kiev. The wisdom for the future non-Nazi regime in Kiev will be to accept the inevitability of this and make the best of it: the rest of the Ukraine will be much better of rebuilding itself from the smoking rubble than to try to persuade Novorossia to come back, nevermind force it to do so.
I understand that we are still very far from this, maybe a year away or, more likely, many years away. But just like the liberation of Palestine is a historical inevitability so is the independence of Novorussia. The price to pay for this outcome might be huge, and the wait very long. But this does not make this outcome less inevitable.
I think that it is important to keep this in mind, especially through the tragic and often discouraging times we are currently going through.
The Saker
One aspect of the ceasefire that is definitely positive for the affected areas is it may allow some basic preparations for winter. Given the great destruction of infrastructure and dwellings, people may freeze to death if they don’t have proper shelter. I understand Russia is quickly laying some pipes to send gas to the region for the winter.
Igor Kolomoiski uses the same method of ISIL to terrprised the civilians.
So f*cking angry at that post. Words have failed me
Nora,
You asked about a resource to learn about the oligarchs. I can’t really suggest anything for the Russian ones, but Andrei Fursov’s speech on the oligarchical topography of the Ukraine is useful for that troubled country:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXLUJpqaQpY
It is exactly the same for the ISIS propaganda. Israel have killed hundreds of Palestinian children with shrapnel (very unlikely to get a direct hit) while they sleep in their beds – much more painful than the relatively quick beheading of US journalists (who knew what they were getting into). Former is cast aside by later by Western mass media so it is clearly just a psychological operation.
This works because of:
Flouridation
Adding palm oil recently to everything
Adding Calcium proprionate, excess Iron and other calcium, aspartame, and other additives which impair cognition and combined with poor eduction allow these non secuiturs (not emotion at the moment so much) to be sucked up and believed.
They are also manipulating the comments section by banning comments that are not breaking any rules. Adding in expanded options and putting enough screen space between page and comment that is is not clear it is there. Also preventing comments on mobile devices and making Android and Iphones crash for certain sites. (Such as this onej) and trolling massively.
One more point:
For those who do not realise England has old anglosaxon population and unbelievable quantities of third world younger immigration. Every program on TV encourages certain groups to be better/victimised and original populations to be peodophiles/racists. Anything that does not fit this schema is discarded.
Meanwhile in Israel Sudanese asylum seekers are forcibly injected with birth control drugs.
If English/their decendents ever were in charge of the Anglosphere they have lost each and every lever of power.
Same for France and particularly with Merkel in charge, Germany.
Brother cannot do this to brother, although I often think of the hatred between Croatians and Serbs as a contradiction to that notion.
I don’t understand how humans can be so cruel.
Slavs killing slavs, muslims killing muslims, Africans killing Africans… can anybody see there a common denominator here? It’s called the AngloZionist.
Same school, same way. Serbian soldiers decapitated in Bosnian War 94/95
http://www.srpska-mreza.com/Bosnia/photo/three-heads.jpg
http://theremustbejustice.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/mudzahedin.jpg
Glad you came to that conclusion already!
Novorossiya has to free itself, your pictures are gruesome and their crimes against humanity unspeakable but the next Nazi pogrom will be even worse.
De-Nazification, de-programming and anti-indoctrination is a necessity. This ideology and especially the ukie offshoot of it must be wiped out once and for all.
Mikhas.
Anonymous 12:15,
Yes. Is the connection merely a shared attitude of Exceptionalism and diabolical hatred, or is it part of our current failed-state paradigm and utterly deliberate? Kolomoiskiy is almost a cartoon caricature, he’s so Evil. But even taking him out of the picture (the sooner the better), this is one hell of a strategy.
And seeing what’s become of the remnants of my people, even a failed genocide destroys so much of the fabric of a people’s shared life and culture, those who remain really have to heal themselves for generations before they can reconstitute any kind of integral, vibrant whole. And I’m not sure that can ever be the same: so much of that fabric is just lost permanently. But after the healing, *if* given the opportunity (which we sure haven’t yet), who knows? Palestinians do have the advantage of numbers and their culture has not been destroyed like ours was, so it will be interesting to see. And young Native Americans, no longer subjugated to the deracinization of the older generations, are more connected to their past and holding their heads up with pride. ;~)
Paul II,
Thank you! :~) I’ve bookmarked it and will get to it as soon as I can get past the immediate impact of those images. I think this is exactly what I’m looking for!
@ BOT TAK
The report:
http://www.jungewelt.de/downloads/mh17.pdf
You wanted to know what the report says. Unfortunately I have not enough time to translate the complete document. But I found this article on the report on independent news site of DWN.
First this is the translation of “preliminary note of the questioner” (page 2 in the pdf-document), which is missing from the article.
“On 17 July 2014 a passenger of Malaysia airlines crashed over the Eastern Ukraine. Flight MH 17 was on its way from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur. 298 civilians who all perished according to current findings in the crash were on board the Boeing 777.
It is believed that the machine was fired. The Ukrainian army and the insurgents in the East Ukraine accuse each other to have shot down the aircraft. In addition, Ukrainian de-facto Government claims Russia support the East-Ukrainian insurgents operationally and logistically, among other things by it equip them with weapons systems. This representation is carried to various agency reports and media reports not only of NATO representatives, but also by the Federal Government, as well as German parliamentarians in the public. As the Deputy Chairman of the CDU/CSU Bundestag group for the topics of foreign, defense and security policy, Dr. Andreas Schockenhoff, said as at 31 July 2014 in the WDR radio, it was “proven” that the insurgency in the Eastern Ukraine had brought “heavy war equipment” and “Russian special forces” in the country. That “Putin has immediate influence”, “in the past always have again shown” – Russian special forces led the East-Ukrainian insurgents, and had instructed in the operation of the BUK surface-to-air missile system, with which Malaysia airlines line machine allegedly was shot down. These findings were “clearly confirmed” by intercepted radio messages. Having regard to the statement of Russia’s involvement in the activities of the rebels in the East of Ukraine and among other things in connection with the crash of flight MH 17 the EU with effect from August 1, 2014 imposed sanction stage against Russia, which includes for the first time serious economic elements.
At the time of the crash of flight MH 17 patrolled AWACS reconnaissance aircraft in the region. The deployment of AWACS radar stations after Poland and Romania was adopted already by the NATO Council in March 2014, to watch the crisis in the Ukraine by the air space at the adjacent allies of Ukraine. On 18 July 2014 the evaluation of radar records of NATO AWACS aircraft deployed on 17 July 2014 was arranged overlooking the presumed shooting down of the Malaysia airlines aircraft.”
All questions of the party “Die LINKE” and the appropriate responses of the Federal Government are listed there.
Original: http://deutsche-wirtschafts-nachrichten.de/2014/09/08/flug-mh17-bundesregierung-besteht-auf-geheimhaltung-von-funkspruechen/
Translation: http://www.microsofttranslator.com/bv.aspx?from=de&to=en&a=http%3A%2F%2Fdeutsche-wirtschafts-nachrichten.de%2F2014%2F09%2F08%2Fflug-mh17-bundesregierung-besteht-auf-geheimhaltung-von-funkspruechen%2F
I hope this is helpful to you, even if the report provides no new evidence.
The only thing I dont understand is, why are more people not fighting for their freedom?
Yes I understand it is scary and maybe I have a family to protect but I would make sure they were safe and I would fight for them to live.
Ofcourse I would need the resources to fight, guns, food, leadership etc.. Even training.. It seems most people dont want to be put out. It is incredibly hard to start an opposition, but after the coup it should have been pretty clear to everyone what was in store for them. 50,000 fighting seems rather low for a population of almost 10 mil. It means no one even cares or fear that the they will lose the little they have. But even Spartacus fought to live free and he had almost nothing.
i cant believe this. for anyone who doubted that inhuman socio-psychopaths and straight up nazis are under the control of the USA-NAZI government in the ukraine, for anyone who rolled their eyes everytime I said these motherfuckers are pure straight up nazis, there is nothing neo about them; well here is your proof.
poroshenko is a monster.
regime change in kiev is manadatory.
paul craig roberts wrote an article in which he basically encouraged putin to cut off gas immediately to all of europe full stop and then turn it back on only for non-NATO/NAZI countries.
we are coming around to a point in the global consiousnnes where the utter monstrosity of the west/usa/nato/uk/france/nazi junta is becoming naked for all to behold.
unbelievably vile shit going on…
fuck you obama, fuck you shitty peace prize, fuck your country, fuck everything you stand for you thieving murdering piece of shit.
regime change in AMERICA! cut off the heads of all the vile elite motherfuckers who happily sip lattes and live so happily while murder is done in their names, with their cash and for their comforts.
history has a long arc towards justice, may it be reached even after I am dead!
The severed heads shown are rumoured to be screen shots from ISIS video in the mideast.
I don’t know this for sure, but it is very possible.
Either way, the Nazi Ukies have done things equally sick cruel and evil to civilians and Novorossian troops.
Dear Saker,
I am unable to access the site in your link. I suspect it may show images such as the two on this web site.
I saw them late yesterday on a Nazi supporter’s blog. He claimed the photos were taken in Syria. However, the soil is very dark, just like the prolific Ukrainian chernozem (‘black soil’). There is green vegetation lying around and growing which strongly refutes his pathetic argument.
There is earlier evidence of Pravi Sektor barbarity. A video, dating from 10 May 2014, shows two Pravi Sektor thugs hanging a blindfolded man, identified only by a banner ‘Moskal in space’. The hanging is not a merciful long drop resulting in a broken neck and instantaneous death but a cowboy-style hanging resulting in death by strangulation. The poor man struggles with his hands tied behind his back for two minutes or so before he finally expires.
I note the video has been removed. I’m sure copies of it still exist as evidence of the crime.
Novorossia should not make any deals until the Nazis are sorted out once and for all.
Alien Tech asked why more were not fighting.
I saw it reported elsewhere that the Militia had so many volunteers that they were turning them away, only accepting those who had already done military service or had other skills they needed. They made the point that they did not need ‘cannon fodder’ as that was not the way they fought.
There was also an implication that some were sent away on training courses so they would not be visible for a while.
JohninMK
I wish you could have included a warning before the graphic was visible, or put the graphic on another page. It’s way too gruesome for this blog, considering the previous graphic content.
Porishenko in Mariupol as covered by Vice News
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1K6bn6f6kc
I saw John Pilger give a very powerful speech in memory of Edward Said last night. The resemblance of the plight of the Gazans to that of the Novorossyans, both assailed by merciless racist Nazis, is chilling. The ironies abound, too. The Zionazi killers initially conducted their throat-slitting horrors just a few years after the forebears of these Ukrainian butchers had slaughtered Jews without mercy. In every society, every tribe, every religion there are always evil bastards who can be incited to murder and carnage, it just requires some diabolical force prepared to unleash the Hell-hounds. And the ruling elites of the West, led by the USA, have fulfilled that monstrous role for decades. As Pilger said last night, they have now driven humanity back to the brink of nuclear annihilation over Ukraine,led by the odious Obama.
One of Uncle Satan’s favourite death-squads, the Colombian Rightwing militia, long led by a real favourite butcher, Uribe, refined the practise by introducing decapitation by chain-saw. They seem not to have grasped the propaganda value of filming their heroic exploits and ‘up-loading’ them, however.
One of Uncle Satan’s favourite death-squads, the Colombian Rightwing militia, long led by a real favourite butcher, Uribe, refined the practise by introducing decapitation by chain-saw. They seem not to have grasped the propaganda value of filming their heroic exploits and ‘up-loading’ them, however.
Pratim Vineyard-a nekoliko mjeseci i sta reci.Fenomenalno..
Tebi licno brate zelim da se zahvalim na divnom analitickom i sazetom poredjenju .
Ti znas za izreku da Srbi sto ratom dobiju politikom izgube .
Nadam se od sveg srca da Rusiju ta zla karma nece zateci .
My Dear Saker you have must have heard of the saying that what ever the Serbs wins in wars they loose in politics .Thats why i am in what you say panic mode right now.
I am praying for my russian brothers not to make our mistakes ..
When I saw the tears in Mr.Putins eyes the oter day it deaply strikes me on deepest Slovenic level.
P.S.
LOVE YOUR BLOG MAN .GOOD DAMN JOB …
My Dear Saker you have must have heard of the saying that what ever the Serbs wins in wars they loose in politics .Thats why i am in what you say panic mode right now.
I am praying for my russian brothers not to make our mistakes ..
When I saw the tears in Mr.Putins eyes the oter day it deaply strikes me on deepest Slovenic level.
P.S.
LOVE YOUR BLOG ,MAN .GOOD DAMN JOB …
Nora 12:15
Nora, in my town here on Saltspring there is a native guy, Wesley Hardistry who’s a singer, fiddler, songwriter…he’s so beautiful…maybe you might like to look him up…very beautiful face….
Ann,
WOW! He is truly amazing — thank you! ;~) But do you know what else I’m hearing? Check this one out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k40wfBXPKtQ
bc Old Nora here sure do be hearing … the blues! ;~) A lot of whose progenitors, btw, had Injun blood and even names (Howling Wolf, among many others). And if you think about it, the beat, and the rhythm, really aren’t African. I don’t care, I’ve always adored Celtic music and the blues as well as Southern ballads, but it’s kind of neat.
If you’re into music, another thing you might do, btw, is check out Native American flute music, bc it is utterly haunting, and kind of a wee bit Celtic too in some ways.
Thank you again for this! I’m going to have a good time here! ;~)
See this is the problem, All you people have to make up lies to scare the populace into thinking this propaganda is true. You have just as much blood on your hands as the Russians in the war. Shame on you.
@Saker can you please explain, if the current regime of Ukraine should fall, who will lead the rebellion and how will it? I appreciate your work, but I don’t believe that there will honest citizens of Kyiv marching on the street spontaneously, drive by sheer anger and dissatisfaction with the government, surround the Parliament building and force everyone to come out, after that some ‘random’ person comes out of the public as a wise leader, takes charge and denazifies the country, revives the econmy and builds back good relationships with Russia and the west. I don’t believe in these stories. There is no opposition in the government of Ukraine which will do that, nor do I see anyone who can make it happend. I see only 3 ways in which this can end:
1) the militia enters Kyiv (which is less likely)
2) every oligarch creates his own state, cause he realises that mutual management is impossible and Ukraine simpy dissolutes in few seperate countries, causing
3) Donetks and Lughansk get conquered , Novorossiya and whole Ukraine, get ethnically cleansed from Russian speaking population and everyone who declares himself Russian (not certin how likely this is, cause the Ukies got some mad power from Good Guy Sam and the boys in blue, but on the other hand your statement is also valid and there are partisan activities in Kharkiv and Odessa)
L
*causing something like a Lybian scenario (this part somehow slipped :P )
L
Interesting article about who runs the show.
“Why have they not as of yet opted for their own debt-free currency?”
http://herstelderepubliek.wordpress.com/2014/09/14/only-a-military-coup-can-save-russia/