For a couple of days now, I have posted various items showing the large number of casualties amongst the Ukie forces fighting against Novorussia, and I have observed with some amusement how many of you have expressed doubts about the veracity of these figures. Today Nora drew my attention to a short video of a Ukie army recruiting officer being confronted by a crowd of civilians, mostly women, mostly mothers. The video is a few days old, but this version is subtitled in English, so please watch it now:
Now, there are a couple of thing I would like to share with you after this video.
First, believe me, these women are aware of the terrifying rumours which speak of casualty figures way higher then those mentioned officially. Keep in mind that a lot of Ukie soldiers simply disappear either torn into unrecoverable small pieces of meat and bones, or hastily buried into mass graves by their own officers to cover up their deaths, either quietly killed and secretly buried by the civilians of Novorussia (I have seen a video of Ukie recruits who say that they are terrified of the local civilians who smile at them and then kill them as soon as they get an opportunity).
Second, and this what a lot of you are missing, the Ukie and Novorussian militaries are dramatically different. Let me explain:
Ukrainian military:
The Ukrainian military has been completely neglected by all the governments in power since 1991. Do you remember the condition of the Russian military during the First Chechen war? Now imagine taking that military, and instead of turning it around, you let it further degrade for another 20 years. That would be more or less what the Ukie military is today. Add to this that most officers and soldiers do not want to fight. Besides fighting a war they personally don’t want (again, not all Ukrainians are Right Sector Nazi fanatics!), they are also literally hungry (they eat snakes now) and totally under equipped. The command and control system of the Ukie military is more or less dead. The ONLY advantage of the Ukies is the sheer number of aircraft, tanks and artillery, and that really is a purely quantitative advantage.
Novorussian military:
It is composed solely of volunteers. Even the partial mobilization decreed recently in Donetsk is a moral obligation: you are told you have to show up, but if you do not, nobody will get you. Second, there are a lot of very experienced soldiers and officers on the Novorussian side. As as a direct result of that the following is true:
That is literally true. Even if it is exactly the same Grad MLRS. In fact, many, possibly most Grads used by the Novorussians are trophies taken away from the Ukies. But whereas the Uky artillery almost exclusively shoots in more or less random way in the general direction of the other side, hitting only civilians, the Novorussians use each Grad with devastating effectiveness choosing the correct munition, landing it with surgical accuracy right on top of the Ukie positions.
Then look at the footage of Novorussian fighters: a lot of them are 30+ to 40+ years old group. These are folks who have already spent a lot of time in the military, often with experience of war, and who know their job very very well. Yes, it is true that the Novorussians still need many more of such experiences “wolves of war” as they are called in Russian, but they already have a lot of them. So on one hand you have clueless but young guys, and on the other, older, but experienced pros who know how to survive.
Furthermore, you can look at any video shot on the Novorussian side, and it is clear that their morale is extremely high. Most of you have probalby seen the footage made a few days ago of the Vostok Battalion on Saur Mogila where the local commander, Samurai, was preparing his men to go into battle to attack the Ukies in the southern cauldron and then the footage shows them jumping on their vehicles and going into battle. Sure, the guys were tired and serious, but also extremely motivated and impatient to resume the fight. The contrast with footage taken on the Ukie side could not have been stronger.
And then, let’s be honest about it, by now there are a lot of very experienced fighters from Russia in the Novorussian military. Again, these are older men, often with brand new gear, who appear to be either NCOs or officers and who are clearly very highly motivated.
Finally, the Ukies are lead by corrupt and incompetent generals, imagine Pavel Grachev, but even worse. The reports that the fighting Ukies absolutely hate and despise their commanders (not the direct commander, but the top brass, the generals) are all over the social media. On the other hand, you have folks like Strelov, Samurai, Motorola, Kedr, Khodakovskii and others of clearly are both very experienced and very talented. And, again, this is my personal opinion, but there is no doubt in my mind that these local commanders not only have all sorts of, shall way say, “advisers” from the Russia, but that the Russian military supports the Novorussians with intelligence and expertise (who do you guess was the first to detect the envelopment manover attempted by the Ukies along the Russian border?).
So this is in no way the fault of the Ukrainian foot solider who is, by all accounts, courageous, extremely strong willed and who will execute his mission in the toughest conditions. Just look at how long the poor Ukrainian soldiers in the Southern Cauldron have been resisting under absolutely nightmarish conditions! But in these circumstances the Ukies don’t stand a chance, and even though they do have an advantage in the open field by the sheer number of artillery, tanks and aircraft, as soon as they get into closer combat the Novorussians make minced meat out of them.
The true figures are hidden by the junta
Remember this: if Novorussia has something like 6,5 million people, the entire Ukraine has somewhere 40 million people. So what does the junta do? They spread out the casualties. The Ukies are now conducting their THIRD partial mobilization (penalty for refusing to serve: 5 years in jail). They are taking young men as cannon fodder form all over the Ukraine, from Lvov to Vinnitsa to Chernigov and they send them to Novorussia to get butchered by an army and population which fights with the energy of despair and which fights on its own land.
This might shock you and I will get a lot of nasty comments for saying this, but I personally think that the Ukie casualty figures are grossly UNDER-estimated and that when this horrible civil war comes to and end and this issue is professionally investigated we will find that the real figures of killed Ukrainians will be way higher than even the highest figures quoted today.
I think that as it typically the case in a dictatorship, the fact that the 5 state owned TV stations say exactly the same nonsense does not prevent the other information from seeping in in all sorts of creative manners: the Internet, of course, but also relatives abroad, the Russian media, leaks from the government structures, etc. And then you have the number of neighbours who are being told that they son “died like a hero for his country” (and, typically, that his body was not recovered) who then talk to you in the evenings, around a kitchen table, when nobody is around. So for all the Ukie official propaganda the poor women on the video above are absolutely terrified that if they military is allowed to run a conscription locally their sons and husbands will also “died a hero’s death”. Hence their desperate rage.
Us and them?
This is a truism, but I will say this again here: the vast majority of the soldiers fighting against Novorussians are Russian themselves, in the sense that they speak Russian, they are not Nazis at all and they are not the crazy Euromaidanites who started all this shit – they are simple country or small town folks who watched it all on the TV. Sure, they probably hated Yanukovich, but no more than they hated Timoshenko or Yushchenko, and while they feel Ukrainian that does not mean that they have this satanic russophobia so typical of the real Ukie Nazis. Not even most of the National Guard are hardened “Ukie Interahamwe”. That scum is mostly found in the deathsquads of Kolomoiskii and Liashko. In those units you truly have the scum of the earth, pathologically evil sickos who will crucify babies and strangle pregnant women with a telephone cord. This is not a typical Ukrainian thing, by the way, you will find a minority of such sociopaths in any country and society. The difference is that in a civilized and normal society you typically find these types in jail, whereas in the current Ukraine turned Banderastan they are in positions of power. But I am absolutely sure that you could find the proportion of maniacal thugs amongst Russians, Belgians, Peruvians or even Eskimos. That is just a sad part of the human nature. The scary thing is that in Banderastan they get to rule the rest of society.
I take immense solace in the fact that Russians clearly understand that, even the Novorussians do. I just watched a video about 40+ Ukrainian border guards who were terribly shot up by the Novorussians and who offered to surrender in exchnage for a safe passage to Russia. Not only did the Novorussians accept that, but they also fed them, treated their wounds (often terrible ones), then brought them across the border where the Russian military treated them again and then let them chose between staying in Russia or returning home (and risk being investigated by the Nazis for “desertion”). Those who wanted to return did so on Russian military aircraft.
A few commentators said that this was stupid on the Russian part. I categorically disagree. If these guys had been Kolomoiskii’s thugs, then yes, it would have been stupid. But these were basically decent guys, used as canon fodder, in other words, victims. And I am proud that the Russians also understood that and acted with kindness and compassion towards them.
To those of you who believe that the Ukie Nazis might get such a sweet deal, I can reassure you – forget it. Russia is Russia and war is war. In Chechnia for example, when caught the Wahabis were given a 10-15 min one on one “interview” with a a few Paratrooper or Spetsaz NCOs which rapidly established their values as prisoners in an extremely unpleasant dialog for the Wahabi and then, unless the Russians thought they had a high value prisoner, they would be summarily executed and buried. I have no doubt whatsoever of what the Novorussians do when the catch a member of a Ukie death squad and I can assure you that they will not treat his wounds or allow him to survive longer than 30min max. But, again and again, the vast majority of the Ukies butchered today are not members of death squads and even though they are clearly fighting on the wrong side, they have very little choice and they are therefore also first and foremost victims who deserve our compassion.
The Ukrainian tragedy
The Russian word безобразие (bezobrazie) is often translated into English as ugliness, of deformity or even scandal or chaos. But that is not a very good rendering of its meaning. Bezobrazie is composed of the prefix “bez” which means “without” and then the word “obraz” which means “image” or “type” or even “character”. What bez-obraz-ie means the “absence of a coherent image” or, literally, the “loss of your own identity”. This is what happened to the Ukrainian people, they lost their own real identity and they let it be replaced by a ugly, xenophobic, murderous and hate-filled “mask” of sorts, which is not at all what the real Ukrainian culture used to be. This is immensely sad, and I want to hope that this horror can be healed. But in the meantime, Russians need to make sure that they do now allow themselves to be changed by this war, they need to make sure that the Russian people retain their own spiritual and cultural “obraz” in the sense of “identity”. This is also one crucially important reason why they should continue to treat the Ukie soldiers with compassion and kindness: Russian compassion can be a powerful weapon against Ukie hatred and maybe even an impulse for the Ukrainian people to recover their true identity.
The Saker
I agree with every single word here, completely!
The difference between the sons of God and the progeny of the devil must be affirmed every moment.
The very instant when we start acting the same way they do, when we let the injustices and the evil suffered lead us to hate humans and life, it’s the instant their master wins.
We live by the Spirit, let’s walk by the Spirit too.
Of course, let’s not exaggerate, discernment is needed.
To walk by the Spirit does not mean that we must take into consideration extortion attempts made by the international crime syndicate, like this last one:
http://en.ria.ru/business/20140728/191372640/Hague-Court-Requests-Russia-to-Pay-50-Billion-to-Yukos.html
The Spirit of God is the Spirit of Truth, after all.
-translated with yandex-
Surrendered soldiers Mat can join the militia or become refugees in Russia – the order Strelkova
Defense Minister DND Igor Strelkov has issued the order on the introduction of measures applied to voluntarily surrendered to the soldiers of the armed forces.
Being aware of what is happening in the Ukrainian army, forced mobilization, increasing aversion to Kiev junta, the growing chaos and infirmity of Ukrainian command, sending people to the slaughter like animals at the slaughterhouse, guided by considerations of humanity, military command DND issued a Decree on the introduction of measures applied to voluntarily surrendered to the servicemen of the Ukrainian armed forces.
The text of the Order is attached.
ORDER
The commander of the militia of the Donetsk national Republic
27.07.2014 gg Donetsk
On the introduction of measures applied to
who surrendered voluntarily to servicemen
Ukrainian armed forces
Recently in the armed forces of Ukraine there has been a sharp increase in the number of servicemen, unwilling to continue the fratricidal war against its own people and refuses to execute criminal orders of their commanders. Such servicemen undergoing different sorts of punishment, by their commanders, and violent suppression of the Nazis, up to extra-judicial executions, however, do not surrender to the forces of militia DND, fearing reprisal from the latter. Guided by considerations of humanity in the name of ending the bloodshed and save lives of Ukrainian soldiers forcibly directed to the zone fratricidal carnage.
I hereby ORDER:
(see full article here: http://translate.yandex.net/tr-url/ru-en.ru/rusvesna.su/news/1406539597 )
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This article was Originally Published inside the Diner Forum as a Post from Diner Agelbert. Agelbert is a former Air Traffic Controller and Vietnam War Intelligence Operations Specialist & Aerial Reconnaisance Photo Analyst. Included in his post is a Flight Simulator analysis as well as speculation on the Context & Causes surrounding the Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 Aircraft Downing
http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/blog/2014/07/25/mh17-downing-background-context-cause-hypothesis/
@ Saker
First:
When you publish a good article, the quality of the comments improves too.
Second:
The BBC World Service just reported an important victory for the Ukrainian army in cutting communications between Donetsk and Lugansk.
In contrast, this blog reports that the Ukrainian army is taking heavy casualties which may prove unsustainable.
I suspect the BBC is unable to resist the political pressure and it is not able to deliver balanced reporting.
I watched your video of the women burning the conscription forms. This is exactly the kind of thing the BBC used to report on at the beginning of the protests. To me, this is more evidence that the BBC can’t do its job properly in the current climate.
Please keep up the good work.
For what it’s worth, my view is that the regime in Kiev uses cluster bombs to kill women and children. The DPR and LPR have legitimate rights and do not carry out terrorist acts. Therefore, the Kiev regime is entirely wrong and at fault here and it is perfectly reasonable to call them Nazi.
can “we” do the same as this for the Donbass and help spread the word
http://humanizepalestine.com/
http://craigladams.com/blog/a-prayer-for-enemies/Oop
Let me suggest further points.
1. To increase confidence that the junta and friends are a temporary aberation selling Ukraine for their own benefit.
2. That when we beat them together we can all live in peace.
“Bread and peace”.
The dead don’t desert.
“Now putting aside the fact that thousands of Bosnian Muslims were fighting alongside Bosnian Serbs against the Sarajevo regime”
This is complete nonsense. What do wars in Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo have in common? You guessed it – Serbs were on the other side in each one (Serbs against Slovenians in Slovenia, Serbs against Croats in Croatia, Serbs against Bosniaks and Croats in Bosnia, Serbs against Kosovo Albanians in Kosovo). Having majority in JNA (Yugoslav national army) they had overwhelming power in hardware so they used the same tactics as Ukies – parked their tanks and guns, surrounding towns and shelling civilian population. Quit spreading propaganda as Serbs were innocent victims – they were not. When NATO bombed Serbia, all I thought was – if only they could both lose.
(…)satellite images (…) that appear to support its claims (…) [appear, claims] suggesting a new level of direct Russian involvement in the conflict [suggesting]. NB “new level” means there was an old level “of direct Russian involvement” (NB direct). (I think that can be called ‘corning the goose’) (…) “a senior intelligence official who asked not to be named” (?). [asked not to be named] (…) it was not clear when the artillery strikes were launched [not clear] (NB it’s therefore presumed by USATODAY that the strikes WERE launched ( ‘corning the goose’)) “indicating the strike took place sometime between those dates” (indicating, sometime) (…) suggests that Russia has continued to support (…) [suggests] have been accused of shooting down the Malaysia Airlines flight (accused) (…) The U.S. said (…) Ukraine’s National Security Council said (…) Analysts say (…) [‘corning the goose’: (…) progress that Ukraine’s armed forces have made against the rebels].
Admittedly there’s one semi-statement with perhaps a real name and surname (Jim Howcroft, “a retired Marine intelligence officer with extensive experience in the region”). What does Howcroft gives us? A “would”: “He said that capability would allow rebels to (…)”. Go figure what capability means…. So let’s run through it again: appear, who asked not to be named, not clear, indicating, sometime, suggests, accused, said, would. Not bad for a dozen micro-paragraphs, i.e. no story. There was a journo who once said “If someone told me my mother loved me, I’d want three independent sources to confirm that before I’d submit the story”.
Those days are gone. Headline: U.S. releases images showing Russia firing into Ukraine
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/07/27/russia-ukraine-intelligence-rockets/13239907/?utm_source=feedblitz&utm_medium=FeedBlitzRss&utm_campaign=usatoday-newstopstories&utm_term=%2AMorning%20Brief
That’s exactly ‘USA today’.
Larchmonter,
Yes to both parts of your question above, and likewise to your suggestion. Also, going back to the discussion on that earlier thread, your grandfather (and father too, I’ll bet) didn’t just suffer from discrimination in immigration quotas, he faced a whole lot of it once he got here. Strictly-defined neighborhoods/street fighting if he crossed a line, etc. It took a loooong time for Southern and Eastern Europeans to become fully “white”, unfortunately, just like the Irish before them. And in some places, truth be told, they still aren’t — plenty of folks out where we live still think “Eye-talians” are all Mafia and are literally afraid of anyone with an Italian name except the guy who owns the local pizza place, and I’m not sure they totally trust him either. But in urban/suburban areas at least, things did change and fwiw I believe VERY strongly that this all-of-us-learning-to-all-get-along is the true strength of our country: E Pluribus Unum, out of many, one. Might you be interested, btw, in continuing the discussion on that thread? Mohamed I pretty much agree with but Dacia’s ideas, if you think of power instead of money, are just fascinating!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eA4xXah–e4
Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah’s speech on Al Quds Day 2014 – with English subtitles..
Tarek
and interesting article from Serbia
http://www.nspm.rs/kolumne-djordja-vukadinovica/milosevic-i-putin-novorusija-i-rsk-%E2%80%93-smisao-i-granice-jedne-analogije.html
Mothers revolution in Ukrajina:
Тернопол – Ternopil:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pkl4sDOhrq8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Evs22DOqYbQ
Kiev:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VL7_Rpu_I0
Херсон – Kherson :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xn2DaJYoo-s
Днепропетровск – Dnipropetrovsk :
protest for prezident in tv:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScCf-gfmIWA
Николаев – Mykolaiv:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIaaLHdnIg4
Bukovina region:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBc60QYYQDk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSNlgtKFgR4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXMJ2_2aH9g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3J-v-fr4Y0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkyvWHOGTq0
and interesting article from serbia
http://www.nspm.rs/kolumne-djordja-vukadinovica/milosevic-i-putin-novorusija-i-rsk-%E2%80%93-smisao-i-granice-jedne-analogije.html
Facing this choice, I would opt for the 5 years jail time.
From multiple sources, estimation:
Antufeev now DNR Prime Minister
Borodai out
Strelkov underground
UA army offensive failed as usual
MSM hints that MH17 ‘we’ll never know’
Information based partially on information published by a German source (http://wahrheitfuerdeutschland.de/?p=3622) and on unidentified correspondence, a Ukrainian pilot reportedly confessed (in exchange for money?) that MH17 was shot down with his plane SU-25 based at the airport in Poltava, No. 10902, using a cannon. The hit was executed in the direction of the plane’s front. The plane was, however, flown during that particular mission by a Polish pilot with a US citizenship. At the airport, he served under the name of “Peter Hiller” [Heller?], age 41. The US contractor/mercenary was supposed to have left Ukraine on July 20 for Poland and then with a new passport (and a name?) for another country.
Пилот украинской СУ-25 подтвердил, что малайзийский рейс сбит из его бортовой пушки.
…из переписки:
Боинг был атакован и сбит истребителем СУ 25 борт 10902
Место взлета истребителя – Полтава
Возраст летчика 41 год. Поляк с американским гражданством.
В Полтаве находился под именем Питер Гиллер.
20. 07. 2014 г. из Полтавы он выехал в Польшу, сменил паспорт и покинул страну
hAZE said…..
“This is complete nonsense. What do wars in Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo have in common? You guessed it – Serbs were on the other side in each one, Serbs against Bosniaks, “
Well hAZE, you are certainly entitled to your bizarre opinion, however, all you are doing is parroting the Empires lies.
Ever hear of Fikret Abdic?
Cazinska Krajina aka the Autonomous Republic of Western Bosnia?
Once again:
The facts are that thousands of Bosnian Muslims were fighting alongside Bosnian Serbs against the Sarajevo regime.
Meezer
The US MIC is desperate. Vietnam II in Ukraine will radicalize the domestic American population which is already living in a police state and a near-economic collapse. The moribund left will be revitalized in the millenial generation and many elements of the libertarian-oriented right will join them in this fight. Putting a large percentage of the American people in open opposition to the government for the first time since the 70s.
Brilliant strategy on the part of the Russian Federation.
All support to New Russia!
The best name for Porishenko is PETROSHIK…one who eviscerates animals when slaughtered…
Nard
Ah, yes, the zionist official diplomatic medium – twitter. A long overdue upgrade from the crayons and craft paper used before.
‘Fake’: Russian Defence Min rebuffs US sat image claims
http://rt.com/news/176120-fake-ukraine-images-defence/
“Russia’s Defense Ministry has stated that “fake” satellite images of alleged shelling of Ukraine from Russian territory were created by US counselors “with close links to Ukraine’s Security Council.”
The authenticity of the images is impossible to prove, the ministry added.
The Defense Ministry stated that the images posted by the US ambassador Geoffrey Pyatt on his Twitter account, allegedly proving the shelling of Ukraine from Russian territory, are “fake,” ITAR-TASS reports.
“These materials were posted to Twitter not by accident, as their authenticity is impossible to prove – due to the absence of the attribution to the exact area, and an extremely low resolution. Let alone using them as ‘photographic evidence’,” Igor Konashenkov, the official representative of the ministry, stated.
“Pictures” like this, the general continued, “have also been provided by Kiev representatives as an excuse for the usage of heavy artillery and other weaponry by the Ukrainian army – against the country’s civilian population.”
“Last Friday, Ukrainian Defense Minister Valery Geletey again tried to add a sensational side to photo collages like this in the Ukrainian media – in vain. But on Sunday, the US ambassador to the Ukraine joined in, posting those satellite images on his Twitter page, which secured him the attention of the loyal Ukrainian media,” the Russian ministry said.
This scheme is called “an informational merry-go-round,” Konashenkov added, using an expression commonly uttered in Russia relating to feeding the information to the media.
“It’s no secret to anyone that fakes like this are made by a group of US counselors staying in the Kiev building of the Security Council, led by General Randy Kee,” he noted.
The general outlined the cycle as follows: the US counselors in the Kiev feed the disinformation to the Ukrainian media, with the news being taken by the Washington official representatives and presented as statements.
Afterwards, the Ukrainian media cite the US authorities and publish articles like as “objective.”
вот так
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/ukraine-uno-spricht-von-schreckensherrschaft-der-separatisten-a-983190.html
can you please comment on those reports. is there any veracity to those (the=is is after all a united nations report – not that this means that much nowadays)
Dear The Saker,
Low and behold the nationalities of the Judges in the Yukos case:
http://pca-cpa.org/shownews.asp?nws_id=440&pag_id=1261&ac=view
A complete and utter stitch up in my view. Disgraceful!
Russia isn’t part of the EU either nor has ratified its charter…
Seriously the BRICS need to set up their own courts.
Rgds,
Veritas
Everyone`s entitled to its own opinion, however bizarre it is, so am I and so are you.
Since you are quoting my post, why didn`t you quote it all? Have you found something displeasing about wars in former Yugoslavia in the 1990`s? Everywhere where there are atrocities, one nation comes up.
Yes, I`ve heard of Fikret Abdić, but saying that his fighters fought along Serbs was far fetched. It was merely “my enemy`s enemy is my friend” situation. They coexisted and that`s all.
Once again: Ukies are using same tactics as Serbian forces did in wars in former Yugoslavia: encircling towns and smashing them with artillery, snipers and mortars, causing as much civilian casualties as possible, making the domicile population suffer and eventually leave, making ethnically cleansed areas.
@Robin Morritt,
The BBC is under control of the Zionist Jewish/Israel lobbies in Britain.
Start with this from I believe 5 years ago:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E21MdXe3BOQ
Here is a documentary about what I just said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGAyJpzJwp4
SAKER – HOLD THE PRESSES: NEW FORENSIC REPORT ON MH17 PROVES IT WAS SHOT DOWN BY TRACER BULLETS i.e. AIR TO AIR
http://www.anderweltonline.com/wissenschaft-und-technik/luftfahrt-2014/schockierende-analyse-zum-abschuss-der-malaysian-mh-017/
Poroshenko should be called “Petroshenko” a petroshik is someone who eviscerates animals after they have been slaughtered!
Nard
Global research comes up with a BBC Russian Service video report on MH-17 deleted by the BBC. It contains witness statements that MH-17 was shot down by a military aircraft.
Paul C, thanks for that link. Convincing narrative but I am no expert. Plan: kill the crew in an instant so they cannot call warning and cause the aircraft to tear apart at the same time. There might be sounds recorded on the black box of the attack – a few seconds maybe. Is the BUK a total red herring? A launch to give cover for the operation? This still may not be the complete story – the turn at the end indicated by RADAR data released by Russia?
The YUKOS judgement, “additional measures” to be taken by US and Europe… they just don’t stop.
Imagine you are Putin and your enemy has just murdered 300 civilians in an airliner and blamed you for it and you know this…
Nora,
I think to stay on topic of the state or condition of life, law, economy and representation in government I would just brief this: America, our dream, is over, is in transition.
That is why Americans have flocked to this blog. We identify with the Russian state of things, the stage of development and struggle to exist and grow and contribute to global stability and prosperity.
We thought, as Americans, that our own values were being projected outward, and protected by some exceptionalism, meaning, by blood shed for others in noble causes and crusades against nazism, fascism and imperialism.
We had a naive sense of things, being prosperous, open to change in technology, progressive in education and discourse. All the while, the Cult of Liberalism has taken hold of education from top to bottom, and the Elite Establishment has ruined the middle class and spread militarism and kinetic exports to every region of the world.
We have lost the country. The Constitution and Rule of Law is shredded.
So, we have our hopes on a multi-polar, multi-cultural religious-spiritual world where harmony can bring us together and reunite humans with nature.
But it won’t be remaking America. That dream is being transformed by Cultural Revolution v. 2.0. It’s grasp on power is virtually total.
Here is an interesting article by Paul Craig Roberts on the back story to the release of imagery on twitter allegedly showing Russia launching missile attacks into Ukraine. The release was not an official release, but done with the aim of being picked up by docile MSM. This would give State plausible deniability whilst triggering a propaganda surge.
Dear Saker,
If Ukraine were in South America, there would have been a military coup against the government weeks or months ago, no? I would appreciate it if you or knowledgeable readers would help me understand the cultural differences that apparently preclude such an obvious outcome in Ukraine.
Other thoughts:
Since a preference for the Russian or Ukrainian language was viewed at the outset of this awful conflict as an indicator of political sentiment, shall we assume that ordinary folks such as we see in the “Ukrainians are burning …” video are speaking Ukrainian? How significant is that? Would there be even more outrage if this were a Russian-speaking crowd?
I imagine that the presence or absence of Nazi tattoos on captured UA fighters provides an easy way to distinguish between involuntarily-conscripted sheep and hardcore fascist goats. A mark of Cain, so to speak. Cain got his mark and the curse that went it for murdering his brother and lying about it to God. Brother Ukrainians, brother Slavs.
▶ Flight MH17 – What You’re Not Being Told – YouTube
@ Pegasus,
Q: If Ukraine were in South America, there would have been a military coup against the government weeks or months ago, no?
R: The US can only do that much, you know…?
As many aspiring empires have found out, you don’t mess with Russia or its immediate ‘satellites.’
Those ‘color revolutions’ may sound good, but they don’t have actual ‘teeth’ to ‘bite.’
@ Larchmonter445,
Q: So, we have our hopes on a multi-polar, multi-cultural religious-spiritual world where harmony can bring us together and reunite humans with nature.
R: Aka ‘Welcome to Israel…!’
Eeeewww, mouth vomit tastes horrible…
Those whobsay that evil American empire or evil British empire are/were like Roman empire, is completely false because Romans did not have racism, or low morality like thse anglosaxon pirates who never had any class, besides Romans fought while anglosaxonx plotted and rekied upon creating rift amonst her comeptetors.
Do not glorify piarate theiving angloamericans with Comparson eith Romans -they are more like carthage in attitude and genetics rather than true Europeans.
Those whobsay that evil American empire or evil British empire are/were like Roman empire, is completely false because Romans did not have racism, or low morality like thse anglosaxon pirates who never had any class, besides Romans fought while anglosaxonx plotted and rekied upon creating rift amonst her comeptetors.
Do not glorify piarate theiving angloamericans with Comparson eith Romans -they are more like carthage in attitude and genetics rather than true Europeans.
@ Sandro Viali
Q: do you know that many Roman Emperors were not roman, and not even italic?
R: Rome, and its Empire, has brought may riches to the European/Mediterranean hinterland, that’s an undeniable fact. However, in the grand scheme of life, it’s all about sustainability and a prolonged presence, not that much about having been in commend for a few years [according to universal, non-existing time measurements].
‘Lupus est homo homini non homo quom qualis sit non novit.’
Daniel Rich,
Sorry to hear about your digestive tract problems.
Tums?
If a Russian general farts on the outskirts of Moscow, the US will provide instant satellite imagery [X-ray, ultraviolet, subsonic, high-res pics], but when an airliner is shot down [MH17], it comes up with a 2010 Google image with some crayon drawings on top.
The idiocy thrown at me is quite insulting, but yeah, that’s what life has turned into once you stop being a suckling on a government’s teat and end being a tit.
Larchmonter,
Not all of us bought into American Exceptionalism, except as a system that, with certain controls/regulations in place, seemed to work. But that system was flawed and based on us being the only guys left standing post-WWII. We just didn’t know it, or enough about it anyway.
The Cult of Liberalism, whatever that means, was hardly the fault of this. But Neo-Liberalism, the current and thoroughly Evil incarnation of the disgusting and out-of-control oligarchy we have become, IS the problem. New Democrats (Carter, Clinton, Obama) were NEVER Liberal in any way shape or form, and neither Liberals (hapless, arrogant fools that they are) nor Socialism (ain’t ever happened here) are at fault: but everyone on both sides of the aisle from Carter on fell right in line with Greenspan, Milton Friedman, Leo Strauss and the Bilderburg crowd. Social issues like abortion, gun control and gay rights have never been anything more than extremely successful Get Out The Vote efforts for both sides, obscuring what has really been going on and keeping us from uniting to work against it. We’ve got to get rid of every last elected official in DC and start over. Abolishing the Fed, re-regulating Wall Street and banning any political contribution whatever except $5/person/candidate would be a great litmus test for anyone wanting public office anywhere.
Those women are ethnic Romanians from a village in Northern Bukowina / Hertsa region. It would seem that Romanians (second minority in Ukrraine after Russians) are the first targeted to be mass-drafted into the army.
That is a very powerful video. Enough to make you weep. Brings to mind the protests against the “dompas” and the sad events of Sharpeville. Thanks for sharing.
As for the Saker’s comments about “us and them”, I totally agree and have been saying this all along, that we must be careful not to play a role in drawing distinctions and driving wedges that don’t exist. Throughout Ukraine, from east to west, there is a complex mixture of Ukrainian speakers / Russian speakers / mixed families / others / etc., who are ordinary people who don’t support the junta and their shock-troops but are lying low, necessary particularly in the western towns. In Kiev there are glimmerings of dissent and protest, but these have to be very cautious for the time being.
@ paulC
The analysis of the holes in the pic kind makes sense they could be from a big gun as he describes.
But then he kind of ruins it with the suggestion they might have mistaken that with Putin’s plane 300 km away and in a different country. That’s sheer nonsense.
hAZE said…..
“Yes, I`ve heard of Fikret Abdić, but saying that his fighters fought along Serbs was far fetched. It was merely “my enemy`s enemy is my friend” situation. They coexisted and that`s all.”
Far fetched? Really now, that’s the best you can do is throw out more easily discredited Empire propaganda??
It is quite obvious that you have no clue as to what you are talking about.
So let me help you out:
Operation Spider is a classic example of a “Joint Action” in which:
Bosnian Muslims & Serb forces kicked the crap out of the Fifth Corps by re-capturing Velika Kladusa & bringing Babo back home.
Not only were they fighting alongside each other, they were also heavily involved in another “Joint Action”: Smuggling
Robert Fisk stops fence sitting and gets back to his thundering best here: “What if 35 Palestinians had died, and 800 Israelis ” Except its now over 1000 Palestinians that have paid the ultimate price for simply being who they are.
God bless these folks who remain humans even in the fate and horror.
And you, Saker, for all of your human qualities.
Pax.
Meezer
Why do you keep using phrases like “Empire propaganda”? You remind me of a State Depatrment spokesperson using “killer Putin” and “Evil empire” phrases….
Is “Empire propaganda” the fact that Serbs were involved in every conflict in the 1990`s in former Yugoslavia? Was their tactics the same as Ukraine`s?
Saker, please can you provide more info about your video, ie where it’s filmed and when ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHXeHB-gCg8&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Here is a link of another video, with pretty much the same thing people protesting about the mobilisation but in this one they get phyiscal with the ‘MP’
Mir v Donbasse
Thank you Saker for this video and your article. Very interesting indeed. Please, keep up the great work.
Zadrasvoyut Donbass!!