Dear friends,
While it is way too early to come to any conclusions about what really happened in Paris, I want to share the following thought with you: President Hollande has just declared that what took place was an act of war. This, in turn, means that the entire NATO alliance could be called in to respond to this (under Article 5). As for the attackers, already one Syrian passport was found, and witnesses say that one of them screamed “for Syria” before opening fire. In other words, this attack has just given NATO a pretext to intervene in Syria. Last, but not least, the only French aircraft carrier was schedule to leave its port this Wednesday. For the Middle-East, precisely.
Coincidences?
You tell me.
The Saker
Come back, Saker, before something else happens again. Condolences to families of the dead! Strange though, about Paris. No intelligence? Not one assaulter caught alive? No suspicions of people carrying assault guns? No photos of attackers, with the proliferation of mobile phones? We are in danger from negligent, complicit or terrorizing govs. Why France & not Germany, with as many Muslims? Consequences will be closing EU borders, France sending ground troops to Syria to fight ISIS and bolster anti-Assad forces! Cui Bono?
Mate,the stage is set for US led intervention in syria, full scale attack is next, with israel and turkey, being syrias neighors, god help syria.. the reason to start a ww3 is here “9/11 paris ” attack” would I say. From the begining it was to crush syria, the bring down the “regime” and the they would have a freeeway to a big prize.. It was always the tehran the big prize, the want iran..in that way tjey would encircle russia.. plus vas natural resources.. there are many factors but the main is still ” the great israel” which goes from river nile to south eastern turkey, and also more than 50% of iraqs teritory. God help us all. Peace from KOSOVO.
За все на евреев найдется судья.
За живость. За ум. За сутулость.
За то, что еврейка стреляла в вождя.
За то, что она промахнулась.
God help Syria, the victim of un unprecedented terrorist aggression orchestrated by a cabal of nations. You know this, but the world doesn’t, and the media won’t tell them. Please help to spread this far and wide:
https://www.scribd.com/doc/289489837/Syria-The-Crime-of-the-Century
Full-scale invasion is something they have avoided up to now as they cannot afford it in any way.
Peace from Kosovo you say! Didn’t the Muslims in Kosovo steal the land from Serbia?
Are people really that stupid these days? Why would a bunch of jihadists on they one way trip to meet their 72 year old virgins carry their passports? With IQ this low humanity is truly lost.
Occams razor people…. Just when the Russian operations in Syria is yielding is first tangible results all these anti russian things started to happen…. A321, doping, fifa etc etc. It’s way too convenient.
The French will do well to remember NATO and what they tried to do to CDG…
They want payback? Partner with the syrian and Russian forces. Anything else is pure BS.
My problem is I’m too logical.The culprit in the Paris bombings is ISIS, the enemy of the Syrian government, so how does that benefit the US imperial cause? Because (most) Americans ARE that stupid; they believed that Saddam Hussein would assist his mortal enemy Al Qaeda in the 9/11 attacks. So I’ll give you that one, as well as FIFA and the doping scandal, which punish Russia and tarnish its image. As for A321; I doubt it. An attack on Russians would enflame the Russian people, bolstering their support for intervention in Syria, which the US opposes.
The US wants to invade Syria.But under what excuse? Now they have that excuse.Poor,savaged,France.Attacked by the “vile terrorists,what is to be done”? The only “obvious” choice is to invade Syria,and “free” that country from “terrorism” oh,and by the way,”remove Assad” as well.The plot has been clear for at least a week now.The only problem was what act would they need as the excuse for their dirty deed.We now know the answer to that.The question now is if Russia and the World will allow them to.If I was Putin I wouldn’t go near the G20 meeting.What even better for the US than those “vile terrorists” killing him there.Throwing Russia into confusion,and probably allowing the US to do whatever they want in Syria without Russia opposing them.
It’s not that easy for NATO to invade Syria, despite what pretext they have created with their latest false flag.
What they are looking after is some kind of foothold in Syria. An excuse to re-brand another jihadi group as democratic/liberal/freedom-loving/feminist/pro-gay/rainbow BS. This is the function of the Paris false flag.
Now, I believe that all of NATO are on this together. The “disagreements” between Turkey and the US are nothing but a good/bad cop routine, an excuse as for why ISIS is still left alone. Remember, NATO cannot afford to genuinely go after ISIS, this will be of immense help for Russia/Iran/Iraq and Syria. No matter what, they need ISIS to hold onto territory all over Syraq, and at the same time pretend that they are somehow fighting it. Moreover, they can only push ISIS over, if they have some reliable stooge-Jihadi group on the ground that will perform their bidding.
This is why they have staged the latest false flag event. They need a better foothold within Syria, because as things stand, they are losing.
I’m not sure they can’t invade.I think through Turkey into the North.Or through Iraq into the East.They can say they are going in to fight ISIS.And take over the terrorist held areas (compete with the SAA who gets there first).If they do that they would hold half of the Syrian territory.And then if they set-up and recognize a puppet “Free Syrian” government.They have a counter regime to Assad.And then we have the ultimate question,”what then” does Russia,Assad,and Iran do.Do they accept war with NATO.Or do they deal with a “split” or NATO puppet Syria coming into being.The thing to do is stop them now.For Syria to announce officially that any violation of their borders by foreign troops without Syria’s invitation is in violation of the UN Charter and international law.And warn NATO it would be considered an act of war against Syria.Bring this plot to the Western public’s attention.
Holding over Syrian and Iraqi territory would require large numbers of NATO troops, possibly over 100,000.
This would mean a grave financial cost, body bags etc etc etc, plus no legal underpinning. Theoretically, the SAA would be allowed to engage them, and international law would be on their side. The presence of Russia/Iran in Syria is legit, NATO presence in not.
On the other hand does NATO care one iota about international law? Of course not, but that is only useful for NATO when a cheap victory is assured, or if the campaign is a low-risk one. In this case, non of the usual NATO-provisos for illegal intervention are there. The possible NATO campaign will be extremely expensive in both blood and treasure, victory far from assured and Russia would be legally allowed to shoot at them.
NATO needs expandable proxies, they cannot really fight themselves.
Uncle Bob, I agree w you. But look what Russia is saying:
Salient points of Press conference from the 2d Vienna Talks.
CALLS FOR CEASFIRE
France promised a merciless response. [Last bombing was against Syria’s oil facilities.] Shift of focus to defeating ISIS. Ceasefire except against ISIS. Russia has struck some targets for which FSA supplied the intel.
Lavrov: “I have a feeling that there is a growing recognition of the need to create an effective international coalition to fight Islamic State.” Formal talks between opposition & govt by Jan 1.
“Within a target of six months, establish credible, inclusive and non-sectarian governance, and set a schedule and process for drafting a new constitution,” the statement said.
Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said most but not all countries at the talks were in favor of an immediate truce. http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/14/us-france-shooting-syria-idUSKCN0T30Q520151114#w5HzqpDpyK3R21OF.97
Ceasefire for all non-ISIS? Bigger coalition to fight ISIS? Elsewhere Russia says they’ve hit targets based on intel from FSA!
KSA states it will continue to fund opposition and wants Assad gone. Looks like to much cocaine and other drugs to me. Petro dollar is on the wane, oil market flooded, their best best is to make nice with China, Russia India not play games like this. Very short term thinking.
RR
But why would Americans care what happens to the cowardly cheese-eating surrender monkeys? Oh wait, I’d forgotten – that was then.
Bob, you forgot the obligatory ‘Oops’!’ stage. The glorious West, in pursuit of its Eternal Moral Values, removes Assad, but…oops…how did that happen?… installs their jihadist mates in power. The Western MSM, with complete uniformity, mumble, ‘How did that happen, when we are soooo good?. Who cares. Who’s next? Iran! Great!” Over and over again.
It’s called destabilization. The enemy of my enemy maybe is not my friend, but is my useful accomplice. That’s logical too. Hence, the limits of logic.
Anonymous, Please look at this Paul Craig Robertson. I think he’s got the most sensible viewpoint so far. http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-paris-terrorist-attacks-and-the-official-story-the-matrix-extends-its-reach/5489014
Three people now detained attempting to flee to Belgium. Others blew themselves up. All apparently using identical weapons and bombs. Isis is a well organised and well funded group. The appropriate response is for Security Council to declare threat to world , convene UN general staff from permanent members and us UN force to crush ISIL as they did the Axis.
Just as the US wants.The US would of course “lead” that alliance.Aren’t you able to see the plot.
@ ProFait
The bizarre “lack of intelligence” … “no photos of attackers, with the proliferation of mobile phones” etc. are all uncannily reminiscent of “Boston Marathon bombing” in 2013, just on a little bit grander scale than that False Flag…
Go back now to the latest CrossTalk, the one with Pepe, /crosstalk-declining-pax-americana-ft-pepe-escobar/ – and watch it with the benefit of knowledge of the Paris “show”! One thing that prominently stood out there was the obvious lack of a clear target for the Empire and its desperate groping for one (Russia-China-ISIS “narratives”). The Empire really did not know what to do in Syria … couldn’t oppose Russia, couldn’t join Russia… And now – it suddenly has the missing target. Saker is absolutely correct: “… this attack has just given NATO a pretext to intervene in Syria …”.
I had been out of touch with MSM, as usual. I was thinking……..Its about time for another mass shooting!, After all, it has been about a week and a half since the last one. I tried to use the third eye ….. I got somewhere is the south US, Houston? New Orleans? WRONG!..Went to Huffington Post. Of course, another mass shooting, just like clockwork, just like I expected.
Terror and chaos…….Now who does this sound like? Keep the sheeple in a state of terror and fear! We must have an enemy that threatens us.
Cheers, Blondinka
Johan,
Did you see PCR’s article on Global Research? He at least questions how we know ISIS was behind it. I share your belief that we should entertain the possibility that the entire thing in Paris could be a hoax. People see the govt & media lie steadfastly, but somehow they forget their doubts when the word “terrorism” is uttered. If they don’t understand (in advance) WHY the power structure wd perform a hoax, then they won’t look at the possibility.
People who can be open-minded about it understand that the Boston Bombing and Sandy Hook were hoaxes in which no one was hurt, but it’s really difficult for most people to entertain new data– just like the ostriches at a lower level of knowledge don’t want to consider that the govt & media lie about foreign policy.
PCR’s saying the “attacks” are about maintaining the current power structure against “the right”– whose agenda I don’t know; are they for pulling EU apart & leaving NATO? Is there anyone in European politics actually for the good of the citizenry? Sara Wagenknecht of die Linke wants out of NATO, CETA & TTIP, is anti-banker/class enrichment at the expense of austerity for everyone else. I think even she wd stay in EU.
Regards
PS “Paris hoax” brings up a few things.
@ Penelope
Dr. Roberts’ report which you mention ( http://www.globalresearch.ca/french-security-left-blind-during-november-13-paris-terror-attacks/5489213 ) of a massive cyber attack preceding the Paris “show” sounds quite familiar. At 9/11 there was a general stand-down of the entire U.S. Air Force – which included NORAD – and the Air National Guard! As for that “Boston Marathon Bombing” mini-charade of 2013, there was a “Police security drill in progress” during the Marathon, which helped create the confusion among the spectators.
The present French bombing of IS in Syria is in full accordance with Saker’s warning: this attack has just given NATO a pretext to intervene in Syria.
The question now is, what else are the Empire & its French Branch up to next, how far will they go?…
Johan, Thanks for the link. Actually I was referring to this one. http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-paris-terrorist-attacks-and-the-official-story-the-matrix-extends-its-reach/5489014?utm_campaign=magnet&utm_source=article_page&utm_medium=related_articles
The alley behind the theatre as people “escape” proves nothing but doesn’t look real to me:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TiFZAHfSTU&feature=iv&src_vid=I0EW1-EDevQ&annotation_id=annotation_272245227
The cafe after the killings AND the suicide bombers. Note the windows are STILL not broken:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_QH0WkBeP0
Seems to me I saw some footage of police shooting at the cafe w/o breaking the windows, but perhaps they were aiming their fire elsewhere.
Oh I believe they really killed people. They shoot their own all the time n these false flags.
RR
P.S. Here is Pepe Escobar’s quick view:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10153695810626678&set=a.10150294029661678.381794.775051677&type=3
Pepe Escobar
PARIS; WHO PROFITS?
There’s no evidence this is a false flag – at least for now. What this seems to be proving is that Daesh is a certified pro ops with badass connections.
Scouring a ton of reports, I found a Danish citizen describing one of the attackers to a Paris café; ultra-pro, black-clad head to toe, AK-47, very well trained. These are not your usual al-Zawahiri underwear bombers; these are precision killers. This one left the scene undisturbed, and contrary to French police, may not have been captured. He wore no suicide vest.
French intel swears they are monitoring at least 200 nationals who came back from “Syraq”. Talk about a lousy job. Paris is hyper-policed. The mind boggles thinking of at least 8 jihadis promenading at will on a Friday night dressed as pro killers.
For me, this is also personal. Jihad came to my hood in Paris. I left Paris last week on my usual commute back to Asia. I have always mocked Fox News describing my hood as a “no-go” area – obviously for the wrong/stupid reasons.
They picked a small Cambodian restaurant, cheap and cozy, where the habitués are young and relatively hip. This means the quartier may have been carefully researched for months.
They picked a mix of heavily symbolic venues.
You have a France-German match witnessed by the President in a stadium where all barriers – ethnic, religious – dissolve, a true symbol of multiculturalism.
You have a gig by an American band in a concert hall filled with young people.
You have your average, cool, neighbourhood cafés in the 10eme and 11eme, young, hip, secular, bobo Paris hoods.
This points to a calibrated conceptual spectrum – carefully mapped out by French insiders; perhaps those “Syraq” returnees.
This also points to a monumental fail by French intel and the Ministry of Interior.
There are so many accumulated reasons for blowback; overt and covert discrimination against Muslims, leading them to feel like second-hand citizens; France’s coddling of “moderate rebels”; Sarko The First and General Hollande’s wars on Libya and Mali; the meek bombing raids in Syria; France as NATO enforcers.
Timing: crucial. Just as the US/Brits announce they “may” have evaporated with Jihad John. And a few hours before the Vienna talks are supposed to come up with an official Top Ten terrorist list in Syria (the subject of my current article on Asia Times.)
Cui bono?
And the Vienna talks didn’t come up with a top ten list………only IS and Al Nusra was agreed!
Another good article in a similar vein in FR:
http://fortruss.blogspot.ca/2015/11/france-is-paying-all-its-debts-at-once.html
@ Veritas
The Kholmogorov’s article which you linked is excellent. Concerning its “… Hollande … launched the campaign of hysterical tolerance “Je suis Charlie” …”, the following 2013 analysis is illuminating:
François Hollande, Zionist Always, by Thierry Meyssan, http://www.voltairenet.org/article181169.html .
“Cui bono?”
Another view.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article43464.htm
““Cui bono?”
Cui bono is a question posed by spectators.
The question posed by actors is – How does this benefit my purpose?
@Cui Bono?
Israel!
From the horse’s mouth @http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4725484,00.html:
Ron Ben-Yishai,
Welcome to World War Three
The Paris attack is directly tied to events in Syria and Iraq; this was not an intelligence failure but rather the failure of the West to see itself as in a total war vs. radical Islam.
Published: 11.14.15, 22:54 / Israel Opinion
“It is time that we came to the realization: we are in the midst of World War III. A war that will differ from the others but will take place all over the globe, on land, air and sea. This is a war between jihadist Islam and Western civilization; a war between radical Islam and all those who refuse to surrender to its values and political demands.
This war will, of course, have to be fought on the ground – with American, British and French divisions and tanks that will fight in Syria and Iraq, but also with security measures taken at border crossings and by special forces and intelligence agencies in Belgium, France and Germany as well as in the Philippines, China and Russia. This war will be conducted on the Mediterranean Sea as well as in the air with combat aircraft bombarding concentrations of ISIS and al-Qaeda fighters across Asia and Africa and security measures taken at airports and passenger aircraft worldwide. This is what the third world war will look like, which Israel has been a part of for a while now.”
Salam Anonymous,
Like your article from the Horse’s Mouth, especially the last sentence of the article. And, to quote:
“This is what the third world war will look like, which Israel has been a part of for a while now.”
Well said YNet!
Best regards,
Mohamed.
Of course Israel has been part of WW3 ‘for some time’. As a brutal, savage, pitilessly murderous racist aggressor. And a ferocious propagandist and agitator for genocide against the Islamic world.
And they also moved on Gaza while the world was looking elsewhere as usual.
RR
I’ve got some “insider info” that there was intelligence, but the whole thing is very shady, and the info might have been fabricated.
(it’s given by a friend)
Its has american stink all over it???
I’ll wait for the usual idiot and offensive “Charlie H.” cartoon before I …
Then again, perhaps there won’t be one seeing it’s ‘France” this time and it’s election time soon.
The dog that didn’t bark … Hmmmm????
Satanyahu is celebrating.
Saker, it looks like a false-flag. How did these terrorists get their weapons and explosives? Seems like operation gladio with the purpose of giving nato a pretext to invade Syria and overthrow Assad. NATO must be stopped if that is their plan. These people have no humanity.
FF or not, French intelligence should be held responsible. How come this was not stopped, given the police state they have implemented in the country ?
http://journal-neo.org/2015/11/14/attack-in-france-state-sponsored-terror-but-which-state/
Paris announced on November 4th to introduce border controls, from November 13th. Hmmm:
http://www.handelsblatt.com/politik/international/schengen-stopp-frankreich-fuehrt-vorlaeufig-grenzkontrollen-ein/12544810.html
Well, regardless if its a false flag or not, AK’s are real easy to procure on the black market, and explosives also as many can be manufactured in a kitchen (or stolen from construction sites if more potent concotions like tnt or rdx is needed).
That said, an AK is a damn cumbersome weapon to carry around, the barrel and signature front sight sticking out from most clothing… i find it difficult to imagine someone transporting those into any venues without inside help, but whethet that was achieved via sympathizers or by extortion, will probably never be known publically. To me this seems like a genuine terrorism event which was either allowed to go through, or just capitalized on upon the engagement commencing.
Even if false flags and government actors do wet works, it doesnt mean everything bad that happens automatically is.
Mac
When pigs dance, my friend, I will cease to believe all of this is one big coincidence. The perpretrators “appeared to be” highly trained individuals. Training by who? American and NATO special ops forces. Turkey and the Mossad? A Syrian passport is discovered almost immediately; shades of 911? Then I almost puke watching Lavrov performing next to Russia’s best bud and partner. C’mon Man!
I wonder if there was also a letter of introduction from Assad and Putin’s calling card enclosed in that Syrian passport….?
Now then………………. DON’T put any ideas out there.
It’s NOT funny.
Lol you two make funny comments every time.
It was a NATO/Gladio false flag attack.
http://www.sott.net/article/306354-Pepe-Escobar-on-the-Paris-attacks-Who-profits
Agree
Pepe Escobar is right, but i have noticed that some idiots (or maybe agents), who are pointing at Russia (sic!) and French nationalists as beneficients of these attacks.
The timing of this just reeks of false flag.
Vienna I: Obama sends “up to” 50 JSOC into Syria.
Vienna II: Paris attacks.
Reading between the lines: “Screw you Russia, the US will do what we want, anywhere in the world.”
G20 is happening now and it’s all about Paris.
The NSA was recently slapped on the wrist for mass surveillance in the US but now we “need” more of that.
People of EU/US have been saying that terrorism isn’t a real threat … but now it is!
This all pretext for … invading Syria, building the police state, closing the EU borders, rejecting immigrants, pushing the people to be more xenophobic and fascist.
On the other hand, the one potential bright spot is that joint statement from Kerry and Lavrov. It’s a show unity which makes me think there’s some hope that the US might decide to abandon it’s support for terrorism because Lavrov is smart and knows the real deal… he isn’t likely to support yet another BS statement from Kerry.
Who knows, maybe the IS realizes that their days in Syria/Iraq are numbered and have gone out to the world. Sometimes the proxies of proxies stop listening to their masters’ masters.
As you say, it’s too early to tell, I’m watching to see what happens next.
It took a while before the pain in my sides subsided enough from laughing my arse off before I could hit the keyboard. Kerry and Lavrov’s joint statement a “bright spot”, a show of unity? Are you serious? You can be sure the sun will rise and set again tonight and tomorrow and you can be sure the neo-con controlled US State Department and US Military is hell-bent on the fragmentation and destruction of Russia. Do you actually believe they’ve suddenly seen the light?
“Do you actually believe they’ve suddenly seen the light?”
No, not really, I’m just hoping that the sociopaths in Washington have finally seen the writing on the wall. Even now, they have a way to do a 180 and save face but, yeah, not in this lifetime.
I just have such a hard time when I completely give up all hope so I grasp at what I can.
I’m hoping the plotters in D.C. are finally embarrassed enough to start cooperating with Russia and bomb the he** out of ISIS. We can do it from 2 sides like we did in WWII. Just a dream . . .
The US doesn’t have to bomb the hell out of ISIS. They just have to withhold financial support.
Charles-you got off lightly. I had to change my nether-garments after ‘losing control’ in my mirth. Good God Almighty!-is there any concept more bizarre that taking the ‘word’ of any Imperial High Apparatchik like Kerry/Cohen as other than utter dross? As I hear, as expected, the entire MSM propaganda sewer reporting utter garbage like the ‘passport found on, then ‘near’ a jihadist’ and pushing Islamophobia with the enthusiasm of good little Zionist drones, and already twisting the atrocity to justify an attack on Syria (to overthrow Assad, of course), one gets, yet again, the sensation of Evil in Action. Radical, world-destroying, genocidal Evil, for whom these 130 deaths are yet more ‘collateral damage’.
Apparently you didn’t notice that I was hopeful because LAVROV was supporting Kerry, not because of anything that Kerry said alone.
I laid out two early possibilities of what happened
1) False Flag
2) the proxies turned on their masters, like Noriega did. Make no mistake, once he outlived his usefulness, he was done.
I also said that it’s too early to tell what was really going on but hey, jump to conclusions all you want. Feel free to return to your normal bashing of all stupid Americans now.
I’m sorry, I was wrong with the bashing all Americans stuff, you didn’t do that. It’s no real excuse but I’ve just been feeling the anti-American vibe today and took it out on you.
Please, feel free to bash my sociopathic government all you like, I do it all the time. The only thing worse than my government is that unelected deep state/shadow government cabal that thinks it owns the whole planet.
Yeah, sure, maybe I’m a bit naive to hope for a change, but it’s about all that’s left to me.
Critic, I don’t hate ALL Americans, because very many are decent people, but I sincerely do hate and greatly fear your ruling elite who, in my opinion, are the absolute epitome of human Evil. And I will bet that they, possibly including Kerry/Cohen knew all about this atrocity, and the others surely to come, before they occurred. That was the root of my intemperate remarks.
I’ve seen this movie before – it’s a script straight out of a certain area in Virginia that’s been dusted off many times. The blood spilled by its advanced practitioners serves to obfuscate its predictability and repetitiveness.
To me it boils down to this:
France wasn’t going along with the US actions in Syria fast enough or enough in lockstep so these ISIS ( or whatever ) monsters were unleashed on Paris. Now Hollande has the political support of the aftershock to declare that France will pursue the ” bad guys ” ruthlessly.
The bad guys just happen to be getting hit already by another nuclear superpower that has stepped on the toes of the pimp currently in political charge of Europe.
The leaders of the western world need a nice long weekend of electroshock.
this seems very much the case…
Your warning is spot on, Saker. Struck me as bizarre when I saw Hollande and Steinmeier in the stade last night; after all, it was only a “match amical”, a simple test match. Heads of State don’t usually attend test matchs. And then why Steinmeier? That was an odd couple for starters.
Then, Hollande said in his public statement a couple minutes before midnight, while the thing was reported to be “ongoing”: « Nous savons d’où vient cette attaque. » We know where this attack is coming from – without stating what exactly he knew.
Then the report of one of the “perpetrators” shouting: “This is for Syria!” Then counter balanced by a report of a perpetrator claiming that “he is from ISIS”. At this point, it’s already so fishy that you cannot but smell the false flag operation.
No images of dead bodies or gore or anything – everything shrouded under sheets and shrouds, reported to be spontaneously dropped onto the victims from open windows. Oh, sure! So after the Boston marathon and Charlie Hebdo victim fakes, and the MH-17 frozen rotten bodies bizarrerries, one has to be, unfortunately, wary of any death toll reports. Plus, killed-to-injured ratio of 2:3 when the alleged perpetrators are reported to have been spraying crowds with assault rifles and grenades. Shouldn’t there be many more injured people?
If you scan French newspaper reports for “hôpitaux”, there’s little precise information; on the hand, blood donors wanted, on the other hand, injunction not to show up at hospitals, no blood needed, hospitals overcrowded. “Plan blanc” in effect, whatever that is.
Last report, a Syrian and an Egyptian passport reported to have been found. Mohammed Atta anyone?
Even if you believe ISIS is indeed an Islamist Force and not the Israel Secret Intelligence Service operation equipped and trained by the Pentagon that it actually is, you’d have to wonder what benefit such an attack would bring to ISIS?
It’s a false flag, that much is clear, and it may also be partly or mostly a fake, because otherwise Hollande would be complicit in mass murder.
I am inclined to agree with you…
Spot on,my friend, full scale attack on syria is about to commence. Probably on monday.
Your full so full of it I don’t even know where to start….
There is something very strange:in the Bataclan theater,1.500 people we have been told.82 bodies,let’s say 100 or maximum 200 injured.We saw a video taken by one Le Monde journo,showing some people escaping the bataclan by the backdoor…I counted more or less 60 up to 70 people,no more.
Which makes a total of:350 let’s say even 400 or 500.
Where are the other people?1000 +- MISSING
And also, if you watch that clip (especially without sound, so you really see what is happening), and you ask, is this the way people react after being shot at and your friends killed around you.
Half of the people just stroll out, and a few yards outside they turn calmly and look at others coming out. What if the shooter comes after you? I would have run a little bit longer before turning around and just stand and look at the scene. And if people are in shock, usually their knees get weak when they are safe, and they sit down and cry and shiver……
I am not saying that it is a fake, just surprised how calm people can be in a situation like that, not panicking,….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFVTo5s6fas
Anonymous, this one of the forensics in the cafe is better.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_QH0WkBeP0
Lumi, I love the audacity of the ISIS ( Israeli Secret Intelligence Service) name. It reminds me of the Guardians of the Oglala Nation (GOONs)label affixed to the death-squad thugs the FBI organised to fight the American Indian Movement in the 1970s, or the Suspected Illegal Entry Vehicles (SIEV(e)s) the label affixed by Australian security forces to the leaky boats carrying refugees, who were, of course, labeled SUNCs (Suspected Unlawful Non-Citizens)as their sieves sunk around them. How very witty and empathic. And one of the Islamophobe groups created by Zionazi Jews wittily labels itself Stop the Islamification of Nations (SION) an alternative spelling of Zion. They must all think themselves SO clever.
Here in Canada, a decade or more ago, the Conservative Party and the Reform Party decided to merge in order to consolidate the right-wing vote, and they decided to name the new entity the Conservative-Reform Alliance Party (CRAP). They changed it after some time.
Sasham I also well remember a football game in Brazil, broadcast on local TV. When things got exciting, they’d cut to the crowd, cheering, waving banners etc, with a giant advertising hoarding right behind them. Emblazoned on the structure were the four letters F.A.R.T, no doubt a Portuguese acronym for something or other, but the gist had been lost in translation-or added to, come to think of it.
How about Cocaine Industry of America?
And are they ever, bottom of the political barrel. Glad they are gone. I hope Chretien got all the facts from Putin during his visit. The only way to beat these fascists is to out them and their dirty deeds the minute they cry out soft on terrorism. And we need to keep the pressure on them to make them do so. I don’t care what the economic repercussions are from the US-Canadian’s can whistle while they work. It would not be the first time.
RR
Lumi, thanks, I was wondering about the hospitals– 99 people in critical condition plus many more wounded. And all those blood donors.
The big deal w MH17 is that all the debris sat so lightly upon the soil; nothing buried itself as in a real crash. And the first OSCE guy on the scene reports the overly perfumed smell of the stuff they spray on dead bodies after they’re a few days old– not at a crash site. The people who gathered the bodies said they were old. From Ukrainian morgues probably. So much theatre & people are afraid to look behind the curtain.
“this attack has just given NATO a pretext to intervene in Syria. ”
If so, this is not necessarily wholly disadvantageous.
“While it is way too early to come to any conclusions”
You did re
“this attack has just given NATO a pretext to intervene in Syria. “
that not a conclusion, only a statement of fact.
besides,
I wrote “too early to come to any conclusions about what really happened in Paris”
of even if I HAD come to any conclusion(s) about anything *besides* what happened in Paris there would be no contradiction.
So you can go right back the Logics 101 course and open the textbook on page 1 :-P
Yes, Saker, not even friend senior strategist knows all or is always right, as omniscience does not exist, although I have to admit that he is a very cultivated gentleman as you yourself.:D
“omniscience does not exist,”
Patience is a virtue and a person with a fast answer, for example 21 minutes, is often at a disadvantage.
Cultivated gentlemen and flattery aside, we note reform on here, from “community” to “club”.
Excellent – one should dispense with such retrograde ‘Oh so 20c’ norms with decisive finality – progressive movement and all that. Forget about the rest, just cheer along – rejoice!
Oh no!, and what is wrong with “cultivated gentleman”? I really think you are, but, can not you see that I was making you a compliment while giving the reason to The Saker in this occasion?
No wonder that there were people here who say that you take everything wrong.
I really do not understand that you turn on me this way because I support my other friend, The Saker, after the so much I have always supported you.
As you are always attentive to timing, something to do with my previous post about private military companies? Is this what really have upset you?
Well, if so, so sorry, but I think my purpose is, besides to fight against free trade agreements ( as you well recommended me ), also fight against private mercenary armies, used, both, to impose on us a miserable life.
On this, be assured that although I sacrifice here hours of sleep and be outdoors, this does not mean that I do not do sport. Sport has never been abandoned because I do a lot, only I had to stop skating…. for a while, but I will now pick up and, as I have already my elbow at full capacity is almost certainly that I will start my Systema classes ( Eimar, you should try it, with those neighbors you have).
In fact I think that everyone here and there should, if not know, learn Systema to have an opportunity in body to body fight, and also learn to skate, to be able to make a quick getaway from mercenary armies in case of curfew with them in charge.
As a relief after the terrible tragedy, see how you can have a good time in Paris, where you can find amazing skaters ( like those incredible guys who gather at Notre Dame ):
“Catch me if you can”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Yz7R_0zGzs
“I really think you are, ”
You are apparently replying to another Anonymous of /a-warning-about-the-paris-terror-attacks/comment-page-1/#comment-173343 where you will find the following text
“we note reform on here, from “community” to “club”.”
The other anonymous may wish to expand the comment, since your intrepretation of the phrase quoted may have been incorrect.
Perhaps the other anonymous was saying that criticism normal within communities has been misrepresented and/or attacked, and hence the blog has been “reformed” from a community to a club.
If this is the case then /a-warning-about-the-paris-terror-attacks/comment-page-1/#comment-173212 broadcast at 14-42 UTC on 14th November 2015 served one of its purposes.
There were 2 other broadcasts transmitted but not “published” made by me including
“”that not a conclusion, only a statement of fact.”
A statement of fact is a conclusion by virtue of being deemed a “fact”.
““this attack has just given NATO a pretext to intervene in Syria. ”
The logical error was in respect of the above which conflates a juridical “possibility” subject to “interpretation” with a “fact” since pretexts normally exist in implementation.
The purpose was to suggest that analysts are normally precise, are not of limited vision and exhibit patience given context which includes but is not necessary limited to events in Vienna and elsewhere.
( ergo at 14-42 UTC on 14th November 2015 a caution was given in respect of the possibility of a preliminary agreement being reached in Vienna before 17-00 UTC 14th November 2015.)
Your response was interesting.
Thank you for your datastream.”
I and my associates do not get upset and don’t “turn on me” or anyone else, unlike the opponents who tend to conflate criticism with attack and respond in an “aggressive” way or if of lesser “confidence” through schadenfreude.
My associates and I always attempt to encourage the facilitation of transcendence as in the aircraft rumours thread using professional standards of rigorous criticism.
All datastreams are of interest to my associates and I.
The other broadcast not published was about probable mis-identification of author corroborated by register of response in /a-warning-about-the-paris-terror-attacks/comment-page-1/#comment-173260.
The failure to “publish” for reasons of “embarassment” is not an unusual practice on this or other blogs.
In times of surveillance the broadcasts of some are always received.
“You are apparently replying to another Anonymous(…)”
Ok, so sorry then, I felt strange in you, touching the irrational….
What do you think about the issue of learning Systema? Do you find it interesting for me?
“What do you think about the issue of learning Systema?”
We find judo, karate, tai kwan do and wu shu useful on various levels.
The choice is made with an element of personal orientation.
The choice of none is usually not an option.
I don’t know systema so I cannot comment.
Russian and not knowing Systema? Hmmm ……
This ancient method of self defense of Russian origin is free and natural in its movements and taughts to defend yourself in different situations and positions.
Systema works the principles of breathing, relaxation, movement, structure and knowledge of body biomechanics to minimize the effort and simplify the movements.
Its training helps develop the capacity of improvisation and adaptability of oneself necessary in self-defense, there is no fixed models or techniques or combinations of movement imposed.
Its teaching is directed to self-defense and control of oneself through breathing in dangerous situations and conflict, no competition, no grades and no specific dress is imposed for training.
Controlling fear is one of the bases of this style with a strong knowledge of the vital points that are learned feel pain or inflict pain on the opponent:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wApTPdozhTM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ny1jCAHxlv0
At the academy I found they follow Vladimir Vasiliev school….
“Russian and not knowing Systema? Hmmm ”
Perhaps you should consider definitions including “to know” before response?
Perhaps this illustrates the immersive qualities of empriricism and holograms.
“I felt strange in you, touching the irrational….”
You do not make the definition of “touching on the irrational” clear, and consequently perhaps you are unclear on who was being irrational and who was drawing attention to the irrational.
If so it would appear that you did not fully understand the broadcast sent
/a-warning-about-the-paris-terror-attacks/comment-page-1/#comment-173555
or
/a-warning-about-the-paris-terror-attacks/comment-page-1/#comment-173260
including possible authorship, register and illustration of immersion in the opponents’ ideologies and practices.
If so it is also likely that you did not understand
/a-warning-about-the-paris-terror-attacks/comment-page-1/#comment-173343
If so judo, karate, tae kwan do, or wu shu might aid in this as well as amplify a broadcast made in respect of another question posed by “you” to be found in another thread in relation to what to do.
It is likely that many with experience are attracted by the high noise to signal ration, but in time high noises can become sources to avoid.
“No wonder that there were people here who say that you take everything wrong. ”
Evaluation is a function of purpose and potential.
One method in evaluation is to compare expectations/forecasts with outcomes.
If the purpose is to facilitate the transcendence of opponents then evaluation requires a comparison of expectations/forecasts with outcomes.
If the purpose is to facilitate the transcendence of opponents trajectories and velocities of lateral change require active facilitation within potential, in addition to comparisons of expectations/forecasts within outcomes.
The world and phenomena within/withon it are laterally interactive; change is constant and amongst the key variables are trajectory and velocity.
The opponents’ system is based on the notion of unequal but different, where difference is used as an alibi for unequal. That was also used by the nomenklatura in the Soviet Union.
The required transcendence is from equal but different to equal and different, where different reflects different potentials, trajectories and velocities.
Lateral change is constant including in regard to potential, and hence to facilitate the purpose of transcendence above, difference and its acceptance are requirements and supports of equal.
Ideology and ideological practices are immersive. A metaphor that is sometimes used is that when you emerge from a swimming pool you carry water droplets on your skin – to some degree you remain immersed.
It would appear that some commentators on this blog have had different experiences including some in the opponents’ system.
In matters of analysis and strategy some commentators on this blog have apparently little or no experience where they were responsible for the consequences of their “analyses” and “strategies” since they had limited potential in facilitating them.
Some is not every, and every is not some.
Omniscience does not exist and hence at all times something must be “wrong”.
However it is unlikely that “everything” can be wrong and hence the sentence below is over-expansive –
“”No wonder that there were people here who say that you take everything wrong. ”
although “people” may believe it for reasons outlined above and/or as illustrated in the link:
http://fortruss.blogspot.ru/2015/11/beware-of-analysts-how-to-assess.html
Evaluation is a function of purpose and in a lateral system the evaluation of purpose is informed by comparing expectations/forecasts with outcomes within a “reasonable” time horizon.
More than a year ago a broadcast was made in respect of Obnynsk and Seversk.
From comments published on this blog it appeared that two Anonymouses and FS
understood its content.
Given all of the above it is “No wonder that there were people here” who did not understand.
As a follow up the link below may be of interest:
http://russia-insider.com/en/closed-cities-are-anachronism-russia-no-longer-needs/ri11209
“As a follow up the link below may be of interest”
Perhaps some hypotheses to explore could be found in
Margaret Heffernan
Wilful blindness
Simon and Shuster 2011
ISBN 978-1-84737-770-8
“No wonder that there were people here who say that you take everything wrong. ”
I see you’re still hanging around this phrase, which, though I know you’ll say that you and your associates do not you feel offended, I see that you feel offended. I ask you to consider that was expressed thinking that the comment was yours. If the comment was not yours, as was clarified by you, the phrase has no reason to exist.
I told you I’m sorry, now also, especially if I offended you, that was not my intention, ( but I know you will say you do not offend, neither you nor your associates) ask you to forgive me, but keep in mind that for me is easier to confuse you with others, because you post as Anonymous.
So, we might already forget? Look, if you came here I would invite you to dinner, but you’re away …..
“More than a year ago a broadcast was made in respect of Obnynsk and Seversk.
From comments published on this blog it appeared that two Anonymouses and FS
understood its content.
Given all of the above it is “No wonder that there were people here” who did not understand.
Well, I do not remember that broadcast, maybe I was not here last year that time, taking into account that I did not spend so much time here, and, in September I was traveling in Tibet / Nepal.
Perhaps it was at that time when you issued that broadcast?
Although, of course, I do not always understand all your broadcasts, I already told you I’m only here an amateur….. Indeed, the fact of not being professional nor working for any government allows me to be a libre penseur, although I always try not to say anything that would undermine the Russian Federation.
Flor Solitario and some anonymous, and non anonymous, commenting here are professionals in trolling ( ie bothering others ) and, despite their advantage in understanding because of their profession or their “higher intelligence” I do not remember anything that has resulted in any way useful for me from their posts, I’ve only seen their comments intended to cause tension, which I do not think is anything constructive, rather the opposite.
You’ve been to Antalya with all those phonies or what?
You seem angry.
I would had read the list of sponsors of ISIS and see where the hare jumps…..
“I do not always understand all your broadcasts”
That is so, probably for reasons illustrated in
/a-warning-about-the-paris-terror-attacks/comment-page-1/#comment-175175
and the incorporated links, and this is not restricted to you as illustrated by ““No wonder that there were people here who say that you take everything wrong. ”
“If the comment was not yours, as was clarified by you, the phrase has no reason to exist.”
One of the reasons for it existing is that it facilitated the clarification broadcast
/a-warning-about-the-paris-terror-attacks/comment-page-1/#comment-175175
“I see that you feel offended.” but you confirm that you do not understand all of my broadcasts.
I suggest you “see” a hologram of your expectations. I understand that being offended is a form of self-imposed blindness and a resort to emoting.
“Indeed, the fact of not being professional nor working for any government allows me to be a libre penseur”
Being a professional and working for a government are not necessarily synonymous.
It is an immersive ideological error to restrict the definition of professional to synonyms of the opponents’ “division of labour”.
A professional tends to have more opportunities to test hypotheses in various areas and groups.
Since humans and “knowledge” are social there is no such phenomenon as a penseur libre.
Professionals tend to have greater access to materials to consider.
“FS and some anonymous, and non anonymous, commenting here are professionals in trolling ( ie bothering others )”
and
“I do not remember anything that has resulted in any way useful for me from their posts”
Just as you do not understand all of my broadcasts, perhaps you do not understand theirs,
although you appear to even assert that you understand their motivations for making their broadcasts by way of “I’ve only seen their comments intended to cause tension”.
“tension, which I do not think is anything constructive”
Some view challenge as an attack and consequently feel tension.
As a reflex action some accuse others of “trolling” to displace the tension.
Tension can be a constructive catalyst in facilitating trajectories of lateral change.
It would appear that you did not read the link
http://russia-insider.com/en/closed-cities-are-anachronism-russia-no-longer-needs/ri11209 on Seversk and other closed cities, and did not check the reference to Obnynsk.
If you had done you may have understood that the previous broadcast that you did not access was in respect of atomic weapons, their development, their maintenance, their production and their utility.
“You seem angry. “
I am not angry and recognise the opportunity to make an explanatory broadcast.
All datastreams are useful although some appear not to understand their usefulness.
Some appear not to understand that a blog is a broadcast medium.
Amongst the most salient information on this thread is that at 23-00 UTC 18th November 2015 the views were 24,001 and the comments 356.
For those analysing phasing from 15-00 UTC to 23-00 UTC 18th November 2015 on this thread there were 593 views and 2 comments.
Some appear not to understand that broadcasting has many purposes despite broadcasts suggesting some of them.
The above are some of the significances of /a-warning-about-the-paris-terror-attacks/comment-page-1/#comment-175268 suggesting hypotheses to test.
“It is an immersive ideological error to restrict the definition of professional to synonyms of the opponents’ “division of labour”.”
Professional is more descriptive of practices and standards rather than status.
These standards facilitate practices such as
/a-warning-about-the-paris-terror-attacks/comment-page-1/#comment-173441
These practices and standards are not always followed and when this happens they are noted including by way of
/answer-to-a-disappointed-reader/comment-page-1/#comment-157776
then
/answer-to-a-disappointed-reader/comment-page-1/#comment-157886
then
/polands-stance-towards-russia-pathetic-contemptible-and-plain-stupid/comment-page-1/#comment-158714
then
/lets-stop-the-stupid-flag-waving-saker-rant/comment-page-1/#comment-161647
then
/dreams-of-a-sleeping-alligator-dream-three-a-surrender-a-meeting-and-a-rating/comment-page-1/#comment-161714
then
/dreams-of-a-sleeping-alligator-dream-three-a-surrender-a-meeting-and-a-rating/comment-page-1/#comment-162310
then
/dreams-of-a-sleeping-alligator-dream-three-a-surrender-a-meeting-and-a-rating/comment-page-1/#comment-162176
which facilitated
/dreams-of-a-sleeping-alligator-dream-three-a-surrender-a-meeting-and-a-rating/comment-page-1/#comment-162344
to which
/dreams-of-a-sleeping-alligator-dream-three-a-surrender-a-meeting-and-a-rating/comment-page-1/#comment-162459
is a response.
Your are wrong, and are giving things that you do not know about me as a fact, which do not seem very professional.
I read the link which you affirm that I did not read, and what?
A liberal making apology of the free movement of transnational capital calling for the opening of Russia’s closed cities, ( whose existence I was certainly ignorant of ) especially those linked to nuclear power, to “foreign investors”.
The advantange would consist, according to the commentator, in allowing foreign investment in nuclear energy and eliminate controls of access to these cities.
Really?
In the middle of a full saboteur offensive of the entity known as ISIS? Well, they manage very well with existing national border controls, just missing eliminate any control for them easier to get there. Remember that those who benefit from the activities of the entity known as ISIS are precisely “foreign investors”, in fact, without any UN mandate its “promotors” control the oil infrastructure in Syria and are draining Syria´s natural resources at pleasure
With the so much has cost “Mr Putin and his associates” to recover the principal assets of the country in the hands of oligarchs who worked for “foreign interests” throw it all away and return to put it all for them on a silver platter? Perhaps, over again, at a bargain price?
Look, FS seemed to me a Romanian neoliberal, feverish anticommunist, who did not seem very professional ( according to professional standards that you marked, as to humility, respect and politeness ) when disrespected me myself and many others here. That you defend his/her presence here so much and that you find interesting the link about Seversk inclines me to think, again, even when you seem always speak on behalf of the “representatives of the Russian Federation”, that this is far from reality. Maybe even FS and you work for the same company …..
To continue this line could easily lead to a loss of interest on my part. People who disrespect me, as Flor, has no room in my life, neither in my circle of trust nor in my circle of interests. If despite having been excluded from all this, these people insist on bothering me, I usually choose to take more drastic measures than simply ignore them.
As well, you have seen I never have trouble apologizing, or seeking forgiveness from others, if they have felt offended by me, even not seeing clear why. Now, when I realize that someone takes this ease of me to give me the monopoly of guilt, there comes a time when I also get tired and lose interest.
These are my limits, I would wish you accept and respect them.
“Forget about the rest, just cheer along – rejoice!”
“we note reform on here, from “community” to “club”.”
I have commented upon your observation above in response to elsi.
As per normal professional courtesies I draw your attention to this in case you feel that I have mis-represented you in any way.
Rejoicing can be a deflection strategy as well as a means of unecessary exposure.
My associates and I tend to prefer to be unobtrusive, since our purpose is to encourage facilitation of the transcendence of opponents, not replication of them.
“http://thesaker.is/a-warning-about-the-paris-terror-attacks/comment-page-1/#comment-175919”
The orientation on this blog and elsewhere tends to be towards empiricism or what you see is what you getism. This is view is based on analyses the details of which I will not divulge.
Empiricism tries to deny that “perception” is conditioned by prisms through which data, perceived as such, is viewed.
Amongst the tests to apply to datastreams are why, why now and why in this form?
A guiding principal is that in the vicinity of striptease the wise look at the audience rather than the stripper.
As informed by purpose the significances of utility of the “text” reached via link
http://russia-insider.com/en/closed-cities-are-anachronism-russia-no-longer-needs/ri11209
were not in its “content” but in its existence and opportunities of lateral challenge facilitated.
This was an opportunity to test hypotheses which you did; your framing and outcomes of tested hypotheses being
/a-warning-about-the-paris-terror-attacks/comment-page-1/#comment-175919
“are giving things that you do not know about me as a fact”
Communication is at least a joint enterprise, although the opponents hold that it is a subject/object relationship within which they “have” prime agency, whilst illustrating that this is not the case by pursuance of the surveillance state and the golden fleeces of big data and full spectrum dominance.
This was covered in a response to an Alice in Wonderland comment broadcast in a different thread by SanctuaryOne if memory serves.
Like most professionals I never broadcast anything as a “fact” as this infers omniscience which cannot exist in any lateral system.
However you like many may perceive it to be a fact, hence
/a-warning-about-the-paris-terror-attacks/comment-page-1/#comment-175737
and various other broadcasts.
“To continue this line could easily lead to a loss of interest on my part.”
As outlined in another broadcast that would probably be a wise strategy for many in furtherance of their purpose whatever that may be.
“even when you seem always speak on behalf of the “representatives of the Russian Federation”
I am analogue and hence do not “speak” or “ broadcast on behalf of anyone.
Acting as agent is a reflection of the opponents’ division of labour inhibiting and/or precluding transcendence of opponents.
A blog is a broadcast medium, not a dialogue, although many appear to believe it to be so.
A useful description is the incoate “virtual reality” within which datastreams have utility but perhaps not in the ways many may imagine.
“Now, when I realize that someone takes this ease of me to give me the monopoly of guilt,”
Guilt is self-imposed and an illustration of immersion in the opponents’ ideologies which seek to define those phenonomena for/of which to feel “guilty” as well as the existence of “guilt”.
This is more easily illustratred in “legal” systems.
Immersion in ideologies is at least a joint enterprise where in the subject/object binary is sometimes used as an alibi and a deflection strategy. In effect it is an iteration facilitating further immersion.
There are many uses of broadcasts in furtherance of facilitation of transcendence of the opponents but the encouragement of “guilt” is not amongst them, since such would inhibit and/or preclude transcendence – the purpose would be self-defeated.
Means condition ends, although apparently the opponents’ practices tend to be informed by a different view.
The opponents’ views tend to inform their strategies which may be better described as wishes.
The evaulation of the opponents’ wishes would suggest that wishes do not tend to come true.
@Anonymous 6:26
“Patience is a virtue and a person with a fast answer, for example 21 minutes, is often at a disadvantage.”
Often is not always.;)
“that not a conclusion, only a statement of fact.”
A statement of fact is a conclusion by virtue of being deemed a “fact”.
““this attack has just given NATO a pretext to intervene in Syria. ”
The logical error was in respect of the above which conflates a juridical “possibility” subject to “interpretation” with a “fact” since pretexts normally exist in implementation.
The purpose was to suggest that analysts are normally precise, are not of limited vision and exhibit patience given context which includes but is not necessary limited to events in Vienna and elsewhere.
Your response was interesting.
Thank you for your illuminating datastream.
“that not a conclusion, only a statement of fact.”
A statement of fact is a conclusion by virtue of being deemed a “fact”.
““this attack has just given NATO a pretext to intervene in Syria. ”
The logical error was in respect of the above which conflates a juridical “possibility” subject to “interpretation” with a “fact” since pretexts normally exist in implementation.
The purpose was to suggest that analysts are normally precise, are not of limited vision and exhibit patience given context which includes but is not necessary limited to events in Vienna and elsewhere.
Your response was interesting.
Thank you for your datastream.
And how to you,NATO troops in Syria wouldn’t be “disadvantageous”? It would be nothing less than a disaster for the Syrian people.Only empire supporters would support NATO invasion of Syria.
“Only empire supporters would support NATO invasion of Syria.”
You are trying to use binaries again through apparent misunderstand and/or misrepresenting comments.
Lateral strategists are/would be afforded opportunities to preclude and/or control the “invasion”.
For example as above
““”that not a conclusion, only a statement of fact.”
A statement of fact is a conclusion by virtue of being deemed a “fact”.
““this attack has just given NATO a pretext to intervene in Syria. ”
The logical error was in respect of the above which conflates a juridical “possibility” subject to “interpretation” with a “fact” since pretexts normally exist in implementation.
The purpose was to suggest that analysts are normally precise, are not of limited vision and exhibit patience given context which includes but is not necessary limited to events in Vienna and elsewhere.
( ergo at 14-42 UTC on 14th November 2015 a caution was given in respect of the possibility of a preliminary agreement being reached in Vienna before 17-00 UTC 14th November 2015.)”
The timetable was “achieved” but even if not “sustainable” it will facilitate opportunities for lateral challenge.
I note your comment is time/dated at 21-34 UTC 14th November 2015.
“Only empire supporters …..”
Adding to context
http://fortruss.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/dmitry-yarosh-resigned-to-save-his-life.html
http://fortruss.blogspot.ru/2015/11/putin-to-pursue-sponsors-of-terrorism.html
Now, better, as everybody can read the links, right?
Killing civilians has always been a mark of the exceptionals, France, Britain the USA and Isreal,have never been sqeamish about ‘collateral damage’.
According to the ‘daily blurb’ one killer was taken alive,7 blew themselves up and one was killed by police.
No containers from Haifa,Isreal to Marseilles,France would have difficulty in passing customs I’m sure,likewise ‘casual’ crewmembers would have no trouble getting a landing pass.
France is the easiest target for a ‘Cassus Belli’ and if the CIA set this in motion,I expect Russia to double down and clean the stables fast.
V V Putin and Sergei Lavrov looked really PO….I think they probably know.
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Also… Airbus 321
“Only one hypothesis remains”
http://www.voltairenet.org/article189255.html
by Valentin Vasilescu
The flight data recorder shows autopilot capture.
As a follow on to that…. Like many on this blog I have seen many dead bodies,blown apart by shrapnel or blast, by bullets or landmines.
Inna Kukuruza and Kristina and her child all in the park,courtesy of Kiev, in Lughansk 2014.
Suicide bombers in market places,car bombs etc etc.
Lots of gore….body parts,blood by the bucket load.
What do we get in UK/EU ? lockdown !…… no pictures,nothing to see here,move along….move along….move along.
In the UK, gubbermint theatrics,Lockdown Gatwick airport why ?………
a passenger threw something in the waste bin !?…call the bomb squad for a controlled demolition of what ? they can’t say !
I watched Inna Kukuruza and Kristina die,now all I here and see are Politicians making hay.
There’s a fatal error in the logic of that Voltaire Metrojet A-321 article. It believes the data from the ADS-B ‘proves’ erratic high-G loads that broke the plane apart. Those numbers are impossible even for a fighter jets that can climb 50,000 feet per minute -even they can’t immediately go from horizontal to vertical instantaneously as mass, momentum and inertia get in the way and there is a transition period.
The ADS-B transponder data requires accurate pressure date from the altimeters which are set to a reference of 29.92 inches of pressure once over 18,000′. The altimeters measure the pressure at altitiude by means of static ports -essentially small holes in the fuselage connected by tubing to the instruments. Any disruption of this pressure, as would occur if an aircraft was breaking apart, would give false readings. The author is confusing cause and effect.
At an extreme stretch he could theoretically be right but for the wrong reasons -that the autopilot in ‘normal law’ -which prevents pilots from invoking extreme control inputs that could overbank or damage/break the aircraft apart was somehow cancelled and went past ‘alternate law’ to ‘direct law’ -but not with those implied height numbers he quoted. Even if GPS was used for altitiude those last numbers are physically impossible by a body as heavy and with the velocity of the A-321. Also note the difference in data by various receiving stations:
http://imgur.com/a/Xkwze
Russians tested debris for explosives: negative
If true it leaves many alternatives:
1) Not everything is tested for explosives yet, testing ongoing.
2) Some esoteric explosive was used, e.g.TATP perhaps?, residues of which are camouflaged by other debris.
3) It tested positive for explosives but for reasons best known to Russia they are not disclosing that -yet.
4) Structural failure due to incompetence, design error, maintenance flaw. e.g. tail strike repair, horizontal stabiliser jack screw etc.
5) ACT belly tank explosion similar to (4) or (2) or caused by cargo -e.g. propane tanks, battery explosion, electrical sparking.
6) Auto pilot failure malicious or otherwise, pilot incompetence in recovery going to direct law causing structural failure.
7) External and likely malicious event of yet unknown type -laser, other ‘death ray’, drone, missile that leaves no trace etc.etc.
Sanctuary One, Thank you. I needed to know there was a strong rebuttal.
The same absolutely came to my mind when I read it this morning. The Goons have no problem shooting down commercial aircraft, why would they bother killing additional 140-160 nameless people on the streets to create additional 11/9? Let’s see what’s gonna happen next. NATO officials are good at barking, but it would be another story if they are forced to fight an equal or better adversary.. But we have a saying: A dog that barks, does not bite…However, underestimating anyone would be a big mistake too…
It looks like deja vu all over again
The French 9/ll
On Friday the 13th.
The “enemy” is supposedly hiding in Syria, like Osama in Afghanistan.
The ridiculous Syrian “passport” meme.
Where was teh French CIA equivalent, or FBI, or whoever it is who is supposed to preempt domestic terrorism? How can these people get guns? Europeans don’t have gun caches like Americans.
Grim.
Scary.
On TV this a.m. it’s all about ISIS.
But already (I mean before this event) even in some quarters of the MSM they had started to “get” the questionable provenance of ISIS.
So if this is ISIS, then logically teh ISIS sponsors and puppeteers must have a hand.
Is this also partly to quash those speculations as to who is really behind ISIS? Now who can be so unpatriotic as to speculate about that?
The migrant “crisis,” the success of Russia, now this—yes, it is all too convenient.
Another thing: when multipole parties are pursuing war aims and they are supposedly on the same side (as contra ISIS in SYria), there has to be a supreme commander, liek Eisenhower in WW2 in the EUropean theater. In the Syria case, IF there were genuine commitment to fighting ISIS by any other powers (itself questionable), there would have to be a supreme commander and teh obvious choice would be either a Syrian or a Russian.
But we know that Americans will never accept a supreme commander that is not American.
The whole thing stinks.
We know that a very consdirable percentage of Americans do not believe the official 9/11 story. Will these same people be able to consider the possibilities of who really brought this off, and why?
Once again, a link to a story with a list of false flag operations:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article43407.htm
Katherine
Yes, people who have visited Paris in recent days, as I could, easily conclude that they expected something “big” with the army in the main stations and strengthening Jewish own security in events at the Guimard Synagogue, and police cordoning off the streets around the Mosque of Paris and not allowing passage in times prior to admission of the faithful on Friday of prayer.
This was also confirmed by Jorge Verstrynge, Spanish/French political science professor, in Fort Apache last program I posted here a few days ago, that France was waiting for his own 9/11 event. I had visited Paris last time before the Charlie Hebdo event and did not find this environment.
Then you have the blatant use of the same pattern as the Charlie Hebdo event with a terrorist wearing the proper passport.
Also, as has been posted by other commenter in other thread, there was a meeting of the West main intelligence agencies ( Securité, CIA, MI6, Mossad ) at 27th October in París. previous to the Kogalymavia event and to this one.
Yes, this is the best way to have the people of Europe, totally opposed to any military intervention anywhere, willing to accept an intervention in Syria, and, if the thing do not stop here and more attacks take place in other countries, as happened previous to the Iraq invasion, this is also the best way to take the people also willing to accept a state of site/ emergency other way inacceptable to any European fairly awake and old enough to remember other dark times.
So to me the play is perfect. Playoff I might say.
To see where all this is going to leave us. To nothing good, for sure.
Salam Dearest Sister elsi,
Another passport is supposedly found and this time it is Egyptian. When the South Lebanon terrorism happened couple of days ago, Putin called Nabih Berri to offer his condolences. Not only Putin offered his condolences, Putin offered Nabih Berri that if Lebanon asked him to fight terrorism in Lebanon, than Russia is ready for it.
1. Who is Nabih Berri? He is the Parliament Speaker.
2. Why Nabih Berri and not the President and/or the Prime Minister? Because Nabih Berri is from the Shia Party from the Hezbollah.
Netanyahu is very, very scared, very, very isolated and therefore he is very, very dangerous. Very soon he will be taken away in straight jacket, but in the meantime humanity will suffer.
Like I said before, Russia will be in all the Middle East and USA will bow out. USA had enough of Netanyahu and AIPAC. Russia will soon be in:
1. Syria – already there.
2. Lebanon
3. Iraq
4. Egypt
5. Libya
6. Yemen
7. GCC
The King of Saudi Arabia will be visiting soon Putin in Russia. And, Putin will visit Iran soon too.
Best regards,
Mohamed.
Mohamed, you seem to look at things that easy, really. Do you actually think NATO is ready to interfere in syria full scale knowing russia already there? could nato know the outcome of such action? or is nato commiting suicide as you believe? nato has just shown that it is not afraid of Russia and its allies, so USNATO is prepared to counter any russian military response.
Russia claims it is there to fight isis, US says it is there to fight isis and now we hear france is there to fight isis, they are all fighting isis? or is isis the excuse? whether for russia or for nato.
Salam Anonymous,
The bear is not only cautious but very prudent too. The bear has just put his paws in hornet nest. He has learned his lesson well in Afghanistan.
Before doing that the bear would had full guarantee of the outcome from the bald eagle.
Putin was given Crimea on a silver platter by Obama as a starter and guaranteed full access to Middle East without any hinderence.
The bear has also been guaranteed that eagle will continue with the same policies after both Obama and Kerry are long gone.
The bear will be selling lots of arms in Middle East as the eagle is not allowed to do so by AIPAC.
God bless Putin and Obama.
Amen,
Mohamed.
Sir,
even in other websites, you keep implying of a ‘a working together of Putin and Obama”.
Forgive my ignorance, but where do you get this feeling from? or do you know something i do not?
Please don’t just throw a link into the mix with no comment or referral as to it’s content. We aim to achieve dialogue, and it’s a bit hard to do without comment. Many thanks for co-operation. PS
http://www.voltairenet.org/article189146.html
Salam Isammart,
I don’t post at any other websites besides Saker Blog. Can you please give me the links for these other postings.
To answer your question, where do I get my information from?
1. I watch all the news including MSN.
2. I watch the Arabic news including GCC
3. I watch Nasrallah in Arabic.
4. I specially watch the body languages.
5. In the photos, I watch the seating or standing arrangements.
6. I listen to Muslims’ Scholars, both Sunni and Shia very carefully. I recently watched a Sunni Wahhabi Scholar giving a sermon about Imam Hussain (as) in Prophet Mosque in Medina, S.A. He with all the audience were crying. I should have cried with him but I was rejoicing.
7. And, many more.
Best regards,
Mohamed.
Also add in the fact nato/USA had some high level security/military meetings just recently (somebody, I forgot who, posted about this on a previous discussion thread here).
“Coincidences?
You tell me.”
As I wrote earlier, the Israeli-Americans could not have made this more obvious.
Are the French still worthy to be called a nation? Do they not see what is obvious.And if not why not? I’m so tired of the Western fools accepting these tricks.I thought that was only an “American” failure.But it appears the disease inflicts the entire World.
France is a nanny state. Like the rest of the EU.
vot tak, even if Satan-yahoo and Obama were caught red-handed planning or executing this atrocity themselves, the Western MSM propaganda sewer would see NOTHING. No questions may be asked, or lucrative employment goes down the toilet. No wonder the Western MSM is treated with such contempt these days. I expect the lies, willful blindness and casuistic twisting of the facts to rise to a fever-pitch in days to come, all designed to justify an open attack on Syria and the destruction of the Syrian Government. Can there be a greater obscenity than Satan-yahoo, the butcher of Gaza, or Obama, the Godfather of Daash and drone-missile butcher and Sultan Erdogan the chief supplier of Daash, all offering their slimy condolences?
“even if Satan-yahoo and Obama were caught red-handed planning or executing this atrocity themselves, the Western MSM propaganda sewer would see NOTHING”
You sure got that right.
It looks like France has been chosen by the empire of chaos to be the fall guy in Syria. Hollande has said “we will lead a war which shall be merciless” etc, so prepare to soon see French troops dispatched to Syria to “fight” ISIS.
And of course expect the UK to naturally join in in sending troops, and Turkey thas has been chomping on the bits to invade Syria for years.
I sincerely hope president Putin and the Kremlin are not going to be caught flat footed to respond to what is coming. I am at all not sure if some Russian lawmakers still view their western counterparts through rose tinted glasses thinking they are at all civilized or even human because I get that impression sometimes , or maybe its just Russian diplomacy.
This is the perfect (in theie eyes) excuse they have been waiting for to invade Syria.
What the hell is it with these people and passports anyway ? Passports were miraculously found in the rubble of the twin towers after 9/11, passports were found abandoned in the getaway vehicle of the charlie hebdo attackers, and now a passport conveniently found on the body of one of the Paris attackers ?
Quite apart from the fact that, as I have read, a lot of the putatively “Syrian” passports used by migrants etc. are fakes.
BTW, sometimes this site’s comments feature fakes me out.
After I have hit “post a comment,” the comment still lurks in the comment field.
Being sort of senior, I then think, Oh, I forgot to hit “Post a comment.”
Then I get the I detect that You are repeating yourself message.
But even after that, the posted comments continues to lurk . . .
Odd. I guess I just have to slit the lurking comment’s throat and start over.
Katherine
On a heavy traffic thread sometimes WordPress(many blogs)gets a backlog.
If the comment clears you will get….”Your comment has been sent for moderation”
If you receive a message “you are posting too quickly”…..it means all of you’s !!…not just you !……hit the back arrow to retrieve your comment,copy (blue it) and save text in a file ! like my-comments ?
If the comment does not clear,copy and save in a file ! capiche ?
OK, thanks.
Usually the copy just sits there for a while.
So, then I am not sure whether it has posted.
It makes sense to save (one’s apercus), just in case
Katherine
The passport of Satam al Suqami was handed to a NY detective the day of the event, it was not found in a pile of rubble as widely believed. Not that it makes the official story more believable:
http://911blogger.com/news/2011-11-14/fbi-agent-dan-coleman-explains-how-passport-911-hijacker-satam-al-suqami-was-found
Joe, that’s just the old disinfo tactic of changing the cover-story. Remember how many times the ‘narrative’ of the cold-blooded murder of the Osama look-alike patsy in Abbotabad changed, and still didn’t fit in with eye-witness accounts from neighbours. And in the end the liars just dropped the whole thing, and the Western MSM obediently lost interest, like the loyal dogs that they are.
“What Preceded The Islamic State Attacks In France – Some Links (Updated)”
http://www.moonofalabama.org/
Hollande has been hellbent on finishing off Syria and today he was on the phone with Obongo for new marching orders seemingly. Obongo´s next statement and Hollande parroting it will be crucial.
“b” over at MOA dont think this is a false flag but it is ridiculous to claim that a bunch of teenagers could have pulled this off without French secret service knowing aaaanything about it and the “all seeing” CIA as well for that matter. I hope that the latest back-and-forth on the Russian S-400´s in Syria is a smoke screen because this sure seems to indicate that the ziocons is about to give one last major push for war, no matter what the cost.
Assad: Terror Experienced by Parisians Has Gone on in Syria for Five Years
Read more: http://sputniknews.com/politics/20151114/1030102966/assad-paris-terror-attack.html#ixzz3rTrdUx49
“Speaking with his guests, Assad noted that “terrorism is one field in the world and terrorist organizations do not recognize borders.” As a result, “the terrorist attacks which France was subjected to on Friday cannot be separated from the attacks which took place in Beirut [on Thursday] and from those which Syria has faced over the past five years.”
The president noted that unfortunately, “wrong policies adopted by Western states, particularly France, toward events in the region,” including Paris’s “ignorance of the support of a number of its allies to terrorists, are reasons behind the expansion of terrorism.” According to Assad, France and other Western nations must now work to “fix this mistake, and to take effective measures to stop logistical support for the terrorists, through to their utter destruction.”
GREAT “This is the deal” comments by Assad.
Obviously he is no chump.
Will they be widely reported?
They must be.
Katherine
Katherine-not a chance. Assad is ‘Evil Barrel-bombing Assad’, and the Western MSM is trying hard already to shift the blame to him. I’ve been listening to various ‘terrorism experts’ on the radio and TV, and the sheer impudence and audacity of the lying is simply breath-taking. They really take the average idiot to be ignorant, stupid, fools with no capacity to think independently-and they’re not wrong, are they?
I was tying to find Assad’s speech in English and for the first 3 pages all I could find was the Syrian dictator butcher Assad and his barrel bombs. Every MSM outlet and social media the same thing. Just amazing.. I can understand the MSM as that is and can be controlled by a handful of people but the idiots on social media just blathering about and filling up the airwaves is just astonishing. Some even blaming Assad for creating IS and controlling them and blaming him for Paris. What bunch of retarded development syndrome’rs.. The RDS seems to just overpower any reasoning by anyone just by the shrill voice they use. They even have people demonstrating with signs saying Russia bombs hospitals and the thousands of civilians killed.. And the millions killed by barrel bombs.. Too bad so many of these RDS useless eaters have nothing better to do or even the capacity to do it.
John Kerry tried to do the same thing after the Vienna conference. What a poor excuse for a human being. He and his ilk are the reason the peaceful reform is not possible in this world.
RR
The attack in Paris was to well coordinated like 9/11 was to well coordinated for any ground guerillas to carry out. This is mossad US/NATO/Langley (CIA) effort to instill more fear to take away liberties and cause division; Satan’s tactics.
Problem, reaction & solution. The people with the solution caused the problem. After the US humiliation by Russia, now they create this huge event in France and the reaction they are hoping for is demanding NATO in Syria and Iraq. These psychopaths are going to go much further than what we now see or “we ain’t seen nothing yet”.
Note the national media outlets are running stories with “so-called” journalist on the ground in Syria and pimpimg US involvement and success in an empty town where ISIS ran away, a non-story by a non-journalust; really is laughable except the sheep will believe it. People have completely lost the capacity to think and see somethig for it logical conclusion; useless and depraved minds. They are “confident” they got Jihadist John; really..I am confident you have had him all the time in a studio and now you probably have suicided him or he is living in a nice vacation spot. Remember, these stories running in the media are to well timed with this event; another indication this is “well-coordinated”
You see if this was real terrorist as described, then it would be in Germany and the UK and other European countries as well. We are headed in the direction as described in that outdated ancient book called the talmud
GLADIO returns.
“Europe welcomes these refugees from Syria fleeing ISIS,” they said…
It may be a false flag. It may not. I can’t immediately recall an instance where the “Saker community” remained agnostic until the evidence was in (or felt constrained by the possibility that the evidence might never be in).
That may be true.
OTOH, perhaps the Saker community feels that IT must also be prepared to provide some kind of barrier to the tsunami of information, disinfomraiotn, speculation, rumors, false narratives, false motives, etc. etc. that is already sweeps huge boulders along.
Just as the mainstream and presstitute minions are ready with their interpretations, the Saker community can start connecting dots that ITS members perceive.
It makes sense to think proactively.
Sort of like preemptive skepticism. Primed NOT to get blindsided by the boulders.
The truth, wherever it leads must be (I hope) the maxim of all here.
Katherine
That may be true, but the directions and quality of given proactive thinking may be variable.
The truth would be good (if possible). Jumping to conclusions isn’t a good way to get to it.
A helmet is required when biking, motorcycling, or jumping to conclusions. What about jumping to observations?
“What about jumping to observations?”
How about noting Russia managed to preempt a terrorist attack (mostly Chechens) without using the mass surveillance of the US (which also means Europe.)
Yet the vastly greater surveillance and combined Intel power of NATO powers failed to detect anything in France.
Eimar Clarke, that’s the sure sign of a Western intelligence organised ‘false flag’. The ‘perpetrators’ were ‘known’ to the panopticon that monitors everything, as Snowden revealed, but then, mysteriously, ‘fell off the radar’. Happens over and over, yet the MSM regurgitate it, and other idiocies like the passports conveniently taken on ‘suicide missions’. Not quite as bizarre as the bus bomber in London in 2005 having a Big Mac just before blowing himself up, but that’s show business.
Also OTOH, the logic of violence requires that the aggressor be the victim, something noted by the late Rene Girard. http://news.stanford.edu/news/2015/november/rene-girard-obit-110415.html
“He argued that human conflict was not caused by our differences, but rather by our sameness.” Rene Girard
Precisely, it is what i meant by: “directions and quality of given proactive thinking may be variable”.
Evil has been famously characterised as banality.
https://youtu.be/v6MKOY9x_ds
My comments were based on his writings, not on his obituary. But since the insight partially goes back to Dostoevsky, I’ll quote Stephan Verkhovensky (paraphrased) : We will never know what happened, until it is too late.
We have to be grateful to those few young men in the US and Soviet military in the 1950s thro’ the 1980s who didn’t read “Besy” or think Stepan Trofimovich’s dictum a sound guide to action (or was it his son, Petr Stepanovich? – I’m getting both pedantic and forgetful with age). Their radra told them the other side had launched their missiles and Armageddon was upon them, yet they had the good sense or good luck not to press the button.
chimmy, Dostoevsky foresaw a world where the Gadarenes had taken over. And here it is.
“It may be a false flag. It may not. I can’t immediately recall an instance where the “Saker community” remained agnostic until the evidence was in ”
You suggest waiting till the Elysee announces, oulala, it was fausse flague, maus oulala!
Can someone say FALSE FLAG?
The US, Israel and and their colloborators in the Gulf are determined NOT to have Russia succeed in Syria. To this extent, there is NO deed too evil or criminal that they are not willing to undertake, providing it gives them the requisite justification to carry out their pre-determined plans.
For now the plan is that Syria must be smashed and cease to function as a unified nation state.
À dismembered Syria is in the interest of all those waging war against the government of Bashar al-Assad.
If this is accomplished it will allowed them to steal the Golan Heights, push Russia out of Tartus, encircle Iran, run their pipeline to Europe and throw a spanner in China’s ambitious plans for Eurasia.
Russia and Putin with Iran and China in the wings will have to stare down the Empire and ensure that Syria does not fall..
Selah
Jaro, you have it so correct. These evil psychopaths will launch WW3 in order to get their way. This atrocity is just the beginning. I wouldn’t go out in public in London, in particular, where the pig-lover Cameron is already predicting a similar atrocity.
Mulga, isn’t it strange that whenever I see Cameron, I always think of the proverbial “Male Chauvinist …” :-)
“President Hollande has just declared that what took place was an act of war. This, in turn, means that the entire NATO alliance could be called in to respond to this (under Article 5). As for the attackers, already one Syrian passport was found, and witnesses say that one of them screamed “for Syria” before opening fire. In other words, this attack has just given NATO a pretext to intervene in Syria.”
100% Agreed!
But how that makes sense though? They get two attacks in France in less than a year and then France goes to bomb them in Syria?!?
I know you can’t expect these sort of “people” to tell the truth, but at a minimum I do expect their lies to make some sort of sense.
Meanwhile the EU borders are wide open and all ISIS has to do is just walk in, if/when they get bombed in Syria!!!!??? If ‘ISIS’ is attacking France INSIDE France, shouldn’t the French be hunting ISIS in France!?
In other words; isn’t ISIS inside France a far more urgent problem for them than ISIS in Syria (or Iraq for that matter)?
This is not the same “logic” of 911: terrorists attacked the US and then the USians went to wipe them out in Afghanistan. It’s not the same because the US doesn’t have a huge Muslim community like France/Europe does, nor the US were taking in new Muslims (“refugees”) by the oil-tanker load at the time. The official ‘narrative’ was that the 911 terrorist were outsiders, not home grown crazies. While the neocons narrative for their justification to go to war, was no doubt disingenuous, at least it made sense.
This other one doesn’t make sense at all! France going for ISIS in Syria while being up to their eyeballs full of ISIS sleeper cells (and sympathizers) at home!?
And this doesn’t correlate with the reasons for Russia fighting ISIS in Syria either. From the very beginning Russia was very clear in their intentions, 1- They are there at the request of the legitimate Syrian government 2- They’re there to support the Syrian government and help them fight the terrorists 3- They’re protecting the national sovereign integrity of Syria 4- and last; yes, they’re fighting ISIS there so they don’t get to travel to Russia to break havoc there.
Except for the last point (and even that’s arguable, since ISIS is already inside Europe), non of the others would correlate with France’s reasons to breach International Law and bomb Syria.
Other points… Vienna talks are going ahead today, will France turn around and side with the Syria/Russia/Iran coalition, instead of the illegal “coalition of the dodgy opportunists” bombing Syria? What are the odds to that? I’ll imagine: slim to none. But we’ll have to wait and see I suppose. (Also, I think I heard on the news that the French representative had to abandon the talks and fly to France because of what happened last night).
Last point; the G20 gathering is supposed to be happening this weekend. How smart is to have this summit in Turkey? Of all places FFS!!!! Might as well hold the summit at ISIS-held territories in Iraq.
-TL2Q
“In other words; isn’t ISIS inside France a far more urgent problem for them than ISIS in Syria (or Iraq for that matter)?”
You are right.Except that doesn’t serve the empire’s “needs”.So they must “tweak” their reaction to serve the US’s desires.
TooLegit2Quit on November 14, 2015 · at 4:02 pm UTC
In 2002 the US set up a training camp in Pankisi Gorge,Georgia.
A camp for training,arming and equiping Wahhabi terrorists.
Russia knows that the Americans attacked them in Chechnya,Dagestan and Ingushetia.
Ramzan Kadyrov of Chechnya has 10,000 battle trained veterans making sure IS/ISIL/Daesh or any other head chopping liver eaters get a Syrian grave.
These are not Russian Federation troops and Kadyrov has sworn to go wherever V V Putin says.
@ Jack:
“These are not Russian Federation troops and Kadyrov has sworn to go wherever V V Putin says”
^ I know! ;-)
I have read this interesting article in the Blog del Viejo Topo, but have not found the thread to place it to not result in an off topic.
Well, today is the day.
I think that this París event in one more in the path to a polical fascist state as they, big money in the shadows, are aware that people is awakening to the truth and, at least, by the moment, there is a generation out there sufficiently prepared to take out the result of 2+2.
So here you have this MUST READ:
“Private military companies serving the transnational capitalist class” a translate by Blog del Viejo Topo of an article by Peter Philips whose PDF link to the article in English you can also find in the end of the Spanish translation.
http://blogdelviejotopo.blogspot.com.es/2015/10/companias-militares-privadas-al.html
(…)The TCC ( transnational capitalist class ) is well aware of both their elite status and their increased vulnerability to democratic movements and unrest from below. The US-dominated military rule and the Organization of the North Atlantic Treaty (NATO) protects investments of TCC worldwide. Wars, regime changes and occupations carried out in the service of Empire allow investors access to natural resources and speculative market advantages.(….)
(….) When the Empire is shown slow to carry out their plans or face political resistance, the private security companies and private military companies (PMCs) satisfy increasingly TCC requirements for the protection of their assets. These services include personal security protection for TCC executives and their families, protection of residential areas and work, tactical military advice and training of the national police and armed forces, gathering intelligence on the movements democratic opposition groups, arms procurement and management of forces and weapons systems for military attack and assassination actions.(…)
(….) Hundreds of private military contractors now play an important role in the security of the TCC, in the neo-fascist evolution of the corporate world in the twenty-first century. The capital is free to travel immediately to any location worldwide where profits are possible, while nation-states become little more than containment areas of population with increasingly repressive controls on the workforce . For these reasons, the PMC ( Private Military Companies/Contractors ) should be understood as a component of the neoliberal imperialism that now complements the police power of nation states, but could finally finish replacing it.(…)
(…)The globalization of the operations of the PMC closely with transnational capital investment, international trade agreements and the growing concentration of wealth in the TCC, means that the repressive practices of private security and war inevitably encamp home in the US, the European Union and countries of the first world.
99 percent of us are without wealth and power of private police against the threat of outright repression and the total loss of human rights and legal protections. We see signs every day, with killings by the police (currently about 100 per month in the US), electronic eavesdropping without a warrant, mass incarceration, traffic random checkpoints, airport security lists to prohibit / exclude the fly, making databases of Homeland Security with suspected resistance.
Every time we refuse to see the crimes of the Empire, we lose a part of our own integrity. Ignore repression becomes a constant of daily life that leads to a moral unrest and a growing sense of helplessness. We must rise up and demand democratic transparency and international monitoring of human rights. Unless collectively defy the Empire, we will end up finding ourselves in a world that is evolving into a new era of neo-feudal totalitarianism had never before known.
“that not a conclusion, only a statement of fact.”
A statement of fact is a conclusion by virtue of being deemed a “fact”.
““this attack has just given NATO a pretext to intervene in Syria. ”
The logical error was in respect of the above which conflates a juridical “possibility” subject to “interpretation” with a “fact” since pretexts normally exist in implementation.
The purpose was to suggest that analysts are normally precise, are not of limited vision and exhibit patience given context which includes but is not necessary limited to events in Vienna and elsewhere.
Your response was interesting.
Removed
Time to start organizing for a transition in the West never mind Syria. And towards a post capitalist world. They say the USSR collapsed….. after 2 world wars heading for a 3rd and now this 3rd global depression…I would say capitalism is a complete failure.
RR
I’m usually a sceptic – especially for that recent train attack.
But in this case we have ISIL on the back foot in Syria and probably about to lose out completely. They need a comeback. And ideally one that isn’t against other Muslims. The Russian jet was one good way. And France is probably the easiest country to operate in – full of look-alikes and some of which might offer assistance.
The press will no doubt try to blame Russia – and in one sense they are. Europe is where ISIL will go to when it gets run out of Syria.
But of course ISIL is just one of those monsters the US creates when it wants to bring about regime change without getting its hands dirty.
As (first) seen on The (Donbass) Resistance site: [‘Bashar el Assad : Terrorism is an ideology, not an organization or a structure; and ideology doesn’t acknowledge any borders. 20 years ago, terrorism used to be exported from our region, particularly from Gulf countries, like Saudi Arabia.] Now, it is coming to our region from Europe, especially from France. The largest percentage of the European terrorists coming to Syria are French; and you had a number of incidents in France.’ – Nov 28 2014. http://www.parismatch.com/Actu/International/Our-Interview-with-Syrian-President-Bashar-al-Assad-661984
I don’t know much about false flags, but doesn’t it count for something that ISIS claimed responsibility for this attack? Just as some Yemeni jihadists claimed responsibility for the Charlie Hebdo killings. It seems a bit farfetched to me that these jihadist freaks could be convinced to sacrifice themselves for the sake of Western intelligence agencies. Although I agree, all the coincidences with passports are improbable to say the least…
I thought we all agreed that ISIS and Western intelligence agencies and rather chummy with each other…
The entire NATO alliance? No. That’s overdramatic, possibly that idiot Hollande trying to get a pretext for sustained support from the French public.
Let’s see what the Russian govt says.
To further prove that this is not likely to turn into a pan-Western intervention, let me quote Kerry (in French – Kerry’s French is pretty good) from a live speech 30secs ago:
(my rough translation)
“we will support France as they chase the terrorists that did this.”
That is pretty clear that this is for France to deal with.
No need to expand this.
I take Mr. Ed’s comment to mean the frenchies can gd well proceed as they like, with full aid & abet from NATO, meaning the same way they did against Libya, remember?
After they run out of their own bombs after 48 hours, they get bottomless resupply from NATO!
BTW, Shrub started bombing Afghanistan on Oct 7 2001, 4 weeks after 911.
This emperor wannabe won’t wait anywhere that long, but at least this time I see they’re not going to be so blazing sickening transparent as the last big episode, where their Je Suis Charlie carrier left port within hours of that incident!
So the one thing they have going for them is they’ve reduced the turnaround time of restaffing, restocking, fixing & refuelling a carrier with 5000 crew from months to a few hours.
@mikhas
You r right mikhas. But then, “b” never does, does he?
He still pushes the whole Bin Laden fairy tale re 9-11.
MoA does however provide much useful info, particularly re the MENA region.
MoA doesn’t do criticism of Israel. I got banned there faster than anywhere else. As Mossad pulled off 9/11, as we all know, this makes sense.
MM
I was also banned from moa for posting anti-zionist comments. the site is another Jewish zionist misdirection psyop, which in this case is specifically targeting left wing readership.
I’m not really into PsyOps and reading too much into things, buuuuuuuuut…..
The attack was done on Friday the 13th (American superstition) and one of the attacks occurred in the place where an American rock band “Eagles of Death” was playing. Get it, eagles of death? Bald eagles of death, perhaps?
For the masses, it will be the fault of Islamic State, Bashar Assad, Russia, Novorossia, Iran, etc.
For those who are paying attention, the message was clear – war by the empire both against its enemies and vassals who disobey.
@ FromSerbia:
“[..] The attack was done on Friday the 13th (American superstition) and one of the attacks occurred in the place where an American rock band “Eagles of Death” was playing. Get it, eagles of death? Bald eagles of death, perhaps?”
I’m totally with you on the significance these “black-ops” place on superstitious dates [Friday the 13th, Halloween (etc)], numerology, and the rest of it.
But, just to be clear… the full name of the band in question is: Eagles of Death Metal, not “Eagles of Death.”
Eagles of Death Metal:
https://www.facebook.com/eaglesofdeathmetal/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eagles_of_Death_Metal
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Seems like nitpicking but; ‘death’ is one thing, “Death Metal” is a music genre. Two very different things!
But I do agree with you that there’s some kind of weird symbolism going on here, especially with the Eagle [Bald Eagle = American] part of it ;-)
-TL2Q
In the US way of keeping dates, it’s on 11/13/15 which just seems, well, symbolic somehow.
The strange thing about “The Eagles of Death Metal” is that they seem to be a blues-rock band (NOT death metal) that does satire. As an aside, my wife thought it was odd that, according to CNN, they were back here in the US by 1:00 am. Weren’t the airports closed and why would anyone be in a rush to get some unknown band back to the US?
I imagine that a band jet would be a great way to transport AK-47s … pass me the tinfoil, I need a new hat.
@ A Critic:
“[..] The strange thing about “The Eagles of Death Metal” is that they seem to be a blues-rock band (NOT death metal) that does satire…”
Hmmm… that’s very interesting indeed, A Critic.
From this Rolling Stones interview:
“[..] With quotes like this gem from Homme, even the new album’s [* Zipper Down] press release is an exercise in smartass antics: “In an independent study, four out of three doctors say Zipper Down is an eargasm trapped inside a crazerbeam.” It’s an interesting sell, much like the band’s name. They sound nothing like The Eagles [* The Eagles are a well known American rock band formed in Los Angeles in 1971] or death metal”
Further reading:
“[..] So essentially Zipper Down is the Eagles of Death Metal response to terrorism?
Homme: Yeah. We put out a record and human rights are better, the world feels better, people make more money, there’s less anger, people are more respectful to women and to homosexuals, and they’re generally nicer each other, they’re kinder to each other, and that’s why we really felt like it was time to let the healing begin”
LINK: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/eagles-of-death-metal-on-their-potluck-of-awesome-20150917?page=2
-TL2Q
At the “very least” the events on Halloween and now Friday the 13th show some of the “jihadis” are very aware of US culture.If I was attacking Russia or France and wanted something “symbolic” I’d pick days that meant something in those cultures.The next week after the attack on the plane was a Russian holiday.Yet they didn’t strike then.And only a few days ago was Armistice Day in France.With large crowds out to attack.Yet they didn’t strike then.They picked days that mean something to Americans.Maybe to make sure that the US population paid attention? When you are sitting the stage to convince your population to do something, you want their attention to be fully there.
I don’t know — for most Americans Halloween and Friday the 13th doesn’t mean much at this point. I saw only maybe 1/2 dozen kids going around for trick and treating even, and no decorations to speak of. Even Christmas lights are not seen very much now, with just ahouse here and there. This seems to me to be more what politicians, advertisers, and media think *ought* to be meaningful rather than what is — like it’s stretching to find something.
Admittedly I’m not big on celebrating any holiday, but even so, the most I see of Christmas, for instance, is what the stores are doing with sales and playing bad music. There is a huge disconnect between ‘official’ or corporate US and where people are with the stuff.
My meaning was that everyone recognizes it.There actually is quite a bit done on Halloween at least in my region (parties and all).And almost everyone in the US,if you ask what the significance is of Friday the 13th they could tell you.Its not a “holiday” but the date is certainly well known.
Dates and numbers are very important to the Illuminati, if you wanna call them that. Christine Lagarde went on and on about the number 7. check her out on youtube.
If I’m not mistaken, the 2003 attack on Iraq, maybe the attack on Serbia, and the attack on Libya coincided with Purim, the Jewish festival of vengeance.
It probably all has a certain Kabbalic importance. Just add up the letters, or something like that.
A couple of commentators on this thread have made reference to a post on a previous thread regarding a meeting of top and former security heads of western intelligence agencies at the end of October. Its all interesting timing, although it doesn’t prove they discussed the attacks that were to take place in Paris.
CIA Director John Brennan, former UK MI6 Chief John Sawers, Director of the French Directorate for External Security Bernard Bajolet, and former Israeli National Security Advisor Yaacov Amidror were all in town at the same time end of October. What else was discussed off-panel? A connection with the Paris attacks?
CIA Director Brennan Met With French Security Chief Before Paris Attacks – Report
http://www.legitgov.org/CIA-Director-Brennan-Met-French-Security-Chief-Paris-Attacks-Report
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=su7InUwi3Hc
See: CIA-GW Intelligence Conference: Panel on The Shared 21st Century International Mission –GW Center for Cyber and Homeland Security 29 Oct 2015 Panel on “The Shared 21st Century International Mission” featuring CIA Director John Brennan, former UK MI6 Chief John Sawers, Director of the French Directorate for External Security Bernard Bajolet, and former Israeli National Security Advisor Yaacov Amidror. Held as part of the 2nd Annual Ethos and Profession of Intelligence Conference, co-hosted by the Central Intelligence Agency and the George Washington University. Held on October 27, 2015.
Well, if the Russians have not installed S400 defenses, they had better hurry and bring them to Syria now.
If NATO and Turkey are to be controlled, the skies over Syria have to be in the hands of the Russian AF.
Act now, Vlad.
Russian missiles of all types have been in Syria for years.
That’s the ONLY reason why the SAA has no been blasted to Kingdom Come by NATO a long time ago.
It seems that we are caught in a vicious circle of war. I am tempted to ignore it all and become a pacifist. And yet reality is not peaceful in our times.
I practice the kind of love which, at least for me, breaks out of the vicious circle, the deepest rung of hell that is around my own heart.
I’ll continue to watch the wheel of fire turn and burn while doing my best not to feed the fire. While the legions of patriarchs fiddle while our home burns, I’ll continue to carry a bucket of holy water to douse the sparks that threaten a forest fire around my feet.
“If your memory serves you well…”
This wheel’s on fire
Rolling down the road
Best notify my next of kin
This wheel will explode
-Bob Dylan and Rick Danko, This Wheel’s on Fire
“Love is certain. It will never end because it never had a beginning. It does not change because it is always the same. The Lover is the game and game played.”
-thelovegovernment.com
It’s surprising to see that false flag witch hunts are still in style, but then again, it is the fringe internet.
Why not even entertain the thought that this is the inevitable consequence of France thinking that it was a good idea to help NATO attack other countries? Why not consider — as there is no excuse to not notice this — that French, like all NATO “intelligence” institutions — are comically corrupt and mostly incapable of preventing attacks like this (sometimes they make mistakes and do prevent attacks)?
Once again, the Muslims have shown that underneath the thin veneer of “freedom and democracy” is a permanent military dictatorship. France will probably take the bait and get itself dragged into a costly war while their domestic economy gets crushed through more security spending. France is an American style commerce state and is incapable of total war rearming…but still thinks it can. Just like the Americans. You can see what that brought them. Nothing but ruin.
The only country who responds well to “terrorist” attacks is Russia. Nobody is better at not taking bait. The American tooks the bait and lost. All others who followed the Americans on their pathetic campaigns only threw money away and now have far more enemies to contend with. France will probably do the same. Russia endured many attacks and rarely took the bait. And if they do, they don’t over commit themselves.
Anon, 4.42, to follow or swallow your line of thinking you would have to imagine that takfiri jihadism is an entirely home-grown, indigenous movement created and sustained in the Middle East. Unfortunately there is voluminous, nay mountainous, evidence that it is, in fact, a creation of the West, led by the USA, designed to destroy the states of the Middle East then attack Russia, China and Iran, cement US control over the region’s fossil fuel riches and create a Clash of Civilizations war that will allow greater elite repression and control at home in the West.
And just one more piece in the puzzle for the attacks and the suspicious timing (just when jihadis appear to be collapsing around Aleppo and other areas):
Syria talks in Vienna overshadowed by Paris massacre
https://www.rt.com/news/322023-vienna-talks-peace-syria/
we are now 3 weeks from the regional elections in France, and the national front from Marine le Pen is about to make significant gains.
that’s why I don’t believe a second It’s a false flag. If it is, it has been performed with foreign based help. the system in place has too much to lose if Marine is elected in 2017.
she’s anti-europe, US, nato, globalists, euro, and islamo-zionists. that doesn’t stick with the scenario.
Another beneficiary would be S.A., who is it seems on the ropes at a critical time with the recent series of Yemen military victories carrying the war right back to them.
The Yemens took that first S.A. town in a fight just 2 days before Fri 13th.
http://original.antiwar.com/hallinan/2015/11/13/the-saudis-are-stumbling-they-may-take-the-middle-east-with-them/
Grandmaster Putin Beats Uncle Sam at His Own Game
Imagine that you despised your brother-in-law and wanted to kill him. But you didn’t have the guts to do it yourself so you hired a hit-man to do the job for you.
Would you still be guilty of murder?
You’re darn right, you would be. So let’s apply this same rule to US foreign policy: Would it be just as wrong to invade a country, kill its people and topple its government with militants that you funded, armed and trained as it would be with your own US troops?
Yep, it sure would be.
Why does it matter?
It matters because Obama’s Syrian policy has resulted in the deaths of 250,000 people and created 11 million refugees. That’s more refugees than Iraq. And the funny thing is, the media doesn’t even talk about it, in fact, there’s not one major media outlet in the entire country that has stated what everyone knows to be the obvious truth; that the United States is 100 percent responsible for the refugee crisis. 100 percent! Assad had nothing to do with it. US policy and our buck-passing president are entirely to blame.
On Tuesday, the Syrian Arab Army (SAA), the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC), and fighters from the feared Lebanese national militia, Hezbollah, recaptured the strategic Kuweires military airbase in North Syria killing hundreds of ISIS terrorists and liberating 250 Syrian soldiers who had been holding out at the base for more than two and a half years.
Kuweires is Syria’s Stalingrad, the famous WW 2 siege which lasted from August 1942 to February 1943 when the German Wehrmacht was repelled by the ferocious Red Army in the largest and bloodiest battle in the history of warfare.
As a result, Washington has been forced to rethink its approach and adapt to the rapidly-changing conditions on the ground.
So they launched a major ground offensive and cut off ISIS vital supply lines?
What a novel idea? Too bad no one in Washington thought about that before wasting the last 18 months blowing up camels in the dessert or whatever the hell they were doing. And why has the Pentagon been playing circlejerk for the last year and a half while these freaks raped women, lopped off heads and wreaked havoc across the countryside when they could have pulled the plug on them long ago?
“Why”? Let me explain “why”?
It’s because ISIS is Washington’s favorite windup toy. They just let these hooligans “Do their thing” as long as they advance US geopolitical goals and, when they’ve served their purpose, they stomp them out like a stag beetle.
the Obama crew has had to move on to Plan B: Liquidate ISIS and hold-on to those areas that were under ISIS control. That will give Uncle Sam the territory he’s going to need to set up his “safe zones” that’ll be protected by US aircover and serve as sanctuaries for more troublemaking sociopaths who can be deployed back into Syria to perpetuate the conflict deep into the future. That’s the US strategy in a nutshell.
Erdogan is a megalomaniac and a menace And the same goes for Obama too. Obama may be down, but he’s not out just yet. He still has a few more tricks up his sleeve and he’s sure to use them before this thing is over. Even so, the advantage definitely goes to Putin at this point. He took on the entire Washington braintrust and beat them at their own game.
Like him or not, you got to tip your hat to a guy like that.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article43404.htm
For what it’s worth, this RT broadcast that aired in the US calls a spade a spade.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7GAbVhjTSw
Is RT mainstream in the US? No, but this was playing on my television on dish tv channel 280.
Respect to those poor SAA soldiers holding out for YEARS!
Excellent.
Never heard of him before but will watch for further commentary from him.
Katherine
Most insightful. Capitalism in crisis results in Fascism at home, Imperialism abroad.
RR
“Grandmaster Putin Beats Uncle Sam at His Own Game”
It would appear that the Russian strategy is assymetrical as all wise strategies are.
If you play the opponents’ game you are limited by the opponents’ paradigm.
Chess may be believed by some to represent the pinnacle of logical endeavour but some are not playing chess or any other game.
Doing so would not only be symetrical but self-defeating.
My thoughts on recent events in France:
1) Definitely a false flag. NATO needs a response to the Russian intervention in Syria, and now they have created for themselves a nice little pretext. Also, the location (center of the great city of Paris) and timing (during a France-Germany football game, attended by Hollande and the German FM)
Also the aircraft carrier.
2) The NATO scumbags, have been aching to attack Syria for many years now. However, they have not done so. Was this because Obama was indecisive? No. was it due to the fact that they did not have clearance from the UNSC? No. Was this because they did not have a good enough pretext? No. They have staged countless false flags (sarin gas attack being the most well known) to that end. The reason why NATO has not attacked Assad directly, is the presence of Russian missiles within and in the vicinity of Syria. This is what has kept them at bay, and this is what still does. This WILL NOT CHANGE WITH THE LATEST FALSE FLAG event staged by NATO.
3) Then why stage this false flag then?
Very simple, NATO wants an excuse to create a new and better foothold within Syria (especially eastern Syria, and maybe western Iraq as well, the territories that ISIS currently occupies) Their current footholds are quite discredited and are also losing on the battlefield, they need something new so as to leverage it against Russia.
This is what this false-flag will be geared towards, and this is what NATO-GCC leaders will have threatened Russia with during the ongoing Vienna talks.
Now, what form will this effort take exactly, nobody knows. If it will involve NATO troops, or just air support or what kinds of weapons will be provided to their new and re-branded pet-project remains to be seen.
Russia will also have to prepare some kind of response.
Stavros, right on, and more attacks, in other Western states, will follow. The Strategy of Tension.
Stavros, few weeks back some commentators actually pointed out something similar to your line of thinking – Raqqa region in eastern Syria is still very much within ISIS/Wahabi control, and the AngloZionist clique would like to ensure ISIS maintains the control (even if they loose southern/central/western Syria) in future, through European/Turkish adventure to ‘defeat ISIS’ …
“day after” statement made…
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11919775/The-era-of-the-IMF-as-a-French-political-plaything-must-end.html
Nov 13; China to be admitted to the IMF SDR facility
http://www.imf.org/external/np/sec/pr/2015/pr15513.htm
the clock starts for the Nov 30 official meeting
A sure sign of a scripted Western False Flag stunt is the infallible “discovery” of the alleged perpetrators’ passports. Silly beyond laughable but I think the Zionazis have a pretty good grasp of the stupidity and depravity of their Western audience.
Charlie Hebdo, Hollande, and BHL — be careful what you wish for. Western imperialism doesn’t quite offer its benign protection without coercion.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH
It’s as if these “terrorists” have a fetish of embarking on suicide missions with their God damn passports shoved up their hairy Jihadi asses.
The Zio-Westerners as you have pointedly underlined, are fully aware of the heroic stupidity of their populations.
But there is another aspect to that I would claim. They are also openly mocking the few intelligent and perceptive people out there who do realize what is going on.
Exactly. One understands the extreme contempt and profound amusement among the Western kakistocracy with regard to their own so-called “Information society” and all that goes with it. Wouldn’t be the slightest surprised to hear the MSM tell us the entire plot was put together on Assad’s and Putin’s (non-existent) bloody LinkedIn pages or something, including where to dispose the terrorists’ passports.
What the Swedish MSM had on offer tonight regarding the Paris attacks was, as indeed it should, the full proclamation of the Official Party Line Of Western Imperialism: ISIS are very, very, very angry at the secular, educated, Open Society of the West bravely confronting them in Syria and Iraq. Starring duly all the Eurocretins and other degenerates at home and abroad. I was in fact giggling throughout the entire broadcast. Total horseshit.
Nussiminen, the ludicrous touches like the ubiquitous passports found serve a few purposes, I think. They are a statement by the real perpetrators that they can get away with anything, being Exceptional, and the dumb-struck serfs in the West will swallow it, without complaint, not wishing to be labeled ‘conspiracy theorists’ (as meaningless these days as ‘antisemites’). And they serve to keep an eye on the MSM scum. Any one that shows enough brains and integrity to question the preposterous narrative can swiftly be terminated and advised to seek employment elsewhere. The sight of the entire magnificent corpus of the glorious Western Free Press regurgitating lies and imbecilities that do not pass any test of logic and knowledge, without a single one amongst scores deviating from the Groupthink and Newspeak one iota, is a triumph of group control. Without a doubt the West has the sickness unto Death.
Yeah, that is so true. If my memory serves me right, they also found Mohammed Atta’s passport in the debris from the WTC . The passport survived but the black boxes from the 2 planes were”completely destroyed”.
Go figure!!!
The MSM’s crap about Mohammed Atta’s passport allegedly found intact right in the debris of the WTC was evidently deemed such a stroke of genius to duly serve as a template for future “festivities”. Each and every Muslim terrorist (on Western soil, at least) always carries his or her passport when the time is nigh. After all, isn’t it quite reasonable to assume that Paradise could be utilizing some Border Control that necessitates a due ID ?
This passport was an added bounty, allegedly showing that the ‘terrorist’ entered with the refugee flow. This is good for the strategy of tension, with all the refugees now suspect, which will add to the Islamophobia, which will please Israel, which as the real Osama noted after he denied any involvement in 9/11, is determined to create a war between Islam and the West. The killers, I would imagine, were flown in for the purpose, perhaps on some Saudi ‘prince’s’ private jet, along with a few tons of Captogan to bolster the morale of their fellows.
Passports are indestructible, don’t you know that? They are made that way. Just make sure you have a convenient nation-state to blame it on….Iraq…..Syria…
Well according to Wall Street Journal, a French official said that the Hollande government has no plans to invoke article 5 of the NATO treaty
http://www.wsj.com/articles/paris-attacks-prompt-debate-on-further-military-intervention-on-syria-1447499860
Who could they invoke it against? ISIS is their own creation and has no recognized state. Syria, the putative target, is actually fighting ISIS. Syria has already given warning to France that it has had enough of French jets bombing Syrian infrastructure. Regarding the Charles de Gaulle, the Syrian military have stated the regard it approach to the Syrian coast as an act of agression.
https://syrianfreepress.wordpress.com/2015/11/11/french-aircraft-carrier/
If the French wanted to attack ISIS in Syrian territory, they have to get permission of the legitimate government of Syria, or UN Security Council cover. Without either of those, they are conducting an act of aggression against Syria. Also, if they have officially declared war they are subject to international law regarding conduct during war (which is why the Anglo-Zionists go to great pains to avoid declaring war). Hollande should be very careful given the amount of support the French have given to ISIS in the past.
Remember the US and stooges,”don’t need no stinkin international law”.They make the rules up as they go along.As long as they don’t “noticeably” (to someone important enough) go overboard.Then they can find any excuse to do anything.The US didn’t get UN approval for invading Iraq.They just formed a “coalition of the bribed…er,I meant…of the willing” to invade.They could do the same this time.But for the Western (US) public,it wouldn’t be the US doing it.It would be “poor, martyred” France calling for support from their allies to help them.And “who” among NATO allies,could deny France’s pleas for aid against “vile terrorism”.
While in no way dismissing what happened in Paris as anything but horrific I note that the US+vassal instigated war in Syria claims those numbers or likely more every day for 5 years now.
Take conservative numbers – 220,000 dead (UN figure for Jan 2015) and divide by 365 then 5 and you get a daily death toll of 120 people. Every day.
Obviously these deaths in Syria don’t really matter to most westeners and certainly not the USA administration and their vile agencies.
I think that is why Assad’s comments as reported by someone here bear paying attention to.
Terrorism that we have been experiencing in Syria for five years: You now know what we live under.
If there were any logic in this world, Syrian forces would be advancing on Washington.
Well, some kind of force is advancing on Europe, . . .
And wasn’t something like this, actually, expected????
Somehow it seems unlikely that this would be perpetrated by Muslims already living in France. For starters, where would they get the weapons? Also, in spite of the conditions expereinced by Muslims already settled in France, some of which are negative, they are not all negative. They do enjoy the advantages of life in a European country and away from a war zone . . .
It just seems a bit ‘coincidental” for an attack like this to take place in the immediate wake of uncontrolled inflows of “refugees” and migrants—mostly young men, it appears from the photos I have seen. It is, simply, not credible that those with ill intent would NOT grab the opportunity to walk right over borders.
WHAT IN THE WORLD WAS MERKEL THINKING????
How does this affect her position?
Katherine
Katherine
Two books I recommend, if anyone has the time and inclination are Carl Schmitt’s Theory of the Partisan and Cormac McCarthy’s Blood Meridian (fiction). It is not for nothing that US planner refer to MENA as “indian country.”
If you start with the presumption that US hegemony demands that the ME, aside from Israel, be torn to shreds as part of the PNAC, that Syria along with all those other countries like Iraq and Libya be fragmented and internecine warfare be inflicted so as to weaken Iran and subsequently Russia, then the function of the robotic, choreographed ISIL and other assorted head choppers becomes clear.
It is paramount that Europe and Russia not become an economic union that can bolster Russia so does what is currently happening in the EU, inflicted indirectly by the USA, Turkey, Saudi, Qatar and the UK, all make perfect sense?
It’s just Empire business, seen throughout history -the power vacuum left by the decline of the Soviet Union was very bad for the little guy and peace, sovereignty and democracy.
They are having various ‘religious’ services for the victims of Paris, but the victims of Beirut, Sinai, Turkey and elsewhere killed by this Western-created death-squad get no mention. But that’s really existing ‘Western Moral Values’ for you.
Hypocrisy. As I pointed out elsewhere here, the same number in Paris or greater are killed daily in Syria and have been every day for the last 5 years.
Who places flowers and weeps for them?
I don’t place flowers but for the victims in Syria and Donbas and other countries where by innocents are shredded daily my soul cries rivers of tears.
What happened in Paris looks similar to what happened earlier in N.Y., in London and Madrid. It is different of what is happening daily in Syria, Irak and Libya in that sense that in the Middle-East it looks like a war between the Salafist and the Wahabits against the other muslims considered as being heretics. It is not the case in Europe or in the US where those attacks have been triggering wars against Afghanistan, Irak, Libya, Syria and Yemen. Some muslims may have been used to commit thoses crimes but I feel that they were manipulated to fulfill the objectives of the New World Order. They are the same that have created mayhem in Ukraine.
I 80% agree…where i diverge is that its so easy to send an email or whateverthefrack to some no-lifer in syria controlling external comms, and with someones ‘blessing’ and perhaps even a few western union wire transfers or straight up cash drop, enable these people to “participate” in “striking back at the kaffirs” in Europe, as theyve been advised that Syrias insurrection and sunnistan is on a dead-cat bounce, and that they wouldbt be advised nor financed to join the fighters there. Whether this was allowed to happen due to propaganda value orwhether it was a tragic faux pas by the dgse, we will never know, only speculate.
Mac
The Paris attacks were a Gladio type operation to swing the coming G20 meeting and the western public to support putting troops on the ground in Syria to further the Western agenda to continue and increase its attack on the East.
An additional convenience is that the Syrian passport “assignee” allegedly entered the EU through Greece on October 3rd – after Mme Merkel’s ‘Come All Ye Faithful’ call, which could have implications for the ongoing refugee crisis and how the bodies end up getting shunted around Europe and especially the Balkans.
It’s almost as if once they cried their salty tears, Hollande’s government clapped their hands together and said ‘right, how can we make use of this?’
Saker,
I have found this quote from Sergei Ivanov on FortRuss, with an analysis by someone whose expertise in understanding the nuances in high level official utterances I have no knowledge of.
Would you have time to take a look and give your known expert opinion please?
“Read carefully what was said today by Sergey Ivanov:
“At the initiative of the United States of America and the Russian Federation, a study has been conducted on the sources of ISIS’ financing . It would be nice if such a study was not the final point of collaboration, but was, on the contrary, the impetus for further and practical actions to identify particular States, individuals and legal entities engaged in the financing of ISIL.”
Thanks
“At the initiative of the United States of America and the Russia Federation??!!??”
Wow. Are we seeing bilateral efforts to identify criminal actors in the US Deep State and those supranational actors Elsi posted about?
“those supranational actors Elsi posted about”
/a-warning-about-the-paris-terror-attacks/comment-page-1/#comment-173386
Sometimes.
“Sometimes”
Adding to context
http://fortruss.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/dmitry-yarosh-resigned-to-save-his-life
http://fortruss.blogspot.ru/2015/11/putin-to-pursue-sponsors-of-terrorism
Upon reading about the attacks, I immediately remembered those done in Mumbai, India almost exactly 7 years ago because of the very similar plan, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Mumbai_attacks
Then I saw an ambulance labeled Medicine, recalled the deliberate policy of hospital bombings by the Outlaw Empire, Saudi and the most recent attack by IDF, and wondered at the irony.
Intact passports and the connection with Operation Northwoods (911).
French spoken with French accents–native speakers, not recent immigrants.
The targets themselves, which Pepe Escobar reflects on, http://www.sott.net/article/306354-Pepe-Escobar-on-the-Paris-attacks-Who-profits
Why evoke Syria when France was more involved in the destruction of Libya?
Cui bono, indeed?
Little details described by witnesses, particularly in the concert hall, must be closely examined by a Francophone as they contain crucial clues, like the native tongue French spoken.
Does the attack really change what was already to happen going forward?
I agree with Saker and b that there’re too many questions requiring answers to arrive at a definitive conclusion, aside from the fact that more innocents have died as a result of the Outlaw Empire’s quest to establish Full Spectrum Dominance. That’s where I place ultimate blame.
I suggest everyone read Angry Arab’s list of observations about the attack as it includes items nobody here’s even begun mentioning, http://angryarab.blogspot.com/2015/11/some-observations-about-carnage-in-paris.html
OH
Yeah, the French attacks look very similar to the ones on India. Same disgusting Israeli stench all over it, as well. Will we see key witnesses quickly moving to zionaziland, like what happened after Mumbai?
Published on 29 Oct 2015Panel on “The Shared 21st Century International Mission” featuring CIA Director John Brennan, former UK MI6 Chief John Sawers, Director of the French Directorate for External Security Bernard Bajolet, and former Israeli National Security Advisor Yaacov Amidror. Moderated by David Ignatius, Columnist at the Washington Post. Held as part of the 2nd Annual Ethos and Profession of Intelligence Conference, co-hosted by the Central Intelligence Agency and the George Washington University. Held on October 27, 2015.
Mostly talk about Russia in Syria
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=su7InUwi3Hc
Saker, do you really think one French carrier launching a few sorties will make that much difference? Hollande says this is war, big deal. France had been on high alert since Charlie Hebdo. I guess high alert doesn’t get you much in Paris. The French are busy going to concerts with no security while on high alert? In a week this will blow over, the borders will open, and the destruction of France will continue. They are powerless to stop it. Alex
Alex, you seem to infer that we’re dealing with rational actors.
USA and NATO are determined to do what they do because ‘we’ are specialer than people in these brown countries.. and thus any resistance and defiance is in-itself an act of war
While we don’t have ll the details yet we know that these attacks were horrible and can’t be tolerated, so we have one obvious conclusion: NATO and the rest of the world must immediately attack Syria, Russia, and Iran, and give the Middle East over to Israel to rule.
This will, of course, also solve the economic and climate change crises.
Rah, rah USA! Why put off ’till tomorrow what you can do today.
(We’ll see this on CNN soon.)
And with that I’m going to bring in all the great the stuff in the car that I bought while shopping, and stop thinking about this. Nothing better to do, after all.
Re: Syrian passport
Apparently fake Syrien passports are in high demand by asylum seekers, as it gives them refugee status. Apparently those are quite easy to obtain:
https://twitter.com/jenanmoussa/status/665503780776071169
So I would not give too much importance to that as of yet.
9/11,
januari 2015 Paris
friday the thirteenth
someone should tell the terrorrists:
STOP conveniently dropping your passports at the attacksite
also
Watch out for suspicious deaths in the days to come
Re: Syrian passport. Doubt of terrorists taking passports to an attack, wise altogether..
Indeed. Even CBS has now apparently announced that US intel claims the Syrian passport has proven to be fake:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/paris-attacks-teams-extremists-france-prosecutor/
Some people are so naive as to think that no government would kill its own citizens. But governments do so all the time. There are an endless number of false flag attacks, such as Operation Gladio. Operation Gladio was a CIA/Italian intelligence operation that relentlessly bombed innocent Italians, such as those waiting in a train station, murdering hundreds, and then blaming the violence on the European communist parties in the post-WW II era in order to block the communists from electoral gains. Considering the Western World’s long tradition of false flag orchestrations, the “11-13 terrorist attacks” in Paris could be the most recent manifestation. It happened on Friday the 13th (commemorating the massacre of the proto-illuminati Templars) in the 11th month, in Paris’s 11th district. It’s going to be remembered as “11/13” or “Friday the 13th.” Illuminati numerology or coincidence? Almost every really big, spectacular terror attack turns out, after extensive critical examination, to have been the usual state-sponsored false-flag stuff. There is no reason to think this one will be any different. If we are really dealing with fanatical Islamic terrorists, how come they NEVER attack their greatest enemy Israel? Of course the only way it all makes perfect sense is if you understand who the real terrorists are & ultimately who really controls ISIS.
Operation Gladio was a CIA/Italian intelligence operation
It turns out to have operated in every country in Western Europe.
Full story here, or at least as much as is publicly known:
https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Nato%27s_Secret_Armies
http://sandiego.indymedia.org/media/2006/10/119640.pdf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k83L3I6Z35w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGHXjO8wHsA
You should have watched John Kerrys and Sergei Lavrov’s speach on Al Jazeera tv channel, where both declared that they would fight Daech and al Nosra the two terrorist organizations under the cover of UN. Tehere was an agreement btween USA ans Russia in Vienna.
The Syrian passport found right away. Remember this about passports.
NATIONAL COMMISSION ON TERRORIST ATTACKS UPON THE UNITED STATES
Public Hearing
Monday, January 26, 2004
Hart Senate Office Building
Washington, DC
Official page of that hearing:
http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/archive/hearing7/9-11Commission_Hearing_2004-01-26.htm
There you can easily find the testimony of a Ms Susan Ginsburg (senior counsel to the Commission) who says, among other things, the following
MS. SUSAN GINSBURG: Beginning with passports. Four of the hijackers passports have survived in whole or in part. Two were recovered from the crash site of United Airlines flight 93 in Pennsylvania. These are the passports of Ziad Jarrah and Saeed al Ghamdi. One belonged to a hijacker on American Airlines flight 11. This is the passport of Satam al Suqami. A passerby picked it up and gave it to a NYPD detective shortly before the World Trade Center towers collapsed A fourth passport was recovered from luggage that did not make it from a Portland flight to Boston on to the connecting flight which was American Airlines flight 11. This is the passport of Abdul Aziz al Omari.
In addition to these four, some digital copies of the hijackers passports were recovered in post-9/11 operations. Two of the passports that have survived, those of Satam al Suqami and Abdul Aziz al Omari, were clearly doctored. To avoid getting into classified detail, we will just state that these were manipulated in a fraudulent manner in ways that have been associated with al Qaeda.
This is getting old, real old! This tit for tat game with the false flags, the posturing, etc. Folks I suggest you break out Orwell’s 1984 and think about what is going on. Nobody on either side is taking major action to these threats. Why? Simple, both parties benefit from this constant warmongering/posturing. The get to infringe on the rights of their countrymen at home and get to make $$$$$$$ by bombing the hell out of worthless second or third tier nation states which barely function. You love Putin right? Where was he before all of this stuff happened. He had folks protesting in the streets, now he is a frigging hero as he has made Russia great again. Basically he is Russia’s version of Ronald Reagan, bringing in a faux nationalism, while in reality the nation(like the world) is on the precipice of disaster economically and demographically. Russia is destined to lose, as is Syria. What happens when Vlad is out of office in 2018? You know a puppet will be elected to replace him. The neocons are united and have all the power and the only group of people that have the capability of defeating them have all been effectively neutered(American white males). The American people are the only ones who can stop this and they are too divided, too stupid, and too distracted to mount an effective challenge.
Russia had some serious military upgrading to do and they continued to supply Syria with weapons. They also have a Nazi government on their border as a result of a coup in Ukraine, created by the same people that sponsor ISIS. NATO will come in for a big surprise if they go all out against Russia. Something Russia is trying to avoid. Russia and China have bomb shelter’s for their people. We might be able to use the subway.
Cheers,
RR
Robert Bruce, Thanks. Even when one’s surmises are dark it’s better to share them– cuz there’s no substitute for the truth– all of it. Ever notice how those heavy, heavy aircraft engines don’t seem to bury themselves? Like in the Sinai crash, or MH17 which also appears to have had long-dead bodies from the Ukrainian morgue. In real accidents the engines half bury themselves even in asphalt. Paris hoax: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_QH0WkBeP0 people killed & even a suicide bomber, and STILL the windows are intact.
O.K. Here we go.
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/feinstein-boost-isis-syria/2015/11/14/id/702143/
Is it just me, or does Feinstein in that link look like a cornered animal? Today I have been somewhat preoccupied with the hidden (occult) role that human sacrifice plays in the maintenance of political order. Consider 9/11 as the initial offense, like a hit of heroin: “we [felt] what Franklin Roosevelt called ‘the warm courage of national unity.'” (George W. Bush’s address at the National Cathedral) Later and lesser outrages occurred 7/11, London, Madrid now Paris like a ritual re-enactment, recalling and reinforcing the initial terror.
@ritual reenactment
Yes.
(don’t forget Boston).
It’s like we are being taught how to respond and we mustn’t forget, so there are remedial incidents to “remind” us of the pattern. Not to be too cynical, because it would sound unfeeling toward those who are suffering in Paris, in Beirut, too . . . but the Diana death, too, provided a kind of template for public shock and mourning.
The essence of the performance of the 9/11 shock syndrome is:
DON’T ASK QUESTIONS!!
Your grief is too great to admit of any intellectual detachment to try to solve the puzzle.
You prove the depth of your (official/public) grief by immediately vowing revenge and not asking questions. (Actually, I noted that an American journalist reporting from Paris couldn’t believe that pepole were actually sitting in cafes ahveing coffee, walking around, etc., like normal. Her unspoken assumptoin was: They should all be inside and acceptoing beingn “locked down.” As if that is going to do any good at this point. The lockdown is more of the theater. the rehearsal..).
Everyone must be engaged in wailing 150 percent of the time— that emotion both feeds and justifies the violent response, the retribution, the instant threats and sabre rattling and perhaps actual war making. So emotions must be whipped up and those who try to step back and analyze are fehl am Platz, so to speak. Party poopers.
Is anyone saying, ‘Stay calm” ? We must think through what we are going to do about this. We must find and punish teh actual perpetrators? No. Instead: We must, actually, engage in collective punishment of others who are simliar in some ways to the presumed actual perpetrators. Actually, this in itself is contra Geneva, right? Collective punishment?
Anyhow,
Hence the “I am Charlie” thing. Everyone must get with the program or be branded a traitor of some kind. So, yes, the ritual reenactment is almost a rehearsal to reinforce (and induce growing acceptance of or even enjoyment of) these powerful emotions and the sense of justification that they engender, of having the right to take any kind of vengeance. Maybe not that different from the retributive violence of WAhhabism described by Angry Arab. (Of course, Yaweh isn’t too far behind in the retribution department.)
Maybe the emotions and the pattern of responses must be reenergized on a regular basis. Terrible to speculate in this way.
Don’t confuse us—or damp down our ardor for some kind of big action— with facts. I wanna feel the blood lust and bonding!
9/ll was both a “new Pearl Harbor” and, for others, a “new Reichstag Fire.”
Katherine
Well said and certainly fits. This kind of terror is supposed to put the good little citizen in a childlike state looking for protection from above. We are in it together ! aren´t we?
Very interesting. Yes. Can I just add “two minutes hate” as another point of reference for this form of conditioning?
Getting back to that picture of Feinstein, and my preoccupation, so what we have is basically a religious system where the citizen-children offer emotional submission and the political/media class provides comforting affirmations. A pecking order is established domestically, every one is so to speak on the same page. I suspect however that this tower of babel is not constructed on the firmest of foundations, and behind the facade of sympathetic (and synthetic) concord there is weeping and gnashing of teeth — what I saw in the photo of the Senator.
There is a lot of talk about the need for “a broad coalition of friends and allies” but does Washington view Russia as “friend”? Or rivals? My money — Federal Reserve Notes, former petrodollars — is on the latter.
“Hence the “I am Charlie” thing. Everyone must get with the program or be branded a traitor of some kind. ”
Vaccination requires attenuated exposure.
Overdosing vaccines aids mutation..
The hubris of “exceptional perception management” contains notions of subject/object in a laterally dynamic world.
In some measure objects appear to be mutating into subjects.
http://russia-insider.com/en/je-suis-paris-mais-non-jai-ennui/ri11175
Exactly what I argued the other day.For the US a Russian and Assad victory. and ending the war in Syria is a disaster.And as I said their MO remains “unchanged”,only the circumstances and targets are “tweaked” to fit whoever is their current victim.Their plan is becoming clear.How to stop it,is less clear.But standing around waiting is the worst of all options available.
First, i’m French. I’ve been reading this blog for years. Never replied before because English isn’t my native language and it’s not easy for me (insufficient vocabulary).
About the false flag: i don’t buy it at all.
1- Holland hasn’t got enough guts for it. Really not.
2- massive unemployment, lots of French are fed up with Europe, corruption, idiot ministers: French people can’t stand Holland anymore, and believe me or not, a few days ago, i told to my friends : “if a terrorist attack occurs in France, Marine LePen will win 2017 elections.” For Holland, that’s his worse nightmare.
3-The Syrian/Egyptian passports are a joke for many journalists. Many of them clearly said they aren’t real/good clues: they are easy and cheap to buy.
4- Terrorist attack in France isn’t a surprise : we invited the Devil (Quatar/Saudi) in our House, we would had to pay the price sooner or later.
My opinion:
Quatar threatened Russia, DAESH attacked Paris: they want to see Western troops in Syria, against Russia. Russia is kicking their b*tt, time is running out for them and they know that the Westerners won’t send troops before/during elections. They fear that they won’t be able to resist until the elections are over.
For the moment, no one blame Russia here. Media are really anti-Putin, but lot of French people aren’t.
We’re not that stupid: it’s clear that Russia hurted badly DAESH, only Russia did and is doing the job. Here people think and feel this truth, whatever media say. But you, Saker’s friends, can only read Western media, you can’t hear the voice of the *real* citizens. Western media ONLY show what they want you see…
Ask yourself why i come here (and i’m not the only one) to read religiously “The Vineyard of the Saker”…
Only my 2 cents.
Just keep in mind that a false flag does not necessarily Holland was responsible — there are many players around, including NATO and US and other countries.
Arkady
Your English is very good, even down to the slang terms and sentence grammar, which are usually the most difficult things to learn, and also are the last things mastered.
I also think that Holland is/was totally clueless as to what had happened. Many western heads of states are totally clueless by default, even John.F.Kennedy complained on many occasions that the CIA was keeping him in the dark.
thanks for sharing your opinion. I dont think the Saker has made any conclusions yet, and me as another avid reader, hasn’t either. But we are “OPEN” to such a possibility, simply based on experience. again that does not mean I think or concluded that this is a false flag….
Arkady, what makes you think that a nonentity like Hollande would be ‘in the loop’ on such a project?
Not to say Hollande is in the loop, but then why is he invoking Article 5 and a casus belli for a NATO invasion of Syria?
@Arkady. Agreed. The false flag scenario doesn’t seem very persuasive. The “Syrian passport” has already been rejected (by US intel, even!). This seems more like a real IS attack, and your analysis points to some of the interesting reasons why they chose France. The problem is of course that Hollande now says “c’est la guerre!” and things can only get worse. There is no way to secure France from these kinds of attacks, as the French police now openly admit.
As for us friends of the Saker only reading Western media and not the voice of real citizens, I think we’re here for the same reason as you: to hear intelligent perspectives from real people.
Please post more often :)
I left a comment hereabouts the other day about how the UK would only engage in Syria if there was a false flag attack. The following quotations are from a story entitled “”Paris attacks: Fresh calls to bomb Islamic State in Syria”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/islamic-state/11995744/Paris-attacks-Fresh-calls-to-bomb-Islamic-State-in-Syria.html
‘Another Conservative MP, Nadine Dorries, called on Mr Cameron to call a Commons vote on bombing in Syria as soon as possible.
“Monday (and no later) is the time to rerun that crucial vote on bombing IS territory in Syria,” she said.’
‘Andrew Bridgen, the Tory MP who led opposition to air strikes against the Assad regime in Syria in 2013, said there was now a clear case for acting against Isil in Syria.
“The horrors in Paris have changed the game. I would hope that MPs who were uneasy about military action in Syria will now think again.’
Just last week Cameron was finding it difficult to drum up much support for further UK involvement in Syria. Even his own party colleges were lukewarm to the idea. Now, with what has happened in Paris, which is not only timely, but convenient, in giving those who were wary the requisite justification to endorse deeper British involvement, UK parlimentarians via this False Flag Op. will be more inclined to support Air Strikes etc…..
It is now time for Russia to deploy the Big Guns, i.e. the S-400s and send a message to the Empire that Russia and it allies will NOT be backing down.
Syria must be a Red Line for Russia and its allies!!!!!!!
UN mandate ‘needed for Labour to back military action in Syria’
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/paris-massacre-shows-united-strong-response-war-syria-001117234.html#8DbWqox
Labour will only consent to extending military action into Syria if there is a UN mandate to do so, a close ally of Jeremy Corbyn has said.
Just like we here,MP’s in Britain are pretty tired of Washington/Nato spin.
How thoughtful of the ‘jihadist’ to take his passport with him, so that the authorities could find it easier to ‘identify’ him. Shades of 9/11, yet again! I’ve already heard a BBC ‘female’ with an American guest, trying their slimy hardest to use the atrocity to justify intervening in Syria.
Mulga, I fully expect ‘seditious’ literature on Assad letterhead along with a map giving directions to one of Putin’s Paris safe houses and assault rifle depositories will next be ‘found’ in his lodging.
Mulga: Duly carrying your passport on that final journey to Heaven is a touching sign of utmost sincerity and, yes, profound bourgeois respectability. After all, Western sponsorship comes with some fine moral strings attached.
As an aside, I just can’t resist the temptation to tell you all about a sweet little episode in the life of the terrible Swedish disinfo unit called the “Palme Commission”, allegedly “investigating” Palme’s murder. At a press conference, a journalist had the audacity to ask the strictly forbidden question about a Nazi cop who had been spotted in quite troubling circumstances (to put it mildly). One might have expected deafening silence, but instead the answer from the prosecutor was fast and blunt:
“Palme was shot with a Smith & Wesson .357 magnum, and this policeman had no such license”
This was several years before the onset of GWOT. It might have provided the latter with the sinister notion “the more legal, the more suspect”. Too bad for the jihadists, ha!
According to news reports,three of the terrorists came from Brussels(NATO Headquarters).Could it be there is some kind of link (at least in the recruitment by NATO of desperate muslims),some areas are 50 pct+ muslims in Brussels city.The police went just there in Molenbeek(borough with many muslims) tonight.
Don’t forget that Belgium was in the middle of a large scale gladio terror psy op(tueurs du brabant/killers from brabant)these guys were not acting about religious of course but about keeping Belgium out of any potential USSR takeover.But they acted like military,very pro,only killing people mainly at night in supermarkets(they did not even took the cash)…after more than 20 years,the Police never found any responsible….but it was during the full gladio period in Europe(in Italy also).They acted by waves…during a few years.
Reports are circulating that the passport was not Syrian… It was Egyptian. Nevertheless the saber-rattling has already begun in a nation that had the very first boots-on-the-ground (French Foreign Legion followed shortly by the UK’s SAS) in Libya to advise the LIFG, that later morphed into al-Nusra, ISIS BFFs.
Same thought, not to forget the upcoming G20 summit on… Terrorism.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Porkie seized his occasion too
Paris Attacks: The Matrix Extends Its Reach – Dr. Paul Craig Roberts
“Whether or not the Paris attacks were a false flag operation for the purpose of obtaining these results, these results are the consequences of the attacks. These results serve the interests of the European political establishment and Washington.”
For article/analysis, click here: http://thenewsdoctors.com/?p=541001
It is not in any other country because the link with France is already there: Qatar, Sarkozi, campaign funds, arms sales, Sarko gives Qatar stake in BAE (BriAeroSpace), Libya, Levi…! West-intel need not get directly involved. Just ask FSA or CQantarcts to arrange it as genuine, no West-intel interference. “And here’s a bit of money.”
BRICS are sleeping while the pack circles! Russia and Iran should insist on dividing the theaters: they deal with ISIS in Syria, while the West concentrates in Iraq to avoid ‘friendly’ fire!
After all these years of austerity, European voters were dissatisfied with right-wing, technocratic governments and were moving to the left – Syriza in Greece, Podemos in Spain. The flood of refugees and the terrorist attacks seem guaranteed to shift the voters back to right-wing, conservative parties.
NATO wants to “fight ISIS” to – in reality – support them even better than until now. GOAL: To remove Assad and to invade Iran. Then Russia/China are finally completely encircled.
Photo: We know who it was. He dropped a Passport!
https://scontent-frt3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/v/t1.0-9/12235021_10201323458964455_4101306139887251048_n.jpg?oh=f1637bdb257be0faad95ac3ce5528d18&oe=56AE4096
The Pope is correct for the first time: This *is* WW3
REMINDER:
General Wesley Clark explains ISIS was created by U.S. Allies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojcoKnTGf4s
Wesley Clark: “Our friends and allies funded ISIS to destroy Hezbollah”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHLqaSZPe98
Hillary Clinton : We created Al-Qaeda
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dqn0bm4E9yw
Hillary Clinton – We created ISIS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5ff0EOj2WU
Exposing the I.S.I.S Lie: How President Obama & Hillary Clinton Created I.S.I.S.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RU8-bgfR83Q
UNFASSBAR!!! US Hauptziel IST kRIEG in Europa
(UNBELIEVABLE!!! USA’s main goal is WAR IN EUROPE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xi7M_P2ldsQ
NATO wants to “fight ISIS” to – in reality – support them even better than until now.
GOAL: To remove Assad and to invade Iran. Then Russia/China are finally completely encircled.
A closer look at the Clingon Commander’s badges of honor & war medals
http://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/hillarymedals.jpg
http://hotspotoutdoors.com/forum/file/userpics/2015/03/full-1225-54202-hillary.jpg
LIAGRA – haha, had a laugh in those dark times, tnx
Let’s not forget how it all started and who started it: US-RAEL in 2001/2003:
Saddam Hussein
The best speech ever in court? Some say, yes!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCJ8JqtGahQ
Salam Brother Martin,
Finally, the world is ridden of Basturd Saddam Hussein, thanks to both Bush and Obama. Good riddance. He was The Great Servant of The Empire.
Dear brother, why so much sympathy for such a ruthless killer!
Best regards,
Mohamed.
Mohamed…you are truly lost. He was an expendable hit man for the people you are admiring and they didn’t just take out
Saddam did they. They demolished a country and it’s people and stole it’s treasure and destroyed sacred artifacts of human civilization in an illegal war using depleted uranium while rolling back civil rights at home.
RR
Thanks for the timely reminder, Martin! :-)
And… that’s why this is not a false-flag. Not by the actual definition of false-flag.
Traditionally, false-flags are carried out in order to blame an enemy, a real enemy. The West “enemies” are, in no particular order; Russia, China, Iran, Hezbollah, Assad, Venezuela, maybe Cuba, North Korea, Yemen (?), Palestine/Hamas, the BRICS in general… did I forget anybody?
Since ISIS has been created, trained and funded by the: “coalition of the dodgy opportunists,” (hence: they are effectively the Hegemon’s agents/assets) and ISIS is being officially blamed for the attacks – not Assad for example – this is not a false-flag per se.
This, and the previous attacks in Paris were both blamed on ISIS, therefore these attacks/operations should be called something other than a ‘false-flag.’
For lack of a better term. we keep calling these dodgy operations “False-Flags,” but me thinks; it’s about time ‘our side,’ comes-up with a better term to more accurately describe this; all-together different beast from an actual ‘false-flag.’
-TL2Q
Hi TooLegit2Quit, ok, that’s true.
Proposal: “Western Values Attack”
(not an attack against the West but “western values” attacking its own citizens)
Otherwise we could call that “western democracy funded by NED”
rgds.
“(not an attack against the West but “western values” attacking its own citizens)” + “Otherwise we could call that “western democracy funded by NED”
…I hear ya ;-)
Paris 1999 vs. Serbia 1999
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1695093724070851&set=a.1460455760867983.1073741829.100007107184532&type=3&theater
Here is are a few angles being offered
http://app.debka.com/n/article/25022/French-President-Hollande-was-top-target-in-multiple-terror-atrocity-in-Paris
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4725484,00.html
http://m.journal-neo.org/2015/11/02/can-pan-european-hysteria-save-natos-syrian-war/
http://www.moonofalabama.org/
http://m.journal-neo.org/2015/11/14/attack-in-france-state-sponsored-terror-but-which-state/
http://orientalreview.org/2015/11/14/1311-paris-massacre-pour-quel-profit/
http://fortruss.blogspot.com.au/2015/11/putin-to-pursue-sponsors-of-terrorism.html?m=1
And this
http://www.voltairenet.org/article189255.html
Sometimes it is a hard call to make with limited real time credible intelligence. Given the continuing collapse of the trans Atlantic region,that the economies of Europe not even able to support the numbers of innocent refugees fleeing Syria and other terrorist infected regions, and the very British system, represented by her majesty’s City of London and Wall Street financial sectors, being bankrupt and the dynamic behind the war drive, it is not hard to assume that the very oligarchical powers of Europe and the US are behind this self serving ” act of War”. It all stinks of the Empires use of terrorism in reaction to its decline and inevitable death. The Zeusians would rather destroy the human race than admit their empire is finished. Saner political and economic minds must prevail in the face of this latest unleashing of satanic acts of murder. Dump the British Empire and their stooges,including Nerobama.
It doesn’t matter if it is a false flag or not. Russia, Syria, Iran and Hezbollah must continue as if nothing happened. This tragedy benefits the us “coalition” trying to stall the destruction of their plan for the middle east. In the words of us special ops, “go, go go”.
What if: France intelligence Agency find out that Syrian citizen wants to commit suicide near the stadium and use it as a synchronized attacks but all other were done by setup and there were used people from their trained team. They did not show any attacker. We haven’t got a single photo with them. Where are those terrorist bodies? They found a paper passport not damaged ? They want this to be connected to Syria! Where are evidences? Where is investigation? Are there any? Who is managing it? There are no news about this, just rumors as always. This is all setup to start a 3rd world war!