The murder of Anatolii Klian
I just watched a sickening and immensely sad report on Russian TV about the death of the Anatolii Klian, a 68 old cameraman for Channel One: you can see this report here and you can also read the RT article about his death, including videos, here. Of course, this is only one death of one man, whereas the tragedy which is taking place before our eyes affects in one way or another millions of people. The problem with figures like “millions” is that they tend to conceal the tragedy of the individual suffering of each one of these “millions” of human being that we heard about. So today I want to dedicate this post to just this one person who was murdered only because he was living and working according to his conscience and whose life was snuffed-out by thugs who richly deserve to be called “Nazis” but who are presented to us as “Europeans” who have made the “civilizational choice” to abandon the realm of the Asian brutes living in the East and who now returned to their common home known has “civilized Europe”.
Со святыми упокой, Анатолий, и вечная память!
Балобан
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The current situation: a mixed bag
The news out of Novorussia is a mixed bag of reasons to hope and reasons to despair. The so-called “peace initiative” of Poroshenko is either an obscene mis-characterization or, at best, a not so funny joke: the Ukies are still shelling and sniping at civilians every day, and in Kiev a mass rally took place not to demand a real ceasefire, oh no, but to demand a full scale resumption of hostilities! As for the AngloZionists, not in the least impressed by Putin’s various attempts at appeasing their paranoid russophobia, they are again threatening Russia with more sanctions. On the other hand, there are plenty of signs that the Novorussian side is getting stronger with each passing day: entire units are switching sides without a single shot fired, Novorussian special forces have apparently succeeded in taking control of some very advanced air-defense missiles near Donetsk (though it is unclear to me if these systems are still operational or not), somebody has apparently “lost” at least three howitzers on the road (which were immediately taken over by the NDF) and the number of volunteer fighters ready to defend the Donbass is steadily growing each day. Where this is all going is too early to call: the Ukies have now used chemical munitions and there are consistent reports of huge columns of Ukie military convoys entering the Donbass. Though I personally hope that the Ukies have by now maxed out their war effort, this is far from being certain and there remains the very real possibility of Poroshenko’s “Plan B” happening next: the plan apparently, consists of a 3-pronged attack on the Donbass: from the northwest (Kharkov), the west (Dnepropetrovsk) and the south (Mariupol). Combined with an move to block the border in the east, such a “Plan B” would put all of Novorussia at a huge risk.
I confess to suffering from Analytical Multiple Personality Disorder
As you know, I suffer from AMPD – “analytical multiple personality disorder”: one one hand I simply cannot wait any longer for a Russian military intervention to finally stop the UkroNazi onslaught on Novorussia, while on the other hand I am fully aware that this would be a mistake. My gut tell me “crush these bastards!” while my brain tells me “don’t take the bait!”.
Yesterday evening, after listening to the latest news, I was walking around with my now usual knot in my stomach: a dozen of different “what ifs” were tormenting me from inside: what if Putin has been intimidated or bought off? What if he does not have a plan and what if the current Russian stance is only a reflection of a frightening and confused Russian leadership? Or what if Putin and his advisers have cynically decided to trade Novorussia for Crimea or, even worse, Novorussia for lucrative contracts?
Judging by some of the comments posted here, there are many of you who apparently believe that I am a Putin-groupie and that I never have doubts about him. If only you knew how wrong you are! I have doubts, and I even have fears, but I try not to let them overwhelm me because I don’t believe that these are helpful analytical tools. But to those of you who say that Putin is clueless or has sold out I will reply this: you have no more evidence of that than I have evidence of the contrary, and we will not know until this situation fully plays itself out.
So we are all stuck in the anguish of having to wait. To wait while innocent people are getting murdered, while the EU plutocracy is giving standing ovations to a clearly Nazi regime in Kiev and while Uncle Sam is making more threats against Russia every day. To anybody who truly and sincerely cares for the people of Novorussia is type of waiting is nothing short of a psychological torture. I can tell you that my last thought when I go to sleep and my very first thought when I wake up is:
How far can the Russians retreat?
Yesterday I suddenly realized that this is not the first time that this question is dividing the Russian society. During the European invasion of Russia under Napoleon (of the almost 700’000 soldiers which invaded Russia in 1812 only about half were French: the rest were from almost all the other European nations, mostly Germans and Poles) the very same issue divided Russian society. At the time both Field Marshal Barclay de Tolly and later Field Marshal Mihail Kutuzov were fiercely criticized for their policy of retreating before Napoleon’s armies. Unlike what happened during WWII where the Soviet retreat was not planned but forced by a stunningly successful German attack, the Russian retreat in the War of 1812 was completely deliberate and, I would argue, logical. Things got so ugly that Barclay de Tolly (who was an ethnic Scotsman) was accused of being a coward and a secret agent for Napoleon. When the “ethnically correct” Russian Kutuzov (who had served with distinction under the most famous Russian general of all times, Alexander Suvorov, and whose patriotism and courage could not be put in doubt) was appointed to replace Barclay de Tolly, he decided to follow exactly the same strategy. In fact, Kutuzov ordered the Russian army to retreat as far as the small town of Borodino, roughly 120km west Moscow, before engaging the armies of Napoleon in a huge battle. The outcome of the battle was arguably a mutual bloodbath and a draw (I would call it a tactical victory for the French and an operational-strategic victory for the Russians), Kutuzov further pulled back his forces and gave up Moscow without firing a single shot! Pushed by his hubris and ego, Napoleon took the bait and entered Moscow waiting for the Russian side to hand him the keys of the city. The Russians never showed up and, after waiting (and using the Kremlin’s churches as stables for his horses!), the “Grande Armée” began a hideous retreat. From the 690,000 men that comprised the initial invasion force, only 93,000 survived (barely, at the Berezina the European army was almost surrounded!) By March of 1814 the Russian army was camping in Paris and Talleyrant had to give the keys of Paris to the Russian Czar Alexander I.
There was more to this Russian strategy of retreat than just the desire to literally “trade space for lives” or the desire to place more stress on the enemy’s supply lines. The Russians had painfully learned this strategy from the Mongols who often retreated before the advancing Russian forces before destroying them (typically by setting the steppe on fire and by a envelopment maneuver). In warfare, as in chess, timing is an absolutely crucial factor which cannot be ignored.
But coming back to Barclay the Tolly and Kutuzov, can we now even begin to imagine the kind of anguish they must have faced? Being called traitors, foreign agents, cowards by the entire court (safely removed from any personal risk in Saint Petersburg) and probably by most of Russian society? I don’t think that anybody can imagine the kind of pressure to change strategy Alexander I, Barclay the Tolly and Kutuzov must have faced, especially after the surrender of Moscow. And yet, time has fully vindicated them and their superb strategic instincts. Though this is impossible to prove, the consensus if military historians us that had the Russian army given Napoleon his first real battle somewhere West of Smolensk it would have been smashed and ended up retreating just the same, but this time in complete chaos and very few survivors.
So the correct answer to the question above is: Russia can retreat as far as needed to win.
Objection: Putin is no Alexander I
Agreed. Neither are Poroshenko or Obama Napoleon, not by a long shot. But then neither is the current war on Russia (because that is exactly what it taking place) a 19th century kind of war. It is a 21st century war, WWIV (if WWIII was the so-called “Cold War”).
If the Russians have learned from their multiple military defeats at the hands of the Mongols, then the West Europeans have learned from their multiple military defeats at the hands of the Russians.
Over and over again have western invaders attacked Russia and over and over again they have failed to prevail, at least in a military sense. But these western military defeats overshadow an equally long list successful cultural and religious interventions.
First, the Papacy was successful in converting (by force and corruption) Lithuanians and West-Russians (the future Ukrainians). Then, for a while, the Mongol occupation of Russia provided a kind of painful but effective shield against western crusaders, but at the end of the Mongol occupation, and following the brilliant reign of Ivan III (one of the best Russian rulers ever), then Vasilii III and Ivan IV (aka “The Terrible”) the Russian state rapidly degenerated into a period of chaos called the Troubled Times. Here again, the West attempted to invade Russia and the Poles even place one of their agents, the so-called False Dimitri, on the throne of Russia while, in a typical act of Latin hatred for the Orthodox Church, beating starving to death the Russian Patriarch Saint Germogenes (some things never change). Eventually, the Poles and their Jesuit masters were kicked out and eventually a Zemskii Sobor the young son of the metropolitan Philaret, Michael Romanov, as Czar of Russia. While externally peace had returned to Russia, internally powerful pro-western forces were gradually becoming stronger, especially in the Russian elites. Their time came when Peter I (aka “The Great”) came to power in 1682. Though I don’t want to turn this into a detailed historical analysis, I would argue that the Russian people and culture have essentially been more or less successfully suppressed from Peter I to Vladimir Putin. While some of Russia’s rulers tried hard to restore and uphold the Russian culture and Orthodox Christianity (especially Alexander III and Saint Nicholas II), the Russian aristocracy – which was largely composed of Free-Masons – systematically viciously opposed such efforts. The mechanism we see today in Russia – the ruler supported by the people struggles against the elites supported by the West – is nothing new, it has been going on for several centuries.
Furthermore, what is the very existence of a so-called “Ukraine” (without the “the” article placed before it) if not a huge strategic success of the West European elites? Think of it – in 1812 there was no “Ukrainian collaborators welcoming the French even though the latter had promised to “free” the Russians peasants. Just one century later not only did the many Ukrainians welcome the Germans will flowers (which, considering what the Soviet Commissars had done to them, I fully understand), but many sincerely considered themselves as a distinct ethnicity with nothing positive in common with the Russian people. How is that not a remarkable success of western elites?
As for the Soviet period, I personally consider that all the Soviet rulers from Lenin to Gorbachev were russophobes who, each in their own way, at best, had little in common with the Russian culture and people (Gorbachev), at worst, had a genocidal hatred for the Russian people (Lenin and Trotsky). Still, during the Second World War and after, the Russian culture and national awareness slowly began to re-emerge, even during the rule of such degenerate scumbags like Khrushchev or Eltsin. As I have written in the past, I believe that Vladimir Putin came to power pushed by such “national” forces inside the KGB, albeit with a oligarchy-backed Medvedev to keep him in check. The point of all this is to remind everybody of an crucial and overlooked fact: the West has had a more or less firm grip on the “neck of Russian authorities” since at least from 1682 to 2000 – three hundred and eighteen years! As for Putin, he was formally appointed in 1999 and elected in 2000, but his period of more or less full control of Russia only began in 2012, only two years ago (I have written about this especially here but also here and here) and in these two years his systematic opposition to the AngloZionist Empire has earned him the passionate hatred of the western plutocracy which he apparently “disappointed“. Those who so casually accuse Putin of being a coward, a NWO agent, of selling out or of being outmaneuvered should at the very least familiarize themselves with the basic elements of Russian history and compare what Putin did in two years to what has been taking place for the past 300 centuries.
Still, I have to agree that even though Putin’s record is nothing short of stellar, at least so far, the the big unanswered question remains:
What will Putin now do next?
My honest reply is simple: I don’t know. I really don’t know. I have already candidly shared my worst fears with you and I have also repeated many times that I don’t see sufficient reasons to doubt that Putin will eventually take action when he decides that the right moment has come. Does that mean that I trust him? No. But it does mean that I don’t have cause to lose hope in him either.
For those who constantly berate Putin for not doing enough (or even not doing anything), I would say that there is also no reasons to assume that the junta in Kiev has the means to crush the Novorussian resistance. If so, then let me immediately add this: it would be far preferable for Novorussia, Russia and even Europe if Novorussia succeeded in fighting off the Nazi death squads without overt Russian help than with. As for an overt Russian military intervention, this would objectively be an extremely undesirable outcome for everybody except Uncle Sam and his puppets at the EU. It might come to that, I often suspect it probably will, but this would be a forced outcome, one whose initiation would already constitute a victory for the AngloZionists regardless of the actual outcome of the Russian military operation (which no halfway informed person could possibly doubt).
In the June 24th SITREP I wrote:
Again, we have a situation in which Poroshenko or, should I say, Poroshenko’s puppeteers in Washington, are absolutely determined to achieve either one of the following goals:
1) To extend Banderastan all the way to the Russian border
2) To force Russia to openly intervene militarily in the Donbass
This is a winning strategy because Kiev has the means to achieve at least one of these goals and Putin does not have a third option. The Kremlin’s preferred solution – to have Novorossia successfully resist the Ukie aggression – does not seem to be achievable, at least not if the Kremlin does not take dramatic action to change the dynamic on the ground.
This begs the question of how much is “dramatic”? I would argue that any action which allows Novorussia to successfully resist the Ukie aggression is, by that definition, a “dramatic enough” action. What would this action be composed of?
1) Covert military and technical aid to the Novorussian resistance.
2) Political denunciation of the junta’s atrocities and provocations.
3) A constant attempt at putting a political and financial wedge between the EU and the US.
4) A constant preparation of the Russian public opinion for a possible use of the Russian armed forces to “save Novorussia”.
5) A uninterrupted struggle to replace as many “Atlantic Integrationists” with as many “Eurasian Sovereignists” (for a definition, see the links above) in key positions in the Kremlin.
As of now, I have all the reasons to believe that this is exactly what is taking place. I don’t know about tomorrow, much less so about what will happen in a week, month or year. But as of now – this is what I see and this is why I say that as of now it is too early to accuse Putin of anything else than prudence and sound planning.
Now I will readily admit that this strategy, while possibly “dramatic enough” in purely rational terms, is not dramatic enough for my heart. I have visions of Right Sector death squads suddenly coming face-to-face with Polite Armed Men in Green, visions of a pair MiG-31 shutting down the entire airspace over Novorossia while Russian Su-34 are bombing the shit (pardon my French) out of the Ukie artillery positions, I have visions of a group of Vympel operators yanking Liashko or Kolomoiski out of bed and taking them to Kolyma via Moscow, just has I have visions of the French people overthrowing the Zionist plutocracy in power and replacing it by a truly French committee national salvation. I even have visions of true American people finally giving the boot to the truly satanic 1%ers who are occupying the US and visions of the US becoming a “normal” country. And that is all well and dandy for the “nobody blogger” which I am, but that is not a luxury that a head of state like Putin can afford.
In conclusion I will say that nobody will be more ashamed and mortified than me if it turns out that Putin’s Russia will abandon her people in Novorussia to the US/EU backed Nazi invaders and their death squads. If that happens, there will be no need to gloat and tell me “we told you so” because if you tell me so now, it would only be for all the wrong reasons. Yes, such a betrayal is possible, but no, emphatically no, there is no basis as of now to conclude that such a betrayal has already happened or is in the making.
Every morning I wake up with the fear that “it” might have happened mixed with the hope that the much awaited Russian “push back” has finally begun. So far, neither has happened and, yes, Russia is retreating. And only God knows for how long or how far.
The Saker
Eduard Limonov (a left-leaning Russian writer who lived in exile in the West and returned to Russia after 1991) has made some interesting comments in this interview with the Spanish daily El Pais.
http://internacional.elpais.com/internacional/2014/06/29/actualidad/1404072392_509058.html
Among many other things he says that:
1. After the breakup of the Soviet Union, Kiev should have in fairness returned what clearly did not belong to them: the historical Russian lands in south eastern Ukraine in 1991.
2. Crimea was a surprise even for the Kremlin. What happened there was only the result of Crimeans being very alert and well organized, and making their move quickly when they saw their opportunity. He even says that Putin didn’t really want any of this, but was “cornered” and had no other option.
3. Eastern Ukraine — the revolt that has emerged over there — may well be the biggest hope for future real freedom in Russia. His party wants to nationalize the fortunes of the oligarcs and kick them out of the country.
I often wonder myself to what extent the uprising in the Donbas is a threat to the status quo in Russia itself.
Saker concludes Every morning I wake up with the fear that “it” might have happened mixed with the hope that the much awaited Russian “push back” has finally begun. So far, neither has happened
I agree almost completely with your current read on Russia’s actions except for your statement that “push back” has not yet happened. The current resistance in Donbas to the Uki army is just too well organized and the fighters are too highyl trained and supplied to be some spontaneous people’s uprising. I have no need to know how much direct support they getting from the Russians across the border but it has to be a lot.
The most difficult part of their strategy is that they are preventing the Kiev forces from defeating the resistance but not providing sufficient to protect the civilian population. Should civilian casualties go from the current 100’s into the thousands or tens of thousands then Putin may be forced to respond overtly.
So is there really evidence that Russia was dominated by Freemasons or is there no evidence to back that up?
Also how was Lenin ‘genocidal’? Im really WTFing here.
Dearest Brother Saker,
Take your eyes off for a few days from your own backyard (Ukraine) and look around the neighborhood for a while. I know it will be really, really hard.
See what is happening in Israel, Palestine, Egypt, Syria, Turkey, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Iran, Russia and USA.
Don’t take the Government of Obama as idiots. If you do, this is the biggest error one can make.
Crimea is already in Russia’s hands, without Russia has to rent it from Ukraine anymore. The rest of the Ukraine will be ruled as per Putin’s wishes and desires.
Have faith and hope, in the Source of Giver of these both.
Best regards,
Mohamed.
I think this is a fair analysis:
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/opinion/article/putins-ukraine-gambit-paying-off/502686.html
Saker — My 2cents. This from an increasingly jaded American perspective. Don’t try to second-guess Putin. Focus on events as they unfold. Based on my gut and what I’ve seen thus far — Putin has the best interests of Russian peoples at heart — and is predisposed toward protecting Russians in East Ukraine. He is not likely to do anything which jeopardizes Russia. That includes overt military attack. Strelkov (and others perhaps) are in East Ukraine likely at Putin’s behest. Like the French Resistance. Supported — but on their on.
The real fight — the change-agent — is public consciousness. That’s where you and those of us on this site are vital. We change the consciousness of events from subterfuge to truth. I don’t have the temerity to tell Putin what he should or shouldn’t do in these ever-changing situations. But I do have the right to know and understand and communicate TRUTH and to judge accordingly — particularly when my own government has innocent blood on its hands. To judge is to divide. Which side do you wish to carry? I choose TRUTH. Every. Time.
Like the fearful servant, I feel weary and sad and afraid there are few of us and many of them. Then I remember that we are the “chariots of fire” blinding the enemy of TRUTH. There are more of us than there are of them.
Every day I learn to not place faith in human hands. Each day honest, thinking people are waking up. That’s a worthy goal for mankind.
Think about those SU-25’s in Iraq.
Putin is a man who knows how to do things.
In my opinion, what is going on in Ukraine is according, down to the last iota, to his plan.
Why did Poroshenko sign the “agreement” with the EU in the midst of a civil war? A sign of strength? Why does he continually call for a ceasefire? Why have Putin, Hollande, Merkel, and Poroshenko been on the phone together?
“The Russians had painfully learned this strategy from the Mongols who often retreated before the advancing Russian forces before destroying them (typically by setting the steppe on fire and by a envelopment maneuver”
You referring to Subutai and his invasion of Rus. Killed off nearly the entire nobility then. I read somewhere that his invasion so affected Russia that most Russian art, folk tales and music took a somber quality ever after. And that the Mongols extracted tribute for 700 years.
My mother’s side is Changezi. They trace lineage back to Oltaiju-Hulegu-Ghenghes Khan.
You had written a reply to somebody when they had mentioned Israel’s destruction of Syrian forces in the Yom Kippur war and how Russia did not help. Your reply then was something like “help how send troops and start World War Three.” Putin will pull through in the end. He’s the mature one, he’s playing it right. Talking about peace with the chocolate king and arming the resistance. The EU/NATO says jump, he gives lip service, “how high?” And continues the same as before.
Mindfriedo
@ Slow Moe
Lenin, just like his hero Marx, hated Russia and the Russian people. I believe, Lenin was worse than Stalin, and Stalin would’ve never happened if not Lenin’s efforts, whose passion for killing was legendary. HI killed 4 million people – men, women and children. He is one of the most notorious murderers of the 20th century. Once, when given a list of 5,000 names he placed a check mark on it and all 5,000 were promptly executed. When asked about it later he said the check mark was just to show he had seen the list, not that they were to be executed. No big loss, anyway. In his very shot rule he spilled rivers of blood.
Hello Saker,
The Ukies are giving Putin a opportunity to strike a blow for Novarussia. The next time Russia proper is hit with artillery. Retaliate against a Nazi target. One fast and deadly attack. Look what the west does if somebody looks cross eyed at them. What will happen when Putin does this.
Doug
US shutting down one pipeline at a time.
Europe too dumbed down and media anaethatized to stand up for itself as it’s gas supplies and industries are threated by the indispensable nation.
Next victim Bulgaria..
Putin sees the big picture,
Putin and his advisers see the big picture. We dont and it’ s maddening!
ZeroHedge.
Russia Reveals “Plan B”: Gazprom Says Gas Transit Via Ukraine May Be Stopped Completely
Submitted by Tyler Durden on 06/30/2014 – 10:25
A few days ago, when we wrote our “explainer” on the need for Russia to have an alternative pathway for its gas, one which bypasses Ukraine entirely and as the current “South Stream” framework is set up, crosses the Black Sea and enters Bulgaria before passing Serbia and Hungary on the way to the Central European energy hub located in Baumgarten, Austria, we said that “one short month after Putin concluded the Holy Grail deal with Beijing, he not only managed to formalize his conquest of Europe’s energy needs with yet another pipeline, one which completely bypasses Ukraine for numerous reasons but mostly one: call it a Plan B.” Today we find just what said Plan B is. As Itar-Tass reports, citing Gazprom CEO Alexei Miller, “Russia’s gas giant Gazprom does not rule out gas transit via Ukraine may be stopped completely.”
Saker,
I disagree with your summation point that Russia is retreating. There is no retreat in Putin. He is in the dojo, master of the mat, waiting to toss the opponent with leverage and timing.
He is no Bruce Lee using Jeet Kune Do. He does not attack. He uses judo. And there are substantial reasons he has to wait to win.
Also, Putin is in this to win for Russia, and for Russians in other lands. This Novorossiya was inspired by his pronouncements. He has spoken to the world several times about the pain he feels, the injustices served up hard to Russians after the fall of USSR.
Military events in recent days tells me that Strelkov is not the only military leader on the ground in Novorossiya. There are many Colonels in Donbass and they have the militias doing things that Trelkov could not possibly do from inside a surrounded Slavyansk. (Planning ahead enables Putin to accomplish these little miracles we hear about each day.)
Putin is not reacting. He is using the events and the facts on the ground. Of course he has a plan. This man has many plans, and all are in full motion.
Doubting Putin is like a Russian blood sport. From an American point of view, with no Russian blood in my veins, no Orthodox dogma, no ideological requirements, I see him as extraordinary in skills intellect and humanity. Considering the miasma of lies and calumnies I’ve been fed about him, and to wade through six months of crossfire BS, I see a great man who has redefined a great Russian culture and nation for the world to see and appreciate. Sochi anyone? Huge success. Was supposed to be an abject disaster. And the Russian athletes were so inspired they triumphed.
Perhaps a thousand or two more will die or be wounded or gassed. But Putin will strike. And then the West will accept another enormous setback to their geo-machinations.
Expect Chinese PLA Navy to cruise into the Black Sea some time in the coming months.
China has announced Maliki must stay in Iraq. Sounds like they are “with” Putin on that one.
A Chinese ship can get to the Black Sea from its anti-piracy work in the Arabian Sea in short order.
Maybe you are looking at the blood on the ground too closely to see the big game board. Obama taunted Putin with that “regional power” slap. Putin is playing SuperPower. He and China are slicing and dicing the dollar. He is prying apart the EU with gas and South Stream. He has military technologies and electronic weapons that blunt NATO’s confidence in their weapon systems.
And lastly, Putin has God and hundreds of millions of religion believers thinking that that the satanic powers ruling the earth are temporary.
Putin will kick ass. They are in his dojo.
@ AGS 30 June, 2014 20:30
I’m sorry guy but I’ve read typical American platitudes.
1. You expect, guess everything from the day you were born.
2. “To judge is to divide.” Dichotomies are what gave you ability to learn. You always judge, everything, like in point 1. Your brain gets out of any mess by judging.
3. How do you want to get to the Truth without judging?
4. Instead of – we the “chariots of fire” blinding the enemy of TRUTH” make them open their eyes WITH the Truth. But you must find it first.
Relax Saker. There is a lot in play here and a lot happening ‘under the water’.
But don’t forget Putin actually wants to avoid WW3, unlike the west.
Somehow he has to navigate the short term extreme threats while the medium/long term strategies come into play.
Difficult act to play and don’t forget that I posted ages ago that things have to get far worse in eastern Ukraine first. This is a critical (and cold) part of the moral/political strategy.
For example, parts of the western media is starting to crack now, there is only so long they can ignore atrocities on their doorstep. The economic elites (even in the US) are starting to mobilise. Polls shows that signficant majorities in many EU countries are against NATO and its actions.
Against that US/NATO policy elites want a confrontation. They want the end of gas (etc) sales from Russia to the EU, they want NATO troops right on the Russian border, they want Crimea back and it as an USN naval base.
If you look at how they act and have acted in Iraq, Afghanistan/Syria/etc (and prior to that South America) you can see their operational methodology quite clearly.
Death squads are SOP for them, ‘false flags’ are SOP and so on.
These are the most ruthless people in the world and if to get what they want requires NATO drone strikes, air strikes, trained nazi death squads, ethnic cleansing, even death camps then they will do it, make no mistake about it.
I imagine that many of the nazi militias are now under direct US control and the Keiv puppets have little influence over them.
But they have to go further than where they are now to justify a counter attack. They have to be shown to be total mudering pigs.
More importantly, because who cares about some women and childern dying after all, the EU business elites have to realise they are now facing economic extinction if they stay with the US ‘strategy’.
So long way to go yet and a lot of blood to shed first. This is a long game and a very risky one, US/NATO are willingly risking nuclear war right now.
This is the most dangerous time the world has faced since ’62 and ’83.
Do not worry. This summer the entropy (God) will do its job and in the autumn the West will collapse (Orlov teaches)
Don’t give up on the president of Russia.
Five hundred years ago Sweden-Finland got a new King. His name was Gustaf Wasa. In his time the country was ruled from Copenhagen and foreign mercenaries collected taxes [and violated women]. We paid taxes to Rome and Copenhagen. The situation was awful.
Gustaf made a pact with the capitalist power of the day, the German Hansa, in order to kick out the Danish King. When his country was safe, he kicked out the Hansa. We stopped feeding Rome, Copenhagen and the capitalists of that time. Gustaf gave us a long, long, period of peace and prosperity. Especially peace with Russia. Only one hundred years later, this poor, cold and winterdark country, where farming is difficult, this old Danish colony, became a great power. I call that a miracle.
Vladimir Vladimirovich also works for his country. He is a patriot and he wants his country to come back as a great power. Look at his achievements since 1999! He must consider many different goals. He carries Novorossiya in his heart, but he must also fight a dangerous capitalist worldpower. The US military-industrial complex and the strange people in Brussels. He is provoked where it hurts the most, in Ukraine [Little Russia, the country on the brink, “krai”], but he has many other issues to consider. There were no nuclear weapons in the time of Gustaf Wasa, but there is now.
Don’t lose faith in Putin. I put my faith in him. He is a man of principle and as such he has some Heavenly support. His opponents have not.
In the North, we are brothers. Never forget it. The continent has never been on our side.
Regarding your: “As for the Soviet period, I personally consider that all the Soviet rulers from Lenin to Gorbachev were russophobes who, each in their own way, at best, had little in common with the Russian culture and people (Gorbachev), at worst, had a genocidal hatred for the Russian people (Lenin and Trotsky). Still, during the Second World War and after, the Russian culture and national awareness slowly began to re-emerge, even during the rule of such degenerate scumbags like Khrushchev or Eltsin .”
There is one Soviet ruler you omit, the elephant or 800-pound gorilla in the room, almost too big to see, who objectively may not have been a Russophobe, although himself not Russian. He may indeed, by “Socialism in One Country”, the five-year plans paid for by collectivization, have saved Russia from certain destruction, although at fearful cost. So perhaps he was objectively a Russophile “malgré lui”. We are too close to see. Maybe 100 years are needed. My first memories of him, as a small boy in in WW2, were of good old Uncle Joe, as he was portrayed then, leading the brave Russians resisting the Nazi hordes in the East.
I’m surprised that The precedent of Bosnia is not being more invoked. Everyone knows the history. I submit this is the same situation . The US and the NATO axis quickly rallied to the Bosnian cause, and escalated intervention as far and as long as they needed to. What makes the people of Eastern Ukraine politically, any different than Bosnians? I know Russia did not like the separatist argument but in the “court of world events” to use an American phrase, that position lost. Why defend it now to Russia’s disadvantage. Press the Americans and the UN with their own arguments. In retrospect, perhaps Crimea should have become and “Independent” Republic, fully recognized and invested by the RF. They could have been performing a similar role Croatia did for the US in that older conflict.
ChocoPres cancels Ceasefire. Orders his PLan B attack.
The West will watch the armor assault on Slavyansk and other towns.
The timetable is changing.
Kiev is getting closer to the Bear.
The Bear is calm, yet very angered.
This night in Ukraine move elite troops. Some think they may be sent from the Bear’s lair.
Jets with bombs are sitting on runways nearby.
Gunship helos are near the border. Missiles and armor piercing ammo ready for blue and yellow targets.
The West has capitulated to lose Kiev but gain some sort of sanctions on the Bear.
When morning has broken, there will be a new morning. Kiev will never recover from this strategic mistake.
Pray for safety for the civilians caught in this insanity.
Putin is doing well. He has to give precedence to the strategic political and economic needs of Russia as a whole.
Hence the gas deals and the updating of Russia’s forces and the move away from trading in dollars and the diplomacy to gain friends.
Eastern Ukraine is of lesser importance. Its more a matter of sentiment than a vital interest. He can’t let the deaths of a few thousand people there put hundreds of millions of others at risk.
In a few years the US and EU are likely to be relatively weaker in relation to Russia and Ukraine will be a failed state like Somalia. Then he will have more freedom to intervene, subtly or openly.
He did warn the eastern Ukrainians not to rush things. They thought they knew better. Now they have to prove that they can stand up for themselves.They should stop blaming Putin and be more grateful for what assistance he is able to give them.
@ anonymous @ 21:01
You’ve ingested too many too john birch society conversations and pamphlets. The man asked “how was Lenin “genocidal” and you respond with the most mouldy kind blood curdling Okhrana propaganda tales from way back old days. Executed 5000 people ? From a list ? Ok Il take your word for it (but I’d rather have a citation)..How many did Deniken murder ? How many were murdered by the Okhrana? It was the whites warlords who were taking the money and the weapons from the US and Britain. Who welcomed foreign invaders with guns, to Russia. Your not talking to the completely ignorant here.
Thank you Saker for another excellent analysis and most informative history lesson.
Though I understand your apprehension and concern over the death & destruction taking place the bigger picture, as you have stated, is always paramount.
I have faith that Mr. Putin is receiving the ‘BEST’ advice
possible and will move in IF and when appropriate. As you know &
have stated Russians react slowly and then ride fast…. : )
The newly-elected president said that the decision to unilaterally end the ceasefire was taken after his meeting with Ukraine’s National Security and Defense Council. Poroshenko told Ukrainians that “peace” is the end game, but the “tools” of achieving it have changed.
“Protection of Ukraine’s territorial integrity, security and lives of civilians requires not only defensive, but offensive action against terrorists-militants. Armed Forces, the National Guard, the State Border Service, the Security Service received appropriate orders,” Poroshenko said, adding that they “are no longer limited to the ceasefire.”
Ukraine president terminates ceasefire – RT News
B.
I hope that our countries can wake from the 1% Crime Cabal empires clutch, so FUKUS and NATO states can regain sovereignty.
The evil this Zionazi cabal has perpetrated around the globe needs to end, along with the Fed Res and the MSM/Banking/Political tribe.
A real revolution of the people! not some spun CIA corporate ‘spring’
Thank you Saker for the amazing effort and work you do! Kudos!
Anon Mongoose
Saker, In your Post you asked:
”Still, I have to agree that even though Putin’s record is nothing short of stellar, at least so far, the the big unanswered question remains:
What will Putin now do next?”
Really, do you think Novorussia is not being helped? Strange events are unfolding –Syria, Iraq, and Iran will not be abandoned neither will Novorussia.
I am not a military analyst. Ukraine is in civil war. Death squads are atrocities. BUT the Ukraine economy will be the “determinator” as July is the critical month. Not just for Ukraine but Anglo-Zionist Empire. Circle July.
In your latest post was the limerick. The new President residing in Kiev (the Ukraine being fragmented) is having a migraine. Pity poor-Osenko,, his head is about to explode. Look at developments:
Can’t pay the gas bill so – Gazprom has a Plan B
Ukraine will end up with empty pipelines, no juice flows through them. Will be sold as scrap metal, cents on the $ as Austria and Italy defies Brussels.
Take a look at the plan
ITAR-TASS (h/t Zerohedge)
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-06-30/russia-reveals-plan-b-gazprom-says-gas-transit-ukraine-may-be-stopped-completely
Gazprom says gas transit via Ukraine may be stopped completely
“A few days ago, when we wrote our “explainer” on the need for Russia to have an alternative pathway for its gas, one which bypasses Ukraine entirely and as the current “South Stream” framework is set up, crosses the Black Sea and enters Bulgaria before passing Serbia and Hungary on the way to the Central European energy hub located in Baumgarten, Austria, we said that “one short month after Putin concluded the Holy Grail deal with Beijing, he not only managed to formalize his conquest of Europe’s energy needs with yet another pipeline, one which completely bypasses Ukraine (for numerous reasons but mostly one: call it a Plan B), but scored a massive political victory by creating a fissure in the heart of the Eurozone, after Austria openly defied its European peers and sided with Putin.”
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Today we find just what said Plan B is.
As Itar-Tass reports, citing Gazprom CEO Alexei Miller, “Russia’s gas giant Gazprom does not rule out gas transit via Ukraine may be stopped completely.”
”What happened once is a tendency, nothing happens incidentally. In 2009, gas supplies were stopped completely — so, we know precedents,” Miller told a briefing on Friday.
Clearly, this is bad news for Ukraine: Gazprom not interested in participation in Ukraine’s gas transportation system (GTS), “train has departed”, CEO said.
Serbia’s South Stream section will be built on schedule
http://en.itar-tass.com/economy/738361
Italy promises to facilitate South Stream project implementation
http://en.itar-tass.com/economy/738370
June 30, 17:49 UTC+4
“Italy has always regarded the South Stream project plans to pipe Russian gas across the floor of the Black Sea to Bulgaria and then ashore for onward transit to Greece, Italy and Austria as a strategic project for Europe and will facilitate its implementation during its presidency of the European Union, Italy’s state secretary for European affairs, Sandro Gozi, said in an exclusive interview with ITAR-TASS on Monday. “The South Stream project has always been and remains most important for Italy, and we have a strong interest in implementing it, first of all, as it is one of those projects aimed to diversify transit routes,” Gozi said.”
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As to the comments….
Larchmonter445 said…
Saker,
I disagree with your summation point that Russia is retreating. There is no retreat in Putin. He is in the dojo, master of the mat, waiting to toss the opponent with leverage and timing. ….etc
Beautifully stated brother..
Dear Saker – I’m in complete sympathy.
A couple of developments – Porky has ended the ceasefire with an appeal to “the good citizens of Donbass” to resist the militia with civil disobedience and a pledge to not harm women and children in the coming punitive action in the east. (looks like he got the message from Maidan).
ZH has posted a piece on a banking crisis in Bulgaria brought on by people with malicious intent according to the government. The EU has provided a several billion euro backstop to ‘stabilize the situation’ and the author speculates that there may be south stream related strings attached and that perhaps the crisis was manufactured just for this reason.
A comment about the cameraman Anatolii.
I began my career as a filmmaker with a camera in my hands and visions of making great documentaries. I was inspired by photographers like Robert Capra and Larry Burrows, both of whom were killed in wars, and a great film cameraman Neil Davis who survived Vietnam, but lost his life in Thailand. Davis was extraordinary. Gave us every great moment in the Vietnam War.
The burning little girl running naked down the highway, the Viet Cong shot in the head by the Police Chief of Saigon, the tanks of the North crashing through the gates of the US Embassy. Those were all Neil Davis. And much, much more.
My hero was Ted Yates, NBC producer, killed in the ’67 Israeli war. He had done many wonderful documentaries when NBC had integrity.
It takes special people to go to battlefields and war zones and bring back or send back the truth. Often, they die doing this noble task.
Anatolii spent 40 years doing this and gave his life telling us the story of mothers striving to save their sons from the death machine of the East Ukraine.
We can see him live, work and die, all in one sequence. But he was a great human who cared about others, worked peacefully to record the unvarnished truth, filming a permanent record.
Father and grandfather and hero of Russia and humanity. It was so terribly sad to see him ebb away in front of our eyes, a young co-worker begging him to stay awake, to keep his eyes open.
Those eyes were closed forever by a sniper’s bullet.
Remember him. It takes rare courage to go to war with only a camera.
ABC offered me an Eclair camera to film in Vietnam. I told them I wouldn’t go with an M-16 and passed. I wasn’t man enough or insane or whatever it takes. But only special people go. Few return. But their work is sacred. Of that I am certain.
Saker,
“Though I don’t want to turn this into a detailed historical analysis, I would argue that the Russian people and culture have essentially been more or less successfully suppressed from Peter I to Vladimir Putin.”
Your account of this history is fascinating and I’d like to hear more of it. I’d always wondered about the French-ification of the Russian aristocracy and I’m also quite curious about your take on Freemasonry and France. Every time I try to really dig into it, I find realms and realms of badly-sourced, waaay-out conspiracy stuff, but what I’m looking for is facts and I figure you’ve got some, sir!
” How is that not a remarkable success of western elites?”
As I understand it, Western Ukraine was basically under Polish rule for six hundred years or so but came under Austrian (then Austro-Hungarian) rule when Poland was partitioned out of existence. And it was under the Hapsburgs (I am guessing with the help of the Church in Rome) that efforts were made to pry the residents away from whatever Russian identity they may have had. So they became Rusyns, Ruthenians, Ukrainians, lots of different groups and loyalties — all anti-Russian though, which was the point — and didn’t really coalesce into being Ukrainians until really the end of the nineteenth century/start of the twentieth. So yeah, nation-building I guess you could call it, but engendered *right from the start* by a deliberately-inculcated hatred of Russia. The efforts by various Great Powers (including UK and US support for Bandera, Shukevitch et. al.) throughout the twentieth century just watered and fertilized the toxic material already seeded and sprouted quite deliberately by Austria.
And finally, this waiting and watching, with daily updates, while people are being ethnically-cleansed, right in front of our eyes sometimes, is a special kind of hell. I won’t say so in this case but there are many times when being in the thick of it is easier somehow than watching and worrying from afar, because you’re focused on the immediate, what’s-t he-best-thing-to-do-right-now-and-how-do-I-do it, rather than taking a longer view and dwelling on all the horrors involved. You just do — take in what you need to and then do what you must — and consider yourself lucky if you’re able to reflect on it later. But here we are, in safety and (at least relative) security — and except for donating to Auslander to help those women and children, and trying to covince friends, family, neighbors, co-workers to *maybe please pay attention to something other than yourselves, and no, the MSM isn’t worth the time spent watching it*, there’s nothing we CAN do to change any of this, get it to stop. So we all sit back, agonize and feel utterly helpless. Because we are. Please don’t get me wrong here — I’m hardly wallowing in self-pity, but I am overwhelmed by helplessness and, well, call it survivor guilt: how do you watch people suffering when you can’t do a damned thing about it, and not feel that? Vladimir Putin has literally got the weight of the world on his shoulders, but his first priority is as it should be: Russia. Not Ukraine. (God it’s hard to type that.)
Theodore Svedberg wrote:
“The current resistance in Donbas to the Uki army is just too well organized and the fighters are too highyl trained and supplied to be some spontaneous people’s uprising. I have no need to know how much direct support they getting from the Russians across the border but it has to be a lot.”
If this is so, hen why would Putin agree to have OSCE observers monitor the Ukraine-Russian border? If “a lot” of covert military assistance was making it through, wouldn’t the observers see that? I think it is more likely that the armaments that the NDF militias are using were all captured “souveniers” from prior encounters. Overt humanitarian assistance is ongoing, however.
saker your quote ” As for the AngloZionists, not in the least impressed by Putin’s various attempts at appeasing their paranoid russophobia, they are again threatening Russia with more sanctions.”
do you think the bully anglsaxons will be impressed by whinning and weakling russians or they will respect a russian who is boild and determined to stand on his ground?
take your choice.
putin has shown himself to be a weakling and they attracts more attack not less from the bullies.
thinking too much and not takingthins one day a time does this to anyone.
@ anonymous @22:45
Lenin was a tyrant , he said: “You cannot make a revolution in white gloves”. Lenin’s order to Dzerzhinsky, 1 May 1919: “…it is needed to get done with the priests and religion as soon as possible. Arrest the priests as the enemies of revolution and saboteurs, execute them without mercy everywhere you spot them. As many as you can! Churches should be shut down. The cathedrals have to be sealed and used as warehouses. ” Throughout 1922 alone at least eight thousand priests, monks and nuns were executed according to Lenin’s orders.
His economic model led to an almost complete paralysis of production, massive stealing and hunger. By 1920 production was by seven times less than in 1913 and the volumes of railway services fell to the levels of 1880. But the most dramatic cost of the experiment was the loss of 10 million lives. The Famine largely stopped in 1922, in some regions in 1923. The total death toll was at least 5 million people.
Lenin declared the dictatorship of War Communism – the “war” part was needed to explain the severe implementing of the order. Lenin ordered everyone to work and failure to do so was punished by execution. The scale of atrocities undertaken by Stalin is larger in comparison to Lenin’s, but Lenin set the trend. The fact is that it was Lenin who gave birth to concentration camps, declared a hunt against the Russian intelligentsia and clergy and laid the grounds for a totalitarian state.
On 30 June, 2014 23:12 the pessimist wrote:
A couple of developments – Porky has ended the ceasefire with an appeal to “the good citizens of Donbass” to resist the militia with civil disobedience and a pledge to not harm women and children in the coming punitive action in the east. (looks like he got the message from Maidan).
His “address to the nation” was straight from Orwell’s “1948” – total reversal of the truth:
Despite numerous documented assaults by Ukrainian forces on Lugansk and Donetsk regions – which killed dozens of civilians during what was supposed to be a ceasefire, Poroshenko was quick to assure the public that Ukraine’s military conduct is noble in nature.
“Ukrainian Armed Forces, National Guard, and other units would never allow themselves to use force against peaceful people. They will never assault the residential quarters. Ukrainian soldiers and guards will be risking their lives, so as not to expose threats to women, children and elderly people,” Poroshenko said, adding, “such is the eternal nature of the Ukrainian military valor.”
Poroshenko asked for “understanding” from the people of Donetsk and Lugansk regions for his decision to renew military assault. “I ask you to be our allies in returning security to Donbass,” he said, offering those still with arms to voluntarily surrender in return for a “presidential amnesty.”
source: http://rt.com/news/169512-ukraine-poroshenko-ceasefire-end/
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Power is not a means, it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power.
(George Orwell, “1984” p.185)
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B.
saker, the question is not only of if putin has sold out or if he is a chicken but the question is why russian toelrate that oen man -putin in this case-can sell or rescue their country?
why is there not an emnpwoerment to the people-despite all democratic elections-that nobody can sell your country this way?
the fate of country msut not depend on oen person or groupd of persons or one or another clique. west does nto have this problem ebcause a Anglos west is a police state and is controlled by military in the last resport.
russians belive too much in democracy .
Napoleaon’s attack on Russia plotted by england(to which the Great Napoleaon himself admitted).
Considering the extent of the disaster( at battle of Auterlitzs and of Ulm before that in 1805 -instigated by england with money stolen from India), The Austrian Emperor said
“THE ENGLISH ARE DEALERS OF HUMAN FLESH, THEY PAY OTHERS TO FIGHT AT THEIR PLACE”.
And English are too coward to fight on their own-they have never won a single war on their own since Boar war in 1899 and that too with all resources of loot from empire.
The English plotted to have Germany fight agasint Russia in first world war and thus destroying both powers in Europe.
Second world war was also plotted and started by evil English race.
More reason to worry! The Anglo Zionists will become more desperate as economic collapse nears. Perhaps desperate enough to start a direct conflict with a Russia? Yes! They have managed the globe for at least the past 500 years and Europe for considerably longer than that, they will not give that up without a mad desperate fight.
The target is NOT Russia but Western Europe. Any independent leader in Italy, France, Europe etc… has all been neutralized to prevent an independent Europe. The Anglo Zionists have “managed” (read raped) Europe for centuries, and they do not wish to see that region decolonized. So this effort is to keep Western Europe dependent. See this Umberto Pascali interview on Guns and Butter http://www.kpfa.org/archive/id/103646
For the Anglo-Zionists a united independent Europe has always been their great fear. The so-called father of geopolitics, Halford Mackinder, in his paper the Geographical Pivot of History showed that this was their true nightmare scenario. A Europe united under their hegemony is fine, in fact preferred – see TTIP. But they cannot allow Europe to set its own path, and Russian gas would allow Europe to do just that!
So if they fought 2 murderous wars to keep Europe enslaved, what would they do to keep an independent Eurasia with China, Russia, India et al from emerging. “The West” survived for 70 years without Russia and Eastern Europe in their camp and they can do so again. But they cannot survive without being the master of Europe. That is their aim: a new Cold War to keep Europe in line. Putin is fighting for a good deal more than Ukraine.
США опять пугают «русской военной угрозой» (U.S. again scare “of the Russian military threat”)
http://rusvesna.su/news/1404166211 (trans) http://translate.yandex.net/tr-url/ru-en.ru/rusvesna.su/news/1404166211
“Once again the United States are trying to pass on Russia liability for violation Poroshenko declared ceasefire.
“The voice of America quoted the commander of NATO forces in Europe Philip Breedlove that in his characteristic spirit claims that NATO is ready to protect its European partners in response to the alleged aggressive behavior Russia. The General said that “it is Russia that not only supports the separatists, but with the help of its military is fighting in Ukraine”.
“The facts speak for themselves – we hear good rhetoric about the truce, but we are seeing a continuation of the conflict, support conflict from the East across the border. And until we see changes to the situation on the ground, we must be very careful,” said Breedlove.
He also said that the U.S. now see on the Eastern borders of more than 7 battalions of Russian soldiers and a large number of small, task forces, and that does not solve the situation.” As they say, fear has big eyes.”
With freaks like Breedlove and Rasmussen running it, NATO should change their name to GATO.
Problem is…..the bully will be back
unless you bust him up
so…..Saudi and Qatar will do Sunni kookworld
extortion….
Juice will continue…
Jordan will become arrogant like Turkey
all can change when oil refineries go up and
ships sink in Hormuz
Shipping insurance goes thru the roof
The world will suffer some afterward
yet maybe they deserve to….seeing that they
silent agree with previous extortions
East Ukie should go visit the west and show them
the civil war is real
We’ll not be waiting for a long time. We’ll know who’s Putin, in July.
The Rapid Trident NATO exercises will be held at the borders of Crimea in July, then the USA remain there forever . Will Putin let them play?
(PS I’m sorry for my bad english, bad I hate everything is anglo/american.)
“Right branch” is preparing for the invasion of Transnistria
http://translate.yandex.net/tr-url/ru-en.ru/voicesevas.ru/news/yugo-vostok/2316-pravyy-sektor-gotovitsya-k-vtorzheniyu-v-pridnestrove.html
“Paramilitaries the formation of the Ukrainian radical nationalists groupingRight sector” preparing to the invasion to the territory of the Pridnestrovskaia Moldavskaia Respublika (PMR). On it informs “new Russia”
As is known, the accumulations militants “Right sector” at the Ukrainian-Transnistrian border at the village kuchurgany were observed even at the end of April. At the same time, the intention “export of the Ukrainian revolution in Transnistria” it was repeatedly stated by the leaders of groups included in the “Right branch”. Official representatives of the Ukrainian government also supported the tension in relations between Ukraine and Transnistria, accusing the latter to participate in the civil conflict in Odessa on the side of the opponents of the coup in Kiev.
As reported on June 28 correspondent REX, located at the Ukrainian-Transnistrian border, appeared credible information that “the Right part” is passed to the planned invasion in Transnistria, which will be used, including, up to 20 units of armored vehicles.
According to representatives of the “Right sector”, serious resistance from the Transnistrian army they don’t expect and believe that Russian peacekeeperslocated on the territory of Transnistria, will have to remain neutral, because their mandate is limited to the settlement of the Dniester-Moldovan conflict, and in relations with the new authorities of Ukraine and Russia is supposed to have come from a script “exchange” of the Crimea on Transnistria.”
@ Nora
Every time I try to really dig into it, I find realms and realms of badly-sourced, waaay-out conspiracy stuff, but what I’m looking for is facts and I figure you’ve got some, sir!
I totally agree!
Dear Saker, Your heart is (wishing more were) amazingly beautiful! Thank you and God bless you always!
Saker,
I really hope RF act soon. Everything else short of cutting gas out totally to EU is done. The last thing RF need to do it serve notice of “Do not mess with us”. It need to be done, or you will subject to more abuse. How can RF been able to stand her own people been bombed everyday? I hope to wake up for better news soon.
BOT TAK,
Attacking Russian peacekeepers doesn’t sound like a clever move. And the idea that there is some exchange for the Crimea is more than questionable. You have to make a deal that resolves things. That would just cause problems for Russia and encourage the anti-Russian forces.
There is an elephant in the vast room of Russia which, due to this vastness may hide better. It was called Zhidovstvuyuschie, the Heresy of the Judaizers which came from Lithuania to Novgorod after Ivan III stopped the drift towards apostasy of the Novgorodian boyars and spread to the highest sphers of government. Although destroyed, it managed to infect the Church from inside (see the so-called “non-possessors” movement and even the Raskol).
@ WizOz Thanks a million for the reference!
@ Anon 30 June, 2014 23:45
> The fact is that it was Lenin who gave birth to concentration camps
Another cranky hisssstorian.
CC was introduced by Brits in Boer War in South Africa, where they kept women and children of Boers fighting assailant British troops.
Anonymous 19:43
“I often wonder myself to what extent the uprising in the Donbas is a threat to the status quo in Russia itself.”
I have been wondering about myself too.
@Anonymouses:“I often wonder myself to what extent the uprising in the Donbas is a threat to the status quo in Russia itself.”
I don’t see that as a factor. Putin is FAR more popular in Russia than the leaders or even people of the Donbas. In fact, the Ukraine is often seen in Russia with a mix of dislike and bewilderment often turning into outright disgust even though most Russians have relatives or, at least, friends in the Ukraine. There is no “Ukrainian” or “Novorussian” lobby in Russia and no Ukrainian or Novorussian has any traction in Russian. Russia is remarkably stable and the pro-Western opposition is more or less dead. Unless Putin completely betrays the Novorussians his regime is, in my opinion, completely safe. I don’t see any threat to the current status quo in Russia.
My 2cts,
The Saker
About 10 years ago I read a biography of V. V. Putin , written, shortly after year 2000, by Roy Medvedev (himself quite a controversial writer and USSR dissident). That book is not translated into English, as far as I know, but is translated into several European languages. It gave me some insight into his character and spirit. I do recommend it for all of participants here, even though it is a bit out of date. What really strikes me as relevant is that he always did his school homework, in fact, excelled in it. He grew up on the streets of Leningrad and was very street wise, knowing exactly when to start a fistfight. And paradoxically, he got a sort of full “imprimatur” by both A. Solzhenitsyn and Roy Medvedev, both being tortured and abused in their past by KGB.
Spiral
Saker,
Many of the rebels hate the oligarchs, and the oligarchs are quite powerful in Moscow. Wouldn’t the Moscow oligarchs thus want to get rid of those who attack oligarchy? For that matter, isn’t the current mess largely the result of Russia’s diplomatic approach of bribery with the Ukrainian oligarchs and the Party of Regions? Russian diplomacy seems to have made almost half the country hate Russia, while the other half felt estranged.
Sorry to come so late to this party – but good people have long since rallied to Saker’s great heart with wise counsel.
Saker said: “Poroshenko’s ‘Plan B’ happening next: the plan apparently, consists of a 3-pronged attack on the Donbass: from the northwest (Kharkov), the west (Dnepropetrovsk) and the south (Mariupol). Combined with an move to block the border in the east, such a ‘Plan B’ would put all of Novorussia at a huge risk.
Saker I looked at the map. And actually such a plan puts Poro’s forces at a rather greater risk. They are actually then surrounded by Russia, no?
Larchmonter445 said it, Putin is master of the mat. This is his dojo.
Listen to the good friends oldsceptic, Midnight Sun and Anon Mongoose. Russia is in this fight, never turned away from it, engaged viscerally with it months ago, and is focused life or death on its pursuit. Russia controls this fight.
During all martial arts, and really all activity, there is only the breath. Breathe in, breathe out.
Russia withdraws from the border, Kiev ventures forth. Russia returns to the border, yet unostentatiously. Kiev attacks the border. Russia apparently does nothing. Breathe in, breathe out. Only draw the opponent, appearances count for nothing.
What will it take for Kiev to place its mortal heart into the trap? When Russia has seduced the very life force of Kiev into the trap, then perhaps we in these spectator seats may gain a glimpse of the fight.
Today, Strelkov and his brothers are the anvil, and Russia is the hammer. Kiev is being progressively drawn to commit its life force to the anvil. But if in the drawing, its life force should reveal itself as the spent force of degenerates, then we may never see the hammer come down. A simple heating of the anvil could turn this froth to steam, to vapor with no history, to a worthless story of scum dissolved into emptiness.
And no one of rational mind quite certain what just happened ;)
I also wanted to propose that the value of Russia’s “not taking the bait by invading Ukraine” has reached its shelf life and may no longer be a factor.
I can’t prove this or illustrate it but for several days now I’ve been thinking that it no longer matters what little players think of Russia, compared with the fait accompli and massive true power deriving from an obvious act of greatness.
(As a workshop project, one could maybe say that the US is now revealed as a “regional power” and create a table of comparative values starting from that?)
I invite others to amplify this thought.
Anonymous 23:45 and 02:50,
Lenin did not give birth to concentration camps, nor did the Brits. WE did, right here in the US of A. They’re called Indian Reservations and each one is numbered; the names are just for public consumption and to make their inhabitants feel a little less imprisoned. The English copied us in the Boer War, and the Germans got the idea from them. Also, our prisons — especially the private ones — are essentially slave labor camps right now, and are now and have always been marvelous arenas for medical experimentation. And torture, of course, generally of minorities who are imprisoned, and executed, at more than double the rate of whites for the same damned crimes.
Bakunin,
“Power is not a means, it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power.”
I remember feeling a dead weight of horror when I first read that book. And imperceptibly — even as we were watching and waiting to see if those nightmares could come true — they did.
Sake, I believe you misunderstood. the status quo is along the line of Paul II’s comments, and refer to status quo of oligarchs in Russia. Do they feel threatened? and trying to undermine any action would taken to the benefit of Novorossian? After all, it took a long time for Gazprom to even say no to Ukie.
Nora:
So they became Rusyns, Ruthenians, Ukrainians, lots of different groups and loyalties — all anti-Russian though, which was the point — and didn’t really coalesce into being Ukrainians until really the end of the nineteenth century/start of the twentieth.
Rusyn (actually Russkij) is nothing more than the word “Russian” in the Carpathian/Old West Russian dialect. In proper Russian of Moscow and Novgorod, this word is Rossiyan (Rosskij). There is nothing sinister about the word. All West Russians used to call themselves by this word.
Ruthenian is the Latinization of Russian, with the “s” turned into a “th”. This word is used by historians to confuse things, such as calling the predominant party of the West Russians in Galacia during late Austro-Hungarian times the “Ruthenian People’s Party”, but the actual name of the party was the “Russian People’s Party”.
Ukraine/Ukrainian was a word used in the area of Sloboda Ukraine – the Cossack land of the Zaporazhian Sich on Right Bank Dniestr – today’s Poltava, Kharkov and Sumy. The word means border land, as in the border of the Russian Empire. These people called themselves Russkij (Russian) also, as well as Kazak (Cossack = Free man), and Ukrainskij (Border dweller).
The Rusyns thought of themselves as “Russians” right up to the end of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. They learned of their Ukrainian identity only after the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk, which invented a German dominated Ukraine. As evidence of this, the Rusyns who returned to Orthodoxy in America after facing persecution from the likes of Bishop John Ireland formed two Churches – the American Carpatho-Russian Orthodox Catholic Church (this is the body of those from Transcarpathia, Boykoland, Lemkoland, and East Slovakia), and the Russian Orthodox Church in America (this is the body formed of those leaving the Russian (Ruthenian) Greek Catholic Church – i.e. those from Galacia, Belarus, and Volnyia). A good friend of mine is from a family as he puts it of “Russians” from “Belarus” near the Polish border.
As to the Galacian Catholics, at the time and up until 1940, they were known as Greek Catholics or Ruthenian (i.e. Russian) Greek Catholics (as in the Greek Rite of Mass vs. the Latin Rite). As I noted their political party was the Russian People’s Party.
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Nora:
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In 1940 under the new Pope Pius XII, the Carpathians (from the Union of Uzhorod in 1646) were renamed by the Vatican as “Byzantine Catholics” who were to be part of a body inside Hungary, Romania, Slovakia, and Vojvodina encompassing all Rusyns, Slovaks, Hungarians, and Romanians who adhered to the Greek Catholic Church, while the Galacians (who became Catholic only in 1730, not in 1596) were renamed as “Ukrainian Greek Catholics”. The purpose of this was part of Pius XII’s war planning, whereby in the Vatican’s plans, the “Ukrainian Greek Catholics” would be united (by force if need be) with the “Autocephalous Ukrainian Orthodox Church” (the indpendent “Ukrainian Orthodox Church” in Volhynia), to which would be attached the whatever elements of the Russian Orthodox Church found in the Ukrainian SSR after the German invasion and conquest that Germany might be persuaded to not be very interested in. This would form together with the Polish General Government, Slovakia, Hungary and Croatia (and possibly Lithuania) a Central European Catholic Confederation – basically a rebirth of much of the Austro-Hungarian Empie together with the Commonwelath of Poland. The Vatican was prepared to press with its suasion for this reborn state in the event of either Nazi or Western triumph in World War II, and a central role was to be assigned the newly united “Ukrainians” (then under the rule of Stalin, but planned to be “liberated”) as the most numerous of all these peoples.
It is at this time that Galacian Rusyns and the OUN and UPA really adopts a “Ukrainian” identity and reject the ehtnonym and language Russkij/Rusyn and takes up its mission crusade of “freeing” and uniting all “Ukrainians”, identified by them as anyone who had been identified as a Malorossiyan (Little or Proper Russian) in the 1897 Imperial Census, which would include the lands targeted today by Yarosh – all of modern Ukraine, Kursk, Belograd, Stavropol, Krasnodon, Voronezh, Saratov, and necessarily the Don Cossacks, who though clearly “Great Russian” were considered as “lost” brothers to the other Ukrainians, seeing as in the mind of these newly minted nationalists, Cossack = Ukrainian.
Over the next decades this newly created nationhood quickly ran its course through the institutions of public culture in Galacia and the diaspora, most especially the Ukrainian Greek Catholics who (only) in 1961 adopted the Ukrainian language as their liturigcal language, permanently turning their back on Church Slavonic and Russian and thus any idea that they formed a loyal kernel of a much larger Russian Orthodox Catholic Church, despite that being the reality of their history – that they were Johnny-Come-Lately’s to the Union of Brest of 1596, which originally was focused on Belarus, Volhynia, Kiev, and Smolensk (the lands of the Duchy of Lithuania in the Polish Commonwealth).
If you are looking for a moment of ethnogenesis in Galacia, this is the time when they turned away from Russia forever. These provinces remained alienated from the rest of Ukraine during Soviet times, a sense that was cherished and nurtured by the underground Church, which also fed them with nonsense about being a special and chosen people. In the Soviet Union referendum in March 1991, only the three Galacian provinces voted to dissolve the Union among all the regions of Ukraine.
Serfdom ( i.e. slavery) was not abolished in Russia until the mid 19th century and most Russian were serfs. This and not some free mason or otherwise conspiracy was what laid the imprint on Russian history. Religion ( orthodoxy of course ) is good and rationalism (foreign elite influence of course) is bad is a poor way to analyze history. Your analysis smacks of nationalistic victimization.. Sorry, “real” Russians did it to” real” Russians the whole time. What is going on in the Ukraine is that a fascist minority is being used by an Orthodox opportunist( Poroshenko) to put the final touch of destruction on a floundering state by crushing a culural minority with the tacit ( at least so far) permission of the rest of the country. Please do not tell me that his matrilineal DNA is what makes him a zionist-capitalist collaborator.
@ VINEYARDSAKER: said…01 July, 2014 03:22
@Anonymouses:”I often wonder myself to what extent the uprising in the Donbas is a threat to the status quo in Russia itself.”
I don’t see that as a factor.
Anonymouses – one of salient questions today.
Saker – you did not catch it.
For me it’s a place (Donbas) were New Russian Federation is being forged. So I’m really afraid Putin and Co. sees that as personal thorn in their asses – the best breed of nationals, motivated, tough and resolve. Future Russian elite able to inspire people and to do badly needed changes in post-Soviet Russian State’s Skeleton. Elite strong and able to get rid of so called liberals, oligarchs and media fifth column.
Saker, you have a good heart but PLEASE DO NOT promote and link the CIA’s Wikipedia site, which is proven before EU police to be spreading lies to defame and MURDER dissidents to the US regime
Wikipedia itself is helping to MURDER Russians with its propaganda, so please do not help them
Remember even if a ‘historical’ Wiki page looks ok at moment, the CIA can instantly change it the next minute, so readers will see total lies about the topics you have linked.
Jimmy Jimbo Wales CIA ‘founder’ of Wiki was picked out of the pornography business for his role, precisely because he is willing to violate children and kill people, and today he helps America’s top political families molest bodies of children – see the EU police file. Jewish arch-Zionist Wales attends birthday parties of the President of Israel.
Wikipedia admins even send e-mail from CIA contractors … years ago thousands of Wiki entries were tracked back to known CIA IP addresses at the time
The Wiki ‘trick’ is 90% is fake-neutral so CIA & partners can put in lies as wished
Yes you are busy and may not have time to locate honest links, given how CIA-Google intentionally puts Wiki and clones at top of search results – CIA-Google which is crushing and marginalising your own work as well.
5 levels of CIA internet control
1 – CIA-Google promoting CIA-sites, down-placing or totally censoring others
2 – CIA-Wikipedia
3 – Clones of CIA-Wikipedia, e.g., Israel’s Answers-com etc … Google normally excludes duplicates but always promotes CIA-Wikipedia
4 – CIA-tied Operation Mockingbird corporate media, NY Times etc
5 – Fake ‘alternative dissident’ news sites, some ‘dissident’ material, but then either CIA lies on one side, or outrageous silly material to discredit the real material
CIA Wikipedia-Google fraud EU police report
http://homment.com/FB3PjBQ2DF
Saker, you have a good heart but PLEASE DO NOT promote and link the CIA’s Wikipedia site, which is proven before EU police to be spreading lies to defame and MURDER dissidents to the US regime
Wikipedia itself is helping to MURDER Russians with its propaganda, so please do not help them
Remember even if a ‘historical’ Wiki page looks ok at moment, the CIA can instantly change it the next minute, so readers will see total lies about the topics you have linked.
Jimmy Jimbo Wales CIA ‘founder’ of Wiki was picked out of the pornography business for his role, precisely because he is willing to violate children and kill people, and today he helps America’s top political families molest bodies of children – see the EU police file. Jewish arch-Zionist Wales attends birthday parties of the President of Israel.
Wikipedia admins even send e-mail from CIA contractors … years ago thousands of Wiki entries were tracked back to known CIA IP addresses at the time
The Wiki ‘trick’ is 90% is fake-neutral so CIA & partners can put in lies as wished
Yes you are busy and may not have time to locate honest links, given how CIA-Google intentionally puts Wiki and clones at top of search results – CIA-Google which is crushing and marginalising your own work as well.
5 levels of CIA internet control
1 – CIA-Google promoting CIA-sites, down-placing or totally censoring others
2 – CIA-Wikipedia
3 – Clones of CIA-Wikipedia, e.g., Israel’s Answers-com etc … Google normally excludes duplicates but always promotes CIA-Wikipedia
4 – CIA-tied Operation Mockingbird corporate media, NY Times etc
5 – Fake ‘alternative dissident’ news sites, some ‘dissident’ material, but then either CIA lies on one side, or outrageous silly material to discredit the real material
CIA Wikipedia-Google fraud EU police report
http://homment.com/FB3PjBQ2DF
It seems things are stirring in Europe. A German TV report discusses provocations against Russia, killing of civilians in Donbass and punitive actions against them.
Saker, an excellent analysis as usual. But also as usual, you leave out entirely another major perspective – that of the Ukrainian powers-that-be. They, too, have difficulties and obstacles to overcome, and only a limited time in which to solve those problems or face disintegration.
Internationally, they have the image of the Nazi to overcome as nation after nation and people after people begin to get very uneasy about supporting these murderous mobs
They have to show the IMF that they are capable of controlling the East before they can get fully funded.
They have an opening chasm of an internal power struggle, as competing oligarchs put pressure on Poroshenko
In July the European Association Agreement takes effect and there is anticipated to be widespread unrest among the people who could well present to the government a massive social upheaval as energy and food prices soar.
They have the pressure put on them by the neo-Nazis who actually hold the REAL power in Ukraine – police, intelligence services, national security, military and Chief Prosecutor’s office. If these people don’t like what Poroshenko does, they might well kill him off.
Ukraine’s economic situation is so near default that they are literally hanging over the edge. If the EU and the IMF delay support because of the unrest in the East (and subsequently, all over the country due to price rises and shortages), the economy could well go into default.
If the South Stream pipeline is finally approved (which I think it will be, thanks to rebellious European countries), then it is a completely new game – Russia has just recently referred to its ‘Plan B’ – completely disengage gas shipments through Ukraine. If this should ever happen, both the US and the EU would almost immediately disengage from Ukraine, leaving them to the wolves.
So you see there are many dangerous and potentially lethal forces acting upon Ukraine to force them into a quick solution – a solution they may not be able to deliver.
And don’t think Putin isn’t keenly aware of all this. Have patience. Putin knows what he is doing. He knows that all the problems are not with Russia in this – the EU, the US and Ukraine have plenty of their own.
Your published views may be a consequence of tunnel vision accentuated by “emotional” response.
Both of these characteristics lead to strategic short-sightedness.
Although it may not yet be apparent to many, in effect the opponents are continuing their multi-demensional and multi-locational war against the rest of living things on the planet.
Consequently actions in this war take place in multi-demensions and multi-locations.
The wise strategy is lateral not linear.
The notion of retreat is linear within the spectrum of advance/retreat, the lateral strategy is change in dimension and location.
It is excellent that the opponents are also mired in linear spectra; defeat/victory, advance/retreat, which will merely catalyse change to the benefit of those with a lateral perspective.
Given the multi-dimensions there are many opportunities to catalyse change, including not depending on or waiting for messiah, as this gives a strategic advantage to the opponents, even re-inforcing a key part of the opponents ideology that the opponents are necessary as leaders or exceptionalist to whom others should be beholden, one of the extrapolations of which is that the opponents should be afforded differential access to power and myriad benefits.
It is true that people will die, but all living things die.
The present system is a system of death, the main variable being the dynamic of death,
quickly – wars,
more slowly – famine/obesity, even more slowly – stress related illness etc
and this is also subject to change, including the perception of what is the definition of death.
Perhaps the above might share some elements to answer the question you pose?
Dear The Saker,
It can be very upsetting and frustrating and we all feel these up and down emotions.
I think Putin’s comments today to Ambassadors and Reps sends out various messages.
http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/738488
Some highlights:
16:55 Russia
Unipolar model of the world failed — Putin
16:48 Economy
Russian ministry approves international company for South Stream construction
16:35 Russia
Ukraine plots some shady schemes with its partners to get Russian gas — Putin
16:30 Russia
Eurasian Economic Union open to other CIS countries — Putin
16:11 Russia
World development cannot be unified, but necessary to look for common ground — Putin
16:08 Russia
Someone wants to use Europe in his interests — Putin
16:06 Russia
Russia is not interested in outside observer role — Putin
16:00 Russia
Solid diplomatic cluster of Russia, China not aimed against anyone — Putin
16:00
15:58 Russia
Russia not to end relations with US — Putin
15:55 Russia
Russia could not let NATO troops enter Sevastopol — Putin
15:53 Russia
Ukraine deliberately eliminates journalists — Putin
15:48 Russia
Russia to go ahead with South Stream project — Putin
15:46 Russia
Europe most important trade, economic partner of Russia — Putin
15:44 Russia
Putin hopes Armenia will become member of Eurasian Economic Union soon
Its all the bigger picture and future.
Rgds,
Veritas
Russia has been retreating since the beginning of the Ukrainian crisis. “The West” imposed a nazi coup in Ukraine against the legitimate government. Russia did nothing. What really happened in Crimea is a mistery. Limonov says Putin just profited from a fait accompli. I would say is a logical idea, judging by what happened before and after Crimea. Odessa’s pogrom passed without a blink from Putin. The referendum in Dombass was dismissed. However, he ran to accept and recognize the electoral farce of May25. Poroshenko’s initial crackdown in Dombass didn’t deserve his special attention either. He accepted the weirdest possible meeting in Normandy, from which we only knew he endorsed (somehow) the new “President”. He hasn’t enforced a no-fly zone and accepted (again without even blinking) shellings, mortars, Grads, white phosphorus. Russian territory has been shelled at least twice…
Putin has shown no apparent problem with the endless blackmail with the gas. Last (so far), he endorsed the ceasefire trap, in which Poroshenko has regrouped troops since day one and prepared his “Final Solution” for the “russian bugs”. I wonder where is the great strategist some people see in Putin
Saker,
Russia needs to experience this pain. It needs to know the value the west has on the Russian soul and on their lives.
Let me explain, Putin is playing the long game and unlike the West that has many servants (Germany, Britain, etc), Russia is basically on their own. Yes, there are all these quiet agreements (important, but quiet) coming out with China, and quiet engagement with the Saudis, and Latin America (Putin is meeting Kirchner this month), as well as European … he has been engaging them behind the scenes, not bringing attention until there is something to sign, until he is able to successfully separate those parties from the influence of the US.
He’s creating Russian friendly zones. Taking the long view that this is not going to get better, but instead it will get worst.
He is one man. One country. We cannot ask for a miracle, we can only pray for their success.
What I meant by pain … What happens to Russia when there is no Putin, when it has no strong leader? When the propaganda of democracy again comes calling?
How do you combat dreams, unrealistic dreams? How do you protect your country knowing that you are not immortal?
By letting them learn the most important lesson … Russians need to learn how they are perceived, how little they are valued, and how often the US/West lies, and uses propaganda to get their way.
He is inoculating a generation. Do you think that ordinary Russians will again believe the West after all of this? That they will accept the promises of freedom and democracy? That they will fall prey to a colour revolution?
Sometimes you need to bleed, in order to experience the pain, in order to learn to stay away from sharp objectives, especially those that come with a friendly smile.
I pray for him. I pray for Russia.
@I pray for him. I pray for Russia.
Indeed this is the only way. Apparently the prayers are heard. Something to take heart from:
“This year, from 9 to 11 May 2014 the great-grandchildren of the Archduke (Franz-Ferdinand)invited to Austria an advisor of Metropolitan Hilarion of the Church Outside Russia, together with the Myrrh-Giving icon of Tsar Nicholas II from Moscow. It was here that a miracle took place. On 10 May at the castle of Artstetten in Lower Austria, towering with its onion domes over the Danube, before members of the family, the akathist was read before the icon.
It was at this moment that ‘the background of the icon changed and the halo around the Tsar-Martyr’s head gave out rays of golden light; in turn his clothing shone and his face seemed as if it were alive, his mouth seemed to open and his lips moved as if he were speaking. His hand made the sign of the cross in blessing and a strong fragrance was given off; it seemed as though his figure was about to move forward from the background’. (Written by Princess Rosalia von Hohenberg). A deep impression was left on all present”.
More from http://www.events.orthodoxengland.org.uk/
Saker – WELL SAID!
A sincere explanation of what’s been tearing at you.
Well Said! and especially to the following:
1) Covert military and technical aid to the Novorussian resistance.
2) Political denunciation of the junta’s atrocities and provocations.
3) A constant attempt at putting a political and financial wedge between the EU and the US.
4) A constant preparation of the Russian public opinion for a possible use of the Russian armed forces to “save Novorussia”.
5) A uninterrupted struggle to replace as many “Atlantic Integrationists” with as many “Eurasian Sovereignists” (for a definition, see the links above) in key positions in the Kremlin.
I been harping these points (1,2,4,5) for some time and fully agree with you on these 4 points.
It appears Putin has given the Chocolate-Comode as much room to hang that fat-head oligarch with. He even offer ‘joint-patrols’ of the Russo-Ukraine border to prevent infiltration of weapons and men. His foreign minister has literally bent over backwards. All of these moves are meant to be marked down into the record and to ensure that certain governments are completely clear as to whose decision it was to unleash murder on civilians.
I also believe that Putin stating that he will be holding Paraschenko PERSONALLY responsible for the deaths that will ensue is a statement that needs to be watched in coming the future.
Let’s see if 1,2,4 & 5 are unleashed and ramped-up.
Is freemasonry a branch of the Jesuit order?
Well done Saker, as always. Thank you for your efforts and such a deep insights. You have pure Slavic soul, great and honest mind. I send you all regards from Serbia. We are always with our Russian and Ukrainian brothers and I hope that RF and Putin will succeed to defend people in Novorusia, once again defeat Nazis and lead the world toward liberation. We in Serbia, we know very well what is going on in Ukraine and which satanic media and diplomatic pressure have been put on Russian shoulders. We have gone trough that. Unfortunately we have no enough force to fight that battle, we were defeated and more than decade our soul, tradition, mind and economics are destroying by EU and our sold politicians. I feel pity for Ukrainians who believes in US/EU lies while slavery, poverty and humiliation is what they will get. As I said, Serbs did not have strength to defend, but all Slavic and righteous people all over the world believes that Russia have. I pray for you and your people, victory will be yours.
Re: Is freemasonry a branch of the Jesuit order? @ 02 July, 2014 04:48
Minor factoid about the Jesuits: When banned by the Vatican from 1773 to 1814 at the behest of European Catholic monarchs, who considered them too democratic and subversive, they persisted in Russia by decree of Catherine The Great. Also in Prussia with its Protestant ruler. So blame them on the Russians and Prussians.
PS: When the Church removed the ban on freemasonry from canon law in 1983, I was one in DC for 10 years, until the Vatican declared the ban still in effect. What I saw were a bunch of small businessmen that liked ritual, secret handshakes, and the like, plus hijinks like the Shriners. The idea of them engaging in any conspiracy is laughable.