Introductory note: I saw the aphorism above spray-painted by some unknown person on one of the walls of my high-school. Of course, it was written in French (“l’éclat des certitudes m’amène à tuer“). Only years later did I understand that it refers to the dangers of certitudes which we often elevate into dogmas and into a valid cause for both physical and spiritual fratricide (this is the sin we commit every time we kill, either physically or spiritually a fellow human being). I think that aphorism is very fitting whenever discussing the issues below.
First, let me begin by an excerpt from the recent 4 hours long Q&A with Putin (emphasis added)
The Russian journalist, Nailya Asker-zade, mentions the topic of the the anti-vaxers.
Vladimir Putin: And not only anti-vax dissidents, there are enough of them both in this country and elsewhere.
What is happening in the world? What are specialists saying? When a sweeping vaccination campaign against the main infections is afoot, it seems that everything is fine and there is no need, as some people believe, to get vaccinated. “Why get a jab? Almost no one is sick.” But as soon as the vaccination level drops to a certain threshold – bang, all of a sudden there is an outbreak and everyone is scrambling to get vaccinated as soon as possible.
We should take our cue from the specialists, not people who do not know much about this matter and listen to rumours. After all, this is happening all around the world. You know, the things I heard: that there is nothing at all, that in reality there is no epidemic. Sometimes I listen to what some people are saying – they seem to be grown-up, educated people. I do not know where they are taking this from. When you tell them that this is happening all over the world, they reply: “Right, country leaders have come into collusion.” Do they have any idea of what is happening in the world, of the contradictions that are plaguing today’s world, where all leaders allegedly upped and conspired with each other? It is all absolute rubbish.
Now that I set the context, I have a simple question for all COVID-dissidents and anti-vaxxers (all restrictions on discussing the medical aspects of COVID (cf moderation rules numbers #19 and #20 are suspended, but ONLY for this comments section, under this post only!!!).
Xi Jinping, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, Maduro, Arce (and Morales!) and new leader of Cuba, Díaz-Canel – all agree with Putin. Fully.
Six very different countries, six very different leaders, six very different political and social systems and six totally different economies. Yet they very much all agree with each other.
(Truth be told, all of Latin America – except maybe Bolsanaro – agrees with these six countries!)
So here is my question. There are four logical explanations of this for COVID-dissidents/anti-vaxxers:
- Putin, Xi, Khamenei, Maduro, Arce (and Morales!) and Diaz-Canel are all less well informed that we (COVID-dissidents/anti-vaxxers) are.
- Putin, Xi, Khamenei, Maduro, Arce (and Morales!) and Diaz-Canel all know the truth, but they are all lying.
- Putin, Xi, Khamenei, Maduro, Arce (and Morales!) and Diaz-Canel all working with the Great-Replacers and “chippers” from Davos, with the Bohemian grovers, with Bill Gates and CFR, etc. etc. etc. They all want to create a single world government, kill a few billion people and usher in the Times of the Antichrist.
- Don’t confuse me with facts, I got my opinion and, dammit, I am right!!!
Which one do *you* pick?
Personally, it is my choice to trust the best political leaders on the planet, especially when their conclusions are supported by the best (both in quality and honesty!) scientific community on the planet. That will remain my choice until somebody points out to me either evidence that all these leaders are “in cahoots with the Empire” or, alternatively, that the COVID-dissidents/anti-vaxxers know more about microbiology, virology or epidemiology than the very best Russian (and Chinese, and Iranian, and Cuban, and etc. etc. etc.) scientists.
Furthermore a truism, really, but this logical/common sense rule of thumb seems to be often forgotten today: as Carl Sagan correctly pointed out, “extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence“. So before you post some absolute nonsense such as “Putin and Biden are in cahoots” (“Putin and Bennett are in cahoots” also qualifies!) or “I know so much more about this virus that the folks at the Gamaleia institute and Vektor virology centers!” I ask you to please keep Sagan’s truism in mind and stop the crazy nonsense! (unless you are a diagnosed narcissist and you absolutely and sincerely believe that you know more than everybody else, including Russian professors and academicians; for you I will make an exception and allow you to post such a claim).
Finally, please don’t waste your (and my) time by insulting me, calling me a “gatekeeper” or an “uncritical Putin fanboy” (oh, I am VERY MUCH a Putin-fanboy, that is true, but I am a very critical one, my articles prove this). Your fellow COVID-dissidents have already called me lots of names, many times, and I already heard it all. Of course, if you sincerely believe that your opinion if single most important thing in the universe (vide supra), by all means, insult me some more (this makes Pareto-optimal-sense I suppose).
However, please don’t send me what I call “divorce letters” à la “since you don’t agree with my views, I will stop reading your blog, posting on your blog or sending you donations“. Not that I mind them, I just find them a waste of everybody’s time. Why? Because this blog is about REAL diversity and REAL pluralism. This is not an “ideologically pure” blog which tries to raise advertisement revenue by catering to a specific population. First, I don’t have advertisements (I *entirely* depend on the kindness of others, all donations I get are 100% voluntary, there is not quid pro quo here!). And if you are such an intolerant bigot that you absolutely DEMAND that the entire human race agrees with you, then I really don’t want you anywhere near this blog.
Just leave quietly and lock yourself in your ideological prison: it may be small and ugly, but all your fellow inmates will be just as “pure” and “right” as you are (yeah!!!). As for donations, I noticed that for every “divorce letter” I get, I also get more people understanding what I am trying to do and offering me their support. And let me also add here that there is no sum of money out there which would convince me to lie or care more about how much money comes in than my personal integrity. Besides, my “trick” is simple: I simply count on God to provide the blog, my family and myself everything we need: my help shall come from the Lord, who made the heaven and the earth (Ps 121:2 LXX).
The Saker
PS: I will add one more thing: I have spoken, at length, to many COVID-dissidents/anti-vaxxers. I also read a lot of the stuff they sent me (and, believe me, nobody spams you like fanatics, because they really REALLY want/need to convert you to their beliefs!). And while I still am mostly agnostic about most COVID medical aspects (the only thing I am sure of is that it was not a leaked bio-weapon) I can say with absolute certainty: the level of ideological fantasization of COVID-dissidents/anti-vaxxers is at least as high as it must have been in the Soviet Komsomol or the Hitlerjugend. And yes, it is also at least as intolerant and bigoted as the Homopride/BLM/Antifa crowds. Far from being a triumph for critical thinking and free investigations, the mental world of these folks in straight out of Orwell’s 1984. It is a sad irony that these folks sincerely think of themselves as both “well informed” and “free thinkers”.
PPS: I fully expect this to turn into the usual hate-fest when dealing fanatics. I ask all of you, my friends, not to defend me in any way shape or form. I really don’t care anymore and I expect nothing less :-) cheers
PPPS: I leave you all with a cute image I saw in some Russian outlet (forgot which one)
Translation: Kübler-Ross model five stages of grief for COVID-dissidents: 1. Denial 2. Anger 3. Bargainin 4. Depression 5. Certificate of vaccination
I’m old enough to remember queuing at a clinic in England as a kid waiting for my polio vaccination. (They ran out of vaccine before my turn). It was several years later that the link with babies born without limbs was apparent, and we learned the term thalidomide. So, forgive my caution.
I am all for your caution. And you probably have seen a car accident in your life. You would be forgiven to pay attention to seat belts, speed, drunk driving , etc.
But you are not declaring that all cars kill, right?
A few non sequiturs there. I’m a scientist, and respect data. The jury is out at present on the unique and experimental mRNA vaccines, and teh Astra version is having a bad press.
I’m in the sciences too and I absolutely agree with your point about mRNA vaccines. A vaccine that uses cellular machinery to produce the offending Corona spike protein and used without proper trials. It’s worse than thalidomide, to my mind.
An Irish immunologist has something interesting to say. Google Prof Dolores Cahill. I’m sure you’ve heard of Prof Wolfgang Wodarg too, one of the earliest ‘sceptics’ re Corona who gives good data, at least for Germany, on the state of play concerning the pandemic.
Maybe the Sputnik vaccine is okay, but here in the United States the mRNA vaccines are a problem.
Perfectly healthy 20 and 30 year olds are having heart attacks and stokes. Some previously healthy people get the vaccine and are dead within days of the injection. Children are ending up paralyzed.
And I am told by someone I know in the health care profession that the vaccines don’t even work very well. People get the vaccines and they then wait the required time for them to be effective. But subsequently they catch the virus and end up in the hospital anyway.
Basically, if you get the vaccine you are putting yourself at serious risk of injury or death in return for little or no benefit.
Yes the informations we get recently are disturbing to say the least
https://z3news.com/w/new-study-published-in-new-england-journal-of-medicine-finds-82-miscarriage-rate-among-vaccinated-pregnant-women/
Hi there, I am not sure that Sputnik is any better, they probably made to the same feedstock that was ready before the pandemic. Check this video, looks eastern block to me:
https://rense.com//general96/covid-cattle-vax-slaughter.php
Dr. Roger Hodkinson: Why suppress discussing Covid vaccines may produce sterilization, heart failure?
Dr. Roger Hodkinson received his general medical degrees from Cambridge University in the UK (M.A., M.B., B. Chir.) where he was a scholar at Corpus Christi College. Following a residency at the University of British Columbia he became a Royal College certified general pathologist (FRCPC) and also a Fellow of the College of American Pathologists (FCAP).
German microbiologist, Sucharit Bhakdi
Dr Sucharit Bhakdi is a specialist in microbiology. He was a professor at the Johannes Gutenberg University in Mainz and head of the Institute for Medical Microbiology and Hygiene and one of the most cited research scientists in German history.
The problem is the vaccine doesnt stay at the injection site but is spread throught your whole body by your vascular system. Thus when the vaccine causes latent infections (allowing it to use your cell machinery) throughout your body (heart, brain, spleen, etc) the spike protein the vaccine generates also damages the endothelial walls causing blood clots (your body’s response to a damaged wall like a cut) and even autoimmune effects. This explains many of the serious side effects that have occured. I think this is the more detailed/scientific reason why people are waiting on the sidelines until a less damaging vaccine is available.
It’s even more fundamental than that, cdvision. Contrary to what most people believe pathogenic viruses do not exist. It’s nothing but fearmongering by Big Pharma aka “modern Western medicine.”
I reckon the Mafia which runs the West (and above all controls media and medicine) has had a lot of influence on medicine worldwide.
Unfortunately many Chinese, and certainly Iranian and Russian scientists and leaders [1953 NWO coup d’états], are therefore also fooled well by – as far as ‘viruses’ are concerned – unscientific activities in the years 1858, 1953 and1954.
(Of course I took ‘viruses’ and other Western quackery for granted myself until I really looked into it thanks to ‘Rona)
Virologists disregard the fundamental rule of scientific work which is to carry out control experiments.
Even the Federal Supreme Court of Germany had to admit that virology has no basis in science (the solid German scientist Dr. Stefan Lanka won the measle virus process).
See: https://wissenschafftplus.de/cms/de/wichtige-texte about ‘viruses’ (yes, “modern Western medicine” is that corrupt).
Also fearless, solid, and very good: https://learninggnm.com and https://andrewkaufmanmd.com
All cars do not kill but a car is driven by a human, mostly endlessly varied ordinary human beings. no such luck with vaccine manufacturers. They are organized monopolists, are proven killers and destroyers of the planetary environment by our experience of them.
a Why spike proteins in vaccines that can alter human DNA, according to all reports?
b Why are so many vaccinated still getting the virus, must still wear masks, socially distance etc?
c What about the horrific side effects that of the vaccines that kills more than Covid does which now seem proven beyond doubt?
d Why prohibit Ivermectin, Hydroxychloroquine?
e Why censorship widespread in the west at least, of ALL criticism of the authoritative Covid line.. or lines?
f There appear to be alternative or varied treatments for Covid that are effective. The authoritative line that appears to be global, that Putin himself spoke, does not sit well with me…”only the vaccine can cant deal with Covid!”
I do not trust the vaccines, will never trust any vaccine made by western multinational corporations. There is little I trust from them anyway… and absolutely not the vaccines. For a minute I felt positive about the Russian Vaccines. now I am not. it is a question of who makes the Russian vaccines?
I feel best about the Chinese vaccine although I wont be taking that one, or any and all they make, or might make additionally as well.
AND WHY THE DEVELOPING TOTAL SOCIAL OSTRACISM OF THE UNVACCINATED, MEASURED BY VACCINE PASSPORTS ETC? THAT IS ABSOLUTELY PUNITIVE FOR NO GOOD REASON THAT I CAN SEE…AND NONE THAT ANYONE HAS NOTED AND PINTED OUT TO US THAT I KNOW OF.
VACCINE PASSPORTS READ AND FEEL LIKE A NEW APARTHEID!
I trust implicitly in good health and my immune system/open exposure and once exposed to Covid I expect my immune system to develop immunity in response to protect me.
I have no proof about the full nature of the vaccinations but particularly in the case of the western ones there is an awful lot of horrific vaccine and general experience with Big Pharma, for a long time now…experience that has established at least with me the principle: DO NOT TRUST BIG PHARMA PERIOD…FAR LESS THEIR VACCINES!
And I simply wont! I simply cant go against my experience and best judgement
My responsibility to myself if I want to live is to eat well and keep fit, and stay as cool as I can emotionally most of the time…and let nature take care of the rest. For me to trust medicine again, Big Pharma must die! Society must break up all monopolies urgently, especially the health one! And the media one as well: And the…
From a position of present knowledge excellent points Ben, from my perspective I added 3 years family daily supply of 4000 unit Vit D to your point D… In the end it was income decimation that got me fully vaccinated, in effect what effectively appears for me to be a passport to work in Zone B (слава Богу…). Conducting my own personal risk assessment, it is considered I have a far higher probability of jumping off a tall building before any other ramifications were to appear, and I have my kids already… First post on this wonderful site, many thanks Saker🙂
I heard about the Vit D at the beginning, and started taking 4k-5k IU daily. Had my serum level checked after 5 months, and it was only 40, so I increased to 10k daily. I take quercetin (a decent ionophore) and zinc
More people are killed by cars than guns in peacetime
Having suffered serious injury and loss through others drivers I could support a ban on cars and very restricted car use
They knew how unsafe the ford pinto was and still marketed it as a safe family car. Vaccines, like cars, may have good model and bad ones. How many people here would buy a car, or any product, that comes without a warranty and also provides the manufacturer with total indemnification from any harm you may suffer due to is use?
Excellent point.
Apples and oranges between cars and idiots with syringes. I too, was forced to get the flawed vaccine, from the U$ goobermint who assured me of it’s safety. Guess what, they may not have lied but “the science” sure as sh!t didn’t know. They say maybe even caused AIDS….you know that disease Anthony “the science” Fauci owns, also whose spike protein is grafted onto the virus. I apologize if this goes against the rules to say, as for example, there are only ten commandments and I can’t remember what rules 19 and 20 are. I do not trust the mRNA swill Pfizer, who has a huge list of validated lies and misrepresentations available on the internet for one’s perusal. I live in the USA where our physicians give black men syphilis without their consent, who have sterilized 10s of thousands of African women, or as of late the coming out of the mass graves of my people, Indians, kindly put in the ground after sating the sexual pleasures of Catholic priests.
I have huge respect for you and most of the people here. I am a fanboy too, of you and similar to you. I say I would take the Sputnik in complete trust and without anxiety or reservation. The Chinese vaccine too but Fauci’s spook juice spooks me. I see Dr. Mengele in that lying turd’s eyes. Soon enough I will be physically forced to have the new bio-politics inserted in my own temple, my own body. In a just world I would have access to all the pharmacopia available, here in the gulag of the free. Land of truth, justice and the American way. I am not an anti-vaxxer. When they actually come up with one here, I would feel much less anxiety. I have immune issues, go into shock with flu vaccine so I am urged not to take the shot. I actually think I had Con-19(con in the sense of the panic not the virus) in Nov/Dec 2019. It was very unpleasant. I take the ivermectin with vitamins now. I live so far out in the mountains that I have actually only seen 3 people in 2 years and 2 of them are my family.
I do know about cars and seatbelts but this feels like manufacturing consent almost. I generally trust you, almost implicitly but I kind agree with Bill Hicks adage “All governments are lying c ck s ckers.”
I could speak with more clarity but you know as well as I the freedom lovers are all over this like they imagine the KGB was all over their own citizens.
You are not declaring that all of those who are cautious about THIS shot (and have rational, science-based reasons for their caution, such as, for example, their own medical history) are “anti-vaxxers,” right?
Katherine
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He seems to have no space for nuances on this issue.
Right on.
And what disturbes me most is that for the Saker we are now
,, COVID- dissidents and anti-vaxxers,,
Sounds quite a negative opinion to me
Reading the comments though shows we that there overweights sanity in most of his followers
CDvision
thalidomide was a morning sickness medication for early pregnancy.
Nothing to do with polio.
But I agree with caution regarding these new mRNA vac.
And the more I read about “normal” vac – I have caution there now also.
Dear White Whale,
Speaking of Polio, can you remember the problems with the polio vaccine that was distributed in Africa. It had something to do a ‘green Monkey’ disease or whatever that had found its way into the vaccine. Do you remember?
the vax was grown on green monkey kidneys that were infected with numerous simian viruses. SV 40 was the ‘polyoma’: cause of many cancers. Named ’40’ because it was the 40th one they found! This was distributed in the USA too, to all the Boomers.
The botched polio vaccine caused cancers and other problems, no doubt. Many deaths.
I had a somewhat similar experience as a kid. Never had measles. Then I got jabbed for it, and the next day, BAM! Hello measles!
Chances are you were exposed to measles before you had the shot.
Oh come on!
What are the odds? The next day!?!?!
Is that you, Big Pharma Jim?
Dear Doug,
Isn’t that what also occurred in Africa? No polio until the vaccine and them whamo!!!! Polio galore.
Yeah, Gates especially. They were meant ot denature the polio disease pathogen but “forgot” and straight injected it. good for DePOp
Every disease has an incubation period, including measles. If you got measles the very next day after vaccination, all it proves is that you were already infected when you got the vaccine. The incubation period of measles is between 7 to 14 days, with 10-11 days being the most common interval. So, my friend when you got the measles shot you had already been exposed to the measles virus at least 6 days prior.
Is that a theory or a law?
So the incubation waited exactly the day after I took the vaccine and said, Hello!
LOL
I take it it’s a theory.
Please do a google search and read up on “incubation period” on a good scientific/medial site. Incubation period is the scientifically proven time that germs/viruses need to replicate and spread in your body counting from the time a virus/germ entered your body. The incubation period of a human being is 7 to 10 months, the most common being 9 months: it takes on average 9 months for a fertilized egg to develop into a human baby. The incubation period of the measles virus is 7 to 14 days. It takes at least 7 days from first entry into your body to develop into measles disease. Take care of your health by getting some knowledge.
Its plausible he did indeed get a bad vaccine that contained too strong of an already mature virus. Meaning it didn’t need incubation time. This happens.
Antibody Dependent Enhancement
Oh, and why didn’t the vaccine kill the incubated bad boy?
So I guess the vaccine doesn’t work.
Or do you have another THEORY as to why.
We see something similar happening with Covid now. Often immediately after vaccination people get the disease. My guess is that at such a time the body was already successfully fighting some infection. But the vaccin is then overwhelming it what from the immunity system’s point of view looks like the same. As the vaccination is very strong a very light infection can in such a situation grow out to the full disease.
Read this
And Geert is definitely not an idiot
https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/
Obviously. Vaccination is the way of spreading what they are suppose to take care. It is not a secret and and prepared Doctor with honesty inside his soul know it. But the truth cannot take off
The polio vaccines (both Salk and Sabine) were documented to have given people Polio, resulting in permanent paralysis, and even death. Here is a court case whee a Pfizer Polio vaccine made a woman into a permanent quadraplegic. Pfizer was indemnified for the damage, by the US government, so that is who got sued and lost.
https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/FSupp/351/10/2594912/
Thalidomide was given to pregnant women (not a vaccination) in order to prevent nausea. I’m not sure how you co-relate that to Covid 19, other than a generalized fear of medical science.
Trusting big pharma with developing a safe, effective, ground breaking and revolutionary vaccine for the good of the people in a fraction of the time it normally takes is like trusting the military industrial complexe to develop hypersonic missiles that work, are under budget, are reliable, etc in the next 6 months. In short, big pharma has no credibility. Note that I am not talking about Russian or Chinese vaccines but these are irrelevant to us in any case since we won’t have access to them here in North America.
Looking at stats I have access to, I note that covid has had a mortality rate of less than 0.3% in a highly vulnerable population (not long term care home). Yes, you read that figure correctly. Given the choice of catching covid or being inoculated by these “vaccines”, I would take my chances with covid. I “might” take my chances with sputnik but again, I don’t have that choice.
I totally agree with your post & you’re spot on re the mortality rate. It is not much more than during a bad flu season when many older people succumb to respiratory illnesses. Average of death is usually over 80. I’m 77 this year & my wife is 67 witha hart problem. Neither of us will be taking an experimental vaccination – we will rely on our own immune system. I have the time & have researched widely & it is apparent there is another agenda being acted on to shut down the World the way they done -destroying small business & allowing big business to thrive (in the main).
Herein lies the problem for anyone who questions the official COVID-19 narrative. We are living in a time where rational inquiry itself is under attack. It seems that to question the validity of COVID-19 is verboten. Yet clearly, there are justifiable reasons for doing so. The fake moral outrage of the mainstream media, fact checkers and professional “debunkers,” is a defence mechanism and a propaganda technique. It isn’t designed to combat the claims of a relatively small group of sceptics; its purpose seems to be to stop the much larger group of somewhat sceptical people looking at the evidence.
A factual site that puts this together with full links is https://swprs.org/ Swiss Policy Research
I admire & respect Mr Putin & believe he is probably the best current World leader. I live in Australia & despise our part in the 5 eyes & our despicable Govt’s need to do USA bidding. Reading the intro to this segment of Saker I feel that Putin may feel it necessary to “go along” with whats been decreed in most of the Western world. So many Medical experts are being silenced & NO discussion on MSM is allowed -that’s full on suspicious. As is the fact that Never before in history has mass vaccination occured “during” a Pandemic. I don’t believe this is a Pandemic – it’s more like a Plannedemic to see how far they can go to install obedience. To wear masks etc that don’t work outside of full medical grade protection -Dr. Theodore Noel explains the facemask aerosol issue ( Under 3 min Video ) https://tinyurl.com/nmfb9czk
Thalidomide was the UK-licensed version of German drug Contergan used by pregnant women to counter morning sickness and had ZERO to do with polio
I was trying to make the point that we queued for a drug we didn’t know anything about; shortly thereafter another drug we didn’t know anything about was a disaster. Where are we now?
Polio vax was F’ed up until 1963 or so. A bad batch of millions of doses. Cancer and other stuff ensued. I’m looking for a link I saw just the other day. I was given that shot prior to our family’s deployment to Clark AFB.
Be cautious as much as you want but do not turn your caution into a quasi religious belief and start collecting followers.
Thalidomide was given to prevent morning sickness for pregnant women, not as a Polio vaccine.
I remember a clear line between my generation of polio vaccinated, and the slightly older people who had been born before vaccination. There were a lot of leg braces still about then.
Polio had been a curse on humanity for generations though, I’d go with US bio warfare attack gone wrong for C19.
You don’t build bio labs around the world like Uncle Shmuel did, without getting a return on it.
If it looks like a duck and all that.
In short my son was almost killed by the DPT vaccine. At the hospital his pediatrician was a big shot and denied the vaccine was at fault. They tortured my son with test after test until an intern pulled us aside and said they would never admit what the vaccine caused. He told us to get our son out of the hospital and never come back which is what we did. We will always remember that intern and thank him for his humanity.
I am not anti-vaccine but after analyzing mRNA vaccines and just how dangerous it is we decided never to take it. We would take a non-mRNA vaccine like Sputnik-V but US elites will not allow that inside the US.
If you’re a scientist, as you claim, then perhaps you should KNOW that the polio vaccine was never associated with Thalidomide, which was a drug prescribed to pregnant women to combat morning sickness.
(manufactured by a German company as I recall)
Seriously!
I’m a Doctor working in Brasil. Please, belive me, THERE IS a big pandemic, I lost a lot of pacientes ( around 18) in a public hospital already. Most of them around 45 years old. Not only elders are dying. Vaccines are helping even when they are not totaly capable to avoid developing the COVID19 but avoid 99% of the deaths.
Dear Maria
Thank you for your testimony! I also know about this since I have friends in Argentina and Brazil. The pandemic is even getting worse in Russia (tourism season). I personally know of several people who died, others who have lifelong disabilities because of this virus.
This being said, I would trust Russian vaccines much MUCH more than western Big Pharma ones. However, many people don’t have access to Russian and Chinese vaccines so they have no other choice than this stark one: Big Pharma vaccines or take a very serious risk (if not for them, then for others!).
That is a profoundly personal choice which each person must do in his/her conscience and after conferring with his/her family.
Stay safe!
One word for Brazil and Russia (and the world):
IVERMECTIN
Mexico and India have used it successfully. Plenty of medical papers have proven its accuracy in fighting the virus. 48 hours and all symptoms are gone. No need for experimental vaccines.
and you are qualified to recommend this med why exactly?
One cousin (in bad shape for 2 weeks with Covid), one friend, and 2 nephews had Covid. All took Ivermectin. And guess what? All got healed. And they don’t live in the US, btw.
My sister’s father in law was going to get the vaxx, and I told him about Ivermectin and he went and ask his doctor who confirmed it. So he opted out of the vaxx .
Besides, your question reeks of condescension. Why don’t you do a research on Ivermectin and find out for yourself.
I already did.
as for you, I just wondered about your qualifications to make such categorical pronouncements
relax dude, put some music on, take a nice walk…
cheers
Dear Saker
I think it is you who should take a walk with some music on. It is you who are recommending experimental gene therapies. We would like to see your expertise and qualifications on the matter. Ivermectin is no experimental drug at least.
Ivermectin has a decades long safety profile from use in literally billions of people, many scientific papers supporting its efficacy for off-label covid use, and data from doctors currently using it in the treatment of thousands of patients cumulatively, including efficacy for their using it themselves as a preventative as they treat their covid patients. Its additional benefit (and possible downside re the pharmaceutical industry) is its low cost.
I have spent 35 years in the field of clinical research and am an expert in FDA regulations. Per their guidelines, they cannot give emergency approval to a treatment for a disease that has an effective cure, thus the seeming need for them to downplay and repress Ivermectin.
Tragically, hundreds of thousands of lives were lost because of this suppression.
Unnecessary end quip removed, mod
Dear Saker,
In your article you stated; “(the only thing I am sure of is that it was not a leaked bio-weapon).
Believe me, had it been a bio-weapon then it definitely would not have been leaked!
Ippograteorg.org
Saker, You are also making “categorial” statements about the vaccination, using names of political leaders as proof/rationale. So, would it be fair to ask for what are your qualification for raising this as a discussion agenda with a ‘slant’ towards where everyone should go? Also why don’t to paste the links to your research findings that indicates the ivermectin is NOT effective in controlling death rates for C19 infected. I hope you take this comment in the right spirit.
Hi. The day is not far away when you will regret this stance of yours. I hope by then you would have become more benevolent.
agree entirely harry.
There are many qualified scientists and doctors who recommend ivermectin (like from the FLCCC). Many countries who use it as treatment policy. Knowing when and where these policies were introduced, and comparing this with worldometer data gives very strong trends.
I took the Pfizer vaxx this spring, but had a very mild course of covid last fall, and was very happy that I had ordered ivermectin as a precaution, since I’m 67and overweight.
Weak reply Saker, really weak. How about you go argue with Dr Kory (flccc.net) or Dr Borody (out of Australia) who are world class and have great accomplishments in their careers. Do you think we just figured this out ourselves?
My Ivermectin experts have beaten up your experimental gene therapy experts royally.
I feel like a caveman in a Geiko advertisement: “Next time, maybe do a little research”.
How about you go argue with Dr Kory (flccc.net) or Dr Borody (out of Australia) who are world class and have great accomplishments in their careers
Why should I do that?! I don’t have an opinion to offer and I sure won’t argue with those who are qualified.
But, unlike the two persons you mention, I did not know what qualifications, if any, Harry Stantz had. So I asked him.
If that ruffles his/your feathers, that is entirely your problem (I am not the one claiming an expertise and don’t have)
I never claimed to be an expert either. I merely relied, as I clearly wrote, on medical papers published and on the proven successes of various countries using it.
Dear Saker
It is clear your feathers got ruffled. Just like you presented some politicians these guys can also present ivermectin studies and specialists
Why dont you show some credentials
And why you call this topic Dissenters. Have you looked at a vaccine passport.
We have all read the interviews with Dr Kory and Dr Borody among many others. To ask such a silly question as you did “and you are qualified to recommend this med why exactly?” is just a blatant appeal to authority (i.e. the authority of YOUR experts).
Well fine. What “authority” experts have you relied on for your position? Ivermectin for example has 31 RCT studies, 99 studies in total, 62 peer reviewed, 60 with results comparing treatment and control groups. Spectacular results.
Plus none of the Ivermectin studies have refused to release the raw data like Moderna & Pfizer with their experimental gene therapy treatments.
For an analyst your angle on this is incredibly weak. I was expecting better.
Hello Saker, are you surprised with the comments against the jab? I don’t see to many taking your side. Have a nice day.
and you are qualified and why?
Are you qualified to recommend experimental vaccines Saker? At least he is not recommending experimental vaccines.
Here are the protagonists in ancient disguise and here are some of the results. Just understand that the Kovidians have been around for a long time and to watch this video you may recognize some of the top quallified scientists as actors in this satire. Draw your own conclusions as to my preferences.
The Barbarians vs the Kovidians. A story from ancient Rome that also involves the Confuscians.
https://youtu.be/q7Mx2mNbflI
Hi Saker – there are plenty of Medical specialists who have had great results using Ivermectin early in the treatment of patients with Covis-19. They have written from personal experience & it is unlikely that they are clutching at straws. I submit the following as being professionally linked to facts. https://tinyurl.com/s4b65v6x “Ivermectin: Prophylaxis & Early Outpatient Treatment Protocol for COVID-19 | Updated June 2021”
You are qualified to pose this snarky question—with its unstated presumption that the commenter has no qualification to make his comment—why, exactly?
You haven’t informed yourself on the relationship between Emergency Use Authorization and the (un)availability of effective treatments why, exactly?
Pardon the snark, but just mirroring.
Katherine
Dear Saker, thank you for your writeup.
In your reply to Harry you are shooting messenger who actually brings good news (personal attack removed, mod)
Harry is coveying message which orginates from trustworthy academia who’s career was often dented or destroyed for voicing positive results of Ivermectin contrary to the dictated narrative.
PS: just for laughs, I use Ivermectin periodically on my pets.
just for laughs, now they are using humans as guinea pigs with mRNA which has failed in tests with animals.
Ivermectin works! I don’t trust the leadership!
https://www.globalresearch.ca/ivermectin-success-battling-covid-19/5748935
https://www.globalresearch.ca/why-hydroxychloroquine-ivermectin-being-officially-suppressed/5744926
https://www.globalresearch.ca/more-good-news-ivermectin/5745881
https://www.globalresearch.ca/covid-deaths-plunge-major-world-city-introduces-ivermectin/5746746
There is a prescribed heirarchy of treatments for any condition
i) An accepted drug specifically targetting the condition
ii) An accepted drug where the condition is treated, but use is ‘off label’
…
xxx) An untested experimental drug never used on humans before
Ivermectin is ii) mRNA covid ‘vaccines’ are xxx). Ivermectin is also off-patent so Big Pharma would lose out bigly if Ivermection was allowed. Big Pharma has spent mucho deniro buying its way to total legal immunity over ‘vaccine’ use to allow that to happen.
India was using Ivermectin quite happily and successfully until early 2021 until it was convinced/coreced to go the experimental drugs route. Deaths rose dramaticallyshortly afterwards but as long as Big Pharma is enriched, all is good.
He’s probably not qualified, nor am I. But then neither are you, and many highly qualified doctor, scientists and researchers are echoing Harry’s sentiments, and a large and growing number of clinical studies (some of the RCT gold-standard category) have confirmed/are confirming the stunning effectiveness of Ivermectin in early, mid and late stages of the disease. Patients in New York have won cases in the Supreme Court of New York based on this data to force their Hospitals to allow them to receive this drug; they have survived and fully recovered. The arguments you present are all based upon a classical logical fallacy – appeal to authority. Your authorities are all politicians – this category includes Fauci, Baric, and the directors of the CDC and WHO, and all of the major medical associations who have benefited from large grants from the Gates Foundation. Candor is a tool employed sparingly and with great caution by all politicians, excepting Donald Trump, Vladimir Zhirinovsky and Rodrigo Duerte. There are good reasons for this caution, but in the end, the truth will out. Wait for it.
Oh yes, he is onto something. I had covid like symptoms, took the Ziverdo pack at 11pm and was able to do early morning work appointment the following day. Blood O2 rose from 92 to 98 by the end of the protocol. You can check it out at http://www.cureforcovid.world
All the coroboration is on the website.
:-)
I had Covid and took Ivermectin. Symptoms do not disappear in 48 hours, but they are certainly reduced.
Bonjour to all.
The pandemic is real.
If Argentina (my country of origin), Cuba, Russia and China says there is a pandemic, then there is a pandemic.
To dissent with them, while seeing people dying of Covid-19 around me, puts you in the crowd which believes the earth is flat, reptilian aliens are controlling the world, etc..
I agree that there are serious concerns about vaccines which have only emergency approval.
To remain un-vaccinated, at my age (over 60) is asking for serious trouble.
I opted for AstraZeneca, since it is the only vector vaccine available in France.
I had two shots without issues, so did my wife. We might still get Covid-19, but it will keep us out of the ICU.
The Universidad Nacional de Buenos Aires researched 400.000 vacinated people over 60 in Argentina, showing that Sputnik & AZeneca reduces mortality by 90%.
Having said above, I am fully aware that the West is using the pandemic to curtail the few freedoms left.
Get vaccinated with vector vaccines and resist,as good as you can, whatever fascism the elites try to impose.
Cheers from France
This is the same kind of vaccine fascism…..I say that for the condescending cracks about lizard people that you use, and the other insults you hurl……that are exactly the same, the go to place for a..holes in America. I lived on a hippie commune once and on a forum of people I had known for decades said I was afraid…..and all I got was the exact same Pharma-fascism BS you dish out. Next it will be I am a Trump supporter. We are not idiots for having anxiety. My point here, is your statements conclude that you are NO doctor. You do not live in Argentina or France, more likely Langley, Virginia and the “hospital” you work for doesn’t out and out say CIA at the entrance. Stuff your insults. I don’t believe you at all. A real doctor wouldn’t, and no one can, shame someone into kissing your vaccine. What a wonderful bedside manner, Bill Cosby!
Cliff Huxtable
I do not live in France? More likely in Langley, Virginia?
Thanks God this blog will return to moderation soon!
Cheers from France.
What you say is true buy my family and I happen to know MORE people that died of the vaccine than the virus.
My posting makes reference to Sputnik & AZeneca.
Name here now the list of people you actually know which died of full vaccination of AZeneca or Sputnik.
Lets see if you are not a troll.
Dear Saker: Thanks for the opportunity to air this matter here. It does you credit. So many of the people who believe in this scam simply refuse to allow any dissidents to post on their sites. You at least offer a discussion forum. I salute your principled honesty.
May I suggest that you are mistaken to say that the choice is just between two stark alternatives: take the insufficiently-tested, experimental poison-stabs (thousands dead of them already, according to official government figures: CDC-VAERS in US, ONS in Britain, EudraVigilance in EU; lesser, but often still very serious adverse effects already in the millions!); or risk a severe illness which could kill you, and if not you, others whom you infect through your own irresponsibility. This dichotomy is incomplete. There are other approaches too. I’ll describe mine:
Last year, whilst still only 79, I was infected. I live and eat prudently, and have no seriously debilitating vices (tobacco, booze, etc), so my immune system is still pretty strong. But also, being a fanboy of Andrew Saul’s truly excellent ‘Doctoryourself.com’ website, I use large-dose vitamin C as both prophylactic and cure, for many ills, very much including respiratory diseases. My record so far is almost thirty years never having been ill with colds or flu. Every year they try it on with me; every year, as soon as I feel the first early-warning symptoms, I up my daily C dose from two to three grams of timed-release tablets to *at least* 30 grams – sic! – of sodium ascorbate *per day* in water, stirred and sipped every half-hour, round the clock. (The ascorbate form is milder-tasting than ascorbic acid itself, and very easy on the stomach.)
My normal annual experience is that the early-warning symptoms vanish overnight. Last year, when I got the covid-flu it took three days of 30 grams a day; 90 in total. (Btw, there is no known lethal dose of C, despite some extremists taking huge doses, to no ill effect beyond C-heavy urine.) On this occasion, banishing all symptoms took longer, but the very worst I could say of the time was that I was really only very slightly under the weather, and taking it easy in a warm place. Absolutely nothing worse than that. You know, the way you coddle a bout of flu; though in this case it wasn’t even that bad. And now I’m long-term, balanced, naturally immune, and – despite the recently-invented lying canard of ‘asymptomatic super-spreaders’ – I can’t infect anyone else. I’m well, and not infectious.
People have to be terror-blinded not to see that there is something very strange going on around the covid-flu panic. Yes indeed, there’s a novel flu pathogen about (whatever it is, ‘virus’ or whatever); and yes indeed, it’s killing a few, as flus do every year – though apparently not much more than usual, when you dig into all-cause mortality figures. It seems to be really rotten for those who get it badly. I know of one consultant doctor in a London hospital, a middle-aged man of my long-time acquaintance, whose testimony I trust absolutely, who was desperately ill for weeks, and feared at one time that he might die. He had a classic case of long covid, and still isn’t fully over the after effects.
So yes, there’s something nasty about. Where it came from, and whether it had been tampered with, are still unsettled questions. No, that really ISN’T settled fact, Andrei. Once again, there are fully-qualified professionals on both sides of the argument.
But despite these apparent truths, it’s still also true that some people somewhere have been running a huge scam on the back of this not-outstandingly-dangerous pathogen. People really have to be *wilfully* terror-blinded not to see that. I think that I can see some of the people who are involved; consigliere Tony Fauci, and Gates for example. But I’m still unclear about the ‘why’ question. Sureashell, though, some bunch of chancers is running a scam on this. And yes, this scam, together with the genuinely nasty effects of the flu on the less robustly-healthy sufferers, has suckered a lot of people, many of whom really ought to know better, including the leaders whom you list. But it’s simply not true that there are no highly-qualified professionals who deny the official picture of the ‘pandemic’. There are a whole lot. And it’s very telling that they have legion stories of being censored, rubbished by – hah! – ‘fact checkers’, threatened with loss of licence to practice, loss of income, loss of standing in society, and so on.
Why?
If ‘the science’ is conclusive and honest, why the need to persecute and silence the dissident professionals? It’s not as if this alleged plague is really all that lethal, behind the outrageously massaged figures. And whilst we’re at it, why the organised effort to hide or to rubbish the half-dozen or so mild and strikingly effective treatments which both prevent covid, and treat those who get it. Apart from C, I’d highlight the equally-stellar performance of ivermectin, strikingly well-proven by frontline clinicians treating patients, and getting them better quickly and easily. But there are others also, equally effective. There’s really no need for this illness to be much worse than any seasonal flu. Highly-effective, mild, already long proven safe cures and preventatives have been developted by front-line doctors in many places over the past year and a half. So why are they being suppressed? A clear crime against humanity.
Why have most people either not been allowed to hear about this, or have heard only rubbishing lies about the genuine cures? The Permanent Bullshit Blizzard of the Anglozionst lamestream media doing its criminal stuff as usual, along with the pocket politicians.
Despite the reality – and the rather moderate – lethality of this flu (over 99.9% recovery rate pretty firmly established), something else – a Big Lie swindle – is going on around it. And that something smells really, REALLY bad.
Face it, Andrei: it isn’t either/or; it’s both.
Once again, congratulations for having the honesty to allow the dissidents space to put their arguments rationally. Shame there are so few places run as honourably as this one. Respect Andrei! And, despite your error over this matter, I continue to read your website, still regarding it as one of the very best around.
Yours, – RhG
Vitamin C is good. Whenever I feel a sore throat coming on I take it, with perfect results. So I think this works for me. No one’s singular experience with Vitamin C and COVID-19 proves anything. The SARS-CoV2 virus is a new and potent virus. Your “99.9% recovery rate” is foolish, since the fatality from infection varies enormously with age. Indeed, in Niger where 2.6% of the population is over 65 — the median age is 15.15 years — the infection fatality rate for COVID-19 is just 0.16% (99.84% recovery rate). Are you from Niger? In the country with the oldest age profile, Japan, the infection fatality rate is 2.1% (97.9% recovery rate). In the UK, where you seem to be, it’s 1.3% (98.7% recovery rate). Etc. These data were for the original Wuhan strain. Later strains are somewhat more fatal.
Someone can shrug off the difference between 99.9% and 98.7%. What’s a factor of 13× among small risks in life? Christian Drosten pegged the fatality of the SARS-CoV2 virus at 16× that of the seasonal flu virus. 16× also doesn’t sound earth-shaking. But to a public health official, 16× can represent the difference between a hospital system’s coping and not. To a government, the hospital system’s not coping can spell the end of that government, even the political system. The panicked reactions of governments worldwide came from recognition that full-scale epidemic of a 1% fatal disease is incompatible with their modes of society.
The global age distribution implies an infection fatality rate of 0.58% (99.42% recovery rate), again for the original Wuhan strain. Everyone catching COVID-19 and 45 million dying doesn’t cut it. So there is strong desire amongst the majority of people to be vaccinated.
Almost everyone in this comment swarm refusing vaccination should expect to catch COVID-19 during the next few years. For a 79 year old the infection fatality rate is 9.0% (91.0% recovery rate), again for the original Wuhan strain. He’ll probably live. Maybe he’s already beaten the virus once. I honor bravery, but don’t see playing Russian Roulette as brave.
How about kidney stones with such enormous vitamin C intake?
Both Russia dn China have a better reputation within health than West. Im thinking of EMF rays where the limits are 1000 higher with protection gears etc developed. This kind of reputation contribute to building up trust.
I have a very clear memory from my early childhood in Belgium: a young man in a wheel chair, having polio, still a horrible memory after all those years. Later the images of the contergan children, no legs, no arms-or barely, my horrified German mother showed us the German newspapers.
Then my life working with herbs, essential oils, many anti vax friends but my children still got tetanus vaccine (exposure to organic gardening with horse manure). We refused most other vaccins, difficult here in France, giving home schooling helped avoiding pressure.
Then covid arrived: a friend here , anti vax, died suffocating (he was old but healthy), his last words he told me before getting covid was saying he did not believed in covid or masks, he was not afraid. His wife, a former naturopath barely survived, but an old cancer came back, her weight is less than 4O kg now. Most of my friends and clients are antivax, some theories they mail me are really weird. I studied the info in the different languages I use, there is a lot of wrong science there.
Plenty of friends/ clients got covid, suffered a lot.
It took my son, a docter, a lot of work and study to convince us to get vaccinated , I’m still angry sputnik is outlawed here. And yes, the government is corrupt, banned treatments, I agree.
My wife and me having allergies, she almost got into schock wit a former tetanos shot, we used homeopathy and our essential oils before and after the covid shot, it helped well.
Everybody has to evaluate his/her personal risks and make a choice, many can make it with herbs, essential oils, vit D and ivermectin, but not all of us.
Are you familiar with Dr Peter McCullough, professor of Medicine and Vice Chief of Internal Medicine at Baylor University’s work? I would certainly hope so!! If not why not? I would advise you to listen to his story .
Also Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi, Professor Emeritus of Medical Microbiology at the Johannes Gutenberg University Mainz, to learn about the dangers of the mRNA gene therapy .
Then Dr. Michael Yeadon , former Chief Scientist and Vice-President of Pfizer Respiratory & Allergy Research, who worked for over 30 years in the pharmaceutical industry is also a voice of caution and deep understanding .
Again these are world class experts And I personally would put far more weight on their understanding than that of any political leader .
Certainly any faith I might have had in Putin was destroyed , and yes it certainly raises questions …. but not ones we can actually answer with anything other than guesses . So I dont propose to guess at his motivations .
My final question woukd be , if your not deeply familiar with these voices and others like Dr Roger Hodgkinson pathologist, virologist and the Chairman of a biotechnology company , i would ask why ?!?
Thanks, WRFB. That’s exactly my point, too.
I’m not with Putin on this one. And not with the Saker, obviously.
i’ve had covid so i believe it exists. but i also from the beginning believed it was a bioweapon. i believe that’s why china was so well prepared. & why russia had a vaccine ready. i believe they knew it was the deranged mafia’s next last attempt before full on war. i believe neither xi nor putin will come out & state it’s a bioweapon b/c they both, as with all members of the axis of resistance, know that begins the full on war—full on nuclear—& they all, every member, know they are winning & the struggle with the deranged mafia is all but over—the deranged mafia is losing & cannot win. putin said we can sink the ship & they will do nothing b/c they cannot. bt if he or xi or nasrallah say it’s a bioweapon out of fort detrick it’s war. so they continue to wait, protect & ensure the caravan moves on. the choice is that crucial. we are in the midst of biowarfare. this probability isn’t new. it’s been gamed & studied as an option for years.
and truth be known, this is a tame version. They have tons of weaponized smallpox and ebola
I suppose you do realise that the Russian vaccine is NOT an mrna vaccine and in no way gene altering. It is not without its risks however, but it is not the great feared gene therapy which is the Pfizer or Moderna jabs.
The Chinese vaccine is also old style technology and not gene altering.
The Russian vaccine interests me because unlike its western counterparts (J & J and Austrozeneca) I have not heard reports of blood clotting. To be honest I am not sure if this is being covered up in some way or if the vaccine has less protein spike and is perhaps less effective. However theoretically it should be a great vaccine.
Dear WRFB,
In regards to VV Putin; please pause for a moment and consider his position. The covid is in Russia, and it has to be dealt with, and Russia I believe have been able to accomplish that.
But is there any value in opposing what the UN and others have stated in regard to the pandemic? To do so would simply give ammunition to his detractors, so Putin will play the game, and at the same time protect Russia and his Russians. That is his job after all and he has done that.
The game, what exactly is that ? Specifically in relation to’ vaccines’ clearly and evidentially its not about a respiratory virus . So then what is the motivation ? Sterilization? A mass cull of useless eaters? Tracking ? ? Trillions of dollars ? The introduction of the new world order police state technocracy ? All of the above ?
Any of those aims have a position a moral human would support ?
Please WRFB,
What is the first emotion that is being created by this pandemic or plandemic if you so wish? It is fear.
What else do we see? The mandatory wearing of masks. Why?? It is well known that the masks are incapable of protecting the wearer, so what could be the real reason? To signify conformity perhaps, And could this be why policemen and rabid ignoramuses attack those not wearing their masks? It could be. Has this been planned? Of course by experts within the United Nations and its WHO.
And you may also notice the many similarities between this pandemic and the epidemic known as the Spanish Flu that occurred 100 years ago. Is this a coincidence? I would imagine that it is not a coincidence.
What else happened 100 years ago, especially after WW1? Have you considered the various Bolshevik uprisings throughout Europe? Could these be played out again? And then of course there was that Spanish Civil war, could that be related to the events occurring in America today? It is a thought.
And then what of the ‘Lockdowns that are also occurring? Have you ever considered them as concentration camps? The internment of opposition first used in the Boer War and then used by the German government prior to and during WW2.
And nobody here has mentioned the rate of suicides; I wonder why. That is another factor that is being kept secret, but they are occurring and apparently in larger than expected numbers.
But there is one thing that is certain, and that is gun control. The ‘lone-nut’ gun massacres were successful in the UK, but not in Australia where the federal government didn’t have the power until little Johnny Jackboots forced the States to follow his agenda in May of 1996, but that was only partially successful, as the treaty the Billy Clinton wanted with Australia didn’t come about. Remember Hilary with her thoughts on the Australian answer to gun control and the advise form the anti-gunner Philip Alpers?
Back in 1996 the UN desired that the whole world would hand in their firearms to kerb violence, and even the New South Wales State Attorney stated that once the civilians had been disarmed then there would be no reason for the New South Wales Police to be armed, and suddenly a whole shipload of Glock handguns vanished from the Sydney docks.
And of course there was never any explanation of the memorandum from the Australian Federal government to the United Nations in January of 1996, that stated Australia would be implementing the required gun laws in May, but the only way those laws could have been implemented was via the Port Arthur Massacre in April of 1996.
And then there is that final consideration. Conspiracies have always been planned by men , never Gods; thus when these plans are put into operation, frequently things go wrong, go wrong, go wrong!
And perhaps that is what is occurring today; things may not be going to plan, which may also explain the remarks made by the Chinese Foreign Affairs Minister last year, when he cracked it.
Did I mention hippie commune earlier? Radio station WRFB? Was Radio Free Beatnik. I won’t blow your cover.
Youve lost me there ?! Its fair to say that whatever your idea is or connection youve made is incorrect … ahh i see what your talking about … no WRFB are the innitials of my name .
“Certainly any faith I might have had in Putin was destroyed”
I am with you bro. That and that lingerring Russian central bank connection to BIS.
Hypothetical question arrises, are we looking at monolythic entity here and say British navy breach of RF border is dog and ponny show?
S75ponny
Having researched this exhaustively as a layman, I support your citation of these leading scientists/doctors, and I would add another from my own country, Professor Dolores Cahill – https://dolorescahill.com/pages/about
https://people.ucd.ie/dolores.cahill
Too many important questions are being asked by unquestionable experts, who are being cancelled on social media and defamed whenever they question the orthodoxy. Similarly, I never see any of these experts who question the official line being interviewed on mainstream media.. This is the first time in my life that I have not seen all sides of a debate represented in the media, especially in the Irish State owned media which is supposed to be independent of commercial bias.
A variant of option 3. I think Putin is telling the truth as best he sees it based on “expert” advice. If he’s fed false information by people with option 3 objectives from a subject he can’t verify himself…
I guess you could call this “the king needs new advisors” approach, common in history. Long live the King, but throw Thomas Wentworth, the Earl of Stafford to the wolves.
Which I guess actually moves it to option 1 – we know better.
Okay, that is a circular argument: the evidence that Putin gets bad advice is that he is pro-vaccines and since Putin is pro-vaccines, he must be advised by bad experts.
If basic logic is an issue for you, are you sure that calling Russian experts idiots/liars should be your first priority?
Just saying…
Cheers!
PS: Putin can very much verify any info he is fed, he has the tools for that (but that is a topic for another day)
I’m a 90% Putin fan (10% off because he’s still a man with flaws, like us all).
But, let’s think.
Russia came out as the first country to make a vaccine, so how would it look if all of a sudden he said vaccines are not really necessary since Ivermectin does such a bang-up job in killing the virus?
So Putin and Russia have a lot riding on their vaccine (i.e., their reputation). And if there were to put a gun to my head to choose a vaccine, I would also choose the Russian one because I don’t trust American BIG PHARMA.
Still, Russia and Putin (and all the other leaders jumping on the vaccine bandwagon) have said nothing about Ivermectin nor in giving their people a choice in the matter: Possible healing (Ivermectin) or possible prevention (vaccine).
In that, I’m disappointed.
And whether they did it out of ignorance, malfeasance, or otherwise only God knows.
Covid-19 has compounded the Russian government’s determination to push on with its localization agenda. They make their own therapeutics and have a range of those for Covid treatment. In fact, one of them is free for outpatient treatment and is called Avifavir. There is another that I read about, Levilimab or Ilsira and a bunch more.
Essas pessoas falam de ivermectina e dizem que leram estudos mas nunca citam e viver nesse mundinho de negacionismo fajuto ja deu.
Dear sir,
In western parlance, it is called Conflict of Interest.
Saker is not being truly neutral. Even the name of this writeup is so biased.
He brings Putin as his proof of being rational. That is as good as he can get.
He is not able to satisfy the basic issues that cause people to opt out.
So he simply labels them dissenters and uses derogatory language with readers he does not even know – sensing off some on walks while listening to music and telling others their feathers are ruffled.
Saker don’t lose your credibility over an issue that you have zero expertise in.
Just like you chose to believe Putins opinion, others also have a right to believe in ivermectin data.
So it is you who is a “Dude” who should chill, take a walk with some music for it seems it is you whose feathers seem to have been ruffled.
You dont sound convincing Saker. You sound biased and disrespectful.
Could not agree more. This is the first comment I have ever made on the Internet.
This is one of very few sites I read regularly. I don’t agree with all of the articles but the commentary makes the visits worth while.
The Saker is usually informed, intelligent, insightful and respectful.
Its clear on this topic he has no real argument. Is cherry picking the info he likes and agrees with and is unusually insulting and dismissive of others.
I don’t trust big pharma.
I will not be taking any vaccine.
I am a Pugtin fan but do not trust anyone 100%.
I would agree with the comments above that Pugin, Xi and the others now the game but can only say so much at this point.
Irrelevant of any facts. To be injected with something should be my choice and mine only.
I find it strange that the Saker feels the need to push his opinion on us. If he wants the vaccine, take it. I disagree but can respect that. I wish he felt the same.
I will be interested to see if he can climb down from his condescension and demeaning attitude on this.
If not. I think he may have ulterior motives on this.
Compromised maybe?
Mr. Saker is, I believe, generally a truthful person who pursues the truth. However, he is in a tricky position, because he wants very much to keep his resident status. He knows he is being monitored. This article is his public statement that he supports the government narrative re covid vax; his way to let the Authorities know he’s not a dissident anti-vaxxer.
@Lupine,
I respectfully disagree with you.
Mr. Saker has log established track integrity and wisdom and I dont belive he would publish an article just to upease some byrocrat for sake of his residency status. Same could be achieved by silence.
However if you by any chance were correct I wouldnt have reason to return here.
In his article he takes firm position as even the title suggests. A term “anti-vaxxer” if viewed from innert position sounds like vaccines are integral part of our biological existence which they are not!
Back to Mr. VVP subject, no doubts he taps into best intel there is and I am sure his past experience enables him to sift through fake advisors. So my previous concern i made is still valid, RF connection and possible subsurvience to BIS and now in accord with global vaccination.
After factoring in motivators such massive profits of western pharma vs. non-profit driven RF pharma (dont forget biolabs proximities) Mr. VVP confuses me.
S75ponny
OK, that makes sense.
And, I think I actually proposed something similar on an earlier thread.
So, kudos for the convincing performance, Mr. Saker.
You had me fooled!
And, the tone of The Saker’s post may well be a good barometer of the pressure he feels, or imagines.
Katherine
Bingo! You may have figured out why suddenly the saker is behaving so unkind and disrespectful, insecure even, out of character. Myriad responses have been offered supporting the case for Ivermectin, the concerns about the vax but he remains unmoved. Something very personal is undermining his usual respect for intelligence and facts.
I am Putin fan as well. He has currently to deal with very serious issues. The crazies are pushing for war with Russia, and at their home front, Covid19 is doing the business which at earlier times required a full fledged war, you know, martial law, disciplining the population, preparing them for sacrifices, and creating the sentiment of ongoing war (or something like that). I recommend to hear Goebbels Sportpalastrede (the one two weeks after his speech with the historical question: “Do you want total war?”). In that second speech, some weeks after Stalingrad, he announces a number of measures: Shutdown of restaurants and shops which are not necessary for basic daily needs. Shutdown of bars, pubs and taverns. Interdiction of sports in the public. Sounds familiar? No, no plague. He argues very frankly that these measures make no sense for themselves at all. But, he states, the population does not have the sensations of a nation being at war. His argument is that while the platoons at the front are eating shit and are dying, at home, daily life with its various pleasures is going on. He states that the people must feel the war in their daily life, and that this is the only reason for these measures. I remind you, after four years of bloody war, when fighting Russia (and hoping for US/UK collaboration as expected) finally turned sour.
So I think, Putin simply follows the old rule – never disturb your enemy when he is making mistakes -, and at the same time, some civil defense exercises and pushing vaccine development for just the case they have a special breed of this germ for Russia, both is wise. Why not surf on the top the media panic generated, but taking care that any damages by this discourse is mitigated for the own population? I consider his Covid19 posture as being more a parallel to the stance letting run the fifth column the the banking sector for a while, or keeping low profile in Syria, but making sure that the result will be beneficial for Russian interests. Covid19 is a complex game, you have big pharma, the promise of a new gene therapeutic technology which needs high risk taking human guinea pigs en masse for sorting out what works and what not, you have a big global economic crash taking place behind the scenes after kicking the can down the road with all dirty tricks since 2008 (remind you, such looming crashes historically usually resulted in a major war to sort out the mess, cancel the obligations, to subjugate and pauperize the masses, to push them at work for reconstruction while making sure that the fat remains swimming at the top). You have the pervasive IT technology, for the first time since centuries enabling the financial feasibility of economics dominated by slavery. You have the financial sector with blooming metastasis out of any proportion to reality awaiting the crash, and you have a unprecedented global geopolitical restructuring with extreme risks.
So actually, this “pandemic” is something marginal when looking at the facts. Facts are that the mortality rates the last two years are quite usual, even below the figures of the past decade in most countries if you adjust for changes of age cohorts size with their natural mortality rates. Facts are that there has been grossly negligent mistreatment during the first half year (too early intubation, risky vaccinations parallel to the beginning influenza wave, experimental medical treatment, impact of neoliberal destruction of public medical services over decades), but also intentional suppression of effective medications and serious overdosing of alternative medications (Chloroquine) up to lethal levels based on a mistaken (or manipulated) WHO recommendation. Fact is that the serious side effects of the experimental Covid19 jabs are exploding, surpassing by far the serious damages of all other previous vaccinations (and there are quite some nasty ones such as against meningococcal meningitis), and that the spike proteins produced by reprogramming the body cells as well as the cathodic lipids enveloping the mRNA payload are outright dangerous. We may well face a major public health policy disaster with thousands of deaths surpassing by far the damage done by the SARS-CoV.2 virus and its thousands of mutations (of course they exist, every virus with a respiratory transmission needs to do that to try to find a weak point in the immune system response). Fact is that the entire established media is in propaganda flooding mode, and censorship is rampant.
So this is a very complex issue, and I am sorry, the four options proposed by Saker may serve as a provocation only. There is a lot of serious and complex analysis to do, no simple solutions, sorry.
Very informative.Thanks.
Yes, the four “answers” are silly.
Katherine
Saker, I respect your opinion and that of other world leaders and I hope you and they would respect mine. I am in Australia and can only speak on the conditions here where vaccine rollout has been less than successful. Personally, I will not take the current mRNA or DNA vaccines currently available. This does not make me a dissident or anti-vaxxer, since I am more than willing to have a traditional vaccine with proven testing and efficacy. As far as I know the Sputnik V is of this variety and has none of the serious side effects found with the mRNA vaccines, so I would take it if it was available.
We all must think for ourselves and be able to make an informed decision on getting a vaccine or not. Unfortunately in Australia, all we hear is “get the jab, get the jab!” where serious side effects are minimized and most articles in the press and government are of a fear inducing nature. My primary reason for not taking the available vaccines is as follows:
1. The CDC VAERS system reports approximately 5000 deaths related to vaccines.
2 . The European Eurodata, similar to the CDC’s reports over 15000 deaths related to the vaccines.
3. In Australia, the manufacturers of the vaccines have been granted indemnity from liability and recently doctors have been provided with indemnity from liability. If these vaccines are save then it begs the question: WHY!
4. These mRNA and DNA vaccines have never, to the best of my knowledge, have ever been used on the human population before, which means there is no data on the long term effects they may have on the human body.
5. If one researches the statistics on recovery and deaths due to Covid, one finds the death rate is 0.017% and recovery is 99.7% where over 65 it is 97.4%. This suggest Covid is no more lethal than previous epidemics accept for its ease of contagion.
These are the main reasons, there are others, I have chosen not to get the jab at present, and it appears a majority of Australians may have a similar view. It does not make us dissidents or anti-vaxxers; it just causses us to refuse to act out of fear, but to think for ourselves and choose caution over risks.
Saker, there are 2 countries in Europe which did not follow the herd off the covid cliff, Sweden and Belarus. Both of them, to my knowledge, placed no restrictions on their citizens within their own borders, no masks, no distancing, no closing of businesses like restaurants, no banning of social gatherings and guess what… absolutely nothing happened. In fact the Swedish statistics for the year 2020 show less deaths than the average of the last 5 years. Our media either said Sweden was being incredibly stupid, some went as far as saying Swedes will be extinct by 2024, virtually all mention of Sweden has vanished from the media now. Not a peep after the numbers were released.
In Germany we were not allowed to visit friends and family, we have to wear a silly mask almost everywhere we go, we have to ‘social distance’, restaurants, theaters, museums, non essential shops were closed for most of 2020 and 2021 and the result… , 6% less deaths in 2020 than in 2019.
Not to mention they are constantly changing the story, last year in February, they said the R value needs to be below 1, it’s the infection rate, apparently, the number was above 1 in February, in March, when all the restrictions were imposed, the number was already below 1, so now it wasn’t the R value which had to go down but the number of positive tests per month, then that went down and now the number of positive tests per 100000 per week was tracked, values above 50 are highly dangerous! So they say. By the way, 50 devided by 100000 is a laughably low percentage, below most tests false positive rate.
In Germany they are closing hospitals for financial reasons and remove emergency beds for critical patients despite a “raging pandemic”, the latter statistic of emergency beds is used to instill yet more fear and panic, they say 90% of emergency beds are occupied, they never say the actual number, which went down by 50% since early 2020.
Add to that the fact that a shady NGO, the Robert Koch Institute, is “tracking” the numbers and is making no distinction between death by covid and death WITH covid, meaning everyone who tested positive up to 6 weeks earlier and then died of a car accident, suicide, gunshot or any other completely unrelated death, is still added to the list of covid victims… why? Why are they doing this?
Why are they showing gravely ill people, coffins and cemeteries in the background on the news when they talk about covid numbers? Why are they only giving you deaths and infected (again, no distinction between sick and tested positive) numbers without a reference point? Why are politicians like Merkel telling us that 70% of Germans will be infected? Or Austrias Kurz saying that in the end all of us will know somebody who died of covid. Why are they using images and language that is designed to generate maximum fear and panic when the opposite should be done during a pandemic?
The media have been caught lying a million times over on absolutely everything, why on earth do you think they aren’t lying about this? They used and still use to this day, images and videos of past events and tragedies and try to pass them off as results of covid. They used images from the 2013 Lampedusa shipwreck in Italy to scare us, they said all those coffins are covid victims, a lie. Most recently they used images from India involving gas in 2019, people had trouble breathing and had to lie down on the sidewalk because of the gas, the same images of people lying on the sidewalk are now being passed around to scare us of the so called delta variant, they say these people are dying like flies and bodies are pulling up on the sidewalk. I vividly remember you posting 2 images to try and convince us that this pandemic is absolutely real, because look, people in masks are digging graves for a lot of coffins! You had to correct it shortly after. One of the images showed the burial site in New York where unidentifiable bodies have been buried for years, but now that they are doing the same thing in masks was convincing you of the realness of this pandemic.
Why is every discussion on the matter forbidden? Why is this being used to justify wide spread censorship? Over 8000 YouTube channels have been banned over this, a lot more have had their source of income taken away.
Dr. John Ioannidis is one of the most, if not the most cited, living scientist on the planet, his research places covid around your average flu season in terms of mortality. Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi and Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg were instrumental in stopping the same thing happening now from happening in 2009 during the so called swineflu pandemic, after the WHO changed its guidelines on what constitutes a pandemic from a lot of sick and dead to a lot of suspected cases of a sickness. Germany bought 90 million vaccines against the swineflu back then, over 90% of which had to be destroyed because nobody wanted them. Many of those who took it experienced side effects, often grave, up to and including death. Sweden was in full panic mode doing the same thing we are doing now, masks, distancing, lockdown etc. they vaccinated a lot of people and have had to deal with the fallout from that to this day, some people became disabled as a result of this. That’s the reason they didn’t go along with it this time around. There are many people, doctors, virologists, experts, speaking out against this nonsense, you just don’t hear it because you aren’t listening, you are banning everyone from speaking about this on your blog and ignore everyone who is trying to kickstart your critical thinking.
I know a couple people who, apparently, had covid, those who went to the hospital either died or had a horrible experience, those who stayed home had something akin to a mild flu.
As for the PCR Test, it cannot be used for diagnosis, the inventor said so himself (by the way he died in 2019, so unfortunately, he isn’t around to restate it, not saying there was foul play, but it sure is convenient), and slowly but surely, it is being admitted to everywhere else that the test is worthless. In Frankfurt there is an institute of sciences, I forgot what it’s called, which prior to 2020 said that a PCR test which goes beyond 25 cycles is scientifically worthless, anything above 30 cannot be taken seriously. For those who don’t know, the PCR test works by taking a sample of DNA and then, by adding certain enzymes, the sample is multiplied, over and over again, doubled each cycle. The scientist then looks at the result and calculates the results back down to the sample. The covid PCR test goes through 45 cycles.
Bill Gates, the vaxlord, is being heralded as a savior for his engagement during this pandemic. He was allowed, for no reason what so ever, to go on German state TV for 10 minutes to scare people further, advertise his foundation which gets so much money from covid its insane, and to proclaim that we will only get back to normal once 7 billion people have been vaccinated. Who the hell is this guy to decide when we will get back to normal? By the way, it’s the same guy who said publicly, in a TED talk, that we need to reduce the population not BY, but TO 500 million people, in other words, he wants to reduce the world population by about 7 billion. The same guy and his foundation are banned from Kenia and India for administering vaccines to people years ago, over 90% of those treated then became infertile.
Another question is, if the goal is to stop this pandemic, why is the west not getting the Russian vaccine? It’s cheaper, has 0 known side effects, is not supply constrained because you do not buy the vaccine outright but the license to produce it using your own labs. Why are all vaccines except the one which Bill Gates is invested in, Biontech/Pfizer, being declared unsafe and banned? And just an FYI, nobody is saying the vaccines stop the disease, it apparently makes it a mild case when you get it, but you can still get sick, you can still infect others, you still need to wear a mask, you still need to distance yourself… so what exactly are these vaccines good for and how would the pandemic be over if we vaccinate everyone with this? It’s a story without an ending, all roads lead to lockdown, taking away rights, censorship and profit for big pharma.
Lastly, just check out Event 201. It was a pandemic dry run in late 2019 where a, surprise surprise, corona virus pandemic was simulated complete with fake news reports by real news channel hosts and anchors.
I hope you can now at least understand why some people are sceptical. There is good reason to be.
Previously to avoid the youtube sanction and sanctions elsewhere I made a video on the ‘speckeled monster’.
That medical bureaucratics create the ‘advice’ is not a security.
Speckled monster: was the ancient name for smallpox. Fauci satire ….Lady Mary Wortley Montague was responsible for the introduction of variolation in England smallpox, which severely disfigured her beautiful face. Charles Maitland royal license to perform a trial on six prisoners in Newgate on August 9, 1721 Washington: all his soldiers were variolated before beginning new military operations survivors of smallpox became immune to the disease cure: twelve bottles of small beer every twenty-four hours
The production of this world wide event may be gathering too much impetus.
https://youtu.be/rXvSuB03TpQ
Great comment
Danke für diesen genialen Kommentar
This whole vaccine thing evolves around the big elephant in the room that no one talks about, money.
The virus with an average death rate of less than 1% around the world, that has everyone panicked, is a dream come through for pharmaceutical companies around the world, and Russia is no exception.
No need to pretend that shit don’t stink in Russia, like anywhere else.
Usually, vaccine development and distribution take around 5-10 years for obvious reasons, mainly its long term effects…
These Covid-19 vaccines have already proven in the short term that they have some very bad effects on people. God knows what other effect there will be in 5-10 years time
OK, I burst out laughing Stuart. I’m sorry.
Now Putin, Xi, Khamenei, Maduro, Arce (and Morales!) and Diaz-Canel are all stupid.
Oh boy …
“Now Putin, Xi, Khamenei, Maduro, Arce (and Morales!) and Diaz-Canel are all stupid.”
Global Mafia members are all psychopathic but, nearly certainly, not stupid.
Saker,
1. If you believe in Covid Vaxx so much go get vaxxed and then report.
2. I know people who are vaxxed and still can’t wake up without pain after 3 months from taking the jab.
3. the CDC on their VAERS site reports thousands of deaths and allergic reactions.
I believe there’s a virus, but as Ivermectin has proven effective in killing the virus in 48 hours (6 acquaintances used it and it worked like a charm), and since Mexico, India, and many other countries have driven their death toll down using it, why take a chance with an experimental vaccine.
Last, Fauci got a million dollar from Apartheid Israhell for conning Americans so well. That alone says it all.
http://biblicisminstitute.wordpress.com/2020/03/07/the-dirty-secrets-behind-covid-19/
1. If you believe in Covid Vaxx so much go get vaxxed and then report.
Why?
please give me any logical reason for your command?
Because “the glitter of your vaxx certitudes brought me to it.”
:-)
try again
OK.
Then, “Do exactly as you think others should do.” or “Get the jab as you believe others should.” or “Why recommend it for others when you yourself have not taken it.”
or is it the case of “Do as I say not as I do”?
Enough!?!
nope, sorry. there is nothing in the above which would move me to wave my privacy and reply to you.
You would say that, wouldn’t you?
Anyway, you asked for logic and I obliged.
Cheers.
Indeed you did.
Now look up the difference between “clever” and “intelligent”.
Good nite!
While I do, look up the difference between “hypocrisy” and “immoral”.
Nighty night.
People wake up in aches and pains b/c they are first human, meant to suffer the effects of gravity from birth. The human being is actually a very fragile machine, and once broken, it is impossible to fully put back together, this is why most live in a hidden misery (medicated in most cases) until the discomfort shows itself with impatience and unreasonableness in public.
But before they (humans) wake up, they feel indestructible, gladiators who act before they have fully thought out the consequences of the damage done during the fight or war they willingly engage in. Its the western way and they wouldn’t have it any other way.
It is appearing that technology speeds up the aging process while at the same time creature comforts hide the symptoms.
And it can all be proved with a simple mirror and turn of the head. Go figure.
Doug wins…..And I am becoming more and more disappointed in Saker.
Still, praises to you , Friend, for allowing a debate that does not show you
under your best light.
There’s another interesting difference to look up between “smug” and “sincere”.
Has someone hacked Saker’s profile?, he is acting like a nine year old, just cannot believe it. Saker you cannot ‘not reply’ to someone by replying, unfortunately on this thread you are sounding neither clever nor intelligent
Yikes, Saker!
Extolling the Vax as the only ‘rational’ course, because “it can be a crazy conspiracy cause so many disparate leaders promote it! Get the jab, losers!”
But then you refuse to say if you have already or will shortly be getting jabbed – because that would infringe on your medical privacy!
Oh, that’s coming up a bit short, mate.
Putin did seem to become more ‘Anti-Vaxxers are crazy’ shortly after the meeting with Biden.
Coincidence?
Of course… of course.
And I will concur with another poster who noted how much these same leaders have in the official 9/11 narrative, which led to US wars against how many other countries?
But hey, if those leaders all agree on 9/11 it must be true, right?
Now I will read your articles with a second grain of salt.
But hey, I have read CNN and MSM for decades cause you can learn a lot by reading US propaganda.
Don’t believe anything until it has officially been denied in Pravda
Saker
Stick to what you know; war and conflicts. Like Bernhard at Moon of alabama, you have just made a fool of yourself.
Does the truth not get a look in here? What ministers of Jesus Christ have advocated Vaccinination?
Let people (of God) breathe. Please show some mercy. Kindness.
@EVERYBODY: What ministers of Jesus Christ have advocated Vaccinination?
QED. That is, indeed, the level of much of this debate.
@IAN: look up Saint Panteleimon or any other Holy Unmercenary Healers
Bishop Desmond Tutu, The Archbishop of Canterbury and The Pope. Also The Dalai Lama who took a million quid off Keith Raniere’s NXIUM cult.
In UK Cathedrals such as Salisbury, Lichfield and Westminster Abbey were used as vaccination centres.
Salisbury?
Did it come with a side serve of novichok?
Good one WW! But seriously it’s time we start determining what kind of world are we going to leave for Keith Richards.
https://fivegunswest.blogspot.com/2020/11/only-antibodies-from-keith-richards.html
To do evil a man must believe he is doing good. Solzhenitsyn
“Finally, please don’t waste your (and my) time by insulting me, calling me a “gatekeeper” or an “uncritical Putin fanboy” (oh, I am VERY MUCH a Putin-fanboy, that is true, but I am a very critical one, my articles prove this). Your fellow COVID-dissidents have already called me lots of names, many times, and I already heard it all. Of course, if you sincerely believe that your opinion if single most important thing in the universe (vide supra), by all means, insult me some more (this makes Pareto-optimal-sense I suppose).”
Most people are not that radical, I think you just tend to hear the loudest voices. Here in the USA, 1/3 have so far resisted the “vaccine” (mRNA gene therapy). This in spite of substantial coercion and pressure. I don’t want to call anyone names, I just think I have the right to use my own judgement as to what I put into my own body. If the “vaccines” protect so well, then those who are “vaccinated” shouldn’t have to worry about the rest of us.
I don’t deny the existence of COVID, and am also somewhat of a Putin fan. He is probably the best and most responsible major world leader out there today. But in my judgement given my age and health I think the risks of an experimental gene therapy are greater than the disease. And it is my basic human right to make that decision for myself.
P.S. – I am not only a fan of Putin’s but also of your blog, as an echo chamber would not add value :)
and your view makes perfectly good sense to me.
Your is not the kind of attitude I am referring to, I promise :-)
cheers
To my mind a battle exists between two camps where a solution may exist if the purpose of the battle is well defined. Thus to eliminate the covid disease from humans is the aim. In this battle there are many weapons and some are more prominent than others. Some believe in one and not the other. This is not helpful.
To achieve ‘herd immunity’ many can be employed and it only needs just an objective and non-confrontational agreement on how to use and employ all the weapons available of which it seems there are succicent available.
I recently heard how these could be employed yet it seems some profit elements are preventing such a solution.
Sadly is true capitalism the hero on the charger that will rescue the population? I don’t really believe so.
It is _your_ choice to trust political leaders who have either links with the Big Pharma (russian or not), the DARPA, who are dependant of the IMF, or who want to follow blindly a corrupt international institution (the WHO) which has contradicted itself again and again. It’s my choice to follow real “anti-vaxx” (broad definition) scientists like Luc Montagnier (Nobel Price), Alexandra Hention-Claude (former director at the INSERM), Didier Raoult, who was described by wikipedia as one of the top 5 epidemiologists PRIOR to 2020, Michael Yeadon, former VP of Pfizer and ex director of R & D in the same company, and a few hundreds of others as well, who have one thing in common: They are no longer on the board of shareholders, Plus my instinct; I know from day one (march 2020) that there will not be ONE vaccine but dozens of compulsory vaccines. All those corrupt political leaders gave their green ligth to Event 201 6 weeks before the outbreaks, and now they gave their green light to CyberPolygon. They have all one thing in common, despite theiur disputes; they are hungry for power and don’t care about the common people.
Are you also a “mask loon”
Covid was meant to create the conditions to defeat Trump in the USA and to satisfy the eco-fascists in EU
No one got sick where I live SF Bay
Dear Saker, besides yours, I read regularly Dr. Paul Craig Roberts’ blog, and he has mostly oposite stance about covid/vaccines, and in my opinion his resources, reasoning and evidences sound credible on that matter. Would you kindly shed some light on this curiosity?
I can’t as I am not qualified to express an opinion on these topics
hence my agnosticism on these issues
Opinions do not require qualifications.
What is it that makes you qualified to insult and be dismissive of the majority of your commentators above that are making generally very intelligent and rational commentary backed up by facts?
Why are you so invested in your opinion being correct?
The smell of ulterior motives fills your comments on this topic.
It seems clear that this article was absolutely not designed to generate debate and discussion but to be used to further your viewpoint and demean others.
Not very Christian……
You are not displaying any agnosticism.
Dear Saker blog readers who do not believe the official narrative of this “plandemic”, this responce to the Saker’s obedience to the powers behind the Covid lockdowns is for you. I, like you, am stunned by the Saker’s acceptance of the official story which is absolute non-sense and already provides its own “extraordinary proof ” to see it for the absolute tyrannical sham it is. Do I need to spell it out? The sound reasons to dismiss what we are being told are evident for those who have ears to hear. But to respond to the claim that sound science supports this medical fraud I will refer the reader to the 5 docs as they are referred to: Dr Sherri Tenpenny, Dr Carrie Madej, Dr Larry Palevsky, Dr Lee Merrit and Dr Christine Northrup. Search on Bitchute as the official media who the Saker is aligned with on this matter, this attack on humanity, have of course censored their investigations which take this criminal and diabolical fraud apart. Of special concern is the war being waged on the soul, via genetic altering injections (they are not vaccines).
That is all very well, but you did not do me the courtesy to reply to my question.
I wonder why…… (Not!)
:-)
Simply because you narrowed your question in a manipulative way so you will not regard the above good statement as am valid answer?
WHO | Decade of Vaccines ― Global Vaccine Action Plan 2011
https://www.who.int/immunization/global_vaccine_action_plan/DoV_GVAP_2012_2020/en/
(link now dead….. because the paper explained what is happening in 2021)
Decade of Vaccines ― Global Vaccine Action Plan 2011-2020.
The Global Vaccine Action Plan (GVAP) was endorsed by the 194 Member States of the World Health Assembly in May 2012 to achieve the Decade of Vaccines vision by delivering universal access to immunization.
The GVAP mission is to improve health by extending by 2020 and beyond the full benefits of immunization to all people, regardless …
The Decade of Vaccines Collaboration expects to complete its work by mid-2012.
At that time, all vaccine stakeholder groups will be responsible for implementing the action plan.
“We look forward to working with the global vaccine community to extend the benefits made possible by existing vaccines and new vaccines in development,” said Dr. Elias, “together we can ensure that all children have a……
Above ^ From DDG search, but the WHO papers explaining the Decade of Vaccines have been moved or deleted.
They could be found here in early 2021.
But “highly likely” too many conspiracy nut jobs were reading and parsing what was actually meant.
If these vaccinations are a great conspiracy, you would think that Venezuela, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Afganistan, Yemen, etc would all have more phizer and moderna vaccines than they need, all supplied free by the US.
My neighbor is a nurse in a covid ward. The horror stories he told about the people dying are beyond belief. Holding his phone for the dying patient, so that their family could say goodbye in a video chat as they were isolated and no visitors…. If he didn’t get PTSD from these horrors, I would be surprised.
The vaccines seem to be working well here with new case numbers way, way down. It is extremely rare for a vaccinated person to get infected. Only 0.5% of the new cases are from people who have received at least one shot.
A ‘case’ is nothing, especially because they can detect the residue of a possible inactive coronavirus segment just by amplifying the number of cycles in their PCR tests, even if you caught a cold 6 months earlier. Last year here (Canada), there was a massive drop of hospitalisations and cases at the begining of the summer even without a vaccine. Samething this year. But people have a short memory and believe it is the vaccine. They’ll have a rude awakening in November.
Your post reminds me of Brando’s “Apile of little arms” in Apocalypse Now.
I remember when I was with Special Forces… seems a thousand centuries ago. We went into a camp to inoculate some children. We left the camp after we had inoculated the children for polio, and this old man came running after us and he was crying. He couldn’t see. We went back there, and they had come and hacked off every inoculated arm. There they were in a pile. A pile of little arms. And I remember… I… I… I cried, I wept like some grandmother. I wanted to tear my teeth out; I didn’t know what I wanted to do! And I want to remember it. I never want to forget it… I never want to forget. And then I realized… like I was shot… like I was shot with a diamond… a diamond bullet right through my forehead. And I thought, my God… the genius of that! The genius! The will to do that! Perfect, genuine, complete, crystalline, pure. And then I realized they were stronger than we, because they could stand that these were not monsters, these were men… trained cadres. These men who fought with their hearts, who had families, who had children, who were filled with love… but they had the strength… the strength… to do that. If I had ten divisions of those men, our troubles here would be over very quickly. You have to have men who are moral… and at the same time who are able to utilize their primordial instincts to kill without feeling… without passion… without judgment… without judgment! Because it’s judgment that defeats us.
To be great is to be misunderstood – Ralph Waldo Emerson. Saker my good sir, I salute you!
The gap between lockdown scepticism and Anti-vaxx is huge. Sure many choose both on some daft libertarian basis, but from a individual or national risk basis they are very different.
For me it is a B/S test. Anyone arguing against vaccines on a “science” basis is just a pure b/s merchant. (There seems to be an inability to divide by 1.8 billion, or to understand that most early vaccines went to Covid vulnerable patients, so it is no surprise that most covid deaths have been already vaccinated).
But lockdown is essentially a health Economics matter. Measured in QALYs – quality adjusted life years. Life Expectancy in most countries has risen 10 years over past 30 years. That is the result of improvements in Wealth and health service provision. Reverse that and there are real (and very predictable) losses in Life Expectancy and therefore QALYs.
It is ludicrous to suggest that government health economists haven’t been crushing the numbers with a proper QALY evaluation of lockdown. That is what government health economists do. It is as daft as suggesting Generals don’t plan offensives when they aren’t fighting.
so Q1 – why have no QALY analyses been published?
Q2 – what would they show. A delayed cancer test can cost 10 or 20 or more years in QALYs. Nearly Covid deaths are costing 2-6 months and in most cases quality adjustment more than halves that. Preventive healthcare has pretty much closed down. It is pretty clear what a proper QALY Analysis would say about the impact on Health services that has occurred.
Q3 – So would the health services be any more efficient without lockdowns? It is one thing to say that additional covid deaths are not avoiding. Another to say that the health services could just return to work and ignore Covid. It would require the full sidelining of Covid patients to other sites; an acceptance of DNR and brutal pathways for the very sick (which is only what those over 80 have always faced, best treatments are reserved for those with parents to kick up a fuss); and it would require an acceptance of low level risk in normal health services that would be in line with normal practices while breaking standard declarations.
At peak Covid, the UK NHS had about 1 third of its capacity devoted to Covid, while the remaining two thirds worked at 25% of normal capacity.
Covid exists – but the impact is massively exaggerated. UK death rates have risen to 2003 levels and well below any lever before then. That ignores the increasing age of the population. Adjusted for age UK death rate in 2020 took us back to the level of 2008. The impact on 2021 and later years will be much smaller.
https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n896
The link given takes to a paper which shows the increase in the number of deaths increased abnormally in 2020 by three different measures (absolute, per 100,000 people and taking into account the increasing age average over the years). They blame this increase on covid. Is that what you were arguing?
No. My point was simply scale. The increased death rate is small.
It is a one off or perhaps 2-off event with subsequent events being much smaller. That the deaths are a small acceleration of probable deaths rather than the killing of non-vulnerable people (which is what health service blockages cause). And that the reaction is quite out of proportion to the deaths.
It is odd – this was in the British medical Journal (based on official stats) and yet the author seems to have been quite unable to draw the obvious conclusions from his presentation. I guess he was simply encouraging people to think for themselves.
I worked in the pharmaceutical industry all my life, research, QC, production and finally plant manager. I can assure you that every drug has side effects. Some are serious and some are not so serious. None of the covid vaccines have undergone thorough testing like a normally approved drug.
About 30 years ago my doctor recommended that I take a daily low dose of aspirin which was in vogue at the time to allegedly reduce the risk of a number of blood related problems. After two years of following the doctor’s recommendation I developed large polyps in my nasal passage which required hospitalization and an operation to remove them. Two years later I was back for a second operation because the operation couldn’t completely remove them and they reappeared. I subsequently learned that these polyps were called aspirin polyps by doctors and were a common side effect of the low dose aspirin regimen. Incidentally the low dose aspirin regimen isn’t commonly recommended any more. Doctors, including the CDC, were wrong about low dose aspirin and now I’m supposed to believe them about covid???
For me, the best pharmaceutical company is my own body to combat disease. My wife and I have not taken the jab. We’ve both been tested twice with negative results. Frankly I don’t know anybody who has refused to take the jab who subsequently was diagnosed with covid.
As to why President Putin said what he said about covid, I don’t know. However, I’ve known a lot of politicians in my lifetime and whenever any problem comes up the common political response is “We’ve got to do something about this”. Unfortunately, most of the time the best solution is to do nothing.
You present false choices by asking false questions. I DON’T NEED to know their motivation. I just need to know when I’m being lied to. Once I can prove that why would I go along with anything they say?
So here are 3 LIES that have been repeated by them all. Maybe you should ask THEM why they are lying and reading from the same script instead.
First LIE: The PCR test run to cycle threshold 45 is valid. IT IS NOT and that was settled after the 2009 debacle where they mis-used it. The Ct of 45 was the WHO recommendation.
Second LIE: There are no treatments. HCQ & Ivermectin work great. Any government or medical authority who prevents or does not do early treatment is guilty of medical murder.
Third LIE: People who’ve already had COVID and recovered should still get the experimental gene therapy injection. Why? They are already immune.
Now lets look at some other factors.
1) First and foremost I refuse to give up my right to informed consent. How can I give informed consent when information is being withheld? I can’t and as such I refuse to do so. The raw data from the “Phase 2 Human Experimental Trials” which completed in October 2020, has not been made publicly available. Pfizer & Moderna have said that they will release it “sometime in 2022”. Talk to me AFTER that.
Without the raw data we cannot verify their claims for safety & efficacy. You are letting very untrustworthy corporations with blatant financial conflicts of interest, decide what experimental gene therapy treatments you get AND you let the same companies decide what information is made public? NO. They want the public to take the experimental gene therapy injection then the raw data MUST BE PUBLICLY AVAILABLE.
2) This would NOT be a pandemic prior to 2008 when they changed the definition of pandemic to get rid of the requirement for an IFR > 1.0
With an IFR of 0.3 (the worst hit areas are still below 0.5) this is NOT a pandemic.
3) We have a treatment, Ivermectin, that is vastly safer, vastly more effective, vastly cheaper and it works against all the variants that it has been tried on. Why should I HAVE to take a grossly inferior product?
In summary It’s NOT about the disease or curing it.
If it was they would NOT prevent early treatment with IVM & HCQ for 8-10 months.
If it was they would NOT be telling people with natural immunity to get the shot.
If it was they would NOT be misusing PCR tests by running them to obscene cycle thresholds.
It IS about getting everyone injected with an experimental gene therapy treatment.
Smells like Jonestown to me.
I’M IN THE CONTROL GROUP.
Very cogent.
I will add that in November of 2020 the WHO changed the definition of herd immunity to exclude natural immunity and only include immunity through vaccination.
How can any one with a brain fail to connect the dots.
Not to mention that they changed the definition of what constitutes an “Infectious Disease Death” in early 2020 after 17 years. From 2003 to 2020 there was a standard definition of “infectious disease death”.
Robert Kennedy Jr has been doing a lot of work with his “Children’s Health Defence Organisation” and they took the old definition and applied it to the new data and 90% would not have been classified as infectious disease deaths in the previous 17 years.
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/if-covid-fatalities-were-90-2-lower-how-would-you-feel-about-schools-reopening/
Now the recommendation is to run fewer PCR cycles for vaccinated people, but still run the excessive number to diagnose the unvaccinated.
Growing up in the USA in the 1950s, it would have been unthinkable to not vaccinate children against polio. An inactivated polio vaccine, developed by Jonas Salk, came into use in 1955. A live oral polio vaccine was developed by Albert Sabin and came into commercial use in 1961. Yes, there were concerns about contamination in production, but those vaccines saved the lives of hundreds of thousands in the USA and Canada. There were no anti-vaxxers running around with signs… none.
We live in desperate times. Fully one-quarter of Americans think the Sun goes around the Earth. If you don’t believe me, Google it and see for yourself. Sadly, these folks are taken in by any charlatan who comes along promising them that he will bring their jobs back from China and protect them from the rapists and drug dealers who come up from Mexico. Their pastors tell them that the Earth was created exactly 6025 years ago because someone counted up the “begats” in the Scofield Reference Bible. They also tell them that Jesus is coming back to smite all the unbelievers (Democrats mostly) while they’ll be Raptured up to Heaven.
Remember that old Marx Brother’s line, “Who you gonna believe, me or your lying eyes?” All of this harkens back to a pre-scientific, pre-logical mindset that never went away after the Dark Ages and has now returned to the USA with a vengeance.
‘Fully one-quarter of Americans think the Sun goes around the Earth’
Indeed, and most of the rest think the Earth goes around the sun.
The truth is both are wrong
The earth appears to orbit the sun, due to relative mass, in fact, both bodies orbit around the barycenter, the centre of gravity of the two.
Sorry, Andy, I’m with Galileo on this one…
“And yet it moves.” This may be the most famous line attributed to the renowned scientist Galileo Galilei. The “it” in the quote refers to Earth. “It moves” was a startling denial of the notion, adopted by the Catholic Church at the time, that Earth was at the center of the universe and therefore stood still. Galileo was convinced that model was wrong. Although he could not prove it, his astronomical observations and his experiments in mechanics led him to conclude that Earth and the other planets were revolving around the sun. (Scientific American)
If Galileo had ever come out and said that he believed in heliocentrism, he would have been liable to receive an automatic death sentence by the Roman Catholic Inquisition. It is silly to claim that he willingly rescinded his theories of heliocentrism prior to his death. I would have done the same and so would you, Paul.
Also, Johannes Kepler published a series of laws that describe the orbits of the planets around the Sun that is still in use today. The mathematical equations provided accurate predictions of the planets’ movement under Copernican theory. In 1687, Isaac Newton put the final nail in the coffin for the Aristotelian, geocentric view of the Universe. Building on Kepler’s laws, Newton explained why the planets moved as they did around the Sun and he gave the force that kept them in check a name: gravity.
These are certainly not the ramblings of failed scientists. If that is being obtuse (annoyingly insensitive or slow to understand), I stand before you guilty as charged.
” I would have done the same and so would you, Paul.”
And this may well explain The Saker’s public stance on the “pandemic.”
Kepler got his model from Tycho Brahe’s Geocentric system, which worked.
Newton did diddly squat. An unpublished portion from his Principia admitted Geocentrism was possible. People mistakenly believe gravity proves a smaller body goes around the larger. Technically they both go around the center of mass, a point between the two bodies. In a vaccum with only two bodies, the smaller would have the appearance of going around the larger. In a complex arrangement of billions and trillions of bodies, a smaller body can occupy that central position. Mach proved this with a rotating system in which the stars can be taken around and only that found within the center would not move.
The Michelson Morley and Gale interferometer experiments and subsequent findings of Kolbe, planck satellite data of the CMB and Sloan survey all demonstrate Geocentrism. Even the escape hatch of Relativity had Einstein admit that Geocentrism was valid mathematically.
Come on. My responsible parents stopped vaccinations after two, when the polio vaccine sucker coat came up. due to several cases of disabled children in our neighbourhood because of vaccines.
At this time it was normal to take on children’s deceases and we all had measles, coughs, red dogs, etc., and excellent immune systems ever since.
Will you blame chocked parents to take notice and abstain from vaccines, when they see with their own eyes children being disabled to roll chairs?? Yes you would.
“You have no right to question J&J cancer powder, you are anti-science”.
“You should just trust J&J science, until Court gives J&J a fine and bill of $2 billion some twenty years later”.
You and your equals are our society’s problem bro.
I don’t know where on the planet Earth your folks lived in the 1950s, but in the USA…
“Polio was once one of the most feared diseases in the U.S. In the early 1950s, before polio vaccines were available, polio outbreaks caused more than 15,000 cases of paralysis each year. Following introduction of vaccines—specifically, trivalent inactivated poliovirus vaccine (IPV) in 1955 and trivalent oral poliovirus vaccine (OPV) in 1963—the number of polio cases fell rapidly to less than 100 in the 1960s and fewer than 10 in the 1970s.”
https://www.cdc.gov/polio/what-is-polio/polio-us.html
The media-manufactured Great Polio Panic of the early 1950s, strangely similar to the current Megadeath Virus of Doom, seems to have been fabricated in order to disguise the actual epidemic of DDT poisoning, which had recently started being used on a massive scale. Once this was realized by the Proper Authorities, and the use of this toxic chemical scaled back to some degree, the resulting decrease in deaths and paralysis could be attributed to vaccination, thus avoiding enormous liability claims against the government and the chemical industry (Dow, Dupont, etc).
https://archive.org/details/SuzanneHumphriesMDDissolvingIllusionsDiseaseVaccinesAndTheForgottenHistory2013Pdf/page/n183/mode/2up
“Don’t confuse me with facts, I got my opinion and, dammit, I am right!!!” – The Saker
keep up the good work, CDC shill.
just last week watched a video about the last people living with an iron lung to keep them alive, all kids
during the polio epidemic
If I may proffer a few observations. I am not anti-science or anti-vax. But I do understand that science is conducted by scientists and that scientists are human beings. And like all humans, scientists are motivated by a galaxy of sometimes very visceral, emotional, and political factors. We used to call things ‘Laws of Nature’ until the ‘Laws’ kept changing with new evidence. We have not declared anything a Law in over a century. ‘Theory’ will do, and it reminds us that our theories are not of divine origin and are not the end all and be all of the things they are describing. Nothing is above critical examination. Nothing obtains the status of a scientific catechism.
Again, that does not mean that I reject science or whatever is the current interpretation thereof. I just know that new evidence and test results can and will arise that will alter things and that we must be open to that evidence. I think it was Einstein who said, “New theories need old theorists to die off.” (BTW, Sagen’s ‘Extraordinary claims’ argument is really just hype. Extraordinary claims only require evidence just like every other claim. Not extraordinary evidence, just plain, old scientific evidence. Who decides which evidence is ‘extraordinary’ after all? That the earth revolves around the sun was once an extraordinary claim, but once that was established using mundane evidence that anybody can observe if they care to bother today, it is now accepted (mostly) without question.)
There have been examples of fraud in every human endeavor, including science. Piltdown Man, anyone? This means that science must be, first and foremost, an exercise in skepticism. Which brings me to a simple aphorism: Anyone who tells me that I must accept such-and-such a narrative of something scientific or social by the strength of their authority, and if I dare so much as to ask a question about it, I will labeled an (anti-vaxer, anti-science, bigot, fascist, chauvinist, male gazer, etc.) immediately earns my suspicion. Not rejection. Not derision. Nor equally opaque and furious insults in return. Just a pause and a question: If your evidence is so extraordinary, why do you have to resort to appeals to authority and ostracizing your critics like a feudal war lord to support it? If asking questions is so bad, what exactly are you hiding?
As far as cabals of evil people meeting in Wallachian castles on the Transylvanian peaks plotting next year’s apocalypse, it makes for a good ghost story but that’s about it. The world’s leaders are too narcissistic to agree to any such plan and actually stick to it. Man proposes, God disposes. After the annual assigning of devious and deadly deeds to each black robed inductee, they will all go back to their governments, institutes, ivory towers, mistresses, corporate fish tanks, annual bonuses, and herds of AI dogs dancing the macarena and do whatever they were already going to do anyway.
However things play out, it will be something that nobody expected or plann
I do not think the multiple questions and issues around the complex “CoVid-19”, “SARS-CoV-2” can be reduced to this sort of simplicity.
To answer the rather provocative question I would like avoid chosing one of the “answers” given as a choice. Instead I would like to contrast the question and answering choiced for the topic of “CoVid” with corresponding question and answering choices for the topic of “9/11”.
All of those leaders do not question the “official” narrative of 9/11, AFAIK, So why is that?
According to the logic of this article there are only four logical explanations of this for 9/11 truthers (and I personally fully accept the label “truther”!):
1 – Putin, Xi, Khamenei, Maduro, Arce (and Morales!) and Diaz-Canel are all less well informed that we (9/11 truthers) are.
2 – Putin, Xi, Khamenei, Maduro, Arce (and Morales!) and Diaz-Canel all know the truth, but they are all lying.
3 – Putin, Xi, Khamenei, Maduro, Arce (and Morales!) and Diaz-Canel all working with the 9/11 cabal and “anti terror warriors” from Israel, with the “crazies in the basement”, with PNAC, etc. etc. etc. They all want to create a pretext for wars, kill a few million people and usher in the Times of the restructured middle east and Full Spectrum Dominance.
4 – Don’t confuse me with facts, I got my opinion and, dammit, I am right!!!
Regarding the topic I think “CoViD-19” is a long planned, rehearsed, orchestrated operation with military precision. Similar to 9/11 the operation has several goals on different levels.
The pharaceutical mafia wants to have yearly forced vaccinations of all healthy humans, paid for by tax payers.
Several actors,have an interest in introducing a “digial ID” for every person on earth. Some want to earn money with it. Some want control over the population for various reasons. “CoVid” and “vaccinations” are a way to introduce such systems.
Several actors, some with connection to the 9/11 anthrax complex, have an interest in planning how to introduce a state of emergency based on “medical martial law”.
Several actors do want to finally introduce the genetic “treatment” methods mRNA and DNA injection. Those failed in the past and could only be introduced by way of the state of emerency declared because of “CoVid”. Some of those actors do it for the money. Others want to “improve” people by way of genetic modification or by “reprogramming” our DNA as they might say. The military wants “upgraded” soldiers. People who adjhere to the ideology of “transhumanism” want to “evolve” the “human species” to a new level. Some actors may want to use this technology to reduce overall fertility.
Some actors are interested in biological warfare, because they think it is a good way to affect large economic and societal damage while maintaining “plausible deniablility”. Designed viruses with an also designed mRNA vaccine as an antidote may seem an attractive option to them.
All of those possible motivations are speculative, as in every theory about a conspiracy.
So what really happened in China and the rest of the world? I would argue that we do not know. We have to still collect and assemble jigsaw puzzle pieces.
Is there a new virus as described by the “official” narrative? Probably yes. Has it been isolated and purified? I am not sure.
Are there many different viruses or is it one virus that has “mutated”? We do not know.
Where did the virus or viruses originate? We do not know.
Is there a particular new disease with specific symptoms. Probably yes. But what exactly are those special symptoms?
Has it been established that the virus does cause the particular disease (Koch’s postulates)? I am unsure of that.
Is the so called PCR test a meaningful method to detect “cases”? No, it is not.
Are the “confirmed CoVid case” numbers fraudulent? Yes they are because they use PCR tests on healthy (newspeak: asymptomatic) persons.
Are the death “with or of” CoVid figures fraudulent. Yes they are. Deaths without any particular symptoms of “CoVid” (whatever those particular symptoms may be) are counted as “CoVid deaths” just based on the fraudulent PCR test results.
Are the so called “measures” (masks mandates, social distancing, lockdown) helping? Probably not. Countries with very different policies all have similar all case death rates. Countries with very similar policies have very different overall death rates.
Are some measures very hurtful and cost lives? Probably yes. Isolation and neglect in care homes certainly lead to bad outcomes. Lockdowns and other measures have negative health effects. Mistreatment like “ventilation” or “anti viral drugs” are potentially very dangerous.
Have alternative approaches bee suppressed? Yes. An open scientific discussion has been avoided and suppressed from the beginning and censorship has been ramped up to a new level. And this has been part of the planning in the war game exercises in which the pandemic was rehearsed in 2019 and in exercises and studies in the years before.
So personally I assume that SARS-CoV-2 is a bioweapon test used for multiple purposes. I would also assume it was intentionally released. Most likely there are different variations used for different purposes.
The main agent used seems to be transmissible and to cause a disease with flu-like effects and also other health effects like blood clotting. Some of the so called vaccines used in the West and also in China seem to cause the same effects as the disease. Death rates have gone up with rising vaccination rates.
Some oldschool medication has shown to be very effective in avoiding bad illnesses (e.g. Ivermectin, Hydroxychloroquin in the right dosage). Vitamin D seems to have a very high effect as with basically all respiratory diseases and many other diseases. Such treatments have been suppressed to maintain the state of emergency and the emergency use authorization of the new “vaccines”.
Why do other countries react as they do? They may want to be prepared for further bio attacks. They may to avoid the Western “vaccines”. They may use the pandemic for plans and preparations of their own. Who knows.
IMHO it is still very difficult to assess the situation. We need to keep our eyes open and our minds flexible.
Also we should not let ourselves be divided, intimidated or mentally blocked by propaganda, fear and psychological warfare.
Dear Saker,
Finally a voice of reason on the non-MSM internet!!
My father is a physician in rural hospital in New England, and has treated over 10 patients with COVID-19 during the pandemic. He had at least 1 die, and many would have without oxygen.
He made sure all of us got vaccinated and he has been vaccinated since December 2020. So, from personal experience in the USA this pandemic is real and kills people. I was happy to get vaccinated. My good friend from Ecuador just visited and got vaccinated! Most folks around the world are not able to get vaccinated. He kept saying how blessed he was!
So, please have some common sense people!! Get vaccinated if you are over 30.
Love to all.
voice of reason on the non-MSM internet!!
Well, considering the egos and the greed which populates the so-called alternative media, I have long given up on much of the non-MSM Internet. Frankly, I am tired of being exposed to an apparently neverending tsunami of nonsense on any and all topics imaginable. And, most of the time, the most ridiculous ideas are delivered with a gravitas that even a Pope would not have.
Every time I hear the words “I have the right to my opinion!!!” I always mentally reply “yes, absolutely, you have that right; but do you have the competence to even form something worth being considered an opinion?”
Nowadays, everything is a free for all, the world is my oyster, and diversity now also means that true and false or right and wrong mean the same thing: they really mean nothing.
As one French revolutionary once said “no freedom for the enemies of freedom”.
The COVID-dissidents have the exact same mindset. Except that they don’t have guillotines or the right to use them. So the endlessly preach. And when they realize that some folks don’t buy it – they hate.
There is nothing new under the sun I suppose.
Although the fake-pluralists and real liberal-fascists which try to tell us what to do or think are worse nowadays then even in the times of Solomon. And they are much MUCH more self-righteous.
Yeah, we live in crazy and often ugly times…
Wow, talking about ‘handing you a rope to hang yourself’. Some word-class projection at work. Guess, I’m also sick of internet z-list personalities.
Maybe, just maybe you should stick to analysis of conflicts in the East instead of offering your opinion [dude] on the motivations of “dissidents”.
Speaking of knowing when to stop – have a great weekend Saker.
Saker,
You should step back and analyse your own words when you accuse people of mindless self-righteousness and intolerance. You seem to put people into just two basic extreme categories – anti-vaxxer “conspiracy theorists”, or enlightened promoters of good science (to which you hold, of course). You seem to ignore or treat with almost contempt those who legitimately question the accepted narrative – that vaccines are effective, harmless and products of good science, and are performing great service in the world today. You say you accept open dialogue, but I sense that based on your replies to several of these comments, you obviously support those who support your position and talk down to or marginalise those who don’t – you seldom defend your position with science but essentially rely on the principle that if our respected world leaders say it is so, then it must be – after all who are we to disagree with those who are in a position to know, having all the resources available to them?
Conspiracies happen in the world. They always have. People often work in secret towards a common goal that satisfies various individual and group motives. 9/11 was an example. Both World Wars were examples. The medical profession works at various levels to accomplish goals and is often guided by world-influencing professional organisations (FDA, CDC, WHO, AMA, academia and others) who have close links, at both staffing and funding levels, to the pharmaceutical industry. This industry is in business for profits above all, not making people healthier – if they wanted to simply advocate for health, they would encourage the production and sale of cheap, effective medicines, many of which they themselves have discovered or produced in the past like ivermectin or hcq, instead of disparaging the use of such treatments in favour of their newest, expensive, patented solutions.
The pharmaceutical industry has huge influence throughout the world via its advisory groups, non-profit organisations, lobbying groups and providing staffing and funding for many of these organisations. It provides funding and other support for medical schools and laboratories around the world – you think that comes without strings attached? The industry provides among the highest advertising revenue for media so has great influence on media presentation and bias.
One has to be extremely naive to ignore the fact that an industry with this kind of influence across the globe in virtually every major nation does not have the capacity or the motive to influence world opinion, including the medical profession which has been corrupted by that influence from top to bottom. As for Russia, I am certain that its medical community is also influenced greatly by these organisations (WHO, CDC, etc) and have their own motives for pushing their own vaccines and ignoring alternative treatments like ivermectin.
Conspiracies happen. They happen every day in all ages in all places.
You say you have studied ivermectin. Yet I do not recall you mentioning in any of the replies just why it is that you have seemingly dismissed it as a viable alternative to vaccination. Have you never even wondered why it is that the vaccines are so readily accepted in spite of their lack of safety and effectiveness studies throughout the world, and in spite of the fact that these companies have been made legally immune to lawsuits and criminal prosecution with regards to their vaccines? Have you realised that possibly such medications as ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine have been suppressed because in order for a vaccine to be approved for the public no other alternative treatment must be available? Do you not see the strong motive here for the pharmaceutical industry to band together to promote suppression and censorship of discussion of these drugs?
Yes, there are some extreme views held by people. But there are also valid, reasonable questions about what is occurring in the world today – questions raised by highly qualified scientists and medical professionals not necessarily connected to the pharmaceuticals, and questions by reasonable normal people of thought, among whom are many of your readers. Please don’t put us in the ‘fanatic’ category just because we persistently and occasionally with emotion try to get heard – many get emotional because they are constantly called conspiracy theorists or fanatics or anti-vaxxers and are consistently censored and their views marginalised, actively made fun of and subjected to abuse online simply because they question the accepted narrative.
Rant over. Thank you for your patience.
There is one thing that bugs me about the COVID origin narrative, and it is connected to US Air Force collecting Russian DNA samples a few years back. This news was reported by many outlets:
Duran : Putin questions America’s creepy collection of Russian DNA for possible bio-weapons program,
Vladimir Putin Stokes Biological Weapon Fears and Memes, Saying Foreigners Are Collecting Russian DNA …
Anyone care to comment?
I know How you Feel…
“And when they realize that some folks don’t buy it – they hate.”
well, you should maybe wear that ugly shoe yourself
but do you have the competence in virology and vaccines to even form something worth being considered an opinion?”
Dear sir
No one says the virus and the disease are not real. Why are you confusing the issues.
The case being discussed in the comments here is whether this new gene therapy vaccine is safe and are there other options like ivermectin.
Whether people should have a choice to opt out and issues related to vaccine passports.
I second red1chief. If you are scared of dying of Covid than by all means get vaccinated every few months, wear your mask and gloves or stay home or whatever. Just please leave me out of it. If the vaccines and masks actually work you should be fine and all the rest of us who are tired of the Covid drama will be dead soon if it’s as bad as the media is saying. Generally liking Putin and not taking Covid seriously are perfectly common in Russia. Most Russians like Putin, and most think the Covid threat is greatly exaggerated or outright nonsense. I agree with them.
Moscow is the most liberal city in Russia and even there most people don’t want the vax and are mad about the new restrictions. It’s a strange epidemic where almost nobody knows anyone in real life that’s actually died from Covid (random people claiming on the internet don’t count, I mean irl acquaintances) . If it really was this deadly it’s weird that you have to scare people with job loss, fines, etc into taking it seriously. Most people will react when it comes to self preservation but it appears even Russians in the most liberal place in Russia fear losing their jobs and incomes way more than this supposedly deadly virus. The result being Russians are more annoyed with the government than they are scared of the virus. That’s a bad look for the government and while I admire Putin and think Russia has done a better job resisting Covid insanity than the west this latest delta variant hysteria is a total mistake. When you have floods in major cities and NATO poking you nobody wants to hear about how hard the government is working to save you from a virus you aren’t scared of by shutting down your business or forcing injections on you that you don’t want.
Essentially what we skeptics don’t like is the governments reaction to an “epidemic” we see very, very little direct evidence of. Again, if the vaccines and masks actually work than you should be able to get your vaccines and wear your mask and that ought to be the end of it. If they don’t work and us unvaccinated plebs are risking your life than what’s the point of the vaccine in the 1st place? It’s all ridiculous.
Just please leave me out of it.
Putin (and I) agree: vaccination cannot ever be mandatory
except that Putin also quoted a law from 1998 according to which the local governments have the right to impose mandatory vaccination in case of epidemic surge (подём).
basically with his reply on June 30th he approved the decision of Sobyanin and washed his hands
Now this has touched on a sore spot for me. Because I don’t follow Western or Eastern medical science approaches to health – by choice. I decided to follow naturopathic methods and traditional approaches to infectious disease, but these approaches have extremely poor political representation. So when an extremely serious infectious disease appears, like COVID, there is only one branch of health that is prepared to respond to it, and that is the modern medical science approach. And I’m forced to take the non-mandatory vaccine, here in Canada, because there are so many restrictions on the unvaccinated! This wouldn’t happen if other approaches to treatment of infectious disease had sufficient political representation. Like before a pandemic hits.
Yes, “naturopathic methods and traditional approaches to infectious disease,”
I am of the same persuasion and have been there for many years.
This should however not close our eyes to any new development anywhere. The best naturopaths/osteopaths that I know, are people that study daily.
amarynth, then you should understand and sympathize. It’s about personal choice. These are fundamentally different approaches to health, and in this discussion, to the methodology used to combat infectious disease. I’d rather remain with my chosen approach, one that I fundamentally agree with, rather than switch over to the modern medical science one. But that branch has all – all – the political resources, the political representation world-wide. I fail to see how your remark about reading factors into that?
Thank you Sej, I agree 100% with your statement. Those who are captured by fear of a virus can take as many vaccines as they wish, and they should be safe, no? Just please leave me out of it.
I assume by “Anti-vaxxer” that you mean those who are against vaccines in general. This is a fairly small subset of the people who find issue with the whole Covid business. I’m on the west coast of Canada, and here we have had a vast majority of deaths in long-term care facilities. The median age of death in BC is 84 or 85, which is above female average life expectancy. Very very few people know anyone who’s landed in the hospital with Covid. We hear of things in Brazil, India, and elsewhere. It is terribly hard to figure quite the truth when the situation is filtered to you via an untrustworthy media filter. So we judge based on what we see here, and what we see here seems rather… underwhelming.
Experts are all well and good, but there is a diversity of opinion amongst even those, and some who are very much top of the field are finding their voices censored. Dr. Mike Yeadon, VP at Pfizer for 12 years. Dr. Robert Malone, involved intimately in the development of mRNA vaccine technology. Dr. John Ionnidis, top epidemiologist in the world. Lots of us who have doubts about all of this can point to top-level experts who also dissent. The fact that these people are being censored is not to be ignored IMO.
As for the fact that Putin, Xi, Khomeni etc are all on the page with the rest of the world, that certainly suggests that there is a real, serious public health concern at hand. I don’t have a problem with that, though I don’t see anything to require a total renovation of society as we’ve seen here in the West. I am happy (well, happy maybe isn’t the right word) to assume that corrupt western institutions took advantage of a crisis in a way that non-western countries haven’t. You can’t really blame people for throwing the baby out with the bathwater when the corruption is blindingly obvious. It shows a lack of discriminating thought to assume that since some aspects of all of this is corrupt, that it all must be BS. But I can see why people get there.
Now, an interesting question, one that the Saker might be able to shed light on perhaps, is why China would allow American involvement in gain-of-function research at the Wuhan lab?? That I don’t understand at all. I think its well-documented that Fauci was funding research at the WIV. This is the sort of thing that makes conspiratorial-types put on their tin foil hats.
You asked: “why China would allow American involvement in gain-of-function research at the Wuhan lab?” The answer is obvious: The Chinese have never met a gift horse they did not like. The gift horse might end up on a wet market, but they will take it.
In the case of “medical” research, the Chinese received financing and technology transfer from the USA. What is not to like about that?
What about Mr. Lukashenko ?
I don’t like that – choose black or white, I’m no dissident and most certainly not of Covid-19. But I’m absolutly certain that the danger of SarsCoV-2 in no way justifies the kind of hysteric actionism we were and still are the subjects and victims of.
An illness which puts only the older than 60 in danger and thereof 80% being older than 86 in no sensible way can justify the type of measures having been imposed for the last one and a half year without any end in sight !
There can be no doubt about the fact that a large part of ‘Corona’ being a politically motivated ploy to introduce a harsher form of ‘Democracy’ being mostly fuelled by an oscillating feedback-loop of media induced hysteria and draconian blind political actionism.
The Chinese did the only really large scale scientific study in Wuhan on 10 million citizens in March-April last year in the decline phase of the outbreak in the city.
They found there be less than a 1 : 300 chance non-symptomatic PCR-Testpositive persons to infect their surroundings – which means plain and simple throw away the maskerade it’s simply silly.
The Chinese reacted swiftly, concise and thorough and thus had an extremly low fatality rate 2020. However the progressive West laughed them off and ridiculed them into March 2020 doing ABSOLUTLY nothing – only, as is typical for idiots, to then reverse course 180 degrees after having flooded their countries with the virus – reversing while being totally unprepared – no masks, no test facilities no ventilators no nothing – they had been deep asleep the last years despite the many ‘training camps’ which had been held over the years – eyes and ears wide shut.
There was no mention of zero-covid a that time, just ‘flattening the curve’, zero-covid only climbed the stage after almost a year – a time the virus has already become part of the normal corona-strand load (most times when SarsCoV2 is present one or more other Corona-strands are present as well…), again Idiots, total morons !!!!
And now as it becomes more and more clear that vaccinations of course will and cannot extinct the virus, just like they cannot with the other strains, mutations are the fueling for the next hysteria induced idiocy not far away.
Over 30 US-States have terminated the stupidity, I congratulate them heartily !
Here is the list for all of them with mask mandats and without:
These are the U.S. states and territories with mask mandates:
American Samoa | California | Connecticut | District of Columbia | Guam | Hawaii | Illinois | Nevada | New Mexico | New York | Oregon | Puerto Rico | Rhode Island | U.S. Virgin Islands | Virginia | Washington | West Virginia
These are the U.S. states and territories without mask mandates:
Alabama | Alaska | Arizona | Arkansas | Colorado | Delaware | Florida | Georgia | Idaho | Indiana | Iowa | Kansas | Kentucky | Louisiana | Maine | Maryland | Massachusetts | Michigan | Minnesota | Mississippi | Missouri | Montana | Nebraska | New Hampshire | New Jersey | North Carolina | North Dakota | Northern Mariana Islands | Ohio | Oklahoma | Pennsylvania | South Carolina | South Dakota | Tennessee | Texas | Utah | Vermont | Wisconsin | Wyoming
I’m very certain that it is perfectly possible to meaningfully take care and protect the most endangered sick over 80 of age without destroying the country – and yes people die when being very old, has been that way and will be.
The death toll statistics indicate that many of those very old dying in a wave would most likely have died a few months later, we can see that in the low death tolls of this age group after a wave. Last year for instance in Switzerland, the surplus death accumulated during the first wave had been compensated for end of July 20, and the same – ableit less so – happend after the wave of winter 2020.
We – the critics are sceptic about the actionism taken by our Governments, which is our right and duty ! Our aim is not to discredit others but to bring some sanity back, a simple before – now comparison hilights that perfectly – there is no medical, scientific reason not to….see where I’m heading ?
Maybe a list could help, what has changed, why has it changed (according to reasons fed to us) and what are the effects of it, and what is the medical, scientific reasoning.
Then go over the list again and check the reasoning for it’s uniqueness regarding the past. Those which remain as being unique – how unique are they really ? What are the implications for the future regarding that ?
First he was a COVID-denier then he asked for Russian vaccines.
Need I say more?
Is that really you Saker?
Hard to believe after years of reading that you give comments like this
Dear blog readers
First of all I am skeptical of the Saker’s invitation to comment at this late stage of the “pandemic” as he like the main stream media censored all informed discussions – to my great dismay. The official story promoting this upheaval is non-sense: lethal nature of the flu-like virus/ mask-wearing/ distancing/ lockdowns etc. All these protocols produced was terror. And they all lead to coerced injections. This is the heart of the matter. I invite readers who want to know what these genetic modifying injections are to consult the scientific findings of the team of doctors known as the 5 docs: Dr Sherri Tenpenny, Dr Larry Palevsky, Dr Carrie Madej, Dr Lee Merrit and Dr Christine Northrup. Of course you will have to consult alternative news sites like Bitchute / Brighteon.
I do not have the heart to engage the Saker because I conclude that someone who sees behind Sept 11th / skripal hoax / white helmets ….and yet accepts a fraud of greater magnitude, is not someone to be seen here as exhibiting critical integrity. I have been a reader of the blog for 7 years and have made contributions.
As a Christian I am deeply upset that the Saker approves of an injection that attacks the essential blueprint of our sacred God-given bodies. And now they are after the precious blood of children.
God bless
Tomas
First of all I am skeptical of the Saker’s invitation
Yet you accepted it.
oh, and Christianity does not stand for being anti-science. At least not the real one. immv of course :-)
First off it’s apples to oranges. I would be far more willing to take a vaccine produced in Russia than by the demonic big-pharma of the west. Which vaccine,manufacturer and country are you referring to? You rightly ask for reason and then liken the vaccine skeptics to ‘inmates’ locked ‘in an ideological prison’. Your analysis is always top-notch but you are in this area exhibiting fanaticism yourself. No legal recourse if you have a reaction to the shot. It is gene therapy – not a vaccine in the traditional sense.
IMHO this is just another schism created by our common enemies. Just like JFK , 9 11 it’s a minefield of competing narratives. The gain of function research was originally done in the US then outsourced to China to create a no – man’s – land of blame. Chinese are convinced they were wronged and the US likewise. Not a healthy diplomatic scenario. Cui bono?
Do the vaccines work? If yes – why care about the un-vaccinnated? Don’t say ‘herd immunity’ – that can only be achieved naturally. Don’t say we are all in this together – that is cult speak . Coercing or even forcing people to accept a medical treatment against their will is a violation of the Nuremburg code. The penalty for violating that code is death.
Putin or any other leader knows no more than the rest of us ( or they are not telling ) about the motivations of the WEF, depopulation gang. If they do know and said it publicly they would be accused of being mental by over half the world. Last year Trump almost broke the spell after the ‘two weeks’ expired but even some of his own base said ‘wear the damn mask’ and clamored for ‘Warp Speed’ (so their pharma stocks could soar). The leaders good and bad don’t have much to work with sadly considering the fallen state of modern humans, who are more afraid of a tiny chance of dying prematurely than losing their hard won freedoms (or souls).
We are in a bad mess spiritually,morally and financially. The monetary promises made to the populations of the western nations especially will never be kept. Stealth Euthanasia to save the central bank model for a while longer is small potatoes to the weirdos who gave us the 20th century carnage.
So, there is a blanket ban on expressing one’s opinion on COVID-related issues, but than suddenly there is a ONE-OFF permission to speak, when admin believes he has accumulated enough ammo to silence all non-believers.
And than, of course, the blanket ban on freedom of speech comes into effect again, so that people cannot second-guess him.
Do go and argue with yourself, stop this pathetic attempt on being for free dialog.
P.S. It is obvious, and proven on numerous occassions that pro-vaxx characters are extremely aggressive and intolerant to anyone who second-guesses them, to the point of becoming pathologically hysterical.
And obviously, there is a good reason for that.
And obviously, there is a good reason for that.
WOW! How did you know about Bill Gates paying me to shill for Big Pharma?
@EVERYBODY: the above, my friends, is their level. I have been hearing crap like that for months now. As have the moderators (thanks guys! I hope that this non-moderated thread will show everybody how indispensable you are!)
I didn’t, you admitted it yourself.
However, based on previous articles written by non-hysterical and objective guy, it is reasonable to assume you’re not the original Saker, but some standard pro-vaxx shill. So the only question is how this website got hijacked by pro-vax fanatics.
The answer to the mystery is simple, Traveller. EVERYONE has blind-spots and hot-buttons. They are never rational, and never have any obvious motive. They’re just each persons’ individual loony-quirks.
For whatever reasons (who knows), Andrei’s (and bernhard’s at MoA) include this strange fanaticism over believing that covid is a dreadful global plague, and untested, already mass-killing and multi-mass-injuring, liability-immune, novel-drug injections will save us all.
There’s a multitude of people holding those blind-spots/hot-buttons right now about the covid-scam. I guess they’ve been stampeded there by the enormous propaganda campaign of terror-porn flooding out of the Western lamestream media and the pocket-politicians. Terror Derangement Syndrome does that to people.
If you want a truly scarifying example of a usually sharply-rational and insightful mind driven berserk because of insult to his personal hot-buttons/blind-spots, simply review again all of Andrei’s input to this thread. And this despite his usual outstanding good sense about his usual subjects.
Fascinating, isn’t it? And remember – We’re ALL subject to this occasional utter irrationality. Look how it’s rattled Andrei…
Sorry Saker! I know this post must seem nettling. But I still read your work, and regard you as an outstanding truth-telling commentator. Just subject to b-s/h-bs like all the rest of us. Respect as ever, good-brother! :)
A. I look around me and see what is happening and not happening. During the ‘pandemic’ in 2020, what I saw with my very own eyes was this:
1. The hospital was empty. (I lived around the corner from it.)
2. There were a total of 2 deaths ‘attributed to’ COVID-19 in my region.
3. No one was falling dead in the street. No one I saw was even sick.
B. In 2021, nothing has changed except that the hospital is now inhabited by people with the usual maladies, and some of those caused by lockdowns.
C. I know something about PCR through my own training and my wife is an expert through hers. This is what I know from my own training and from hers.
1. If you run a sample of DNA or RNA through over 25 cycles, you will get many, many false positives.
2. PCR tests for COVID-19 were run at over 30 cycles and in many cases over 40 cycles.
3. The PCR test used in 2020 was based on a test kit made well before that. Since COVID-19 was not known when the PCR test was developed, the test could not be specific for COVID-19.
4. That this PCR test is being used to determine ‘COVID numbers’ tells me that somebody somewhere must be lying.
D. In short, I use my eyes and brain.
1 Thessalonians 5:21
21 Test all things; hold fast that which is good.
Corinthians 3:19-21
19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, “He catches the wise in their own craftiness”;
20 and again, “The Lord knows the thoughts of the wise, that they are futile.”
21 Therefore let no one boast in men.
I’ll confirm your C.1-4 with a qualification on 4.
I went through chemo during 2020 — luckily it was successful or I’d have been dead by Christmas.
Otherwise I’m the typical mid-60’s anglo/celt male with weight issues and T2 diabeties. A high risk group.
Luckily I live in a remote city with control of its international and state borders.
I took the C-19 event seriously and did my research.
My conclusions were, based on direct face-to-face discussions with my GP during diagnosis of cancer in early 2020, that I support your PCR test comments above. The test did not target C-19 specifically and any number of things could trigger a positive — especially if the cycles were high. However, the local medical mafia then ensured that GPs towed the line and little more was said.
There is a virus pandemic. Tens of thousands of medical professionals have treated millions of patients for it. Ergo, it exists.
The PCR test system is bogus and very inaccurate. So, infection rates from tests are bogus.
The existence of antibodies is proof of a virus having attacked a human body.
Vaccines are a mixed bag. I am leery of mRNA vaccines and vaccines in general from US Big Pharma.
If I could, I would take the Sputnik V 2-shot vax from Russia.
I haven’t vaccinated though I am in the highest risk category. I protect myself with mask, zinc, D3 and I keep away from people, have a food shopper and don’t enter stores or crowded places. I’ve been to one outdoor restaurant months ago, and one indoor (well-spaced seating last week).
Generally, I have followed the epidemic in China since day one, the pandemic around the world, the entire bullshit blame China campaign, and have grave doubts about the origin and spread. But, logically, from looking at how China reacted in Wuhan which I followed live every night on CGTN I am fairly certain it was not a virus that they knew came from a lab leak.
My suspicion is the virus was American First (ironic, eh?). One of the news items I collected early on was Ft. Dettrick had been shut down in July 2019 for contamination issues. It stayed locked for eight months. By then, the Wuhan lab had been propagandized and blamed.
As for other issues around therapeutics that work and which were demonized and prohibited, that is just bureaucratic support of the greedy Big Pharma.
I never believed the predictive modeling Dr. Birx and Dr. Fauci used from Washington university. It was clear in the US that the Federal system was weak. All rules should not have come from governors. The national officials should have set the rules. It was the national government that was going to provide the solution, as Trump did with Project TurboSpeed, bankrolling the vaccine development.
One other important thing: there is plenty of scientific medical proof that the virus existed in other countries before it hit Wuhan. Barcelona March 2019, waste water evidence, Italy, and the US (blood tests of pneumonia patients, and survivors of lung issues who have antibodies). Also, autopsied tests in Sept, Oct, Nov.2019.
I have a massive amount of news, science articles, and opinions saved in files related to Corona viruses. I don’t feel comfortable saying much definitively about origin, spread, treatment, prevention. The professionals and officials all around the world failed us badly. They applied ideology, vested interest, greed, and large helpings of stupidity to the situation.
What I do know is people like my eldest daughter, who works in a senior nursing facility, saved lives risking their own health for months and months and months. And then they had to take the risks associated with mRNA vaccine to protect themselves from continuing virus exposure in their workplace.
There were hundreds of thousands of heroes around the country and the world who fought the virus on the front line. Seeing what my daughter did I have great respect and thanks for all the men and women who bravely did their professional health worker jobs.
Covid-19 is real. It kills. It maims. It is a vicious virus that will be with us for years.
The vaccines all seem to have effectiveness.
There are no set-in-stone body of facts about either the virus or the vaccines. It’s going to be some more years before we have scientific truth about both.
This comes with the risks of life on Planet Earth. Man and Nature both can produce real horrors for humanity and society.
If the PCR test is bogus and very inaccurate (which is something I agree with) then how do you know that the patients being treated are being treated for COVID or even a virus?
The existence of antibodies is absolutely NOT proof of a virus. Antibodies are raised against many many toxins, including small molecules and proteins.
There is zero evidence that a virus is at play here. ‘Flu-like’ symptoms can arise from a multitude of causes that have nothing at all to do with viruses.
The damage to the brain, the heart and other organs is not “fly like”.
There’s a virus. It is Corona-family.
It kills and maims.
Your persistent ignorance and fear of those facts are not convincing arguments against them.
Many of us don’t accept the ”whole cloth story” fed from government.
Does not mean we think there is no virus.
Just like your ignorance doesn’t mean you have wisdom.
my typo: should be flu like.
You are positing a whole host of symptoms to a virus. Where is the evidence that a virus causes these, let alone the ‘COVID-19 virus? The PCR test for COVID? Where is the science?
Once you have been diagnosed with a viral infection, PCR tests are very useful to figure out which virus is causing the illness. But you should test for all potential viruses and perform a differential diagnosis. It is unfortunate that this is rarely done these days. Instead, a single PCR test replaces proper anamnesis and diagnosis.
Thank you, Larchmonter for this comment. I appreciate the arguments, quit similar of what I thought from the beginning. I started to worry in December 2019. I took all kind of my natural products to my son end of January 2020 (a young doctor), even before the declaration of the pandemic, when we visited him. The next week beginning of February I took a plane to visit another son, and took a nebulizer for essential oils+different bottles+other stuff with me, the security hesitated a bit. My other son received similar items by post. Then I started to send similar items to my family in Belgium. I must say that only the doctor understood the urgency, he told me no masks were available, end of January 2020! People came back on plane straight from Wuhan, without even the slightest measure! My other sons just thought I was exaggerating (at that moment)
After this I started to prepare for all possibilities at home, and bought as much special essential oils for my clients as possible, before the middle-man understood what was coming.
I cancelled all my meetings with church/associations beginning of March, my friends thought I was paranoiac.
They started realizing something was true when the first lock-down started, one of my boys managed to get here and do work from here, the other had to manage all the health-workers starting to get the Covid, the other got stuck for months in a small apartment.
Then I started to rewrite old articles about herbs and oils in case of pandemics and to put it on a web site.
I expected a lot, but never thought I would witness so much strange reaction from friends, clients in the following months. This lasted until the first dead occurred, but even his daughter told me later he died WITH Covid, not FROM Covid…
My suspicion is the virus was American First
Very possible. But Sagan is telling me that I need more facts. But I am still agnostic about this
hugs
Hola querido Saker. Aqui en Argentina estamos sufriendo la segunda ola. Familiares mios tuvieron ese maldito virus el año pasado y algunos quedaron con secuelas entre elllas cognitivas, pulmones debiles y miocarditis. Otras murieron siendo jovenes sanos. Muchos medicos y enfermeros fallecieron. En estos momentos en pleno invierno hemisferio sur 93000 fallecidos. La sepa Manaos hizo estragos. Con respecto a lo que comentan de la Ivermectina. Si, es efectiva y aqui se usa mucho para salvar vidas pero la OMS aun no la aprueba en general. Este medicamento hizo bajar la curva en la India. Estan los papers en Cnbi como asi la importancia de la vitamina d3 en sangre. Cientos de estudios avalan que la deficiencia de vitamina d3 es mortal. En Inglaterra, España, Israel y otros paises con datos duros nos da esa valiosa informacion. No Alcanza con tomar sol o comer salmon. Se necesita suplemento bajo control medico. Las vacunas ayudan pero no es una panacea como bien dijo Putin. Yo en mi caso confio en la sputnik pero no en las vacunas de Pfizer o Moderna. Con respecto al origen del Virus No hay indicios que haya escapado de un laboratorio. Porque ningun cientifico de Wuhan fue infectado. Hay posibilidad que sea manipulado pero seria una conspiracion muy grande. El resultado es que todos sufrimos la pandemia, la pregunta a quien beneficia? A nadie. No colocare links de los papers para no saturar la pagina. Pero en yandex o google se puede acceder a los papers sobre vitamina d y la ivermectina. Un abrazo
I was look for a place to deposit my 2-cent’s worth and this seems to be a good perch.
I basically agree on the PCR test BS for this C-19. As I mentioned in a comment not far above, my GP at the time (Feb 2020) during cancer diagnosis made the same comment then went quiet as the medical association (union) laid down the official narratives.
I also followed, as much as I could, with hair falling out and suspending post graduate research studies, of WTF was going on. I came to the following conclusions:
1. It was/is real.
2. A great diversity of medical and scientific opinion was being censored and the public narrative and discourse was being directed in a co-ordinated manner by the media barons and others (Big Pharma) with vested interests.
3. The politicians (and it is a bit of an authoritarian generation change over) were basically not letting an opportunity go to waste — (a) because the western economic system was sick and collapsing and this was a convenient “covid- did it!” and then “China did it!” excuse to pump and dump etc; and (b) there were (and are) various state players interested in exploiting new social control technologies.
4. There is also the existential anxiety that Chinese and Russian “State Capitalism” (not open to the usual economic hitmen gangs) were in the overpassing lane and taking the front lead geopolitical position. I do not know whether this is/was a deliberate bio-attack scenario, and I do not think we will ever know for sure. However, it seems obvious that it has been exploited to the max as if it was one.
5. As a side note, I and 16 other members of our extended family from Australia and Canada were in Hawaii in Jan 2019. All the older folk came down very ill with something. None of the kids. I got it on the last day and spent the next 2-3 weeks in bed with what developed into bronchitis (which I used to get in my youth). I cannot prove anything but the symptoms sound familiar when I read about the C-19. I’d say it was C-18.5 if not the real thing. The place felt unclean and there were millions of Chinese tourists and mainland Americans mingling and then flying home. What a perfect soup. And the fact that no routine testings were done in the USA under Trump until later in the 2020 season means that something could have spread very widely and been diagnosed as many other ailments and co-morbidities.
6. I have followed with interest the mass media gaslighting of Sweden (and less so a couple of other states not following the dictums) and noting what seemed a “control variable” for an experiment. Out of the many sites to keep abreast I found this Swiss site to be useful once the initial dust had settled somewhat into the new-normal pattern — https://swprs.org/facts-about-covid-19/ In their current point 17 they say: “Sweden: In Sweden, covid mortality in 2020, without a lockdown, was comparable to a strong influenza season and somewhat below the EU average. About 50% of Swedish deaths occurred in nursing homes and the median age of Swedish covid deaths was about 84 years.” And they admit that early policy errors in their unique age-care facilities contributed to this high death rate in residents. Otherwise, they might have had much lower statistics.
7. The feature of 2020 I found most disturbing was the media manipulation and “fact checking” censorship etc. This really concerns me, as does the rapid and willing local uncritical social compliance to irrational lock-down measures (still occurring from time to time). I saw how quickly the mid-20th century Germans could be led to their unfortunate end scenarios.
8. For me personally, it looks like a lot of theatre and dog-whistle training (via public health policy) in preparation for (or at least distraction from) something else. But I do not live in a London or New York. What this something else is I do not know, maybe war?
9. I reserve the right to criticise public policy and self-serving politicians — but in the end complying with reasonable public policy is the responsible thing to do. Personally, I won’t take the jab unless I need to for travel reasons (I am retired). My preference would be the Russian Sputnik-V but it is not available in this so called “free market” economy — aka the big pharma drug cartels pushing their own inferior products on their gangland turf.
10. Basically I think Sweden played the adult game and the statistics show it. As for the source? I’ve come to the conclusion it was most likely a result of gain of function research in China with US research funds — led and promoted by Fauci and his gang. I doubt this was the only location for such research and that various state agencies were involved in the ‘experiment’. Whether it was a leak, or intentional, is beyond my capacity to determine. I am more concerned about public discourse being shut down. I certainly subscribe to the “Building 7” puzzle … but what is new in state coverups?
Now I need to go and check whether it is ‘mask on’ or ‘mask off’ today and go get my favorite cappuccino…
@Anonymous (I wish you had created a name for yourself. Your post deserves it.)
Your #5 is very interesting. A year ahead of Wuhan, your family got very ill from a trip in Hawaii.
And we know the US mainland got a big summer rush of severe pneumonia cases, and a wave of vaping-related cases of young people in critical condition and deaths.
You make a lot of important points. The suppression of critical thinking and challenges to the “official story” is certainly a major reason the pandemic did and is still doing so much damage.
“Following the data” they told us was the golden rule. But they manipulated the data from the getgo.
Any data that was contrary to their “line” was stigmatized and eliminated.
Thank you, Larchmonter445. My own practice has been parallel to yours, so I won’t repeat what you have listed in your comment. I too have a daughter who is on the frontline medically speaking – I will say that she wears three masks (3!) when she does her rounds. I do not know because I have not asked her, whether she has had to take any of the ‘vaccines’ on offer in the US. I do know that she has never had a ‘flu shot, being concerned about the impact this could have on her natural immunity. I do not ask because I hope. And it’s not a matter of being right – sometimes it is a matter of one’s livelihood choices. That factors in, as I’m sure you know. We each weigh our own circumstances. And I pray very hard that even ‘wrong’ choices can be ameliorated. God sees; he knows our hearts.
Because of all the conflicting information, and because of the newness of this virus, I will say we cannot ‘take sides’ even when we feel our research and our instincts point one way or the other. And it is agonizing to say ‘time will tell’ when it is your own dear ones who face the choice and might choose to put themselves in harm’s way, out of a need to provide for family members. That is the direction many are being made to go.
I do think it is required of us all to investigate all possible avenues of treatment or not. I follow what you describe for yourself. Thank you for expressing that course of action. I tell anyone interested what I am doing, simply hoping that will help.
The fact that Putin or this or that leader has endorsed vaccination proves nothing in scientific terms. Let me state at the outset that I am NOT an anti-vaxxer. In fact, I am personally fully vaccinated. My decision to take the shots was based on a risk-benefit judgment and a fast growing rate of infections where I live. When I decided to get vaccinated, I was well aware that the long-term safety profile of Covid vaccines was an unknown. Not even Einstein could have predicted the long-term effects of any substance on the human body. Only time will tell, five years down the road. The probable risk is likely low, which is what the majority of scientists advised. The very likely risks of a Covid pandemic were high, way too high. It made sense therefore to take a low probability risk to avoid a higher risk for society as a whole. But at the individual level, every person should be free to take his own decision based on his assessment of the scientific evidence. There IS difference of opinion within the scientific community on Covid vaccines, especially mRna vaccines, although the majority scientific opinion regards the risks as low. Shaming the anti-vaxxers is therefore not scientifically valid and using legal compulsion is very distasteful and unethical.
Whereas I don’t buy into forced vaccinations on both logical and ethical grounds, I do believe in social pressure as regards masking. The scientific evidence clearly shows that masks, when and if worn properly by all in social spaces, prevent infections drastically. The Chinese nipped the virus in the bud by masking and social distancing. Vaccines were then just rolling out, but they controlled the problem without them.
“The scientific evidence clearly shows that masks, when and if worn properly by all in social spaces, prevent infections drastically. ”
Please cite documentation of this.
Because the most recent studies I am aware of find the opposite, especially for children. Masks d on’t protect from viruses, but they cause unhealthy buildup and inhalation of CO2, harmful to children.
Thanks.
Katherine
You may like to read this https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/downloads/science-of-masking-full.pdf
Masks do not protect perfectly but they do reduce the risk significantly, especially if both parties in a relatively close setting wear them. And yes, you are right, masks do cause CO2 problems etc. especially if worn for long. But hey, what do you do in an imperfect world? Choose the lower risk path even if it carries some price. When entering stores and public spaces I make it a point to mask up, for my own and others’ safety. Do I like it? Hell no!
Dr Wu Lien-teh
10 March 1879 – 21 January 1960
face mask pioneer and played a major role to defeat a plague epidemic in China
https://www.newscientist.com/people/dr-wu-lien-teh/
Hope above settles the face mask issue
Yes but you’ve set up a straw man that is a step too far. There is a virus. It has made many people sick and some have died. A vaccine was produced, in an unseemly rush, that at least in the Anglo Zionist sphere, is a new technology that has not been adequately tested.
You often lament the fact that those in Zone A have been ceaselessly propagandized and are despised by their “leaders” as a basket of deplorables. But those very same people should now quietly submit and accept a vaccine that, should anything go wrong, they would have no legal recourse. (You don’t have to believe that this is chipping or the mark of the beast to understand the very real dangers)
The vaccines that are available in Zone B, Russia, China, and now Cuba, are not available to them, and even if they were, they would not be accepted as a valid treatment in Zone A. (The EU has refused to accept Chinese vaccination certificates for travel and the European Medical Agency still has not approved Sputnik V for use. Not to mention the US campaign in Brazil and throughout Latin America to prevent the use of the Russian vaccine, all for crass political advantage.)
Now, with THAT as backdrop it is perfectly understandable that many would doubt (as well they should given the facts as outlined above) But rather than offer understanding and perhaps suasion, you have chosen to harangue and insult. That is beneath you. I understand their dilemma, and would only encourage them to follow their path as they feel led.
I hope very soon that this will be past and we can all return to a semblance of a normal life.
@EVERYBODY:
Friends, I am bowing out for the night. Frankly, with a few exceptions, the thread is every bit as bad as I knew it would be. I will give it a final look tomorrow afternoon and answer anything I deep worthy of a reply. Other than that, I said what I had to say, nobody changed his/her mind (though I knew that going in), I gave all the “oppressed” and “censored” Saker-blog-freedom-fighters a chance to speak their mind and go on the record about despising me, and I see no need to repeat this experiment!
I wish everybody a great week-end, hugs and cheers
The Saker
How very condescending. Sleep well.
Well done in being condescending, Saker … pleanty of justified reason for it, imo.
I say more free speech and less concern with what these neo-moral faux right-think left-talk ‘sensitives’ think/feel about it.
I don’t see any real bad comments other than many disagree with you. Cheers
Ok, maybe I get it… “Look I know it is forbidden to say XYZ and let me start by saying XYZ is all non-sense as many great people say so, so then what do you say? And the flood gates open, I show up regularly trying to swim against the current but of course I cannot stop it can I, remember I cannot be blamed… ” objective achieved?
” Frankly, with a few exceptions, the thread is every bit as bad as I knew it would be.”
Pray tell, which are the “exceptions”? Please, let me be enlightened.
As for the rest, obviously this is a little joke our host is playing on his guests.
Before demonstratively announcing that he is—yawn—going to bed.
To announce to one’s guests that one is going to bed is very bad manners.
No one would notice if one just quietly left the party.
Katherine
Quite simple answer, Saker.
Why are you interested in my personal decisions?
How do you dare to interfere in my most personal decisions?
Do you really think an argument like „ thousand flies can‘t be wrong, shit smells great“ is an argument?
My health state is not your business – it is that simple. And vice versa of course. Take the shot or not – it is your decision. And so it‘s mine. It is not your business.
It is about freedom on a very(!) personal level.
And I am afraid that you as a Russian living in one of the heartlands of the empire ……. Are fully incapable to unterstand what I want to say.
„How can you believe the Earth is not flat, Galileo. Do you really think you know more than the Pope, the King, the Emperors, the best scientist of this world? How dare you, Galileo?“
I would have expected a bit more of you.…
Regards
Chris
I have seen lots of websites give some very useful and accurate information, but on this coronahoax they go completely on the opposite end. I have wondered many times whether some/many/most/all websites are actually threatened: play along with this corona hoax and we’ll let you keep doing what you were doing, otherwise we’ll shut you down in a flash. That could mean their website, their family, or them. This is just a thought, but I know it is very possible given the reach and criminality of that global mafia.
Hey Mr. Saker,
First of all, I respect your viewpoints. However, I think you missed one very basic thing that you did not address here and which would explain the discrepancy between the United States and Russia when it comes to the vaccine.
Russia is using a totally different vaccine from what US Pharmaceutical countries are pumping out with *totally different science* behind it. This is the key difference which you have failed to realize/address. The reason Russia was first on the world-scene with an effective vaccine for Covid-19 was because they had already been working for over a decade on a vaccine for the original SARS outbreak from 2003. Because SARS and Covid-19 (aka SARS-Cov-2) are so similar, Russian scientists were able to basically take a vaccine they had already perfected and tweak it for Covid. Because this vaccine had years of science behind it already, it was basically already proven to be safe and effective. And it wasn’t even that hard for them to do it!
The US vaccines, pumped out by the likes of Pfizer, J&J, Astrozeneca, etc., on the other hand don’t have years of testing behind them like the Russian version. They don’t have nearly as much in the way of clinical trials behind them. As a result, the side-effects from the US corporate-based vaccines are way, way more unpredictable and varied than what Russia and all the countries in Russia’s orbit whom are getting the Russian vaccine have access to.
So you see that there is not some grand conspiracy between Biden and Putin, but that the quality of the vaccines being offered between these two nations is hugely different. Personally, I would without hesitation take the Russian vaccine, but guess what, I don’t have access to it because the US government will certainly never allow us to import it. US corporate vaccines, on the other hand, I do not trust under any circumstances. The amount of anecdotal evidence coming out supporting that the vaccines are causing myocarditis, heart attacks, partial facial paralysis, seizures, and even *death* (usually from blood clotting or heart attack), is quite frankly, overwhelming.
There are dozens of stories circulating across the internet right now of people who have taken vaccines from these more western & US-based corporations of young & healthy individuals, some as young as 12-13, dying from heart failure within mere days of getting their shot. And these are people who are least susceptible to negative effects from Covid that took the vaccine and guess what, it killed them. People at age 12-13 don’t even need this vaccine in the first place as for them Covid will be little worse than a common cold. Not a single one of these stories has been outed as fraudulent.. these are all real cases of real teenagers who died from the vaccine and now some of their parents are even speaking out about it, stricken with grief and rage that they were not warned that the vaccine might have serious consequences or even kill their child. And they are being ostracized by a society which does not want to tolerate the fact that the vaccine Americans have access to is of questionable safety and would prefer to stick its head in the sand. And yes, I realize that the chances of death or injury from the US-based vaccines are relatively minimal, but that doesn’t change the fact that “relatively minimal” is still several orders of magnitude higher than the risk from the Russian vaccines.
As someone who has already had Covid-19, I will never under any circumstances take the Pfizer or J&J or any other Western pharmaceutical company’s experimental vaccine knowing full well that it may cause serious heart problems (or other dangerous side-effects) up to and including death. And for what? For a virus I’ve already have had and now at-least has some level of natural immunity? Trust me when I say I trust my own body’s natural immunity much more than I do the profit-driven motives of notoriously corrupt companies like Pfizer, all of whom are well known for having put profits before people for decades before I was even born. On top of all that, they’ve been given full blanket legal immunity for all vaccine-related deaths & injuries, so there really is nothing stopping them from going all-out to make as much money from the vaccine as possible without even so much as acknowledging all the thousands of reports from regular people of the very serious side-effects they have experienced. And this comes from someone who has been reading your blog for years and who has a very deep respect for your analysis. I think this might be the first instance in my 7+ years of reading your blog in which I have ever disagreed with you.
Of course, just because I disagreed with *one* thing you wrote in 7 years doesn’t mean I’m going to stop reading or send you hate mail. Quite the opposite – and I’m sorry you have to deal with so many people like that. I love this website and if it weren’t for you I would hardly have a clue about what’s going on in our world today! Keep up the good work and please don’t let all the outrageously conspiracy-minded folks whom believe that the Earth is flat and Biden is a reptilian from Venus keep you down. Sadly any website which goes outside the realm of mainstream media propaganda will always attract those types of people, and yours is no different in that regard.
Anyway, I’d really like to hear back from you on this and what you think about the Russian vaccine being superior to the US-based ones.
Thanks! :)
Anonymous – succinctly put. I agree with all you say.
I too cannot access a Russian vaccine. I would take it without hesitation. I hope Sputnik validation comes before I am formed to take the lower grade on offer. I fear for my grandchildren, both 7 years, will they be coerced too ? France seems to be moving in that direction.
When you have the likes of gates, fauchi, bojo, biden, bolsonaro, modi, macron, et al, leading the charge for an unscrupulous big pharma, to the exclusion of Russia and China, surely you must concede, and understand some level of fear and skepticism.
I cannot understand, for the life of me, why more Russians do not avail themselves of one of their own vaccines.
You, Saker, would perhaps be in a better position to speak to that.
I find Russians quite supersticious at times. My wife in 70’s had very bad reaction to BCG….and her son nearly died from a vaccination..there has been a lot of very serious illness and deaths due to acetone after effects in children so I am led to believe. So surely that generation is affected by a somewhat variable history of vaccines from those times…and being so protective of their children passes on their concerns…..maybe someone can check.?
I am grateful that saker commentators have brought much info and links to independant qualifiable sources from around the world for us to use what commonsense and trust senses that we have been able to develop with the assistance of this website and commentators who have a genuine concern….that much of mainstream media would not have permitted us to have access too.
Dear Saker,
There are several potentially interesting topics involving Covid19. You have chosen one, and I think it is a strong argument that puts the “other side” in a tough situation.
I won’t list the other topics here, because as things stand, the mention of certain words is enough to inflame commenters’ passions to the point where objective discussion is impossible. That is regrettable for all of us.
I would not mind so much when passions are enflamed, if at the end of the discussion people could go their own way. Those who want a vaccination can have a vaccination, and those who don’t can choose not to.
In my experience, those who have reservations about vaccinations are not arguing that everyone should not have a vaccine. This seems tolerant.
In my experience, those who support vaccinations do argue that everyone should have a vaccine, and some subset of those support using force if necessary. This seems intolerant.
You seem to have experience with some unpleasant people who are “intolerant and bigoted”. I’m sorry to hear that, but I have no doubt that such people exist and would abuse you and your blog.
The crux of the argument for mandatory vaccination is the “herd immunity” concept. It seems to me that if this concept were absent or not accepted, we would indeed have the situation where every adult can make their own decisions. If so, it is critically important that this concept be exposed to the most rigorous examination.
To put it crudely, there is a kind of argument that goes: “everyone must comply with this dictat or else we will all die!”
We see it with climate change (if you all do not agree then you will cause my child to die!)
We see it with vaccination (if you all do not agree then you will cause my child to die!)
(a third example would make this line of thinking look stronger, but that’s all I have for now :-)
Now, I’m not saying that climate change is or is not anything. I’m just pointing out that the argument has a certain pattern. Do you see it?
I’m not saying vaccination is or isn’t anything. I’m just pointing out that the argument has the same pattern.
And that pattern crushes human freedom.
Can we still have a good result and not crush human freedom? Yes! Objective discussion with facts where participants take a truly scientific approach and agree to rigorously argue against their own positions in a higher search for truth. When that has been done, we get widespread consensus based on reality that hardly anyone disagrees with. For example, flat-earthers are not a political force. No-one gets angry that some guy thinks the world is flat. Why not? Because we overwhelmingly agree that the world is round because that matches reality.
We do not all overwhelmingly agree about peak oil, climate change, the Skripals, and vaccination. When we do not all overwhelmingly agree – maybe there is something interesting to explore?
Dear Saker, I carefully worded this post. I hope you find nothing offensive in it. I intend to continue to support you. I may disagree with you sometimes, but I always bear your opinion in mind in case the future shows it to be truer than my current opinion (which changes as I find out more).
Best of luck, and as they say in my country: Don’t let the bastards grind you down! :-)
Dear Saker
Greetings. You have not correctly framed your Covid question. Covid is a scientific question and not one that be decided based on the collective beliefs of world leaders. The path of reasoning you have suggested cannot answer the question. To address Covid-19, the first question that needs to be answered is, Does the Corona virus exist or not? I can see the surprise on your face. What a stupid question you say. I assure it is far from a stupid question. Dr Stefan Lanka had offered a prize of 100,000 Euros to anyone who can prove that the measles virus exist. One claimant came forward and the matter went to courts in Germany, though Dr Lanka lost in the lower courts, he won in the supreme court. Dr Andrew Kaufman and Dr Tom Cowan are widely known proponents of the fact that there is no Virus. You will be surprised to hear that NO VIRUS HAS EVER BEEN SHOWN TO EXIST IN NATURE. All scientists who believe in viruses, show the existence of viruses by going through a fabrication process in the lab and then claim voila the virus. Dear Saker you will need to do some digging yourself personally, using your own eyes and your own logic, to verify the fabrication process for viruses. Do a search on bitchute.com for the named specialists i mentioned. I am an engineer and scientist, my specialty is machine learning (what people wrongly calls Artificial Intelligence), I found no problem at all in reading the covid-19 papers and together with Koch’s postulate in drawing solid a conclusion about the existence of the so-called covid virus. If you do not do some basic research in this area, then you will have missed the biggest crime against humanity ever perpetrated. After you have studied the existence of the virus, then please have a look at Event 201, then at previous pandemics. Watch the presentation of Dr Dave Rasnick ( the advisor to an ex-south african president an AIDS) at https://www.bitchute.com/search/?query=dr%20dave%20rasnick&kind=video to understand how the WHO changes the definition of a disease to create a pandemic. Watch the Nobel Prize Winner Kary Mullis at https://www.bitchute.com/video/GcCyNHmI7S0/ where he explains how he found out that those who claimed that HIV causes AIDS could not provide any proof of their beliefs. Kary Mullis invented the PCR test and said that it cannot detect infections. So what we have is a PCR pandemic that is being manipulated through disease definition and cycle number of PCR test. Amongst those you call anti-vaxxers, as if its a swear word, there are some who believe that a virus exist but that the vaccines are poisonous. Others believe that there is no virus, therefore the vaccine becomes suspect by definition. You have missed the documentary called plandemic by Dr David Martin at https://www.bitchute.com/video/4u7rt61YeGox/ . You have also missed the interviews at https://planetlockdownfilm.com/full-interviews/. Dear Saker, please come out of your slumber, do some basic research of your own. We need you with us to face this calamity. You are a truth seeker and so are Dr Lanka and Dr Martin. They are banned from all major platforms because they found out the truth. May God be with your guide.
Dear Saker,
I am no longer a naïve child believing that only the best become leaders within our government.
I was a policeman; for seventeen years and sixteen years I was a policeman, but I ran into something called police corruption. Corruption is like a 16ft double brick wall which one is supposed to jump over, and it hurts when you run into it, believe me it hurts!
But corruption is not just within the police farce, it is also within our various bureaucracies, and in the State of Victoria, in Australia, it is completely rampant within our three pillars of our society. Corruption is strife within the government, the judiciary the parliament and the police, and there was no better example of this wholesale corruption than in the government attack of the Roman Catholic Church terminating with the trial of Cardinal George Pell on the sole evidence of one witness, one unnamed witness and absolutely nothing more.
I believe it was the Frenchman Voltaire who stated that I may not believe in what you say but I will defend to my death the right to say it. Yes, well guess what; Voltaire is dead, and so is our right to be ‘wrong’ also dead!
There are plenty of proper experts who disagree with the United Nations stance on this latest ‘Pandemic’ , the most noted I would believe to be Professor Luc Montagnier, that Frenchman who was awarded the Nobel Prize in about 2005 for his work on HIV. As a side note are you aware of the report, it made the headlines in Australia, that the Australian vaccine trials were stopped as they were giving out false HIV readings? WTF!!!
In around 2017, the most powerful couple (husband and wife) in Canberra was reported to be Trevor Sutton and his wife Jane Halton. You know, Jane Halton who was at ‘Event 201’ in New York under the ANZ banner, along with three other Australians including the head of Johnson & Johnson, and of course George Gao, the Chinese CDC head.
Now coincidently, Jane Halton’s brother in law, Professor Brett Sutton is the CMO in Victoria, and the manner in which Dr. Brett Sutton obtained the title of Professor is not that well documented because he received it as a gift from Margaret Gardener, the Vice Chancellor of Monash University in Melbourne. In other words Brett Sutton got his title of ‘Professor’ out of a ‘Wheaties’ packet!!! But it gets even better; Jane Halton is now also working in Victoria, supporting her brother in law, Brett Sutton. Talk about keeping it in the family.
And then you study history, just a wee bit, and you get the ‘Bird Flu’ from 2003 which emanated from China, and caused massive losses to China’s fowl industry. Then in 2009 there was the ‘Swine Flu’ which again emanated out of China, and again caused massive damage to the Chinese pork industry, and of course we are not supposed to connect any of this with the goings on at Fort Detrick in Maryland are we, And then there was that whisper that the CIA and the WHO had been in cahoots since at least 1948.
Of course that has nothing to do with the CIA requests for the US Army to bomb the Chinese Embassy in Yugoslavia back in 1999, or again the Chinese Embassy in Afghanistan in 2001, but that does give the impression that the CIA really doesn’t like Chinese takeaway.
But it was the WHO that decreed the outbreaks of the Bird Flu in 2003 and the Swine Flu in 2009, both of which in the end of about a year fizzled away into the memory holes, and possibly deeper. But then it was also the WHO who decided to expand the definition of ‘Pandemic’ about three years ago, about the same time there was a serious outbreak of Influenza in Australia that was linked to the deaths of many elderly residing in aged care facilities (there were reports of twelve deaths at one facility alone) where it was mandatory for those residents to receive the ‘Flu shot’, and then Australians were promised that the problems with the ‘Flu shots’ would be resolved.
As a final comment, in jest of course, if we consider the villain’s comment in the James Bond film, ‘Thunderball’ or was it ‘Goldfinger’ that one was accidental, two was coincidence and three was enemy action? Well let’s see, 1 was China, 2 was Iran (at Soleimani’s wake) and 3 was Italy, and even back then there was panic as it was announced that the virus was mutating even back then as there were then 5 strains of the virus.; and is Delta only the fourth letter in the Greek alphabet?
@Andrew S MacGregor
Australian participants in Event 201.
Very interesting. Do you have the other names?
Can I suggest you put Prof Edward Holmes of the Marie Bashir Institute based at Sydney Uni on your “watch list”.
In Feb 2020 he was trumpeting he’d personally been to the Yunnan bat caves. And that he was the “first in the world” to publish the covid genome.
After this SMH article he announced “media:never again” after “conspiracy theorists” wanted to know more about him and his activities.
The perfect virus: two gene tweaks that turned COVID-19 into a killer
Liam MannixMarch 29, 2020
https://www.smh.com.au/national/the-perfect-virus-two-gene-tweaks-that-turned-covid-19-into-a-killer-20200327-p54elo.html
I went down a rabbit hole looking into Prof Holmes.
He’s remarkably well “connected”.
Collaborations globally and links across lots of academic institutions. Including China. (Shsssh. Racist).
Of course, only a “conspiracy nut job” would see any of this as sinister.
He’s NSW Scientist of the Year 2020. Because of his covid work.
Anyway.
Maybe it’s something. Maybe nothing. Maybe put him on your radar.
Dear White Whale,
In regard to Event 201 I can list three of the Australian players, but I’ve misplaced the fourth players CV
(Sarah) Jane Halton, AO, PSM. FAICD. FIPPA, is a member of the board of the ANZ bank, Clayton Utz, the Australian Strategic Policy Institute, and the US Institute of Health Metrics and Evaluation. She is chairman of the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations, COTA, and Vault systems. Her 33 year career in the Australian public service included nearly 15 years as Secretary of the Department of Finance and Secretary of the Department of Health and Aging. She has extensive experience in health policy and delivery, the delivery of the Australian government budget, and the management and performance of Australian government agencies. Ms Halton has held a number of significant roles in global health governance, including as chair of the board of the World Health Organization (WHO), president of the World Health Assembly, and chair of the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) health committee.
Adrian Thomas serves as Vice President Global Public Health, at Johnson & Johnson. He is responsible for global health programs and strategy addressing Global Health Security threats and pandemic preparedness including antimicrobial resistance (AMR), Multi Drug Resistance Tuberculosis (MTRTB), Ebola, Dengue Fever, HIV vaccines amongst others.
Sofia Borges is the UN Foundation’s Senior Vice President and Head of the New York office. In this role she serves as chief liaison with United Nations leadership and the diplomatic community, working to identify new opportunities for building and deepening partnerships. ~ From 2002 to 2016, Ms Borges held various positions at the Permanent Mission of Timor-Leste to the UN including six years as Ambassador and Permanent Representative. ~ Ms Borges holds degrees in anthropology, political science, and la3w from the Australian National University, Canberra, and Northern Territory University Darwin. She speaks Teturn, English and Portuguese.
That’s the Australians for you. Now for George Fu Gao; Professor George F. Gao is the Director-General, Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention; a Professor in the Institute of Microbiology , Chinese Academy of Sciences, President of the Chinese Society of Biotechnology; and President of the Asian Federation of Biotechnology (AFOB) Dr. Gao obtained his DPhil degree from Oxford University, UK, and did his postdoc work in both Oxford University and Harvard University with a brief stay in Calgary University.
But then, check this out: Dr. Anthony Fauci and Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention Director George Gao’s email exchanges were exposed Tuesday by the Washington Post, depicting a cozy relationship with his Chinese counterpart.
But there is another interesting character at the Event 201; Stephen C. Redd. RADM Stephen C. Redd is the Deputy Director for Public Health Service and Implementation Science at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). Dr. Redd ~ responded to the 2014 West Africa Ebola outbreak, when he helped to ensure that congressional stakeholders were kept up to date on the evolving outbreak. Previously, Dr. Redd served as incident commander for the 2009 H1N1 pandemic response, which was the longest activation of CDC’s Emergency Operations Center at the time ~ he aided in the effort to vaccinate 81 million people against H1N1 in the United States. De Redd has participated in many disease outbreak investigations and responses, including Legionnaires’ disease, strategic development for the control of malaria, and the elimination of measles in the United States.
Rightio, that covers some of the ‘Event 201’ players, but as for your second topic, Professor Edward Holmes, I am totally ignorant, not surprisingly as this is not my normal area of interest. However, Sydney University is called home to a couple of players for the United Nations Gun Control; i.e. the former New Zealand disc jockey, Philip Alpers, and his old mate Professor Simon Chapman of the AIC (Aust. Institute of Criminology), and both were active during Obama’s second term in office when the Democrats were trying to foist the Australian gun control aspects onto the Americans.
The “experts” and the BBC in the UK have all taken huge sums of money from Bill Gates. FOI requests reveal that no virus has ever been isolated. Snippets of RNA found in PCR “tests” were inserted into a computer template that defined the viral genome. This is NOT honest science. In fact, it is not science at all.
FOI requests reveal there is NO SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE that this illness is even contagious. The only real science investigating person-to-person transmissibility of flu-like symptoms took place during The Spanish Flu and unvestigations found the SF could NOT be passed from person to person.
The inventor of the PCR test driving public policy globally said this (manufacturing process) should NEVER be used to identify a viral pathogen.
So the whole thing is really looking like fraud already … furthermore …
… discussing these issues in public is TOTALLY FORBIDDEN by the media and political class in public. The only reasonable explanation for this is that the PTB at the top know they are “lying about everything” (an accusation against them used by ex-Pfizer VP and head of Scientific Research, Mike Yeadon).
Watch this lecture delivered to the FSB by a Russian professor regarding the structure of political power on earth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAQXfC3S9lM&t=
The global rulers, lying criminals** that they are, are determined to make us slaves within their digital prison, like China but worse.
It’s obvious.
So please don’t abuse people you disagree with by sneering at their reverence for their own beliefs. We believe these things because God gave us good minds and we believe what we say based on information like the above.
Please ANSWER the facts.
Please debate the real issues.
Putin wanted to stand against the string-pullers but appears to realise that this is unacceptable to them. These forces can remove him easily because careerist arseholes ON A MASSIVE SCALE OBEY THESE PEOPLE. Inside Russia too. Money can do just about anything. When you are planning to destroy human societies across the earth, destroying a Putin or even his country is not such a big deal. These people have instruments at their command that we know very little about.
**I believe our rulers are Luciferians allowed by God to do what they do for our spiritual betterment. We come here to “eat the fruit of the tree of good and evil.” Facing evil, including sometimes succumbing to it is how we learn.
These Luciferians know there are certain rules they must obey. They can lie and pressurize but cannot force us to do evil. This WE must choose to do ourselves. Many refuse to take responsibility for finding the truth. Many comply for mere supposed convenience.
The Luciferians also know their time is nearly up. They are totally showing their hand. Many of us will fall but a portion of humanity will cleave to and surrender to the Divine and will be pioneers after the great transformation when the Christ mind envelops the earth and fills every human heart.
We are at the beginning of the ‘Armageddon’ event or, if you prefer, at the end of the Kali Yuga.
Everything is being exposed, including the ultimately servile nature of those entities we regard as our rulers , i.e. our governments, who are merely managers or (as the word itself literally informs us) mind-controllers, here today, gone tomorrow, for the real ruling entity that has dominated structures on this planet for the past thousands of years.
First,
Here is an interesting, relevant article on the use of Ivermectin:
Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of COVID-19
Infection: A Systematic Review, Meta-analysis, and Trial
Sequential Analysis to Inform Clinical Guidelines
Andrew Bryant, MSc,1
* Theresa A. Lawrie, MBBCh, PhD,2
Therese Dowswell, PhD,2 Edmund J. Fordham, PhD,2
Scott Mitchell, MBChB, MRCS,3 Sarah R. Hill, PhD,1 and
Tony C. Tham, MD, FRCP
Second,
I find ad hominem attacks and name calling generally unhelpful and take away from many of the great discussions here. Let’s leave that stuff to MSM.
Third,
Many people don’t trust big pharma and big big government. This lack of credibility is making it difficult to achieve public health aims.
Fourth,
I have worked in a regulatory capacity regarding C-19for the last 16 months. Let’s just say there’s tricky business afoot.
Fifth,
All folks should judge their absolute risk for C- 19 versus C-19 vac risks and make an informed decision.So far I’ve stood back to survey the options. My first choice AZ got stopped in Canada lol. Thankfully, my Mom didn’t take thalidomide when her doctor pushed it at her. And I wish that I had refused Vioxx a few years ago. My tetanus shot a few months ago made me a little nauseous and unable to drive for a while, but did not deter my generally pro vax perspective.
Sixth,
Young people often have more problems with the vax then with C-19. Plus rich countries are hogging the vaccines. The 10 richest countries have gotten %70 of the vaccines. Ethical?
Lastly, like the Trump derangement syndrome, we can’t let our distrust of big pharma and big Gov blind us from taking help from repeat, indemnified serial offenders. Opiates, for example. And to it top it off, the rampant, chronic censorship taking place in the West is sickening to behold. And shows there are some sociopaths at work.
An important part of the calculation for me is that the same propaganda machine that told us the Russians stole the 2016 election for Mr. Trump, and many other lies, is pushing so very hard for these transfection agents.
Adverse reaction reports are ignored, denied, covered up, and buried. By some accounts tens of thousands of people have died from the vaccine. Or apparently from the vaccine. Here is a story of one. He was elderly, but suddenly took a turn for the worse and died. Another story is of Tiffany Dover, the young (30ish?) nurse who passed out, apparently from anaphylactic shock, while making a promotional video for the jabs, and hasn’t been heard from since.
All of the most prominent jabs contain the genetic code for the ‘spike’ protein, which is apparently the cause of the most dramatic symptoms of the disease. And in my not so humble (but non-medically-endorsed) opinion, that is the reason for many of the adverse reactions. The spike protein is insanely toxic.
So, it’s a gamble — take the jab, and a guaranteed (but poorly controlled) dose of the toxin, or depend on the same immune system which must deal with the transfection to intercept the wild respiratory virus. Because the side effects of the vaccine are the same as the symptoms of the disease, there is that calculus. But there is a chance I’ll dodge the bullet with the virus — the people cooped up on those cruise ships, and on the aircraft carriers did not all become ill. In fact, only a small minority showed any symptoms. With the jab, the challenge is guaranteed.
And finally, although I have no real opinion about the couple of staples of tropical medicine which are being used off–label, I find it disturbing that 100 percent of medical effort and attention are going to inoculation, and 0 percent of medical attention is going to managing the symptoms of the disease, for which there are well established drugs (to treat inflammation, clotting, etc)..
So, that’s the calculation. The pistol has five empty chambers…
I wanted to expand on a couple of those thoughts —
—- Underreported adverse reactions:
There are many more such stories. One was from a doctor who was mocking vaccine critics on social media, gets the jab and a month later goes silent (with an obituary). Four British Airways pilots died after their mandatory jab, and a number of others are impaired. The airline insists that it was not the jab, but pilots’ health is usually closely monitored — what a coincidence that they turn up ill just now.
—- Poorly controlled dose:
What I mean by this is that, while the injection contains a carefully metered quantity of mRNA cocktail or advector particles, the resulting dose of toxin will vary from one person to another.
Transfected cells will crank out viral toxins at a more or less constant rate until they are stopped by an immune response. But there will be variation in the number of cells expressing the protein, in which organ/tissue, variation in the length of time taken for the person’s immune system to recognize the affected cells, and no doubt a number of other factors. Some people may also have an immunity to the adenovirus used as a vector. (Sputnik uses two serologically distinct vectors for the first and second dose)
Of course in the case of a wild virus infection, the population of toxin-producing cells expands exponentially until they are stopped. So there is more damage potential from the wild virus. Your immune system needs to hop to it in a matter of hours!
Whether you get the jab or not, you need to take care of your health — other commenters have already mentioned their preferences. I supplement with vitamins C, D, and E, sometimes fish oil, and try to stay hydrated.
Thanks for all you do, @Saker, and many many thanks to the hardworking mods!
Here I am answering myself again. It’s how we roll, in America — ‘normal’ is a clusterf**k.
From the reports I have seen leaked on alt media, my not-at-all-humble opinion is that these ‘gene code’ shots should NEVER be given to children, nor to pregnant or nursing mothers, and probably not to anyone under the age of 50. The boffins need to finish (honestly) testing this version, and should probably look for a better epitope.
But for myself, I have almost talked myself into asking my local clinic if they have any J&J shots left.. I am old, and although in generally good health, my old lungs and circulatory system can’t endure as much nonsense as those of a younger person.
I am not anti-vaxx but as I am not in a high risk category, I am taking a wait-and-see approach.
As I understand it, these are not vaccines in the commonly understood meaning of that word, they have not been subjected to anything like a real clinical trial, we have no idea what the long-term side-effects might be, they do not appear to work as well as advertised, and do not offer protection against new strains/variants.
I doubt the “official” death toll in the US, and Covid is clearly not as dangerous to healthy non-elderly people as was initially proclaimed. Florida never completely locked down or masked up, for example, and did not suffer anything like the number of hospitalizations and deaths that were predicted or might have been expected given the median age of the population there.
I cannot get the sort of medical care that Putin, Xi, Khamenei, Maduro, Arce (and Morales!) and Diaz-Canel can count on, which could be taken as an argument either way, but having already received untested/experimental drugs once from the government, I am not inclined to do so again.
At this point, many governments in the West, at least, are facing a total collapse of credibility. Fauci never had any credibility in my book to begin with, going all the way back to his role in the heterosexual AIDS panic. In the US in particular, we have had to believe, un-believe, and perhaps one day re-believe a half-dozen impossible things before breakfast. The vaccines will be declared to have worked, regardless of whatever the actually existing reality turns out to be, ala “dizzy with success.”
I think all this accounts for the censorship around discussion of Ivermectin: if it turns out that a cheap and widely available preventative treatment has been available all this time…
First of all, let me say this up front: Far from an honest inquiry in to the “truth,” whatever in the hell that is these days, this piece reads like just so much more agitprop to me. Frankly I expect much better from The Saker and this site and I’m beginning to wonder about much of the other information shared here accordingly.
Second: I’m a budget analyst for one of the “premiere” (irony quotes) and most “prestigious” scientific institutions in the world today (hint, we unleashed the nuclear genie a few years back and my former address was at Oppenheimer Place), and so I know full well the process of funding for scientific studies, and thus eventually scientific consensus, and to say the least, I’m quite a bit less than thoroughly impressed. I know full well how science gets approved, which determines how all their high fallutin’ opinions get arrived at, and how that then gets propagated to a lapdog press, and then magically transformed to scientific orthodoxy. In the end, Forrest Gump was right, science is as science does, and one thing you can be absolutely sure of: science, just like everything else in the world today, does exactly what big money tells it to do. PERIOD!!!
Third: Why? This is a no brainer, even for someone like me who actually has a brain and uses it often to keep it supple. I’m 63, I exercise outdoors A LOT (living at 7,200 ft base altitude) and take supplements (which the US FDA has now evidently declared war on!), I’m a little bit overweight (5’10”, 200 lb) according to the weight charts that my idiot doctor preaches to me about, am on medication to control very moderate BP issues, and my blood sugar levels are technically “pre-diabetic” (A1C test: 6.0), but you know what? Since this whole Covid scam first unfolded (and I’m calling it a scam, because that’s exactly what it is), I’ve had exactly ZERO issues whatsoever in spite of taking exactly ZERO precautions whatsoever (NO handwashing, NO hand sanitizer nonsense, NO facemasks other than as mandated by law, and NO concerns whatsoever other than for the mental health of my fellow inmates. And oh yeah, I live in the midst of a multi-national contingent of highly paid scientific people from all over the world (including Russia, one of my best friends is a relative youngster from St Pete) who travel all over the world regularly in the course of their jobs. But oh yes, of course, local management, which takes their orders from their DC agitprop funders, continues to spew the official nonsense. Now as a “resister,” I’m targeted for nasal swab drive throughs as a condition of employment (even though I now work from home) every other weak to confirm what I already know: that there IS NO FREAKING VIRUS! Yes, it’s true, you JUST CAN’T FIX fucking stupid!
Fourth: Saker, you should know better. You need to turn that highly focused lens of scrutiny back on yourself my friend. This article is beneath you and it’s demeaning and insulting to your readers. You’ve been taken in by the fear-mongers and the bullshit artists; I get it – it happens. I too was taken in by the 9-11 scam for a few years after it happened. How could they possibly get away with that, it couldn’t possibly have gone down like that, they couldn’t possibly smart enough, I thought! But guess what? Subsequent investigations have all revealed who, how, and why, and it turns out none of it was that hard at all, given almost unlimited money, resources, and will to succeed. COVID is nothing more than the next iteration of 9-11. Are Russia and China in on it too? I, like you, certainly don’t want to believe that, but I have no sacred cows to preserve in this argument. I’m willing to go bravely wherever the facts eventually lead me.
I might add, guess where the nano-thermite used in the controlled demolitions of the twin towers (and the third) on 9-11 were first developed? Uh huh. It’s all in the public realm, but you have to look for it.
In short, absolutely nothing could possibly surprise me anymore, so all this dismissive talk of “conspiracy theories” and the like I find childish and amusing.
I can live with this comment and opinion from Disaffected. It makes a ton of sense to me.
a Covid 19 makes no sense if is not a bioweapon
b All that is mandated in response appears intended to stop popular commiseration…wear masks, socially distance in particular. It is as if the elites are in fear of popular revolutionary eruption and created a means to prevent any such thing happening
c Wearing masks seem, feels like a conscious calculated attempted to worsen any Covid virus that might be out there according to their warning. It is so simple to realize that if one caught a breath of Covid, then put on a mask to shop for an hour or 2 for example, they would be breathing and re-breathing in the Covid imprisoned by their mask, giving them every chance to become infected
d Then the lockdowns seemed more of masking on a grand scale. there were expert cries everywhere that lockdowns were and are counterproductive yet the proliferated by government directive everywhere. but lockdowns have a totally destructive effect on economies especially small business, on the education of the children all the way up to university level
e Authority appeared to lose all knowledge of how the human immune system works to protect humanity, lost all faith in such human immunity and in nature itself, and proceeded to work against the human immune system directly
f and now the vaccines are irrelevant because they do not prevent Covid 19. Lots of people who are vaccinated are reputed to be getting the virus. so if there is no Virus in the first place where are the vaccinated getting Covid 19 from? Are the vaccines actually causing or giving the vaccinated a Covid like illness?
I want trust Vlad Putin, he certainly has done a great Job for Russia. On that basis I do him the favor of keeping my mind open on the question of his veracity. He did a very interesting act there opening up in marathon form to a question and answer with the Russian people.
and I love how he has kept Syria intact preventing the Zionist pipeline to Europe on their swallowing up of Syria which did not happen…so there is reason to keep such an open mind.
Yet Putin has all those Zionists running around Russia with tons of money capable of anything at all!! that I find to be most interesting indeed. and his attitude, opinion and commentary on the “Covid Pandemic’ leaves a whole amazing lot to be desired
Sorry for the rather long-winded rant everyone, but as you can see this one got my blood boiling. Whatever it is that’s going on with this “thing,” and let’s face it, none of us know for sure what it is quite yet. Just like 9-11, we know (or should know!) that the official story line is a load of steaming crap, and that’s all that I need to know personally to resist an entirely untested so-called “vaccine” for a mystery disease that might not even exist in any particular area (whatever it is, I think it was a targeted release, and I think that there were at least several variants) that isn’t preventative, isn’t palliative, and isn’t anything else good, but has been extensively documented to cause harm and even death already in the short term. And of course, we don’t even know yet what the long term effects are going to be, although I can’t imagine that they will be good. Want to be a guinea pig for big pharma? Well then, step right up, buy the ticket, and take the ride. But don’t come back whining later when your common sense finally kicks in and you realize you’ve been had. Terminally.
I am a Covid dissident and have no intention of getting the vaccine primarily because of my suspicion and contempt for the American authorities who are trying to threaten me to submit to them. Even so, your argument is quite good and amusing, and I love your work. Thank you! I will remain a dissident and I expect the authorities here will try to exclude me from commerce and public events. I’m willing to admit vaccines might be helpful, but I do not trust the authorities or institutions in America. I might be persuaded to take a Russian or Persian vaccine.
Dear Saker,
Having read the majority of the comments, I can only say two things.
1) TRM’s reply nailed it. No need to repeat.
2) Although Putin has several times said that he opposes mandatory vaccinations, he justified the mandating of vaccines that has occurred in several regions in Russia. I listened to his response myself during his recent, prolonged Q & A that was open to all and teceived millions of questions.
As always, he used existing Russian law as his justification. My intuition is that his stated opposition to mandatory vaccines is due to Nuremberg-related issues; he wants to be consistent with international law. But he can’t have it both ways.
Dear Ciaran, TRM nailed it and so do you. If people lose their job by not taking the vaccine, the vaccine is mandatory. Period.
There is one thing I like to add: appeal to authority is a logical fallacy. So I don’t understand this “are you qualified? ” thing. It’s kicking the man not the ball.
The jury is still out on the covid years, in 5 or 8 years, if no altering of the human genes finds its way to truth, it shall all be worth it as they say. (possibly aside from the economics side of the equation).
If some strange defect accompany’s the virus shot, then the rule of survival of the fittest comes to the fore and those who chose not to vaccinate will wind up on top of the health charts, its really as simple as that, this is uncharted territory.
I’m voting for vax monkey, that funky junkie.
Just one question.
Do you believe the face diaper is protecting you against c19?
All i need to know lol
Saker,
The posts by Mohammad, Andrew S. MacGregor, Osa Kim and Disaffected should give you pause in your ‘glitter of certitudes’. These are people who seem to have knowledge (unless, of course, they are lying, but how can one tell who lies on the internet?).
My advice – pray to God for wisdom, look around you, think, and do not believe politicians – in that order.
My pick is explanation n, in which its irrelevant whether its logic or not.
Leaders are to serve us, not to force us. I want to decide for myself what happens to my body, I see this as my right.
Assuming this is a virus like any other, it has its time to come, and go. Our bodies have been dealing with this nature from its very start. Its part of our life.
The so called covid vaccines are new technology. The best known about these is that it cannot be known what they finally do, and do more than supposed to do.
Logic, what logic? What about emotion ?
It does not feel good to me to allow an unknown substance in my body which can have more, and long lasting negative effects than a virus like assumed above.
Nor does it feel good to see a whole range of leaders making such a pressure like we see now to get us all jabbed, which indeed includes. censorship, division, banning, bashing, suppressing, just like you dear Saker also do not like to read from your invited bloggers.
Trusting leaders, having the best advisors ? …We have decades of people dying by hunger 9 million annually… Was this by the best logic, best advise, best cooperation too ?
What if these jabs will cause terrible long lasting effects, not even being that hypothetical, like sterility, dementia, death ? … Will those leaders, and their best advisors have a solution for that too ?
Each of us do best and better than those leaders to decide for themselves… Whether they take or refuse the jab. The best leaders should support that.
It’s a new technology (MRNA gene therapy). It stresses the immune system; your body will keep making these spikes forever and releasing them into your blood stream. They have been found to damage the veins. Who knows what kind of immune system response or problems this will cause in the future. This is an experiment and untested and you are the guinea pig or lab rat.
And it is all being done for a disease that doesn’t do much damage to the vast majority of people.
I respect this website and our host the good Saker, but his attitude toward this matter surprises me.
Thank you sincerely for responding ( to my comment ? )
Basically I very much like the challenging question here. It is a question I also have asked myself when finding myself in this maze of thinking, indeed having the very same leaders in mind about their role in this. Honestly, I find it very confusing to see in particular those leaders at (nearly) the same side as the ones of the West. And of course, this has even made me consider to qualify all of those as dumb, or stupid, or cruel, or quilt, and or all of these combinations.
Yet, in answering The Saker I felt so free to escape the 4 options, ignoring all those leaders, all the ‘logic’. all their ‘best’ advisors because of two main reasons.
First, humans seem to be held as rational beings, but that is not true. Humans try to be rational, which is good, but not the only best, We are as much emotional beings, and there is nothing wrong with that. Yet, in this ‘pandemic’ there is undeniable induced fear, meant to manipulate, being very successful. Which again confirms my point of humans being emotional beings. Yet, my feelings make me turn away from what is obviously being used as manipulation. I turn away from fear mongering, and I get up to pronounce I am human, and no matter what leader, if they are good, even the best, they always need to proof me they are, and that includes respecting human values, the freedom of choice of what is good and bad, and especially respecting each individual to take care for their very own body and mind. None of those leaders are God, and none should not even think they are close !
If they did well at all, and if their support for getting this brand new ‘vaccine’ to safe us, fine, but do not push it ! Let all who believe its fine take it, and respect all others (do not use branding like anti vaxxer and Virus Deniar !) who decide otherwise. If the jab is good, the believers will be safe. Problem solved. Period.
Secondly, and I agree with you, this is entirely new technology sold as vaccination. Both, not only the mRNA, also the Adeno directed jabs (Astra and Johnsson) do the same. Making our bodies Spike Proteine factories.
If it was only the inventor of mRNA technology being critical, warning about the risks as the campaign is running now. He is not the only expert being critical. There are indeed many experts from molecular, micro biology, virology, pharmacology, epidemiology etc. who, even when not being paid that well like mr. Fauci. mr Gates, mr. Dasac. warning us for most severe consequences. Even when not appointed to the WHO, or the personal staff of whatever of those leaders, they warn us with sound reason, well based, even better than the WHO and all those shady opaque pharmaceutical companies.
So if those leaders can at all claim to have the very best experts as the saker seems to believe, than maybe they still missed some expert in communication science for they are all part of suppressing those other experts. One good lesson from Social psychology: Do not give a human the impression they are being manipulated, because this will cause suspicion and turning away. Trust comes on feet, but leaves on horses.
The Saker could provide us a good overview of both sides about all the measures we have seen being rolled out globally, face masks, lock downs, social distancing, and about these ‘vaccines’ …I feel most confident the balance of all scientific proofs show no proof of any which has been imposed by all those leaders, including those the Saker mentioned. If it truly is about science and logic, even then the argument is clear enough. All was wrong ! It might even proof all those leaders, despite of having the best paid experts failed… They failed with using our tax money !
In stead of making anything better, those leaders caused more harm, and made doctor cross their medical oath of not doing harm. …Such leaders who again did not serve us should investigate themselves, their experts, those medics, their media, and even prosecute them !
There you have my opinion a bit more stretched up
Dear Saker – Reading the comments on your post about Covid makes one thing (at least) perfectly clear: BANNING comments about Covid was (still is) absolutely essential for our well-being on the blog (at least until a vaccine against ignorance can be found).
I’m so in agreement with you!
I would classified vast majority of comments I’ve been reading here as a vaccine against ignorance.
I don’t consider myself an “anti-vaxxer”. I do consider myself deeply skeptical of big Pharma, and it thus seemed prudent to wait before getting injected with something like any of the vaccines now available here, produced in great haste, and without the long approval process. In the West, the motive is profit, and that’s also the motive behind the increasing censorship of those willing to question the official line.
I bristle at the non-stop propaganda (and the censorship of voices that dare to question the official party line). This is science Lysenko style. There is not blanket uniformity of opinion among scientists, but it’s easy to get this impression until one really looks. Brett Weinstein, Pierre Kory are two prime examples of such censored voices.
My skepticism does not mean I ‘t take Covid lightly, (though I do think the reaction has been authoritarian and overblown.) I have made prudent arrangements to obtain some off-label drugs shown to be highly effective at treating Covid and reducing risk should I get it. The failure to even look at the effectiveness of such drugs by insisting on long, randomized control trials (at a cost of $20 million or so each) simply means these trials will never get done. I’ve read and listened to a lot of independent sources on this, ones outside regulatory capture, and I feel decently protected.
I’m even more upset at the push to vaccinate the young and healthy, without any real testing on this population. Even more so since it’s since come out that the mRNA vaccines accumulate preferentially in the ovaries and the bone marrow. (It’s a Japanese distribution study– easily Googled, but read the study first, not all the attempts to silence it.)
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The reason why supposed opponents like Trump/Biden, Putin, Xi and many others cooperate on this, you have here. It is not so hard to understand, although I doubt you will even read it:
https://andreacecchi.substack.com/p/the-right-virus-at-the-right-time
These issues happened BEFORE the “pandemic” started. The world finance system and economy needs a reset and rearrangement. This is pure necessity, not a question where the opponents work together out of sympathy. Throes of the emerging multipolar world order. Andrej Bezrukow had detailed the road map here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxeuw25WnBY
Covid19 is the explanation for the people living the Matrix for the draconian measures who have already become so obviously ridiculous one wonders how they can continue this narrative.
About vaccinations: I worked in hospitals for many years. I am vaccinated against a number of things I consider useful. There are others that are pure business. There is no way I will get this experimental genetic therapy.
I agree with number zero:
0. Putin, Xi Jinping, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, Maduro, Arce (and Morales!) and new leader of Cuba, Díaz-Canel – all agree with Putin. Fully.
I live in the US. I would take a proven “vaccine” if it were available. But I don’t think a proven “vaccine” is available in the US, only experimental mRNA injections. I would gladly take Sputnik V but I doubt it would be recognized by the gatekeepers in the US. Til then I keep my vitamin D levels high…
I confess that I’m appalled by many of the posts here denying the seriousness of the covid illness or the effectiveness of vaccines. I live in Brazil, and to see the seriousness of this illness one just have to go to any public hospital here. As for the vaccines, here we started with Coronavac, but since april it has mostly been Astra Zeneca. Only now we are getting Jassen and (very little) Pfizer. The vaccination has started with the older people first, and progressively went down the age group. Recently, it started being given to people in the 40-45 age bracket. What has been seen from last month onward is a large drop in the number of deaths for those age ranges which were vaccinated first. The majority of people getting seriously ill is now fairly younger than it was before the vaccines. This is a fact that merits some thought. This drop in the number of deaths only happened after the vaccines, not while the federal government were hyping the “preventive treatment” (hydroxychloroquine et al) since the beginning of the pandemics here.
I don’t deny there are collateral effects for the vaccines. It would be better if they didn’t exist. However, the lives saved by them are not negligible. I’m not saying either that big pharma is innocent, but we shouldn’t be antivaxx only for that.
As for the anecdotal cases, it cuts both way. I know a few people who have worked since the pandemic started in high-risk places (a bank agency who gets lots of low-income people who has to get their meager government stipend directly from the cashier and a lab where swabs for the covid tests are collected) and who haven’t taken any preventive medicine and have never got ill from covid. I also know two persons, one a doctor, who was taking preventive medicine (and boasted about it…) and unfortunately got covid and died. To be fair, I also know of doctors who work in the front line in the covid treatment who took the preventive medicine and who never got covid. What I am saying is that anecdotal evidence is not scientific proof, and I wouldn’t base my health on it.
I wish good health to us all, and may this damned illness fade away soon. It’s been among us far too long, and left too many people shattered with the death of their loving ones.
I don’t know any body that has died of Covid so I’m appalled at the propaganda that the likes of you have swallowed.
Sorry, but there have been at least 5 people who I know personally who have died from covid since the beginning of the pandemics, one of them just a week ago. I really don’t understand how this qualifies as propaganda…
As I said, we have to be careful not to believe anecdotal evidence as the truth. Not knowing people who died from covid doesn’t make it a fantasy.
“Died from” or “died with”? If you don’t know what the difference is or why this is crucial, you already don’t understand the issue. And that’s just one of hundreds of ways the manipulation works here.
Dear Saker,
I’m all for science. And also for, something that nowadays seems to be forgotten, the precautionary principle. And for personal freedoms.
As such I’m willing to participate in this experiment as control group.
Because thats where we are at. In the middle of a live experience.
Even those that question the pandemic, cannot deny the plandemic.
The smell of violent propaganda and manipulation is on the air from the very beginning.
I find it very hard on those conditions to take any kind of experimental therapy.
To each their own. If you feel safer vaccinated, please do. But don’t judge or scorn those that choose otherwise.
I feel it in my bones with the same certainty as i had at the time that 911 was a conspiracy.
All the same triggers flare clear signals.
You dont want to get into the details, but I suggest you check the studies that argue that just the spike protein is quite harmfull. Or the studies that say that it can act as a prion. And then we talk about what is the purpose of rna therapies that transform uterus and bone marrow into spike protein producers. Cross check that with what the ex of pfeifer said about the subject earlier.
As vincent salandria pointed out as a corollary of his research on JFK conspiracy, all the little details are but distractions.
You need to think what would an impartial actor do, and compare it with what was done. The differences will point out that the acting party was partial to a particular result.
In this case it seems that many actors, with or without knowing and with or without the same goals, are conspiring, and not with our best interests in mind.
I hope I’m wrong about it, but fear not.
An excellent diagnosis!
It looks like everyone expected Putin to walk out there waving a big flag shouting “Ivermectin Ho!”
He did not. Get over it – the gang activity here is to my mind much more of a mind virus than anything else, and I think this is why the Saker wrote this piece and suspended moderation.
Putin is failing at poisoning the citizens and fails at creating mass deaths in Russia with the Russian vaccines up to now.
What I decide about Covid-19, vaccination or not, and with what, is nobody’s business. The more people want to draw others into their favorite groupthink beliefs, the more reason for deep caution. If your faith in your own viewpoint is so strong, and your light glows so bright, why the vitriol? Are you trying to persuade me of your viewpoint – or yourself?
Amarynth
I started writing below when there were only two comments posted …..took a long time to write
and here I am replying to you but really commenting on the Saker’s above article.
Dear Saker Andrei
Interesting issues raised indeed.
Over the past months I have observed, long time friends, some have taken vaccines ,some not ,myself included.
I have sound reasons for doing so thus far.
l wait to see how this all plays out being lucky enough to live rurally with plenty of fresh air and no need to go anywhere except for essentials related to survival in this world, .And by survival I mean food on the table,fire in the grate and a dry roof over our heads, where we live in Ireland a car is essential for rural dwelling so I will include the car too.
My friends are still my friends and I theirs vaccinated or not.What we allow into to this temple of life is each of our choices, any other route is approaching facism.
I completely respect this basic invoiable human right.
Essentially right here we are faced the issue of Sovereignty individual Sovereignty and thus emanating from the individual Sovereign the nations of this earth.
Strength resides in this Sovereignty
Well being resides there, love is king and queen there and all else flows from there that is good in this life.
Challenging as times are such as we are currently in, humanity has faced many times before plagues and survived.
Then the advice of the wise and prophets was;
If one was living in an infected area do not leave this place
If you are infected get all available help.
If one knows of an area infected do not go there.
Stay in your area until danger passes.
Do not give the disease to anyone
Do not get the disease.
To me it appears that these old advices are still logical and effective.
Lockdown with a different twist.
For years many millions including myself around this planet have for the most part taken responsibility for our own health well being ,sometimes because of lack of resources or necessity and at other times pursuing ancient and modern medical learnings, still evolving knowledge as we speak.Keeping ones immune system in good shape is a good way to avoid illnesses, including some sort of fitness regime, all fairly well understood universally.
If one does fall ill we were blessed to have good hospitals to repair out bodies in amazing ways far too numerous to mention here except for being eternally grateful being saved after a bad heart attack by having a stent put in one of my arteries.
Sadly since Covid struck, people having heart attacks and all other serious illnesses now are far more likely to die before being taken care of than pre Covid.
So to address some the issues raised by your honest straightforward, as ever, above writing,I would say that all means that help us to remain healthy and thus keeping a strain off our health systems{Public Health facilities included} are necessary to combat this deadly to all, in one way or another , evolving virus that is challenging all humanity.
This crisis does not require us to divide into camps of Vaxed of Antivaxed and I will not be drawn into such a trap.
I am no fan of “Perfidious Albion” however there is plenty of evidence alone from the British Government NHS “Yellow Card” system of reporting side effects from vaccines, evidence that show us clearly what these vaccines can do to people unfortunate enough to suffer side effects.
Death and many other serious effects are reported from what are essentially still experimental trials being performed on a vast number of people.
I suggest that here may be “Side effect Deniers” around the corner too.
The issues you raised are complex and deserve to be discussed in an honest non dismissive manner.
I am reminded of the guidelines that require unanimous agreement to listen to the dissenting voice because this dissenter may have happened to notice something amiss that has not been noticed by the others, something that may be fatal to the common good.
It does appear that the Russian Sputnik V is the safest and most effective thus far of all the vaccines known.
I can not see the Russian Government wanting to produce any medicine that would harm their own people or any other people.
As for the shower of schoolboys and school mistresses that think they rule over western liberal corporatocracies,they are not to be trusted to approve medicines from corporations with a long track record of producing killer medicines.
If there had been any dangerous side effects from Sputnik V by now, I am sure that the MSM all over would be drenching us in such “information”, however, they have been strangely silent from what I can see and the best the West can do is delay the approval of Sputnik V for as long as possible using the usual formulae.
I would go back to what I wrote above
Don’t give it and don’t get it.
So following from that If the person sees a vaccine as a way to “Don’t get it” this sure makes sense to me.
Alternatively if a person takes due care of themselves in a manner of their own choosing that is not harmful to others as a way to “Don’t Get it” It also makes perfect sense to me.
I a person does “Gets it” then this person should avail of every means available including Herbal remedies,TCM,Hydroxy Chloroquinne,Ivermectin,and any other medicines available and known to counter this virus.In any case if you get Covid a vaccine is of little use there and then.
Responsibility is a much maligned and poorly understood word,when broken down it means our ability to respond.
Applied to our current crisis of Covid amongst all of the other crisises around us being manufactured by military provocations, sanctions,proxie armies, and all that has been reported here and elsewhere worth reading.
Response Ability is multifaceted and definitely includes the ability to respond to a crisis in an informed,reasoned and cautious manner and included in this reasoned and cautious manner is the ability to make a conscious decision to protect our health and well being in such a fashion as we can best choose.
To deny another Human being this fundamental right is opening a very nasty can of worms indeed.
I noticed that VVP mentioned that he was not in favour of mandatory vaccination in his Q&A with the people.
I rest my case as this is beginning to turn into an essay instead of a comment,and please excuse the length as the issue is complex and should not,can not be forced into a “Vax or anti Vax” business with all due respects to people holding a contrary view whatever side of the scene you/we may be currently viewing.
I always enjoy this blog and am grateful for its sanity visiting the Cafe and here, I have not commented this while but you inspired me tonight Andrei
God bless you,yours and all here.
TJT
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Nobody was expecting anything from anybody. We all have done our research or not and we all have made up our minds. But to insinuate that those who hold a different opinion are inferior, anti-vaxxers or any other derogatory term is quite inappropriate. I have seen my comments trashed many times before when I responded to insults and derogatory comments. Example, while in an argument, someone comes back with “you are stuck in your religion and some such”. When you respond “that’s it’s better to be stuck in said religion than imbibe their poison of depopulation,” you get trashed. It seems, there are individuals Whom you shouldn’t disagree with on this blog.
But my main point here is that no one here is an expert and even if they are, they dont have all the facts. Further we know that some experts fix the facts to meet a defined narrative. I can produce experts from both pro and also for anti. As for leaders, they have made some decisions we haven’t agreed with, even Putin, without any sound explanation or reason. To the thinking, we know geopolitics and geo economics involves blackmail, threats, coercion, vested interests etc. Just like no government ever spoke about 9/11. Does that mean the skeptics are wrong? Why does the official narrative fall flat on examination? Likewise, this covid stuff is very questionable. Something is going on here.
– Something is out there, for sure, but the proposed solutions doesn’t hold any water.
– why mandate masks outdoors when sunlight is a great destroyer sanitizer of such germs. The wind also scatters away any congestion of a viral load, does it not? Do I need to be a doctor to know this?
– Why reject and actively suppress drugs that show efficacy like hydroxychloroquine or ivermectin? Why threaten those who want to use them? By the way, neem tree —– any part : leaves, bark etc when boiled is also effective as is tea from conifers such as pine, cedars, firs etc We are using them and we go wherever we like and meet whomever we want. Only mask where its mandated which we keep a healthy distance from anyway unless we have to. Sometime back, we were all sick with corona-like symptoms that were very persistent. That’s when we went to our traditional medicines above and lo and behold, it took less than a day and we became ok. We took for an extra 5 more days just to be sure. Now we take every other day.
– Healthy people taking vaccines are dying. No need to argue about that, the Information is out there.
– what about “event 101”. I am sure we are not intelligent enough to know what it was all about.
– Where is patient zero? Why do have multiple variants from different parts of the world? Even before China? What about those Taiwanese and Japanese scientists that proved covid originated from the US because all variants were from there?
– Why no debate without insults from pro-vaxxers? And wheneven debate is allowed, why is it still limited to certain parameters? Is science afraid of facts?
– the mRNA drugs are experimental drugs that have repeatedly failed in their trials previously. Have they now become safe? Does anyone know the after effects?
I think it’s actually the pro-vaxxers who are Intolerant while they accuse the other. We should be free to hold our opinions without being labelled names. And I believe this is a bioweapon and it may include 5G and 4G technologies that weaken immunity. It may include the same covid vaccines that are actually another vector in spread it. Otherwise why reject vaccines from Russia or China, if it’s only a medical question?
Now, blogs may have been threatened to tow the line or be taken out, others may have been blackmailed, others bribed, etc. There is a lot out there and covid is huge right now. Even if someone takes an illogical stance without much backing up, —- you never know what is happening, with them. Just let it go and continue with your own research unless you always believe someone and not facts. The Saker is entitled to his opinion and that’s all it is : his opinion. Unless he backs it up with facts, it remains so to me. He may say he is agnostic but his comments say otherwise, this written piece says otherwise. Am I his enemy for noticing that? Of course not but it will depend on him and how he takes my opinions.
“gang activity here” ???
“the vitriol” ???
“groupthink beliefs” ???
What in the world are you talking about?
Sounds very defensive.
I expect The Saker and you did not actually expect the avalanche of well-thought-out and polite comments.
Provided in good faith because they didn’t realize The Saker was actually playing a little joke.
Your standards have fallen quite low since you started this blog.
You dont even allow pple to present their own thoughts . Instead you present 4 limited, all equally false options and say we have to choose one of those. Whats with the red ‘all’ text. Are you talking to toddlers?
Heres an option off the top of my head your ‘logic’ didnt cover: maybe some leaders know and others dont . Maybe only 1 or to of them have the means to know. Anyway the choice you represent is false and more fit for a demagogue
Heres a thinking exercise: we all know whappened on 9/11.
Why didnt any of your diverse political leaders speak out on that? Why didnt Khamenei say Israel and the US were behind it? Or Putin?
How many times have you defended Putin
treatment of Israel by stating that hes a statesman whos interested in whats good for Russia and not whats morally good.
Yet now you represent all of them as either liars or good upright politicians.
Who knows, maybe when an opportunity to implement a tighter control on society presents itself no selfrespecting politician will pass up on it especially if they feel war is imminent.
I don’t know–or will ever know– why Pres. Putin changed course so drastically from “the vaccine will only be voluntary in Russia” to “everybody must get the jab.” Maybe he saw top secret research the scientific world (ALL of it, Including the dissenters) are not privy to. Or maybe he was told something really scary in Geneva…like “if you think alpha, beta and delta are bad, you don’t know what gamma can do. A 180-degree turn must have an explanation more credible than… delta.
What I do know is that Saker’s argument that “Khamenei, Maduro, Arce (and Morales!) and Diaz-Canel” can’t be wrong made me laugh. He missed telling us that the Pope has just joined these guys in their scientific opinion.
ariadna, I watch the Russian numbers regularly. For a period there they were around 3000 new infections (and the Russians do not diagnose solely with the PCR test). In a period of about 3 weeks, they went up, first to 12,000 and then to 17,000 and this morning it is +- 24,500 new.
It is summer in the Northern climes. Winter is still coming.
If Putin and his medical cadres did not act, they would be negligent to a great degree.
Who cares about the Pope? We are comparing countries and leaderships that we can trust, more than others. The Pope does not fall into that category imv. Because someone agrees that it is raining if it is raining, it does not mean they are an expert.
Why would I get an experimental medical treatment for a “disease” that is political in nature?
I know far more people who have gotten sick from the vaccine than from the scary coof. I have gotten my other vaccines, but I am deeply suspicious of this one.
In the end, I will try my luck with my non-GMO immune system.
Thank you Saker for allowing me to express my opinion about Covid. It’s very generous of you. A virus that can cause disease has never been isolated according to the gold standard: Koch’s postulates. Germ Theory is complete bullshit. Terrain Theory states that the only cause of disease are toxins and lack of nutrients. I am touched by you complete trust in Dr Fauci and Dr Bill Gates. I personally trust doctors like Stehpan Lanka and Thomas Cowan. Let me be clear, everyone who has taken the Covid vaccine will be dead in 3 years. What a coincidence that multi billionaires increased their wealth exponentially during the hoax. Just remember, pharmaceutical companies love you (almost as much as they love variants)
Agreed! Russia deserve way better than this chicken putin who’s always kneel in front of NATO/US
Speaking of viruses…
There are reports of mass hack attacks on US Supply Chain, numbering in the hundreds currently ongoing (breaking story).
My, my, my – digital viruses attacking digital infrastructure.
Well, US is already laying blame at Putin’s feet, which is very convenient for the Deep State Agenda. They get to assign blame to a political/economic/strategic competitor AND simultaneously produce another faux reason for the inevitable crash of the dollar and the US economy.
Just in time for the Build Back Better Great Reset.
“Hey, it is not our (are:Financial Elite) that the US economy collapsed and crashed the purchasing power of the dollar. It was Russia, Russia, Russia’”.
The Soros/NWO/WEF crowd have already declared their objectives: You will own nothing and be happy. Nation States will all have open borders until they eventually dissolve. You will be required to submit to whatever genetic engineering we demand because of the Plandemic! All the recent past, present and future hacking will have one thing in common – it will further the Global Climate Change/Agenda 21 agenda and it will sow even more chaos.
Just like the 9/11 consensus, all the leaders you spoke of now share the exact level of ‘Covid Cure can only ever be Vax’ consensus… with yearly boosters!
Isn’t that curious?
9/11 consensus requires you deny all known physics and engineering.
Covid consensus requires you deny all known biology and medicine.
Sorry Saker, but I did notice the change in Putin’s support for mass Vax right after the Biden meeting.
Coincidence?
I admired Vlad and Rus.
A lot.
A bulwark of resistance.
Now I have significant doubts.
Prediction: Vax will be mandated globally eventually.
Perhaps some heavenly creator will reneg on his vow and send us a cleansing deluge.
That’s the level of moral and spiritual filth we are surrounded by.
I think Putin et al are all lying. Putin is playing a “long game.” Pretending to go along while protecting Russians with a “clean” vax [not mRNA or graphene oxide]. He’s hoping the perpZ will fall on their faces and the plan will fail. BUT he does not want to confront them directly because he will never win over their ability to “cancel culture” him.
Yes, I think this is a HUGE part of the equation. Putin and Xi have played along with the whole coronahoax, but they have done so with the development of a conventional vaccine, NOT one which alters your body and does all sorts of strange things (like create a spike protein to protect you allegedly, but at the same time they tell you does not provide you any protection and isolation and masks still required).
Obviously I am a fan of the Saker as I read all his articles. Thus I’m surprised by the condescending, almost insulting, introduction he wrote for this thread. The replies he’s made to comments are the kind of thing I’d expect to see on Facebook. Ironic that he wrote warning people about the folly of personal insults, yet he was the one tossing out the most insults in the comments. I don’t get the point of this exercise. Why would an intelligent and well informed writer which to abuse and insult his loyal readers?
Regarding Covid, it is not an all or nothing situation. Most believe there is a virus but it is greatly overhyped. Plus one can oppose all Covid vaccines without being anti-vax because these vaccines have not gone through the normal safety checks. The mRNA aren’t even vaccines, they are gene therapy.
The majority are opposed to seeing their free society destroyed before their eyes. Calling them covid deniers or anti-vax is insulting.
For me personally, facts determine my opinion. Such as:
March-May 2020 all we heard about were death totals. Then when deaths dropped in June all we heard about was cases. It was obvious authorities were manipulating statistics to create maximum fear.
Masks became mandatory where I live the end of July. I’d just had a appointment with my GP(naturally over the phone) and she told me our county had had a dozen cases and no deaths up to that point. There were zero cases when the mask mandate was imposed. Just another way to create more fear. BTW my county still has had zero deaths. Mainly a retirement community, about 40k population, just over a hours drive from Toronto.
Death totals globally were slightly above average for 2020. For a pandemic, people are suppose to die in large numbers. There was no pandemic in 2020!
Government, media and those in the medical community should all know this. How can they claim a pandemic? Are they all that corrupted?
Of course, how can they call vaccines safe when by their own standards(minimum 10 years testing) they cannot be regarded as safe?
How can mRNA vaccines even be allowed when in 2019 it was still illegal to even test them on humans? What changed between 2019 and 2020? What’s more likely: a medical miracle or a corrupt western society reaching a new low?
Regarding new lows: the risk of serious illness in healthy young adults is practically nil. Even less likely in children. If authorities care about their citizens’ health then why are they pushing experimental vaccines – in which mid and long term effects are unknown – on such low risk groups?
Why the obvious coercion of vaccine passports? If the vaccines work then those people are safe, end of story. The passports prove this has nothing to do with health.
Finally thousands of vaccine deaths according to official record keeping in the EU and USA. They used to pull any vaccine that killed 25-50 people. Shows how much they care about their citizens lives.
Even if there were zero deaths and no adverse side effects reported, I would still put my trust in my own immune system over experimental vaccines which have never been completely tested. Given the clear signs that the vaccines can be potentially dangerous I have been stunned by my friends rush to be vaccinated. I’m appalled by their stupidity – mainly trusting the government and media – their willful ignorance and their intellectual laziness.
I believe the Saker understands not trusting western governments and media. Everyone here does, that’s why we read him! Why should we still trust the medical and scientific communities when they are so dependant on government money?
Trust has been broken. Nevertheless I still plan to read and trust much of what the Saker writes about.
From what I have read the not all CDC employees will take the jab. Why? Looks like they would be all on board!
Obviously I am a fan of the Saker as I read all his articles. Thus I’m surprised by the condescending, almost insulting, introduction he wrote for this thread. The replies he’s made to comments are the kind of thing I’d expect to see on Facebook. Ironic that he wrote warning people about the folly of personal insults, yet he was the one tossing out the most insults in the comments. I don’t get the point of this exercise. Why would an intelligent and well informed writer which to abuse and insult his loyal readers?
Regarding Covid, it is not an all or nothing situation. Most believe there is a virus but it is greatly overhyped. Plus one can oppose all Covid vaccines without being anti-vax because these vaccines have not gone through the normal safety checks. The mRNA aren’t even vaccines, they are gene therapy.
The majority are opposed to seeing their free society destroyed before their eyes. Calling them covid deniers or anti-vax is insulting.
For me personally, facts determine my opinion. Such as:
March-May 2020 all we heard about were death totals. Then when deaths dropped in June all we heard about was cases. It was obvious authorities were manipulating statistics to create maximum fear.
Masks became mandatory where I live the end of July. I’d just had a appointment with my GP(naturally over the phone) and she told me our county had had a dozen cases and no deaths up to that point. There were zero cases when the mask mandate was imposed. Just another way to create more fear. BTW my county still has had zero deaths. Mainly a retirement community, about 40k population, just over a hours drive from Toronto.
Death totals globally were slightly above average for 2020. For a pandemic, people are suppose to die in large numbers. There was no pandemic in 2020!
Government, media and those in the medical community should all know this. How can they claim a pandemic? Are they all that corrupted?
Of course, how can they call vaccines safe when by their own standards(minimum 10 years testing) they cannot be regarded as safe?
How can mRNA vaccines even be allowed when in 2019 it was still illegal to even test them on humans? What changed between 2019 and 2020? What’s more likely: a medical miracle or a corrupt western society reaching a new low?
Regarding new lows: the risk of serious illness in healthy young adults is practically nil. Even less likely in children. If authorities care about their citizens’ health then why are they pushing experimental vaccines – in which mid and long term effects are unknown – on such low risk groups?
Why the obvious coercion of vaccine passports? If the vaccines work then those people are safe, end of story. The passports prove this has nothing to do with health.
Finally thousands of vaccine deaths according to official record keeping in the EU and USA. They used to pull any vaccine that killed 25-50 people. Shows how much they care about their citizens lives.
Even if there were zero deaths and no adverse side effects reported, I would still put my trust in my own immune system over experimental vaccines which have never been completely tested. Given the clear signs that the vaccines can be potentially dangerous I have been stunned by my friends rush to be vaccinated. I’m appalled by their stupidity – mainly trusting the government and media – their willful ignorance and their intellectual laziness.
I believe the Saker understands not trusting western governments and media. Everyone here does, that’s why we read him! Why should we still trust the medical and scientific communities when they are so dependant on government money?
Trust has been broken. Nevertheless I still plan to read and trust much of what the Saker writes about.
I am not Anti Vax, vax yourself as often as you think. Vax yourself today tomorrow and every other day as you like. Vax yourself with every stuff you like, with every substance around, i appreciate that
Vax yourself against the alpha beta gamma delta variants of this flu, up to epsilon and up to you..
Vax Putin, Vax this chinese onepartydemocrazyeader, vax Biden vax Merkel and all the other “leaders” that make this artifical scenario agianst the people everywhere.
Vax your children, vax all the people you love, it is up to you. I don*t care.
But i will never tell you why my decision is different. Too complicated to tell, Further i see no reason to explain..
Here is all you need, this man was right from the first time. www. no i dont tell you, find out yourself. i don*t trust you.
Here’s some questions which exposes the whole fraud with the alleged covid-19 virus:
If it’s such a real and dangerous threat, why does the whole coronahoax show need to be have so much fraud (eg: high PCR amplification and fake positives) and non virus/pandemic related things attached to it? Why are there little black fiber “things” in the masks that come “alive” when placed over warm water simulating a human breathing into it? (Yes, I have done this experiment and seen it with my own eyes.)
Truth does not mind being questioned, but a lie does not like being challenged.
Why are challenges to the official lines (lies) being so censored? Surely we can, as adults and a mature species, discuss everything using pure and verifiable science to sort through it all can’t we? If Fauci and big pharma can tell their story, why can’t Dr Judy Mikovitz, Dr Sherri Tenpenny, Dr Vernon Coleman, Dr Carrie Madej, plus many others all labelled as the “disinformation dozen” tell their decades of expertise? Why does Google make is near impossible to find information about anything including opposing information about this virus? Surely you, Saker, know all about how Google actively hides your website and YOUR “fake news”, right?
I could go on almost forever but won’t/can’t. There are just so many things wrong with this coronahoax story. I’m also highly technically aware. I know also how it would be very easy to intercept web traffic and alter it in real time providing fake content – has thesaker or RT for example been altered to show fake news? Just like they made CGI graphics for shootings (eg: New Zealand) with bullet casings vanishing into thin air, have they made fake videos of Joe Biden (yes they have, hand in front of the microphone layer!) or perhaps even Putin saying that vaccines are essential to save the planet? You are very cluey Saker, but maybe this rabbit hole goes much, much deeper than you know. Just maybe. Probably. Definitely.
You have left out immunization and the antibodies. Why? No rational discussion can take place without them.
I fully agree with the saker but I would like to ask him to explain his following opinion:
“And while I still am mostly agnostic about most COVID medical aspects (the only thing I am sure of is that it was not a leaked bio-weapon)”
If the saker is right there it would reassure me a lot.
Thank you Saker for allowing me to express my opinion about Covid, It’s very generous of you,
A virus that causes disease has never been isolated according to Koch’s postulate’s (the Gold Standard). Look it up! Germ Theory is total bullshit. Terrain theory states that the only cause of disease are toxins and lack of nutrients, not “germs”.
Your complete faith in Dr. Fauci and Dr. Bill Gates is touching. I would suggest you check out Dr. Stephan Lanka and Dr. Thomas Cowan, Just remember that pharmaceutical companies love you almost as much as they love “variants”).
Let me be clear, everyone who has taken the Covid vaccine will be dead in 3 years. No Really.
It will be good to take a good look at the words here. Leaked bio-weapon. It does not exclude that it was a deliberately distributed bio-weapon. Just saying.
Just perhaps, following presentation will help – some of you – to get understanding to some degree of complexity of what Covid-19 issue is all about:
Dr. Richard Fleming presents ‘Event 2021’, A science-based presentation on the Covid Pandemic, from the Virus, to vaccines, treatments, and the Public Health response.
https://thehighwire.com/videos/live-from-event-2021-in-dallas-tx/
F.S.
I am not an anti vaxxer. It is just that I am suspicious about the Covid hysteria. When the mainstream media is screming about the Global Pandemic nonstop, that in itself is suspicious. I will trust Putin or Xi or Khamenei a thousand times more than any western ‘leader’. But do you have the same confidence in their advisors? Perhaps some are western educated or being a bit swayed by the public opinion, which is ofcourse shaped by the mainstream media. What I know for facts are the following:
If the mainstream media and govt keep quiet, there is absolutely nothing alarming around. I live in a village. We guys know if there is something wrong, like a jaundice or chicken pox outbreak. We don’t need any tests or media to tell us this. We can see people getting sick. But for Covid, a lot of people are asymptomatic. So if it is not for the tests, no one will know they were ‘infected’.
The whole Covid pandemic is built up on the tests. How reliable are these tests? Especially when it says people with absolutely no symptoms are positive cases? If the number of false positives are high, the whole number of cases narrative collapse.
There were/are a lot of cases in my village. We know if a lot of deaths are happening out of the ordinary. And these are not peak years. I know that. There were 3 Covid deaths. In pre Covid days, people will say one was an (heart) attack. Another one they would say that he drank himself to death. The third person I know very well. He had had a stroke about 2 years back and was confined to his home. His family members had Covid and he was also tested and he was negative 11 days before death. After death they test him again and he is positive.
I also know personally people who are fully vaccinated and yet who got Covid again. What is the use of getting vaccinated if it is useless? Saying that the severity will be less doesn’t sound very scientific. (these people who were breakthrough cases needed hospitalization) I do see in news that new variants are popping up here and there again in fully vaccinated people in different countries.
Even if we believe the official numbers and assume the tests are 100% right, according to WHO there are like 182 M confirmed cases and close to 4M deaths. Assuming they all died due to Covid alone, still a fatality rate of 2% is not justifiable for all this draconian lock-downs.
So I want to wait. I find no reason to get vaccinated because vaccines doesn’t seem effective. And I do read about side effects, some times even serious cases. If get vaccinated I must, I will probably opt for Sputnik V (I am from India), not because I think it is effective but because I don’t hear adverse reactions to it as much as I hear about some other vaccines.
Personally, I am only very concerned about the Pfizer and Moderna shots (i.e. the mRNA shots). I am aware that the Johnson & Johnson and AstraZeneca adenovirus shots have caused problems with blood clots, but these are shorter term risks. If you make it to the two to three week mark, you are safe. The same can not be said about the mRNA shots. Who knows for sure what an mRNA shot might do to the body one, two, five or ten years down the road? This position makes me either an “anti-vaxxer” or a “pro-vaxxer” depending on who I am speaking with. I am curious, for The Saker and others living in the West, which of the Western-produced shots do you consider to be the safest (or least safest)?
This is christmas come early for big pharma. Just look at the market capitalization of Pfizer, Moderna, Astra-Zeneca and Johnson and Johnson. In economics jargon we call this an oligopoly which is exactly what it is. What’s true of big pharma is true of all the other big beasts in the economy who have been coining it since the start of the coronavirus. Some people are making big money – Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg to name a few. This clique actually control the American system and are directing the cash flow away from the man in the street to their own accounts. The media and political are joining in the spoils. It’s that simple. I think it is called class struggle.
I personally know of 6 people- friends actually- who had covid and tested positive.
all of them had the covid symptoms, fever 39 plus, exhaustion breathing with difficulty, loss of taste even smell in 2 cases.
5 five of them were well and fine after 3 tree days 4 without any medicine 1 with homeopathy
One person was terribly sick for 14 days well she was scared of covid 100% believer in the omnipotence of covid while the others while not being “fundamentally” anti just did not bother about it and wanted to continue with their lives. .Try to convince me of the terrible virus !
whatever the MSM are saying about Russia and China etc is false but what they are saying about climate and covid is true true true. not me sir
why are effective medicines being banned why are various expert who contest covid on scientific ground banned can someone answer please.
bernie, let me try and always in good faith to you.
We tend to focus on how many people died. We tend not to focus on how many people are sick and we tend not to focus on the long Covid, which is well described – where the advent of this causes long-term damage to people. I have one niece in the family that is struggling even after six months.
Why good remedies are banned, is of course the influence of Big Pharma and they have done this always, suppressed anything where the cash flow does not go directly to them. But, in Russia, they’ve developed treatment remedies and in the countries that the Saker mentions, all of them have treatment remedies. It is so that people get sick, even though there are remedies.
All I know and as you say, many of us know that this thing exists – and for me, this experience has ‘healed’ me completely from the so-called alternative media.
I have been suspicious of Mr. Putin’s good faith for a number of years now. And this declaration of his makes me even more suspicious.
This pro and anti vaccination squabble is very easy to solve. Those who do not want the vac, and I can’t get it at this time because of age and other factors, should simply draw up a legally binding document in the country of their residence, document stipulating that if the signor comes down with the virus they are not to be hospitalized or treated for said virus at any time or in any way and are not to be hospitalized and tie up resources for those who do have the virus. In other words, put your life where your mouth is.
I’ve spent most of the last two weeks getting a highly detailed education of the daily operations of two of our hospitals. All, and I mean all, of the health care personnel right down to the sidewalk sweepers have been vaccinated. Period. All the staff top to bottom are exhausted from the sudden, but expected, surge of virus patients overwhelming our care systems, I’m talking of an increase of from 2 or 3 a day to now 120 a day, this thanks to opening up our little village to a herd of mainlanders who, like last year, came thundering down bringing their plague fouled selves to our little piece of heaven. I am 100% with those who say we should close our city like we did last year and keep everyone out who does not have a vaccination certificate.
Auslander
Absolutely right.
Cheers from France.
“I am 100% with those who say we should close our city like we did last year and keep everyone out who does not have a vaccination certificate.”
I fortunately live in such a place and life is fairly routine. However, it does not stop incompetent sloppy security system lapses and weasel politicians going through the ‘lock down’ theatre on a regular ‘dog whistle’ training stunt basis at every opportunity. And many so-called free citizens seem to like it. Work that one out. My only major complaint is the self-appointed neo-feudal overlord ‘servants’ have banned citizens from leaving the country — and I normally like to visit family in another safe country mid-year. A travel tunnel would be easy to configure. But the control agenda is wider than just public health, imo. We have wrecked global supply chains; a collapsed tourism industry; failed economic theory; and now failed economies on central bank fiat-money life support, and a collapsing middleclass feeding the financial criminals to the moon.
Imo, it is about “Brace!” time and their blocking of mass movements is probably to stop stampedes (of the unwealthy) to the exists.
As for various comments here about V. Putin changing his mind etc. It did not even register with me as an issue. There are several scenarios that could justify such a move — across a spectrum from Russian vaccine industry benefits; mitigation of future imposed Russian international travel restrictions; through to getting prepared (both population and domestic vaccine industry) to future bio-warfare tactics along these same strategic lines etc.
I’ll reserve the right to know, and bitch and complain; but in the end I’ll leave it to the experts to formulate public policy and hopefully (/sarc) work to hold them accountable for their idiocy and incompetence.
Let me get this right, your “little village” is mostly vaccinated but you are still worried about an influx of unvaccinated mainlanders?
If that is the case then clearly the vaccinations are not really providing immunity, and therefore are not really vaccines, are they?
Or, is there another point that I have missed?
eagle eye
I have never given a percentage of the vaccination of the populace in our village of, choose one: 400,000, 500,000, 600,000. I don’t know the percentage nor does ‘them’. The vast majority of our new cases are not locals, they are ‘guests’, of whom we have in excess of 250,000 (and a pox on the lot of them).
When you walk the streets as we do when going to local food and wine emporiums it is easy to spot the outsiders, they and their children are the ones without masks regardless of the heaps of abuse hurled at them by locals and the odd Militsiya patrol handing out fines and masks, which they vehemently protest against. They constantly fight the store clarks who will not let them in without a mask and if they do manage to slip in during a crowd they are put out the moment they are seen. It’s the magazine that gets the big fine, not the comparative pittance the offenders get.
You ain’t here and will never be here, ergo who are you to judge the efficacy of anything in this little peace of heaven? The point you missed is who and what we are. Our hospitals are vaccinating 14 hours a day and the streams of those desiring same is steady for the entire 14 hours, let alone the roving mobile vaccination centers in basically a miniature hospital on a Kamaz chassis.
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Congratulations for a belief system that puts faith in the fantasy of mask efficacy on the same level as faith in God.
I would stick with God, myself.
Sans actual numbers this screed about the local hospitals and the awful tourists is less useless than anything any so-called “dissenters” have come up with.
It certainly is not evidence-based medicine.
The anger that radiates from “Auslander” toward all who venture into “his” little village is pathetic.
You mean somebody who catches the flu (and by all symptoms it is a normal flu) should be paid back all his health insurance by you because he rejects the stupid pandemic propaganda.
I am totally yours, give me my money and continue that dumb propaganda.
And, just to clear things, than i will pay everything by myself.
Come one show you are more than a minion by send my money.
everywhere soon after the vaccine was made available a new surge appeared and as more and more people get the vaccine a 3rd wave is coming or expected. and then ……when will it stop?
Vax pass = Nazi Party membership cards. Have you not given any thought into how socially destructive passes are? Or how socially destructive all government actions have been?
If the vaccines work then why are you so threatened by people who choose not to get vaxxed? Threatened enough that you’d deny them medical care if the get sick.
I do not drive therefore medical coverage should not be wasted on people in automobile accidents. I also do not drink nor smoke. Why should those people get medical coverage? Then there’s all those people growing old. Let’s cut all coverage to people over 50. Why should the younger generation have to pay for that?
Slippery slope. Do you not see how insane your idea is? It is self righteous – which seems to be the most important thing for anyone in the Covid Cult.
The current Russian vaccines reduce the symptoms of the infection. In other words, you only get a little sick if at all you come in contact with infection. That is where we are and shouting against that does not work for me. It is understanding that is missing. It is not a sure thing, but it reduces the infections generally, and reduces the viral load and people do not get as sick.
We do not have a sure thing in our world. If you seek a sure thing, you need to go and seek it off-world but sure things, well, is it a sure thing that you are going to breathe tomorrow morning? No, it is not. With respect, those that are looking for a sure thing are completely confused.
” All, and I mean all, of the health care personnel right down to the sidewalk sweepers have been vaccinated.”
Interesting. But which vaccine? The Russian Influenza vaccine or something coming out of Big Pharma?
In the USA, 60% of hospital doctors have chosen not to be vaccinated. Maybe they know something?
Google and its criminal partners have cancelled this article. I can no longer find it. Frankly, for me, that is proof enough that this is a conspiracy.
Auslander
Well, the vaccinated are the ones who infect now, especially when a new strain arrive. So should we quarantine you and your little village the same way you want to do with us the unvaccinated?
“Vaccine Shedding has been considerable chatter on the Internet about the possibility of vaccinated people causing disease in unvaccinated people in close proximity. While this may seem hard to believe, there is a plausible process by which it could occur through the release of exosomes from dendritic cells in the spleen containing misfolded spike proteins, in complex with other prion reconformed proteins. These exosomes can travel to distant places. It is not impossible to imagine that they are being released from the lungs and inhaled by a nearby person. Extracellular vesicles, including exosomes, have been detected in sputum, mucus, epithelial lining fluid, and bronchoalveolar lavage fluid in association with respiratory diseases (Lucchetti et al., 2021).”
Auslander, if it were possible, I would suggest keep everyone out. A certificate is only a piece of paper. It may protect the owner of it, but truly there are leaks. The certified vaccinated can infect others with a virus they themselves find relatively harmless. That’s the catch . This is happening because the virus mutates from what it started out as, and it is why coronaviruses are hard to protect against. For those of us who choose to remain unvaccinated, that is because we have spent our lives in great respect for the immune system, and we would prefer to do as Mexico is doing with ivermectin than what is being pressed upon people (good faith or not) by these trials. Too much is unknown.
If you must lock down, go all the way. Native tribes in my area have done this. I respect that. Best wishes.
You just lost my respect totally
So many great comments in the past and now
this
Amazing…
Be cautious as much as you want but do not turn your caution into a quasi religious belief and start collecting followers.
The analogy I find most helpful is the nuclear industry. It is full of very arrogant technical experts. It spans the globe. We got nuclear fallout, Three Mile Island, Chernobyl and Fukushima just to name the biggest incidents. The Wuhan lab leak (or Fort Detrick release) is Chernobyl for virologists. They organised a joint statement to label lab-origin a conspiracy theory. Because they were culpable and didn’t want to be treated like the nuclear industry. If you can’t understand how dangerous this infallible technocratic ideology is, that is your problem.
I generally agree with those expressing alarm about prion and other risks from the spike protein, and the suppression of ivermectin.