Note by the Saker: please read carefully what this official statement says. There are two key elements here, first, the DPRK has successfully completed its program of nuclear tests and ballistic missiles test and, second, the DPRK will now act as a responsible nuclear power and never use its nuclear power unless she is attacked. In plain English this simply means: we made it, you could not stop us, now we are a nuclear power on par with all the rest of them and there is nothing you can do about it. No doubt, the Hegemony’s propaganda machine will present that as a huge, immense, victory for Trump. In reality, it is anything but. Truth be told, I personally doubt that the DPRK has a real nuclear warhead or anything beyond an intermediate-range missile. But that is neither here nor there because whatever the facts of the matter really are, the fact that they themselves declare that they have real nuclear warheads and ICBMs and that nobody can do anything about it means that they have won. Besides, you can’t prove a negative anyway. So whether these capabilities are real or not, the status of nuclear power claimed by the DPRK will have to be granted to them. Thus, “Rocket Man” wins! The Donald lost this one.
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3rd Plenary Meeting of 7th C.C., WPK Held in Presence of Kim Jong Un
Pyongyang, April 21 (KCNA) — The 3rd Plenary Meeting of the 7th Central Committee of the Workers’ Party of Korea took place in Pyongyang on April 20.
Kim Jong Un, chairman of the WPK, guided the plenary meeting.
Attending the meeting were Presidium members, members and alternate members of the Political Bureau of the Central Committee of the WPK and members and alternate members of the C.C., WPK and members of the Central Auditing Commission of the WPK.
Present as observers were members of the WPK Central Committee and party and administrative officials of ministries, national institutions, provinces, cities and counties, major industrial establishments and institutions and co-operative farms and members of the armed forces organs.
The plenary meeting dealt with the following agenda items:
1. On tasks of our party to further accelerate socialist construction as required by a fresh high stage of the developing revolution
2. On bringing about a revolutionary turn in science and education
3. Organizational matter
The first agenda was discussed at the meeting.
Kim Jong Un made a report on the first agenda.
He said that the plenary meeting was to be convened to discuss and decide important matters for attaining goals of higher stage of socialist construction as required by the developing revolution and under the prevailing situation.
Saying that the overall situation is rapidly changing in favor of the Korean revolution thanks to the DPRK’s proactive action and efforts after the declaration of completing the state nuclear force last year, he informed that a fresh climate of détente and peace is being created on the Korean peninsula and the region and dramatic changes are being made in the international political landscape.
He said that the miraculous victory of having perfectly accomplished the great historic cause of building the state nuclear force in a short span of less than five years is the great victory of the WPK’s line of simultaneously pushing forward the economic construction and the building of a nuclear force and, at the same time, a brilliant victory that could be won only by the heroic Korean people.
He referred to the progress made in the economic construction along with the all-party, all-state and all-people struggle for implementing the above-said line.
He declared with pride that the historic tasks under the strategic line of simultaneously developing the two fronts set forth at the March 2013 Plenary Meeting of the Central Committee of the Party were successfully carried out.
He said that the victory of the WPK’s line was won and thus the struggle of the Korean people who worked hard with their belt tightened to acquire a powerful treasured sword for defending peace was successfully concluded and the firm guarantee by which our descendents can enjoy the most dignified and happiest life in the world was provided.
He said that no nuclear test and intermediate-range and inter-continental ballistic rocket test-fire are necessary for the DPRK now, given that the work for mounting nuclear warheads on ballistic rockets was verified as the whole processes of developing nuclear weapons were carried out in a scientific way and in regular sequence, and the development of delivery and strike means was also made scientifically. He added that the mission of the northern nuclear test ground has thus come to an end.
He clarified the WPK’s peace-loving stand to make positive contributions to the building of the world free from nuclear weapons in conformity with the aspiration and desire common to mankind, provided that the DPRK’s might was put on the level wanted by it and it became possible to reliably guarantee the security of the state and the safety of the people.
He said that today when the historic tasks listed by the strategic line of simultaneously developing the two fronts were successfully carried out, the WPK is facing important tasks to accelerate the advance of the revolution with confidence in victory and thus hasten the final victory of the socialist cause.
He clarified that at the present stage in which the DPRK was successfully put on the position of the world-level politico-ideological and military power, it is the strategic line of the WPK to concentrate all efforts of the whole party and country on the socialist economic construction.
He said that it is necessary to launch a general revolutionary offensive and make a dynamic advance in the economic construction under the uplifted militant banner of “Let us further accelerate the advance of our revolution by concentrating all our efforts on socialist economic construction!”
He noted that the immediate goal of the struggle for realizing the new strategic line is to keep production going at full capacity at all industrial establishments and reap a rich harvest in all agricultural fields during the period of carrying out the five-year strategy for national economic development and thus make the people’s laughter resound far and wide across the country.
He pointed out that the long-term goal is to put the national economy on a Juche, modern, IT and scientific basis and provide all the people with affluent and highly civilized life so that they can live as well as others.
He clarified the tasks for thoroughly carrying out the new strategic line, and ways for doing so including the issue of prioritizing economic work in the overall work of the party and the state, tapping all the human, material and technical potentials of the country for economic development.
He called on all the fields and units to thoroughly rely on science and technology, steadily improve the self-development spirit and effect production surge and leap under the unfurled slogan of self-reliance and self-sufficiency.
In order to thoroughly implement the new strategic line on channeling all efforts on the economic construction, it is necessary to drastically enhance the role of party organizations, he stressed.
He urged the economic guidance organs including the Cabinet to occupy their position as the master responsible for the economic affairs, meticulously organize the operation and command for making rapid economic progress. He also urged all the fields and units to be unconditionally subordinate to the unified command of the Cabinet for implementing the economic policy of the party.
Speeches were made on the first agenda item at the plenary meeting.
Speakers were Choe Ryong Hae, member of the Presidium of the Political Bureau and vice-chairman of the Central Committee of the WPK, Pak Pong Ju, member of the Presidium of the Political Bureau of the WPK Central Committee and premier of the Cabinet, and Kim Jong Gak, director of the General Political Bureau of the Korean People’s Army.
Resolutions on the first agenda item were adopted with unanimous approval.
The resolution “On Proclaiming Great Victory of the Line of Simultaneous Development of Economic Construction and Building of Nuclear Force” specified the following decisions.
First, we solemnly declare that the sub-critical nuclear test, underground nuclear test, making nuclear weapon smaller and lighter and the development of the super-large nuclear weapon and delivery means have been carried out in order in the course of the campaign for implementing the party’s line of simultaneously developing the two fronts and thus the work for mounting nuclear warheads on ballistic rockets has been reliably realized.
Second, we will discontinue nuclear test and inter-continental ballistic rocket test-fire from April 21, Juche 107 (2018).
The northern nuclear test ground of the DPRK will be dismantled to transparently guarantee the discontinuance of the nuclear test.
Third, the discontinuance of the nuclear test is an important process for the worldwide disarmament, and the DPRK will join the international desire and efforts for the total halt to the nuclear test.
Fourth, the DPRK will never use nuclear weapons nor transfer nuclear weapons or nuclear technology under any circumstances unless there are nuclear threat and nuclear provocation against the DPRK.
Fifth, we will concentrate all efforts on building a powerful socialist economy and markedly improving the standard of people’s living through the mobilization of all human and material resources of the country.
Sixth, we will create international environment favorable for the socialist economic construction and facilitate close contact and active dialogue with neighboring countries and the international community in order to defend peace and stability on the Korean peninsula and in the world.
The resolution “On Concentrating All Efforts on Socialist Economic Construction to Meet Requirements of New High Stage of Developing Revolution” clarified the following decisions.
First, we will orientate the overall party and state affairs into the socialist economic construction and concentrate all efforts on it.
Second, the Party and working people’s organizations, power organs, law enforcement organs and armed forces organs should enhance their roles in the struggle to concentrate all efforts on the socialist economic construction.
Third, the Party organizations and political institutions at all levels should regularly control and review the implementation of the decisions made at the 3rd Plenary Meeting of the 7th Central Committee of the WPK so as to ensure their thorough implementation.
Fourth, the Presidium of the Supreme People’s Assembly and the Cabinet should take legal, administrative and technical measures to carry out the tasks set forth in the resolutions of the plenary meeting of the WPK Central Committee.
The second agenda item was discussed at the meeting.
Kim Jong Un made a report on the second agenda item.
He underlined the need to bring about a revolutionary turn in science and education, adding that the issue of concentrating all efforts on the economic construction would be unthinkable without the rapid development of science and education.
He said that in recent years our Party has made not a few achievements through active measures to boost science and education to suit the requirements of the higher stage of the developing revolution. He also analyzed and reviewed drawbacks in the fields of science and education and their causes.
He set forth the strategic slogan “Let us make a leap forward by dint of science and guarantee the future by dint of education!” and clearly specified the tasks and ways for putting spurs to building a scientific and technical power and a talent power.
Speeches on the second agenda item were made by Pak Thae Song, member of the Political Bureau and vice-chairman of the Central Committee of the WPK, Kim Su Gil, alternate member of the Political Bureau of the WPK Central Committee and chairman of the Pyongyang City Committee of the WPK, and Kim Sung Du, chairman of the Education Commission.
The resolution on the second agenda item “On Effecting Revolutionary Turn in Science and Education” was adopted.
The plenary meeting discussed the organizational matter, the third agenda.
There was a by-election of a member of the Political Bureau of the Workers’ Party of Korea Central Committee.
Kim Jong Gak was by-elected member of the Political Bureau of the C.C., WPK.
There were recall and by-election of members and alternate members of the Party Central Committee.
Sin Yong Chol, Son Chol Ju, Jang Kil Song and Kim Song Nam, who had been alternate members of the Party Central Committee, were elected members, and Kim Jun Son, Kim Chang Son, Jong Yong Guk and Ri Tu Song were elected members of the Party Central Committee to fill vacancies.
Ri Son Gwon, Hong Jong Duk, Sok Sang Won, Jang Kil Ryong, Pak Hun, Ko Ki Chol, An Myong Gon, Ko Myong Chol, Kim Son Uk, Hong Man Ho, Kim Chol Ha, Kim Yong Gu, Kim Chol Ryong and Kim Il Guk were elected alternate members of the Party Central Committee to fill vacancies.
Recall and by-election of members of the Central Auditing Commission of the WPK were held.
Ko Chol Man and Choe Song Gun were by-elected members of the Central Auditing Commission of the WPK.
Kim Jong Un made a historic concluding speech at the plenary meeting.
He said that the declaration of the victory of the line of simultaneously pushing forward the economic construction and the building of a nuclear force and advancement of the new line on focusing all efforts on the economic construction at the current plenary meeting is a political event of historical significance in accomplishing the socialist cause of Juche.
The main spirit of the 3rd Plenary Meeting of the 7th Party Central Committee is to further accelerate the advance of our revolution under the unfurled banner of self-reliance on the basis of the great victory of the line of simultaneously pushing forward the economic construction and the building of a nuclear force and thus attain ahead of schedule the higher goal of socialist construction set forth at the Seventh Congress of the WPK, he noted.
Stressing that the core and main principle of the new revolutionary line of the Party is self-reliance, he underscored the need to maintain indomitable perseverance in the spirit of self-reliance as ever and open up the avenue for prosperity and bring earlier the rosy future.
Our goal is to activate the overall national economy and put it on an upward spiral track and thus establish independent and modern socialist economy, knowledge-based economy, in the period of carrying out the five-year strategy for the national economic development, he stated.
He stressed the need to attach importance to science and education and develop them in order to achieve the higher goal of socialist construction by thoroughly carrying out the new revolutionary line of the Party.
In order to realize the revolutionary line and the policy of the Party, officials should make strenuous efforts with the strong determination and work hard with high abilities to put their fields and units on the level as required by the Party, he added.
source: http://kcna.kp/kcna.user.special.getArticlePage.kcmsf
If DPRK made a stance of this magnitude and nobody can do anything about it, then what about super nuke powers like Russia?
I don’t agree with what thesaker is saying, not at all, it seems very clear that North Korea has folded. North Korea will completely surrender to USA after the meeting schedule with Trump around may. They have even agree to keep USA troops in South Korea.
The NK leadership was put under immense pressure by USA, given the option of surrendering or entering into a very destructive war with USA, which the leadership likely would not survive.
I always wondered if the North Korean leadership was die hard ideologues, that was fanatically dedicated to their cause and willing to give up their lives and their families lives for the cause… Or if they where fat disgusting pigs that lived off the suffering of their people and unimaginable wealth, and would give up the moment their wealth was threatened for real.
It seems the latter was true and NK has surrendered to Trump when faced with destruction.
According to various sources North Korea has accepted every point USA demand.
North Korea will denuclearize.
North Korea will enter into a 10 year gradual reunification with South Korea.
USA will pay the billions to North/South Korea reunification will cost.
Kim and his gang of pigs will get to keep their wealth and live as regular oligarchs without power in the new unified Korea.
Leadership will pass to South Korean once they are reunified and North will become a capitalistic democracy.
Personally this makes me sad, I had high belief in the NK leadership, I also feel that Russia, China and Iran becomes more vulnerable without North Korea.. And I also feel that if violence succeeded in breaking NK then USA is more likely to think it will succeed with Russia and Iran and China.
“I always wondered if the North Korean leadership was die hard ideologues, that was fanatically dedicated to their cause and willing to give up their lives and their families lives for the cause… Or if they where fat disgusting pigs that lived off the suffering of their people and unimaginable wealth”
There is no ideological difference between the Capitalism of the West and Russia. The Chinese Parliament holds 83 billionaires (if you don’t like FT as a source please do your own Yandex research) https://www.ft.com/content/4568598e-8731-11e2-9dd7-00144feabdc0
What exactly are you more worried that China and Russia will become vulnerable to without NK?
“What exactly are you more worried that China and Russia will become vulnerable to without NK?”
-NK is the front-line against USA aggression. If NK falls the front-lines moves backwards closer to China and Russia and Iran. Also, if the threat of violence is successful against NK, USA will be embolden to try it further with Russia and China.
I don’t take Western politicians seriously at all — I know they are puppets for international banksterism. However, I certainly don’t buy the Leadership of NK either. All looks like international kabuki to me. The sock-puppets of the US and NK seem too cartoonish.
“Also, if the threat of violence is successful against NK, USA will be embolden to try it further with Russia and China.”
Need I point out that the DPRK is a small, struggling country that barely has a nuclear arsenal, if even at all. China and Russia are a completely different story, with a combined nuclear arsenal to maintain MAD with the US. It’s apples and oranges, really.
“China and Russia are a completely different story, with a combined nuclear arsenal to maintain MAD with the US. It’s apples and oranges, really.”
-My point is that the front line now pushes up against Russia and China, while before much of USA attention was being absorbed by NK. The world used to consist of four defiant countries. Russia, China, Iran and NK. But now there are only three left.
Don’t forget the DPR and LPR! :)) They’re the most defiant of all. (Yea Donbass) But point well taken. The good news is, The US-UK “bombing” of evacuated bases in Syria was such a flop, it’s doubtful the West could succeed with any more regime changes. So maybe we’ve achieved a stable world
I guess the logic is that NK is a buffer state.
By its existence it gives China a front and also a stage.
A stage for China to “act out” responses to USA agression etc.
So, it might be seen as a combination of buffer and proxy?
Katherine
“If NK falls the front-lines moves backwards closer to China and Russia and Iran”
A Russian built S400 launched by the Saudis is as likely to destroy a Houthi missille as one supplied by the US.
Is your thesis that it’s better to be a Russian or Chinese slave rather than a US one?
“A Russian built S400 launched by the Saudis is as likely to destroy a Houthi missille as one supplied by the US.
Is your thesis that it’s better to be a Russian or Chinese slave rather than a US one?”
-Yes, that is funny, Russia will give Saudiarabia S-400 but not Syria :X
And yes, naturally being subservient to Russia is much better then being subservient to USA. Just look at the western world now? UK at this point is nothing short of a Muslim rape camp, and the other states are not far behind.
“Revealed: 1,200 women were sexually assaulted by 2,000 men in German cities on New Year’s Eve”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3684302/1-200-German-women-sexually-assaulted-New-Year-s-Eve-Cologne-elsewhere.html
Don’t forget Saudi want Russian Nuclear Power Plant built.
Such an object should be defended to the t.
Can you trust Saudi army to guard an NPP, twice so if only armed with Patriots?
“Can you trust Saudi army to guard an NPP, twice so if only armed with Patriots?”
A better question could be – would any man of good conscience wish any Saudi infastructure guarded with anything.
Yea, that Saudi army is not much to count on, blowing up wedding seems to be the only thing they are good at. :S And patriots are likely the most dangerous SAM around, dangerous for its crew that is.
Anonymous
Not so fast. I cannot agree with what you have written. We still don’t have a clear picture of what is happening. It is a fact that Trump sent his fleet to the North Korean coast. There is no question that this was done without any real planning. He was obviously hoping for either regime change or for Kim to back down. He did not. He kept on firing his missiles and laughing at Trump. However, when it comes to negotiations, there were two set of talks. The moment Trump sent his fleet, South Korea began covert talks, not reported by the corporate media, but reported by private analysts on the Internet. After that Russia sent a delegation to North Korea, acting as a mediator.Trump will, of course, present his talks with North Korea as his political victory. It is nothing of the sort. Talks are being held thanks to Russia and South Korea, and both saved Trumps face.
To state that North Korea would face US destruction is an exaggeration. Yes, the US could theoretically destroy North Korean cities,as it did during the 1950’s, but it could not defeat the North Korean military, which has powerful conventional weapons and which is dug in. Just to remind you that North Korea is a mountainous country, ideal for defense. The US cannot even defeat the Taliban in Afghanistan, while the latest cruise missile attack against Syria turned into a joke, with the Syrians destroying most of the missiles, even capturing two of them. For the US to wage a conventional war against North Korea, it would need the support of the South Korean military, and I just don’t see that happening. Don’t forget that China has warned that it will not tolerate a first strike against North Korea, nor regime change. The last thing China and Russia want is US troops and missiles being placed right against their borders.
Agree with much of B.F.’s comments, and will add the following: The N.K. statement looks like positioning to me. We know N.K. met with the Chinese, who they depend on, so their stance most probably reflects Chinese demands. N.K. is an important buffer and front man for China, who are very, very unlikely to give in to U.S. demands in my opinion. The N.K. statement is instead a position statement in advance of public meetings. In order to “give in” to the U.S., they would have to agree to disarm and allow international inspection, followed by more western demands until they came fully into the globalist fold. Neither China nor Russia would want that and it would mean Kim Jung Un accepted a hired hand position as western banking and all the other trappings entered the picture.
My opinion is that we are in a Deep State faction war, with Trump representing a U.S. nationalist faction. The globalist, neocon faction wants nothing short of complete submission of all countries under their rule. The people at the top of the globalist faction are long-term, determined planners, but they are mostly removed from any day-to-day machinations of the world. Therefore, they need an army of lackeys to do the foot work. This is easy at the beginning because so many people are easily corruptible with a little money and power. Also, when some goal of world domination is a fairly abstract concept in a distant future, many other deep state factions can all agree to work together. The MIC gets lots of money, the U.S. has been in the leading position, etc. The problem they are facing now is that the whole program is near the end and has hit some snags (e.g. Iran, Russia). When any domination program nears culmination, some serious questions arise: Who will be in charge of the show? There has to be a final authority. The run-of-the-mill, not-so-bright lackey never thinks this far ahead. Such people (so-called progressives and many, many others) are easy to manipulate all the way to the end because they bought into some abstract fantasy and won’t realize what is going on even when they are eventually sacrificed by their faction, who never gave even one hoot about them.
But there are smart people in the other factions, such as the U.S. and Russian nationalist factions, and possibly a Chinese nationalist group. As the world domination goal approaches, they see full well that the central globalist faction is completely ruthless and plans to take all in the end. This is patently obvious to the U.S. and other nationalists who can see that the globalists plan is to run the U.S. economy and culture completely into the ground without a care because the globalist goal is supra national. My opinion is that the fight we are seeing now is specifically this fight. The U.S. nationalists are thus fighting for their lives. They can see what the common person does not: There is no future for anyone if the globalists win. They are satanic tyrants that make the worst Roman emperors look like nice guys.
At this point, I disagree slightly with the Saker. The U.S. nationalist faction is in a very difficult position. They are okay with a multi polar world as long as the U.S. is very powerful and not in direct danger. The globalists are purely unipolar so can only accept defeat of N.K., Russia, etc even if it means nuclear war. The U.S. nationalist faction is bothered by China’s ridiculous claim to a huge part of the open seas and trade routes, but not so bothered by the Russians who are not so outrageous. However, the globalist faction keeps the “Russia bad guy” farce going to keep pressure on Trump and not allow him to work with Russia to stop the globalists.
Many people do not agree with this faction war viewpoint and I can not prove any of it. However, I would suggest for people to consider it for moment because it does explain much. It must be remembered though that over the past decades the globalist faction has gained much power which puts Trump in a position of constantly having to work with them and around them in trying to negotiate a future that does not mean destruction of the U.S. (and consequently, destruction of all that Trump has amassed in his own life).
JohnTB
Yes, over the past decades the globalists have gained much power. They have also gained a huge amount of financial problems. NATO costs them two billion dollars a day. The US Defense Budget is between 1 trillion and 1,2 trillion dollars a year. The US has the largest domestic and foreign debt in the world, and the dollar is printed backed by nothing. China has introduced the petro yuan, while both Russia and China are preparing to introduce gold backed rubles and yuans. Both have created the BRICS, the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, the Eurasian Economic Union and the Silk Road. Who could have expected all this two decades ago ? The point is that time is not working for the globalists. They have to do something. I am not sure they even know what they have to do now. Provoke a general war perhaps ? I hope the Pentagon is not that insane.
B.F.
Word I hear is that the U.S. military is mostly against all-out war. They live in the U.S., have families, and enjoy their positions of power and money. The globalists see themselves as above all that. For them, everything – including all human life, economies, militaries, etc are all only a means to an end. They plan to rule from wherever, and if there is any risk they do not rule, they are more than happy to take the entire world down in nuclear flames. They know they will all hang if ever removed from their power position.
There is also a power drunkenness that has taken over many, especially the neocons themselves (who are also just high level lackeys). This inebriation includes the fantasy of winning a nuclear exchange with limited losses. Common sense tells me that the Russians track all this carefully, and are even prepared for a first strike should they decide that a strike from the other side is inevitable.
I believe that Russia and China (as well as some other courageous States) are working together to stop the ‘supra-national’ globalists, as they would be their next victims. Additionally, it is indeed possible that what you call a US Deep State ‘nationalist faction’, under Donald Trump, recognises that the US has already been a victim of the ‘supra-national’ globalists’ strategy that put the US at the front of their wars to achieve the goal of world domination.
However, when you say that there are ‘smart people in the nationalist factions in the U.S. and Russia, and possibly a Chinese nationalist group’, I think that something is missing. Because the word ‘nationalism’ has different meanings for different circumstances. Thus, for imperialist States, nationalism means preservation of their imperial position; and it is the role of the army to enforce their will to subjugated States. As for the subjugated States, nationalism means defence of their sovereignty against imperialism.
As a result of their past and recent history, Russia and China are nationalist by definition, while the US may indeed be divided into the two factions that you identify: the nationalist and the globalist.
As capitalist globalization reached a point where its ‘supra national’ orientation allows all States to see the danger – including the US – it is very likely that all of them will take a nationalist position in defence of their national interests.
But, we must not forget that globalism is not simply the objective of a faction. Capitalist globalization is a universal process. The globalist enemy is dispersed because the powerful capitalist globalists are the transnational elites scattered around the world.
For this reason, our struggle is more than a nationalist struggle. We are living the time of the last struggles to liberate humanity from the ropes of a failing system – capitalism-imperialism. Time has arrived and we should unite for the necessary dislocation of the transnational elites from their thrones.
“Time has arrived and we should unite for the necessary dislocation of the transnational elites from their thrones.” Perfectly said. And may I modestly suggest, that from a very phenomenological standpoint, and also with a grain of positive thinking, that Donald Trump, for all his seeming faults, is doing his damnedest to bring this about?
“… the US may indeed be divided into the two factions that you identify: the nationalist and the globalist.”
You are entirely correct, MC, and there is no “may” about it.
Well said, JohnTB. And a lot of the globalists reside in Europe. If you take a look at the Trilateral Commission website, you’ll see that about 54% of their 68 or so executive board members are based in Europe, while only about 21% are in the US. I guess their castles have huge underground bunkers with wine cellars and all the luxuries.
hi there.the zio-con/lib. globalists need war so they can preserve the need & value of their printed fortunes.without general destruction the value of the greenbuck is zero.
Yes, I like your distinction between the US nationalist faction and the globalists. This is the crux, often overlooked, as if all of America were lumped into one vicious Hegemony-seeking faction. Yes, to the US nationalists (of which I am one, by your description) China is a threat, but Russia is not. And sure, a multi-polar world is fine, as long as the US does not become subordinated to other countries, but works as an equal. Thanks for saying it so well.
John TB,
This is the most insightful explanation of the US situation that I have read anywhere! The proof is all over the internet even though the mainstream media tries to bury it and works very hard to brainwash the people with its propaganda.
We are indeed in a fight for our lives and the survival of our country.
“The US cannot even defeat the Taliban in Afghanistan”
-Not an accurate comparison. Afghanistan is a guerilla war, a war with NK would be a conventional war. USSR could not defeat the proto-taliban in Afghanistan either.
“He was obviously hoping for either regime change or for Kim to back down. He did not. He kept on firing his missiles and laughing at Trump. ”
-Your information is a few months out of date, NK has suspended its tests and USA is still continuing with its military drills outside of NK, NK has also contacted SK and wants to work out a peace deal, and has withdrawn its demand that SK must remove USA troops. In short NK has accepted the enemy demands and is capitulating.
“The last thing China and Russia want is US troops and missiles being placed right against their borders”
-This is true, however we don’t know to what extent they can influence NK. They might just have to accept it.
“To state that North Korea would face US destruction is an exaggeration. Yes, the US could theoretically destroy North Korean cities,as it did during the 1950’s, but it could not defeat the North Korean military, which has powerful conventional weapons and which is dug in.”
-I kinda agree with that, I am personally not certain USA could defeat NK militarily, altu they could, as thesaker often points out, kill a lot of civilians.. But that only holds true if we assume the elite of NK are ideologically fanatics instead of corrupt oppressors. However, USA would not need to defeat the NK military to totally collapse the privileges of the ruling elite. Thesaker himself stated that it is likely that USA would destroy the entire NK elite in the beginning of the war… If the war starts, the NK elites will go from being spoiled pigs living in luxury to people living deep in bunkers and tunnels eating rations and potatoes – possibility for the rest of their lives. Which may be very short.
Thus the question is — is the NK elite fanatic ideologues that are willing to be destroyed to defy USA or are they cowardly corrupt pigs that only care about their wealth and privileges?
If they are the latter, actually threatening them with real destruction will cause them to give in. Rumor.. has it that USA has given NK an ultimate. Surrender, give up power, reunify with China AND keep your wealth in the new society.. Or be destroyed in a war… The NK elite has chosen to give up and keep their wealth and privilege.
” while the latest cruise missile attack against Syria turned into a joke, ”
-I hope you understand that was intentional. USA could just as easy has fired 2000 missiles over Syria and destroyed the entire country. USA made the decision to only make a symbolic attack.
“, even capturing two of them”
-Unproven.
” For the US to wage a conventional war against North Korea, it would need the support of the South Korean military, and I just don’t see that happening. ”
-USA totally controls SK, and even if it did not, after USA bombed NK, SK would be automatically drawn into the war as NK would attack SK as retaliation.
Anonymous
Your reply is questionable. The Taliban controls about 50 % of Afghanistan. Yes, it uses guerrilla tactics very effectively. If the US cannot defeat these guerrillas, how can they defeat the regular North Korean military, stationed in almost identical terrain ? As for the Soviets, they too could not defeat the Taliban, but did destroy five Taliban guerrilla armies, inflicting on them their biggest defeat during the Soviet withdrawl, which was a masterpiece.
Kim has suspended tests for the time being, after completing them. As for North Korea, it depends on China first and Russia second. It has borders with both. As I have written, the last thing China and Russia want is US troops and missiles right next to their borders, and Kim knows it. There is no question that Kim does everything in consultation with both.
The US giving North Korea an ultimatum ? Impossible to believe. Where did you hear that rumor ? The US cannot initiate a first strike against North Korea without involving China, as happened during the 1950’s.
The US firing 2.000 cruise missiles against Syria ? It did not fire that many during the Gulf War and its debatable if it has that many to fire. Even if it did, what would the consequences have been ? Russia standing back and watching ? Highly unlikely. Anyway, those Tomahawk cruise missiles are easily intercepted by the Russian Khirbiny jamming system, as happened last year, when Trump attacked that Syrian airfield. The US Navy had to fire 60 missiles against one pretty small airfield, and not one missile struck the runways. The airfield started operating a mere 24 hours of the attack.
“Your reply is questionable. The Taliban controls about 50 % of Afghanistan. Yes, it uses guerrilla tactics very effectively. If the US cannot defeat these guerrillas, how can they defeat the regular North Korean military, stationed in almost identical terrain ?”
-Guerilla warfare and conventional warfare are very different and guerilla warfare basically only happens after you have already won and occupied the territory you wanted. If you don’t understand the difference, google it. It is much easier to win a conventional war, mostly.
” As for the Soviets, they too could not defeat the Taliban, but did destroy five Taliban guerrilla armies, inflicting on them their biggest defeat during the Soviet withdrawl, which was a masterpiece. ”
-Yeah sure – failure is a masterpiece, you sound like an American that keeps talking about all the glorious victories of the Vietnam war. A million won battles does not equal a won war. At-least not a guerilla war.
“Kim has suspended tests for the time being, after completing them. As for North Korea, it depends on China first and Russia second. It has borders with both. As I have written, the last thing China and Russia want is US troops and missiles right next to their borders, and Kim knows it. There is no question that Kim does everything in consultation with both.”
-He may or he may not, that is just speculation. Kim might not care at all what Russia and USA say, or USA might have already negotiated with China over the issue. That is all just speculation. Not China nor Russia controls reality and things do happen that is against their wishes.
“The US giving North Korea an ultimatum ? Impossible to believe. Where did you hear that rumor ? .”
-That is actually not rumors, that is just mainstream news for a year. Trump and being threatening the NK leadership with denucleralization or war .
“The US cannot initiate a first strike against North Korea without involving China, as happened during the 1950’s”
-Yes, they can, and they can overthrow Ukraine right at Russia border without Russia consent, and they can fire missiles into Syria without Russia’s consent and they can arm Taiwan without China consent. Countries does not require each others consent. And few countries have as little regard for other countries wishes then USA.
“The US firing 2.000 cruise missiles against Syria ? It did not fire that many during the Gulf War and its debatable if it has that many to fire. Even if it did, what would the consequences have been ? Russia standing back and watching ? Highly unlikely”
-Yes, USA can fire 2000 cruise missiles against Syria, it has 3500 in its navy. They can also call in bombardment for any number of bases around Syria, in Turkey, Jordan, Iraq, not to mention carriers. USA could destroy Syria by flicking a switch. As well as the Russian contingent in Syria for that matter.
Yes, Russia would probably do nothing, unless Russia was specifically targeted. I doubt Putin would put Russia between Syria and USA. Russia role in Syria is not to defend from USA but to defeat terrorists.
“Anyway, those Tomahawk cruise missiles are easily intercepted by the Russian Khirbiny jamming system, as happened last year, when Trump attacked that Syrian airfield. The US Navy had to fire 60 missiles against one pretty small airfield, and not one missile struck the runways. The airfield started operating a mere 24 hours of the attack.”
-That was also a symbolic attack by USA. And USA has many types of cruise missiles with varying degrees of modernization. And there was never any proof of Russia claim that it stopped many of those missiles last year, just like there is no proof of Russia claim that Syria downed 71 missiles this time.
There is a saying, all governments lie, not just the USA government, all governments.
Anonymous
The US has been in Afghanistan for more than 16 years, and the Taliban control about 50 % of the country. You call that a “defeat” for the Taliban ?
When you take into account Trumps attacks against Syria in 2017 and 2018, you only have to look at the photographic and video evidence to see that they were failures. The damage was minimal, with even the Israeli military stating that this Aprils attack was a failure. Now don’t tell me you didn’t read about that. As for Russian electronics, like the Khirbiny, so much has been said about it that it’s pointless saying any more.
“The US has been in Afghanistan for more than 16 years, and the Taliban control about 50 % of the country. You call that a “defeat” for the Taliban ?”
-What? No, you seem to misunderstand. USSR was defeated in Afghanistan, USA was defeated in Vietnam and USA today is still fighting in Afghanistan.
“When you take into account Trumps attacks against Syria in 2017 and 2018, you only have to look at the photographic and video evidence to see that they were failures. The damage was minimal, with even the Israeli military stating that this Aprils attack was a failure. Now don’t tell me you didn’t read about that. As for Russian electronics, like the Khirbiny, so much has been said about it that it’s pointless saying any more.”
-Those attacks were symbolic. They were never meant to cause any strategic or even operational harm to Syria…If USA wanted to destroy Syria they could easily have launched hundreds, even thousands of missiles. Syria is also surrounded by USA military bases in Jordan, Turkey, Iraq, Israel, as well as carriers which allows USA to launch massive airstrike whenever they want… Meaning they could wipe out Syria whenever they want, and the Russian contingent if they so chose. Not without suffering some losses of course, but USA has a massive military advantage in Syria over Russia.
Anonymous 1:21 PM: “USA has a massive military advantage in Syria over Russia.” This is highly debatable. US missiles are outdated. The US military is arguably a sham. Have you worked for a DOD company lately? How about Raytheon? Total fraud, completely inept. Or so it appears to engineers on the inside. The US military is in a laughable state, while the Russian military is advancing rapidly. And the US just gave them, on a silver platter, a fantastic fire drill (Syria) by which they can further hone their weapons.
But on another level, yes, the US did not really intend to harm Syria in this charade of an attack, which seemed to have been coordinated with Russia, since the bombed bases had been evacuated, etc. And indeed, it was symbolic, but what did it symbolize? That’s a matter of conjecture. In my mind, it symbolized Trump calling the bluff of the neocons. Could have been something else though.
To just about all above of this comment. I do agree with most of what BF said, but I also agree with what JohnTB said. Anonimous, is a troll, so I just forget this one.
Now my five cents. I sort of go along with one statement that Saker made: We can’t prove or disprove NK’s capabilities. I have to say though, that judging some info after last missile test, I am inclined to disagree with Saker, as I think that some US people claimed that the last missile had a range of 11,000km, which pretty well puts it in the lo..ong range. I do not doubt that Russia and China worked on Kim to come down and lower the rhetoric. Now, he basically said OK I am done, I will stop to provoke the “Hawk”. And as a final statement on this subject, No, NK did not surrender, and I believe that there is a fat chance that Trump gets his wish to disarm NK, because this is the precondition for both sides to sit down and talk. Kim, and everyone else with at least little brain, knows that he is done the minute he disarms. US would have to totally move out of SK in order for them to reconcile the differences and join as one. The major problem is, who really surrenders do they end up with capitallist or communist Korea? This is not Soviet Union in the 80’s and 1992 more, so I do not expect US to move in and dissolve the NK.
Now to Afganistan. Let me put it bluntly, Soviet Union did not lose in Afganistan, this just Western Propaganda. Withdrawal from Afganistan was a result of the internal changes in the Soviet union at the time (Gorbachov and Yeltsin). Traitor Gorbachov got paid to close the shop of Soviet Union. And later under “friendly advice of Uncle Sam” Soviet Unit withdrew from Afganistan.
“To just about all above of this comment. I do agree with most of what BF said, but I also agree with what JohnTB said. Anonimous, is a troll, so I just forget this one.”
-Lewl, it is a sad and pathetic thing to call others trolls just because you lack the reasoning capacity to argue your own point. If you can’t argue with adults, then just say out the way.
“Now to Afganistan. Let me put it bluntly, Soviet Union did not lose in Afganistan, this just Western Propaganda. Withdrawal from Afganistan was a result of the internal changes in the Soviet union at the time (Gorbachov and Yeltsin). Traitor Gorbachov got paid to close the shop of Soviet Union. And later under “friendly advice of Uncle Sam” Soviet Unit withdrew from Afganistan.”
-Haha.Yes. And let me put it bluntly, USA did not lose in Vietnam, this just Eastern Propaganda. Withdrawal from Vietnam was a result of the internal changes in the USA at the time (John F. Kennedy being assassinated and Lyndon B. Johnson). Traitor Lyndon B. Johnson got paid to close the shop in Vietnam. And later USA withdrew from Vietnam.
” would have to totally move out of SK in order for them to reconcile the differences and join as one. ”
-Actually. NK already dropped that demand. It is fortunate for people like you that you can just call people trolls and then ignore facts that do not suit your narrative.
“South Korean President Moon Jae-in said Thursday that his North Korean counterpart Kim Jong-un isn’t asking for the withdrawal of US troops from the Korean Peninsula as a precondition for abandoning his nuclear weapons,”
https://www.rt.com/newsline/424609-korea-kim-us-troops/
“, No, NK did not surrender, and I believe that there is a fat chance that Trump gets his wish to disarm NK, because this is the precondition for both sides to sit down and tal”
-Oh, well, we will see in may. But it is interesting that you know in advance. I guess you are part of some secret community of prescience space aliens perhaps?
Well, you must be to young to have seen how the US was “orderly evacuating from Vietnam”. I suggest checking out “non hurried”evacuation from Saigon maybe you can find videos on youtube. This would be total opposite to how the Soviet army was slowly driving along and out of the Afghanistan. Having said all that, it was the Soviets who were holding back the reigns of Vietcong to allow Americans to leave.
false, my friend.
Of course the north koreans would deny the amerikanskies the type of war they feel confortable on. And the NK would most probable keep their morale high. Btw outside aggression would boost it. And the level os destruction caused upon them in the first stages would only ADD up to the guerilla mood and practice.
> war with NK would be a conventional war.
…..if some major power would intervene on DPRK side, like China in 1950-s. Otherwise DPRK conventional army would be quickly ground to ashes (again, like it was in 1951) and…
…..and it would exactly American/SK occupation with guerilla warfare from nothern koreans. Or without it, hardly anyone knows for sure how far simple citizens of DPRK loyalty stretches to
> USA could just as easy has fired 2000 missiles over Syria
unproven
> Russia, China and Iran becomes more vulnerable without North Korea
Ho so?
Imagine, that tomorrow (not “in ten years” – but tomorrow) Korea would be unified under total Seoul rule.
DPRK elites are totally outcasted and oppressed. Like it happened with DDR+FRG. Worse case scenario.
For Korea itself it would probably mean a mess, as northerner and southerner would freely move in and out and the gov’t would have to equalize incomes and life standards. In Germany they still did not do it completely, after so many years.
USA nukes in Korea? They would have no political cover. Of course, USA may keep the, there “because we want so”, but that would be just what they already do. And political burden of maintaining Empire Lies would only grow.
Will combined Korean army invade China or Russia? And be nuked out? I doubt so.
China might have critically important regions near Korea, but for Russia their Far East regions are scarcely populated. Sure jetfighters plant, a new navy plant, it can get razed. Costly. But not critical. While Russian nuclear response to it would be critical for Korea.
Now, Russia seeks to combine all Far East – China, Mongolia, both Koreas, Japan, Vietnam – into integrated electricity, gas and logistics grid. With NK so much standing out it does not work. With NK/SK no-go line being removed, it becomes a question of time.
Russia of today would only benefit from Koreas reconciling, be it Greater RK or Greater DPRK or something in between.
“Russia of today would only benefit from Koreas reconciling, be it Greater RK or Greater DPRK or something in between.”
-Well, there are many angles and scenarios. In one way it would be beneficial to China and Russia as NK is the main excuse USA uses to still keep its military and expand it in the region. However in other ways it would be most detrimental as USA now could move military equipment up to the border of China and divert its resources it was using to put pressure on NK to Iran, Russia and China.. American might say “One down, three to go”
Which equipment precisely?
For missiles that fly thousands miles a move for a hundred or two is not that much.
It maybe even the opposite, the closer ballistic missiles are to your border – the less of threat they are. Year ago Kim moved many his missiles north to Russian border. Here was a lot of noise trying to play “crazy Kim threats Russia, voward Putin sold as all” card.
Would USA move THAAD antimissiles? But China is vast, they can move their ICBM launchers westward accordingly.
And those moved THAADs would be targeted by Chinese tactical weapons, what they have for Iskanders.
Just to think about it, where are American bases in SK? Do they lean to nothern or southern border?
That would hardly change.
Korean split kind of came into dead-end where no one knows what to do with those two white elephants.
Frankly, if Korea would somehow merge, with military leadership being mostly nothern and economic leadership mostly southern, it could be a bliss for Korea.
Anon,
Trump did not want war. He do not care about Middle east.
He is appeasing the neocons. He needs to compose with the israeli lobby and other (leftist) globalists.
All Trump rants about “smart missile”, “child killing Assad” and other stupidity seems to me more as mere mockery of neocons foolishness.
All this Syria strike narrative was half bake and ridiculous to the core. Again to appease Zionists and globalists. Meanwhile mocking them. Hitting void buildings… Muahahah.
Just as un previous world wars globalists and Zionists want to pull the US into wars.
Trump is struggling with those consitutant powers.
The bottom line is that Israel does not want Iran at its doorstep in Syria. And neither Trump nor Putin give a fig.
All western Zionists are furious about this situation. And understand full well Trump mocking them. Providing symbolic gesture just like the Jerusalem ambassy.
But US not giving their military blood to advance the Zionist project… That is the big problem.
Truth be said Israel is in precarious military position.
After losing the Lebanon war, after the forthcoming defeat in Syria. Israel has no strategic depth and Iranian militia in the Golan.
That is a blockroad in zionist project.
And the western strikes were just symbolic gesture of support. Again just as the Jerusalem ambassy.
IMHO believe Trump is absolutlty right. The key of the matter is Russian Chinese alliance and Russia support to Iran.
The correct strategy for the US and the zionist would have been to build very good relations with Putin in order to break the Eurasian project and Russia support to Iran.
That is quite Ironic. The same Zionists and (leftist) globalists are destroying all relation with Russia.
That is truly stupid and self defeating.
Truly a handfull of idiots.
At the end of the Trump made the correct meta political analysis about Russia.
All those so called leftist progressists and Zionists are so full of racism, hatred, hubris and messianic foolishness that they either pushing the world toward anihiliation or self defeating strategy in their stupid quest to enslave the world.
It’s quite possible that NK “folded” because they knew that their missile testing facility was about to implode. It looks like what the Chinese feared may have happened, and that NK’s main test site, a remote mountain, has entirely collapsed upon itself, after previously killing hundreds in an earlier partial collapse.
If that is the case, I’d make two points:
One, when NK agreed to give up testing, it gave up nothing, as they probably knew of the imminent closure of their best testing facility. After all, if China predicted the collapse from hundreds of miles away, I’m pretty sure NK knew about it when they made their decision to “test no more”. Why argue with the USA when there’s no need to?
Two, ominously, there appears to be a chimney in the rubble that once was mountain at the test site, and that chimney may already be leaking radioactive dust. Neighboring countries are predicted to become contaminated from the fallout.
Kim must have the backing of the E-2 (Eurasian 2…Russia and China).
I think US will try to do something about it, and we may get carriers close to North Korea, and a bombing as well…The whole situation will be perceived by US as a provocation, and they will find “impossible” to resist the temptation of a military reaction.
This is going to sound rather harsh, but it needs to be said: if the US would mind its own business, and take care of its own problems, North Korea will do just fine without our interference. I wish the people of NK the greatest success.
Not harsh. Very reasonable and many Americans agree with you.
@Chad
My thoughts exactly. Lots of sour grapes and butthurt Westerners in this thread. The DPRK has what it takes to defeat arrogant Zio-gays and their ’anti-authoritarianism’ (with Soros being their infallible authority all along the line).
Congratulations to the DPRK — excellent resolve and national cohesion!
This negotiation with Trump will turn out to be a major blow to Trump.
Kim is not giving up anything without Chinese and Russian guaranteeing his sovereignty.
At the minimum, China wants the US out of the Peninsula. Both Koreas want the US out.
Even if the North and South sign a Peace Treaty and end to the War, the North cannot drop its guard and put aside the artillery and rockets that are their primary MAD shield.
Only China and Russia can guarantee security for the North, and thus, only China and Russia can denuclearize the North. But they won’t do that until the US agrees to leave and take its nukes and its missile defense systems off the Peninsula.
Kim has achieved the first stage of proxy for what China wants.
This negotiation with Trump is really Trump having to handle China and Russia as he attempts to neutralize North Korea.
It has virtually no hope as a deal between Kim and Trump. Why would Kim disarm, stand down and not get anything he needs for security?
if to run a wild fantasy, it would be a fun thing for Russian Army to take security of South Korea northern border.
Then Kim makes a fuss and throws few mines and shells, and Russian Army spectacularly intercepts them and then bombs launching positions, allegedly “repelling North’s aggression”.
And when the dust settles Seoul can ask USA “Hey, what good are your military for? Russian army protected our sovereignty while you were sleeping hundreds miles away. Why are your bases still in SK then?”
Just a wild fantasy, I admit. But maybe Clancy could adore it. :-D
With respect to geopolitical fantasies, or hallucinations as I refer to them, the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, mouthpiece of Canadian Liberal hallucinations, may be be reading the Saker blog quite intently, or not. One of the anchors of CBC TV’s “The National,” Adrienne Arsenault, interviewed the notorious Fran Lebowitz for the Sunday evening show. At one point, to my astonishment, Arsenault asked Lebowitz if she expected the two Koreas “to make nice,” and Trump to walk away with the Nobel Peace Prize. Here it is at 02:00 min., http://www.cbc.ca/news/thenational/fran-lebowitz-speaks-out-on-metoo-gun-control-and-trump-1.4631114 Rather similar thoughts to one of my geopolitical hallucinations posted here a month ago. /moveable-feast-cafe-2018-03-23/#comment-500668 Ah, well! I would never claim to be a complete original. I always find out that what I think may have been, perhaps, an original reverie has already occurred to other people. Star light, star bright, first star I see tonight, I wish I may, I wish I might, have this wish I wish tonight.
That is the minimum, but that won’t be enough security for North Korea. North Korea will keep a few warheads and missiles until the US withdraws from Japan as well.
Maybe DPRK can keep their missiles and warheads across borders, in Russia and in China.
That way if USA+RK+Japan threat grows they would be able to reclaim them.
Granted, if all three America+China+Russia would conspire that would leave DPRK without nukes, but in case of such a conspiracy nothing would save them anyway
I feel a twinge of pity for poor, deluded Babylon. While she partied, still believing she was, queen of the earth, the Persians slipped under her defences and took her over.
Ok but, what do you make of promises of denuclearization? Or that they are content with US troops in korea. Those two does not reconcile with the above statement
Denuclearization will be on the same basis as the US and all other nuclear powers have promised to get rid of their nuclear weapons as agreed upon in the nuclear non-proliferation treaty. This is nothing strange, all members of the treaty have agreed to denuclearize.
Letting US troops stay in the south just means the border will still be there and Korea will continue to be divided through a hard border between north and south. Korea cannot be unified as long as there is US military occupation of the south. When US troops leave, Korea will be one country again. Most likely NK will use the time from now til the US leaves to narrow the gap in technology and education with the south to not make the unification too much of a shock. Now the gap in living standards and education is too big and would put too much of a strain on the economy of the south.
Interesting read, as always. Just a little remark: the claim „you can not prove a negative“ ist patently incorrect and should never be made, if one wishes to make a sound argument.
A very basic illustration: there are many ways to prove „1 =/ 2“, mathematically.
„1 =/ 2“ is not a “negative”. It is a mathematical inequality. Misleadingly expressed with a sloppy notation.
Don’t feel bad. “you can’t prove a negative” is equally sloppy. But it is expressed in natural language; and we are expected to deal skilfully with its defects.
Otter: Well, you can’t prove “nothing violates the uncertainty principle” unless you test every interaction in the universe. Good luck with that.
Maybe it is still true sometimes.
In modulo one ring Z/1 for example
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modular_arithmetic#Integers_modulo_n
In listening to what passes for “news” from the MSM , one gets the impression that the DPRK has unilaterally agreed to give up its nuclear weapons, and will not make it contingent on the withdrawal of US troops from the Korean Peninsula.
The minute I heard that, I knew I would have to do my own research in order to find out what was really said by Pyongyang.
First some facts:
1.
The DPRK suffered unimaginable violence at the hands of the US during the 1950-1953 conflict, which was never formally ended.
2.
The DPRK has negotiated with the US before – during the Clinton administration- where they froze their nuclear program in return for assistance in building 2 light-water reactors, fuel and food aid.
The DPRK stuck to its end of the bargain, but then Clinton started to drag his feet in implementing the US’s agreed obligations.
And subsequently his sucessor not only scrapped the agreement, but he also managed to insert North Korea into what was termed the “Axis of Evil”.
3.
The DPRK leadership is acutely aware of what befall leaders and countries that disarm and place themselves at the mercy of Uncle Sam.
Saddam and Gaddafi did what they thought would secure peace for their countries, but instead were rewarded with invasion and death.
4.
And if points 1-3 listed above were to be disregarded as factors, the agreement between the P5+1+EU and Iran, the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action JCPOA, should not be.
The US is reneging on its obligations under the agreement, and Trump even wants to tear it up or have a “do over” that puts Iran at a disadvantage.
With all that in mind, why would North Korea give up the one thing that has brought the US to its senses?
North Korea simply said hey look:
We now have what we’ve always wanted, so we can now afford to be magnanimous. With this in mind we will stop our testings and not make US troop withdrawal a pre-condition for talks.
Oh, and also, now that we’ve elbowed our way into the Nuclear Club, we solemnly swear not to proliferate, ever!
I believe that “if” negotiations ever get started, the US will be in for a rude awakening, when the DPRK reveal what they really want.
I suspect that at a minimum, they will demand that all US troops be withdrawn and the North will want to be acknowledged as a nuclear power.
If, and this is a big if, they should ever decide to give up their nuclear weapons, they will demand in turn, an iron-clad security gurantee from the US- with China and Russia acting as some sort of guarantors.
How Trump will be able to take to twitter and spin this as a US victory is beyond me.
However we have to bear in mind that they create their own reality, and if the MSM interprets it as a victory- then I guess it will be.
Yes, I agree.
And suppose that time, indeed it does, works for China, DPKR and russia and against the anglo empire.
Take it for granted the all Asian economies and societies will be more and more attracted by the charm of the chinese dragon and their governments will growingly choose to orbit around China… So WHAT WILL South Korea
under these inevitable circunstances do?
The answer is obvious.
Not to confront Pyong Yang to begin with and negotiating steadily with them , whether the US likes it or not.
On227,
Good argument, but there will never be a reliable agreement with US, which always reneges on all agreements it makes. Because, “exceptional country” never sticks to any agreements with the “lesser species”, as it always finds “the lesser species” not sticking the agreement, which is always a subject to the “exceptional” interpretation.
”The DPRK leadership is acutely aware of what befall leaders and countries that disarm and place themselves at the mercy of Uncle Sam.
Saddam and Gaddafi did what they thought would secure peace for their countries, but instead were rewarded with invasion and death.”
Exactly. And the DPRK is very outspoken about these facts as well. The contrast to the Western Left is absolutely incredible: No defeatism, no utopianism, and no Western imperial arrogance.
I’d love to be in on the negotiations.
How about denuclearize of South Korea and Japan!?
How about U.S. withdrawl from South Korea, and Japan?!
Of course, it would be ruinous for DPRK to believe ANY ‘promises‘ from the empire… [they can just do some little chant three times, once per year and not have to keep ANY promises, or something, so I’ve been told.]
I’d expect that other countries that want their own sovereignty, will follow the template established by DPRK; and it is a rationale decision in this upside-down, backwards double-think world under the oppression of the empire.
So the empire’s policy of subversion and domination is the primary driver behind the nuclearization of the planet!
Way to go, empire!
[I notice that you have some agents here; go tell your masters we are watching you.]
How about denuclearize of South Korea and Japan!?
-Yes, I’m pretty sure that will be discussed. And as long as the US can afford to nuclearize them, there will be no denuclearization.
The Korean peninsula is an important “geopolitical pivot” for the American Empire on the Eurasian continent, according to Zbig. Brzezinski in his book The Grand Chessboard.
The Americans will not give it up unless they are forcibly expelled–preferably to the bottom of the Yellow Sea.
Negotiating with the Americans is worse than negotiating with a snake.
You simply cannot trust what the Americans promise. Deception is what they specialize in.
Ask the Russians and Mikhail Gorbachev, to whom the United Snakes promised not to expand NATO with German reunification. Or the Serbians and The Rambouillet Accord.
Look how well that turned out–for the Americans.
At base, the USA is defined in its national character by an aggressive Manifest Destiny to subjugate the entire planet–particularly Eurasia.
This is true of *all factions* in the American Empire–including Mafia Don Trump. The only geopolitical differences among these American factions is one of *tactics* and how best to advance America’s unipolar tyranny.
Like the Obama supporters before them, Trump propagandists are still peddling the deception that Trump is “opposed” to American Empire and its full spectrum dominance ambitions.
That is an American psyops–one that is particularly targeted at the “alternative media” demographic (like on this website) to sucker them into tacitly supporting this war criminal.
‘America First’ Is a Mantra for Unilateral Aggression
http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2017/02/27/america-first-mantra-for-unilateral-aggression.html
Trump’s ‘America First’ strategy – The Wolfowitz Doctrine with a new name
https://www.sott.net/article/371849-Trumps-America-First-strategy-The-Wolfowitz-Doctrine-with-a-new-name
The Dangerous Deception Called The Trump Presidency
http://www.williamengdahl.com/englishNEO25Nov2016.php
Too simplistic to shout USA, USA… Do you believe the entire globalism project is spearheaded and controlled by the US? How does Brussels look to you these days? Or Orwellian UK? Of course the globalists work through the most powerful country. No surprise there.
Trump is no saint – perhaps the less worse for the moment. The US has been captured for so long, and is still so much controlled by the globalists that there is unlikely to be a coherent (non globalist) US geopolitical position for some time. Nevertheless, it is likely that the faction Trump represents is the last chance for a political-process move away from the US position as a globalist pawn.
Trump propagandists are merely the mirror image of the Obama propagandists in that both devolve into increasingly contrived rationalizations to deny who their idol really is.
Trump is in fact the White Barack Obama: both are false prophets of Hope and Change.
And all this rhetoric about Trump being a last chance hope is comical.
Is this the latest meme that the CIA troll farms have concocted?
With his appointment of Neocons like John Bolton and Mike Pompeo, Trump is proving himself to be just as militaristic as Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama.
The only “last chance” that Trump represents, as William Engdahl argues, is for the American Empire to continue its ambitions for American unipolar domination:
“Donald Trump was put into office to prepare America for war, a war the banks of Wall Street and the US military industrial complex are not presently in a position economically or industrially or otherwise, geopolitically, to win. His job will be to reposition the United States for them to reverse the trend to disintegration of American global hegemony, to, as the Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz Project for the New American Century put it in their September, 2000 report, “rebuild America’s defenses.”
http://www.williamengdahl.com/englishNEO25Nov2016.php
And for American shills, the very idea of “globalism” functions in the same way that the idea of the “Illuminati” exists–as a meaningless catchphrase to regurgitate like a well-trained parrot, and divert responsibility away from the crimes of the American Empire and its brand of free market capitalism.
These American apologists simply cannot admit an iota the atrocities that Land of the Free is guilty of–it is all the “globalists” fault.
America is a poor innocent pawn–no matter how many nations it has bombed back to the Stone Age or exploited in order to sustain the American Way of Life.
By this logic, when the United States ethnically cleansed Native Indian tribes or enslaved Africans as part of its Manifest Destiny to colonize all the land from the Atlantic to Pacific, that wasn’t America’s fault. It was the Globalists!
Keep on telling yourself all this if it helps you to sleep better at night.
Hah! An Engdahl fan. That explains it. He’s a dark dark thinker, deeply anti-American without any further self-reflection. (Yes yes I know, a huge flock of disciples considers him the most brilliant political analyst in the world, even more brilliant than The Saker . . .)
People who blame the globalists are just being realistic. As I said in another comment (oops, probably under a different pseudonym) look at the Trilateral Commission website. Some 54% of their 68 or so executive board members live in Europe. Only about 21% are American.
The people who blame the US entirely seem to me to be propagandists for the globalists. The globalists want to deflect blame from themselves, so they try to get Russians and Americans to blame each other. “Lets you and him fight.” Or maybe you’re just an innocent person who really thinks this?
Good comment, Eponymous.
Interesting how Soros wages all-out war on Europe and tries at every turn to undermine Trump. Is he part of the monolithic “Evil America” that the poster above and “one-note” Engdahl rant about? It is in fact possible to see the complexity of the situation without trying to claim that Trump is somehow the representative of something good. When it comes to power, who is good? The number of national leaders historically who were seen as truly good is small. There are different groups vying for power, that’s all. Some are trying to solidify their power through a country (nationalists) and others are trying to capture the entire planet through any nefarious means possible (globalists).
I would even venture the following: America does not in any sense have the power to control the entire planet. Russia and China together with their allies are too strong. The only ones who can fantasize about global control are those with their claws sunken into multiple control points – e.g. World banking, EU project, deliberate moral decay of societies, mainstream media control, etc., with the military power of the US and NATO as only one component. If a person thinks the great and mighty USA controls all of these, they should look more deeply. Who are these omnipotent USA – ians? …… Trump? Please! The guy barely has his head above water.
The most significant event – widely unreported in the west as usual – was the 3 day visit to China in March by the DPRK leader Kim Jong-un where he had extensive discussions with Chinese President Xi Jinping at the Great Hall of The People.
“Xi Jinping offered warm words comparing the economic and social strides China has taken . . . with the DPRK’s generally under-reported (he should have said ‘totally unreported’) economic expansion, infrastructural boom and social improvements made under the leadership of Kim Jong-un. In spite of sanctions the DPRK economy has widely expanded in recent years.”
But the 3 days of meetings were about a lot more than just warm words.
“Xi Jinping is indicating that the opportunity for further economic inter-connectivity between the DPRK and China is open and that Xi looks forward to establishing the principles of peace through prosperity as the basis for enhanced ties with the DPRK. This will also help pave the way for four-way economic integration between Russia, the two Koreas and China, in line with Russian President Vladimir Putin’s proposals in autumn of 2017.”
So China and Russia have a joint plan – 4 way economic integration – involving improving prosperity and quality of life for the Korean people.
Kim’s stated aim of de-nuclearisisng has brought it Russian and Chinese guarantees of it’s security.
This is the essence of it and it blows apart any US hope of promoting division and strife. Short of all out ww3 nobody is going to attack North Korea now.
There remain of course the issue of America’s complete unreliability in keeping it’s word and the fact that the US has nuclear weapons in South Korea.
However that said, “The Kim-Xi summit is further proof that of all the powers with a self-described or self-evident interest in the Korean peninsula, it is the US which now stands as the odd man out.
South Korean President Moon Jae-in remains committed to further dialogue and cooperation with the DPRK, while China and Russia have always worked to bring about the kind of developments in the region which are now occurring”
North Korea will not be facing the US alone at any Kim/Trump talks that may happen.
“With China fully on board the peace process as confirmed in the Kim-Xi summit, the US will sooner or later have to realise that in negotiating with the DPRK, the US will also be negotiating as part of a situation in which China is the ultimate king-maker, not only because of its power and geographical proximity to Korea, but because China has vested interests in peace and inter-connectivity with both Korean states that it will not want molested by an incomplete or failed deal from the US side”.
The Chinese want to nail America down to a deal they will have to abide by. If the US won’t demonstrate sincerity in seeking peace it will be obvious to the world who the problem is – and it isn’t North Korea.
http://www.eurasiafuture.com/2018/03/28/xi-jinping-and-kim-jong-un-make-history-in-beijing/
This is the best possible outcome – a united group of countries dealing with the warmonger. Slowly but surely, the US is getting shoved out of the whole South China Sea area to the massive benefit and security of all the peoples living there.
What Russia/China do quietly and often unreported is increasingly what really matters in shaping world events.
I am curious. There were some talks about Taiwan that quickly died down. And I’ve not seen any talks lately about South China Sea islands. Could it be that US and China traded them (SCS islands) for present NK stance?
I do not think so. SCS as you say, are to essential to China to just give away. China will have the Korea’s united, but it might take time. Patience is what Westerners do not have and have never learned. Just like with HK, China waited about 100 years to get Canton back.
On a lighter note…. if socialism ever goes to the South, these ladies had better watch out :
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/04/22/world/asia/korean-air-nut-rage.html?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com
Trump calls it “denuclearization” in this tweet:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/986555533535731712
Donald J. Trump
Verified account @realDonaldTrump
Mike Pompeo met with Kim Jong Un in North Korea last week. Meeting went very smoothly and a good relationship was formed. Details of Summit are being worked out now. Denuclearization will be a great thing for World, but also for North Korea!
6:42 AM – 18 Apr 2018
I agree with Trump on this one..
The North Koreans will dismantle their test sites, but keep their design and production sites. They have developed all they need in terms of missile and warhead capabilities to achieve their political aims. They know their designs work, so like the US, there is no need to test the hardware.
The US has won bigly because North Korea will dismantle its testing site! Whoopdedoo!
Something happened here.. something secret and interesting.
Lil Kim trades outrageous insult with outrageous insult with the Donald for months, builds himself some nukes and a ballistic missile that can reach Washington he says and then….
He tootles off to China in a train for a meeting with Mr Big China. Okay.
But then … he comes out that meeting a completely different man. Same funny haircut, same chubby face, same tight suit – but ….. nuke program is now complete, no more tests, no more ballistic missiles and all we want from the US is …. peace! Not even one itsy bitsy teeny weeny little even thickly veiled remark about dotards who want to rule the world. And he looked very happy indeed.
So what did Mr Xi whisper in his ear at that meeting?
And take into account Lil Kim already had Big Xi’s guarantee of military defense for US aggression.
I guess Mr Xi Jinping told Mr Kim Jong Un not to bother with failing US empire because their game was over.
The US is finished – the neocon wars did it and the US politicians were to blame. Additionally, global financial system is in the virtual clouds, from where it can fall any time. China and Russia are the big boys in the new game that has already started: both have been working on a transition to socialism for quite a few years now; it is coming and nobody will be able to stop it.
Indeed, Chinese economy is set to dominate the world; there is no doubt about that. US exhibits all signs of complete cultural and civilizational exhaustion, that is for sure.
But what has Russia with all that ? The only thing that might qualify Russia to be a significant world player is its nuclear arsenal and hydrocarbons. It lacks much, especially in terms of social and economic dynamics.
And both Russia and China are so beyond socialism, that any leftist’s hope put in them is grotesque. Both Russia and China are completelly immersed in postmodern consumerism, ruled by oligarchs (Russia) or beraucrat-industrialists (China).
Sure, multipolarity is much better than unipolarity. But hoping it would bring by itself a miraculous civilizational paradigm shift, is just naive.
Whether Trump helped bring about Kim Jong Un’s declaration or not, this is a win for everyone. The North Korean threat (if it existed) is effectively neutralized. And the Western threat to North Korea is no doubt also neutralized. I doubt even the neocons would seek regime change at this point. Peace :)
If it was true that NK folded completely as some are claiming, then explain why:
Japan m’s Abe is asking the USA for a total an irreversible denuclearization of NK. Trump has expressed doubts which I paraphrase: “Maybe it would work maybe not” also stating or tweeting “if there is no concrete action I will pull out of the meeting”. These words express some doubts
With regards to Xi and Putin, they need Peace and Security for OBOR to be the promised win-win. Thus, this deescalation is great for business.
The DPRK is the embodiment of the will of a people to resist their own conquest by the world’s Oppressor Nations, a.k.a. the West. The DPRK isn’t hated by worthless Western “anti-authoritarians” for any other reason. The Workers Party of Korea has resisted the will of the Zionazis as only a few others have.
Judging by some comments in this thread, Donald Trump is an anti-imperialist while Kim Jong-Un is a warmonger. Of course — how could it be otherwise? The DPRK’s leadership hasn’t been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize; nor will it ever despite the fact that it is precisely the nuclear capabilities of the DPRK which have convincingly deterred the West from renewed mayhem and murder there. Intelligent and courageous peoples of the world are not appreciated by Western self-worshippers and their pity parties.
His goals for North Korea are mind-bendingly constructive for a Socialist state previously shattered. Having watched videos of the movements of the masses of civilians and military I find them impressive. One way of making sure their need to finish building their state to be extremely safe, prosperous and educated is to make sure they do not ever forget their other half and how and who split them up. The American constant threats and insults remind the North Koreans of who and how 24/7.
Hmmm. See, there is this thing called “context”. Context is toughest sanctions ever experienced, with private companies breaking it actually sanctioned, intense discussion with SK, SK reporting NK will to reunify en denuclearize, USA confirming it’s moving that way to them etc. That context means there are way to read that report that are likely, others less so. The Sake’s way… seems of the second category.
I have a prediction.
NK will denuclearize, K will reunify in a process that will see NK becoming an ultra low cost world manufacturing country, savagely competing /w China, yet able to quickly get factory producing electronics thanks to its transition from closed, communist-like formula to “you can make huge money now” doubled with supervision from SK big companies (close and share a common language). Lot’s of money pouring on Kim Jong Un & family and power circles. The people ? See what happened to them in China circa 1990 I guess. USA will not move away from the area. NK will drop its nuke and open its country. Nuke will have bough the elite a ticket to world elite. Expect to see them spending money rue de Rivoli, Paris.
Big win : SK, NK elite, USA, World Peace. Big loose : Japan, China, other 2nd grade manufacturing countries. As energy consumption rises, Russia may be able to sell some gas ?
If Kim Jong-Un stepped down in favour of some fabulous Western ’anti-authoritarian’, the DPRK would be instantly de-industrialized, raped, and pillaged right in accordance with the Russian and East European template of the 1990s. But, then again, the people of the erstwhile DPRK won’t have to worry as they will be blessed by faggot parades, paedophilia, and a steady GMO diet.
As a rule, Westerners find it extremely difficult and uninspiring trying to understand countries and peoples having a moral character to show for them.