“Poland has not perished, but should die“ – outrageous slogan in Przemysl
More images from Poland here and here
- Historical photos of aftermath of the Bandera’s militants attack on a train in Poland in 1944. 18+ All of the victims were Polish citizens, mostly women and old people.
- Atrocities of the Bandera death battalions in Poland, Belorussia and Ukraine , 21+
- Actor and member of Polish Parliament Pavel Kukiz – “Bandera followers are not my brothers”
- Ukrainian football fans demonstrated flag with Bandera’s portrait during the match with Poland
- Poland, The massacres of Poles in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia by the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA)’s historical images, horror 18+
- Occupation of Poland by Germany 1939. many rare, never seen photos
- Pro Maidan anti-Russian demonstration of the members of the Polish party Solidarność Solidarity, (property of the ex president Lech Wałęsa) in front of the Embassy of Russia in Warsaw in 2014.
On June 26, the crowd of Ukro- fascists orchestrated a march across a small Polish town of Przemysl, chanting “Jeszcze Polska nie zginęła, ale musi zginą” (Poland has not yet perished, but should die) and “Sława Ukrainie, sława herojam” (Glory to Ukraine, glory to heroes). The slogan “Sława Ukrajini, herojam sława!” was officially accepted as a greeting by OUN in 1939 and by OUN-B (banderites) in 1941.
The former is UPA-UNSO Bandera followers’ slogan ‘glory to the heroes!’, while the later is changed first line of Polish national anthem, which is also the beginning of the anthem of Ukraine. Just replace “Poland” with “Ukraine,” and Polish language with Ukrainian.
This line also serves as the beginning of the offensive Ukrainian song “”Jeszcze Polska nie zginęła, ale zginąć musi, jeszcze Polak Ukraińcowi buty czyścić musi” “Poland has not perished yet, but must die, so another Polack will shine Ukrainian’s boots.” Polish guys were chanting, “Stepan Bandera – prostitute of Hitler.”
Well, you know, the usual exchange of pleasantries and historical references between two members of the democratic coalition called the European Union.
Since we are talking here about words and slogans, Words ” Ukraina, Ukrainec” come out in last of 19 century in Galicia. And official name of land ‘Ukraina” in 1918. “Sława Ukrajini” is slogan of Ukrainian nationalists come out 1918-1920 years ( Leaders: S Petlura, R Shuhevich)
If you don’t mind switching between Polish, Ukrainian, Russian and English, I recommend you to read an unusually educational exchange of opinions in comments for this video. For instance, when a pro-Bandera commentator suggested that Ukrainians came to Poland in search for “shelter,” someone had replied: “No Ukrainians came to Poland in search for a shelter.. .Those Ukrainians looking for shelter fled to Russia, after beastly banderovci came.”
Do Polski żaden ukrainiec nie przyjechał do schronienie… po schronienie do uciekli ukraińcy do rosji przed banderowską swołoczą.
Some Russian sources reported in next day that Polls recognized a Ukrainian man who tried to chant an offensive song. Poles also got angry with their own Media coverage for this event, that glazed over the anti-Polish character of the demonstration.
Some voices came claiming that Ukrainian migrants in Poland were honoring the Sich Riflemen and Petlura (who was ultimately killed by a Jew whose family his forces murdered during a pogrom), but not Bandera. If the organizers of this march expected sympathy from the locals, they failed. If, on the other hand, they tried to bring out anger and resentment towards Ukrainians in general, they certainly succeeded. Lest we forget that fire of hatred between European nations is being lovingly fed and so carefully spread, starting with the deceivingly naive statement, “Why do they hate you so much?” progressing by the means of the marches in memory of war criminals, and rising to Pentagon level with general Breedlove orchestrating a NATO military operation in Ukraine.
- Breedlove’s war: Emails show ex-NATO general plotting US conflict with Russia
Assuming anything about “hate” between nations, we have to remember that our opinion of faraway places are shaped by the Media. Media of Ukraine and Poland occupied by NATO is just that: the US State Department talks to Pentagon and CIA over people’s heads.
It might do us less harm if we assume that people of different nations don’t hate each other, as some individuals do for some personal reasons. Especially it’s true in relation of the Slavic nations, that are all basically Russians, with some geographical variance, if modern genetic researches have something to say about it.
On May 27th, at a joint press conference of with the Prime Minister of Greece, Putin said that he didn’t know what else to do to break the wall of indifference of Europeans to NATO’s increasing activities on Russia’s borders. He said
“… with regard to Poland. We will wait for certain actions to be taken in Poland. We are not going to do anything until we see missiles on the neighboring territory. And we have the necessary resources. You saw, the whole world saw our capabilities in terms of medium-range sea and air based missiles. We are not violating anything, but our land-based missile systems have a brilliant record.”
About a year ago, a NATO general from Poland was asked by a journalist why the Polish military was pushing to host the US ballistic missiles in Poland, inviting Russia to strike Poland and wipe it off the face of the earth. He responded, saying allegedly, ” I don’t care, my dentist lives in Brussels.”
If you ask me, it’s class warfare. This NATO general’s reply is of the same category as the German President Gauck saying during an interview: “The elite are not the problem. The population is the problem.” Whatever senile, evil, and idiotic Herr Gauck might be, he blurted out what they, the elite, communicate to each other. It’s hard to get rid of this notion that the Western elites are planning a “suicide by cop” for the entire European population, cornering Russia into using force.
In the meantime, to increase the level of anxiety, fear, hatred and chaos, the ruling elites use provocative demonstrations and terror attacks.
Sometimes, you hear Americans or Canadians pontificating about “hatred” between Russians, Polish and Ukrainians, and all the others, and that this mythical “hatred” is the reason why European countries all together want to be in NATO against Russia. I want you to stop them politely and to inform them, that if indeed such a calamity would take place they won’t be able to sit it out safely in the North American woods. There are things in place that will get them, most definitely. We don’t discriminate, and we are all in it together, right?
NATO Summit in Warsaw is fast approaching, during which NATO will hand an ultimatum to Russia
The Polish defense minister has been already spilling the beans:
- NATO’s Warsaw summit will stabilize eastern flank: Polish minister
- Bolster the military alliance’s position in talks with Russia,
- NATO countries are expected to announce details of plans to station four battalions on a rotating basis in Poland and the Baltic states
- Polish Defence Minister Antoni Macierewicz told reporters in Warsaw: “We are confident that this summit will stabilize the situation both in the east and south. NATO is a defensive alliance. It responds to threats.”
- “the largest NATO summit so far, both in terms of numbers and decisions [and] the breakthrough nature of these decisions. The forces of our allies will finally be in place permanently on the eastern flank.”
- “The response which will be given on 8 and 9 July will be a sufficient response, an effective response, a response which is an effective deterrent and providing security for our countries and nations.”
- “Prior to this decision, there was no reason to talk. After the decision we can talk about how to maintain peace in the world,” Macierewicz said.
- He added: “We are counting on these discussions leading to the withdrawal of Russia not only from aggressive steps, but also from the territories that it illegally took from Ukraine.“
Multinational battlegroups
- The NATO battlegroups expected to be stationed in Poland and the Baltic states will be multinational with 800 to 1,000 troops each.
- Each will be deployed for six to nine months then replaced by a successor so there is no time gap in between.
- Each of the battlegroups is to be led by a so-called framework nation, which will assume command and provide the bulk of the troops.
- The US, Britain and Germany have previously declared they will take on such a role, while Canada confirmed on Thursday that it would head one of the four groups.
- The PAP news agency reported, citing unofficial sources, that the US will command a battlegroup in Poland, Germany will head a battalion in Lithuania, and Britain a group in Estonia.
As you can see, every statement made by the Polish Defense Minister is bizarre, self-delusional, and almost moronic. He sounds like he is absolutely uninformed about anything that President Putin has said in the past six months, and what Russia has done in Syria militarily and elsewhere diplomatically. It’s almost like it’s not what it seems. It almost like it’s a smoke screen for something else.
On May 11, 2016 in his speech, Antoni Macierewicz, Minister of National Defense of the Republic of Poland, blamed his government for trying to maintain good relations with Russia, which is not even true.
Report on the state of public affairs and state institutions as of the end of PO-PSL coalition rule (2007-2015), delivered on May 11, 2016 in Parliament (Sejm)
I cannot imagine any minister of defense throwing such horrible accusations at the elected officials. The Parliament is his boss. He is only the hired help. But he sounds like he is ready for a military revolt, for becoming a fresh Führer of Poland
In some circles, the Defense Secretary Ashton Carter is already referred to as a “president.”
When Germany occupied the Soviet Russia, they used to organize “armies” staffed with local minorities to create an illusion of popular “uprising” against Russians.
That’s exactly the strategy that Washington employs by scouting the European nations to participate in this suicidal for them armed mission against Russia and its allies. Keep in mind that the president of China has just announced that Russia and China are on the way to build the most powerful defense union that will dwarf the Western armed forces.
China’s president made a statement that was absolutely unprecedented for a usually reserved Chinese government. Chinese President XI Jinping in his speech on Friday the 1st of July, noted the strategic need for an alliance between Russia and China, which he believes will determine the future world order. President XI also mentioned something about Russia – China and other countries military alliance that might dwarf the power of NATO.
It almost looks like the Chinese president gently tapped NATO on the shoulder before its Warsaw Summit, asking them to calm the hell down.
This week Kerry met Stoltenberg in preparation for the Warsaw Summit. Images surfaced of Jen Stontelberg beaming like a girl. Russians immediately created a theory of his unusual behavior. Why Stoltenberg is so happy? NATO is taking the rule over Europe?
Meanwhile, NATO Military exercises involving 14 countries has began in Ukraine near Lvov on June 27th. During the drills some NATO countries will share experience with Ukraine, reports the Ukrainian Defense Ministry
To understand who occupies the Western Part of Russia, just look at the list of participants: the United States, Belgium, Bulgaria, Canada, Georgia, the UK, Moldova, Lithuania, Norway, Poland, Romania, Sweden and Turkey.
As you might notice the absence of France, Germany, Spain and Italy.
WE have Georgia, Lithuania, Moldova, the Western parts of Russia occupied by the US with their puppets regimes. That would do anything Washington direct them. That includes Bulgaria, Romania and Poland, all former Warsaw peace treaty countries which are now occupied by the West in a violation of the post-WWII order.
Now, I believe that Turkey’s plans have changed in regard to Kiev junta. This leaves the US, Belgium, Canada, the UK and Norway as the countries which further drive the occupation of the Western parts of Russia. . It’s worth noting, that the UK’s militarily participation in the occupation of Ukraine indicates the entire falsity of the so called Brexit.
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“The universal support of Russia’s initiative in the UN human rights council allows for hoping that the consolidated position of the international community will bring about a solution to the problem of arbitrary deprivation of citizenship and put an end to violations this phenomenon entails,” the Foreign Ministry said.
“This is of particular importance in the context of mass statelessness in Latvia and Estonia, where hundreds of thousands of Russian speakers, including children, have been denied citizenship for more than two decades,” the Foreign Ministry said. “We hope that Riga and Tallinn will heed the opinion of the human rights council, which backs up the earlier recommendations from international and regional human rights protection mechanisms regarding the need for the elimination citizenshiplessness in these countries.”.
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- Payback time: Astana reminded Kiev about an old debt
The Kazakh Ministry of investment and development reminded that the time has come. Since the first of July of the current year, it will take much longer for the Ukrainian goods to reach consumers in Kazakhstan.
The Ministry of investments and development (MID) of Kazakhstan:”on July 1, 2016, carriers engaged in international transport from the territory of Ukraine to the territory of the Republic of Kazakhstan must organize the delivery of goods via the following routes: through Georgia, Azerbaijan and across the Caspian sea on Aktau; through Turkey, Iran, Turkmenistan, and Uzbekistan.”
Instead of through Russia directly to Kazakhstan. As a reminder, Kazakhstan is one of the few countries that still buys goods produced in Ukraine. Another reminder, the same route Ukraine will have to start shipping goods to China.
The West and its war on humanity under the pretext of “human rights’
Права человека по-западному https://t.co/CVdU7268Ya
— Reza Sajjadi (@RezaSajjadi) July 2, 2016
June 27th is the 35 year anniversary of the West orchestrated MKO terror attack on the headhunter of a political party in Iran killing the Head of the judicial system, four ministers and twenty eight members of the Parliament and many representatives of the Iranian intelligentsia.
The terror group of the People’s Mojahedin of Iran or the Mojahedin-e-Khalq MKO or MEK is still comfortably located in Europe, as an “opposition.”
Congratulations with the victory! from Reza Sajjadi, former Ambassador of Iran in Russia
“My dear friends!
I want to congratulate each of you on the fact that Mr. Erdogan has apologized. If it wasn’t for the resistance of the people and government of Russia, Mr. Erdogan would have never apologized for his ill-conceived, foolhardy act, just as he still has not apologized for his policies and crimes in Syria. Once again, history has shown that if people and government are united against the enemy, they will be able to withstand and win.
There is no doubt that the attack wasn’t prepared by Turkey alone – the Americans stand behind all of these. Therefore, the people of Russia defeated not only the Turks, but also the Americans. Thereby Russians have proven to the world, that whoever committed crimes with the support of America (the Great Satan), will be later regret it and be ashamed of their actions.
Let’s pray that as soon as possible, the day comes when, due to the resistance of the people and government of Syria, Mr. Erdogan, the family of al-Saud and the king of Qatar shall feel ashamed and apologize to the Syrians for the crimes committed in their country. However, just an apology for the ongoing genocide in Syria, Yemen and Iraq is not enough. Some heads of state are due to appear before a court of justice.
At the end I will add that we all grieve about what happened in Istanbul. The terrorists who blew up bombs at the international airport Ataturk have no excuse. With people of other countries, Iranians pray for the health of the wounded and the repose of the souls of the dead. But obviously what took place is, alas, the result of short-sighted policy of the Turkish authorities, the result of the support they have given to the terrorists in Syria.”
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Explosives specialists from the Donetsk republic that were kidnapped by the NATO special forces from the territory of the republic while they were removing mines and making the territory safe for people. The work was done with the approval of the OSCE.
On the video that SCU posted online, we can see that the servicemen bear all the marks of torture. It’s clearly a war crime committed by NATO.
The Emergencies Ministry workers examined 250 hectares of farmlands and 0,8 hectares of the coastline of the pond located in the area of the mine “Komsomolets Donbassa” (Komsomol member of Donbass) in Kirovskoye.
It should be noted that last week bomb-disposal experts of the Emergencies Ministry of the Donetsk People’s Republic discovered and defused almost 200 explosive objects on the territory of the state.
While NATO generals are screaming about non-existent “Russian aggressions” their troops are methodically killing, kidnapping and torturing Russian people. It’s not just an offensive song, like in Poland. And it’s not just a ban on transfer of goods. It’s pre-planned genocide of all persons, who happen to be outside of the Russian jurisdiction, and who happen to speak the Russian language and to be Russian
- Kiev district court arrested Valentine Liholit nicknamed “Batya,” (Daddy) the former commander of Nadejda Savchenko in Aidar death battalion.
He, together with another “maidan freedom fighter” Igor Radchenko, is being accused in organizing an illegal armed formation, murders and robberies. Aidar death battalion has served as a driving force behind Maidan revolt and it brought international junta to power. Aidar was generously financed by the oligarch Kolomoysky. It also allegedly received financing from European and American governments.
As a reminder, a documentary made by the Lugansk People republic news channel about death battalion Aidar ethnic cleansing of the village Novosvetlovka in summer 2014. Aidar militants used artillery against the peaceful village, hand grenades, shoot people on the streets.
“SCORCHED EARTH is what’s left of Novosvietlavka”
“The village lays burned, with all its houses and buildings. The aqueduct, the House of Culture, the church, the school. On the ruins of the school, near the carcass of a yellow school bus riddled with bullets, stood the remains of a large sign, with pictures of happy boys and girls under a sign: “These years of school are the most beautiful years.” Words that sound dramatically ironic in this setting. Also the hospital has been reduced to a pile of rubble. Vladimir Nikolai Svarievski, deputy mayor, tries to compose himself, apparently ashamed, though it wasn’t he that was responsible for the devastation. But he gives up the attempt and his eyes fill with tears, his mouth fills with the words of an account of the horror that seems to have no thought of coming to an end. “The militia of the Aidar battalion came through here. Lootings, shootings, mass graves, corpses desecrated.”
However, don’t believe your eyes or the witnesses. Believe instead CIA and the State Department funded alternative history site Wikipedia, “Novosvitlivka, Luhansk Oblast
Bandera followers never change their colors: black and dark red.
And their methods of ethnic cleansing: murder everyone from babies to old people.
Also, they like to jump up and down and sing
High school students in Ivano-Frankovsk, historical Stanislawow, a capital of Galicia perform song “We are all Banderovis”
Personally, I think that the Supreme Commander Stalin was a brilliant strategist, but he made two big mistakes after the war. He agreed to organize Israel, and he absorbed a hotbed of Nazism Galicia to be a part of Ukraine. Stalin saved Galicians from the justifiable Polish wrath. If Galicia remained a part of Poland, Poland would be pro-Russian now, all Bandera followers would be six feet under, and the Western part of Russia would remain the Western part of Russia.
[UPDATE]
An opinion poll in Ukraine caused a huge controversy with 51% of responders saying that they want to vote for “separatists’ like Zakharchenko to be members of the Parliament.
Alexander Zakharchenko is the head of an independent Donetsk People Republic.
71.5% of responders answered “no, because it’s stupid” to the question “will you boycott products of companies that recognize that Crimea is a territory of Russia?”
69% of responded answered “no, because it’s useless and it’s hurting Ukraine” to the question “ Do you support the blockade of electric power supply to Crimea?”
66.1% refused to have their passports issued in English, rather than Russian language.
When asked about the use of a red poppy flower as a Victory Day symbol, 67,1% answered that a poppy flower is not a symbol for the Victory Day, with 21% saying that they don’t use any symbols to celebrate.
When asked about May 9th, 92% responded that it’s a Victory day of the USSR in the World War II.
Question “Do you support ban on Soviet symbols?” 75.5% said “No, it’s our history.”
The poll was conducted by the Ukraine TV channel NewsONE.
The results of this poll have became known instantly across Ukraine and Russia, and even caused Anton Gerashchenko, an advisor to the Minister of Internal Affairs of Ukraine, to issue a message on his facebook page to Matvey Ganapolsky, an organizer of this poll. His message is absolutely hilariously funny and impossible to translate. It is about 10 sentences of despicable obscenities, with Gerashchenko promising to catch Ganapolsky and to break his bald head for damages that he had done to “democracy” by publishing people’s opinions.
“Does this mean that 51% in Ukraine will vote for Zakharchenko? Are you out of your mind?” Gerashchenko also offered Ganapolsky to move to “Mordor,” wherever this is.
My guess is that Anton Gerashchenko is a closeted Tolkien fan, which explains his unusual for a man body fat distribution: visceral, subcutaneous, central, gluteofemoral, and what is generally known as a fathead.
Scott
This is a very good sitrep and as usual, very good information in general. I think you are getting better. Many thanks for the links with pictures from ww2, I could watch them all day. Every picture has his own history, through the pictures man can feel that time. Regarding the newer time, I am astonished by this sentence : “The response which will be given on 8 and 9 July will be a sufficient response, an effective response, a response which is an effective deterrent and providing security for our countries and nations.” from the polish defense minister. What does he mean with that ? I know, you said that at the NATO meeting, they will give or proclaim some sort of ultimatum to Russia, but is that real ? Regarding Brexit : yes, my view on this is, that this was somehow orchestrated to give the NATO a bigger role in “uniting” Europe against who else, Russia. Anyway, if a decision will be taken toward confrontation with Russia, that will not be so easy to put it in practice. Here is a contradiction in what I said, of course : If they take the decision to go to war (put it frankly), they will have to instate unpopular laws in all Eu countries and North America.
How will react to that the people ? Probably, they have “played” this scenario more than one time.
With Brexit (in my opinion), the terrain is prepared for something to happen. The propaganda is not a big deal for them (the majority is brainwashed), just the decision is to be made. There are so many things to talk about in this regard. The time will give us more details.
Richard I have removed your post, as it contains nothing but a string of highly offensive comments, personalised and attacking.
It contributes nothing to adult discussion.
I will continue to remove any other such posts in the future.
We dont allow attacking any Vineyard staff, writers, or contributors on a personal basis.
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Planned genocide is clearly a fact of life in our world. Possibly one of the most basic facts of life and a logical consequence of concentrating power. There is a high cost to maintaining a boundary between inside and outside. Everyone is going to die anyway. But with planning some die sooner than others. All bacteria and animal life know it.
Now we have an interesting development in our postmodern world. So many millions of humans live a pointless dead end existence. They can’t afford to buy what they see on TV/internet or live like celebrities. So a kind uncle comes and trains them how to kill the neighbors and acquire their property. Worked like a charm for him. He swears he will back them up 100%. Such a deal!
Some people have to live through the consequences of their actions.. or find others to take the punishment.
Jees, Rhizomatic Schizomass, sometimes I think that you’re Douglas Adams in disguise.
Hey guys, anyone else seen this? Am I reading it correctly, does 52% of Ukrainian want to vote for Захарченко or Motorala?
http://www.kompravda.eu/daily/26480/3350550/
Is the case of the arrest of leader of Aidar referred too the one in recent days here his protestor supporters plus Azov and Donbass battalion members flooded or blockaded the court so justice proceedings cannot in fact proceed????
Edward Baurin repoort for 3July at ann news 8508 english subtiltes to video….tank movements near/around front, believed to be new weaponry is being sent to front says novorossia news these are currently not in osce lists…..recent incursion by ukr into Debaltsevo area 80 ukr troops killed maybe and “some ” kind of efforts to calm things down….my mrs has been watching vids of a new maidan type thingy in Kiev????? Expert says nato exercises are troops practising to quash any anti ukr government protests maybe.
Text of situation report by Basurin available on dni news Donetsk news 03072016…..things much the same but heading to be much worse??? Probably Minsk declared completely passee….pointless etc etc…..despite Lavrovs best words even nato beginning to say the same it must continue….we keep asking ourselves witn a sense of inevitability when will there ever be a point of recognition that there never will be a settlement especially when poro believes next imf tranche soon and is expecting more radar sets from usa as a sign of cooperation…..Yats in usa saying sanctions must continue…..
The second link,1st picture shows a modern TV (“Holocaust” 70s series or movie still, its not authentic,i guess meant to show what happend or didnt happend at Babi Yar.The second shows a massgrave of corpses died of Typhus in Bergen Belsen Northern Germany and captured SS Guards buring corpses under british oversight.Its noteworthy that the Typhus epedemic occured because allied planes destroyed the camps water facilities,the SS guards voluntarily stayed until the Brits arrived to hand the camp over, thats why they were captured in the first place.The 3rd is most likely historic showing corpses killed by the NKVD and excavated by the Germans in 1941 or 1942.the 4th and 5th pictures are showing stills from either a movie or TV series and are not historic.Maybe they show some kind of progrom commitited by Ukrainains against jews (?).The Train story was quite new to me.
Russia insider today carrying an article re Lvov and OUN events_Julyc1941,. Uner heading of what ukraine could become if you look at Lvovs past…?…
There is something fishy about Canada’s place in this.
At SPIEF, Putin again mentioned PM Trudeau’s intention to re-build full relations with Russia. Putin again said that Trudeau told him this at G20. I thought about a previous sitrep – Scott said that when Russia’s MOD says they are developing certain weapons, this means they already have them (just not released publicly). Surely this must apply here too?
Then Canada agrees to send troops for these NATO exercises. Sputnik releases this report, “Canada’s ties with Russia not to be affected by Ottawa’s NATO activities”.
http://sputniknews.com/politics/20160702/1042331156/russia-canada-nato.html
That’s extremely gracious of the Russians, isn’t it? Does any other participating country receive this kind of response? I don’t know what to make of it. On a side note, a few months ago, Christopher Black (CDN lawyer) requested info from Canada’s MoD. He received the same old Pentagon, NATO talk… but I think he too suspects that something has shifted with Canada’s place in all this. What? How? I have no idea. And the govt is not talking.
I truly believe in Scott’s warnings about genocide of Russians living in other countries. With the neo-Nazis in Ukraine and eastern Europe, I wondered if the Germans have concluded that they are next on the extermination list?
Another question: does anyone have any info on the death by natural causes of Germany’s head of its training mission in Iraq’s Kurdish territory? Colonel Stephan Spottel, 56, was found dead in his hotel room in Irbil on Sept. 23, 2015.
I was curious if there was anything that suggests the German military might have a grudge against NATO/US, and I came across this.
The incident in Przemysl is not the first such incident and not as innocent as it looks. These incidents clearly show that some power wants to cause a open conflict between Poland and Ukraine. have no love for banderites and bandarite Ukraine. However, if we add to the war in Donbass a conflict between Poland and bandarite Ukraine will turn Europe and definitely Eastern Europe into Middle East. It seems that after having made a mess in ME the Americans have turned their sights to E. Europe. God help us all.
Yes, the aim of the Americans since Bush1 before he won the Presidency or was given it by the US CIA, was to cleanse all Europe, reduce it in size, to make it into being an US colonial continent that is tasked with erasing the Slavic nation in Russia and ending the power of the Orthodox Church in all Eastern Europe, then globally.True of his plans for ancient Judaism too.Roman Catholic Church destroyed its self during WW11 totally.
As I see it with the EU rigidly aping everything America tells it to do, has accomplished fully over one half of this European transformation. With the US ensuring Russia or Chinese military self defence responses, NATO global war desires become front and globally, meaning European countries pull out in order to survive the America.
Episode 1:
https://youtu.be/VvgaJYKRM8Y
Ooohhh poland getting nervous or pretentious…extra border security checks etc and changes restrictions re security of Kaliningrad borders just to emphsdise the point of the security for nato conference….but sweden loses out cos poland is withdrawing from swedish submarine contracts/partnership.
The historical consensus for Russian origins was that they came from north and thus why the were called ‘Variagi’ (aka Vikings). This Slavic-origin theory was introduced after 1918 (we all know what happened) by the Bolsheviks in order to reconcile the new territories (all Slavic). I don’t say that the Russians are not our Slavic brother but they are such due to cooperation and interaction during the last 1200 years and not by genetics. I get really mad when famed anti-propagandist use the all well known propaganda tactics. Get your facts straight and when you talk history please do post the documents used for reference.
I see…
You wrote: “Get your facts straight and when you talk history please do post the documents used for reference.”
I love to get my facts straight. Could you please give me links to your sources?
I am looking for published genetic research that would confirm your “Viking” “theory.”
You’re familiar with latest genetic research, right? Do you disagree with them because you don’t understand them, or because they make you feeling, in your own words, “mad?”
Do you reject science out of some kind of political principle?
I am taking some time off to complete my book.
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You’re welcome to come back and get it. One of the articles in my new book is called “Who Are Russians?”
In brief, the Slavic nations are all basically Russians, with some geographical variance. It’s based on multiple research of many scientists. This is based on the research that were paid by the governments of the US and other European countries, and also by leading universities, and not by “Bolsheviks.”
You asked for references. Here are 26 million articles. Please, find a few that would confirm your CIA and Langley invented propaganda.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/
You’re welcome to do your own research.
regards,
Scott
Hi Scott,
I really appreciate that you are taking time and addressing my concerns. What I am talking is historical consensus, the facts didn’t changed and new facts were not invented from 1917 till now. The only thing that changed is the interpretation of the already known facts.
But let’s be orderly ok. First of all I am a physician and trust me 90% of my job is genetics and epigenetics. I do not repudiate any scientific data/facts but my job has showed me that the results are highly interpretative and depends more on politics than research. Before Kievan Russ the so called Russians didn’t even speak a slavic language. The so called north-Slavic language group (Russia/Belarus) is highly indicative of nordic roots (every linguist can tell you this without charge). When Kievan Russ was established and then Kievan Russ starting interacting with the local states the Slavic factor started picking pace and when the Russians were introduced the Cyrillic by Tsar Boris I this interaction really accelerated. I am not arguing that today Russians are of a slavic descendant but that the ‘first’ wasn’t. Also I do not agree telling all slavs are Russians. This is the same kind of propaganda that was used after WWII in courting the Balkan Slavic counties as well the eastern Europeans. Understand that I really believe that Russia will be proponent player in building the new world order after collapse of the Western order but let’s be honest and operate with truths and real historical data and not falling for the West’s favorite approach of half truths. Just open some of the Russian historical books from the time of Imperial Russia. Everything is written there. All of the late 19th/early 20th century Russian history scholars agreed that Russians were descended from Nordic tribes i.e. vikings but that the establishing of Kievan Russ led toa great deal of interaction with the Slavic tribes (during the reign of Kievan Russ there is not a single tsar marriage which didn’t involved a princess from a Slavic descendant and ofc that propagate lower to the level of individuals). Facts don;t change over time only their interpretation but interpretation is not truth.
P.S. You can blame me for whatever you want but I am not troll, brainwashed, sponsored by the PNAC etc. I am just for the truth. Real truth hurts and if someone is not ok enduring this pain than one is not worthy. One of the greatest lie in our time is History but when facts are available we can stick to them and let the inaccurate interpretations away. If you want to see my ‘sources’ you have my e-mail just send me a mail and I will connect you with a History Professor who can make available his history documents to you (in fact they are available in every History faculty in the most of Russian universities).
I just want to add something about NCBI. My company is tunneling money toward this organization and its various contributors in order to push certain regulators to allow a dubious drug to be marketed. This is like -10 in my credibility list :D. By the way you will be madden if you knew how these organizations works. Lets say that the american senate has more credibility (I know this is hilarious but the analogy is good).
I am still waiting for you to present some sources that are based on modern scientific research.
I provided you with the links to contemporary genetic research and data contributed by tens of thousands of scientists and hundreds of Universities from all over the world.
I am willing to consider your theory if you give me sources based on scientific research conducted by the known scientists and Universities. If your “Viking” teary is true, it should have been proven already.
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Dear Scott, in your place, I would not press on this issue, which does back to ancient times, it is totally senseless. I tell you why : as I told previously, my ancestors are from different nationalities so, I can argue that I’m German, the Germans were laughing in my face, I can argue that I’m Hungarian, the same thing, I can argue that I’m Romanian, the same thing, I can argue that I’m Armenian, the same result. Now, who I am ? “A mixture of a finest” – said my grandfather. This would be the new ideology by the way for Russia if she wants to live with the real role she has now in the world and the real sympathy which she enjoys. The new light should be based on this.
Hi there,
so I have enclosed some links where you can see hard scientific proof that Russians are not 100% Slavs. If you go trough all the data you will see that all researchers agree that there were 2 major event of genetic drifts (this is the introduction of new genes into a relatively closed genetic pool). And only after the second event the Slavic genes were introduced in mass to the pool. Given the dynamics of genetic inheritance after the second drift Russ’s genomes started to change in favor of the Slavic genes (this is called gene penetration) but the Finish gene sequences still can be find in today’s Russians. This is very evident if you chart the gene sequences by region, even the inhabitants of the furthest from north Russian regions still express ( I talk for genetic expression) some Urgic-Finish gene sequences (this vary from about 3% to 22%). This is the part with the science facts (as you see there are a lot of research and scientific papers out there).
Now let’s talk about historical documents. The most relevant to the theme document is the 911 Byzantine trade treaty with Kiev Russ. This treaty was singed by the Byzantine Emperor Leo IV and by the Russ convoys – Karl, Ingjald, Farulf, Vermund, Hrollaf, Gunnar, Harold, Kami, Frithleif, Hroarr, Angantyr, Throand, Leithulf, Fast, and Steinvith (as you can see these are very exclusive Slavic names, except they are not).
If you dedicate some time and try to research by yourself you will find even more documents, research papers, historical treaties and chronicles. My point of you on this theme is that modern ethnoses are not homogenous and they are result of genetic drifts and mixing between distinct tribes (distinct in genetic terms). From genetic point of view this is very good because a static genetic inheritance tend to mutate (in a bad way) when not supplement with new genes. I don’t agree with your point of view because it is tuned to the needs of our time and this way you are trying to make a political point by introducing only one side of the coin (i.e. you are obfuscating the rest of the information). I don’t like this approach because history is full of atrocities which were facilitated by such opinions. We are not fit to draw lines between people and categorize them by percentage of their DNA markers. We as people has lived enough in such divided world and have had enough of the consequences tunneled trough such ‘heritage’ dogmas. Look, history is a bitch but is rather potent in showing possible mistakes in our present. I don’t think that we as people have the right to round people and people’s opinions around a banner which is intrinsically linked to origin and genes. Every such attempt has led to rivers of blood in which elites has baptized their societal monstrosities and innocent people have been suffering in this constructs. I don’t want the so called new world order to be more of the same. I want to see no more dividing lines between peoples and nations.
Ioan is pretty right in his post. I think that Russian should stand high in the moral and ethic ground and accept and treat equally all people thus way sending a powerful massage to the whole world. It is stupid mistake trying to play the ‘blood’ card when the goal is world geopolitical realignment. The future will be build by us, our blood, our sweat and our desire for better and fairer future and not by historical reasons and ‘bloodlines’. This is what I am thinking. Maybe I am a little bit too much of idealist or my interpretations are not in the ‘spirit’ of the site but this is my opinion.
http://science.sciencemag.org/content/343/6172/747.abstract
http://www.nature.com/news/2010/101215/full/468880a/box/1.html
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10069400
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22520580
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2253976/
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ajpa.21649/abstract
http://www.zgms.cm.umk.pl/prace/261-283.pdf
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12500679
http://www.historyworld.net/wrldhis/PlainTextHistories.asp?historyid=ac14
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primary_Chronicle
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Kievan-Rus
P.S. I do very like this site and I am trying to contribute as much as I can to the team. I came 2 years ago to this page because of the fact based analysis which provides. But please guys don’t fall to this pit named ‘historical assessment based on ‘scientific’ facts’.
Good luck
It’s G not Anon :)
What is the NCBI.?
Interesting article on fortruss today…is Lukashenko repeating the mistakes of Yanokovich ie how much does Bealarus need to re indentify with russian culture ideology etc at risk of coming under pressures particularly at time of nato conference…..over the last few months defintely have been western “influences” at work……Putin saying to Finland if you would have a referendum brexit style on whether to join nato what do you think the result would be considering rus response could be……if Finland had a referendum(cannot see nato permitting that though) would that be the start of “eu” countries leaving nato halting its consolidation, or as baltic and visegrad countries are quite concerned about losing funds from eu as a fall out from brexit ,they need nato presence to keep economies going yet would be liable to the 2% contributions they “must” make…..conundrums folks.Btw following earlier post ukrainians not happy with extra border security by poland during period of warsaw conference.
Czech President says will have two referendums, for eu AND nato,
The teenagers in the vid dont want to sing. Some even look away from the cam and seem to feel uneasy.
It’s interesting to me that NATO is gathering near Lvov. I suppose it’s always nice to be among friends. They don’t even try to hide it anymore. The list of countries shows who you cannot trust.
While our German “friends” want to punish the Portuguese for the sin of a 3,1% deficit (0,1% over the limit) the Portuguese forces in Lituania gladly provided them the pretext (of the 0,1% excess deficit) by projecting a force comprised of ground troops and F16 fighter planes, together with all the logistics, pilots and ground support.
Meanwhile, our generals are whispering protests (only in portuguese…) for the fact that what forces are left in Portugal are not enough to defend the country against a (certainly possible) incursion of the takfiris across the Gibraltar Straits.
I think that if Portugal and Spain were to be punished by the German elites (for not being the perfect debt-slaves that they want us to be) we should remove all of our forces from the “eastern flank” and place them in the Iberian Peninsula, where they are really needed to defend from future incursions of the takfiris. On that, we are not to expect any help from our German “friends”.
As reported few days ago head of Rus Baltic fleet was dismissed by Shoigu for poor exercises…..russia insider carrying article today with extensive details 50 top people fired as huge purge hits the baltic fleet………
The situation of NATO war games in Poland seems odd to me. On the one hand, the new Polish government is standing against attempts by the EU and the USA to impose their socially liberal policies of unrestricted abortion, homosexuality, transgenderism, mass migration, and militant secularism on the Polish people, yet on the other hand is allowing the EU and USA to occupy their frontier areas with their military machinery and personnel and goad Russia.
It appears to me a strange contradiction. Why is the Polish government doing this? Can anyone explain it?
Sam, it’s not really a contradiction, if you consider the role of Catholic Church in Poland. The party PiS (Law and Justice) which formed the new government in Poland, is a conservative party and owes its election success mostly to the influence of the Catholic Church. (The other reason of the victory of PiS was their promise of monthly benefit 500 zl,, i.e. ca $125, for every child except the first. The birthrate in Poland is now very low).
Polish Church, formerly meek and tolerant, underwent a strange evolution after 1989. It occupied quickly the vacuum, which remained after the dissolution of the ruling communist party. The Church is now strictly against liberal policies, especially against abortion, against in vitro, even against contraception, perceived as sin. And under the influence of Church the penal code is being systematically changed.
Besides, for the ruling party PiS and for the Polish government the EU and NATO are not identical. For PiS only the influence of EU is harmful, because of its liberal policies. It’s not so with the United States. PiS simply adores the USA, for instance the death punishment. And, by the way, the liberal policies there are sometimes also endangered, e.g. the disappearance of abortion clinics in several states – don’t you think?
And speaking of NATO and Ukraine, Canada’s Justin Trudeau, appears to be carrying on ex PM Stephen Harper’s support for both. Trudeau will be visiting Ukraine immediately after the NATO summit ends.
Canadian-Led-Battle Group Will Deploy to Latvia, Part of NATO move to Deter Russia
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-nato-baltic-troops-1.3669952