This article was written for the Unz Review: http://www.unz.com/tsaker/what-are-the-ukronazis-up-to-in-crimea/
First, it appeared to be a fluke: this summer the Ukronazi regime sent a small terrorist unit into Crimea tasked with blowing up several targets in the Crimea (see here for details). They were arrested by the Russian security services. In November, another two saboteurs were caught by the FSB (see here). And now something really remarkable happened. The Ukronazi security service kidnapped two Russian citizens in broad daylight and accused them of being “deserters”. Turns out that the two kidnapped men are Maksim Odintsov and Alexander Baranov and that both of them are junior servicemen in the Russian military (ensign and junior sergeant). Apparently, what happened is this: Odintsov and Baranov used to serve in the Ukrainian military (at least that is what the SBU claims), but when Crimea, from where Odintsov and Baranov are, returned to Russia they did what tens of thousands of other Ukrainian servicemen did – they joined the Russian military. The two were lured to the neutral zone between Crimea and the Ukraine by men who promised them that they could give them diplomas proving that they had a higher education from Ukrainian institutions. You can watch this video to see what actually happened next (no translation needed):
The video also shows one of the two men, with a superb shiner on his face, admitting that he had served in the Ukrainian military and that he is guilty of treason. What is remarkable here is that the Ukronazis kidnapped these two men in broad daylight in an location which was clearly under video monitoring, and that they then showed one of the hostages with a clear sign of the beating he received. No matter how incompetent the SBU is, they are not so incompetent as to not to realize the fantastically provocative nature of their actions. This was an absolutely deliberate provocation whose goal was to get some kind of Russian reaction, either in Crimea or somewhere else.
What were they really hoping for?
Probably for some kind of Russian reaction which would reach across the border: some kind of attack on the Ukrainian border post, or maybe an artillery strike. Maybe even an attempt to free the two men, or even a retaliatory counter-kidnapping. What they knew is that any Russian reaction across the border would have been met by a hysterical chorus of outrage from the western political leaders and their corporate media.
For the time being, the (hideously slowly clumsy and poorly updated) website of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs had nothing to say. The (marginally better) website of the President of Russia offered this reaction:
Question: Mr President, I want to clarify the situation with the Russian military service personnel detained by the Ukrainians. What measures are you taking?
Vladimir Putin: I cannot say anything about these measures yet and can say only what we know at present, which is that these military servicemen formerly served in the Ukrainian armed forces and, after Crimea’s reunification with Russia, decided to serve in the Russian armed forces.
In this respect, let me say first of all that we have always had great respect for and trust in Ukrainian military service personnel, and therefore proposed that they continue their service in our ranks.
Second, they wanted to obtain confirmation of education at one of Ukraine’s higher education establishments, and this was why they went to the border. They were lured a few metres further and detained.
I think this kind of treachery will ultimately turn against those who carry out such acts. This is the same kind of thing as switching off the power supply to Crimea in winter and just before New Year. If people in Ukraine think they can win Crimea residents’ sympathy this way, this amounts to an attack using inappropriate means, to use legal language.
In other words: other than issuing a verbal condemnation, Russia will not react in any dramatic manner. This is, of course, the correct decision, especially now that Trump is hopefully going to replace the Neocons with some patriotically minded and mentally sane officials. But there is also an inherent risk in this Russian stance: it invites the Ukronazis to further escalate their provocations.
Consider this: while the junta in Kiev has been constantly shelling the Donbass, the Kremlin did nothing to stop it. When top Novorussian officials, such as Motorola, were murdered by somebody hired by the junta, the Russians again did nothing. Nor did the Moscow retaliate when the Ukronazis sent saboteurs into Crimea. What I fear is that next the Ukronazis will combine these two provocations into one and attack Crimea directly, either by lobbing a mortar shell directly across the border or even with an artillery attack upon a town in northern Crimea.
While from a military point of view a Russian response is a no-brainer, from the political point of view this might be much harder. Imagine this:
The SBU hides one single artillery piece in a town just north of the Crimean-Ukrainian border and then begins to shell, at night, of course, Russian military positions or town, in northern Crimea. Several Russian soldiers or civilians are killed, more are wounded. The Russian counter-battery radars will immediately an easily detect the location from which these attacks came, but we all know since the MH-17 that Russian radar recordings are considered worthless by the western corporate media. And if the Russian counter-strike hits a town, this will be presented as yet another aggression against the “sovereign and free Ukraine”. The Russians all remember how in 08.08.08 it was Russia, not Georgia, which was declared the aggressor and how when months later the investigative committees of the EU declared that, well, no, it was actually the Georgians who attacked the Russian peacekeepers nobody in the West paid any attention to this. The reality is that the otherwise weak, militarily incompetent, Ukraine holds the “escalation dominance” over Russia, especially in Crimea. Yes, on every rung of the escalatory ladder Russia is vastly more capable and powerful than the Ukraine, but it is the Ukraine which can chose on which rung of the escalatory ladder it choses to engage Russia. Sounds paradoxical?
That is because, as I have been repeating for years now, the purpose of the regime in Kiev is not to win an unwinnable conflict against Russia, but only to draw Russia into the Ukraine. Russia should have escalation dominance over the Ukraine, but in reality it is Ukraine which will get to chose at which rung of the escalation ladder Russia will be forced to react. This is a typical case where “the action is in the reaction”.
And let’s be honest, with the US Neocons out of power very soon, at least temporarily, the junta in Kiev has absolutely nothing to lose from a direct, blatant, attack on Russia. Think of it: the EU and NATO leaders in Europe are absolutely horrified by the Trump victory and they are desperate for a crisis, any crisis, which would give them a meaning, a sense of purpose, a justification before the European public opinion. As for the Americans, Trump will only become President on January 20th, that leaves them enough time to react to any crisis, even an artificial one, in such a manner as to preempt any attempts by the new administration to improve relations with Russia.
Sure looks to me like the Neocons, the EU/NATO comprador elites and the Ukronazis in Kiev all have exactly the same interests: trigger a crisis before Trump is sworn in.
In the meantime, the Minister of Culture of the Ukraine has declared that the people of the Donbass a “genetically unfit” to accept the Ukrainian culture (does anybody still wonder why I call this regime “Ukronazi” and not “Ukrainian”?) while the European Parliament has declared that the EU is in a state of “informational war” with Russia and that the EU needs to “respond” to the Russian attack.
As for Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia are all preparing for an imminent Russian invasion. As for the Poles, they are busy exhuming the body of Lech Kaczynski in the hope to prove that Russian shot down his aircraft in 2010.
The next couple of months will be very dangerous indeed.
The Saker
PS: Just when I was about to post this article, I saw this on RT: Kiev to hold missile-firing exercise over Crimea. This confirms, alas, the morbid drive of the Ukronazis to get some kind of provocation going in Crimea.
Apparently Ukraine has now decided to shoot missiles over Crimea.
“Kiev to hold missile-firing exercise over Crimea, where civil aviation performs flights – Moscow ”
https://www.rt.com/news/368181-ukraine-crimea-firing-exercise/
Maybe they are hoping to rerun their shootdown of Siberian Airlines 1812 – hit by an S-300 that missed its target an locked on to the civilian airliner.
What makes you think that they were aiming at anything but civilian aviation.
Nasty but true.
So I interpret this situation and article to mean, that the current Ukrainian regime, has two months to start trouble with Russia, that might save itself and even save the elite handlers in the west. And if it fails to do this, once Trump is in, the Ukrainian regime is toast.
But, all Russia needs to do, not to fall into the Ukrainian/globalist trap. Is to not retaliate, whatever Ukraine does. And this actually not so hard. All Russia needs to do is record, collect and save the data about the provocations. And instead of using violence in return, just use international legal means. Of course the provcations will not go unpunished, but, they will be used against the Ukrainian regime when the time is right. I assume once Trump gets into power, he will begin a massive reorganisation of USA media. A few months into his presidency, after this might be the time for Russia to strike back at Ukraine. Legally or military – or both.
Some will say that it shames Russia not to strike back at Ukraine instantly, and while in some sense this is true, in another sense, it is Ukraine that is shamed by its own actions, and Russia that gains moral and political advantage by not retaliating. Ukraine comes off as a crazy state and Russia and endlessly patience and peaceful.
If Ukraine for example shoots down a Russian civilian airliner over Crimea. Then instead of Russia bombarding and destroying every Ukrainian military facility in the region as a response. Russia just denounces Ukraine, calls for the international community to rein in this mad dog, and calls for international investigator to go to the scene and collect evidence.
Internationally, even with the total control of PC-fascist media over the west, Ukraine will look like a crazed state, and Russia will look like most peaceful and patient state on earth.
In such a way, every Ukrainian provocation, works against Ukraine, as long as Russia does not relate.
I think the problem with this endless patience is that Russia will be condemned regardless of whether it reacts or not. And as for international inspectors… They will find what they are told to find (by washington), and even if they find it was the fault of the Ukranians, this information will never make it to the MSM and their puppet politicians.
Nah, not all international organisations are like that, ICRC for example says that Donbass is a civil war. And that is like the only international organisation that really has any legal power. Organisations such as ICC has no power because nobody has signed up for them, execpt small countries.
“Whether or not to declare Russia a party to the conflict is the domain of the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC), which is the guardian of the Geneva Conventions setting down the rules of war, and considered a reference in the United Nations. Last July it declared the war to be a civil war, a “non-international armed conflict”.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-ukraine-crisis-un-idUSKBN0OH2SK20150601
Well, I didn’t say Russia needed endless patience, just a few months of until Trump becomes president, and preferably until he becomes a bit used to it and preferably also has cleaned up the USA media so the truth will be reported. I dont know how he will clean up the media, I mean I dont know what sort of powers a president has over media, but at the minimum he could declare twitter, youtube, facebook and so forth to be “public forums” and thus need to respect freedom of speech, and thus end the leftist purge of pro-russians from these forums and allow information to flow freely. I am just waiting to see twitter/facebook ban RT for “propaganda” or “Fake new”.
Yes, but despite declaring the Ukranian conflict as a civil war, has this stopped everyone blaming and punishing Russia over their involvment? Where were the headlines declaring that Russia was not invloved? As for having a legal standing? Does this matter to the western powers? I think not. UN is nothing but a joke.
Everyone does not blame Russia for the conflict, only PC-fascists and their clients. And most of those government, including USA, is right now being overthrown by various pro-Russian groups, such as Trump, Marine Le Pen, and so forth.
Russia is only being punished by USA and her clients, not by ICRC, and the only reason that is allowed to happen is that Russia has allowed itself to become dependent on USA and her clients.
To characterize ‘those governments’ as ‘pro-Russian’ is to flirt dangerously with the absurd.
They are actually pro-their-own-real-interests, which is a welcome change from the norm – vassalage to the Anglo-Zionist Empire.
The latest Zionist mantra, is to divide the world into ‘pro-Russian’ and… what exactly? Crickets.
Do you really want to play that nasty game?
Not really, wanting to lift sanctions, recognized Crimea, abolish or limit NATO, leave EU. Form economic and military unions with Russia instead of USA, praising Russia as something to strive for. That sounds pretty objectively pro-Russian.
Pro-Russian basically means anti-globalist.
Anti-Russian basically means globalist.
Thank you for clarifying that for me. Do you not think that one can be anti-globalist without being Pro-Russian. And vice-versa. I think your term is imprecise and I still fear that using that criteria to judge a nation, or a person to the exclusion of so many other criteria, such as self-interest, may be to play into the hands of the Empire.
Well, one can be anything one likes, and there are generally exceptions of course, but pro-russian anti-globalist is very consistant. I can’t see any party or figure that is pro-Russian and also pro-globalism. FN, UKIP, PVV, SD, Afd, NPD, GD, FvP, Trump. All are pro-russian and anti-globalist.
At the same time all mainstream parties in the west, Hillary Clinton are all anti-Russian and pro-globalist, as are liberals as are neocons.
The closest thing to anti-Russian and anti-globalist I can see are the eastern European states. Like the baltic and Poland, these states are all fanatically anti-Russian, and while they are pro-USA/EU/NATO, they at the same time are hostile to globalist ideology, and wont allow muslim immigration or any immigration or any degradation of their culture, like the west has been degraded with queery theory and gay pride and all that…
So while the Poland and the baltics are anti-globalist they at the same time suck up to the globalist as much as possible, of course, eventually they will have to decided which side they want to be on.. And I believe already Poland has decided when it elected PiS and banned immigration and declare an end to “multiculti” propaganda in their media.
The only way for Poland and the baltic to maintain their traditionalist anti-globalist ideology is to side with Russia. Yet they hate Russia.. So the Poland and baltics are a bit of exception to the rule, utterly confused nations. EU has even begun to say that “Poland is undemocratic” and such. Which of course is the standard meme used whenever someone does something anti-globalist.
“Poland Is Testing the EU’s Commitment to Democracy”
http://origin-www.bloombergview.com/articles/2016-05-23/poland-is-testing-the-eu-s-commitment-to-democracy
Wondering if this latest ‘Anonymous’ judging by language that to be ‘anti-Russian’ = globalist is a visitor from PropOrNot.com, a site which black lists the Saker in fairly good company as to the most effective ‘Russian propaganda’ sites including ZeroHedge which is easily in the top 450 news aggregator sites in America. Oh and Drudge Report which is no 1 also spreads Rooskie propaganda, notwithstanding the negative articles about Putin and the awesome threat Russia poses to NATO he links to there. If you show Russia as powerful you’re spreading Rooskie propaganda, if you show Russia as too weak to seriously invade or occupy a bunch of NATO countries, that’s also Rooskie propaganda. You cannot win with these crazies.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-25/washington-post-names-drudge-zero-hedge-anti-clinton-sophisticated-russian-propagand
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/russian-propaganda-effort-helped-spread-fake-news-during-election-experts-say/2016/11/24/793903b6-8a40-4ca9-b712-716af66098fe_story.html?postshare=9291480039100538&tid=ss_tw
https://twitter.com/El_Grillo1/status/802245331228364801
If you’re reading this Larchmonter444 send me an email at my unseen.is account I’ve misplaced your email.
Seriously,a President in the US has almost “no” power to control a media that hates him.As long as he is doing something the “elite” want him to do,the media can be controlled. But the neo-cons have so much power in the “deep state”,and the zionist owned media. That the next four years is almost guaranteed to be one anti-Trump story after the other in the MSM.They are no more quieted after the defeat they suffered a few weeks ago, then they were before the election.And I expect nothing to change from them.As to Trump’s relations with Russia. The “jury” is very much still out on that. Certainly he wants to have good relations. But the Congress and neo-cons of both parties are going to “fight to the death” against that. There is almost zero chance that he can officially “just” cut loose Ukraine. The Republican neocons,in league with the Democrat neo-cons would crucify him over that.Its going to take many,many,small steps to get that done. And we aren’t talking two months or so. But two years or more.All the time the Ukrainians doing everything they can to stop it. It is “possible”,for him to do a “Nixon to China” with Russia. But highly unlikely. At that time Nixon was still firmly in control.Trump has almost (so far) no control over the elite establishment.Nixon was able to shove his new China policy down the throats of Congress.I don’t see Trump being able to do that,at least not for a long while.He would have much more ability to get an arrangement over Syria. Where there is a lot of dislike of the US Syria policy.Ukraine is a whole different ballgame.Most people (and all the neo-cons) refuse to see the nazis there. To them its all “plucky little Ukraine” (corrupt yes,but still plucky) defending themselves against the “new Hitler”.We here that know the truth (and care about it),are very much a minority of the US population.
I think that the best strategy from Trump is to pursue his own agenda. He was the person the US voted for, not the Republican party. If he tries to appease the party, that will water down his policies and he will loose the support he has gained during the campaign trail.
I personally think a lot will depend on his pick for Secretary of State. This will be a clear message that he either gave in to the party or is going to force his own path…..
I would like to see him pursue a Fortress America agenda.
Lets not forget Israel/Palestine, the main focus of neocon obsessions. Trump is firmly pro-Israel, and that will be the root of misdirection.
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20161121-what-should-palestinians-expect-can-trump-be-any-worse/
As much as Trump is a natural charismatic leader, he’s only going to be as effective as the team he’s allowed to put together. If Trump makes it past the Electoral College vote in December.
Nixon may have been the last President to govern as an individual somewhat in charge of things.
Hmmm,remind me never to have someone with that thinking in the trench next to me.I’d want a combat buddy that I could depend on to “have my six”. Not one worrying about the Western “perception” ,if he shot the guy looking to stick a knife in my throat.This all boils down to the age old argument of “turn the other cheek”. How many cases can anyone quote in history where that has been a “workable” plan. I’m sure there “may” be one or two. But at the moment I really can’t think of any.
If you had a leader that thought like that, you wouldn’t end up in a trench, because there would be no war, at least not on the enemies terms.
It has nothing to do with turning the other cheek. It has more to do with binding your time. Waiting for the right moment, not stick your head in the trap the enemy has been layn for you.
True,you might be rotting away in the cellar torture chamber of the SBU,instead.
True, the individual could end up in a SBU celler, but millions will not be slaughtered at the front lines fighting a war on the enemies terms.
Millions of starved children will not walk the street as zombies because there is no food and their parents are dead.
Tens of millions of families won’t be boiled in thermonuclear fire because a war was started at the wrong time.
@ Parachuted Anonymous
“If Ukraine for example shoots down a Russian civilian airliner over Crimea. Then instead of Russia bombarding and destroying every Ukrainian military facility in the region as a response. Russia just denounces Ukraine, calls for the international community to rein in this mad dog, and calls for international investigator to go to the scene and collect evidence.”
Your sudden appearance among the Saker’s Old Guard has a hint of deja vue about it from the tenor of your narrative.
As for your example, we have been there, done that, and Russia is vilified and sanctioned everyday ’til the cows come home. OK, the plane was not Russian, nor did it fall on Crimea, just a few kilometres up the road on the Donbass, and all Russia has to do is to let the “international community” be the prosecutor, judge, executor and bloviator!!! Are you real? Unless…
Yes, well said. Putin’s Russia is doing exactly the right thing by being the reasonableness itself. The clowns running the West are gradually losing all credibility, same goes for its so-called ‘intellectuals’ (even Engdahl just made a complete fool of himself, in my opinion). Well, at least there is The Saker’s site, Dugin, Roberts (or Alex Jones/David Knight’s Infowars). The idiotic clowns/psychopaths (e.g. EU) can’t fool people any longer, and increasingly lose all credibility. It is inevitable. Without it, they’re nothing, it’s that simple.
It is true that Ukraine has the position of escalation dominance, but I have a lot faith in the Russian president and the Russian security services.
The Ukranians are doing all they can to try and provoke Russia using very basic tactics. If there is one thing I have learned over the past few years, the Russians ALWAYS do the unexpected.
The dangerous thing for Ukraine is that Russia has been condemned and punished already for something which it has not done. Has this actually broken Russia? No. In fact it made it stronger. The sanctions have helped Russia to become more self sufficient in terms of food production and their military is going from strength to strength.
So the question is….. If your hypothetical situation came to pass….
Ukraine fires artillery into Crimea and Russia returns fire (which according to western press destroys an entire hospital full of nuns and blind, handicapped orphans who were writing letters to Santa). What else? What else will they do? Just scream and rant. But they cannot do anything physically. Even if Russia invaded Ukraine with all of its military might, still the west cannot do anything. This is the stupidity of it all.
So from my perspective, Yes, Ukraine can start the provocations, but if they truly think the west will run in and save them……. they are living in cuckoo land (which we know they are)
“So from my perspective, Yes, Ukraine can start the provocations, but if they truly think the west will run in and save them……. they are living in cuckoo land ”
Well, you are right that the west wont protect Ukraine military, but they will protect the Ukrainian elites. The moment a conflict starts off between Russia and Ukraine, the Ukrainian elites will flee to the west.
If Russia could make it very well known that the first that will die in a conflict with Russia are the oligarchs and politicans in Ukraine, there would probably be no provocation. The Ukrainian elites has no problem risking Ukrainian soldiers lifes trying to piss Russia off, but if it was their lifes on the line, they would not do anything to anger Russia.
I bet the Ukrainian elites are like tense cats right now, ready, at any moment, to rush to a plane and fly off to the west to live there in wealth and sporadically emerge to “condemns Russian aggression” or such
If this were the case, and the West could do nothing against the Russian escalation, why provoke Russia in the first place?
I believe NATO would rush in to protect their ukie nazi babies.
Otherwise, why would Russia be so determined not to be drawn in the conflict?
Because doing so would lead to sanctions against Russia that would crush her economy into the dust, it would also ruin Russian ties with EU for a generation, give NATO a reason for existing, and enough propaganda to absorb the European countries that are currently not in NATO. And trigger EU to find gas and oil elsewhere and buying USA LNG.
Also what would Russia do in Ukraine? Occupy it? Ukraine is a third-world country, it would cost a fortune to bring it up to Russian standards, and there lives 40 million people in Ukraine, would Russia try to maintain an occupation of Ukraine while feeding 40 million people and fighting a constant NATO backed insurgency while sanctions are grinding the Russian economy to dust, with anti-Russian propaganda hammering in every western and indeed every country the west has any propaganda foothold in the world about “Russian atrocities” in Ukraine day after day after day after week after week, after year, after year, after decade after decade. An impossible scenario.
So why would Russia invade? To depose the current regime? What would be the point? The Ukrainian people are anti-Russian now, they would just elect an new anti-Russian government.
There is just no way out for Russia except for Ukraine to fulfill the Minsk 2 agreement.
”Because doing so would lead to sanctions against Russia that would crush her economy into the dust, it would also ruin Russian ties with EU for a generation, give NATO a reason for existing, and enough propaganda to absorb the European countries that are currently not in NATO. And trigger EU to find gas and oil elsewhere and buying USA LNG”
But all this is already happening anyway. Sanctions are just as likely – and so an extent are – hurting western european countries already. Remember Iran weathered sanctions for 10 years and little Coba for 50 years. I would say that the EU needs Russia more than Russia needs the EU. NATO doesn’t need a reason for existing other than being an offensive intervention force looking for trouble anywhere but the North Atlantic. US gas and oil would take years to develop and come on stream.
A powerful Eurasian bloc – the Shanghai Corporation – is developing in the East with both military and economic power, which is formidable enough to see off any Anglo-zionist threat.
BTW which Euro countries are not in NATO? Other than the ones who are due to join anyway, Finland and Sweden? Ireland, Switzerland, Austria, Monte Carlo and Andorra perhaps?
Not really, very few of those things are happening, and the things that are happening are in its mildest form.
There are no economy crushing sanctions on the Russian economy, quite the opposite the sanctions are rather mild, Russian ties with EU are not destroyed for a generation, quite the opposite, it seems unlikely that EU will be able to maintain the sanctions for much longer, the situation has been seized on by NATO to justify its existence that is true, but not enough for any new European countries to join, and EU are not looking for gas elsewhere to any large extent, quite the opposite, the Nord stream 2 is about to start construction.
So things now are looking rather positive right now. Time is on Russia’s side.
Russia is not Iran or Cuba, Russia is much more connected to EU then those countries. And even if it wasnt, it is not in Russia interests to live in poverty for 50 years.
I dont think that is true, EU USA and her clients are the backbone of the world economy, they could cut of Russia and survive but Russia would fall back into the stone age economically. That said Russia is very important for EU, because it has gas and oil and raw materials and a large educated labor pool. EU and Russia complement each other very well, which is also why USA wants to keep them apart. If EU and Russia shared their resources, they would become a powerblock powerful enough to challenge USA.
Shanghai Corporation is not a military alliance, China wont intervene if Russia is attacked and Russia wont intervene if China is attacked nor if any other memberis attacked, and their economies, culture, demograpics and longterm interests are mismatched. The biggest economies in SCO are Russia and China, and while they connect to eachother, Russia economy is focused in the west of the country towards EU, which is a world away from China, most if Rusia industries and population and infrastructure is in the west of the country, the east is very underdeveloped, same with China, her industries and population centers are at the coast. Not bordering Russia. Russia couldn’t even sell gas to China from Caucasus because it would be too expensive to move. The only thing that unites China and Russia is the common threat posed by NATO. But economically, culturally, demograpically, historically, there is nothing they share.
The ones you mention are not in NATO and none of those are due to join. Unless Russia invades Ukraine of course, then many of them will probably join, Finland and Sweden at the very least.
https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-d5a594f9461f8b7a1b81a6f0040d61fe?convert_to_webp=true
Sometimes,its unavoidable to do what you need to do no matter anything else.Who thinks that Russia will get any credit in the West by holding back and not defending themselves. I’m not one of those few.But on the other hand. Who doesn’t think that you lose credibility when you don’t defend yourself. I’m very much one of those millions.Something like 80% of the “Ukrainian” military stationed in Crimea,decided to stay on as Russians.The way the Ukrainian military was set up then (local recruitment) the majority of those men were probably Crimeans anyway. Or in other cases married to Crimean women. When they made that choice,they became “Russian” soldiers. Which I’m sure in their minds meant they were the same as any Russian soldier from Pskov,Rostov,Moscow,etc.Today, by not taking action to rescue those soldiers.The others must be asking themselves,”are” we really considered the same.Would Russia have reacted if the kidnapped soldiers would have been from Moscow.Are we considered “second class” and expendable now. That is a very bad move to let your soldiers believe their leadership cares nothing for them.Even in the ancient World,that was a “kiss of death” for a government.In the modern World with much better communications,its even worse.
Now,we hear of the proposed firing of missiles over Crimean territory.As I recall when Russia fired missiles at terrorists in Syria from the Caspian Sea. They asked “permission” of Iran,for those missiles to cross their territory.They knew it would be a violation of international law (and a war act) not to have that permission.Now Ukraine doesn’t even “ask” Russia for permission. But just intends to fire missiles over Crimean territory anyway.Probably in the “official” thinking of the West. Since Crimea is “Ukrainian” territory.Then Ukraine can do what they want on their territory.That is insane thinking. But that doesn’t matter,its the way they think.So Russia (I’ve said this at least a thousand times) needs to “stop” worrying about insane Western propaganda reactions and start doing the hard work of defending themselves and their people.The stage was set by Donbass. Where the Ukrainans can kill and bomb at their leasure.Without any action being taken. They now see as Saker said. They can up the stakes in Crimea without any actions being taken against them.
Why on earth would they stop now.No bully (least of all a nazi bully) is going to stop hitting someone that just stands and lets them hit them.RT has even reported a new December meeting thats probably going to be held in Minsk between the Normandy group members.So lets let that “sink in” for a minute. While holding Russian soldiers as hostages,Russia is going to sit down with Ukraine and the Western stooges. Have coffee and lunch with them. As if nothing is happening.While the SBU is busy torturing their soldiers in Ukraine.I’m seriously wondering what the “scuttlebutt” in the barrack room is over that. There is a “popular” saying in the military (not just the US military) “never leave a man behind”.I see two very much left behind there in Crimea.
“So Russia (I’ve said this at least a thousand times) needs to “stop” worrying about insane Western propaganda reactions and start doing the hard work of defending themselves and their people.The stage was set by Donbass… No bully (least of all a nazi bully) is going to stop hitting someone that just stands and lets them hit them.”
Well said, Uncle Bob 1. I share your views completely on this.
Some argue that what seems to be the result of a desperate survival logic among the elite cryptonazi ukie, ie the rocket “practice” and all, may in fact be part of a western/soros conceived countdown to a long planned attack on Russia. In the political sphere things take time to happen, and never happen by accident, or nearly never. Can the ukienazi stratagems have simply arisen just now? That would be a foolish assumption, comrades.
Some submit that we are watching an “automatic” series running countdown to war – on the global stage…a system ignoring the election and determined to press on into the big muddy.
I saw a claim that there is now smallpox in Eastern Europe
From the standpoint of Strategy in Theater it occurs to me that the situation might call for the indirect method. This is doctrinaire, as per L. Hart et al… Anyway, imagine the intelops that could be run in Kiev… A few bucks to suborn certain desired actions in the classical methods for dealing with a siege…and Ukraine is, though they do not see this, in a state of siege right now… They themselves will open their own gates… Just wait and see.
“Reckless daring was held to be loyal courage; prudent delay was the excuse of a coward; moderation was the disguise of unmanly weakness; to know everything was to do nothing.“
Thucydides, the greatest Athenian historian and geopolitics ever.
Crimea changes the Donbass patience paradigm.
Crimea is Russia. Putin cannot use the same strategy of patience. That would equate Crimea with Donbass. The reason he does not go into Ukraine over Donbass is there is no legal cause of war, Donbass is Ukraine.
Attacks against Crimea are attacks against any part of Russia.
Thus, they have called his bluff/patience.
So, he must do what he must do. He must have a cause of war case that is ironclad and worthy of lawful reaction.
When the Ukies meet the requirement, boom!
Not internationally, no country recognize Crimea as Russian, and the ICC recently declared Crimea to be territory belonging to Ukraine but occupied by Russia.
Ukraine could literally attack Crimea and it would count internationally as “self-defence.”
Not many, but Not ‘no country’
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_status_of_Crimea
The following members of the United Nations have made statements about their recognition of the Republic of Crimea and Sevastopol as federal subjects of Russia:
Afghanistan[29]
Cuba[40]
Kyrgyzstan[41]
Nicaragua[32]
North Korea[42]
Russia[28]
Syria[29]
Venezuela[29]
The position of Belarus is vague. It includes comments by Belarusian president Alexander Lukashenko who said “Ukraine should remain an integral, indivisible, non-aligned state” and “As for Crimea, I do not like it when the integrity and independence of a country are broken”, on the one hand, and “Today Crimea is part of the Russian Federation. No matter whether you recognize it or not, the fact remains.” and “Whether Crimea will be recognized as a region of the Russian Federation de-jure does not really matter”, on the other hand.[43]
In addition, 10 countries joined Russia in voting against United Nations General Assembly Resolution 68/262: Armenia, Belarus, Bolivia, Cuba, Nicaragua, North Korea, Sudan, Syria, Venezuela and Zimbabwe.
The following non-members of the United Nations have made statements about their recognition of the Republic of Crimea and Sevastopol as federal subjects of Russia:
Abkhazia[44]
Transnistria[45]
South Ossetia[46]
It doesn’t matter. Crimea is Russia, de facto, and Russia will defend itself. There are even good legal arguments that Ukraine is no longer a legitimate country. Yet, law hardly counts for anything now — the US has seen to that. Ukraine could attack Crimea, and internationally Ukraine’s ashes might be counted as acting in self defense, but so what? Is the EU going to start a nuclear war over it? Over Ukraine?
Putin needs to get in the phone to Trump and get Trump to come out and condemn Ukrainian aggression against Crimea.
That would be a clear signal.
He needs to be constantly on the phone to Trump and not sure back and assume he has Trump’s reflect and allow Porky to weasel his way in there and get Trump’s ear.
I guess we are all supposed to enjoy working out the puzzles of which anon said what to which other anon, pick from any number , there might be nine or ten. I for one am not amused think it is pretty dipshit when a person indulges in such disregard.
The Ukrainians have a long, cold winter ahead of them. May their juvenile fantasies of hell fire, mega explosions and red-hot revenge keep them warm!
in the fullness of time porkie boy will kiss up and be nice to Ivan, and take the medicine. they all will, if they are smart and lucky.
The provocations the orcs are staging, have been staging the last couple of years are right out of the israeli playbook. Just like the war and provocations Georgia ran in 2008 and before, this is an israeli operation against Russia.
If one looks at all the zpc/nwo moves over the last few years, they have come from the parts of the zpc/nwo that israel dominates in the western colonies.
This war is coming to a head now. It is obvious that the zionazis are trying to prepare an all out assault on Russia. Not a hot war, but a cold war on steroids, and this is supposed to go very live in 2017.
The trump victory appears to be a set back for these fascists, though that still remains to be seen. I’m guessing Clinton was supposed to win and these world wide zionazi provocations were for that regime to use immediately on taking office. What the zionazis are doing is pushing ahead with their strategy, regardless. Either to force a trump regime hand, or provide his regime with the “excuses” they will need to do a 180 on their campaign promises, if trump is one of the usual zio-phonys (like stein).
It is clear all these different provocations and attacks on Russia (and to a lesser extent, her friends) are centrally coordinated. The zio-media, the political quislings, the terror attacks and constant provocations. The color revolution tactics going on in the usa.
One thing positive I see is the color revolution being stage in the usa and the concurrent political and zio-gay media hysteria in europe the zionazis are staging. Positive in the sense that these zionazis see a trump regime as undesirable. That zpc/nwo territory wide madness we are seeing can’t be all just for show, israel’s subhumanoids must seriously fear at least some loss of control once January comes around.
The Russians (and friends) are fully aware what the zionazis are up to, and are waiting them out. If trump proves out to have independence from this neocon-neolib zio-freakshow, it will likely reinforce other independents in Europe and the rest of the zpc/nwo dominated sphere. This will see a major positive shift in western nations.
I agree completely, and very well stated. The scale of things is as large as you say, I think.
It does seem as if Russia gains all of Europe through its restraint in Ukraine. All of the world, really, that can break free of the slavery.
Grieved, thanks and cheers.
Thanks Saker. I can only add that a reserve officer in Crimea was arrested on suspicion he had passed secret information to the Ukies.
Has anyone heard from JJ lately?
I haven’t see him, but he might be coming – I hope so – because this week Poroshenko had a visit to Bruxelles, making group pictures with Tusk, Schultz and Junker. Then he said : ” we have very powerful and influential friends in the US Congress and Senate and they will always support us “. Is there any connection with these happenings ? Maybe he wants to force the hand of the EU before the supposed new meeting in Normandy format ?
Tusk, Schultz, Junker – could worse names be imagined for Fourth Reich ‘personalities’?
They say the demons always leave a ‘tell’ of their true nature, as a sort of ‘Mark of Cain’ imposed on them by God.
When your enemy can control your actions and trigger them at will, your enemy then controls you. It is as simple as that
Surely Russia has the means for some kind of covert under the radar reaction. As in mid or higher level pravy sector goon having a most unfortunate accident or something. It should be against the kind of person who has some power in the regime, but not the kind of person that the media can make into a martyr. Preferably someone with a bunch of Facebook pics of himself in a gestapo uniform or something.
Avoiding an overt response is definitely the correct thing to do for the next several months. But it is also important to let the Ukronazis know there is a price to pay.
The Zionist Masked Media could even turn that non-entity Nemtsov into a hero for their zombie readers.
Not to mention that they almost deified Hillary without even awaiting her death, may Allah bring it soon.
This would be a good time to shut off the gas for a while. And, of course, shoot down any missiles fired into Russian territory.
That may be exactly the kind of ‘test’ the CIA-ZIO-USSD is planning. To see what Russia can shoot down.
Remember KAL 007. I would preempt the batteries before they get comfortable.
Anything could happen under cover of Ukropistanic psychopathy.
I think it’s clear they can shoot down whatever comes at them (but it wouldn’t be cheap — those anti-missiles are costly). I would refrain from using the new electronic weapons, however, not to divulge much information about them.
A non-military response, other then self-defense against flying objects, is preferable, and will damage those responsible more than the grunts on the ground. If EU gets a little chilly, so much the better to motivate them to rethink their positions. Any Ukrainians who get cold can maybe just spend the winter is Europe — 3 months visa-free.
Gas cannot be cut off while Nord Stream 2 and Turk Stream are not completed. Shutting off gas before would shut of gas to the customers beyond Ukraine, and would make Russia look like an unreliable partner, and that would encourge EU to seek gas elsewhere and begin to buy expensive LNG from USA.
EU is a reliable partner for Russia?! US for EU? Look at what they’ve been doing!
Let the EU try to find expensive LNG — and pay for it with their teetering economy, and answer to the people why, and why their fearless leaders are still supporting the US empire and Ukraine. Russia can afford a pause in gas delivery a lot better then the EU can, and even more so than Ukraine can. This is a much better way to confront and resolve the issues than military response, which is shaping up to be the only alternative, and that in the near future as the neocon’s press for conflict escalates.
Further on down the line, it will still be cheaper and more reliable to buy gas from Russia, though new pipelines, than LNG from far away, as well as all the other problems and dangers LNG presents.
An evil empire must be made to pay the costs of what they do.
There are plenty of other places to get oil and gas, then Russia, expensive USA LNG is one, but more realistic the middle east. EU is not buying gas and oil from Russia because Russia is the only source, but because the infrastucture is already there and Russia can supply it at the best price. But if Russia start to cut of gas and oil, naturally this would give a voice to all pro-USA people in EU that want to drop Russia can and invest in gas from other regions.
The Gas/Oil market in EU is very important for Russia, both economically and politically, and it is not something that Russia wants to mess with and it is important for EU as well, which is why they are building pipes around Ukraine, neither Russia nor EU wants instable Ukraine to be the route, partly due to Ukraine being instable and untrustyworthy but also due to USA controlling Ukraine.
No, certainly not, if Russia cut of gas as you said, EU would have hard few years, then they would get gas and oil from elsewhere and Russia would never sell gas or oil to EU again.
There’s always China and East — but yes, there are risks and disadvantages. Still, a month or so should have a great effect on Ukraine, and prod EU a fair bit.
I think that letting Ukraine shoot missiles into Russian territory is intolerable, though — and there are planes from all over which would be at risk. There are also times when one has bite the bullet, fish or cut bait, etc., and stop playing games. The Middle East is in no great position to supply gas — else why are they not already doing that, under US pressure?
As I understand it there are two main pipelines that traverse Ukraine – one to Hungary/Poland/Slovakia Central Europe – the ‘Brotherhood’ and the other the Trans-Balkan pipeline to Romania/Bulgaria etc – the smaller pipeline of the two.
If Russia wanted to shut off gas I would suggest using a covert ops to blow up the Trans-Balkan pipeline and blame it on Ukie Nationalists – with the fix coming early next year – if at all.
Isn’t it true that recently Bulgaria elected the pro-Russian candidate? The cutting of the Trans-Balkan pipeline by Ukie Nationalists would give Bulgaria a renewed mandate to push for South Stream to come ashore in Bulgaria as originally planned and diminish the role of Erdogan in controlling Russian gas transit to Europe – surely a good thing!
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A lot happening now. RT/sputnik ect declared Russian propaganda by EU. US passed a resolution on establishing no fly zones in Syria. Obama assuring so called allies nothing will change in their relationship under Trump, what is happening in US is just party politics and wont affect US foreign policy.
A big false flag would be on the cards. I guess Trumps plane somehow being destroyed in or near Russian airspace would be the ultimate to get the US population behind a war with Russia. This would kill two birds with one stone for the neo-cons. Apparently he is planning to go to Russia after inauguration.
But whatever happens, these things like Russian media being declared propaganda, the US resolution on Syria, what Obama is saying to other so called leaders gives me a sense of foreboding.
Why are you so naive about Trump? Do you really think something radical is changing in Pentagon?
@ Anonymous on November 25, 2016 · at 10:47 pm UTC
“Because doing so would lead to sanctions against Russia that would crush her economy into the dust, it would also ruin Russian ties with EU for a generation, give NATO a reason for existing, and enough propaganda to absorb the European countries that are currently not in NATO. And trigger EU to find gas and oil elsewhere and buying USA LNG.”
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What you describe, were it to happen, would force Russia into autarky, which Russia can very well afford, get out of the Western financial system, run its own currency, and trigger a magnificent industrialization not seen since WW2. Severing ties with the utterly putrefact “West”, far from being something to regret, would be one of the best things to happen to Russia and a guarantee to its survival.
The Ukies seem to do whatever they please because they have the backing of the western media that will condemn whatever Russia does. Well, I would suggest this: Send some message to Poro, Yats, whoever that they and/or relatives will personnally be targeted by the Russian intelligence. They like play dirty well lets play dirty with them. Of course Putin or any other Russian official for that matter will have no knowledge about this.
Steinmeier’s Role in Ukraine Coup Should Prevent Him From Being German President
https://sputniknews.com/europe/201611251047852592-steinmeier-ukraine-coup-role-implications/
“Ukrainian ex-lawmaker Vladimir Oleynik says that the February 2014 coup d’état in Ukraine must be formally adjudicated as such. Commenting on Oleynik’s remarks, German lawmaker Andrej Hunko told Sputnik that German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier’s role in the coup should disqualify him from the German presidency.”
I concur. Not only is the zio-quisling unfit to lead, he is traitor and should be prosecuted as such, at the very least. As should all zionazis subverting their respective countries to israeli interests.
Actually, what Russia should do is to not fall into the deception that a Trump presidency would represent a departure from the PNAC’s stated goals: “to promote American global leadership”. That is the meaning of ‘making America great again’.
Trump’s victory was in no way ‘ a Grassroots Revolution’, ditto Brexit (‘make Britain great again’) . Both are ‘tactical retreats’ prepared for long with all the cunning of skilled manipulators. Retreat to better jump. The same kind of false truces which permits the regrouping of forces and inducing the opponents into a false sense of security, making them lower their guard.
I couldn’t say it better than F. William Engdahl in his recent article “The Dangerous Deception Called The Trump Presidency” (@http://journal-neo.org/2016/11/25/the-dangerous-deception-called-the-trump-presidency/) which I recommend.
He draws attention to a point that may fall under the radar. The new NSC advisor, General Flynn wrote a book together with Michael Ledeen, titled “Field of Fight: How to Win the War Against Radical Islam and its Allies”.
“Michael Ledeen, who prefers to be in the background, is perhaps best characterized as a Godfather of the neoconservatives. He has shaped the policies of the likes of Paul Wolfowitz, Dick Cheney, Don Rumsfeld and others of the US war faction… In 2003 just as the Bush-Cheney-Wolfowitz war on Iraq was underway, Ledeen gave a speech titled, “Time to Focus on Iran — The Mother of Modern Terrorism,” for the pro-Netanyahu Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs (JINSA) in which he declared, “the time for diplomacy is at an end; it is time for a free Iran, free Syria and free Lebanon.” To “free” Iran, Syria and Lebanon back in 2003, almost a decade before the US war against Assad, Ledeen declared that Iraq, Iran and Syria should get their “freedom” through a US-led “total War.”
http://journal-neo.org/2016/11/25/the-dangerous-deception-called-the-trump-presidency/
Incidentally, Ledeen is known, irrespective of his Trotskyist background (or perhaps because of that!), as an apologist of the revolutionary potential of Fascism, which he called “the Revolution of the 20th century.” The dalliance with the Ukronazis was programmed.
Indeed the next two months are crucial. But most likely not because Trump would reverse steam, but to present him with new belligerent facts on the ground. The concomitance of the provocations meant to sour the Turkish-Russian relations with the ones in Crimea would suggest that.
I can’t believe that the Russians are so naive as not to see through the smoke screen of deception. The installation of the missiles in Kaliningrad and in the Kuril Islands and the return to service of 3000 tanks of the Soviet era show that Russians are not prepared to be fooled.
Very good point.
For all the people who sincerely believe that Trump will be less hostile in terms of foreign policy, just remember that the Obama Regime (including Hillary Clinton) initially promised a “Reset” to improve relations with Russia.
Look how well that worked out–NOT!
Trump’s softened rhetoric is merely The Reset, the Sequel.
Indeed, his entire regime is a Conservative/Republican version of “Change that You Can Believe In,” which we saw with Obama.
As that article by William Engdahl suggests, Trump’s “friendliness” towards Russia is a cynical ruse to weaken the Russia-China strategic partnership and thus Eurasian cohesion in general in order to maintain America’s Unipolar hegemony, as advocated by Neocons and the Project for a New Ameircan Century. Moreover, Trump’s (i.e. Michael Flynn) distancing from America’s Islamicist proxies is merely a tactical shift towards favoring Israeli Likudniks like Bibi Nuttyahoo as well as allied Neocon Zionists like Michael Ledeen:
“Donald Trump was put into office to prepare America for war, a war the banks of Wall Street and the US military industrial complex are not presently in a position economically or industrially or otherwise, geopolitically, to win. His job will be to reposition the United States for them to reverse the trend to disintegration of American global hegemony, to, as the Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz Project for the New American Century put it in their September, 2000 report, “rebuild America’s defenses.” To do that preparation, a deception strategy that will fatally weaken the developing deep bonds between Russia and China will be priority. It’s already begun. We have a friendly phone call from The Donald to Vladimir the Fearsome in Moscow. Russian media is euphoric about a new era in US-Russia relations after Obama. Then suddenly we hear the war-mongering NATO head, Stoltenberg, suddenly purr soothing words to Russia. Float the idea that California Congressman and Putin acquaintance, Dana Rohrabacher, is leaked as a possible Secretary of State. It’s classic Kissinger Balance of Power geopolitics–seem to ally with the weaker of two mortal enemies, Russia, to isolate the stronger, China. Presumably Vladimir Putin is not so naïve or stupid as to fall for it, but that is the plot of Trump’s handlers. Such a strategy of preventing the growing Russia-China cooperation was urged by Zbigniew Brzezinski in a statement this past summer.
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Flynn’s position on war against ISIS and presumably also against the Muslim Brotherhood so beloved by Hillary Clinton and the Obama Administration, is not one of a man of peace. Rather it is one of a cold, calculating military professional, a military professional who favors working with the Likud of Netanyahu to advance the global agenda of war.”
http://journal-neo.org/2016/11/25/the-dangerous-deception-called-the-trump-presidency/
In short, Making America Great=America’s Unipolar World Order.
America is fundamentally driven by a Will to Power, a Manifest Destiny to subjugate the entire planet.
Democrat or Republican, Clinton or Trump.
It makes no difference.
Only the mask of the American Empire changes.
RayB on November 26, 2016 · at 11:51 am UTC
Re: “Democrat or Republican, Clinton or Trump.It makes no difference.Only the mask of the American Empire changes.”
Some discerning and poignant points here to contemplate. Question is, while we’ve always known that Obama and Clinton are mere shills for the deep state globalist, is Trump actually in on the game? Or does it matter anyway? Since if he doesn’t play along, he will soon go the way of JFK.
My reading of him is that while he may be a self made billionaire huckster, he’s not really on the inside track, and what you see is exactly what you get, like it or not. Guess only time will tell.
Thank you so much! I said something similar few days ago; new false flag is imminent – Iran being the main target. And I was speculating that Russia will be offered a mafia-style deal: don’t interfere (like in Iraq) for higher oil prices, or else.
But,as you said, military preps in Russia are telling indeed!
Engdalh’s artcle may be right, but it fails to fully convince when the author’s statement that M. Ledeen’ doctoral thesis on ” World Fascism” is now almost IMPOSSIBLE to find.
I found it within 5 minutes of reading Engdalh’s spiel. Ledeen made a link to it in his recent article in the Forbes magazine. He ‘s definitely not trying to hide it, as Engdahl seems to suggest.
Its these “minor” misstatements, deliberate or otherwise, that make author’s other claims, ligitimate or not, sound mighty hollow.
Speaking to myself, I am reminded that in the Great Patriotic War, the Soviets had both the moral and the political advantage.
They needed more than that, however, in order to survive, crush fascism and rid the world of the Brown Plague.
Nothing then shamed the Nazis and their accomplices.
Nothing, absolutely nothing, shames the Natoists and its buddies anymore, whatever we may say. Evil remains, as always, shameless.
Brown Plague was not crushed, only squeezed until it burst like a putrid abscess, which spread the infection to, well, who runs OTAN? Yes, Fourth Reich is running. That’s the outfit that attacks.
It is true that the Fourth Reich differs from the Third, and it’s true that it keeps it’s secrets better, and it’s true that it has dropped overt racism and turned this into an indirect tool – color revolutions – but it remains the Fourth Reich.
Goal? Same. World Conquest.Ivan is going to have to do a better job this time…perhaps more subtle and indirect…time and methods change. Sociopaths’ Criminal Organisations and their people do not.
Thanks fr this, Powerful. The Clinton-Soros- rebranded Machine is alive, well, and very active. Trey Gowdy’s vdeos on the need to lawfully respond to criminal actions such as this one you describe here
are unalloyed brilliant. Please watch.
Patience has its limits. If it goes too far, reaching the limits of cowardice.Putin is not able to protect the Russian nation.
You are right, patience has its limits. Makes me wonder how long will moderators tolerate anti Russian shill such as yourself.
I do not agree with what you have to say, but I’ll defend to the death your right to say it.
You say you will but Putin won’t, we’ll see about that in the long run and when we have the whole picture. History will tell us what’s true or not in the end.
Byzantines, and that is why we have problems in the world, because most people believe that unthinkly, which, by definition, must include the right for people to lie. Try saying on a plane: ‘There is a bomb on board’, and see if anybody defends your right to say that. Or calling somebody a murderer, when they are not. Rights & responsibilities go together.
Clinton strikes back – The recount is on in the 3 key election states. “Volunteers” will be recruited to do the recount.
The narrative is set “Russia hacked the election for trump” clinton wins
Yes, patience and restraint may be appropriate but this – as has been pointed out – only emboldens the US and the Ukie stooges to go further. They have already engaged in provocative actions – attempted sabotage and abductions – which could be interpreted as acts of war. And let’s be honest, they will keep on upping the ante, until Russia has to act more forcefully. Oh, yes there will be all the usual blathering from the western media about Russian aggression, but Russia’s reputation has been so denigrated and trashed by now that this hardly seems to matter any longer. Whatever Russia does is wrong, so be it. Even when Russia defends itself it is acting provocatively. There’s an old English expression: ”You may as well get hanged for a sheep as a lamb.” Meaning if you are going to be blamed and believed by all and sundry that you are guilty without trial you might as well commit the ”offence”.
We all are instruments marching in a common band, guided by an invisible dirigent of money power that conducts us.
Yes, something big is “up” and it may be planned in loose coordination in several places on the planet for around the New Year.
Ignore her high voice and preaching in this video–the astrology is accurate:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsuOXWm1Avw&feature=youtu.be
However, my prediction is like how the Ukrainian fishing boat out of Mariupol which ran into trouble in the Mediterranean and had to call upon the Russian navy for help, these “can’t-shoot-straight” gang members will try something in the Ukraine that they think is sneaky and big and have to be rescued by who else but “the Russians”.
Li k to recent articles re Ukraine is thinking of testing missiles over russian airspace………https://sputniknews.com/search/?query=ukraine+missile+crimea
whether it is just all blather to raise the anti and get alarm bells ringingI am not sure….maybe the Eu will be happy to support ukraine ‘s right to test missiles over what the EU and others still think is their own territory………………..?
“A diplomatic scandal is brewing between Kiev and Moscow over Ukraine’s plans to stage missile drills over Russian airspace in Crimea. This is just the latest in a series of provocations; earlier this month, Ukraine abducted two Russian servicemen. Before that, Russian intelligence caught Ukrainian saboteurs trying to blow up Crimean military bases.
Read more: https://sputniknews.com/politics/201611261047875742-ukraine-provocations-against-russia-explained/
latest? here
“Russia discusses with ICAO Ukraine’s missile test plans near Crimea
Military & Defense November 29, 10:44 UTC+3
According to Russia’s aviation watchdog Rosaviatsia, missile-firing drills in the Crimea area is a violation of international agreements”
More:
http://tass.com/defense/915234
Congratulations to The Saker for being in the “sophisticated Russian Propaganda Tool” list of the Washington (Bezosistan) Post
I would not worry too much about Ukranian provocations, not out of complaceny but because ever since the Maidan coup d’etat & the war in Donbass, the Russian g’ment/Kremlin, MoD along with GRU will have devised numerous battle plans & simulation ops for a response to such acts. I suspect Russia will only respond in the face of a full frontal attack, where the occupation of territory is at stake. They may respond to a large scale artillery assault on Crimea by precision strikes, this is what happened when Ukrops struck across the border into Russia during the early stage of the Donbass/Novorossia war. Russia has plenty of options if Crimea were attacked, they could prompt an assault from DNR & LNR to take more territory along the border, Harkov for example, or to take Mauripol. Plus, GRU almost certainly has networks now all over the place where there are pro-Russian sentiments, so they could start uprisings in Odessa, Dniepropetrovsk, even in Lvov & Ivano-Frankovsk – because there are infiltrators in the Ukrop forces & Pravii Sektor. I could go on, but readers will get the point, Russia can smash Ukraine, now more than ever, but the Kremlin will avoid being seen to be the aggressor at quite high cost. Not because Putin gives two f’s what the West think, but because of what the population of Ukraine think. It may be slow & painful, but over time they will gradually wake up & begin to see their EU friends for what they are – there may be little sign of that now, but it will come, some of the more recent more reliable polls of opinion within Ukraine are suggestive. In the end the entire country will fall into Russia’s hands with the minimum of bloodshed. By confining the war to the Donetsk & Lugansk regions probably tens of thousands of lives have been saved, despite the large number of casualties suffered in Donetsk & Lugansk. The comments of a Serbian volunteer, Dejan Beric are interesting on this point, I don’t think there’s an English language subtitle so there’s no point linking it, but he states that it is widely believed in DNR that had Russia intervened militarily, the death toll would be far higher & there would be constant terrorism, akin to what is suffered in non-ISIS occupied Iraq.
Excellent! Bravo! Comrade Vor… Beautiful analysis!
The Ukrainian Junta acts with daring because they have Western influencers holding their coats while they do it. They know that moving across the border into Crimea will be actionable, as their small scale attempts have shown. They will continue to aggravate from outside. The frustration seems to be that while Russia has the power to swat this fly and kill it, the international fall out will be a deluge, so in that sense, their hands are tied militarily. In this campaign to dismember Russia by the Western Hegemony, Russia knows they won’t win by giving the EU/ USA/ NATO anything to run with as propaganda, and we all know that Russia’s enemies are doing this, but nothing we or anyone else says will have any effect within the decision making structures: They aren’t listening to reason because they know they are wrong, but the criminality will continue to fulfill their objectives. If they can draw Russia into a fight, there will be a great deal of damage to Ukraine, but this is a good thing because it gives them all the justification they need to begin another major, if not world war, in earnest. Why? I think partly because they want Crimea. They have wanted it for years, mainly because of the port at Sebastopol. This is a major pearl in the string of pearls to encircle Russia and choke her down to nothing. With missile installations at Sebastopol, most of western Russia is under the gun, so to speak. From the point of view of those who do not want war, a NATO stand-down is operative. Perhaps a Trump presidency will be instrumental toward this, provided his administration doesn’t become infiltrated and co-opted by the same element which has held sway in Washington since Lyndon Johnson and the Viet Nam “conflict.”
For now, what can be done to defuse the destructive attempts to “poke the bear?” The Saker writes, “The SBU hides one single artillery piece in a town just north of the Crimean-Ukrainian border and then begins to shell, at night, of course, Russian military positions or town, in northern Crimea. Several Russian soldiers or civilians are killed, more are wounded.” If President Putin doesn’t respond in kind, would it damage his public approval ratings, and ignite the ire of the Russian people? I think it could. What if, Everyone living in towns within artillery range move back, and resettle for the time being. If no one is living there anymore, it takes the sting out of artillery bombardment from the Ukrainian side of the border, and if they bombard anyway, it makes THEM look like the aggressors and provocateurs, and pretty foolish to boot for targeting empty towns and cities. Meanwhile, Russia can just wait them out. And then, after Obama leaves office, Putin and Trump may be able to resolve the problem like adults, walk back the Obama “legacy” and put a stop to all this foolishness from Kiev.
The arguments about being pro Russia I think is bad publicity to the political movement.
Because Russian will always be associated with Communism and that makes it harder for the morons to see the truth.
Russia needs to be patient!
The only thing that makes everyone here pro Russia is MAD.
Before NATO start his move towards Russia, Brazil was sabotaging the first effort to globalization the NAFTA deal.
We saw our weakness and won only with words.
Of course Brazil will never prevail, without a bomb, but there is an institution with high level thinking that knows the world.
The higher CIA puppy is placed there at the Itamaraty palace….to end this shit forever.
The Brazilian thinking is being there since the Empire time.
It could be the very end of Brazil if Serra prevail.
Being pro Russia is the wrong way to sell it! Don’t allow it to happen, even here!
There are no Russian side. There is the truth and the lie side.
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Putin must impress upon President Trump that to fully heal relations between the two countries the best thing a newly elected President Trump can do is reveal and declassify all US Intel regarding MH17.
All of it.
The truth about MH17 will ‘set the West free’ from the anti-Russian mindset.
In a heartbeat Russia-US relations will be restored and several craven enemies of Russia will be destroyed.
Starting with Porky Poroshenko who will be found responsible by way of his Ukrainian misfit military and his subsequent cover-up. Porky will be history.
In addition – the traitor to his own 200 murdered countrymen Mark Rutte will be destroyed and seen to have sold his dead countrymen down the river for a few hundred pieces of silver (or in this place the repatriation of Dutch gold from New York).
Bye-bye Porky
Bye-bye Rutte.
Hollande will also be destroyed – but he already is and a showdown between Fillon v Le Pen can only be a good thing for the World (& Russia) – the sanctions will not be renewed again once the new US & French Presidents are in place by June 2017.
The other prize of revealing the truth about MH17 will be destroying once and for all the credibility of Angela Merkel. She has to know the truth and the extent of the cover-up – in fact, there is little doubt she is central to it and complicity in it.
The truth about MH17 will restore Europe to a path to prosperity in 2017.
For mine – it is the first real litmus test of newly elected and installed President Trump.
Trump must reveal the truth about MH17 – before the Dutch Elections.
The Dutch Election is due to be held on Wednesday March 15, 2017.
I’d say a good day for Trump to reveal the truth about MH17 would be about 3 weeks before the Dutch Election just enough time to totally destroy Rutte and ensure Wilders is elected as the new Prime Minister of the Netherlands – a natural ally of Donald Trump.
That date would be Wednesday February 22, 2017.
In terms of Trump – do you believe in him or not?
For those that do (as I do currently, I’ll let his actions as President tell me rather than any pre-inauguration rhetoric) that’s great, for those that don’t, why not?
If they kill him will you then believe in him – because they killed him?
If so that is incredibly stupid and has direct parallels to history.
Have you ever heard of the Salem witch trials?
I gave believing as a mode of thinking unless I’m engaged in magick (chaos magick is my preference) which I rarely do. I don’t consider it as logically, philosophically, or cognitively valid. I prefer to deal with confidence levels in the various possibilities, always maintaining skepticism, never reaching decisions or conclusions until needed, and trying to plan for any eventualities. I try to use emotions and ‘belief’ as sometimes useful servants or tools to inform my thinking, but to never get trapped by or attached to them.
Do I believe in Trump? Of course not, but there is some information available which can give some confidence levels, however uncertain, in predicting what may happen — even though there can be little confidence in anything given the current levels of chaos and complexity. I doubt even Trump himself can accurately predict what he will do, with the plethora of badly known external forces and circumstances, and his own internal contradictions. Everything is still up for grabs; it’s like trying to anticipate and plan what you will do in a free-for-all bar fight or riot. In a crisis he may act superbly or fail miserably, either consistent with some set of internal conditions and thought structures.
An analogy I used before is like an old cowboy movie where someone is held captive by bandits and tosses a handful of bullets into the campfire: anything might happen and anyone might be hit by shrapnel.
The gods are laughing at us.
I believe Trump cares genuinely about America and will do a better job than Hilary ever could.
However, the Presidential curse kicks in in 2020; that’s when the real assassination threat looms. It doesn’t matter if there is a real curse or not, its a regular window for taking a shot at the POTUS the masses are inclined to accept fatalistically.
http://www.snopes.com/history/american/curse.asp
In the meantime, Trump has to pass the Electoral College on Dec. 19 and will campaign accordingly.
This is unusual (despite what some pundits say), the Electoral College being used to try and scuttle a Presidency that won the EC, as opposed to the popular vote.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/11/the-electoral-college-was-meant-to-stop-men-like-trump-from-being-president/508310/
If the neocons want to do Crimea, they will have to do it through Trump.
American popular anger would make it very difficult to prosecute a hot proxy war against Russia as Obama’s last act and almost certainly make the EC Trump dump option totally unviable.
Neocons out of power very soon?
Trump is good, but not that good. Neocons will be a problem throughout his administration if Trump makes it past the Dec. 19 Electoral College vote.