Dear friends,
On July 1st of this year – just before an imminent Ukie attack – I made a short post entitled Novorussia – Hope for the best, prepare for the worst, and settle for anything in the middle in which I was trying to prepare my readers for the possible consequences of a massive Ukrainian assault.
Разбор полетов – “after action report”
Looking back, I would say that what actually took place was neither the best, nor the worst, option, but an “in the middle” kind of outcome: initially, the Ukies almost severed Donetsk from Luganks, but they never had the capability to really enter these cities and execute urban offensive operations. The junta forces did penetrated deeply in Novorussian territory, but they were soon surrounded and the famous “cauldrons” began to form. The biggest loss for the Novorussians was the loss of Slaviansk and Kramotorsk which Strelkov attempted to hold as long as possible apparently in the hope of a Russian military intervention, even though he always knew that Slaviansk was indefensible. When it became clear that the Russians would not come, Strelkov did the right thing and pulled his forces out of Slaviansk and into Donetsk.
All in all, the Novorussian Armed Forces (NAF) proved to be a force far superior to the Junta Repression Forces (JRF) which suffered from the following problems:
- Criminally incompetent top commanders in Kiev and at the operational headquarters.
- Terrible logistics
- Poor morale
- Poor training
- Poor coordination
- A hostile local population
The strong points of the JRF were:
- An overwhelming advantage in firepower
- An overwhelming advantage in armor
- An overwhelming advantage in numbers
- A monopoly on heavy weapons
- A total control of the skies
- The individual courage and resilience of the soldiers of the regular and, especially, special army units
The Novorussians negated these advantages by never presenting a lucrative target, by their high mobility and by their extremely successful air-defenses.
The weak points of the NAF were:
- A acute lack of firepower
- A acute lack of armor
- A acute lack of men (especially specialists)
- The total absence of heavy weapons
- The absence of a true central command
The strong points of the NAF were:
- The extremely high morale of the all the fighting men and woman
- Very competent commanders and experienced officers
- Very strong tactical skills
- An excellent knowledge and use of the terrain
- Excellent intelligence (no doubt with Russian GRU help)
- Extremely effective air-defenses (which imposed a no-fly zone on the Ukies)
- Strong support from the local population
- A remarkable network of highly skilled technicians capable of repairing, cannibalizing and even rebuilding weapons with old, damaged and abandoned Ukie hardware
All in all the Novorussians did a superb job negating all the advantages of the Ukies while maximizing on their own strong points. There were ups and down, but I would say that the bottom line of the July-September offensive was a crushing and humiliating defeat for the Ukies and a superb victory for the Novorussians.
What if the Junta attacks again?
Bu now – Sunday morning – there is a quasi-consensus that the Junta is about to launch yet another massive offensive. Assuming that this is true – and I personally think this is very likely – what are we likely to see? Furthermore, since the same causes tend to produce the same effects, the key question is this: what have the Ukies learned from their defeat this summer and what could they do differently this time around?
Alas, I don’t have access to any first hand information about how the Junta has been preparing itself for the new assault. Here is what I have found out through the Russian and Ukrainian media:
Junta-controlled military factories have been working night and day to produce a large number of tanks, APCs, IFVs and artillery pieces. The Ukrainians have been training their SU-25 and Mi-24 pilots. New volunteer units have been created and regular army units have been re-organized. The Ukies have built defensive lines along key sectors of the front (such apparently “defensive” preparations are actually crucial for any offensive plans since a highly prepared defensive sector can be held by a numerically smaller forces while preventing an counter-attack or envelopment from the other side). We have to assume that more men have been mobilized and trained and that the next Ukie assault will again pit a very large Ukrainian force against a much smaller Novorussian one. But will that be enough for the Ukies to prevail?
I don’t think so.
What the Ukies are preparing is rather obvious. They will pick several key axes of attack along which they will unleash a massive artillery attack. This fire preparation will serve to prepare for a push by Ukrainian armored units (this time around we can expect the Ukrainian infantry to properly defend their tanks and not the other way around). The Ukrainians will not push deep into Donetsk or Lugansk, but rather they will try to, again, cut-off and surround Donetsk in a pincer attack and then negotiate some kind of quasi-surrender by the Novorussians. At most, they will try to enter a few important suburbs. I don’t expect much action around Luganks – Donetsk is far more exposed.
Now, if I am correct and this is what happens, then please understand and remember this: the correct Novorussian response to this plan is to begin by retreating. It makes no sense whatsoever for the Novorussians to sit and fight from positions which are densely covered by Ukrainian artillery strikes. During the first Ukrainian attack I was dismayed to see how many people clearly did not understand the importance retreats in warfare. The “hurray-patriots” in particular were adamant that the initial Novorussian retreat was a clear sign that, as always, “Putin had betrayed Novorussia” (when the NAF went on a long and brilliant counter-offensive, these “hurray-patriots” fell silent for a while until the moment when Moscow stopped the NAF from seizing Mariupol, at which point they resumed chanting their mantra). The fact is that retreating against a superior forces is the logical thing to do, especially if you have had the time to prepare for a two, possibly, three echelon defense. While I do not know that for a fact, this is what I expect the Novorussians have been doing during all the length of the ceasefire: preparing a well-concealed and layered defense.
My hope and expectation is that once the JRF attacks the NAF will, again, carefully retreat, pull the JFR in, and then being to gradually degrade the attacking force. I particular hope that the Russians have finally send some much needed guided anti-tank weapons through the voentorg.
Second, the lack of political unity in Novorussia is not as big a military problem as it is a political one. Most Novorussian commanders are clearly very gifted and at least as competent as Strelkov. Folks like Bezler, Kononov, Zakharchenko, Mozgovoi, Khodakovskii, Motorola, Givi and many others do not need to be told what to do to do the right thing in their area of responsibility. The weaker Cossack units have now apparently been reassigned to the Russian-Novorussian border and only combat proven units are facing the Ukie side.
I don’t think that the Ukie air force will be of much use, if anything the Novorussian air defense probably got even better. Mostly, I fear their long range artillery and their sheer numbers. But even if we look at the worst case scenario (successful Ukie attack cutting off Donetsk) I don’t think that the the JRF will prevail. There is still no doubt in my mind whatsoever that if Novorussia is really threatened then Russia will intervene, overtly if needed. From what all sources are reporting, the voentorg is working at full capacity and weapons are flowing in in very large numbers including sophisticated ones. I think that Putin’s plan is to try to keep the Nazis out of Novorussia only by means of voentorg. But should that not be enough, I am confident that Russia will overtly move in. There is no way that Russia can accept the fall of Novorussia to the Nazis.
The good news is that the Ukies most definitely don’t have what it takes for a long, sustained effort. They will risk it all on one powerful push. If that push fails, we will see a flurry of US/EU/OSCE “diplomacy” to save the Ukies and come right back to the negotiating table. At that point the conflict with be “frozen” again (on the Ukie side literally) and the focus will be on keeping the regime in power or replacing it with something else. After that, the next attack can only come in the Spring on 2015.
Finally, there is also a more optimistic possibility: the real reason behind the chorus of warnings about a Ukie attack might be the Russian way of telling them “we know what you are up to and we are ready”. In theory that should deter a Ukie attack. Alas, we need to remember that a) there is no real power in Kiev – all the decisions are taking by the USA and b) the goal of the next attack might not be to win, but to draw Russia into an overt intervention. I personally believe that this was the plan all along and I have been saying that for months: the real goal of the AngloZionists is to force a Russian military intervention in Novorussia while the real goal of the Kremlin is to stay out and keep Novorussia alive by means of voentorg on one hand, and chaos in Banderastan on the other. So far the Kremlin has prevailed. We will probably soon find out if that strategy will work again.
The Saker
“Anonymous said…
Uncle Bob:
Sabotage: yes!
I would not like to see anything intrude into this precarious situation, like blowing power stations, that will negatively impact civilians, but that surely wouldn’t apply to a hangar full of MiG 29s burning down outside of town. “
You are 100% right here.That is one of the best of the many differences between the NAF and JRF.The NAF tries not to harm civilians whenever possible.While the JRF killers couldn’t care less who they kill if it helps them in a battle.
Uncle Bob
“Anonymous said…
Saker – many of the ukrainian conscripts know that the Kiev junta are evil criminals and they do not want to fight. They know they have been lied to and that the Kiev Junta/ZATO/Nuland/Soros will kill the conscripts and have no regard for their lives.”
I agree with you there.But remember that they will still fight and kill for them when ordered to.Unless they are beaten so badly they actually are worrying for their own particular life,will they turn on the junta.There really is a good chance to get the junta military to defect and even overthrow the junta.But they have to be more afraid of the NAF killing them in battle than they are of the Right Sector nazis, first.The NAF (as they have always done) welcomes defectors as brothers.So there the junta soldiers know they won’t just be murdered if they surrender or switch to the NAF side.But the nazis will (and have) kill them if it looks like they are trying to.
Uncle Bob
Russian attitude regarding Madian Kiev events, up to the punitive actions of Kiev Junta against of New Russia population; revealed how Divided and Hijacked Kremlin Is.
The horror of innocent civilians in Donetsk would be milder, if militia would be supplied with 1000 Laser Guided Portable Missiles Kornet E, able to destroy a tank up to 3000meters, and any Helicopter up to 1000 meters distance. Was Kornet E provided to Hesbollah that stopped Israel offensive in Lebanon on 2006.
Saker–
I’ve read almost every post you’ve had for over a year now. I appreciate your generally-neutral tone, and various news sources. You are usually the first to add doubt about anything you would like to post as true, but worry may not be 100%.
But there is one big mistake made repeatedly; the USA doesn’t “run” other countries. I can’t stress what an over-simplification that is, which is saying a lot, next to statements made such as Obama did it. We have a running joke, here in America, made about right-wingers who want to blame that damn n****r for everything from global warming to homosexuality; Thanks, Obama.
You painted yourself into their kitchen, Saker. Obama… doesn’t do shit. His cabinet might, in part, cause action in other governments; Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, John McCain, and John Kerry are all pretty talented at convincing other leaders what to do, if they want to stay “good friends” with the US. That doesn’t mean they’re in control.
What you fail to mention is the Contraesque operations of the Securities Agencies. The CIA, the NSA, even the DHS and FBI, are running amuck, both domestic and internationally. Ukie protest snipers? CIA. John Foley rescue attempt? Another SA covert op.
Case in point, secret-soldiers popping shots to cause maelstrom is NOT the same as government policy control over allies; seriously, do you think we asked Israel to invade the West Bank or Gaza? No. They went in, and we stayed the fuck out of the way.
Same thing with Kiev. You can call it US-driven priorities, but you can’t unequivocally label Poroshenko’s nutbag approach, or the hundreds of Nazi bastards doing things like using trenching shovels to dispatch protesters.
If you want to gain legitimacy as a news source, you have to stop the right-wing-bag bullshit. You’ve gone partisan, sir. Please, focus on the news, go ahead and blame US-backed policy makers, because we have a lot of weight-throwing corps and corp reps, sure, but don’t bag Obama for shit he has no control over, and stop pointing at the Executive or Legislative branches for SA’s running amuck. We’d like them gone, too.
Of mice and men. In the Great Patriotic War, T-34 tanks were usually on the move. But field mice chewed the wires in German tanks that were occupying the countryside and the little creatures disabled many of them. Nowadays, the Russian military has better technologies – maybe drone mice. Something like the “bug bomb” from ‘I Worship His Shadow’.
Selling out Novorossia is out of the question for Putin, so people who are genuinely stressed over it should relax. Putin has ruled out not only GMOs, but bases for missile defense shield that would negate Russia’s nuclear deterrence, so have faith in the Saker’s wise words.
First it was the ukes; now britain & camoron refuse to pay!
BTW, this bill (adjustment) is based on EU counting things in the economy not officially tallied or taxed before, like prostitution, which makes the economy & hence the tax arrears larger.
brits are in the EU nominally, because they still kept the pound.
David Cameron has told MPs the UK will not pay the extra £1.7bn demanded by the European Union, promising to challenge it “in every way possible”.
The amount is based on a calculation of how well the economies of member states have fared since 1995.
But Mr Cameron said the figure set out, and the 1 December payment deadline set by Brussels, were “unacceptable”.
Earlier, a top EU official said it would open a “Pandora’s box” if the UK refused to pay.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29784488
Grieved, the Real Evil Empire specialises in setting people against each other. Just look at Vietnam, Korea, Yugoslavia, Iraq etc, in all of which places and scores more, the USA interfered with absolute malevolence to create civil strife, in order to crush independent nationalism, or economic independence, all in order to control those states and open them up for economic pillage. It is simplicity itself to recruit groups of disaffected, religious or ethnic zealots, common criminals and above all else murderous psychopaths, train them, arm them, finance them, have the scum of the Congress and the Rightwing MSM sewer declare them ‘freedom fighters’ and unleash them with orders to murder, torture, rape and ‘disappear’ people in order to foment civil strife. A policy straight from Hell, currently (and for over 150 years)operating out of its branch office in Mordor on the Potomac.
I realize the world isn’t that black and white but….
If Putin refuses to agree to Uki “gas on credit” Wed.: is the war reboot starting Thursday?
@ Morgan Zealear
So, you Sir agree with the Chapter 3 of the book of Gary Kah?
“En Route OF Global Occupation.”
Chapter3 Page 51
“America’s Shadow Government.” ??? .. !!! : )
Corrections:
The extremely high morale of the all the fighting men and womEn
Excellent intelligence (no doubt with Russian GRU AND PATRIOTS IN UKRAINIAN ARMY help)
Additions:
UKi army seems to start using artillery reconnaissance equipment and tactics, so I expect the NAF to have acquire similar tools — so far the voentorg‘s supply were matching the Ukies capabilities precisely and asymmetrically.
@ Marko Antonovic: I am a Serb, just for your information. Flores is not and he is selling bullshit quite often and rather obviously. Stop talking nonsense and open your eyes a little bit.
But hey, your call for blocking people just for speaking up quite clearly tells us where YOU come from. I guess a former member of Otpor or such? Either that or you’re just too young and green behind your ears.
@ Marko Antonovic: I am a Serb, just for your information. Flores is not and he is selling bullshit quite often and rather obviously. Stop talking nonsense and open your eyes a little bit.
But hey, your call for blocking people just for speaking up quite clearly tells us where YOU come from. I guess a former member of Otpor or such? Either that or you’re just too young and green behind your ears.
Oh and Marko dude, if you believe that Seselj or the Radical Party are true patriots or “good guys” in any sense, I have a bride to sell you.
I don’t know if you’re just so naive, or another propagandist. I lean to the latter, judging on your outings here.
From Russian Spring (rusvesnia.su)
“Head of Political Department of the Army DNR Edward Basurin reported that the available forces of the republic will be enough to repel any attack on the Ukrainian army Donetsk.”
“The situation in the city is now stable, but people are afraid of Ukrainian offensive and try to get out of town. Edward Basurin said that this should not be. Militia prepared intelligence they work very well. If the Ukrainian army offensive happen militia ready to meet them head-on and fight off this attack.”
It seems there’s a high degree of confidence in the ability to identify an imminent attack. It makes me wonder if there won’t be pre-emptive attacks on UAF attack forces identified out of defensive positions – hit & run actions or quick bombardments to destroy, disorganize, and demoralize.
What has Kiev got planned for 19th November. France is to decide between 15th-20th November whether to hand Mistral over. Polish troops are congregating around the border of Ukraine. Russia has not done what was expected, so if the Far Right has a proxy fight with Poland, a NATO country, on the border of Ukraine. Hey presto, NATO can go in and defend Poland, leave their boots in Ukraine and March down to the East? Guess that is NATOs Plan B, but just assuming.
Anonymous said…
First it was the ukes; now britain & camoron refuse to pay! —– On 30 November 2014 the Lisbon Treaty comes into full effect. We cannot hold a referendum, however Article 50 allows us to leave, under terms and conditions set by the EU. The day after, 1 December 2014 is when the EU demand that they receive a couple of billion from the UK, guess they need somebody to pay the bill for Ukraine. Also, what do the EU and USA want from the UK? For Cameron to buckle down and ignore the UKIP threat? Anything to do with airstrikes in Syria, clearing the way for the Israel, Saudi, Qatar pipeline to Europe? Anything to do with John Kerry and his secret deal with Saudi Arabia, hasn’t he promised them Syria? The Conservative Party are in serious trouble if they cannot win the Rochester bi-election.
Saker:
This SITREP has been translated into Basque by Basque Country-Donbass Solidarity Committee
http://euskalherriadonbas.wordpress.com/2014/10/28/nolakoa-iznago-da-novorossijaren-aurkako-juntaren-hurrengo-erasoa-sakerren-analisia/
Just for information.
Thanks!
these RT guys crafted their qntueioss a little bit too much “designed for Maxxxxx”. Came across as a little too scripted. They knew what they were in for. Really, didn’t Rory Suchet one of the RT presenters say when Max pulled the second pink handcuffs out of his pocket make, in reference to Stacy, refer to her as Max’s girlfriend . So I guess the question arises, did Mr Suchet fluff his lines, or does Mr Suchet know something we outsiders looking in don’t? Just wondering Very best wishes for the New Year to all the staff at RT.