I hear contradictory reports about the situation of Donetsk airport ranging from “airport 90% in Novorussian hands” to “airport taken”. Whatever may be the case, I believe that there is a pretty good chance that the Novorussians are correct when they say that airport will be taken this week-end. I took a quick look at the militarymaps.info site to get the latest report and this is what I saw:
There are combats taking place right now (5PM Moscow time) but most of the airport is in Novorussian hands. Furthermore, the Ukies have been pushed back just barely enough to make it very hard, if not impossible, for them to resupply their buddies at the airport. In fact, Novorussian soldiers interviewed in the Russian social media say that every time the Ukies try to send in a resupply convoy it gets destroyed. The AngloZionists are also apparently preparing for the loss of the airport: they are currently discussing the imposition of more sanctions on Russia is the airport falls to the Novorussians. Very stupid and yet oh so typical of these arrogant and clueless bureaucrats.
But the really interesting thing in all this is the Ukie behavior. Try to make sense of that:
What the Donetsk airport reveals about the Ukrainian forces
For *months* now the Ukie forces at the airport have been resisting in very hard conditions, often completely surrounded and very rarely resupplied. The Novorussians have offered them innumerable times to do what most other Junta forces did: leave through a corridor. But the folks at the airport refused. Sure, the (previously) ultra-modern Sergei Prokofiev Donetsk airport gave them a lot of very strong buildings and plenty of underground tunnels and facilities to hide, but their conditions there were not made much easier by that: they have been shelled, submitted to sniper fire, attacked by special commandos and basically starved and one can only imagine their morale considering that the chances for victory or even evacuation were close to zero. And yet they resisted with a fierce determination. According to one Novorussian source, over 1000 Ukies have already died in and around this airport.
Why? Why did they resist that way?
Did that airport really have such a strategic meaning?
The answer is no, not in the least. One silly notion was the the Ukies were holding on to the airport to prevent the Russians from using it to land their forces in Donetsk. This is laughable for several reasons. First, the Russians can land a fully mechanized airborne division anywhere, they don’t need an airport for that. Second, if the Russian military wanted to take that airport, it could do that in a few hours (more about that later). But most importantly, why in the world would the Russian bother landing in a contested airport when they could land in Lugansk or even simply drive from the border?! So no, the control of this airport does nothing to prevent a mythical Russian invasion.
Does the airport have some other strategic meaning? Does it allow to control Donetsk maybe?
The answer again is, no, not at all. In fact, if we look at what the Ukies have actually been doing from that airport we come to the most baffling “mystery” of it all: for months now the Ukies at the airport have submitted the city of Donetsk to completely random and indiscriminate fire. The kid of fire which kills civilians and destroys buildings, but which will have exactly zero impact on the Novorussian Armed Forces (NAF). And when I say zero I really mean zero. Let me explain.
The Ukies do not have the reconnaissance/intelligence capabilities to track the movements of NAF units inside Donetsk. Nor do they have correctors which could correct artillery fire. Furthermore, while the Junta Repression Forces (JRF) forces to the northwest of the airport can, maybe, provider fire support to the Ukies in the airport, the artillery in the airport itself is useless because the NAF forces are too close for that kind of artillery to be of much use. Besides, the JRF have a few (2?) tanks and mortars to do that. So the only possible use for the Ukie forces at the airport is to try to terrorize the people of Donetsk. This is simply mind-blowing, but it appears that 1000 or so Ukies were killed in months of heavy fighting for the sole purpose of killing civilians. Yes, it does sound absolutely crazy, but that is because it is absolutely crazy.
Now, it is true that the Ukie “Minister of Defense”, Valerii Geletei, is an incompetent clown. A former cop turned state security official turned military (literally overnight), he is the guy who claims that Russia used nukes in Lugansk, the guy who “signed” his pledge of service with a closed pen and the guy who has just shown WW2 era ammo as proof of a Russian invasion. He is hated and despised even by the Ukies. I an see that guy giving the order to “keep killing civilians until all of you are dead”, but why in the world are the Ukies at the airport following such an idiotic order?
Finally, consider that one of the few good aspects of an otherwise very controversial ceasefire was precisely to freeze the conflict more or less along the current line of contact and get any surrounded units out with no more blood spilled. And several Ukies units used this chance to get out of some rather desperate looking situation. The JRF even unilaterally withdrew from some contested villages. Except for the crazies at the airport who, instead of getting the hell out of Dodge, decided to dig in, stay and keep on terrorizing civilians.
I might be mistaken here, and I would appreciate any insights into this from you, but the only explanation I have for the apparently insane behavior is that these Ukies have been terminally brainwashed. They are like the SS in 1945 who screamed “Heil Hitler” while standing in front of a Soviet firing squad. Just like the SS, these guys apparently believe that their “honor is called loyalty” and they are apparently willing to fight to their last breath for the opportunity to terrorize civilians. Those Ukrainians who fought for Saur Mogila at least could tell themselves that they died in a battle for the control of the critically important southern edge of Novorussia. But to die for the Donetsk airport is either to die for nothing, or to die for the capability to kill civilians. Crazy and scary stuff.
What the Donetsk airport reveals about the Novorussian forces
There is another thing about this airport which strikes me as important. For months the Novorussians could not take it. Granted, this was a tough objective to seize and one could even argue that the NAF was stretched thin by more important combats elsewhere – both arguments are true – but still that does not explain why they could not take that airport.
There is one fact which civilians are always unaware of and which even military people often fail to realize: all military forces are good when they are winning. Let’s me explain: when a battle starts and, say, side A gets the upper hand and begins beating or pursuing side B, the actual performance of side A is almost always good. It is exceedingly rare for a military force to show incompetence, poor training or make mistakes while engaged in the pursuit of a retreating enemy. This also means that you cannot judge the effectiveness of a force by seeing how it performed in a battle it won. The key criterion to measure the combat effectiveness of a military force (from the foot solider up to the commander) is whether it can turn the tide, whether it can fight well while retreating, whether it can take a severe beating and then successfully mount a counter-attack. That is something only a truly effective force can do.
I think of the Afghan insurgents who showed superb capabilities against the Soviet military (especially the Tadjiks in the north). Everybody had assumed that as soon as the last Soviet solider would leave the insurgents would simply enter Kabul in a matter of hours. It took them three years!
Urban offensive operations are one of the most difficult tasks any military force can be given and even a force which performs superbly in the countryside can completely fail in an urban environment, especially against a determined defender.
The NAF did turn the tide and from a situation where the JRF almost surrounded Donetsk and cut off Donetsk from Lugansk. The NAF very skillfully used the fact that the JRF was “hugging the roads” to let them in, then surround them, then cut them off and then destroy them. But this was defensive operation. Furthermore, they got *a lot* of help from Russia including not only “voentorg”, but also direct fire support from across the Russian border. Then the Ukies ran. Their retreat was a total disaster, a botched and chaotic retreat in which the JRF truly showed how poor of a military force it was. But we must not mistake the military incompetence of the Ukies for a proof that the NAF is a very capable force on the offensive. The fact is that we don’t know how good the NAF would be in an offensive operation, especially against a determined defender. The case of the Donetsk airport is rather unique and does not prove that the NAF could not do well, but it should at the very least give some pause and reasons to think to those who believe that if not for the ceasefire the NAF would have liberated Mariupol or the rest of Novorussia. Furthermore, if we accept the argument often made by the Novorussians that they could not get the needed forces to the airport because they were stretched thin and needed these forces in other directions, then what does it tell us about what would happen of the NAF indeed did advance on several fronts as it appeared to be doing just before the ceasefire was signed? Do those who today deplore that Mariupol was not take realize that all the best units of the NAF had already been allocated to this task and that they were all far away from the rest of Novorussia? To those who are so upset about the ceasefire I have a basic question:
If all the best NAF forces were allocated to the battle for Mariupol, what NAF forces would have remained available in case of a Ukie attack from the north? IF that had happened how “thin” would the NAF forces around Donetsk and Lugansk have been?
I know that I will not get an answer to those who have accepted as indisputable the thesis that the NAF could have taken Mariupol and freed the rest of Novorussia (nevermind those who believe that the NAF could have taken Kiev). For them, the botched Ukie retreat from Novorussia is a clear proof that the Ukie military was finished and that total victory was at hand. And nevermind the Donetsk airport.
History cannot be re-written and we shall never know for sure. But as long as one can make a plausible argument that the ceasefire was signed just about at the perfect time for NAF – at the peak of its success – then there is no need to assume that all those who are not categorically opposed to that ceasefire are all traitors, agents of Surkov or any other kind of nasty nonsense which the hurray-patriots have been spewing on those who do not share their opinion. In my opinion the battle for the Donetsk airport clearly shows that the NAF was already stretched thin and that it is far more skilled in rural defensive operations than in offensive urban ones..
The Saker
“Petraeus said…
I like your expression: “arrogant and clueless bureaucrats” I just quietly remind you that those “arrogant and clueless bureaucrats” won the cold war and destroyed the Soviet Union, if you look at the map, your former eastern European satellites are all NATO members, the Baltic states too. You also lost Georgia and Moldova and you loosing influence to China in the former Asian soviet republics. Most importantly you lost Ukraine, true, you got Crimea and some parts of Donbass – destroyed and without the middle class people – but you lost Ukraine, your troops used to stand in Berlin now you fighting for Donetsk… All what left for you is your pitiful Eurasian union with Belarus and Kazakhstan, what an empire…”
The cold war was won by the early 1960s. That the “arrogant and clueless bureaucrats” a generation later took until about 1990 to realise that gives you a clue. The current generation are – well lets just say Syria – whose side are they on there?
I do agree that at present Putin has lost control of some 70% of Ukraine. Not that anyone else wants it.
I think Putin received some massive promises from the West to agree to the ceasefire. The West needed it desperately.
Dear Saker community,
I believe that there might be other reasons UKR forces still are not giving up.
There is lots of footage of statements on what the NAF do to UKR prisoners. In most cases they are detained and eventually swapped. But often they are executed, especially if they are mercenaries or volunteers of the disgusting Nazi-type.
With hundreds of civilian casulties that the UKR forces at the airport have inflicted on the Donetsk population through continuous shelling on urban areas, it should not come as a surprise if the forces at the airport do not expect any benign mercy if they surrender.
Another reason could be that some of the forces there could be a battalion of “good” soldiers, probably the best fit battalion in the Junta army. Remember how they originally took the airport? It was done with air support and clearly there was poor leadership, but still it was clear that it was done with no ordinary soldiers on the ground. No matter in what tragic state the UKR army is, they still have special forces and Speznaz is Speznaz, no matter if they are Ukranian or Russian. In any country those kind of soldiers dont give up unless ordered to.
I disagree with the Saker on the airport not being strategically important for the Junta. If anything is in a war airports are strategically important as harbors, bridges, mountain passes etc. This fictual ceacefire is still temporary (as everyone should know). The war will go on as that is what Washington wants. It would continue through the winter. And if the Junta want to take back Donetsk, having an airstrip. (Remember Kosovo?, who got to the airport in Prishtina first?) So there might be parts of the Juntas psycho-leadership that still believe in re-conquering Novorossiya.
There is also the symbolics of having the airport as well as items of both military and commercial value at the airport that should be defended for the Junta “at all cost”, even though i doubt it.
Still, I believe that the sad but probable reason is the most viable:
The Junta would rather sacrifice its own them and use it in a propaganda claim than rescue their own soldiers. If the opposite was the case, they would have been given the order to retreat through a safe corridor (which could be negotiated), if not to surrender.
V
(This could end up as a duplicate?, just didnt see it appear when i posted it first time. Sorry)
Dear Saker community,
I believe that there might be other reasons UKR forces still are not giving up.
There is lots of footage of statements on what the NAF do to UKR prisoners. In most cases they are detained and eventually swapped. But often they are executed, especially if they are mercenaries or volunteers of the disgusting Nazi-type.
With hundreds of civilian casulties that the UKR forces at the airport have inflicted on the Donetsk population through continuous shelling on urban areas, it should not come as a surprise if the forces at the airport do not expect any benign mercy if they surrender.
Another reason could be that some of the forces there could be a battalion of “good” soldiers, probably the best fit battalion in the Junta army. Remember how they originally took the airport? It was done with air support and clearly there was poor leadership, but still it was clear that it was done with no ordinary soldiers on the ground. No matter in what tragic state the UKR army is, they still have special forces and Speznaz is Speznaz, no matter if they are Ukranian or Russian. In any country those kind of soldiers dont give up unless ordered to.
I disagree with the Saker on the airport not being strategically important for the Junta. If anything is in a war airports are strategically important as harbors, bridges, mountain passes etc. This fictual ceacefire is still temporary (as everyone should know). The war will go on as that is what Washington wants. It would continue through the winter. And if the Junta want to take back Donetsk, having an airstrip. (Remember Kosovo?, who got to the airport in Prishtina first?) So there might be parts of the Juntas psycho-leadership that still believe in re-conquering Novorossiya.
There is also the symbolics of having the airport as well as items of both military and commercial value at the airport that should be defended for the Junta “at all cost”, even though i doubt it.
Still, I believe that the sad but probable reason is the most viable:
The Junta would rather sacrifice its own them and use it in a propaganda claim than rescue their own soldiers. If the opposite was the case, they would have been given the order to retreat through a safe corridor (which could be negotiated), if not to surrender.
V
@Anonymous 21:30:
The short answer is that Moscow wants to avoid further sanctions. Sanctions hurt Russian oligarchs, and unfortunately, they still have power in Moscow. Another reason might be that Putin still hopes to win Germany over.
Harry’s concern trolling is getting tedious. And his remark “I do support Russia in general” is downright offensive.
As for Saker’s post: Colonel Cassad suggested that a reason why the Ukies are holding out at the airport may be that, because they have good defenses, the rebels cannot gain full control of the airport without suffering high casualties. Losing one resistance fighter damages the resistance more than losing one Ukie fighter damages the Ukie army.
As for the Polish mercenaries, there was a report that they have surrendered.
Dear Saker,
One thing going through my mind, is that you forgot the external reason for the ukies keeping the AirPort.
It may be that the origional reason was to secure the AirPort as a landing point for troops and once the region was taken by the ukies, that the oil companies could come in for there Shell gas fracking operations. The same that is happening right now outside the other city.
And if the ukies at the AirPort lost communications from outside, they would not. have known About the retreat possibillity.
Gibson
Dear Saker,
On a different note, my thoughts in MH17.
A deal was made by Dutch goverment and the elites
That the Dutch will cover up the investigation in the plane crash, and for in return they gave Frans Timmermans a seat on the new EU goverment.
think About that cookie
Gibson.
Does anyone here sense that the situation in Ukraine, as fraught as it is likely to be this winter, is going to become an issue of lesser importance?
The global gyroscope appears to be wobbling.
From Mozgovoi’s video (linked by Gayle, above)
“Because as I told it before: those white Kamazes [ed. official RF humanitarian aid convoys] for some reasons don’t reach those, who need them the most
2:46
— It really surprised people
2:48
Everyone thought that white Kamazes are salvation”
So. Some of that official Russian aid is going where? to the black market? to “officials” who distribute it to their friends? May this have something to do with the voentorg being closed?
n the donation page, a small red link under the big list of Russian bank branches leads to a list of the kind of equipment they’re buying. Includes gear for the soldiers, children’s clothing for the orphanage, and a lot of medicines for the hospital. They’re videoing everything as evidence that they got the right things and giving them to the right people.
Saker excellent and clear analysis of the military situation that clarifies the actual political condition.
This has always been a fight between Russia and the USA by US proxies. The US has retreated to its Southern front — the Middle East, Iran is its obsession there, but the objective now is to break the Eurasian nexus to the Middle East by turning it into chaos.
It should be clear that Israel is not determining this policy, but the petro-dollar central alliance with Suadi Arabia which Israel has served.
The key to all this is not military victories, but Russia selling a lot of Gas for Roubles and Euros.
It is the petro-dollar that this depends upon.
It might interest those who dont know yet but to finish off the mercenaries who went underground at the airport Motorola”s guys flooded the bunkers with kerosene and applied a match :) Payback for those who lost their lives at Odessa and a more than fitting end to them. “Karma is indeed a bitch” as Saker would say. As an ex military man who has actually used weapons in anger it was the sensible solution . Enough brave militia lost their lives taking the airport as it is .
Bob
German news are writing this ( translated with google):
“Bundeswehr prepares for combat
The Bundeswehr is to support the OSCE in Ukraine according to a report . Therefore, German paratroopers preparing to use . 200 soldiers are scheduled for drone operations […] The Bundeswehr is after a media report the use of combat troops in eastern Ukraine . German paratroopers were preparing in Seedorf in Bremen preparing to secure the OSCE in monitoring the ceasefire in the conflict area , reported the ” bild.de ” on Friday , without naming sources”
welt.de; http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article132903547/Bundeswehr-bereitet-sich-auf-Kampfeinsatz-vor.html ; (4.10.2014)
it has always seemed odd that the ukie forces are referred to as the “punishers”…..i would think that it is word that can’t be translated correctly…..after all who is getting the punishment….thats right….its the ukies that are being punished!!!!they are the ones getting their asses beat!!!!not the other way round…..and the reason theses idiots are hiding in the airport is they know what they have been doing and are now going to receive the punishment!!!!death….they are afraid to surrender because of what the victors will do to them in revenge!!!
Anonymous at 23:46
I took your lead and read several German, Austrian and Swiss newspapers and blog which carried the account. It seems that the German Fallschrimjäger of today are boys playing with deadly toys, namely drones which are to allegedly to help monitor the cease fire, with 150 paratroops operating the drones and fifty guarding them. Yet, a quick look at the blogs associated with these articles shows that the vast majority of the Germans who post there are absolutely against the move. Frau Merkel has gained no love because of this move; yet again, she is a traitor to Germany and moves as her Marionettenmeister wish her to.
I suggest there are many possible reasons some of which other contributors have posited.
To look at it from a wider strategic perspective including semiotics, the opponents at the political level could be trying to create an Alamo myth – since those active hope/realise that the “struggle” will likely be of long duration.
To facilitate this at the local level a combination of building on prior propaganda, a reminder of the likely fate of various defenders given “atrocities” for which they may be held responsible, plus increasing propaganda support remotely whilst simultaneously covertly undermining any escape and/or peaceful resolution, may suffice.
Perhaps not so stupid, although to military analysts sometimes appearing as so.
Some of the recent – last 4 days or so – “news” and “opinion” mood music/output on 1+1 and Kanal 5 – Poroshenko’s TV station – could be interpreted as preparation for such strategies.
The main clue is in the name “Mercenaries”; such folks are, imho, highly unlikely to fight to the death. Why would they? Would you? The explanation of the diehard resistance of the Junta forces at Donetsk airport must lie elsewhere, I believe.
I’ve followed the NAF struggle to take the Donetsk airport. You need to remember, the Ukies had thousands of troops, maybe 2-4 thousands with tanks and many modern weapons. The NAF was fighting battles on all fronts. Even a big NAF push on the airport might never exceed 700 men total. Now, you can’t expect 700 brave men to ripe 2-3 thousand heavily armed men in concrete buildings with many tunnels and basements. I think NAF did very well taking the airport piece by piece and trying to avoid taking heavy losses. Think again about the forces fighting there! Ukie were also many elite troops and mercenaries. The NAF attacking with several hundreds of men did very, very well!
I concur with the other commenters. If there were Americans, Brits or South Africa mercs with no real reason to fight to the death Stalingrad style they would’ve evacuated days ago before the rebels tightened the noose around the airport when escape at night was a real possibility. Dont’ forget too the Ukie diaspora in Canada which may have produced a few fighters with Canadian passports determined to fight to the death.
Now the NAF have probably acquired night vision scopes and brought in more troops under Motorola to finish the job, so there’s little hope of escape even with the NAF attackers initially having inferior numbers. Only Polish or Balt mercs raised with hatred of Russians in their mother’s milk would be willing to stand and die with the most fanatical Ukie troops for that airport — and a dead Polish merc, wearing a Ukie uniform with a burned passport is indistinguishable from a dead Ukie. This is how I respond to the frequent question ‘well if the Poles are fighting for Ukraine in their hundreds why haven’t any of them been caught?’ Maybe they’re just very good at not getting caught or do most of their military work safely behind what they think are Ukraine’s front lines and only the strike recon groups like in Kharkov region well behind Ukie lines manage to surprise and kill them.
Yes there is an extensive tunnel complex under the airport — no other way the Ukies would’ve been able to keep shelling from the airport for so long if their shells had been near the surface one incoming inaccurate GRAD round from the NAF in Donetsk suburbs and the city proper would’ve blown the whole pile sky high by now. But I see no evidence that the tunnels run all the way to Ukie-held territory, and as Saker said the Ukies have to be running low on ammo, food and now manpower with so many NAF infantry shooting at them with RPGs and mortars at point blank range. Snipers are deadly and can hold off a superior force for a very long time, but they cannot survive when their positions get pinpointed for accurate arty, tank or mortar fire.
What I want to know is — what the hell is going on with Merkel sending German Bundeswehr troops to ‘protect OSCE observers’ in Donbas? What’s that all about?
In reply to Michael Droy, from a fellow American (or Anglosphere inhabitant) 03 October, 2014 22:14
You lost Afghanistan, Iraq, and Libya. Kosovo is a mafia-infested hellhole, hardly a model, but then again you can chalk that up as a victory for the Empire since the Russians Serb little brothers got ethnically cleansed out of there, right?
The US is losing petrodollar hegemony. It is losing China, though you’re gloating for now because the Chinese haven’t taken the bait of another Tienenmien with the Hong Kong kids, instead it’s letting them simmer and dividing the protest leaders while increasing the steady drip of proof the State Dept./USAID/NED/IRI usual suspects funded the whole thing. When the Chinese serve the dish of revenge, they’ll serve it cold, probably in a way Washington did not expect, at a time and place of their choosing.
Russia’s ruble is hurting, but devaluation of the ruble also in the short run makes Russian manufactured goods more competitive in export markets.
And finally, perhaps most importantly, the Empire on behalf of which you gloat is losing Germany. Maybe not today, tomorrow, or next year, but I can watch these Die Anstalt videos mocking NATO propaganda claims and know that the day of reckoning is not far off. And it won’t even involve the Germans kicking out US military bases, not initially, but dump the dollar they will and arrest NSA and CIA station chiefs well before that they will do too. When Germany goes toward Eurasia it will be just as devastating for the US fiat empire as Poland was pulling away from the Soviet grip after 1979 — an event the Empire won’t survive in the long run. But at least gun owning, God fearing American Patriots like me will get a small piece of our Republic back. And if your masters are stupid enough to try and take our guns, a war against millions of Americans will be the last war the three letter agencies ever fight. You’d be amazed after the first drone strike on a ‘right wing domestic extremist gun owner’ how quickly some ambitious National Guard Colonel could overrun the NSA’s giant facility at Bluffdale and arrest its commanders for treason, just to name one example of what Civil War 2.0 would look like. So I wouldn’t keep gloating so much if I were you.
When the nazis go on the offensive again, maybe as rumoured on the 8th of October, will Putin open the Voentorg to supply them then, or are they Novorossians now completely on their own against the kiev junta?
Petraeus @ 03 October, 2014 20:53
You have it backwards as usual. It’s the Ukrainian military not the Russian that has been covering up thousands of combat deaths. A cover up I can tell you Western media is slowly becoming aware of even if they are still complicit in it. When Ukrainian journalists for Channel 5 are asking why the Ukie Defense Minister insists Ilovaisk casualties are classified, that should tell you something. Ukraine has lost 8,000-10,000 combat deaths, and after this airport battle is over it will have lost a thousand more.
You think the troops being concentrated in one place gives them the chance to bleed the NAF? No, it gives the NAF a chance to make a low level pass with the Ukie Su-25 they captured and napalm any remaining defenders on the surface or Motorola the opportunity to burn them out of those rat holes using the ample stocks of avgas/Kerosene located on the airport premises. The Ukie whines on Twitter tonight of ‘GAS!’ being used against their troops are just confusion about good ole’ fashion ‘smoking em’ out of their holes’ to use a Dubyaism.
It is hard to feel sympathy for Ukie fanatics who thought they would get away with shelling a city of half a million at random from the airport, they’re getting what they deserve.
If the Russian military had seriously wanted the NAF to take Mariupol they would’ve done it. And they would’ve put Mikael Skillt and the other SS regalia wearing Azov Battalion Nazis up against the wall to avenge the people they murdered on May 9 in that city.
Saker is perfectly correct—the only rational purpose of forces trapped at the airport is to massacre civilians, pointless but bestial.
But I also would not dare suppose the defenders are not mercenaries but Goy hating enemy aliens against humanity from every country. Their suicidal perseverance describes their unity in specifically Judaic despair. The definitive talmudist never rats on his fictional tribe: he is predestined to Hell because his blood got divinely cursed at the Crucifixion; that is not his fault; that is God’s fault!
This absurdity is the sub-terrainian terror that intrinsically evil Judaism inflicts upon Jews.
Yes airport is almost taken over finally(what resistance is left in underground stores/rooms/corridors).But at what cost of people of Novorossia?Lots of fighters have died during its attack and west supported animals till very end kept shelling Donetsk despite having very little heavy equipment left.Besides still lots of artillery is in Peski/Avdeevka and can be use(and will be use) to shell west part of city.Take it as wish-i`m reading reports in russian net actually according to unannounced parts of those shamefull Minsk 1.0 and 2.0 airport,Peski and Avdeevka supposed to be handed back to NAF and NAF should pulled out from Mariupol and leave some villages there(as they did)but once again Kiev renegaded at its promises.Debaltsevo according to those reports will be for Kiev.But from the looks of it lots of NAF commanders and soldiers are against of Minsk 1.0 and 2.0 so probably after airport fighting will continue for Peski/Avdeevka and further north/northwest and to the east-for Debalcevo.This is the reason most probably for closing down voentorg in its military part.I know Saker dislike people like me and calling us Putin-bashers.But in fact we do care for NAF/DNR/LNR/Novorossya.But it is obvious what is good for Russia does not mean is good for the above mentioned.As one poster has said it-100 % betrayal is impossible,but 80% is entirely possible.And it is in full speed right now-just for 10-15 min tonight checking russian language sites and tweets.
Lukashenko-I do not understand project”Novorossya”
Russian FSB is opening a case against site sputnikipogrom for collecting help for Novorossya.
One of those who helping ppl of Donbass from months Александр Жучковский also reporting problems for deliveries.
A storage with items for Donbas(from my memory in Rostov) had an unexpected visit from russian police and FSB.
2000 winter kits bought with the help of Strelkov sitting over 2 weeks in Rostov and cannot be delivered cause of problems.
Plohoi Soldat(in charge of DNR intelligence) answering question about volunteers-numbers are down and various obstruction being put before people willing to come and fight for Donbass
Frankly is quite bad reading such news-looks like there will be some kind of deal at the end most probably at the expense of people who suffer most -people of Donbass and they will be forced to live together with murderers,lunatics and brainwashed population.
From other hand looks like Kharkov judging from news from last days might explode very soon.Hopefully there are people from DNR/LNR already there helping them.
Lots of various info for Russian plans for economy,lots of various ideas and proposals.Some look very interesting.But as always traitors doing their best to obstruct them.MoF,Central Bank,various officials…5th and 6th column working together.Hopefully implementation of whatever plans and reforms are needed will be successfull despite them.And frankly Russia was in need of reforms even before the sanction.Country and its people have great great potential.Yes they are moving ahead,they do have success but can be achieve much more.Often wondering why Russia not copying and adapting what China is doing in economy.
And at the end recommending if have time listen to this version of Russian Federation hymn – i like it very much http://tinyurl.com/n73gkun
Anonymous said “A deal was made by Dutch goverment and the elites
That the Dutch will cover up the investigation in the plane crash, and for in return they gave Frans Timmermans a seat on the new EU goverment.”
Where is the logic in this? I can see the Dutch wanting a seat on the EU Government, fine. But who in the EU gains anything by the MH17 being covered up? NONE OF THEM DID IT.
The ongoing investigation is an AVIATION one (not seeking who shot it down) and has 9 or 10 other participants, all of whom have full access to the detailed findings and a chance to comment on the report and influence its final form. So the Dutch can’t make deals about it on their own anyway.
Perhaps they can do something like not doing a criminal investigation, but making deals about that implies that they, and the people they’re making deals with, already KNOW the result. You can’t do a cover up unless there’s something known to cover.And then it has to be something you don’t want known, ie something you were involved in. Which EU was NOT.
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(other?) anonymous with “Bundeswehr prepares for combat” — that is a suitable article for taking with a big dose of salt. Troops sent as peacekeepers/safeguard monitors are not “combat” so they are exaggerating. Besides OSCE seems happy as they are, and have not asked for security. They’d also have to be approved by the Ukraine government, who right now wold not be wanting to be seen inviting in ANY foreign troops, they are going to be in enough embarrassment over the Polish mercenaries just captured at Donetsk airport.
I have a few speculations.
When NAF does take the airport I think they’re gonna find some awful scenes. I have little doubt that within the catacombs of the airport will be evidence of crimes much worse than anything found in Odessa. These will be Polish war crimes committed against Russians and that has a special significance. I have always found the attitude of some Poles shocking with respect to Russians. Here I’m thinking not about common people but of Polish nobility, a Judeo-Catholic cult of victimhood and supremacy like none other. These so-called defenders are steeped in a culture most of us would be unable to recognize outside of hell.
Somehow they’ve convinced themselves this is a seige of biblical proportions and they are the defenders of Masada. I would speculate their internal culture is no different from that of the biblical zelots. These are biblical archetypes and they resonate.
I know the Russians have thermobaric weapons. They could clean out the airport tomorrow. Again it’s only speculation but it is possible Russia wants to preserve the scene of a major war crime.
As for the NAF, I don’t blame them for not wasting precious human lives trying to kill the walking dead. Let ’em rot and let the Ukies continue to send men to their death in an effort to resupply.
NAF mustn’t let their guard down. This is prime ground for a NATO airborne operation. The NATO cult of Sol Inviticus probably sees this as hallowed ground. It might seem unlikely at present but I have no doubt that someone is plannig something at Nazi HQ. I would even go so far as to speculate on the possibility a tactical nuke might be used and be blamed on the Russians. A lot could still happened given a sudden change in circumstances, say, like a ‘suprise’ Russian advance from across the border.
New report by Boris Rozhin (Colonel Cassad) … to sum it up, using a mild language, Moscow (pursuing its fata morgana of oligarchic appeasement) is actively putting Novorossiya in a very difficult position.
The pro-junta Minsk Agreement allowed the junta to achieve a huge build-up around Debaltzevo, which has become a deep bridgehead in between the Donetsk and Lugansk Republics, and the Army of Novorossiya was forced into a very costly and bloody action against the Donetsk airport, which, together with the nearby Pesky, the junta was supposed to cede in accordance with the Minsk delineation, which the Kiev regime, however, disregarded.
The “Voyenotorg” has been, indeed, closed. Moscow is this strangling Novorossiya.
At the end of August, Mariupol could have, indeed, been easily taken–had not the Kremlin ordered otherwise.The junta had no heavy weapons and no combat ready troops. During the “truce,” the Kiev regime managed to turn Mariupol into a well defended area, which cannot be now taken.
El Murid’s information about the anti-Novorosssiya conduct of Moscow’s general Lentsov in Gorlovka is also confirmed.
PS: If you care, you can look up the photos from the latest session of Russia’s Security Council which was held this week. At the picture, you might see how nearly all the people are sitting there with eyes down, avoiding each other’s direct eye contact.
https://vk.com/strelkov_info?w=wall-57424472_21542
Igor Strelkov speaks out:
– the signed Minsk Agreement negatively affects the fate of the people of Novorossiya and the fate of the Russian people in Ukraine
– to call elections in the conditions of the war is a great mistake, if not a deliberate weakening and disintegration of the people who rose up against the enemy who is mastering his forces
– elections were organized to legitimate appointments of Zakharchenko, Plotnitsky and others–who agreed to the Minsk agreement
– Vladislav Surkov will guarantee abuse of assistance as as he did it in the past (i.e., in South Ossetia)
– it is a great shame that Novorosssiya was not supported the way Crimea was
– for Strelkov, the shameful result in the form of the Minsk Agreement is “a personal tragedy;”
– Aleksey Mozgovoy has Strelkov’s unconditional trust
– an attempt to betray and fold Novorossiya has been attempted; the attempt could not even be hidden and became obvious
– Strelkov cannot unfortunately return to Novorossiya–Russian authorities don’t allow him to.
– criminals and traitors parceled the country in 1991
– a war against Russia has already been effectively declared
– fighting for Novorossiya means to fight for Russia
https://vk.com/strelkov_info?w=wall-57424472_21569
from Alexander Mercouris via Jon Hellevig fb page
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Jon Hellevig makes some essential economic points. To anyone concerned about the fall of the rouble just see what he says. The weakening of the rouble over the last few weeks has little to do with sanctions and far more to do with the fall in oil prices, oil being Russia’s big export. Letting the rouble fall has enabled Russia to keep both its budget and its trade balance in healthy surplus.
There is a cost in that the weaker rouble is leading to higher domestic inflation but once the situation in the oil market stabilises and the one off spike in food prices caused by the import ban is ironed out, inflation should fall rapidly with monetary inflation now running at no more than 5%.
The locals held the mercenaries inside the airport until the professional troops could find time to visit and eliminate the nazi threat at the airport.
Saker, off the perch and into the thermals. For the NAF, I see two possibities.
First, perhaps they were looking ahead to some of the realistic possibilities for the future, such as a situation frozen in place or a belated Minsk-like ceasefire.
Second, who are we talking about? OPLOT, was it? Maybe somebody wanted to wage the political wars wearing the laurels?
Cassandra
Japan. Fascism. Video of some Canadian guy dumb/brave enough to speak out at a shrine to war criminals in Japan.
It reminds me of Kiev, Odessa, Kharkov, Mariupol right now.
Does anyone know why military maps .info in now offline? also, I checked there earlier today and all four of the remaining mini-caldrons disappeared off the maps. Were they finished off, surrendered, or long since gone away?
The long held position of the remnants of the 24 and 25 brigades was especially hard to believe given the isolation from resupply – even with surviving on worms and tree bark! I was expecting them to all die of pneumonia or starvation.
There may be more to this than meets the eye. Not sure I want to know too much and certainly do not want the Ukies to get any ideas.
Not sure what’s happening here. They have a lot of people with SPARTA badges,which is Ukie? but everyone puts on white rag armbands and go off on a Ukie tank to look for wounded.
This is titled Russian mercenaries at the airport, but….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABuQ8NbWaYE
and another (in this they find/have a kitten, too)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXzR3BwQxho&feature=youtu.be
How will german troopers feel when they encounter Orkrainian Nazis with SS runes on their helmets?
Year ago I read Anthony Beevor’s Stalingrad. It was gripping. Twice I bought it, lent it out and never got it back.
I might see it differently now but it told the story of the siege of Stalingrad from both the German and Russian perspective. I know Russian critics hated it and probably for good reason although it’s too far down the memory hole for me to comment on this aspect.
One passage I remember concerned certain SS units who held out past the liberation and lauched a final suicidal attack on a large group of Russians celebrating the victory. The Russian who described the incident could not understand why these guys would hold out so long only to die in such a pointless endeavor.
It all comes back to one thing: know your enemy. When it comes to Polish Nazi volunteers, these are bonafide psychopaths. The common understanding of normal people does not apply.
Anonymous 03 October, 2014 23:46:
“Bundeswehr prepares for combat”
Basically confirmed on dradio public radio (quasi official). 8-(
Merkel finally gone mad.
Gazprom, please cut off the pipeline!!!
An anonymous German gas consumer
Colonel Cassad insists that as for october 3rd all supplies and help for NAF has been cut, and that the last arrangements of the ceasefire front were perjuditial to NAF, as demanded by Gen. Lantsov, of the RF.
So it seems that Surkov is having its wishes done, and Putin -no bashing implied- is not opposing him. Unless himself is running the “ceasefire”…
Very ugly, if this Cassad is not lying, and Elmurid likewise, it all boils down to an arrangement of the spoils of NR by the oligarchs of RF and Ukr., which are so tangled as to make undiscernable which side is which.
Germans are a tool of the USA.
not even a sovereign country.
so sending German troops is unacceptable by NAF. And, of course these drones would be used to report directly to Kiev forces positions and troop movements!
The airport seems to have been a soviet era command post because it seems to have soviet era bunkers. Maybe why their built the airport there in the first place. Lots of underground storage space. It is an expensive place to take and seems over 50 NAF soldiers died just to take part of it. The ukies also fired through the roof of the buildings so they did not even bother to look where they were firing. And most of them died when the roof caved in and not by the NAF attack.. So the soviet bunks must also have had chemical and bio weapon filters so gassing them would not be an option. Airports always have very good fire suppression systems so unless you can get some extra US army flame throwers and go room to room cant burn them out either. And most of the original occupiers seem to have been Polish and an American unit. The Americans broke out months ago. Why the poles are staying is perplexing. Why didn’t they break out with the Americans? Has any US army major died in combat since Vietnam? I know a few pilots who were shot down over Iraq who were used as excuses to attack Iraq again to free them from captivity from desert graves. Its still crazy that someone hold out onto a useless piece of land because it is the center of things. Maybe to show that they have things under control like what Hitler tried to do even when losing everything.
talking off crazy, just saw on RT that the ukies are saying the gas transit through Ukraine dont follow EU regulations so should not be allowed. What ever that means.
Ukraine insists transit of Russian gas to Europe should be revised
Agreements stipulating deliveries of Russian gas to Europe via Ukraine should be revisited, as they don’t comply with EU standards, insists Ukraine’s Energy Minister Yuri Prodan.
“The process of revising the transit contract will be conducted surely, as the current contract does not comply with the European standards,” Prodan said in Brussels on Friday.
Saker.
Once again you are stretching yourself out to justify every move Moscow makes no matter how good or bad the result. Shutting down the counteroffensive when it was at it’s peak and the Ukro forces were crapping their pants in a full cascade collapse, was a mistake. Period.
You can paint lipstick on a pig all you like, but in the end, that pig will keep looking like Yulia Tymoshenko (if the site of unclean 50 something foul smelling Nympho-pervert doesn’t turn your stomach, I don’t know what will).
Shutting down the NAF counter-offensive was a mistake from a Novorossiya POV, but less so for Putin. I repeat my earlier contention: It is not in Russia’s interest that Eastern Ukraine merge with Russia or secede entirely from Ukraine (the reasons are economic, sociological and electoral, as well as geopolitical). It is in Russia’s interest to have Eastern Ukraine keep ALL of Ukraine out of the hands of those EU fascists in Brussels. That said, Putin should have allowed the NAF to hammer and decimate the JRF for a few days more to really crush them and demolish the Ukrostani propaganda machine’s ability to hide the truth from those emotional idiots that comprise the EU-phile monkey population of Western Ukraine. It would have left both Russia and the NAF in a much stronger position without compromising Russia’s interests. So the move to cut-short the counter-offensive was not optimum, but it was not failure either.
I compliment you on your astute observations regarding the Ukrainian mindset, pointing out that Ukraine is an artificial state created by various EuroEmpires to serve their geopolitical interests as well as the term Banderastan. It lead me observe that exactly same can be said of Pakistan, another unsustainable artificial state created by EuroEmpires to serve their geopolitical interests. A state fuelled by artificial hatred of their own kin and civilization (India in the case of Pakistan and Russia in the case of the Ukraine) and run by warlord oligarches. Both states are stupid enough to believe they can take on their much more powerful neighbour, both are willing to whore themselves to greater powers to maintain their fiefdom. So your coining the term Banderastan might have been a subliminal epiphany or liminal stroke of genius: Ukraine, Europe’s/Russia’s Pakistan; “stan” indeed.
Wrap up situation
http://www.forbiddenknowledgetv.com/videos/geopolitics/clarity-in-the-court-of-hell—part-1.html
http://www.forbiddenknowledgetv.com/videos/criminal-mainstream-media/clarity-in-the-court-of-hell—part-2.html
@ krolichem
ignore the rabid ravings of this guy, his maps seem okay
http://02varvara.wordpress.com/tag/donetsk/
militarymaps does seem to be offline,let’s see how long for. And let’s start recording everything that disappears off line. Has anyone found out what’s the story behind Cassad in English disappearing?
@Observer:Once again you are stretching yourself out to justify every move Moscow makes no matter how good or bad the result. Shutting down the counteroffensive when it was at it’s peak and the Ukro forces were crapping their pants in a full cascade collapse, was a mistake. Period.
Period? Just “period”. That is your argument-substitute? Or is it your substantiation to be found in your next paragraph? Let’s see:
You can paint lipstick on a pig all you like, but in the end, that pig will keep looking like Yulia Tymoshenko (if the site of unclean 50 something foul smelling Nympho-pervert doesn’t turn your stomach, I don’t know what will).
I am sick and tired of ignorant and plain stupid folks who offer no arguments, no logical analysis, nothing but empty statements and who compensate their total lack of substance with hyperbole and slogans. Since when does “Urko forces were crapping their pants” serve as an analysis of anything? And when you write Putin should have do X, Y or Z, did you ever consider adding a little something beginning with “because” and then provide some kind of model, a theory, a hypothesis, a rationale – stuff based on, you know, facts and processed in a logical way, with assumptions and implications carefully evaluated.
There are plenty of blogs where a comment like yours will get in a standing ovation – why don’t you post them there? Why would you even bother reading, nevermind posting on, a blog whose author basically justifies whatever Moscow does? Pack your certitudes and your short slogans and just let the rest of us do our thing (you can thin of it as “Putin worship” if you want) in peace, ok?
The Saker
The determination of the scum holding the airport while everything becomes increasingly hopeless strongly suggests we’re actually dealing with Psheks here. Most likely, their Western sponsors have promised them a mega-sized nude poster of JP II if they can hold their ground till the war is over. Fascists, by contrast, are cowards. The Psheks at the airport are simply burning with anticipation (or, perhaps, kerosene).
Humour aside, if I were the NAF commander in charge, I would take action according to the following strategy:
A Katyn a day
Should keep Pshek-scum at bay
Let’s pretend for a minute that NAF got the extra push ad went through to… let’s go the whole hog, through to Transnistria. THEN WHAT?
* they are in a position to demand independence or federation
* the demoralised west, which now hates them even more, is broke and beaten and can’t help them at all
* they don’t have the expertise to run a country, especially having to start RIGHT NOW
* people on both sides would freeze and starve to death wile they negotiate how to split up shared things like power and railways etc.
If they’d gone through to Kiev, and assuming that means the whole country falls to them, then?
* they save arguing about how to split up the infrastructure
* they have police and laws in place, which can be administered sensibly and fairly until AT LEISURE they’re changed, properly thought through
BUT to be really legit they’d have to hold ELECTIONS and
* they don’t have enough decent people to stand
* they have a country half of which hates their guts and will make trouble at every turn
So they had to stop where they were. Kiev can balance the airport defeat against the “fact” that it was the rebels who broke the ceasefire. So Kiev comes out looking beaten but honest. And they did NOT slaughter the ones who gave up, so that takes away some of the hatred from the general population.
The need to stop NOW showing images of NAF soldiers tortured etc. They need to just show all mass graves, torture victims etc, to the WORLD ORGANISATIONS, various branches of the UN. And do full documentation; they do already have their own press and film units. Spend 2 weeks cleaning up. Get Red Cross to find out hows many of them are POWs or prisoners and demand them back. Release any they are holding, free.
Then in the week of the elections, come out with a report on numbers of graves and bodies found. A list of their prisoners they’ve not got back yet. PHOTOS of the appearance of those they do get back, if ill treated. In other words stop the propaganda, just show the truth. Just in time to make Poro and co. look bad for the elections, give the more moderate ones a chance to get elected.
Forget the politicians. I’s the PEOPLE who have to learn to trust again, if Ukraine’s ever going to make it. Behaving decently, while showing how many lies their government was telling them, would make them a bit better accepted by the rest of the country. And having “lost” lets the others save face, a VERY important factor they can’t have had by pushing through to Odessa or Kiev.
If there’s good evidence of the foreigners at the airport – and they need to get solid proof – that blows up the US/EU “Russian invasion” nonsense. The Nazi sektors should soon make themselves hated enough to lose any world backing, so the UN organs would be free to concentrate om THEIR atrocities, as no government in its right mind would want them around rioting every week, once they’re in power.
So come Spring 2015 there should be a still separated country but where the two halves actually talk to each other, with reasonable freedom of expression. And by then let’s see who’s doing the better, the ones getting help from the east or from the west?
– better go back to sleep now and keep dreamin’ ….
Dear Saker,
@Kat Kan.
Thats exactly my point and it is logical if you think iT through. The Dutch, EU and US exactly know that MH17 was shoot down by the Ukies and if that came out, the people of Holland would be outraged and would want justice. Because thats what there prime minster has been stating since the crash. That they would not. rest till justice was done and the people responsible put behind bars.
So the west knows exactly what happend, that the Ukies shoot down the plane, they dont want this to come out, so no information has been given, like real radar images, radio communications, and so.
The Dutch goverment also know this and the used this crissis for there bennifit. They would beary the results of the investigation into the crash and in return get a powerfull position in the new EU goverment.
As a sort of back-up clause they all signed an agreement which gave each country a veto right for the information to be released in the report.
And the real deal here is, cover up the truth, and Dutch get more influence in the EU.
Dont forget that this new position didnt exist before. It was specially made for Frans Timmermans, who before the ellection was not even mentioned or known.
The EU strongest leaders are Germany, France and Italy. Holland doesnt and has never held a strong position in the EU. Now they do.
They pre report about the crash contained nothing new and not even pointing a finger at the possible collprits.
So everbody wins in this scenario. The Dutch get a powerfull possition in the EU, the Ukies dont get blammed for the murder, the US companies and NGO’s dont loose there plan for Ukraine and the plans can continue as if nothing happend.
That seems the case, the plan crash doesnt get any notice in the papers anymore, no news, no nothing. And it quietly is pushed under the rug.
And as i said, its just my thoughts about this.
@Saker, keep up the good work, i respect allways tour insight and thank you for what you do every day.
Everybody have a good day and keep safe.
Gibson
@American Kulak:
About the causalities, I believe that UA casualty figures pretty much accurate, it would be extremely difficult to hide 7000 extra death, what is highly exaggerated is the casualties which they claim they inflected on NAF and RU military, I usually divide those numbers by 10. About NAF and RU losses I am not aware of any report coming from NAF and RU denies all involvement so it will take some time before we got an idea how many soldiers they lost.
If it is so easy to “smoke them” why they trying to capture the airport with infantry? Why they fight and bleed for month?
The Russian military could take the whole of Ukraine, militarily true, but they can not do it because of political and economical reasons, not even mentioning their home front. Also is one thing to take the territory but occupation is much more complicated issue, they just simple have not enough soldier to occupy Ukraine. Russia has not enough power to hold more territory than it holds now.
Why these Nazi death squads, supposing that they are mainly right sector freaks, didn´t take the opportunity to flee is just mind blowing. They are well beyond any kind of agreement by now, they are big time murderers and terrorists even by some of their own standards, knowing that dying on the spot under Grad fire would probably be better than the destiny that awaits them if they are captured.
Mikhas.
1)Direct fire support from across the Russian border.. Is there proof of this ? As the way you write it you make it look like a proven fact,and it is not.
2) Leave through a corridor : was clearly offered only to the draft soldiers that where forced to fight, not the volunteer batalions,and very correctly if i may add.
3) The ceasfire is the best thing that happened for Russia for many reasons namely: 1)cuts the presume from the U.S to E.U for more sanctions against her. 2)Gives enough time to orginize popular resistance in other parts of Novorussia 3)Keeps the ‘Neutral Uks’ from turning totaly anti-Russian 4) The less deaths the better it is for everyone as a basic rule .
Now for why these Soldiers do not surrender: could be because they are afraid to after all of the atrocities they have commited. Or could they be hiding something, i frankly can not understand it. It does seem very weird though…
“Putin the Great”
Support for Putin is extremely widespread in China…
A poll by In Touch Today, an online news service run by China’s Tencent Holdings Ltd., put Mr. Putin’s approval rating at 92%.
“Putin’s personality is impressive—as a man, as a leader. Chinese people find that attractive.
“Putin is a bold and decisive leader of a great power, who’s good at achieving victory in a dangerous situation,” said Maj. Gen. Wang Haiyun, a former military attaché to Moscow, in an interview with the Chinese website of the Global Times newspaper.
“These features are worthy of our praise and learning. Russia has been a great world power for hundreds of years and a superpower in the bi-polar order: It’s much more skilled than us at playing great power games.”
Guess Indians and Chinese have very positive image and a high approval rating for Putin, even higher than in Russia. So it is only the Russians who dont like the Chinese or Indians. So if Russia can not use this advantage against the US then it is no one else’s fault.
Very good point Alien Tech. If Russians don’t like Indians and Chinese and their alleged attitudes end up alienating these countries and their intelligencia, then Russia’s resultant failure and defeat wiill be their own fault (Russia is too weak and has too small a population base to standup to the Western Juggernaut without the support of India and China, both of these BRIC Asian Giants dwarf Russia in terms of real (actual purchasing power and productive capacity) GDP, Industrial Capacity, Micro-Electronics Technology, and, in the long run, military potential)
Your point is So true, i do believe that Russia has a deep white-supremacist problem as well, certain organs of The Russian State have encouraged the development of Neo-Nazis (you may have noticed that Russian soccer ‘fans’ have banned from UEFA games recently for vicious, hysterical racist behaviour.) Perhaps that’s why the West chose to use Ukrainian Neo-Nazis to attack ethnic Russians ( as a warning and to give some of the more extreme nationalist elements in Russia and their diaspora a taste of their medicine).
Who will take POW’s after this?
Rossiya-24 TV reported that friendly forces found the bodies of three VSN tank crewmen near the Donetsk airport terminal. The Rossiya-24 correspondent noted that the junta troops beat, abused, and tortured them before killing them.
Blogger Kat Kan said…04 October, 2014 01:19
“Which EU was NOT. “
Prejudgement aka as prejudice is a form of self-imposed blindness in analysis.
Why “Which EU was NOT” ?
Why “NONE OF THEM DID IT. ” ?
Many are stating that Donetsk airport junta forces are mostly foreigners so can’t leave and have to die.
I think it’s wrong and they are also given the possibility to lay weapons down and get a safe passage.
It looks rather like they are experimented fighters on a mission to bleed NAF forces and keep terrorizing remaining Donetsk area civils to make impossible recovery and return to a more normal life in that most important part of the “special status” zone.
The West threat of increased sanctions if Donetsk airport was to be taken by the NAF is also significant and coherent with that.
Quote from C.Savoie PDF concerning manipulation worldwide .
“It has been an objective of the Rockefeller interests to gain
monopolistic control of every necessity of life and of every source of
energy, oil, gas, coal, water and wind power, electricity, atomic
energy and every source that exists or comes into being. Favored
by law, their fortune grows while others are wiped out. It is
doubtful if there exists enough money in the world to make their
wealth liquid.”
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XbNB
at this airport is something that has to be buried together with defenders, not to talk about morale issue for ukries or for naf,
second what i dont understand is ukr positions in peski which crucial for control of airport, or to say, naf never had complete control of airport ring…
Taking the airport is nearly impossible under current circumstances, because now the Ukies are in the bunkers and the NAF forces on top can be shelled relentlessly from the Ukies in the west of the airport.
So entering the bunker fast means running into a trap, but staying on top mean getting shelled by Artillery from the West…
NAF would need to destroy the western Ukie positions first and create a buffer of 40km or more to be safe from Artillery while trying to clean out the airport bunkers.
I hope this comment is seen for its own merit and not a stamp of approval from the Oceania Saker blog.
I believe The Saker is providing some grade A analysis here just like his informative piece on the Russian response. Coupled with what others like Glazyev and Khazin say, The Saker is most definitely charting the right course in my opinion.
Two key things I believe that keep getting overlooked by the public are:
1) This is simply not a mini-war. It is just the opening battle in a longer and possibly (hopefully not) more brutal war.
2) There are too many other factors to make simplistic judgements. For instance the role of the 5th column or that the status quo allowing for Novorossiya being technically still in Ukraine helps them and Russia.
I believe by being so polarized right now only aids in excluding other resistance fighters. In such wars we must embrace all resistance to evil and not divide the ranks. Otherwise we run the risk of writing books on the first few battles of what is a global crisis.
Interesting article:
http://euskalherriadonbas.wordpress.com/2014/09/29/una-tercera-guerra-mundial-para-redibujar-el-mapa-de-rusia/#more-1016
One brave, lone Jewish voice:
Ihor Kolomoiskyi is too radioactive. So we should Disavow.
Ukrainian big business tycoon may face expulsion from European Jewish organizations
“Russian-Israeli politician and journalist Avigdor Eskin has begun a sign-up campaign to collect the signatures of religious figures of authority“
It would be just fair if the Jewish community stripped him of all posts and expelled him from its organizations. For this we shall address them together with those whom they cannot but listen to. It is intolerable that our coreligionist gives money to people wearing chevrons with swastikas,” Eskin told the daily Izvestia.
He believes that the Jewish organizations in Europe, Russia and Israel should pay more attention to events in Ukraine.
Kolomoisky is the founder of the financial-industrial group Privat and governor of Ukraine’s Dnepropetrovsk Region. The battalions on his payroll are suspected of killings of civilians in the south-east of Ukraine. Last June Russia’s Investigative Committee put Kolomoisky on the international wanted list on charges of masterminding murder, using prohibited means and methods of warfare, impairing the activity of journalists, and abductions.
= = = = = =
A couple yards/meters of hemp hung from a large, tall oak tree is my suggestion. Expelling Ihor from organisations or taking him to the Hague is a waste.
AM
Why all these extravagant explanations? The reason DNR wants the airport is simple: We’re going to a transnistrian scenario, not a never ending war, and a big airport is a very valuable asset for the economy, even if the terminal is destroyed. As to Ukraine, they don’t need the airport for shelling Donetsk, as they control a very big area from which Donetsk can be shelled. But they don’t want the DNR to have the airport exactly because it would reinforce their future prospects.
Moreover, the ceasefire said that that everybody should stay where they were, so, giving the airport up would be very difficult to justify to the Ukrainian public.
I read counter punch because they give an idea from the point of view of sane Americans. Which seem to be decreasing every day. Also this article says Israel is warming to the idea of an Israel-India alliance, not sure how much more of an alliance they can be, India tested Israeli tactical nukes for them. India might disagree with how the Palestinians are treated but has learnt the hard lesson that every Muslim country will betray it when the going gets tough so why put yourself out for them when it gets tough for them? Until recently Terrorists who were responsible for bombings in India used to hide in the UAE and the Sandi’s would not even extradite known criminals wanted by Interpol. It has only very recently that the middle east nations saw just how powerful India was and to not annoy it so much. See no bark and everyone thinks you are a pussycat.. Same with Russia about not showing any teeth or rattling cages just makes the EU think they are dealing with their pet bear. Oh yea Israel wants an alliance with Russia as well and China.. I think Israel will become a BRICKS member too if only they get rid of netyahoo and his ilk..
OH YEA THIS GUY THINKS RUSSIA SHOULD GAS THE SUCKERS TOO.. I mean turn off the gas.. Although I dont think they should just yet, but there is a high probability that someone will blow up the pipelines the way things are going.
The US Hastens Its Own Decline and Israel’s Too
There are “get-out-of-jail-free” cards that come with superpower status, but they don’t always work.
Still, it is better to be a superpower than to be dependent on one as those get-out-of-jail-free cards lose their value.
This is why, bad as things now are in the Land of the Free, in the Promised Land they are worse.
The whole world therefore has cause to worry. Hell hath no more dangerous peril than a superpower in decline – except perhaps a declining superpower’s dependent.
No matter: for the Israelis, these are desperate times.
But even with God on its side, the ethnocracy may not always be so lucky.
They are right. There are only so many get-out-of-jail-free cards to be had, and when they’re gone, they’re gone.
Then the perils fall due. In the fifty-first state, even more than in the official fifty, reasons to be anxious just keep on coming.
This can spell bad news for the rest of the world: there is no telling what a superpower, or a superpower’s protégé, will do when cornered.
Israel will never cede an inch of Palestinian land voluntarily; and the IS will not be undone by Obama’s bombers and drones, or even by the “boots on the ground” that he will surely be sending to Iraq and Syria before long.
http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/10/03/the-anxieties-of-empire/
Off topic, but of cultural interest, I link to an article presenting a book of the Peruvian poet and journalist César Vallejo: “Reflections Russia in 1931 at the foot of the Kremlin”, where items product of his stay in the country over those years and his research and testimonies are collected.
I have not read it yet, but looks a promising must read for this fall for those who, like me, need to know more about the reality and history of our admired and beloved Russia.
As a summary the article´s author says about this book:
-…”Vallejo’s work consists of sixteen chapters, in which such diverse topics as what the socialist city and the city of the future, the Soviet work, state industry, socialist rationalization in contrast to capitalist anarchy are studied, the wage regime in the USSR, the economic hierarchy, literature, love, sports, theater, democracy, the Soviet family, cinema, education, or as seemingly serious ideological struggle between Trotskyism and Stalinism, and indifference of workers against this in the streets and factories of Russia. In this regard, it seems important that Vallejo writes, when he explains what the Soviets thought this subject workers against the manipulated information was then poured into the West, and also misunderstood belies the deification of leaders in socialist countries (however, be noted that still did not feel as close the great threat of the Nazi attack on the Soviet Union, and had not taken place the Moscow Trials, which begin later in 1936)”…
In Spanish, I hope you enjoy it:
http://cuestionatelotodo.blogspot.com.es/2014/10/reflexiones-al-pie-del-kremlin-cesar.html
1. Yes I guess the shelling of the airport is designed to attract attention and drag in forces against the airport.
Perhaps it will be exploded in the end, in an attempt to include as many NAFs as they can persuade.
2. Where wolf When it comes to Polish Nazi volunteers, these are bonafide psychopaths. The common understanding of normal people does not apply.
Yes – though not necessarily Nazi.
3. “American Kulak said…
In reply to Michael Droy, from a fellow American (or Anglosphere inhabitant) 03 October, 2014 22:14
You lost Afghanistan, Iraq, and Libya. Kosovo is a mafia-infested hellhole, hardly a model, but then again you can chalk that up as a victory for the Empire since the Russians Serb little brothers got ethnically cleansed out of there, right?”
I think you got confused between posters. You are probably aiming at Petraeus’s reply to me or mine to him
re: “Putin the Great.Support for Putin is extremely widespread in China…”
As I’m very interested in the Chinese culture (with a mixture of fear and hope) I found one sentence particularly interesting:
“These features are worthy of our praise and learning”
“Learning” is a very strong motivation with the Chinese. Any interesting system, teaching, science etc in their own or in another culture – they want it – they want to learn it to become stronger. That is why they do not respect intellectual property. And IMO that is one of the reasons why they are trying out Christianism – because they view the US as strong and Christianism is a motivating force there.
re: “Putin the Great. Support for Putin is extremely widespread in China”
As I’m very interested in the Chinese mindset (with a mixture of caution and hope) I found one sentence particularly interesting:
“These features are worthy of our praise and learning”
Now learning is a very strong motivation for the Chinese. Any interesting system, teaching, science etc they see in their own or in another culture, they want it – they want to learn it to become stronger. That is why they do not respect intellectual property. And that is IMO one of the reasons why they are trying out Christianism – because they view the US as strong and Christianism is an important motivating factor there.
About the Brazil elections: Mrs Dilma Roessef looks like a nice mother, while mrs Da Silva does not: looks angry. I don´t believe she is all bad, but she is a believer in ´the American dream´ (and a believer- no blaim to her!- in a very perverted form of christianity).
I think the Brazilians will vote with their hearts.
Another concern: the dump store, the voentorg. Some people in Novorossiya seem to be very angry about this.
My own vision is that it might be a good strategy to take the airport en Debaltseva, and after that just hunker down, and let the Novorossiyans take care of their families in a cold but spiritually very significant winter, while everything to the west goes to hell..
But, mr Saker, what is going on about the voentorg, It is something totally invisible and deniable, as it should be.
But what are the pressures, what is the rationale behind this very deniable phenomenon??? A short article about this subject would be much appreciated!
“Kat Kan said…
Not sure what’s happening here. They have a lot of people with SPARTA badges,which is Ukie? but everyone puts on white rag armbands and go off on a Ukie tank to look for wounded.”
The videos are both of Motorola’s men and at the end of the first video is included some Abkhaz and Ossete volunteer fighters as well.So all are NAF.The video film quality was outstanding.I think a helmet cam was used at least with the first video.The first video was posted by a pro-Ukie guy,hence the title.But the second was a pro-Novorossii posting I believe.Those guys are some tough men.I’m not sure the pain killers they may have been given or not.But those wounded guys being treated was rough.And I didn’t see them screaming.Especially that kid wounded in the leg.He had a right to be screaming his head off.But like I said they are a tough bunch of brave guys.I feel more respect for them every time I see them on video.Russia would be making a horrible error if she throws those men under the bus.For whatever reason there is.They are worth 10 of the junta troops per man I believe.
Dear Saker
Please allow me some reflections, as an individual who works and cognizes through and by non dual principles (not those of the kind -“you are with me or against me).
While Putin might have played with similar logics,it very much seems that a bifurcation point has been reached in which a clear yes or no is overdue.
In the external front, it seems that the policy of sanctions pressuring EU will no longer work. On th3 hand even the neocons have conceded to have lost NR,
Both the AZs, RF and China are preparing for war.
Ukr is falling to pieces and there is no way that nor the RF nor the oligarchs of UKR and RF an reach an agreement if not to the cost of sacrificing NR, and even that would no longer be permanent.
On the internal front, Russia is declaring day after day that will start with policies of reindustrialization which the AZs would wish not to come to be put into practice.
The internal political disputes have reached a stage to the point that not even the Eurasianists such as Yakunin, ceo of Russian Railways, publicly concedes to his failure to understand why the AZs are still holding the economy.
It would seemingly be quite easy for Putin to corner at least partially the fifth column by allowing the Communist Party to call for a non confidence vote on Medvedev’s government and form a new coalition, without even firing a single firearm. Instead, it falls back to deny its initial law of not allowing the rotenbergs and other oligarchs with monies frozen abroad to be indemnizied by the RF which instead will have it by the Duma passing the amended version of the law.
Also, Strelkov and the third most read blogger in the RF, cassad.net, are exposing one waynor the other, what is tantamount to a betrayal, on behalf of a settlement between the various Ukrs and RF oligarchs, to the point that would the NR militias, take the Donetsk airport or Mariupol, new sanctions would be imposed on RF. Which very much gives th4 impression that indeed the ceasefire was a betrayal and that the much boistered opening of the third front at Mariupol if not a tactical miscalculation, has placed the NRA in a weak state, as the difficulty of taking the airport and pushing away the artillery of the fascists away, has clearly exposed. Together with cutting the voentorg as winter comes andbthe civilians have no homes nor provisions to keep them alive.
To put it in short, either Putin makes a Uturn or his political capital has been sacrific4ed to the AZs.
It looks and smells horrible.
Kind regards,
Dear Saker
Please allow me some reflections, as an individual who works and cognizes through and by non dual principles (not those of the kind -“you are with me or against me).
While Putin might have played with similar logics,it very much seems that a bifurcation point has been reached in which a clear yes or no is overdue.
In the external front, it seems that the policy of sanctions pressuring EU will no longer work. On th3 hand even the neocons have conceded to have lost NR,
Both the AZs, RF and China are preparing for war.
Ukr is falling to pieces and there is no way that nor the RF nor the oligarchs of UKR and RF an reach an agreement if not to the cost of sacrificing NR, and even that would no longer be permanent.
On the internal front, Russia is declaring day after day that will start with policies of reindustrialization which the AZs would wish not to come to be put into practice.
The internal political disputes have reached a stage to the point that not even the Eurasianists such as Yakunin, ceo of Russian Railways, publicly concedes to his failure to understand why the AZs are still holding the economy.
It would seemingly be quite easy for Putin to corner at least partially the fifth column by allowing the Communist Party to call for a non confidence vote on Medvedev’s government and form a new coalition, without even firing a single firearm. Instead, it falls back to deny its initial law of not allowing the rotenbergs and other oligarchs with monies frozen abroad to be indemnizied by the RF which instead will have it by the Duma passing the amended version of the law.
Also, Strelkov and the third most read blogger in the RF, cassad.net, are exposing one waynor the other, what is tantamount to a betrayal, on behalf of a settlement between the various Ukrs and RF oligarchs, to the point that would the NR militias, take the Donetsk airport or Mariupol, new sanctions would be imposed on RF. Which very much gives th4 impression that indeed the ceasefire was a betrayal and that the much boistered opening of the third front at Mariupol if not a tactical miscalculation, has placed the NRA in a weak state, as the difficulty of taking the airport and pushing away the artillery of the fascists away, has clearly exposed. Together with cutting the voentorg as winter comes andbthe civilians have no homes nor provisions to keep them alive.
To put it in short, either Putin makes a Uturn or his political capital has been sacrific4ed to the AZs.
It looks and smells horrible.
Kind regards,
Dear Saker
Please allow me some reflections, as an individual who works and cognizes through and by non dual principles (not those of the kind -“you are with me or against me).
While Putin might have played with similar logics,it very much seems that a bifurcation point has been reached in which a clear yes or no is overdue.
In the external front, it seems that the policy of sanctions pressuring EU will no longer work. On th3 hand even the neocons have conceded to have lost NR,
Both the AZs, RF and China are preparing for war.
Ukr is falling to pieces and there is no way that nor the RF nor the oligarchs of UKR and RF an reach an agreement if not to the cost of sacrificing NR, and even that would no longer be permanent.
On the internal front, Russia is declaring day after day that will start with policies of reindustrialization which the AZs would wish not to come to be put into practice.
The internal political disputes have reached a stage to the point that not even the Eurasianists such as Yakunin, ceo of Russian Railways, publicly concedes to his failure to understand why the AZs are still holding the economy.
It would seemingly be quite easy for Putin to corner at least partially the fifth column by allowing the Communist Party to call for a non confidence vote on Medvedev’s government and form a new coalition, without even firing a single firearm. Instead, it falls back to deny its initial law of not allowing the rotenbergs and other oligarchs with monies frozen abroad to be indemnizied by the RF which instead will have it by the Duma passing the amended version of the law.
Also, Strelkov and the third most read blogger in the RF, cassad.net, are exposing one waynor the other, what is tantamount to a betrayal, on behalf of a settlement between the various Ukrs and RF oligarchs, to the point that would the NR militias, take the Donetsk airport or Mariupol, new sanctions would be imposed on RF. Which very much gives th4 impression that indeed the ceasefire was a betrayal and that the much boistered opening of the third front at Mariupol if not a tactical miscalculation, has placed the NRA in a weak state, as the difficulty of taking the airport and pushing away the artillery of the fascists away, has clearly exposed. Together with cutting the voentorg as winter comes andbthe civilians have no homes nor provisions to keep them alive.
To put it in short, either Putin makes a Uturn or his political capital has been sacrific4ed to the AZs.
It looks and smells horrible.
Kind regards,
Ihor Kolomoyskyi’s Dombassaereo had its head office on the property of Donetsk International Airport in Donetsk, could be this the missing link?
Sorry for the mistakes. I hope now the understanding is better( possibly yet lag and altitude sickness effects are still operating my brain. Still suffering unusual attacks of hunger and sleep).
Off topic, but of cultural interest, I link to an article presenting a book of the Peruvian poet and journalist César Vallejo: “Russia in 1931.REflections at the foot of the Kremlin”, where items product of his stay in the country over those years and his research and testimonies are collected.
I have not read it yet, but looks a promising must read for this fall for those who, like me, need to know more about the reality and history of our admired and beloved Russia.
As a summary the article´s author says about this book:
-…”Vallejo’s work consists of sixteen chapters, in which such diverse topics as what the socialist city and the city of the future, the Soviet work, state industry, socialist rationalization in contrast to capitalist anarchy are studied, the wage regime in the USSR, the economic hierarchy, literature, love, sports, theater, democracy, the Soviet family, cinema, education, or as seemingly serious ideological struggle between Trotskyism and Stalinism, and indifference of workers against this in the streets and factories of Russia. In this regard, it seems important that Vallejo writes, when he explains what the Soviets workers thought about this subject against the manipulated information was then poured into the West, and also belies the misunderstood deification of leaders in socialist countries (however, be noted that still did not feel as close the great threat of the Nazi attack on the Soviet Union, and had not taken place the Moscow Trials, which begin later in 1936)”…
In Spanish, I hope you enjoy it:
http://cuestionatelotodo.blogspot.com.es/2014/10/reflexiones-al-pie-del-kremlin-cesar.html
I wonder if the reason why the Ukrainian forces at the airport are holding on is because there are Americans among them.
As usual, an honest, reasonable observation by the saker. BTW, I need my Saturday injection of the saker
anyone here noticed that at least according to most news, including war news, the most rabid fascists are the poles?
even i’ve been surprised at this, as a 3rd gen of landed polish immigrants.
BTW, I never heard or learned boo about any polish history from any parents or grandparents, & certainly not from school.
the irony i refer to is it was supposedly the poles who held back the first “bolshevik” attack wave out of russia toward western europe, at a key battle known as the Miracle on the Vistula!
it delayed the ussr/lenin’s conversion fervor of turning those countries fully for 2 decades.
The Ukrainian forces in Donetsk Airport are supported by the best expertise and technology in the World. The collapse of 3 floor of the Old terminal was nothing less than a controlled demolition triggered by Ukraine forces in the right moment. I cannot buy the story of New Russia that many Ukrainian forces are buried alive under the debris. I fear the opposite happened, and the militant are destroyed over there. The West turned the Donetsk Airport to a grinding machine, that destroys thousands after thousands Pro Russian militants and Pro-Russian civilians. The matter of fact is that Pro-Russian acts as amateurs that means, Kremlin abandonees them. Time works for Kiev and Militants, Civilians, and entire Donetsk and Lugansk are demolished and destroyed day after day.
Wishful thinking
Time will show the truth: graves will speak
Those who are murdering civilians are doomed by time
That’s why these rats will stick to war until they die
Because after war is over the investigation will start