Some of you have understood my reference to Chechnia in the latest SITREP has an indication of the kind of tactics the Russian military would use if/when the Kremlin decides to intervene in the Ukraine.
That is not at all what I meant and I apologize for misleading you.
What I meant was to say that in extreme circumstances Putin was willing to use extreme measures. But let me reassure you all – the Donbass is not Chechnia, the Ukrainians are not Chechens and, most importantly, the Russian military of 2014 is not the Russian military of 1999. In fact, I can guarantee you that these tactics will not be used in the Ukraine. Such massive use of firepower is the sign of a weak military, once which does not trust the training of its own soldiers, one which has poor command, control and intelligence and one which uses the only thing it still has: a big fist. Such tactics are effective but crude and if the Russian military used them in the Ukraine it would result in a outraged explosion of protest in Russia.
Without going into details, what the Russians would do if they intervened in the Ukraine would be to disorganize Ukie communication and create a sense of chaos (for the Ukie command). By “going for the eyes” they would transform what is currently a more or less coherent Ukie attack force into many small and completely confused ones. Though that phase could include a few bomb/missile strikes or sabotage, most of it would be non-lethal. One the junta is blinded, the Russians would essentially engage the Ukie commanders in a “surrender or else” dialog. The vast majority will at this point gladly surrender. Those few who will chose “or else” will be destroyed in precision strikes. That’s it. I do not expect WWII tank battles to take place. Cities like Dnepropetrovsk or Kharkov will not be turned into Grozny in 2000.
The Ukie military machine is extremely weak and all it will take is hitting a few well-chosen trigger points, and then it will collapse. Again, judging by Crimea and by what has happened so far in the Donbass, the vast majority of the Ukrainian officers will be *immensely relived* to be “defeated”. By the way, the Russians went out of their way to treat the Ukrainian forces in Crimea with utmost respect – both those who did surrender and those who decided to hold out and be evacuated. Putin personally issued a decree not only to treat all the Ukrainian military personnel with professional courtesy but even to treat the *symbols* of Ukrainian statehood (flags, insignia, etc.) with utmost respect. The same will happen this time.
The Ukies made “prisoner” will be offered to join the Russian military, their pensions will quadruple overnight, their ranks and diplomas recognized and most will even be left in command of their own units.
I have to say that this idyllic situation will not apply to the neo-Nazis and assorted oligarch-paid thugs. Those will be killed, ruthlessly and with no mercy. Any Right Sector thug or foreign mercenary captured will get a 10min “conversation” somewhere behind an APC and then will be executed. But that will be a very small amount of cases about which we will probably never learn anyway.
I honestly don’t know how far the Russian military intervention would go, it might well be confined to only the easternmost part of the Ukraine (where the current Ukrainian attack forces are concentrated). That really depends on the reaction in the West. If the US/NATO continue to refuse to negotiate the Russians might push further, but not beyond the Dniepr.
Remember the 08.08.08 war: its purpose was never to seize and hold land, it was to take Saakshvili’s ulgy toys away. Once the Georgian military basically disappeared the Russians withdrew. The same will happen in the Ukraine. The Russian will destroy the repressive machine of the junta in Kiev and then stop.
Think *forces*, not territory.
Russia cannot and has no desire to “occupy” the Ukraine. All that talk about a new Afghanistan in the Ukraine is absolute nonsense. As soon as they are done, they will withdraw most of their forces and they will help the locals get organized. Only if the US/NATO do something truly fantastically stupid, like sending in NATO forces into the western Ukraine will the Russians establish a forward security buffer aimed at keeping the AngloZionists on the West side of the Dneipr. But – honestly – I don’t see the US/NATO/EU trying that kind of crap, not because of the Russian military, but because that would mean that they would own all of the worst and poorest part of the rump-Ukraine.
Does anybody really think that the EU wants to own Banderastan?
I sure don’t.
Okay, I hope that this clarification has been useful and I apologize again for giving the impression that the Russian military was prepared to use the same tactics as it did in Chechnia.
Kind regards,
The Saker
A good song by Жанна Бичевская, Saker:
http://putnik1.livejournal.com/3097046.html
Русский марш (Russian Battle March)
God help us all
shed
Russia cannot and has no desire to “occupy” the Ukraine.
True.
Does anybody really think that the EU wants to own Banderastan?
I don’t. That’s why instead, both sides (which are really one side behind the scenes) in this agreement are lighting the match and
Burning Down The House
Chechens are some of the world’s toughest people, genuinely formidable fighters. Ukrainians…umm…not so, to say the least. Uks are treacherous, petty, deceitful, disorganized and quarrelsome. They are the bastard branch of great Russian nation. The only excellence they display is in the size of their victimhood complex.
Their “military” (if you can call it that)can only brutalize weak and defenseless, and as any such organization, it will surrender or retreat to safety with the first blast of Russian guns.
“Does anybody really think that the EU wants to own Banderastan?”
It’s not about EU + Banderastan anymore. If Russia will be forced to go overtly she will go all the way because having fascist state on the border is out of the question. Of course there are still some options left.
“One the junta is blinded, the Russians would essentially engage the Ukie commanders in a “surrender or else” dialog. The vast majority will at this point gladly surrender.”
I think the zionazis/nazis have now taken this into consideration, and are trying to minimise their exposure by using mercs and pravi sektor types as their “trusted heavies”, along with west Ukraine recruited units of the regular military for these city assaults.
That observation is probably obvious, though.
The excellent WSWS has an article describing how the neo-fascists in Banderastan recently celebrated the massacre at Yanova Dolina, now Bazaltovoye, in 1943, of 600 Poles, by the Ukrainian Insurgent Army or UPA. This cold-blooded massacre of civilians marked the beginning of widespread massacres of tens of thousands of Poles in western Ukraine, a pogrom that Svoboda and Right Sector and the other Nazi detritus that ‘House Negro’ Obama loves so much, celebrate as a ‘great victory’.
While the vermin scum (my apologies to rats, cockroaches and algae for the invidious comparison)of the Western MSM will never mention this manifestation of the truly evil nature of the fascist detritus inserted into power by Victoria Nudelman et al, the eastern Ukrainians and Russian no doubt are fully aware. The situation of ‘Atlanticist’ Polish fascists, like the villainous Sikorski, training thugs who worship those who murdered tens of thousands of Poles, is truly repulsive. Having sold his soul(and received an Imperial succubus, Anne Applebaum, in part payment)to the Imperial Devil, like so many other European leaders, Sikorski no doubt imagines that no matter how bad things get, he’ll always have a retreat in New York or Tel Aviv guaranteed, for services rendered.
Well stated Saker! I’m so relieved to hear you spell it out. It is, of course, what I have been advocating and hoping for. The great problem is it isn’t happening.
One move I’ve mentioned would be to deploy a powerful force along the border as close to Kiev as possible in order to draw reinforcements from the west to the capital and keep them away from the East. Maybe, as things are evolving, it would be best to go further than that and, in effect, cut the head off the serpent. Well maybe that’s a bridge too far politically, but imagine the terrified flight out of town. That, whatever the sequel,would be gratifying.
Thanks for the excellent sitreps.
Tom
Any Western mercenaries must be put on public trial, then suffer condign punishment, by which I mean decades of imprisonment, no parole, no prisoner swaps. The mercenary industry, in fact private enterprise death-squads for profit, must be attacked without mercy.
MANPADs and Kornets. Lots and lots of Kornets. Soon Ukie Army will be deserting in droves and Ukie Natl Guard will be terrified to not have civilians or regular army around them for ‘protection’ lest they get lit up. Putin has not responded the way the West has wanted throughout this crisis and he’s hardly going to step into Brzezinski’s Bear trap now by putting the Russian army in the position of facing insurgents as opposed to supplying them to make an occupation hell for Kiev. Just as a reminder, here’s what Hezbollah did with Kornets to Israel, and you can bet your butt the BTRs and T-72s available to Kiev’s ‘National Guard’ are a lot less well armored than the Merkava.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUJSaeE3EKY
As for the UKR Air Force, pretty soon they won’t be able to find any volunteers for helicopter gunship strikes, helo troop deployments, or low level missions and will have to either resort to high altitude bombing from above the MANPAD range of 2,000 meters (which will cause more civilian deaths).
If I were Putin that’s what I’d do. And send in the Crimeans who want to fight and will fight. Which is why we’re seeing a desperate UKR offensive right now to secure Mariupol. If it fails or they can’t put enough troops on the Black Sea coast, the Crimeans will infiltrate with their advanced Russian arms by high speed boats at night from Crimea and there won’t be a damn thing Kiev can do about it.
Saker,
In your first piece today you said:
“when the Russians look across the border they see two groups they really really hate: Nazis and oligarchs”
The Russian intelligence (military and civil) apparatus is very sophisticated.
It must know who the key oligarchs and nazi/fascist extremist leasders are at this stage. Surely their telephone communications and the like are being regularly monitored (Ashton, Nuland are evidence it is occurring).
Why then is there not very targeted action happening to remove these barbarous instigators from the picture by covert operations (a Mossad-type ‘hit squad’ comes to mind, or for more difficult targets a precision small missile strike for say, a murderous oligarch).
The crazies in the US could hardly complain…now common drone strikes.
Presumably after a few such targeted excisions the needless violence may settle down without large numbers of civilian casualties?
Saker,
This makes good sense and is totally consonant, to me anyhow, with what you said before. So, as far as Russia goes, I’m feeling relieved primarily because there are such sensible options available.
Now for the rest. It does not appear likely that what the EU wants has ever entered into the equation. It certainly didn’t to Cookie Lady Nuland, while Merkel appears to be spreading herself so thin placating everybody she’ll soon be transparent (not exactly a pleasant thought, now is it…).
So the real issue, of course, is us. You aptly called it weakness and poor training, I referred to it earlier as blood-lust, and earlier than that as just plain not giving a damn about anyone anywhere. But we do care about corporate profits, and the Military Industrial Homeland Security corporatocracy, plus NATO’s need to self-perpetuate, plus our precarious financial status all seem to be over-determining our present approach. And to me, anyhow, Banderastan could be just what they want.
Many thanks for the insights, Saker. Are RF or federalist Ukies likely to be active already in Kiev and points west?
Twitted by Carlos ( spanish air traffic controller ): the army has shot a car with medical staff. 4 deaths. In Kramatorsk.
“Another 42 people were killed and 125 injured in a building fire and street battle in Odessa that began last night, when pro-Russians attacked marching football fans and a pro-Ukrainian rally.” – Bloomberg’s DisInfo Unit 6.
A Russian WWII Vet once said, “The Germans had battlefield tactics…, we had men…”
2008’s Georgia battle has been an eyeopener for Russia’s armed forces, because shooting down one’s own planes is not a good thing. I agree with the Saker’s notion that Russia should opt for death by a thousand cuts, not chop off heads with a blunted sword.
Does anyone know why Russia hasn’t supplied S-300/400s to Iran?
Mulga,
Wait, let me get this straight. The Banderistas massacred Poles in Western Ukraine, and now Kiev has invited Poles, and Poles are happily accepting the invitation to work with Banderistas to massacre Russian-speaking Ukrainians more efficiently. My brains hurt as much as my heart.
Perhaps a coup by the Ukrainian military hierarchy might provide a useful transition. It could then oversee a referendum offering a unitary, neutral, federalized Ukraine
Those of you that are angered by “Putin’s” i.e. Russia’s slow reaction, do as I do. Listen to The Battle Hymn of the Republic.
Here is a great interpretation by Judy Garland from 1963:
Equally important, study the lyrics by Julia Ward Howe while listening. (Unless you know them by heart.) You can also find the lyrics here as originally published 1862 in The Atlantic Monthly. This is the best justification for aggressive military action ever written.
Pay special attention to these lines:
He hath loosed the fateful lightning of His terrible swift sword:
I have read a fiery gospel writ in burnished rows of steel:
He has sounded forth the trumpet that shall never call retreat;
You may consider this an accurate description of things to come.
There is one other thing. If elections on 25 May fail than promised sanctions follow. To resolve it (wild guess) legal president Karmal could be reinstated.
I wonder if Medvedev is having second thoughts about closer relations with the ‘Atlantisists”. Anyone have info on his current positions?
T1
Saker. We are faced with a group of people whose whole delight is in destroying. These same forces did not hesitate with the World Trade Centers which was likely a tactical nuclear weapon. I have to say that it is not about owning the Ukraine but breaking Russia by any means necessary. This is the opening salvo-well okay 08 was-in a war that is intended to crush Russia and steal her resources. This being so, I doubt the Americans care if they see a little war in the Ukraine with nuclear weapons. And I will keep saying this because I think that the West has no option left but War. The Cold War is dead, but the warm war has just begun,.
Thank you, Saker. I was one who responded negatively on the subject of Chechnya – let me explain why. As a US citizen, daily we receive the information that Obama has caused civilian deaths in his drone bombings, and that really causes us psychological pain to hear. He does not care about civilian casualties. His policies are criminal.
I cannot judge the situation as it was in Chechnya – I am not Russian and know very little about the inner threat the state was undergoing – only I remember horrific occasions of violence against innocent civilians, children – not perpetrated by the government but by real terrorists. I cannot judge these situations and the consequences, the tactics undertaken then. Sometimes one cannot judge.
I only know that what Obama is doing is wrong, and it is causing more terror – in places like Yemen, where my daughter once visited in peaceful times to teach burn therapy. My heart aches for the dear Yemeni children – but I will leave it at that. It is an ongoing wound to many of us US citizens, and that is why I reacted.
Thank you again. I am learning much from your blog.
a ukrainian marxist page with some useful info https://www.facebook.com/borotba.org?fref=nf
Объединение Боротьба
Yesterday
До Алексея удалось дозвониться: “Когда мы вышли из горящего здания, на нас набросилась толпа националистов. Могу сказать, что около сотни человек пострадали. Люди выпрыгивали из окон, все было в дыму. Лежачих били ногами.
Мне и одному из наших активистов, Владу, серьезно разбили голову. Мы направляемся в больницу. Еще днем наш активист Иван получил сквозное огнестрельное ранение.
Правый Сектор собрался на Соборной площади. Мне трудно сказать, кем была спровоцирована драка, но Правый Сектор был в полной амуниции, вооружен и заранее готовился”
Before Alexis managed to reach: “when we came out of the burning building, we were attacked by a mob of nationalists. I can say that about a hundred people were injured. People jumped out of Windows, it was all in smoke. Bedridden kicked.
Me and one of our activists, Vlad, seriously broke down. We head to the hospital. The day our activist Ivan got the end-to-end shot.
The right sector met at the Cathedral square. It’s hard for me to say what provoked the fight, but the right sector was fully equipped, armed and was prepared in advance ” (Translated by Bing)
https://www.facebook.com/borotba.org/posts/463589340440738?stream_ref=10
The first rule of strategy is “never do what the enemy wants you to do”.
The neo-con playbook (which is the dominant foreign policy elite in the US) goes something like this:
1. Blow up the Ukraine. Put your own people in.
2. ‘Associate’ it with the EU (the EU would never allow it to be an actual member).
3. The Ukrainian Govt then kicks Russia out of the Crimea and brings in NATO.
Number 3 failed, so plan B then became.
4. Attack the Russian areas in the Ukraine with the army and the neo-nazi militants.
5. Force Russia to move into the Ukraine.
6. Because of this (and in the heat of the moment) force through total sanctions on Russia, cutting off its gas and oil sales. Yes this would economically cripple the EU (even more than they have already crippled themselves).
But from a neo-con point of view the EU and Russia mutually economically crippling themselves is a good outcome. The EU is a big a target to them as Russia or China are, despite their satraps grovelling.
So the EU (especially Germany) is supposed to fall on its sword’ for the ‘greater good’.
Sadly Russia has not played this, rather obvious, script. Instead it has let the Ukrainians self destruct. Now this is a cold blooded decision, many eastern Ukrainians are going to die.
But this is a multi dimensional conflict and winning the political/moral war is critical. Even now the European media is starting to waver as the atrocities build up, you can only lie so much about Ukrainian coup Govt and hide the neo-nazis for so long.
The EU public (and even the US one) has no desire for a major conflict and in the EU are becoming very skeptical of their Govt’s pro US stance.
Also business pressure will build up, especially in Germany on Merkal to separate their position from the US one. Ditto from the City of London on Cameron. Germany faces an economic collapse if the gas is cut off. But that sort of internal political pressure takes time to work.
So Putin’s ‘grand strategy’ is to ‘wedge’ Germany and the UK from the US. To win the ‘moral’ war and to set the scene for an intervention (or a ideally a counter coup), only when it becomes politically advantageous.
Of course, there will be behind the scenes help and back channel conversations to the Ukrainian military.
Ideally Russia would want a military coup in the Ukraine with the Army turning against the Govt and the neo-nazis. Russia would then step into the scene with huge economic help (conditional on elections happening fairly quickly and federalisation). I’d give that a 25% chance of happening and probably represents Russia’s ‘best case’ scenario.
This would be the US’s and EU’s worst nightmare. The army being the ‘saviour of the people’, pushing out the US/EU Govt and because of that turning to Russia for desperate economic help.
But before that (or an intervention, more likely in the end) can happen there has to be more atrocities to create the political climate necessary. The Ukrainian Govt, with US push, is all too happy to do that.
This is going to be a long game (with a lot of dimensions, like Russia will try to ‘wedge’ the US military against the US Govt as well) and it’s going to get bloody. But Putin will make sure he wins the political/moral game first.
Needless to say, big power conflict over Ukraine is not in the interests of Ukrainians.
Yesterday I blogged a short essay on what might happen if goodwill miraculously broke out in Washington DC – see ‘A Solution for Ukraine?‘
Like so many of the problems in the world the Ukraine crisis is mainly the product of deliberate malevolence. With goodwill it can be solved – probably in many ways.
I appreciated Saker’s previous article in this blog, BTW – especially the insight/suggestion that this IS the 4th World War – fought with sticks and stones by dint of mutual necessity between nuclear powers.
As for the media changes, have a look at this Independent article (which has been very anti-Russia up to now).
They are even using terms like “anti-terrorist” (yes with the quotes)to describe the Ukrainian army actions.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-crisis-this-is-not-some-kind-of-a-shortlived-uprising-it-is-a-war-9321410.html
Nora,
Contemporary Poland is as distasteful and duplicitous country as they come. You can’t become a member of “western club” without dispensing with decency and honesty.
Poles who yap incessantly about Soviet oppression think nothing about hosting CIA’s secret torture centers.
Then, while they decry injustices and invasions of centuries past, they happily invade other countries, cheer and assist their dismemberment and joyfully kill innocents on the orders of their current American masters. I don’t recall a single instance when Poles declined an opportunity to partake in US-led pillage and murder.
In bifurcated Polish mind, when Poland does it, whatever it does, it’s OK, even commendable.
So when Poles proverbially spit on the graves of their ancestors by fraternizing with their killers, nobody should be surprised. Today’s Poland is simply a country without conscience and without heart, in their place only a calculator.
Thanks Saker, I’m always glad to read your reports when the fog of war becomes oppressive. Your points and many of the comments support my continuing confidence in Russia’s leadership.
Putin is no Hamlet and Russia’s inaction should not be blamed on indecision. Russia will have solid intel on many of the factors for which we have merely informed speculation e.g. Uke military loyalties, NATO matériel on ground, capabilities of extremists in Odessa area, capabilities of pro-Russians in Donbass where there will be no shortage of volunteers.
Likewise it is important to understand how this happened in Odessa. In spite of the grotesque celebrations I’m not so sure the perpetrators planned this exactly as it unfolded. More likely it was another accidental attrocity of the kind that has followed U.S. policy all over the globe for over a century. The poor balance of numbers in Odessa momentarily favoured the extremists but this won’t last. This incident may be the coup government’s big mistake, an equivalent to the military intervention by Russia which many of us here have hoped will be avoided.
Russia has more options now. It will be hard for the West to convincingly criticise even relatively overt moves to arm the countless pro-Russian protesters who may become militants now. Western media has cranked up the hyperbole so high for so long most listeners won’t catch the nuance. Russia can cite recent precedents of UNSC theatrics re: using air power against civilian populations, R2P, etc.
And the coup government hasn’t much to look forward to on their May calendar.
Brian
@crossvader………….
It’s enough to make me weep…………
I’m just sick and tired of people who classify races, religions, genders and age groups in some stereotypical niche so that they no longer have to THINK and, heaven forbid, make an informed JUDGEMENT on these people as individuals. There are individuals and groups of individuals in every societal group on the planet now and very likely till the end of time that are just plain stupid, vicious, psychopathic, sociopathic and largely lacking in empathy and compassion. People who are too lazy and stupid to understand that they have to take the effort to know and judge peoples individually and on their merits are part to the problem.
And YOU PISS me off. All Ukes are treacherous, all Chechens are tough and I’m sure you think that all Jews are money grubbers, all Americans are ignorant warmongers, all Muslims are all terrorists, all Germans are inherently Nazis, all Poles are stupid, all whites are racists, all blacks are lazy and criminals, all Colombians are drug dealers etc………….
I’m riled and all I see in you is just another racist. There are good people, bad people and people in the middle who are just trying to do the best they can in this cesspool that is being created by sociopaths. Whether these sociopaths have Ukrainian, Russian, Polish, German, French, British, Welsh, Scottish, Irish, Dutch, American (now that’s a blend) ancestry doesn’t change the fact that through their blindness they are leading us to as Calgacus stated “they spread desolation and call it peace”.
I was going to go of on a rant about this but I made a promise to keep this type of stuff down to a minimum.
There are people dying here. This is not a game.
I’m tired of this crap where REMF’s (and I understand I can be put in this group) want action, something to be done, whining about strategies that Putin should employ, etc.
Screw this, I’m cracking open another bottle of Cab Sav.
Do with this as you wish, Saker. I trust your judgement.
Petri,
I love that song, always have, always will, always cry. Here is a version that seems a propos, by the Red Army Choir:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIiGj9llVKY
I want Putin to intervene, but I don’t think he will. If he wasn’t utterly opposed to the idea of intervention in mainland Ukraine, he would have ordered it already. There’s been a Khatyn-like massacre and yet I’m reading about his diplomats pushing for more talks.
Emotionally the international stage is like schoolyard in a prison for juvenile delinquents. Yes, Putin is a lot more mature than his opponents, but the lowest common denominator always sets the tone. If you don’t play by the schoolyard’s rules, you lose. Russia is being dissed right now. Lack of response will only invite more abuse.
After the 08/08/08 war a lot of people concluded that Georgia made a mistake when it allied with the neocons against Russia. As a result of the tie-eater’s aggression South Ossetia and Abkhazia went even further out of Georgia’s orbit and Georgia was humiliated militarily.
If by this time next year the world thinks that West Ukrainian nationalists made a mistake by allying themselves with Nuland and co., that would have a lot of positive consequences worldwide. Countries and movements all over the world would become more leery of accepting neocon help. Some would start looking at it as a potential curse.
But if there is no response, if the entire worldwide schoolyard sees Banderites getting away with this massacre and the junta with the suppression of the Donbass, Russia’s standing will fall. That will have lots of negative consequences.
You write, if I may abbreviate: “I have to say that the neo-Nazis and assorted oligarch-paid thugs will be killed. Any Right Sector thug or foreign mercenary captured will be executed.”
I have to say that this is simply untrue. I am not accusing you of lying, though. I believe you suffer from the same blindness as most other people, a blindness assiduously conditioned into you by a perpetual fear, skillfully applied.
This is what you have overlooked: what you say does not apply to Israelis, whether actual Mossad employees or purported freelancers and even mercenaries. If they are Israelis, they will quietly be returned to Israel, unhurt. You know that, but your conditioning prevents you from seeing it.
If the US/NATO continue to refuse to negotiate the Russians might push further, but not beyond the Dniepr.
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Dear Saker I like this term EU/NATO.
Why should we call them with vaguely
name the West?
Why would it be foolish for NATO to put troops in Western Ukraine? The goal is to cause trouble for Russia. Wouldn’t this force Russia to at least take Kiev and Odessa?
Paul
“Does anybody really think that the EU wants to own Banderastan?”
Of course NATO wants to militarily penetrate Europe as far east as possible so establishing a permanent fascist regime ruthlessly exploiting local population to support the military is quite possible. Any dissent among the population would be muffled or brutally quashed. A mind-control via bought off MSM would be implemented, society Americanized and mesmerized/hypnotized with the empty promise of “American dream”. ANY forward piece fo land allowing for establishing terroist bases for constantly harrasing Russia is worth a while. Nazi/fascist Extremism/radicalism/fanatism would be nurtured and new generation of backward, uneducated, unstable “freedom-fighters” would be bred. Not to mention viscious exploitation of all resources, markets and establishing a NATO sea port in Odessa. Laboratories with biowarfare. Surveillence/listening stations. And the ABM “shield” against Russia. All too tempting for the neocon bloodthirsty antihuman scum.
–ProPeace
I wonder what do you think about the “nuclear fuel” card? From the VT commenter “maca001” about the news fof the “nuclear material heading to the US”in a black-op:
“After the Russian-American Highly Enriched Uranium-Low Enriched Uranium (HEU-LEU) agreement came to an end in 2013, the US nuclear power generation industry was likely to face a sharp fuel price surge and shortage.
For two decades, the United States Enrichment Corporation (USEC), was buying Russian nuclear fuel down blended from Soviet military grade highly enriched uranium for a dumping price. This fuel constituted up to 40 percent of nuclear fuel for America’s 104 nuclear reactors.
The United States Enrichment Corporation (USEC), the leading US nuclear fuel supplier is in dire straits and plans to voluntarily file for bankruptcy in the first quarter of 2014 in order to restructure.
Russia supplies 40% of the worlds requirements but now expects to be paid market prices. To Corporate America this no doubt amounts to a declaration of war.
Obama has been pressing his foreign counterparts since 2009, both in Asia and Europe, demanding they either get rid of their excess nuclear materials via the US, or tighten security of stockpiles at home.
Japan, Belgium and Italy, have agreed to hand over excess nuclear materials to the US already.
This could be an extension of this “acquisition” program or maybe even a black market infiltration.
The risk of it being a much more sinister agenda is a definite probability and certainly follows the current pattern of events, so it is probably a very good idea to spread the message.”
–ProPeace
John M
I see.
Russians just must forget about their national interest and barge in, because some bored “computer warriors” are tired of waiting and are ready for a real war porn to jack up their flagging adrenaline levels.
I have a nagging suspicion that you might be one of them, cabernet-swilling chickenhawks.
I would agree with you about perils of stereotyping (which you seem quite good at yourself), and surely there are some cowardly Chechens, as well as some valiant and noble Uks, but I would posit that one Chechen battalion would disperse a Ukrainian brigade by simply announcing its appearance on a battlefield. Chechens have quite a reputation for a reason.
Wish I was so easily pissed off as you are, but I am not.
I’ll just stick with the beer.
JohnM said…
I’m just sick and tired of people who classify races, religions, genders and age groups in some stereotypical niche so that they no longer have to THINK and, heaven forbid, make an informed JUDGEMENT on these people as individuals.
This is such b.s.
I’m sick and tired of the professionaly offended.
Let people speak their minds and reveal themselves and their biases as they are. I find it useful to know the character of the person whose words I’m reading. It gives me informarion about how to understand what this person is trying to communicate. Why do you become enraged when you read something you don’t like? Does the loss of control frighten you?
Get over yourself.
You do not get to set the rules for how people talk and therefore for how they think.
This is a very clever trick, developed and promoted by the Frankfurt School, commonly known as Political Correctness.
Political Correctness is though control. Look it up. The ruling elites are very proud of the tricks they use to control your behaviour.
Political Correctness is the primary means by which you are enslaved to unreality.
No one would want to spend five billion dollars and come up empty handed regardless of the motivation. That’s probably what they call now “real money.” Even if they just print the paper.
Likewise, no one adhering to many years of misguided ideas, many of which due to disinformation and inculcated ignorance, is going to become a peaceful human being overnite. Least of all Obama no doubt with an eye on his “historical legacy,” whilst never spending too much time out of an ivory tower on the mean streets or he would no doubt have second thoughts about picking a fight with the hardened average Russian.
Nevertheless, we who would find fault and not be accused ourselves of hypocrisy ought first to surrender our ways of life, our automobiles and computers, and our bank accounts many of which are safe guarded by the empire, which seems at the moment to be acting not out of virtue, which never made a decent living, but out of fear, of the potential loss of “our sanctified way of life.”
We who live so far from the actual fighting, aren’t being informed because our “superiors” are only looking out for our own good, even if that good has been so thoroughly corrupted. Lord only knows.
Polish PM and FM say Russia will probably invade soon and start “hybrid war” – undeclared, based on subversion and paid mercenaries. Very sad that until February Polish foreign policy was very balanced, growing cooperation with Russia, very reserved position on Syria praised by her ambassador. What happened recently when the President and the government shockingly aligned with the disgraced russophobe and germanophobe Kaczynski – paid by the AngloZioUS cabal to divide Poles, constantly instigate against Germany and Russia, spread religious fanatism – in blaming Russia for all the evil in Ukraine is absolutely beyond comprehension. The 3 of them (pres, pm, fm) seem to be going thru some heavy internal struggle. The pressure from the GLADIO groups must be enormous. It’s a total disaster for the Polish state, disgrace and shame, economical suicide. The comments on the major portals are more and more encouraging though. And the tone of the press is wobbly, recently the visciousness receding and more commonsense and objectivity present. If it wasn’t for Kaczynski (wants to invite almost all the American army to stay permanently) and the 5th column of his religious/nationalist zealots the government would be in a much more comfortable position against the Transatlantist murderous masters. But now it’s between a rock and a hard place.
@Having sold his soul(and received an Imperial succubus, Anne Applebaum, in part payment)
Since so many names of the trotskysts treansmogrified in neo-cons evoke names of coryphees of the Comintern (Joffe, Axelrod), I wonder whether the succubus in question has any relation to Grigory Yevseevich Zinoviev aka Ovsei-Gershon Aronovich Radomyslovsky Apfelbaum (Russian: Овсей-Гершен Аронович Радомысльский Апфельбаум)the prominent Bolshevik revolutionary and a Soviet Communist politician. Zinoviev is best remembered as the longtime head of the Communist International. Executed by Stalin in 1936, “in the show trials”, so-called on “trumped up charges” (conspiring with the Nazis to overthrow Stalin).
Saker – you might like to listen to this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPSBJyDb1uM
We have seen the Kiev Maidan occupied by a couple of thousand people at most, only very few of whom were foreign/oligarch- sponsored, trained and armed thugs. The rest were simple protesters who unwittingly provided cover for the violent excesses of a small right sector minority. I think, what’s been happening in Maidan is not at all representative for Kiev, which is by far the largest city in Ukraine. Why don’t the people of the Kiev metropolitan area turn out in their hundreds of thousands in protest against an oligarch junta pretending to be their government? What would it take to make them realize what’s coming their way with the IMF’s structural adjustment program? What would it take to make their mass-protest as determined and persistent as the foreign organized and financed fake protest in Maidan? In any case, if this should happen it would mean the end of the junta and I do hope that someone will be smart enough to block their escape routes (helipads, airports, motorways etc.) so the bastards can be held to account.
OldSkeptic said…
Germany faces an economic collapse if the gas is cut off.
If you’ll recall, shortly after Russia took effective control of Crimea, Russian forces were dispatched, very publically, to protect a large natural gas facility inside Ukraine. Check out this propganda piece, including staged photo, originally published in the Washington Post:
Russia seizes natural gas facility
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/world/russia-seizes-natural-gas-facility-250500561.html?device=mobile
This is the Sword of Damocles held over the heads of both Putin and Merkel. If things don’t go according to the directives of the Anglo-Zionists, Ukrainian pipelines will go boom.
The only people who would benefit from an aggressive Russian military response would be the neocon power brokers. They are threatening to use the Samson option (go figure) and implode the EU, Russian and global economies if Russia does not accept their offer. They represent economies who have nothing to sell but the weapons of war so they have calculated a win either way.
Putin has been made an offer he can’t refuse, in the style of the gangsters. The neocons want desperately for Russia to take Ukraine east of the Dnepr.
Here it is again — the offer he can’t refuse, published in the February 23rd Telegraph.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10657256/Ukraine-mystery-surrounds-whereabouts-of-deposed-PM-Viktor-Yanukovych.html
What we are watching is a multinational excercise in asset stripping. Russia is an unwilling partner but the Ukrainian Army attacks in the east are a threat Putin will lose everything if he doesn’t play along. It is 99% probable that Russian special forces downed those two helicopters yesterday — to send the mesaage they are willing and able to act. Have no fear, Spetznaz has the Ukrainians scoped. This is why they are left to engage in mostly hit and run tactics. They are terrified.
Both sides have covert and overt boots on the ground. Yesterday’s move against Odessa appears to be backed by the local police who stood back as the anti-Kiev protesters were herded into a building and burned alive. This will be difficult for Putin to reverse. The map from the Telegraph represents the disposition of special forces on the ground. If either side finds the other there could be serious fireworks.
Putin is playing the long game. He does not want Ukraine to be divided. He does not want to be forced into annexing the east because he will pilloried by the still very powerful Western media machine. He is calculating that he can still seize political control of Ukraine. The extremely generous response received by the captured Ukrainian pilot demonstrates excellent coordination (and good propaganda). Everyone involved on the Russian side understands they must win the hearts and minds of as many Ukrainians as possible.
Why did many of the Chechens fight for and with the Russians in the second war?
i interpret the state of emergency in lugansk as the first step in the next phase of russia’s action. but let’s not wait for russia. each man, woman and child in every country can act individually and in cooperation to resist. actions you can take: don’t work for a corporation. don’t pay taxes. don’t buy any ukusa product or service. don’t vote for fake political parties. encrypt. communicate. write. create.
political power grows out of the barrel of a gun
Anonymous 02:34 notes that if the world “sees the Banderites getting away with this massacre and the junta with suppression of Donbass, Russia’s standing will fall. This will have lots of negative consequences.” This is not only on target; it is probably an understatement.
I have feared throughout that Putin would back down on the East. The very fact that Turdynov, who seemed cowed by Russian troop movements a few days ago now feels free to attack, suggests that Kiev believes the West–just as it said it would– has faced Putin down. Already! If bus loads of those same thugs go from Odessa to Mykolaiv or even Mariupol (as some say they will) to brutalize and kill, and if get away with it, even while attacks continue in north Donietz…No need, I guess, to go on. We’ll see what we’ll see; abandonment papered over with oratory, a half baked compromise, belated action. Good Night.
Rowan Berkeley
Hey, I just read your b*tch slapping reply to b on the Palestine thread at MoA – priceless! He deserved every word. I’ll repeat this and hopefully he’ll get the message: you can’t serve two masters, Zionism and the truth. And it’s telling he had to use a deceptive excuse to get me banned which pretty much means he cowered to Zionism because my goal was to demonstrate that U.S. policy towards Russia was underwritten by Neocons i.e. Zionists, and the Zio-media is the one leading the vile propaganda campaign against Russia; therefore it walks it quacks; it’s a duck. Zionism is with the Empire against Russia; because Zionism rides the Empire’s back.
That site is crawling with Zionists who pretend to favor b’s argument on Ukaine and Syria. I was pretty much swarmed by them at one point. But by swarming me; I was glad to expose them all; they know who they are and they hang around there for ulterior reasons.
Your comment @21 there is right on especially the last paragraph.
But, the following comment by lol is the one that best defines what’s really going on at MoA:
In France and Germany the Anti-FA movement has essentially aligned itself with Zionism.
So – not as Anti-FA as they like to pretend
And here’s my conclusion,
Likewise, MoA is overrun by Anti-FA’s who align themselves with Zionism therefore they’re not as Anti-FA(scist) as they so skillfully profess to be every day there.
But then these Zionists/fake anti-fascists are still slithering around there; while I who am really anti-fascist and believe Zionism to be the 21st Century’s uber supremacist, fascist ideology, am banned. Go figure… Says a whole lot about b – birds of a feather et al.
Oh, and notice also how the usual Zionist-loving Anti-fascist slithery suspects are mostly MIA from that Palestine thread. No doubt the subject is like sunlight to vampires. Too much of an exposure risk for them.
FYI I also comment on MoA and I don’t toe any lets be nice to zionists line . There is a problem tho where Jews get blamed for everything and In end it obstructs a clear investigation into events . Bs latest post is on Israel : he doest now to the entity there
Care to name the anti fascists who are also zionists ?
Saker thanks for the clarification on the Chechnya comparison, I too found it an unsettling comparison. I have two responses to this article.
1. “I have to say that this idyllic situation will not apply to the neo-Nazis and assorted oligarch-paid thugs. Those will be killed, ruthlessly and with no mercy. “
From a purely pragmatic point this would be a very unwise thing to do. There are many Ukrainians living in the west that identify with Russian culture — polling suggests 10 to 20%. Summary executions of Right Sector thugs would invite massacres of those people in the west. Also, killing prisoners, with out trial, is a deeply immoral act.
2. I think the US would happily take over western Ukraine in exchange for moving NATO’s borders to the Dnieper River. That would be a strategic advantage that would be worth the few hundred billion dollars the US would have to provide to restore their failed economy. The US was willing to spend over a $trillion to occupy control Iraq (unsuccessfully as it turns out) for a territory of even less strategic importance. Surely, the US would spend a fraction of that for western Ukraine.
I don’t think in a rational world this would be a worthwhile investment but no one has accused the US of having a rational cost-benefit consideration of our imperialist foreign policy. These crazed expenditures will only stop once they precipitate a major financial crisis involving the US dollar and so far that has not yet happened.
youtube.com/watch?v=si2VaXzoHxY
@Saker
I regret to make this criticism because I know how much work you have put into this blog and how time consuming it must be.
I want to re-iterate my advice that you find some trusted person or persons to assist you with moderating this blog. I have noticed that there are long periods during critical moments when comments are not being posted in a timely fashion. I have noticed this has occurred two times for my own comments when I have contradicted critical details of your assessment (very infrequently since I rarely disagree with anything you write).
This leads to the appearance of the possibility that you are withholding information that will illucidate critical information contrary to a tightly controlled narrative.
Please let me emphasize I am not making any accusations and I am profoundly grateful for your efforts.
Someone like myself has a tremendous advantage in assessing the rapidly evolving narrative because I get to see your timely impressions and respond to them only after thinking about them carefully, often in response to newly available information or other speculation posted by the talented commentariat you have attracted.
Your excellent work has drawn an impressive cadre of commenters including some exceptional geoplitical thinkers who could all benefit from closer interaction.
It is not my intention to embarrass you or unfairly pressure you but if you prefer not to post this comment please feel free to email me directly (I assume you have access to the email addresses of commenters).
Thank you.
Where-Wolf
A touch of paranoia?! I don’t know how you get delay posting = withhold info!
OldSkeptic said…
But from a neo-con point of view the EU and Russia mutually economically crippling themselves is a good outcome. The EU is a big a target to them as Russia or China are, despite their satraps grovelling.
Very true. But I should point out that neo-con is merely a cover for Ziocon.
I agree with a lot of what you wrote, but it won’t be easy to wedge the U.K.-too much empire in their blood.
The citizens of the EU only need to realize that if the Anglo/Zio cabal gets its wish, Europeans will be the slaves of the Empire.
It’s hard to say whether it will be a long game but whoever has a read on the psyche of the average people (and a little psy-ops can go a long way to nudge people away from the Empire’s inducement), calculates the other players next move before they make it and even sets up that move as a trap, and exercises the greatest self-control and patience will be the winner. Not an easy feat; but the Anglo/Zio cabal have miscalculated along the way in the hegemonic quest. They tend to screw up a lot on cultural and ethnic nuance, and their superiority/arrogance also does them in.
It won’t be a cake-walk. Russia should use covert operations to help ethnic Russians defend themselves, it’s the humane thing to do, although regrettably, there still will be casualties. But ethnic Russians should stay away from committing atrocities, they should limit themselves to targetting the fascists and military, and Putin should put a target on the fascist leaders and attempt to create chaos in the ranks of the junta. How? I’m not sure, but Putin must have connections and some tricks up his sleeve. It’s going to take a lot of intelligence; both kinds of intelligence.
I should add that my previous comment is very much in the spirit of the stated goal of your blog: to encourage a better understanding of the historic events unfolding before us.
With the greatest respect,
Where-Wolf
Anonymous said…
Emotionally the international stage is like schoolyard in a prison for juvenile delinquents. Yes, Putin is a lot more mature than his opponents, but the lowest common denominator always sets the tone. If you don’t play by the schoolyard’s rules, you lose. Russia is being dissed right now. Lack of response will only invite more abuse.
After the 08/08/08 war a lot of people concluded that Georgia made a mistake when it allied with the neocons against Russia. As a result of the tie-eater’s aggression South Ossetia and Abkhazia went even further out of Georgia’s orbit and Georgia was humiliated militarily.
If by this time next year the world thinks that West Ukrainian nationalists made a mistake by allying themselves with Nuland and co., that would have a lot of positive consequences worldwide. Countries and movements all over the world would become more leery of accepting neocon help. Some would start looking at it as a potential curse.
Here fricken here!
@Anonymous
Putin needs to help the resistors in Eastern Ukraine covertly. They must be able to defend themselves if they’re going to hold down the fort of resistance. He’s surely not going to depend on ethnic Russians being massacred by fascists to change public opinion. The fascists are their own worst enemy; they’re like Al-Qaeda in Syria; they’re already losing public sympathy. The better equipped the resistance is the more bitter and irrational the fascists will become and the more mistakes they’ll make.
Also Putin doesn’t have the luxury of waiting around a year or more for Ukrainians to wake up and smell the coffee. He must somehow begin inducing that wake-up call before it’s to late for Russia and even Ukraine. He must pull all support except from Eastern Ukraine and let Western Ukraine sink. They must start to feel really insecure. Putin needs to throw some ice-water at the Ukie/Empire honeymoon. Ukrainians need to be schooled on the evils of the Anglo/Zio Empire and the only way they’re going to learn is for the Empire to be put in the position of having to rescue the sinking ship now. The true intention of the Empire must be crystallized for them.
The problem with Ukrainians is that they feel like they’re missing out on some kind of illusory benefits that come with surrendering to the Empires’ control. They need a good reality check before the reality of the mistake they’ve made starts to really sink in which will take months or more.
A very good analysis, Saker. One point however. I believe the West (and Kiev) is inviting a Russian invasion. They want it for their purposes. They will use it to further isolate Russia and to justify significantly increased NATO build-up on the Russian borders. They also will likely pull back the army and for a time let the Banderistas and the mercs lay low, only to rise again later in a guerilla style fashion causing constant irritation to Russia and keeping them occupied, a festering sore on Russia’s back.
I wish I could be as optimistic about the situation as you, but I can’t. I think this can only escalate over time as sanctions are raised and Russia responds in kind. At some point it will all get out of control, and the big economic guns will be drawn on both sides, and the world will suffer. Worst case, someone will decide that for survival, they have to draw out the nukes.
Paul
“Why would it be foolish for NATO to put troops in Western Ukraine? The goal is to cause trouble for Russia. Wouldn’t this force Russia to at least take Kiev and Odessa?”
Because such a move would quickly erode NATO’s legitimacy among western European populations, who, despite years of intense Jewish zionist/NWO fascist propaganda do not want to see Europe become a battleground again. The main thrust of the Jewish owned/run MSM has been to try and turn that POV around in Europe (in the USA/Anglo sycophants the mind control is more total, so the zionazis can somewhat relax there).
shed, Petri Krohn, Nora
This woman’s smile is rather infectious. ;)
Танец с шашками
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=do2vsNz-Ync&feature=plcp
Музыка: Аркона – Купала и кострома
Though the burning alive of unarmed people is terrible, and your heart may ache for vengeance, Generals would only see this as one more piece on a chess board. And that is the right thing, because this is a war; vengeance would have to wait until later.
Thanks once again Saker for all your work.
‘Unity’, proclaims the wisdom of our day ‘Can be forged only by iron and by blood’. But we shall try to forge unity with love, And then we shall see which is the stronger way.
Two Unities, Feodor Tyutchev, Russian Poet, September 1870
The destiny of the whole world depends on the destiny of Russia.
Metropolitan Benjamin (Fedchenkov), New York, 2 July 1941
Since the destruction of Communism, Russian Orthodoxy now remains America’s only enemy.
Zbigniew Brzezinski, Polish-American Geostrategist, September 1997
‘Unity’, proclaims the wisdom of our day ‘Can be forged only by iron and by blood’. But we shall try to forge unity with love, And then we shall see which is the stronger way.
Two Unities, Feodor Tyutchev, Russian Poet, September 1870
The destiny of the whole world depends on the destiny of Russia.
Metropolitan Benjamin (Fedchenkov), New York, 2 July 1941
Since the destruction of Communism, Russian Orthodoxy now remains America’s only enemy.
Zbigniew Brzezinski, Polish-American Geostrategist, September 1997
Being a muslim and living in Europe I find this rather, well, let’s call it “interesting”:
One man in his early 20’s, who was leading a Ukrainian nationalist rally stated, “We want the Europe that the crusaders fought for, the Europe that the European nationalists fought for, the Europe of white people. Muslims humiliate native people now and they take away our lands. We will stand for a white Europe, a traditional Europe!”
http://rt.com/news/156604-ukraine-southeast-crisis-diary/
I wonder if there is any connection as to how the German government handled the case of the “Döner murders”, as the media called it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosphorus_serial_murders#Original_Suspicions
(At the moment, potential witnesses are dying at an inclining rate).
Anyway, why do so many EU-politicians love Ukrainian “nationalists” (whom they don’t dare to call fascists) so much? That really begs the question.
But on a more serious note:
LOUNA – Карма мира / OFFICIAL VIDEO / 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KN673RH_ASA
The video includes footage from this powerful short film:
Небо видело всё http://vimeo.com/24082161
That song isn’t part of the film, but some of the group’s other songs are. Incredible soundtrack. It’s a “love story” set in a fictional Russia that has broken up into something like what the western ziofascists would like to see happen to Russia. Two lovers find themselves on opposite sides. One unintentionally kills the other. He revives her, but ages. I’m not sure if it’s supposed to be all in his mind at that point, the way she moves on seems to confer that, but the debilitating sadness and self-guilt shown is hard to watch. I’ve yet to find subtitles for this film, so beyond those speculations I don’t know. Hopefully, somebody will translate the film eventually.
Here is that scene where she revives, which takes soon after where the Карма мира music video ends:
Louna – Во мне http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3TNI4hPbTU
To me it looks like the film represents something like what is happening in the Ukraine right now. Poignant, almost prescient, where families and friends are being forced apart by scum.
Louna doing the latter song live:
LOUNA – Во мне (LIVE HD) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJ_Itw0VKwA
Louna is part Ukrainian. The singer and bass player are, I’m not sure of the others. The two are also part of a famous Ukrainian group called Tracktor Bowling. A couple of their more famous songs:
Tracktor Bowling “Walking On Glass” Russian Rock Music http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGQdAZMjY-A&feature=related
Tracktor Bowling “Yours” Russian Rock Music http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akyVZc1JB-c
TRACKTOR BOWLING “Ничья” (Nobody’s) / OFFICIAL VIDEO / 2011 / Russian Rock http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTc_GjZRreU
Отпусти (tracktor bowling) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goigiQWhIB8
Now:
TRACKTOR BOWLING INTRO (KUBANA 2013) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHRr4bKhCLE
A People’s War in East Ukraine
http://consortiumnews.com/2014/05/03/a-peoples-war-in-east-ukraine/
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I suspect many people believe [or assume] that the only thing you need to do to become a marksman it to pick up a rifle.
Let me assure you, we are talking about a true ‘art’ here. Marksmen move around in teams [3-5 wo/men] and are highly trained professionals.
The moment I heard about the snipers in Kiev, I knew [instinctively] it had to be military trained individuals who did the shooting.
The fact that Gennady Kernes was hurried out of the country [Ukraine] to Israel, indicates the presence of more than only Israeli embassy personnel.
That fact that he was shot in the back, indicates that this was not an attempt to really kill him.
Here’s a successful [close up] deletion of a target; approach from behind, when at [approximately] arm length, pull pistol, shoot in head [body drops down instantly], shoot twice more [in head], drop gun and disappear.
Summary from https://twitter.com/spainbuca
~ 9 UTC
Kiev militias begin operation with tanks in Slavyansk
[edel pons @spainbuca: Carlos, I’ve heard that there has been a lot of movement of troops in Crimea, many aircraft, what do you know about that?]
Not just many but truly a very large amount, really incredible, military cargo aircraft coming from Russia, lots of them.
Takeoffs and landings in Crimea are continuous, arrival of great amount of military cargo from Russia to Crimea
We are told that the protocol to the clear airspace of commercial aviation may be activated
One of the military officers who has always been prudent in his words, tells me “war is already a reality”
Members of the Ukrainian military who put on a white armband would be indicating they are going over to the Russian side.
@ Nora,
I have replied to you regarding your question about Bethlehem in the the thread you asked the question.
Best regards,
Mohamed.
According to German security personnel, there are CIA and FBI people in Kiev, ‘helping the Kiev regime’ with securing the east and setting up a security apparatus:
http://www.bild.de/politik/ausland/nachrichtendienste-usa/dutzende-agenten-von-cia-und-fbi-beraten-kiew-35807724.bild.html
The European MSM mention that in passing. After all, CIA = good, FSB = WWIII is starting …
~10:24 UTC
Incredible, radars that become empty of information
[Francisco López: according to IATA there are problems with the reception of GPS signal in flights over Ukrainian airspace]
We are losing communication with some flights
They are blinding our radars, fuck, there are commercial flights in the air, does anybody care???
[eden pons: close the airspace]
Here orders shine by their absence. We need to receive orders
~10:38
https://twitter.com/spainbuca
Radars are back to normal
It was probably a test to see if we can be blinded. The military rely on this tower more than on theirs.
One minor disagreement with you here Saker. While the Dniepr would be a logical boundary in most places in Ukraine should Russia see the need to move west, there’s one problem. It would split the city of Kiev in two. That won’t happen. Not considering it’s historical significance. If Russia goes that far, they will take the whole city. The issue then would be how much further west would they go to create some kind of buffer around Kiev? There is no natural line that makes sense as a border, so it will likely be arbitrary, like most borders are. Likewise, it might not make sense to leave Odessa in the hands of Banderastan either.
MS
Interview with the pilot of helicopter that was shot over Slaviansk:
It was unexpected reaction from peaceful population. About 10 hits with different weapons. The machine eeds intensive repair
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=IEyT2l0YL6g
N-V
My opinion:
countdown for Kiev central governement has started.
Military coup egyptian style in few days (hours)
Russian army in South east if needed
Dniepr as front line
Just started reading this blog and it’s very interesting, such an antidote to the venomous bile of the Russophobic Western MSM. Russia is the one being attacked but give credit to Putin, Lavrov & co, they are so diplomatic and still so willing to resolve this through dialogue….in public. In private of course they know full well that NATO and their Ukie thugs are going for broke and with such a dangerous & uncompromising attitude as this, what can one do but wait for them to implode? The tragedy of this policy sadly is that more ethnic Russians will die & get hurt but it is probably still the only thing Russia itself can do. I have no doubt though that if we see a few more “Odessas”, Russia will act, and will act decisively.
kalithea said…
“It won’t be a cake-walk. Russia should use covert operations to help ethnic Russians defend themselves, it’s the humane thing to do, although regrettably, there still will be casualties. But ethnic Russians should stay away from committing atrocities, they should limit themselves to targetting the fascists and military, and Putin should put a target on the fascist leaders and attempt to create chaos in the ranks of the junta. How? I’m not sure, but Putin must have connections and some tricks up his sleeve. It’s going to take a lot of intelligence; both kinds of intelligence.”
That makes the most sense, certainly. Once the Russians come in greater numbers (I think they will) and make it clear that anyone fighting them will be dealt with seriously, this will immediately eliminate the majority of the military, who are already more on the Russian side of things than on Kiev’s side.
That will leave the fascist extremists and the mercenaries in a tough spot.
The Russians should also make it clear that mercenaries are not entitled to prisoner of war status. Their status as hired murderers is more akin to common mafia hitmen, and can be dealt with accordingly (i.e. with appropriate expediency if necessary).
Рамзан Кадыров: Обещаю не оставить без внимания крики о помощи из Славянска
Тысячи чеченцев готовы в любую минуту встать на защиту мирных жителей Украины. Они ждут приказа, который будет молниеносно выполнен. Уверен, что такой же настрой и в других регионах. Россия и её народы поддерживают твердую позицию президента РФ Владимира Путина по Украине. Это главное, а не пустые разговоры на Совбезе ООН!”
http://glagol.in.ua/2014/05/03/ramzan-kadyirov-obeshhayu-ne-ostavit-bez-vnimaniya-kriki-o-pomoshhi-iz-slavyanska/
Interesting: Chechens pledge to assist Putin in Ukraine.
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