1. The Cauldron has not been totally suppressed as of 08:19 10.08.2014. Scattered pockets of Uke troops are still resisting. They are promptly overwhelmed as Resistance conducts their sweeps of the mostly abandoned Uke positions in The Cauldron. Confirmed.
2. Of the over 700 Uke troops who ran to and crossed the Norovorossiya/RF border more than 60% have asked for asylum. The remainder have been repatriated to Ukraine by their request. Confirmed.
3. A bargain was made two days ago for some Uke units to leave The Cauldron. The bargain was the Ukes leave their undamaged vehicles, both transport and fighting vehicles. Buses were provided by the Ukes to meet this group and transport them away from The Cauldron. Confirmed.
4. Another group of Ukes in The Cauldron attempted an armed breakout. This group has a very high proportion of foreign fighters, mostly Polish but with ‘others’. Their column was attacked continuously during the attempt and lost significant numbers of troops and equipment. It is estimated that of almost 700 who made the attempt less than 225 managed to escape after abandoning their wounded during the fighting. The attempt and loses are confirmed.
5. It has been noticed that the continuous Uke bombardments of civilian living areas in villages, towns and cities are hitting the ‘ordinary workers and peasants’ districts. The very extensive wealthy areas are virtually untouched by the Uke arty.
6. With the number of Resistance observers in The Cauldron much intelligence information was gathered in addition to FAO activities. This information has been given to RF with extensive written information and large amounts of photographic evidence. This information is being used in the prosecution of now 9 Uke officers and 14 Uke NCO detained in Russian Federation for investigation of possible commission of war crimes involving the use of prohibited weapons against civilian targets in Novorossiya, the targeting of civilian areas in Novorossiya, the murder of 1 citizen of RF in Russia, the wounding of 7 citizens of RF in Russia and the destruction of both public and private property in Russian Federation. Confirmed.
7. Additional use of Tuchka U tactical ballistic missiles is unconfirmed. The use of the first 3 (or 4) Tuchka U systems resulted in the inability of the missiles to complete their course to their targets. Two very large impact craters have been observed in outlying villages in the Donetsk area since the first launches but it is unknown what caused the craters. While the surrounding houses were damaged by the impacts they do not show the massive damage that would have resulted from the air detonation of a Tuchka which would totally destroy any structure or living entity within 200 meters of the blast.
8. The overall situation in Novorossiya is very fluid as of 09:00 local time. The remains of the units from The Cauldron have now combined with the Uke units that were trying to break through Resistance ‘lines’ and relieve The Cauldron and are attacking originally north and have now realigned their attacks and are aimed directly at Lugansk Aerodrome some kilometers away. There is the possibility of another cauldron forming around Antratsyt. If this comes to pass it is doubtful any mercy will be shown to the Uke forces trapped inside. As of 10:05 local time there are no significant ground actions on the northwest lines of Novorossiya, all attacks are on the southeast areas.
9. While the tactical fighting is to and fro with many Resistance resounding successes the overall strategic situation for Novorossiya has not changed. Novorossiya is still vastly outnumbered by the Uke armed forces in manpower and catastrophically outnumbered in hardware regardless of the huge captures of Uke equipment by Novorossiya AF. The Ukes have the option of massing where they want and when they want and conducting forward movement operations as they please. The Novorossiya AF have not the manpower to fully man ‘the lines’ (neither do the Ukes) but Novorossiya AF are conducting defensive operations against an increasingly aggressive foe who is learning on the fly and learning well.
10. The political situation is still the same in regards to The West. RF is ‘forbidden’ to help Novorossiya with humanitarian aid or to position RF troops on or near the increasingly volatile borders between RF/Ukeland according to the US delegate to UN, Nato and Brussels. Moving the Aegis cruiser Vella Gulf in to the Black Sea is a non starter. The Black Sea is a Russian lake and any aggressive moves by the cruiser may well result in an incident that will have far reaching consequences, not the least of which will be to Vella Gulf himself.
11. The gradual introduction of NATO troops and equipment in to Ukeland proper is of far more import. The first official ‘non lethal’ equipment shipment from ‘Canada’ has arrived in Kharkov via Nato air transport on 09.08.2014. Another shipment is scheduled for shortly after 12:00 on 10.08.2014. It is confirmed that there are Nato troops on the ground in Kharkov to assist in the unloading of the cargoes and the training involved with the new equipment and to guard the area in aerodrome proper. Note. To train Uke soldiers in the sophisticated night vision and other electronic equipment will take a month or more of intensive work. Ukeland does not have a month nor does Nato. Who is going to use this equipment? It is also confirmed that there is an ever increasing and not small cadre of American troops in Kiev assisting the Ukeland government in their prosecution of the war under the nominal auspices of NATO.
12. Conclusions. Russia will not allow Novorossiya to fall. Russian Army will not cross the borders with Novorossiya unless there is a catastrophic attack involving massive civilian casualties in Novorossiya or Russian Federation.
keep the good work Saker !!
a month ago there were lot talk about tank base in Artemovsk (few hundred tanks in reserve),any info about those tanks/base ,did milita ever take it,if not, what are they waiting for?
Most of all us believe the last comment that RF will not allow Novorossiya to fall.
However, why allow Novorossiya to suffer so much?
Using the words of Nikolai Starikov:
“This is our country, and thus, the rules will also be ours. We have played by your rules long enough. Thank you, our dear partners that you have now abolished your own rules. This has delivered us from the need to withdraw unilaterally.
You didn’t expect this?
Get used to it. We are back.”
. . . what is keeping the RF from driving the humanitarian aid into Donbass, giving it air cover, and suppressing the air defenses of the Ukie’s, and daring NATO to stop them?
The UN has said it should be allowed in.
Just do it.
The RF is not afraid of suppressing the US electronics ship in the Black Sea. The RF is flying bombers into US zones. The RF is chasing US submarines out of RF waters.
What the hell is the problem across the border, watching Russians being killed and Donbass destroyed?
Roll those tactical nuke weapons to the border and show the Ukies who makes the rules in the neighborhood.
The New Straits Times article from Malaysia that was censored later can be read here:
“Missile, cannon brought down jet?”
https://kosmologelei.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/nst06082014-page6.jpg
front page:
https://twitter.com/NST_Online/status/496798739453853696/photo/1
High resolution photos of the debris:
https://secure.flickr.com/photos/jeroenakkermans/with/14563130649/
Map of the debris locations:
http://www.rijksoverheid.nl/bestanden/documenten-en-publicaties/kaarten/2014/08/09/kaart-vliegramp-mh17/20140809-mh17-kaart-fasering-1600.gif
Looks like the jet was still able to alter its course after being hit.
Espina said
http://www.voltairenet.org/article184973.html
Conclusions. Russia will not allow Novorossiya to fall.
This is based on what evidence, exactly? I very much hope it is true, but now I am having serious doubts. One hope is serous internal political problems in Ukraine.
12. Conclusions. Russia will not allow Novorossiya to fall. Russian Army will not cross the borders with Novorossiya unless there is a catastrophic attack involving massive civilian casualties in Novorossiya or Russian Federation////
so, in other words there is no catastrophic attack nor massive civilian casualties YET ?!
Residents showing their destructed homes and telling their stories. The guy starting at 11:19 thanks Vladimir Vlaidmirovich a few times
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgFxJ3IPpMw
I do not think Russia wants any part of Ukraine, except for Crimea. Russia has been gradually engaging in “import substitution” since about the year 2000. They now intend to remove all remaining production out of Ukraine and into Russia. I understand that there are maybe four million Ukrainians working in Russia. I expect that many more skilled workers and well educated people will be invited, but not criminals, alcoholics, oligarchs, etc.
Ukraine needs maybe $4 billion a month, forever, which the EU and US do not want to provide (that’s why they keep trying to provoke Russia to invade). Therefore, Ukraine will default and its currency will collapse. None of the criminals in Ukrainian politics will be able to manage the country. What will be needed is a complete nationalization of all of the oligarchs property and installation of a true peoples government.
Perhaps, these thoughts will help to show the end game for this struggle.
From Stargazers Window
http://mundanestagebuch.blogspot.de/2014/08/im-katarakt-von-zwei-quadraten.html
However, why allow Novorossiya to suffer so much?
Roll those tactical nuke weapons to the border and show the Ukies who makes the rules in the neighborhood.
Sorry, but all the evidence states that Putin is not on Novorossiya’s side.
Putin just fired 18 generals who wanted serious help given to Novorossiya.
Larchmonter445
My feelings are very similar to yours.
But while Russia could, of course, extremely easily annihilate the ukratine troups and would also have no problems with european troups who dared to challenge Russia, there is major factor Russia must keep in mind, propaganda and hundreds of millions of brainwashed europeans who somehow feel that something is wrong but still kind of accept all the western media lies.
In fact, I’m convinced, the “unloading help” and “instructional help” by nato forces isn’t to bring in material but to be present or, more precisely, to have some nato personel around. So, if Russia attacked it would be confronted with the risk of a nato strike-“back”. It’s a trap by the wezt.
Russia has done excellent work so far in the truth battle. Increasingly many europeans have understood that their regimes are but whores and liars working for washington. Those who haven’t reached that point yet are at least feeling more and more doubts.
This is extremely important strategically. Because the weztern nato regimes would have a very hard time or would even fail to establish the necessary context and support for war. If a considerable portion of your citizens don’t believe your stories, you can’t go to war.
That’s why it’s so extremely advantageous — if cruel and sad — that the kiev rat regime seems decisive to shell Donetzk. This is an extremely powerful archetypal image; an army against a large city with hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians being bombed is something that can’t be explained or propagandized away by the weztern whores.
So, having waited so long so patiently and tolerating the pain and sadness has led Russia to a point where they can attack in full force and the european nato member will, at least for the biggest part, be forced to deny uza’s request for a war against Russia. Even mentioning that Russia killed some nato personel wouldn’t change a lot; people in europe would just shrug and say “Well their fault. They shouldn’t have gone there and played with fire in the first place”.
The question is not whether Novorossija and Russia will win – they definitely will. That would even win, if nato attacked them; the times when nato was powerful are long gone.
What, however, *is* a question, and an important one, is whether that can be kept contained in ukratine or whether it evolves into a world war costing million ad millions of lives in Russia and europe.
Don’t forget! Each and every one of us can do their small part simply by supporting Russias fight against the lies. Go and share your insights! let your neighbours know, your friends, your colleagues. If you are in an online community, open a thread and/or post the truth.
And keep in mind: It’s *not* about convincing people of Russias or Novorossijas views. It’s about unmasking the weztern regimes and media, in particular the uza ones, as the dirty liars they are.
Larchmonter
I think Novorossiya will have to suffer a bit longer for a number of reasons. For instance if you saw the number of license tags here in Krim from Novorossiya, many driven by strapping young lads who should be serving instead of sitting in Krim and taking in the sun while they wait for the war to be won, you would understand. It’s a terrible choice to have to make but the choice has been apparently made.
Toss in that situation the global implications of the war up north and understanding that VVP will not move until he is ready rather than start a much bigger war and at least I understand why the delay. That is not to say I like the delay, I am saying I understand it.
Mr. Putin is a master of timing and statesmanship. Take the sanctions against selected countries of two days ago. It is harvest time in north and central EU especially for certain fruits and vegetables. Most have been harvested, packed and a good number were in transit for RF. Trucks by the hundreds have been turned back in the last 36 hours. Poland is already screaming that US has to buy their bountiful apple and fruit crops. Latvia had her economy destroyed in one swoop with the fish ban. Norway has been hurt badly with the same ban. The hundreds of square miles of hot houses in Holland are suddenly mostly redundant, they have no market now for the year round produce. Canada’s pork production took a massive hit and the economic price to Canada will be staggering. VVP hit at the exact moment to do the maximum damage to the EU, Canada and to an extent US economies. Costs of production have been incurred, costs of packing incurred and cost of shipping for a great deal have been incurred, all with no result. Reality is the Russian market for EU food products is gone. Argentina, Chile, Cuba, South Africa, Turkei, all will benefit from the EU/US foolishness.
What I’m trying to say is timing is everything. I’m sure if it comes to a needed military intervention then VVP will do it when the moment is ripe and not before.
As Starikov said, “We are back. Get used to it.” Truer words were never spoken and I hope The West takes notice.
re: “Ukeland does not have a month nor does Nato.”
Wonder why.
Anon:
Looks like the jet was still able to alter its course after being hit.
The jet spiraled out of control while crashing, shedding its cockpit and tale outward from the spiral. This was not an intentional course alteration.
Does anyone know why RT has not been airing regular episodes of Crosstalk for the last two weeks? I support Lavelle could be on summer vacation but am just wondering if anyone knows definitively what is up with Crosstalk.
> It has been noticed that the continuous Uke bombardments of civilian living areas in
> villages, towns and cities are hitting the ‘ordinary workers and peasants’ districts.
> The very extensive wealthy areas are virtually untouched by the Uke arty.
… which doesn’t come as a surprise. After all, it’s the crème of the Kiev bourgeoisie that’s doing the bombing in Novorussiya. Why should they hit their own? From the American civil war to the Russian revolution, from Northern Ireland to Ukraine, if history has taught us anything it is the primacy of bourgeois class interest over national interest or silly notions like ‘the greater common good’. There really is something like global solidarity. But it isn’t among the working people of 200+ countries who are easily controlled and kept apart with disinformation and propaganda. This cozy global solidarity exists among the 1 to 5 percent of investors, exploiters and treacherous rats in any society who don’t have real roots anywhere and who don’t have a heimat or a motherland. Harpal Brar mentions the class dimension of the Novorussiyan struggle in in his latest article …
The spirited resistance being put up by the self-defense militias is not happening in a vacuum, but reflects a deep-seated proletarian revulsion in the industrialized south and east of the country against the West-backed Kiev junta. Reports which talk only of “pro-Russian separatists” or “Russian nationalists” are designed to conceal the class dimension of the struggle that is unfolding.
As to the rest of Juan’s report … what can one say? The daily reports of the ups and downs, the successes and losses have been coming since months now while the corpses of thousands of civilians and fighters have been piling up. It is horrible! Since one or two weeks I also get the impression that something big and new is building up on the Uke side (some plot involving direct NATO intervention?) which would probably overwhelm the Novorossiyan forces. So far the Kremlin’s policies have been strictly legalistic and non-interventionist and Vladimir Putin has kept his cool even during the most outrageous and criminal excesses of the Kiev junta. But I think the time for an active intervention of the RF is coming fast now and I don’t believe a few properly targeted air drops or Iskander hits will do the trick.
Ukie soldiers are being juiced up with drugs;
▶ Ukraine Crisis | Ukr. Govt. Turning Their Soldiers Into Drug Addicts | English Subtitles – YouTube
Ukie soldiers not making friends in Donbass:
▶ Ukraine Crisis | I lost my neighbours in 15 seconds! | English Subtitles – YouTube
nkmrthrm rtutvlh”12. Conclusions. Russia will not allow Novorossiya to fall. Russian Army will not cross the borders with Novorossiya unless there is a catastrophic attack involving massive civilian casualties in Novorossiya or Russian Federation. “
is this the encircling of Donetsk that we are hearing about on MSM?
Speaking of MSM, Swiss printed media is still Russophobic with a slight shift to nuetral. The Swiss seem to be caught in their ‘nuetrality’ again. The overall tendency is to tell the EU to stuff their sanctions but the political parties themselves are split internally. It’s going to be interesting going forward. There is no news regarding the Malaysian airline incident and the bit of back tracking by Der Spiegel and the article from the Handelsblatt was not picked up anywhere. The Zürich Sontags Zeitung does a full page interview with the pres. of Estland (Estonia) who with proper questioning does not hesitate to formulate Swiss foreign policy. However when he was asked what effect the RU sanctions will have on his country, he had no answer. Another Dumbkopf heard from. The editor, some wet-behind-the ears kid is scared s**tless of the US, EU and DE. I’m amazed he crawled out of his closet long enough to pen an editorial.
Ukrainian ambassador questioned by Malaysian reporters about mh17.
http://deepresource.wordpress.com/2014/08/10/uneasy-ukrainian-ambassador-questioned-by-malaysians/
Kind regards,
Dutch
With regard to Crosstalk,Peter Lavelle has been on vacation for 3 weeks. He is now back in harness. His Facebook page has been active during his break.
The space time continuum is not broken.
WRT the rebels, I think that Auslander is right. The rebellion is still very much a minority thing with little popular support. Most folks are complacent. Here’s a thing that struck me:I have been relatively well off and I have been pretty damned poor. When I had nothing I had nothing to fight for. Nothing to defend and certainly nothing for which to die. Very few people will die for a belief and most of those people, if not rich, are not poverty stricken either. When I was better off then I had things for which to fight, things that needed protection and defending.
For most people, even in the Donbas region, there’s not much change. Unemployment like usual, poverty like usual, boredom like usual.
Right now the sun is shining, life goes on, there’s nothing over which most people are willing to die.
In addition we should remember that there’s more than a few people in the area whose sympathies are absolutely NOT with the rebels. There’s not going to be a popular uprising until one of two conditions prevails:
Firstly:the rebellion is going so well that a choice to join a winning team is an easy and risk free one to make.
Or
Secondly: the Junta successfully intrudes upon the lives of the majority of the citizens such that the Junta’s forces become a real and significant threat to a much greater number of people than at the moment.
With regard to Crosstalk,Peter Lavelle has been on vacation for 3 weeks. He is now back in harness. His Facebook page has been active during his break.
The space time continuum is not broken.
WRT the rebels, I think that Auslander is right. The rebellion is still very much a minority thing with little popular support. Most folks are complacent. Here’s a thing that struck me:I have been relatively well off and I have been pretty damned poor. When I had nothing I had nothing to fight for. Nothing to defend and certainly nothing for which to die. Very few people will die for a belief and most of those people, if not rich, are not poverty stricken either. When I was better off then I had things for which to fight, things that needed protection and defending.
For most people, even in the Donbas region, there’s not much change. Unemployment like usual, poverty like usual, boredom like usual.
Right now the sun is shining, life goes on, there’s nothing over which most people are willing to die.
In addition we should remember that there’s more than a few people in the area whose sympathies are absolutely NOT with the rebels. There’s not going to be a popular uprising until one of two conditions prevails:
Firstly:the rebellion is going so well that a choice to join a winning team is an easy and risk free one to make.
Or
Secondly: the Junta successfully intrudes upon the lives of the majority of the citizens such that the Junta’s forces become a real and significant threat to a much greater number of people than at the moment.
Auslander,
You are suggesting that Putin has the choice of timing. Some of us are worried that the situation is such that the US might drive Russia into being forced to act.
By the way, have you talked to any of those lads who don’t want to fight? What do they say?
Although the largest Dutch newspaper de Telegraaf continues to suggest that rebels took down the plane, the commenters in overwhelming majority are inclined to blame Kiev for downing the mh17:
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/mh17/22949162/___MH17_was_een_vergissing___.html
Very encouraging development. And it is not just the Telegraaf, it is a majority position. Kiev is not trusted.
Kind regards,
Dutch
Russia is not seeing the support on the ground to intervene in DPR. Watch the videos, all those young men waving at the DPR tanks as bystanders. Russia won’t commit because people living in DPR/LPR won’t.
@Auslander:
if you saw the number of license tags here in Krim from Novorossiya, many driven by strapping young lads who should be serving instead of sitting in Krim and taking in the sun while they wait for the war to be won, you would understand.
Yes, I read a sad exchange on Twitter the other day. A poster from that area who evidently is close to the military, put out an urgent call for people to volunteer as drivers for the defense forces. He got one public reply: a young man (I assume youth b/c he described himself as a web designer) complaining that Ukie forces were getting closer to his town everyday, how could this be happening? I wanted to ask the young man why he was not getting his ass in gear and answering the urgent summons, but of course it’s not my place to speak up to anyone in that situation.
Just a small incident, but illustrative of the larger situation, I think.
“Russian Army will not cross the borders with Novorossiya unless there is a catastrophic attack involving massive civilian casualties in Novorossiya or Russian Federation”
But have there not been massive civilian casualties in Novorossiya already? Is this just another hogwash???………
@tavrik you have the best analysis on this thread.
Since Russia, from the point of view of NATO and Kiev, is already in Ukraine (remember Crimea), how come Russia does’nt understand that, provided Ukraine “wins” its ATO operation, NATO will expect the final nail in Russia’s coffin to be hammered by ukie forces with “individual countries”´armies helping. Canada is already showing what´s coming: military confrontation against russian forces. Russia still has the opportunity to choose the timing and location. But soon this will not be the case…
Robert Parry at Consortium News reports that the New York Times somehow managed to slip some truth into the final three paragraphs of a 29-paragraph article dated yesterday:
NYT Discovers Ukraine’s Neo-Nazis at War
The New York Times reported almost in passing on Sunday that the Ukrainian government’s offensive against ethnic Russian rebels in the east has unleashed far-right paramilitary militias that have even raised a neo-Nazi banner over the conquered town of Marinka, just west of the rebel stronghold of Donetsk.
Here’s the final three paragraphs (bolds are mine) from the NYT piece (linked from the Consortium News link above):
The fighting for Donetsk has taken on a lethal pattern: The regular army bombards separatist positions from afar, followed by chaotic, violent assaults by some of the half-dozen or so paramilitary groups surrounding Donetsk who are willing to plunge into urban combat.
Officials in Kiev say the militias and the army coordinate their actions, but the militias, which count about 7,000 fighters, are angry and, at times, uncontrollable. One known as Azov, which took over the village of Marinka, flies a neo-Nazi symbol resembling a Swastika as its flag.
In pressing their advance, the fighters took their orders from a local army commander, rather than from Kiev. In the video of the attack, no restraint was evident. Gesturing toward a suspected pro-Russian position, one soldier screamed, “The bastards are right there!” Then he opened fire.
To train Uke soldiers in the sophisticated night vision and other electronic equipment will take a month or more of intensive work. Ukeland does not have a month nor does Nato.
What is going to happen in a month? Do you mean that the NAF will collapse completely before then?
Is there going to be some sudden turn of the tide? Things sound very bad for the NAF to me. The two sides are arguing about things like whether the NAF lines of communication between the two capitals and between the capitals and the Russian border have been entirely cut or merely almost cut.
mijj wrote yesterday:
“i hope the action of posting a comment is cleaner and more obvious. Right now, it’s not clear if a post has been successfully made…”
I suspect this will be fixed in The Saker’s update, but in the meantime, for mijj and others posting duplicates:
Though the current system is unwieldy and uncommon, it is clear when a comment has been posted.
I had the same problem the first two times I commented, but then noticed:
Once you think you have posted, look at the upper left of the refreshed page.
If you see Your comment has been saved and will be visible after blog owner approval. (the very first line just below the Blogger logo), then your comment was successfully posted.
If your comment did not post (because you didn’t notice the captcha needed to be done again, probably because you edited your comment in Preview), that line will not appear.
Auslander: “As Starikov said, “We are back. Get used to it.” Truer words were never spoken and I hope The West takes notice.”
The facts are that in a game of war Russia wins by geography. The “west” cannot pose a real threat to Russia in the Ukraine in military terms. That would take a long term committment and probably a re-arming and re-militarisation of Germany – something the Atlantic sea powers won’t dare to do, lest they lose the drivers seat they now occupy.
And in a war using sanctions Russia wins too. What does the west export to Russia? Mostly goods that can be indengiously supplied like foodstuffs, and luxury items that are not a necessity, and machinery that can be either manufactured within Russia or bought from others, such as China.
Some high-tech goods might be lacking but they’re not enough to inflict severe pain.
Now, what about Russian exports to the west? Gas – for one thing – is absolutely crucial. It is also very hard to replace. And while a stop in russian gas exports to the west would hurt Russia economically the lack of gas would hurt the western (european) customers many times more.
Oil also, and that has the nice feature that Russia could just sell to other willing customers.
The thing is theres little reason for Putin to be in a hurry here. Whatever the foaming-at-the-mouth western MSN spews forth, he’s sitting in the better position.
And sure there’s individual suffering in the Donbass that he might could have prevented but this is a struggle for civilisations, not for villages in a country where the populace seem less than determined to fight themselves.
Putin just has to wait this one out. When the realisation of how the sanctions will hit sink in, and when General Winter inevitably comes on the scene, the tables will have turned.
@Auslander 15:15
”Timing is everything”+1000
..harvest time in north and replacement suppliers in south for meat, fish, dairy products, fruits and vegetables are going into spring.
Ready to fill the shelves are–Argentina, Brazil Chile, Peru, South Africa, Turkey and New Zealand.
Just imagine! 1,000 containers of Canadian pork products packed for “Russian taste” on the water to the RF. Two days ago 300 trucks from the Netherlands refused entry.
Russian market for agricultural products from sanctioned countries gone for a very long time, not just 1 year.
* US oil giant ExxonMobil ignores:
BRICSPOST:
ExxonMobil starts Russian drilling with US-sanctioned Rosneft
http://thebricspost.com/exxonmobil-starts-russian-drilling-with-us-sanctioned-rosneft/#.U-e4dlaoXwI
”Russian President Vladimir Putin on Saturday gave the start signal through a teleconference for joint drilling in Russia’s northernmost offshore exploration well. Russian state oil company Rosneft and US oil and gas giant ExxonMobil have gone ahead with the drill, sidestepping the strain in US-Russia relations over Ukraine and subsequent round of Western sanctions on Russia.
In what could be a critical development for the Russian economy as it tests the potential of the unexplored Arctic Ocean, drilling has now officially begun in the $700 million oil well in the East Prinovozemelskiy field in the Kara Sea.”
* Russia and China central Banks completes currency swap agreements – bypass the dollar
http://rt.com/business/179032-currency-swap-russia-china/
Not to be overlooked AP reported on July 22, a rift between NATO ally Mr. Erdogan, PM Turkey and Mr. Obama, U. S. President. They were once very close.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap/article-2701720/Turkish-PM-says-Obama-no-longer-talk-directly.html
More important though is Turkey’s move to de-dollarize:
Turkey offers a Russian move in mutual national currencies
google translate (h/t ZH)
Google translate
[.]”As one of the measures to stimulate the development of trade and economic relations between Russia and Turkey, the Turkish side proposes to move in mutual national currencies. The question now being discussed at the site of a bilateral working group on banking and financial cooperation.”[.]
Can we say the USEU are speeding to a train wre
Nobody is talking about the MH 17 anymore here in the European MSM.They are in full panic mode with ISIS and Ebola…it is still holidays season,a lot of people are not aware at all of what is happening in Ukraine(they also don’t care and do not connect the dots).
This from Ron Paul:
Ron Paul: US ‘likely hiding truth’ on downed Malaysian Flight MH17
http://rt.com/usa/179284-ron-paul-mh17-ukraine/
No news from the black boxes,same for the data from the Atc.
Very strange.If the West would have very strong elements,I’m sure we would already had a great show on all tv of the ‘free world’,to bring us ‘evidences,sat pictures etc etc).
What’s happening in Moscow?Coup d’état?
Who are these 18 generals fired and for which reason?It is true or disinfo?
Why the Russians are accepting all terms and conditions about an humanitarian help convoy,from the West?
Did Obama ask Putin go ahead for the same kind of huma missions elsewhere?
Why RF does not send back the 4 millions ukies working in RF?
I’m sure Yats and porochoco will find them a good job…
Ukie sanctions against RF are forseen for next thursday(not a joke)…let’s wait and see
Already there is a masdive casualties of ethnic Russians in Ukraine
Is Russia so stupid to wait for permission to reluve own men and women from aggresdion sponsoed by the anglos controlled west and Uno?
So weak and stupid of Russia to sit on backside.
Saker,
Do you have any info and opinion on the Russian govt dismissals mentioned above?
I think the resistance fighters are more than able to recruit a small work force of the non fighting people and let them get the red cross stuff on the border themselves ? Russia will not enter novorussia with humanitarian aid because of many reasons including the slander and unproven lies campaign by USA NATO and the foolish greedy EU and the useless UN while on the other hand poroshenko just to avoid suspicion too much “considers humanitarian aid” and even more advanteous asks USA to “help” while there is no problem or debate about usa canada nato delivering military aid to the ukranian agressor who is committing ethnic cleansing genocide war crimes! And how come usa can train jihadists in syria and finance and arm them ? Fight the same jihadists in iraq at their free will and choice airstrikes ? Food droppings ? Helping kurds to get their new country kurdistan ? What level of hypocrisy double standards ? Isis isil is is a branch that came from the root al-qaida and its ranks are filled with us trained and financed and armed moderate rebels from syria al-qaida rooted in the mujahideen financed armed trained by usa cia project in afghanistan in the war against ??? Yes russia nothing changed nothing stopped usa is continuing its greedy power money resource hungry divide and conquer policy under the guise of justice and peace war on terror democracy etc etc usa go to hell !! Usa and nato are the problem not russia
And for those like myself whose hearts are tied to the NAF, remember the phrase “they must always be seen to lose” in a dissertation discussing Novorussia propaganda. And they are always seen to lose – but they continue to win.
Can anyone clarify what seems like conflicting info for me?
From the SITREP:
>>1. The Cauldron has not been totally suppressed as of 08:19 10.08.2014. Scattered pockets of Uke troops are still resisting. They are promptly overwhelmed as Resistance conducts their sweeps of the mostly abandoned Uke positions in The Cauldron. Confirmed.<<
So, there are still Ukie forces in the Cauldron.
>>8. The overall situation in Novorossiya is very fluid as of 09:00 local time. The remains of the units from The Cauldron have now combined with the Uke units that were trying to break through Resistance ‘lines’ and relieve The Cauldron and are attacking originally north and have now realigned their attacks and are aimed directly at Lugansk Aerodrome some kilometers away.<<
Number 1 says forces are still trapped there and number 8 says they joined the ones trying to break them out. Which is it?
Stargazer
now in english
http://astromundanediary.blogspot.de/2014/08/in-cataract-of-two-squares.html
@ Dutch, the Ukraine ambassador interview, what is he on about?? Honestly the english subtitles are just bollocks to me.
With regards to de Telegraaf comments section, The BBC has no comments open for reports from Ukraine.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-28732180
r n r from U.K.
German tv comedy show mocks the idea that Putin and Russia are cause of Ukrainian civil war:
http://rt.com/news/179288-german-show-ukraine-evidence-ridiculed/
Novoamerica Armed Forces
Americans. Let’s learn a lesson from the Russian Federation. The next revolution will be atomized, individualized and asymmetric. Initial weapons will be tax resistance, consumption resistance, data resistance, individualized sanctions, boycotts, strikes, the black market economy, cash, bitcoins . . . political campaigns and street demonstrations won’t work and in fact are dangerous for the resistance due to mass surveillance and incarceration policies. Cut off their money. Then – the next stage – active self defense. Arm for self defense. Stock water, food, medicine, ammo and books. Because the internet will be cut off one day outside the militarized cities. Following that – active, armed resistance. America will not survive as a unified state. Prepare the resistance! Build the guerilla! For New America!
Litvinov’s review of the situation as of August 10th is more enlightening…
August of 2014. Fighting for initiative
http://cassad-eng.livejournal.com/51713.html
He complains that the militia blew some opportunities, and that partly this is the result of competition between militia commanders and too much time spent on cauldron destruction and “memento collecting.” The end result was the loss of some towns and some initiative, but that this might be regained.
The long history of Amerikas cia and Ukraine Nazis.
http://dissenter.firedoglake.com/2014/08/09/cia-intervention-in-ukraine-has-been-taking-place-for-decades/
Unconfirmed: Activists in Kharkov region apprehend Ukraine convoy carrying FGM-148 Javelin anti-tank missiles. Photographic evidence. Possible derivation: Nato-Fogh-of-War’s two C-17 “non-lethal aid” deliveries at Kharkov.
What I consider an excellent military summary is found at http://cassad-eng.livejournal.com/ “Fighting for initiative”
Initiative is what it is all about – together with the belief and vision that motivates it. Which begs the question as to why the indifference on the part of people whose homes, communities and culture are being destroyed?
Why is it that so many of those fighting for the Ukrainian army seem to identify Russia with corruption and oligarchs?
Can someone help clarify this?
This is only speculation, but just as western prejudice against Russia reaches back to Soviet times; does Novorussian indifference and Ukrainian association of corruption root back to the Soviet era??
Here is a beautiful statement from the New Russia:
Revolution of the people
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1s3dvor
Some of the weird things that Putin has done.
Putin removes troops from the Ukraine border.
This is Putin giving the green light for coup-Ukraine to begin military action. They did not dare attack before this.
Putin asks for his parliamentary permission to invade coup-Ukraine to be rescinded.
This is Putin giving the green light to fully fledged assault on the south-east.
Putin allows coup-Ukraine troops to be recycled to the Ukrainian front.
Hitler let the entire British Army and much of the French army escape at Dunkirk (he ordered the German tanks stopped when they were about ten miles from Dunkirk). About 350,000 soldiers escaped and nearly all of them returned to fight the Germans.
Putin fires 18 generals who want action.
Hitler fired all his best generals.
More and more it looks like Putin is on the other side.
This is what Iranians concluded about Russia; namely, that there are TWO Russias. One that pretends to be on the Iranian side, but isn’t, and one that is.
DPR should just give up – what good is it when Russia will not intervene? Putin already told them not to have the referendum.
Yes, Putin managed to screw the donbass region while picking up Crimea.
Long term I expect Ukraine to fall back into Russia’s arms – what else can happen? EU and USA won’t provide anything of material value, as they gain practically nothing apart from some missle shield that won’t be of much value in a USA/RU conflict
Two more iconic images from this crime-against -humanity ATO, as the junta calls its destruction of civilians.
You must steel yourself. But you cannot possibly appreciate the ignominy without seeing it.
Perfectly peaceful, noble humans, obliterated by artillery from 15 miles away. Random, senseless, cruel, and worth a moment of reflection and prayer or solemn thought.
Zuhres town, Donestsk. A woman with her child on the way home, child in hospital, mother destroyed, her abdomen sliced by shrapnel, intestines splayed beside her.
Young mother-Donestsk
Lugansk (where human massacre has been documented for months)
An orthodox priest kneeling in prayer, his arm punctured and his life bled out on the sidewalk, his body in homage to a God and beliefs under assault by godless demons in Kiev and Washington.
Orthodox priest-Lugansk
I posted these earlier on another thread.
The President signed a Decree About the dismissal of the members of the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation”.
The full text of the Decree:
In accordance with paragraph 1 of the decree of the President of the Russian Federation of June 27, 2014 №481 “On amendments to Decree of the President of the Russian Federation of January 14, 2011 № 38 “Questions of activity of the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation” and in the list of positions in the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation, which provides for the assignment of the highest special ranks, approved this decree, I resolve:
1. To release from his office from 27 June 2014:
Colonel of justice Bosilka Mikhail Vyacheslavovich, Deputy head of the investigative Committee of the Russian Federation in the Ural Federal district;
Lieutenant-General of justice Zagorodnev Dmitry Nikolaevich, head of the investigation Department of the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation in the Central Federal district;
the General-major of justice Zelenkova Alexander Mikhailovich, head of the investigation Department of the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation for the Volga Federal district;
Lieutenant-General of justice Ilieva Ruslan Karimovich, head of the investigation Department of the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation in the Ural Federal district;
Colonel of justice Kolobkova Lyudmila Vladimirovna, Deputy head of the investigative Committee of the Russian Federation in the Central Federal district;
Lieutenant-General of justice Makova Aleksey Yurievich, head of the investigation Department of the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation in the Northwest Federal district;
Lieutenant-General of justice Reshetnikova Peter Gennadyevich, head of the investigation Department of the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation in far East Federal district;
the General-major of justice Strizhakova Andrey Nikolaevich, Deputy head of the investigative Committee of the Russian Federation in the southern Federal district;
Colonel of justice Turkish Igor Viktorovich, Deputy head of the investigative Committee of the Russian Federation in the Northwest Federal district;
Colonel of justice Fedotova Andrei Yevgenievich, Deputy head of the investigative Committee of the Russian Federation for the Volga Federal district;
Lieutenant-Colonel of justice Khvostov Andrei Mikhailovich, Deputy head of the investigative Committee of the Russian Federation in the Siberian Federal district.
2. This Decree shall enter into force from the day of its signing.
Source: http://translate.yandex.net/tr-url/ru-en.en/kremlin.ru/acts/46405
see part 2 below
Part 2 of Dismisals by Putin
Vladimir Putin signed a decree On the appointment, release from office and dismissal from military service military personnel, and employees of certain Federal state bodies”.
The full text of the Decree:
1. To assign:
Ivanov Stanislav Germanovich – public Prosecutor of the Leningrad region;
major-General Kozlov Oleg Alexandrovich – chief of staff – first Deputy commander of Volga regional command of the internal troops of the Ministry of internal Affairs of the Russian Federation relieving him of his duties;
major-General Hovhannisyan Yeghishe Pavlovich – Deputy commander of the Eastern regional command of the internal troops of the Ministry of internal Affairs of the Russian Federation for emergency situations;
Colonel of police Ryabchikova Tatyana Viktorovna – the Deputy chief of the personnel Department of personnel Department of the Federal service of the Russian Federation for drug control;
Selivanova Veniamin Veniaminovich – Volga interregional environmental Prosecutor;
Colonel of justice Sukhoparova Andrey Victorovich – Deputy head of the Main Directorate of the Ministry of internal Affairs of the Russian Federation on the Chelyabinsk region – chief of the main investigation Department;
Lieutenant-Colonel of police Yakimenko, Alexei Petrovich – the chief of Department of Federal service of the Russian Federation for drug control in the Khanty-Mansiysk Autonomous Okrug – Ugra.
2. To release from his office:
Colonel of justice Babalu Yuri Vasilevich, Deputy head of the Main Directorate of the Ministry of internal Affairs of the Russian Federation for the Rostov region – chief of the main investigation Department;
Colonel of police Didenko Vladimir Nikolaevich, Deputy head of the Main Department for combating extremism of the Ministry of internal Affairs of the Russian Federation;
major-General Duginova Valery Vladimirovich, the Deputy commander of the Siberian regional command of the internal troops of the Ministry of internal Affairs of the Russian Federation on the rear – chief of logistics;
the General-major of police Lazarev Yury Vladimirovich, Deputy head of the Federal service of the Russian Federation for drug control for the city of St. Petersburg and Leningrad region;
Lieutenant-General of police Skalanova Vladimir Anatolievich, chief of the Main Directorate of the Ministry of internal Affairs of the Russian Federation on the Chelyabinsk region;
major-General Khvedaruk Vasily Aleksandrovich, head of the intelligence service – the Deputy commander of the United group of troops (forces) to conduct counter-terrorist operations on the territory of the North Caucasian region of the Russian Federation, internal armies of the Ministry of internal Affairs of the Russian Federation.
3. Dismissal from military service, Colonel-General Vladimir Rushailo Borisovich.
4. This Decree shall enter into force from the day of its signing.
Source:
http://translate.yandex.net/tr-url/ru-en.en/kremlin.ru/acts/46406
lARCHMONTER445:
I don’t have the links at my fingertips, but I have seen a number of horrific photos on this site, and two of them stand out as scars on my mind.
One was of the young mother Inna who had her legs blown off in the street and who looked into the cameras as she died, asking to speak to her daughter.
The other was from Gaza. A little girl of six or so hugged the nightmare ghoul of bombed horror that was her brother until a moment before.
Anyone who stirs up conflict and war when it is not necessary is working for evil.
Some of the weird things that Putin has done.
Putin tells Novorossiya not to have referendum.
Putin removes troops from the Ukraine border.
This is Putin giving the green light for coup-Ukraine to begin military action. They did not dare attack before this.
Putin asks for his parliamentary permission to invade coup-Ukraine to be rescinded.
This is Putin giving the green light to fully fledged assault on the south-east.
Putin allows coup-Ukraine troops to be recycled to the Ukrainian front.
Hitler let the entire British Army and much of the French army escape at Dunkirk (he ordered the German tanks stopped when they were about ten miles from Dunkirk). About 350,000 soldiers escaped and nearly all of them returned to fight the Germans.
Putin fires 18 generals who want action.
Hitler fired all his best generals.
More and more it looks like Putin is on the other side.
This is what the Iranians concluded about Russia; namely, that there are TWO Russias. One that pretends to be on the Iranian side, but isn’t, and one that is.
Nazanín Armanian´s last must read:
“For a committee and a global platform against war”
http://blogs.publico.es/puntoyseguido/1863/por-un-comite-y-una-plataforma-global-contra-las-guerras/
I think lots of you think that as time goes by more and more people would be able to discover the truth. There will be no shifts of opinions, at least not in the foreseeable future. The western public is hypnotized into believing that “their media” is free and superior to whatever is coming out of Russia. The propaganda machine is phenomenal, well oiled and omnipresent. I often meet people from France, Holland, Germany, UK etc and 99% of them is firmly misinformed. There are no cracks through which any form of alternative views can seep in. Apart from Zero Hedge and a small bunch of independent bloggers, there is nothing out there. Even if Russia had unlimited media budgets, it would still take many years before this mental damage can be undone. I think Putin understood this scenario long time ago and as a result, his focus shifted to the east. The Zio-Nazi globalists should be crashed economically and only then the world can move on. Therefore, Russia has to find ways to build the kind of economy that can counteract . Any kind of war will not do any good whatever the outcome would be. As soon as the dollar system is collapsed, Russia would be able to negotiate from a position of absolute strength and it will spare humanity from annihilation. Ukraine will no longer be relevant.
Part 1: To Larchmonter, Auslander, and Nora:
There is genuine fog of war, and there’s motives. The Ukies motive is to declare victory as fast as possible because their domestic situation in the rear and with the growing anti-draft as well as still small partisan movements is dangerous. At the same time, the NAF and Novorossiya spokesmen want to proclaim enough victories from the Cauldron to maintain morale while exposing the dire situation in Donetsk to prod Putin to send more aid, if not directly intervene just yet. Thus we have two sides at cross purposes, though with some limited overlap in their willingness to agree on Ukrainian military advances. The distinction of course being that the NAF generally provide far more extensive video and SITREP documentation of their gains and the losses inflicted on the enemy, whereas the Ukies rely on Dmitry “Baghdad Bob of Kiev” Tymchuk’s neat round numbers of casulties whereby every Novorossiya fighter should’ve been dead by now.
To Nora, I have noticed an uptick in the quality if not quantity of ‘concern trolling’. Whereas before the trolls were easily spotted by their ‘OMG Novorossiya is going to collapse tomorrow Putin has sold them out to the NWO Putin is controlled by ZOG blah blah blah!’, it is now almost impossible to distinguish genuine legit dissent and doubts from the psyop keyboard warriors who used to be obvious.
As we’ve seen from the example of the far smaller city of Slovyiansk, a Ukie encirclement is not exactly as tight as a WWII encirclement. For one thing it’s important to step back and realize the limitations of both sides, not just to the NAF in terms of being outmanned and outgunned. The Ukie logistics are terrible. Their soldiers complain the NAF has better medical kit and perhaps even eats better courtesy of the supportive locals than they do. The Ukrainian army has maximum 40,000 men deployed in the ‘ATO’ combat zone, of which probably only half are true trigger pullers even given a low ‘teeth to tail’ ratio since there isn’t much tail to the Ukie army. The rebels for their part don’t have a Volga river flowing through Donetsk to maintain supply lines like Chukhov’s men had at Stalingrad. But they do have enough arty and GRADs captured by the militia in the smashed (but not fully destroyed) Cauldron to inflict substantial losses on at least one arm of the ‘encirclement’, particularly near Gorlovka. Every arty battery or gunner killed by rebel GRADs near Gorlovka is one less to beseiege Donetsk or Lugansk. Thus any Ukie ‘encirclement’ of Donetsk, even if it may be completed early this week, is likely to remain extremely thin and porous. The Ukies will continue pounding the city while trying to avoid casualties, in hopes all counterbattery fire from the defenders can be suppressed or they will run out of ammo sparing the Ukrainian army block by block and house to house fighting. But I for one do not think the Ukie siege of Donetsk will prove so successful, particularly if it comes at the expense of a disorderly retreat around Gorlovka which threatens the arms of the encirclement itself with regular GRAD and howitzer fire.
Part 2 of message to Larchmonter, Auslander and Nora:
We seem to be in that period where the most aggressive heavyweight fighter, to use Starikov’s analogy about the US/NATO Empire, has been temporarily staggered by his opponent delivering a heavy blow to the face and another to the stomach. That is what Putin’s counter sanctions against EU and 5 Eyes agriculture represented to the Empire’s minions. Now we are seeing the Empire respond the only way it can without pissing off Exxon and BP which would be devastated by true boycott-level ‘sector sanctions’ against the Russian energy industry: by upping the military ante.
The Twitter feed @A_J_S_B says the militia partisans operating behind enemy lines in Kharkov region captured a US-made Javelin ATGM. Undoubtedly this is the militia appealing to Putin for more Koronets, as a tit for tat response. But we still won’t see any Russian transport aircraft flying or paradropping supplies into the NAF’s hands in retaliation for Canada openly flying C-130 and C-17 loads of gear into Kharkov.
We also see the Ukies threatening TransDniestr, again trying to force Putin to escalate and either take the military option or at least garrison more Russian troops to protect the peacekeepers in a landlocked enclave that was always extremely narrow and vulnerable to a tie-eating Saakashvili blitzkrieg-type assault, particularly should it come from both the Ukrainian and Moldovan sides as a pincer movement.
Again, I am not drinking the koolaid and saying the NAF are going to win just yet. But neither do I believe that Kiev’s encirclement of Donetsk, even if it can be sustained, will end the resistance. The morale of the NAF appears to be very high after the southern Cauldron victory and it is only a matter of time before the Ukie assaults are exhausted or beaten back elsewhere as they desperately try to maintain the momentum of the attack on Donetsk. And every week that passes puts the Kiev regime and its handlers a week closer to winter and Kiev revealing that it has no gas, at least not for anyone outside the capital.
It’s great that Fidel is still alive. We need his voice more than ever. Palestine should recognize Novorussia next.
The latest post at Colonel Cassad’s blog (in English) has an essay by “comrade livinov”. He makes some critical comments about the militias activities over the last week. His summary is that the militias failed to achieve the offensive after closing the cauldron and dissipating the UA offensive around Donetsk. The reason for this failure, he claims, is that the various milita forces in those two areas have not yet agreed on a single unified command, where troops freed up in one sector can be order to join those in other sectors. He mentions the names of five commanders (Strelkov being one of the five who is closest to Donetz). If Livonov is correct that would explain the inability of the militias to act in coordination over what looks like a 100 km front.
Remember what happened to both Russia and Prussia when the Imperialists of their day carved up Poland and Lithuania in the 18th century.
Consider the forces that were unleashed into Russian and Germanic civilizations by partition. Also consider the centuries of misery and hundreds of millions of people who subsequently died as a result.
Do I need to be more specific or does everyone here know anything about history of Europe and the Ashka-nazis who were unleashed all those years ago? It is their bolshevik and neocon descendants who plan strategy for the Empire today.
I know it seems like Russia has to move into Novorussia but the consequences of doing so will be much worse than anyone can currently fathom. We already have a historical precedent for exactly the same thing involving the same kind of people. This was probably the AZ strategy from the begining. Ukraine is worthless to the West relative to control of Iraq and the Shia cresent. Now that Putin has frustrated them they are moving directly to their primary target which is control ofthe flow of mideast energy to Europe.
The whole Anglo-Zionist strategy is premised on forcing Russia to invade Ukraine and thereby make every Empire equally disreputable in the eyes of the world.
The West desperately wants and needs Russia to confirm the new rules for our multi-polar reality which includes the doctrine of might makes right. Putin is not stupid enough to throw away his years of rebuilding Russia — seemingly against all odds — for the sake of looking strong.
As it stands today the Anglo-Zionists are correctly blamed by everyone for everything that has gone on for the last several years. From the Arab Spring to Novorussia and beyond, the gansters of Zion are wearing it. If Russia moves now the page will turn and the incredibly effective AZ media will launch a shit-storm the likes of which have never been seen before.
Think about it.
As we speak the US is begining a slow motion re-inavasion of Iraq. The only thing holding them back from an overt intervention is Russia’s refusal to move into Novorussia and the sympathy Putin has garnered from people the whole world over. A rock solid pro Russian Shia corridor is their absolute worst nightmare. The whole business with ISIS has been manufactured to justify a NATO intervention. Have any of you seen the propaganda on tap since yesterday? Suddenly the media is in a frenzy about Yazdis and Christians being murdered by al queda 2.0. Gimmie a break.
I’m tired of saying it but Putin holds all the good cards in this great big cynical game of poker initiated by the West. He does not need to fold his hand on account of his humanity. To do so would be stupid and set a terrible precedent for the future.
Meanwhile his opponents are stuck in neutral and can see the life of their beloved Petrodollar Empire flashing before their eyes.
All of us have witnessed the lengths to which the Anglo-Zionists will go to to force Russia’s hand. So far Putin has continuously outwitted his opponents and is seen by the world as the man who might single-handedly usher in a new era of multi-polar peace and prosperity.
Today as I read about the supposedly imminent invasion of Donetsk I was positive that Putin had no choice but to intervene. Ten minutes later I remembered how really really good the AZ media is at creating fantastic nonsense.
Russia must not move into Novorussia at this time.
Be patient. Russia will move into Novorussia when the timing is right, probably sooner rather than later and when it does the whole world will sigh and say thank you Russia and what took you so long?
That day is coming but it isn’t here yet.
jo6pac,
That Jeff Kaye piece over at FDL is really quite good, with lots and lots of detail; thank you. In return, let me suggest the latest from The New Straits Times, in which Malaysia is now requesting the “missing” Ukrainian ATC tapes:
http://www.nst.com.my/node/21260?d=1
To Anonymous 14:46, who said, “Sorry, but all the evidence states that Putin is not on Novorossiya’s side. Putin just fired 18 generals who wanted serious help given to Novorossiya.” If the firing of the generals is true, this is extremely disheartening.
I agree it seems that Putin is not on Novorossiya’s side, and I wonder whether Novorossiya is falling short in his eyes. I give the following reasons to the best of my knowledge. The DNR, LNR and Novorossiya do not have elected leaders. They defied Putin’s plea to postpone the referendum. They have no government website, while Ukraine and other countries have them. The DNR headquarters was in a shambles. They have no official English news outlet, yet complain about the Western media. They claim they’re a separate country, then contradict themselves by saying Poroshenko is bombing his own citizens. And the people looted shamelessly, not just food but luxury items. Could it be that Putin is embarrassed?
I understand why he’s reluctant to invade, wisely avoiding a world war. But I don’t understand why he hasn’t more strongly denounced the horrendous actions of Kiev.
Killing civilians is always a crime.
American Kulak,
Yes. Yes to the trolls, though they’ve almost always got a tell, and it just makes it more fun (and more necessary) to swat ’em. But yes to everything else you said also. I think it’s just important to try to keep in mind that the horrors we’re seeing in Novorossiya are, if you step back a bit, just one very small front in a very large war — or really, series of wars the AZ Empire is now waging. I put up the URL the other day, but I’ll do it again right now:
http://www.usip.org/sites/default/files/Ensuring-a-Strong-U.S.-Defense-for-the-Future-NDP-Review-of-the-QDR_0.pdf
According to the National Defense Panel Review of the 2014 Quadrennial Defense Review advance copy pdf, we are now to be prepared for a total of six simultaneous wars. Russia is only one front in that war — but at the same time, it’s now obvious that Putin has been waging war-by-other-means on us for a long time also. I prefer his means: global cooperation, respect for and adherence to International Law, end of the petrodollar, etc., but his goal is to replace our rather nasty (and imploding) hegemony and we’re obviously not going to go down gently; that’s not our style. And in the grand scheme of things, Ukraine, for all the obscene and unnecessary suffering, is just a bit player: our corporations want its soil and the fossil fuels beneath it but couldn’t care less about the people who’ve lived there for a thousand years or so; our MIC wants to sell weapons; our Deep State — who the hell knows, more stripes on their shoulders, Greater Metropolitan Zion, God only knows; my best guess is they’re all nuts. But on Putin’s side, he’s got the welfare of a huge country now increasingly under siege (Lord only knows what we’ll try next), he’s got all the effort he’s put into improving Russia both domestically and in terms of foreign relations; he’s got his own internal politics to deal with and yes, he’s got a bunch of people who — and I say this with the deepest sympathy and concern, literally 24/7, but still — a bunch of people who he cautioned to ride out the current situation and not make more trouble for themselves than they could handle, and who nevertheless voted for… whatever it was they voted for, but then sat back and waited for Mama Russia to take care of them and meet their every need. While he’s tap dancing on one hell of a tightrope NOT to give us the casus belli we’re trying so hard to maneuver him into.
The whole thing is just plain tragic, but Europe is awakening if not the American people. And the longer he can hold off, the better. If I were in any kind of position to give him any advice (and thank the Good Lord I’m not!), I’d say, “Keep playing the game by your rules, not theirs, unless and until those nutcakes try for Crimea, but if they lift one finger in that direction, blow them mightily to Kingdom Come!”
American Kulak and Where-Wolf
Your posts make some good sense.
This war is very tough to follow emotionally. It is stunning how personal it seems each day. The tragedy is intimate and maddening. So, we sometimes lose track of the high level stakes for Putin and Russia’s future.
I have felt that Ukraine has to be destroyed as a haven for the machinations of the West plotters and NATO basing. It also has to be overcome as a perpetual guerrilla war base of nazis harassing Crimea and Donbass.
How that gets done is in Putin’s mind alone.
We really can’t figure it out yet.
He’s lost over a thousand fighting men, over a thousand civilians, allowed artillery to hit Russian soil, even killing Russians. So, the plan must be a hell of a finale. Whenever it comes.
Your thoughts, both of you, help us work through this impatience to get some retribution.
But I’m, all in for the long haul plan of Eurasia as the ultimate counter-force to the Hegemon.
@Mr. Pragma
That’s why it’s so extremely advantageous — if cruel and sad — that the kiev rat regime seems decisive to shell Donetzk. This is an extremely powerful archetypal image; an army against a large city with hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians being bombed is something that can’t be explained or propagandized away by the weztern whores.
What you say is perfect.
Yes. The image of innocent people in a besieged city is one hell of a disturbing archetypal image and it begs the question as to why the AZ media is running with a story so seemingly favourable to the Novorussians and so prejudicial to the junta.
Concerning Robert Parry and the last three truthful paragraphs of a NYTimes article —
Whenever the Empire has a truly devious scheme in mind they call on the services of committed Zionist ‘truth’ tellers like Robert Parry.
We are hearing the truth to create the impression that it is ok for Russia to move into Ukraine. That’s what all the limited truth telling and other white noise is all about. NATO wants control of Iraq and only a Russian intervention in Novorussia can create enough space for Anglo-Zionist gangsters to justify something their restive populations might not tolerate.
Larchmonter,
Do you know whether those generals were pro-war, anti-war, compromised, senile or corrupt? The rumors are all over the place; what we need is background on these guys.
Thanks you Juan and Saker for the sitrep.
It looks like a big tactical and strategic success in smashing and driving out the Uke military units out from the southern cauldren. Now more border points are open for soldiers and material to flow in. Kudos to the commanders and soldiers fighting there.
Further north however it does not look so good, with Uke forces steadily breaking up the links between Luhansk and Donetsk and forming encirclements of their own.
If the RF does not send in its army soon, I think the only solution involving holding ground would be a retreat and fortification of the border with Russia, with all remaining rebel forces and Luhansk being held within that cordon.
I hope whatever way it goes the war will be over soon and the suffering of the innocents caught up in the storm of shells and bullets will be ended.
@ Where-Wolf
11 August, 2014 00:20
My friend, you get an ‘A’ for the day. Well put and in my opinion right on track.
Putin is in charge of a mammoth project and Novorossia is a small part of the whole. Read this article about China wanting India to join the SCO and look at the map from twitter. You’ll suddenly realise how big and important a project this is.
http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2014/08/07/modi-rewrites-indias-tryst-with-destiny-i.html
https://twitter.com/pmsxa/status/497153376548048896/photo/1
American Kulak said…10 August, 2014 23:25
“To Nora, I have noticed an uptick in the quality if not quantity of ‘concern trolling’. Whereas before the trolls were easily spotted by their ‘OMG Novorossiya is going to collapse tomorrow Putin has sold them out to the NWO Putin is controlled by ZOG blah blah blah!’, it is now almost impossible to distinguish genuine legit dissent and doubts from the psyop keyboard warriors who used to be obvious.”
Many tend to put the zio-propaganda lower down in the body of the comment, which makes it less obvious what the intent is. One way to save time is skip to the bottom part of the comment, and if it is the usual negative propaganda, move on. Those who still put their negative propaganda at the beginning, I simply skip altogether.
Wont be long till this toss is the majority of comments here, as it is at Jewish run sites such as Mondoweiss and Moon of Alabama. But they are all well mannered and polite as they piss all over the place…and they are not posting cheezy nazi “camp”.
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Nora and others who are getting all twisted about 18 generals being “fired”
(A) that document refers to the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation not the military and signs off people leaving senior positions as well as people being appointed to senior positions within that body
It is routine everyday bureaucratic stuff
Nora said…11 August, 2014 01:25
“Do you know whether those generals were pro-war, anti-war, compromised, senile or corrupt? The rumors are all over the place; what we need is background on these guys.”
Going by the sort of comments I’ve seen on this site by the “usual suspects”, and the jobs listed for them in the comment posted by Larchmonter445, I’d say these guys were being less than effective at their jobs due to foreign influence and criminal connections (Jewish mafia). But I’m just going by the zio-reaction, I have not seen anything solid about this yet.
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@ 11 AUGUST, 2014 00:20 “The whole Anglo-Zionist strategy is premised on forcing Russia to invade Ukraine and thereby make every Empire equally disreputable in the eyes of the world.”
Coup-Ukraine has been very careful not to give Russia an excuse to invade,… very very careful,… they did not attack until it became clear that Putin had no intention of invading (which was most visibly flagged by Putin moving troops from the border).
Once it was clear that Putin had control of Russia’s generals, coup-Ukraine moved in.
If coup-Ukraine had forced the Russian army to invade, as you say they wanted, then coup-Ukraine would have been squashed like a bug.
If coup-Ukraine had forced the Russian army to invade, that would have been equivalent to coup-Ukraine committing suicide.
If coup-Ukraine can force the Russian army to invade today, then it is still the same suicide.
If coup-Ukraine thought the Russians would invade, then they would end their invasion of south-east Ukraine, today.