The Ukrainian civil war has reached a turning point and a lot of separate facts point to this conclusion:
Military situation on the ground
The Ukies are losing, badly. All the reports from Novorussian sources agree that the Ukie forces are either surrounded or in full retreat. But Ukies sources also confirm this. In Kiev, angry demonstrations by nationalists accuse the military high command of minimizing the real casualty figures, of having abandoned the forces fighting in the Donbass. Even Oleg Liashko has stated that the Ukie forces have been “betrayed”. Demonstrations have taken place in from of the Ukie General Staff which many Right Sector protesters which are demanding the creation of a “generals battalion” which would be formed of only generals who would be sent to fight personally (an excellent idea, which I fully approve of!). Others are also demanding the resignation of the Ukie Minister of Defense. Ukrainian woman are regularly stopping military convoys on the roads, often by standing or lying down in front of trucks, to prevent their men from being sent to death. Entire Ukie battalions are deserting from the front and Special Forces are sent to stop them. Apparently, the Ukie police is afraid to arrest the soldiers for desertion because of their large numbers. The city of Mariupol is now surrounded and the local political elites and SBU personnel have fled. Poroshenko cancelled his trip to Turkey and gathered his Security Council. Kolomoiski, who controls the southwestern Ukraine, did the same thing with his own Security Council (yes, since he has his own army, is also has his own security council). Tymoshenko wants the introduction of full martial law. The male population up to 60 is now conscripted (though not called up as far as I know). Iatseniuk and Poroshenko have both demanded that NATO intervene and accept the Ukraine as some special ally. In other words, all the signs are of total complete and utter panic in Kiev.
Political situation
Russia: Putin met with Poroshenko and the EU leaders and delivered them a very simple yet stark message: “don’t talk to us, we are not a party to the conflict – talk to the Novorussians“. By the way, the Kremlin now openly speaks of “Novorussian” and “Novorussian forces”. Furthermore, the Russians are also officially sending in a second aid convoy and they have announced that this will not be the only one. In the UN Security Council the Russian Representative, Vitalii Churkin, has dared the Ukie Rep to explain where the recording of the conversations between the Kiev ATC and MH17 were hidden and why. With the Fall rapidly arriving, the EU has pushed Kiev to renew gas negotiations which the Russians have declared “deadlocked”. By all accounts, the “Voentorg” (a Russian contraction meaning “Military Trade”, which was the name for the Soviet era building were military gear could be purchased) between Russia and Novorussia has further increased and the Novorussian are now getting more men, including specialists, and more equipment.
Contrary to the predictions of the Putin bashing crowd, the replacement of Strelkov by Zakharchenko was not followed by any “sellout” of Novorussia. Quite to the contrary, as soon as Zakharchenko took power the Novorussians went on a general offensive. As for Strelkov himself, he is apparently in good health and is supposed to make a public appearance today in Crimea. So all that talk about Putin backstabbing Novorussia, him having some kind of deal with Obama, about Strelkov having been eliminated by Putin’s Spetsnaz and all the rest of the doom and gloom propaganda of the Putin haters has now clearly shown to be absolute rubbish. Clearly, some Putin bashers are paid by Russian oligarchs, others are just to dull to understand the sophisticated policy of the Kremlin in the Ukraine. Whatever may be the case, these shrills are now completely discredited by fact and forced to walk away in shame.
Putin’s latest move is nothing short of brilliant. Think of it: the mothers and wives of Ukie servicemen are demanding that their men be returned to them, the regime in Kiev ignores them, and Putin steps in to agree with them and asks the Novorussians to open humanitarian corridors to allow them to safely leave and go back home. Thus, he shows more concern for the Ukies than the Ukie regime, he encourages the desertion of Ukie soliders, he minimizes the casualties on all sides, and he deals another death-blow to Ukie morale. Best of all, he achieves all this by a simple statement written in such a way that nobody can possibly condemn him for anything. As for the Novorussians, Zakharchenko has already agreed, but on the condition that the Ukies leave behind all their heavy weapons and the ammo for it. Perfect. Needless to say, the Ukie high command has rejected the offer and ordered the surrounded units to break out guns blazing. Just imagine how that response feels to the relatives of those stuck in the various “cauldrons”!
The EU: the EU is totally stuck. Apparently, the chaos in Banderastan combined with the Russian sanctions and the gas crisis is gradually having an effect in the dull brains of the Eurobureaucrats who are coming to realize that they have been at least as stupid as the Ukies and that the US has used them for their own imperial goals. “Fuck the EU” indeed. Badly. The best these hapless bureaucrats could do is to go to Minsk and agree to negotiate with Russia the terms under which the Ukraine would ratify the Agreement with the EU. Exactly that which Russia had been demanding from Day 1 and which the EU had always been contemptuously rejecting with the arrogant “none of your business” reply. Now Ashton and a few others had to eat humble pie and kindly ask the Russian to come and talk to them.
The US: Poor Uncle Sam is really looking pathetic, foolish and confused. The very best the USA can do is to accuse Russia of invading the Ukraine and only threaten more sanctions as Obama has already admitted that the US has no military option in the Ukraine. To measure the degree of disarray amongst the US Neocons I will just quote from an article written recently by Herbert E. Meyer, former Special Assistant to the Director of Central Intelligence and Vice Chairman of the CIA’s National Intelligence Council during the Reagan Administration, for American Thinker and modestly entitled “How to Solve the Putin Problem“. Here is what this genius came up with:
Since subtlety doesn’t work with Russians, the president and his European counterparts should also make absolutely clear that we have no interest whatever in how these people (the Russian oligarchs) solve their Putin problem. If they can talk good old Vladimir into leaving the Kremlin with full military honors and a 21-gun salute — that would be fine with us. If Putin is too too stubborn to acknowledge that his career is over, and the only way to get him out of the Kremlin is feet-first, with a bullet hole in the back of his head — that would also be okay with us.
Nor would we object to a bit of poetic justice…. For instance, if the next time Putin’s flying back to Moscow from yet another visit with his good friends in Cuba, or Venezuela, or Iran, his airplane gets blasted out of the sky by some murky para-military group that somehow, inexplicably, got its hands on a surface-to-air missile
I don’t know if Mr. Meyer thinks that Mrs Nuland delivering cookies on the Maidan was the subtlety the Russian did not appreciate or understand, or if his own article is an expression of US subtlety, but he clearly has “Pat Robertson moment” (the latter wanted the US to kill Hugo Chavez) which just proves that the AngloZionists don’t have a diplomacy as such and that magical thinking is a key coping mechanism when that lack of diplomacy becomes obvious.
Where do we go from here?
It’ hard to tell. I think that Oleg Tsarev is right when he says that as soon as the Ukie regime begins collapsing the West will suddenly ask for negotiations. Zakharchenko in his crucial press conference has clearly indicated that options such as federalization or decentralization are off the table and that nothing short of full independence will do. Maybe. Maybe not. There are plenty of historical examples which show that separatist movements eventually settled for less, often wisely so. But in this case, we are dealing with several intertwined problems:
a) Geographical: the Ukraine is an artificial country
b) Political: internally the regime in Kiev is Nazi
c) Geo-strategic: externally the regime in Kiev is a russophobic US puppet
d) Economic: the Ukraine is economically dead
All these factors clearly point to the same conclusion: the Ukraine needs to be broken-up. This might happen catastrophically – the East going to Novorussia, the South to Kolomoiski, the Center to Poroshenko and the West breaking off completely. There are some signs that this is already gradually happening. Furthermore, this is all made worse by the undeniable fact that the Ukraine is already a failed state and that a seizable minority of the Ukrainian population if formed of truly rabid nationalists. So right now things don’t look too good for any negotiated solution. Novorussia probably has the potential to rebuild and to become a more or less livable, stable place: most of its industry is in ruins, but it’s “human capital”, it’s people, are very bright and hard working and its political leaders clearly capable people. But short of some kind of miracle, the rest of the Ukraine is probably going to slouch to towards the kind of mess the USA is so good at leaving behind in places like Libya or Iraq. Maybe not, maybe the Europeans will finally grow a spine and tell the US to stay out and then try to solve this ugly mess with Russia. I am not holding my breath, not as long as the current AngloZionist nomenklatura is in power in the EU.
One thing could possibly change this downward spiral: a regime change in Kiev. I don’t mean one replacing Poroshenko by Liashko or Iarosh, but an anti-Nazi insurrection or coup. I will be honest with you, with kind of terror the SBU and the oligarchs are capable of meting out to the general public, this is not very likely. But who knows what might happen on a wave of popular discontent? If the current freaks could be kicked out by halfway sane people and a process of denazification initiated, then maybe something could still be salvaged? Again, I am not very hopeful. But let’s stick to current events.
Current situation
I would say that things look better right now than ever before. This is far, far from over, and many things could go wrong but at least at this moment in time things look pretty good. Short of a sudden reversal, the cities of Lugansk and Donetsk are probably going to be freed from most of the shelling within 10-14 days. Currently, the Novorussians control the entire border between Russia and Novorussia, which makes the Voentorg much easier. Zakharchenko and his men seem to be making an excellent job and rumor has it that Strelkov will be back soon in some special capacity. The Novorussian leadership and the Kremlin are clearly on the same wavelength and there is no reason to suspect an over Russian military intervention. I am confident that the Black Sea Fleet will do what is needed to keep the Novorussian coast safe so as long as the Ukies are not able to mount a surprise attack from the North, Mariupol will probably fall very soon. There are increasing reports of partisan movements in Zaporozhie and that, if true, is something very interesting which might begin to affect other areas and cities such as Kharkov and Dnepropetrovsk. I still don’t see Novorussian tanks headed for Kiev, but an operational success seems to be in the making right at this moment in time.
I am by character, education and trade a rather cautious person, but today I am cautiously optimistic, at least for Novorussia.
The Saker
Post Scriptum: this just in from a good friend:
DPR
– Volnovakha taken by Novorossiya Armed Forces (NAF); South-Western Cauldron closed off.
– Yalta (near Mariupol) taken, NAF is now 12 km away from Mariupol.
– Mariupol – Zaporozhye (Berdyansk) road closed off by NAF. Virtually all settlements around Mariupol appear to be taken by NAF. Mariupol Cauldron closed off.
– Fighting has crossed the border into Zaporozhye. Saboteur-Reconnaissance Groups (SRG) and guerrillas active inside Zaporozhye’s borders.
– Ukrainian punitive forces surrendering in the many cauldrons, the rate of surrenders is picking up pace.
– NAF is pushing outward toward Yasinovataya, Maryinka, Karlovka, Krasnogorovka (west of Donetsk)
AND, the BIGGEST (albeit not fully confirmed) NEWS: Donetsk Airport taken by NAF today.
LPR
– Lutugino partially controlled by the Militia, very heavy urban combat there, although Rodakovo was lost (plans to retake it shortly).
– Lyashko appears to be still trapped in Severodonetsk, which is besieged by Mozgovoi’s Brigade (I have no further information since a couple of days ago).
– LPR has encircled Shchastye and Metallist and is advancing on the Ukrainian positions there, as well as in the north-eastern direction (Stanitsa Luganskaya, which still remains contested).
– NAF continues to advance on Deblatsevo, taking checkpoints on the outskirts of the city.
– LPR is planning some major advances in the next few days, hopefully to clean up most of the remaining cauldrons.
PPS: and this from Russia Today:
Poland has refused overflight rights to the plane of Russia’s defense minister, Sergey Shoigu, who was on his way from Slovakia, RIA Novosti’s correspondent reported. The plane has landed in Bratislava.
The minister was returning from the celebrations of the 70th anniversary of the Slovakian national uprising that took place in the town of Banská Bystrica.
However, Poland banned entrance into its airspace for the Tu-154 plane, according to a RIA Novosti correspondent who was on board, citing one of the crewmembers.
The plane had to take a U-turn and landed in Bratislava an hour later.
Negotiations are being held on the matter at the moment. All the passengers are now on board the plane.
Comment: rather petty and infantile behavior in my opinion. This really begs the question of what the Poles think that they will achieve with this other than the dubious honor of “servicing” Uncle Sam once more (those who follow Polish politics will know what I mean).
Donetsk airport reclaimed!!!! Major, Major victory. It is a fight for the heart of the world against the soulless machine. Thank you, Novorussyia!
Donetsk Militia Captured Ukrainian Files w Important War Crimes Info (names, targets) – Eng Subs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zykk-F3iq5A
I dont know any ukies.. So I cant compare.. But I think pollacks and ukies are the same people.. kinda like all the different ducks.. after a few hundred years some ducks quack a litle differently but they ALL waddle like a fish out of water..
Is it conceivable that. Lyashko could be captured by the Novorossiyan Army?
Wow that would be incredible
Most excellent reporting and synthesizing
I never believed Strelkov was demoted and will come back as adviser and shepherd between Russia and Novorossiya
Today it is a shiny day for Novorossia.
I want to give credit to one of the commenters here, I think Larchmonter. A month ago, just when all looked so bad, he wrote:
“When all this is over, Putin will drive to Crimea.”
As for the Polish, I will be more direct :) The Polsih again did a BJ to Uncle Sam, as their own foreign minister Sikorski admitted they do all the time, and they get nothing out of it :)
This is a great blog and has helped me understand exactly what is going on in the Novorusian area. Its so funny to see the maps TV news channels use to show information that I learned about through this site and how misleading and incorrect they are. Sites like these are really great. Thank you so much for all the hard work and effort you(Saker) and everyone helping you have done in bringing much needed information to light.
PS.. Shouldn’t we be thanking the pollacks for the city buster? Thanks to them the militia can level Kiev from way outside the city limits.
It can also fire nuclear armaments..
Those nazi’s in maripol should be very scared… or better yet those in the cauldron should be scared SHTless.. of the self hating terrorists.. Those guns have a range of 40KM and clears an area of 100 yards of life..
Oh what a beautiful morning,
Oh what a beautiful day . . .
Andrew, Auslander, American Kulak, myself and others wrote about these probable events which are now coming about. Not that we were prescient.
There is a logic to what had to happen. The bravery and brains of the militia and Russian advisers have put this battle plan into action.
Saker,
Russia will slice and dice Ukraine until it is gelded of military and fascist potential. This won’t be left half-baked. It will take bread, gas, rubles and Putin’s genius at strategy and tactics. But he is winning over the mothers and sons. Whole families will regard him as a just man. And some will realize their economic future is Eastward, Eurasia.
Russia is on the rise. The Putin elevator is not going to stop at the second floor.
I also think the South will not belong to the oligarch. He will need the IDF with nukes to hold anything in Ukraine—not Odessa, not anything. Everything will be confiscated and liquidated and be used to pay reparations to victims and property owners. That’s my not-so-humble view. Based on how Putin has treated criminal oligarchs in the past. Kolomoisky is soon to be retired, captured, or killed.
But it is “a beautiful morning, Novorossiya!”
Larchmonter, once again you saved me a lot of typing.
Well said.
Regarding Kolomoiski, he’s in deep shit and he knows it. That’s why, at some point, he’ll make an attempt to seek asylum in Israel. I’m sure the NAF are hoping he’s stupid, greedy and megalomanical enough to stick around long enough for them get him and his men surrounded. Once/if this vermin ends-up in NAF hands his fate will strain the imagination of the battle-hardened let alone the squeamish: Burning women and children alive, as he has allegedly done, is not something that he can slip away from.
ISIS (ISIL) False Flag in UK to take the heat off from Ukraine!
It is all illusion!
Cahoot comes to mind!
Best regards,
Mohamed.
Yes mohammed, you may be right. The losers in the British establishment sure are trying to use the threat of ISIS (a group of dumb bastards created by Britain & their allies) to distract themselves and their public away from their (and Germany’s) utter defeat in Novorossiya.
The British leadership are notorious for being pathological sore-losers: they literally lose their minds and continenence when forced to face defeat, like their spectacular defeat in 1776, 1948, 1945, and now in 2014 at the hands of their betters: the Russians.
Autocratric psychpaths like the unfit fools that run the UK are liable to harm their own subjects rather than face reality of their own incompetence, weakness and impotence.
So let’s do our part to protect the innocent lemmings of the British Public and spread this point to them as much as possible.
Hi Saker
1st I think Novorussians will take the entire south Ukraine and Kolomoiski’s properties will be confiscated by them.
2nd Yatsenyuk want form Ukraine to join NATO. I think the junta now committed a suicide. So the Russians not just acknowledge Novorussia, but they will openly support the territorial growth of this new state.
Just my 2 cents
Oracle 911
A lot of the people in the Ukraine ( borne before 1991 ) were born in Russia. Are they dual citizens?
A lot of the people in the Ukraine ( born before 1991 ) were born in Russia/USSR. Are they dual citizens
The Novorossiyan army will be at least 30,000 strong, probably closer to 50,000. How can Kholomoisky stop them from taking Odessa? Just give rifles to local volunteers and you will have way more than you need. It is Dnipetroprovsk that looks tough.
Excellent update on excellent news. Let’s hope the end is in sight for the people on both ‘sides’ victimized by the machinations of Washington and their EU/NATO/fascist thugs and enablers. Many have died and continue to die in pursuit of this diabolical will to power and profit ravaging the Ukrain/Novorossiya and many other parts of the world.
Question though, and a concern: Do you not think that even a Novorossiyan ultimate victoria doesn’t play into Sam’s hands? They can then say “see how Russia has invaded and bitten off a chunk of Ukraine, pretending it’s that the Two Republics are not merely a creature of the Russians? It could happen to Poland next, or Hungary, who knows what that scoundrel Putin has plans for next. Now is the time for all of NATO to start paying in their 2% to the NATO bucket. Fuck it- maybe we should make it 5%, the threat of that ravenous bear is real *points to Novorossyia* see? see??
On an aside note, although I’m glad I found your blogue saker, I am disturbed by the amount of anti-semetism on here, it’s frankly disgusting. I’m against the state of Isreal because it’s clearly a bastion of Western colonialism in the middle-east dressed up in the justification of the plight of the jewish people. But frankly if I wanted to trawl through this kind of much I would just go post on Stormcunt or something, where I can rub shoulders with the likes of those whose natural sympathies in these afafirs would be with Provy Sektor and their bombardment of cities and towns to crush the ‘Moskow/Jewish Mafia’.
Long story short, do you condone the amount of anti-semetic jew-this/jew-that commentary on your blog or not?
And who are you to demand answers? Geez the nerve!
From Spain (crumbling South of EuroCrap). Very happy for the first time since the black flowers of Maidan blossomed. At the same time, very sad for the 1000s of civilians so uselessly murdered. Many of them should / could be alive today. I”m not a Putin basher but a No-Fly Zone and a peacekeeping force with Kazahstan and Belarus would have saved many lives. Anyway, I must admit my fears of Putin being a coward and a traitor were absolutely groundless.
From Spain (crumbling South of EuroCrap). Very happy for the first time since the black flowers of Maidan blossomed. At the same time, very sad for the 1000s of civilians so uselessly murdered. Many of them should / could be alive today. I”m not a Putin basher but a No-Fly Zone and a peacekeeping force with Kazahstan and Belarus would have saved many lives. Anyway, I must admit my fears of Putin being a coward and a traitor were absolutely groundless.
Hi Saker,
Thank you for the latest update – incredible how quickly things have turned around for Donbass! I am quite fussy about spelling and some of the typos in your articles are hard on my brain. :) I would like to offer some corrections – please don’t be offended!:
“Demonstrations have taken place in from of the Ukie General Staff which many Right Sector protesters which are demanding the creation of a “generals battalion”
> I think you mean “Demonstrations have taken place in FRONT of the Ukie General Staff BY many Right Sector protesters WHO are demanding the creation of a “generals battalion”<
“Clearly, some Putin bashers are paid by Russian oligarchs, others are just to dull”
> TOO dull<
“Ukraine is already a failed state and that a seizable minority of the Ukrainian population if formed of truly rabid nationalists.”
> Ukraine is already a failed state and that a SIZEABLE minority of the Ukrainian population IS formed of truly rabid nationalists. <
” the rest of the Ukraine is probably going to slouch to towards”
> the rest of the Ukraine is probably going to slouch towards <
” there is no reason to suspect an over Russian military intervention “
> there is no reason to suspect an OVERT Russian military intervention <
All the best from occupied Canuckistan
Saker: “This really begs the question of what the Poles think that they will achieve with this other than the dubious honor of “servicing” Uncle Sam once more […]”
The same that they tought achieve when they did a free bl*wjob to amerikkkans (according Sikorski).
Nothing: They do by vocation.
First the SINGULARITY. In war, the singularity marks the point where a sudden and extraordinary visible change appears to occur in a situation that previously appeared to be at equilibrium. This is what we are witnessing in Ukraine at this time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFyqlJekMxI
This video shows the scientific equivalent, where a current British TV magician instantly freezes an entire fountain. The rick is predicated on the fact that what the eye sees is not always the underlying truth.
So the neo-Nazi forces, vastly larger and better armed than those of Novorussia, suddenly collapse, and the Novorussian problem is an “embarrassment of riches” in terms of which fronts to push deeper and deeper into once enemy territory.
Hitler and the Nazis had many such successes in their early days. Armies that had spend more than a decade training to defend against invasion fell overnight to Nazi Blitzkriegs. And Hitler fell perfectly into the trap of the true masters of the Earth.
The Jewish controlled press of West Europe, North America, Australia, much of Asia, the Middle East, and much of Africa is screaming about a Russian invasion. The ONLY problem is that their sheeple followers know what a REAL Russian invasion would look like- so even they are dubious about the hyperbole. However, that doesn’t alter the reason for the ‘GROOMING’.
The Jewish controlled press groomed the sheeple for a genocidal war in Iraq on the back of invented WMDs. The invasion was led by Tony Blair, but the British people were entirely against the war- made no difference.
Tony Blair has arranged the biggest meet of NATO ever seen, in Cardiff, UK. The single purpose of the meeting is to make Kiev an immediate member of NATO. It is Blair’s boldest move to date, but if Blair pulls it off, the world will be closer to nuclear war than at any time since WW2.
The most powerful people in the world have been preaching the need for the Human population to be reduced to TWO BILLION for years now. Current Jewish produced “entertainment” media is littered with post-apocalyptic themes and stories. The grooming couldn’t be more obvious.
Most of the analysis I see here tries to understand the events from a bottom-up point-of-view. This is classic BETA/Technocrat thinking that always serves the interests of those higher in the power pyramid.
TOP DOWN thinkers know events in Novorussia are designed to be a “Casus belli”- a justification for real war.
If Tony Blair succeeds in getting Kiev admitted into NATO, the MUTUAL-DEFENCE treaty will NOT be active- no existing NATO member outside Canada, UK and USA would be mad enough to permit that. But NATO forces from ‘willing’ nations will flood into all parts of Ukraine NOT formally defined as part of the Russian Federation.
Putin, having been fooled into NOT sending in peacekeepers at the beginning, now faces the imminent need to formally recognise a defined part of East Ukraine as Russia Federation territory- with the need to craft legal mutual defence treaties with the ‘leaders’ of this territory BEFORE Kiev joins NATO.
NATO has Putin over a barrel. How would YOU act now in Putin’s position? By the end of next week, Kiev may have joined NATO, and if so any part of Ukraine not formally part of the Russian Federation is lost.
Yes, we’ve comprehensively won the battle against the neo-Nazis. But the monsters are about to win this war.
PS I don’t really think Blair’s ploy will work. The Demon’s absolute loyalists are legion, but there are far more lesser higher-ups who are scared s**tless of Russia, and they still hold many senior positions of influence, especially throughout the US armed services. They will settle, instead, for a massive expanded NATO first-strike presence in existing NATO-friendly nations near to Russia. Watch out for coming events in Finland.
Although I am an American, I was stunned when I read Meyer’s article. If he said that about President Obama, he would be arrested by the Secret Service.
I would like to know more about Meyer’s background before he worked for the CIA.
Dear Saker
As always I wait for your article on Ukraine. I have enjoyed it, thanks a lot.
May God bless Russia and you.
Neka Bog blagosovi Rusiju i tebe.
Croat and Russophile
It is worth keeping in mind that the old Ukraine minus the Donbass and Crimea is not likely to be that desirable for Russia. Basically, hostile. So Russia needs a different plan.
My wild guess all along has been Crimea-Russia; old Novorossiya returns Kharkov to Odessa; Galician independence and Transcarpathia independence. Also, from a Russian point of view, having Transcarpathia under Hungarian economic domination and Galicia under Polish and German domination would be a plus. It would limit their radical and suicidal tendencies somewhat. Having the small Ukraine with no coast would force them to behave.
Although I am an American, I was stunned when I read Meyer’s article. If he said that about President Obama, he would be arrested by the Secret Service.
I would like to know more about Meyer’s background before he worked for the CIA.
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Why don’t you search internet and bring out for us?
Aerial views of the monument and surroundings of Saur-Mogila, taken from a drone of the Novorossian air squadron. The extent of the bombardment is breath-taking.
The units that took part in the Independence Day parade in Kiev were sent to the front afterwards. About 30% of the troops deserted en route.
Current headline on Drudge Report: (in large caps) Putin: Don’t mess with (nuclear) Russia.
http://www.drudgereport.com/
This links to Reuters report wherein Putin talks to students as adults while US leadership/media talk to adults of the world as children.
http://uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/idUKL5N0QZ3HC20140829?irpc=932
The success of Novorossian forces in the war of extermination directed against them by Washington’s puppet in Kiev may in fact be only a prelude to Washington’s goal of a proxy war on Russia. For that, Russia must have a representative, and the failure of Kiev’s forces in Eastern Ukraine has created one. Now NATO will surely intervene. Stephen Harper can hardly wait.
As NATO ramps up its support for the genocidal Nazis in Kiev, Russia will be compelled to increase its support for Novorossiya. The goal of Washington’s policy is the humiliation of Putin, disintegration of the Russian Federation through foreign subversion, a new round of oligarchic looting, and expansion of NATO to China’s border.
In your dreams Canspeccy! Re: “NATO will surely intervene” – for that to happen they’d need a spine and full lobotomy: the EU and NATO have no more cards to play, they certainly aren’t going to escalate now that their proxy-bitch, the Ukie-Junta, is on the ropes. This is practically over and the control freak morons in Brussels, Berlin and London have to take it up their collective tailpipes (in line with their enlightened and ‘superior’ values) for having so thoroughly screwed up.
This war is proceeding exactly according to plan, the Russian plan (with a little help from the powerful faction of realists and defense establishment types within the corridors of power in the US; the competent folks that used to run US foreign policy before a bunch of brainless and treasonous neo-liberal (euro/anglo-phile 5th columnists) and neocon trash usurped US power and completely bungled America’s position globally).
Four months ago several of us predicted that Putin would act decisively at the start of Sept., well…, he and his competent planners beat our prediction by 4 – 6 days. The Russian leadership have now intervened overtly (aid convoy, overt calls by Putin to the Novorossiya leadership & quadrupling the forces of the resistance with freshly trained volunteers) having lined up all of their ducks:
-prepping/hardening the Russian economy against sanctions,
-bleeding the EU sponsored NAZIs with a well run and planned out insurgency,
-signing-off the BRIC Devel and Monetary Fund Banks, closing massive energy deals with Asia,
-ratifying bilateral de-dollarization trade pacts with the largest up-coming economic powers of this century (India, China, South-America, and…, ironically, Europe),
-sabotaging Western isolation of Iran with a sanctions-busted oil-exchange mechanism,
-carefully planning out and implementing the most painful and destabilizing counter sanctions on the EU,
– and waiting for the stored gas in the EU and Ukraine to run out).
Being ahead of schedule, the Russian leadership/Putin acted with alacrity as usual.
It’s hilarious looking at Poroshenko suddenly talking in a muted, humble and nervous tone at his press conferences in front of Western ‘Media’: gone is his swagger, puffed chest, and loud bombastic tone. Me thinks that after have received a swift and solid kick in balls in Minsk, Parasshenko’s voice may have gone up an octave in pitch, down a few decibles in volume and unmasked his true inner effeminate quality.
It’s even more hilarious to observe the British reaction. Typical of the psychopathic and autocratic nature of their inbred leadership, they are particularly sore losers: whenever the British elite lose a campaign they go into denial and pretend like it never happened. Witness the pathetic way the British media has tried to ignore the Novirossiya victory, trying to distract everyone with the ISIS bogeyman, a creature of their own creation. Whenever you see the British MSM try to ignore a burning issue it’s usually proof that the British establishment have thrown in the towel.
Poroshenko and Kolomosky should do not get away with this. They should be prosecuted, jailed and condemened for crimes against humanity. Poroshenko for targeting civilian areas in East Ucraine and Kolomosky for the killing of civilians in Odessa! Poroshenko is in big despair in engaging NATO because he realizes he is a criminal like many of the oligarcs like Kolomosky
Hi All,
EntryPoint Here:
Poroshenko is, and will be, yet another victim of the disgusting and vile curse that has gradually crept from west to east in the form of fraud, violence and oligarchy – as the planets rotate, so do the tables.
American Thinker is a fantastic oxymoron!
Itar-Tass reports four (4) SU-25 aircraft shot down today.
Quick, call Poland and Lithuania and maybe, Canada for a reload.
Kiev says: put it on our tab.
I am Polish Canadian and I am ashamed of Polish politics
What a bunch of morons and American stooges
Lonkal at 16:27 complained of anti-Semitic sentiments on this blog. I won’t take that up, but I will ask Lonkal:
Have you complained in the comments sections of articles on the Ukraine, MH17, etc. in just about any Western newspaper or broadcast news outlet about the disgusting Russo- and Putin-hatred and phobia shown by professional working journalists and presumably their editors on those outlets—PLUS the commenters!!!
Within the context of this blog’s area of concern, slepticism toward the role of Jewish individuals in perpetrating the catastrophes and crimes under discussion here is perfectly justified. you may say that it is just coincidence if certain individuals are Jews, and you may be right. Unfortunately, these individuals have enormous power. Is your concern about other “antis” as strong as your concern for supposedly anti-Semitic expressions? If not, then that is a form of “pro-
Semitism” that is very closely linked to anti-Semitism.
Katherine, USA (Jewish grandfather NOT a Zionist)
I hope, no I pray that Lyashko get caught!
Make him a (not too fair ;-) trail!
“There are plenty of historical examples which show that separatist movements eventually settled for less, often wisely so”
I don´t know why you keep insisting that solution, despite rivers of blood and the wishes and demands of the Anti-Nazi self defence and the surviving civilians that have been living through this Nazi nightmare from times learned of, but otherwise best forgotten.
Give us an example instead on how Novorossiyans and Nazis, semi-Nazis, fascists or just common Russophobes from years of indoctrination just could be jolly good friends tomorrow and shake hands and laugh it off.
Novorossiyans HAVE to have a state of their own if for no other reason than to remain strong and defend themselves against the inevitable next ukie Nazi pogrom, ask the Serbs..
Mikhas.
Saker say <>
Why not Novorussia east from the line Karhkow-Odessa + Transnistria???
I wanted to lift a comment from the comments to the article by the crazy ex-CIA guy http://www.americanthinker.com/2014/08/how_to_solve_the_putin_problem_comments.html#disqus_thread
By vic: “Before we will start, I would like to make it very clear that I am nor Russian, I am not paid by Putin, and I don’t like Putin. As a matter of fact, I am Ukrainian by origin. However:
You see, aemoreira81, I happen to serve mandatory 2 years in a Soviet army on “Buk” complex prototype long time ago (the first “Buk” systems were available in the early 1990th). And I can state that your “likely theory” is COMPLETELY wrong. You see, in order to guide “Buk” missile to ~10km vertical attitude, you need not only missile lunching part of the “Buk” regiment (which rebels had), but also continuous data from 360 degree observation radar and missile guiding radar. Without these data, “Buk” missile is blind until its semi-guided warhead gets close to ~1km to the target. Moreover, “Buk” missile station has its own 360 radar, but that one has only enough power to guide actual missile up to ~6km, not ~10km jet was flying at. Now, that being said, “Buk” missile had ~30km horizontal and ~18km vertical range. Now, lets solve a simple arithmetic problem. Boeing plane is coming toward you at ~900km/h speed (~15km/minute) at ~10km attitude. You are the rebel with radar capable of seeing and guiding the target up to ~6km. So, can you use that radar? No. Well, you can say, in the clear sky human can see with army type binoculars say up to 20 km range. Suppose you are drunk (as you proposed) rebel, who cannot differentiate between civil, a very large Boeing jet and a small , very different in silhouette, ground attacker SU-25. Lets assume that although you are completely drunk, you can fire a “Buk” missile in 2 minutes. In 2 minutes, Boeing would cover 30km, this is 10km away from your position and at ~10km attitude. Say you fired the missile anyway, just in case. I don’t know exact speed of “Buk” missile, but lets assume that it goes with ~3 Mach speed. Your are welcome to do the math by yourself, but the bottom line is, missile will run out of fuel before it can get close to the plane. Needless to say (see above) that you have one out of million chance that non-guided missile gets close to the jet to activate its own semi-auto warhead…
Part 2
“Now, lets play the different game. You are Ukrainian government “Buk” regiment commander. There are 4 complete “Buk” regiments were detected and proven to be around Donetsk area by satellite photos taken by Russians (strangely enough US and EU said nothing about those in mainstream media despite the fact that those were forwarded to US and EU for complete analysis by Russians…). Anyway. You have under you command nine 360 observation stationary (separate from missile station) radars, which are capable to cover ~150-200km each. Again, those data are based on Russian radar monitoring and again those were forwarded to US and EU for analysis few weeks ago… Next, most likely you have all of those radars on simply because Ukrainian government believed that the Russians jet fighters are coming (see numerous hysterical statements about this in Ukrainian mass media between July 15 and 17) and you have to do a standard exercise to calibrate systems and make sure that those are ready to face any problems coming from Russians. The standard procedure for radar calibration is to get a fighter jet to the sky and let that jet fly at different attitudes, different speeds, and different distances. In order to make sure that all systems are operational, you have to fire on all of those systems including “Buk” missile stations. So, your 360 radars are on, your powerful stationary missile guide radars are on, your “Buk” missile stations are on. Your have a test target (SU-25) flying ~5km close to the Boeing. Is it possible to fire a missile? If you are well trained US soldier, then the answer is: highly unlikely. If you are, however, Ukrainian soldier, who had no any experience in actual lunching of missile, then the answer is: possible. You can ask me why Ukrainian antiaircraft regiments had no actual missile lunching practice? The answer is simple and available over the internet. In the early 2000th (if I remember correct, it was 2001), Ukrainian antiaircraft regiment downed Russian TU-154 over a Black Sea at ~200km distance from the firing site (they used SAM-200 long-range system during that exercise). After that, actual missile lunching exercises were banned in Ukrainian army. My point is: based on the available data (and I am kind of skeptical about social media data because two key “evidence” data on voice interception and movie on “Buk” crossing Russian border on July 18 were proven to be fake), it is more likely that Ukrainian army downed Boeing rather than rebels did it. Of course, we all aware that US government said that they have evidence, but they did not presented any. No satellite images were presented so far. This is very strange because according to the open sources, two different US satellites were monitoring that area at that time. One has infra-red detecting system, which is capable of detecting IR signatures of missile with high precision. The second was optical recon system with high resolution camera. If you will check the whether conditions that day, both systems should provide you with clear data on what happened. Why those data were not released? It is also interesting to read US army experts on the possibility to use of “Buk” system by drunk rebels. All of them (and those comments are easily available over internet) mentioned that “Buk” cannot be operated easily by the rebels. Not to the precision to down jet at ~10km attitude. Another interesting question to ask, is why Ukrainian army was using heavy artillery to shell the wreckage site for several days? Again, I am not trying to prove anything, just trying to analyze available data here…”
Mark Sleboda @MarkSleboda1 · 38m
Putin advisor, Sergei Glazyev: #NovoRossiya will be part of the Customs/Eurasian Union
Russian language:
http://www.e-news.su/in-russia/23503-rossiya-budet-otkazyvatsya-ot-vvoda-voysk-na-donbass-no-podderzhivat-opolchenie-sovetnik-putina.html
If Donbass will be able to defend its sovereignty, Russia will initiate before the Customs Union partners Novorossia’s entry in the Common Economic Space.
This was at a conference in Yalta, said Sergei Glazyev, Vladimir Putin’s adviser.
According Glazev economy LC and DNR could “most effectively integrate” in the structure of the Customs Union – we are talking about the military-industrial complex, agriculture, chemistry and metallurgy.
“There are no problems in terms of economic relations and trade regimes, no
It is obvious that after the war is over in the Donbas, preferential treatment and LC DNR – will be strengthened. I hope that our colleagues in the TC would not oppose integration. Previously, they did not mind the whole Ukraine “, – he said.
1-President Putin should recognize Novorossya as independent state or part of Russia BEFORE Ukraine becomes Nato-associated.
2-“Carthaginem delendam esse” this is what Uncle Sam wants for Putin: I hope the Russian President sees his “partners” for what they are, and may properly defend himself.
3- “Bravo” to the militia who fought so well for all the decent people in the world!
funny enough I asked yesterday why the noble fighters of NovoRussia had not recaptured Donetsk airport and lo and behold rumor has it they have!
Oleg Tsarev: Warehouses in Mariupol will feed the population of new Russia in the winter. The next target may become Odessa…
In an interview with channel Linus, the head of the Supreme Council of the new Russia Oleg Tsarev assessed value of Mariupol for DND and LNR and purpose of advancing troops of the militia to Odessa:
“In Mariupol are large food stores, and in particular the grain elevators. Considering the fact that controlled the towns militia did not find large food stores, the city will be able to become the breadwinner of Donbass and Lugansk region for several winter months. The long term objective of the army of Novorossia in the future, it may become Odessa…
Americans are increasingly becoming unhinged, as they lash out with self-righteous venom and thinly concealed threats against those nations that dare oppose the American Empire.
America is an Evil Empire in its death throes, as its jealously guarded Dollar Dictatorship (i.e. the Dollar’s undeserved Reserve Currency status) is increasingly being rejected even by its nominal allies from France to Japan.
America wants to rule the world, but if it can’t, it will pull the Sampson Option and try to take down the world with it.
That is why the United Snakes of America ultimately is demonizing and threatening Russia, China, and other proponents of a multipolar world not dominated by the self-styled Leader of the Free World.
Americans simply cannot stand to face this geopolitical reality, and instinctively spew their shrill spittle-flecked lies, as especially evidenced by the global American media machine.
Anon @ 16:46–
I tried that before I posted that comment. Meyer worked for Bill Casey during the Reagan Administration. There is not much else that is easy to find except that he was an economics editor at Fortune magazine.
This type of commentary (minus the suggestion of assassination) has also been published by some at Forbes magazine within the last few months.
It is worth knowing if this kind of virulent anti-Putinism is coming from some on Wall Street. For the most part, it isn’t coming from the American public.
Aw right, pipe down! It ain’t the time to be popping champagne and opening the caviar quiet yet.
What you have seen this week is simply the first two meters of the first plow furrow of the field of victory. The road to eventual triumph will be very long and arduous, make no mistake of that. Many a good man will fall, many a widow and child will cry tears of sadness for their husband and father who will not come home from the battle. Our boys up north will not win every firefight, they will not win every section or rota engagement. Tanks will burn, BTR’s will become scrap metal, whole units may be wiped out. That’s the way it is in War.
The orks and their masters are relentless, make no mistake. They will fight tooth and claw, not so much to turn what is a huge reverse in to victory but because that is their way. They never stop. You will see hundreds if not thousands of civilians die before this is over. You will see many of the boys fall even though the orks are in retreat AT THIS MOMENT. God knows what our boys will find as they liberate town after town, village after village, city after city but you can be guaranteed that The West will never believe nor even listen to the reports of what is found. Remember, these westerners and ork oligarchs are the same animals who had no qualms about killing 298 innocents in MH17 just to shove it up Mr. Putin’s ass.
I advocate cautious optimism. Perhaps a sip of wine or a celebratory shot of vodka is in order, but this is no victory, this is simply glimpsing, however fleetingly, the light at the end of the tunnel. The tunnel is still long and dark and full of nasty little things that go ‘bump’ in the night.
That being said, I salute the brave fighters of Novorossiya, those brave fighters who never gave up, never faltered even in the darkest of times in their quest for freedom for themselves, their loved ones, and their new country of Novorossiya. May God bless them, each and every one of them, and may God take Novorossiya and it’s citizens under his loving and protecting gaze. God bless you all.
This Meyer, what element, but… you can say it just like that?
It is not a death threat? And it’s not the same thing happened with the Malaysian plane threatening to do?
Please someone do something, is that they do not even hide it!
No wonder the Novorussians not want to live with their thugs, is that I do not want to live on the same planet with people who say this and then also does.
This is because it is a matter of either them or us, I think, both are incompatible.
YES! Definitely it is a beautiful day!
Novorossiya, the bright and hopeful path to freedom is right there!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdGj9u22bW0
Pust’ rasprostranyat’ lyubov’:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=KYHRKEnOMmc
Yes, all this news made my day! This is a great site and great comments here. While I am not Ukrainian or Russian, my sister-in-law is from Ukraine. She speaks Ukrainian, but her first language is Russian. She is Novorossiyan. Although not political, she knew of the Praviy Sektor’s role in the coup back in February.
The “tide” has turned and Kiev is going to collapse for a whole host of reasons covered here and elsewhere. The illegitimate puppet regime in Kiev will not last until the sham “elections” called for October.
Although war and violence are terrible, I would like to see mass murderers like Kolomoisky, Poroshenko, Timoshenko et al. hanged for war crimes. A Nueremberg-style would be perfect, so the world could see their crimes.
Of course the king of war criminals, Clinton/Bush/Obama; Vicki Nuland-Kagan, Samantha Power, Zbiggy B, and others ought to be on trial and…
I can still imagine justice.
While war is the worst, the NAF forces’ victory over the Kiev regime will save many lives.
Although pure speculation, we may see a “mutiny” of Kiev forces as draconian measures mount from Kiev. That would be perfect and would save many more lives.
I do not agree that the regime in Kivew is nazi, both the president and the PM are jews, as well as the mayor. If anything it is a jewish-oligarch puppet-regime using nazi battalions to terrorize the general populance.
It might be nazi however after the election, looks like the radical party and Svoboda will get 30%+ in latest opinion polls.
In the Dutch news: pm Rutte categorically rules out Ukrainian NATO membership and stresses the importance for Ukraine of having good relations with both Russia and EU.
Basically the German attitude and unlike the British and Polish attitudes.
Kind regards,
Dutch
In an article appearing today in Rebelion can read this: (Now we know why all channels and newspapers say the same as parrots.):
“Fue una incógnita el hecho de que la canciller de Alemania, Angela Merkel, aceptara sumisamente estas sanciones contra la voluntad de sus corporaciones con vastos intereses en Rusia que los obligaría a despedir unos 300.000 empleados en el primer año de aplicación de estas medidas. Recién la lectura del libro del ex jefe del Servicio de Contrainteligencia Militar de Alemania (MAD – Militarischer Abschirmdienst), el general en retiro Gerd-Helmut Komossa, “Die Deutsche Karte” publicado en 2007 ayudó a aclarar la sumisión de Alemania a los EEUU.
En su libro, Komossa describe como en 1949 Washington y Bonn habían firmado un acuerdo “top secret” vigente hasta el año 2099, según el cual Estados Unidos tendría un control sobre los medios de comunicación alemanes; el canciller de turno debe firmar una Ley De Canciller; y el oro alemán (unos 670 toneladas) se mantendrá en Norteamérica.
Seguro los mismos acuerdos existen con España, Portugal, Italia y Japón, solamente no hay acceso a aquellos tratados. Lo que sí está claro es que la vieja Europa perdió su soberanía y se convirtió en otro títere de Estados Unidos. Repite lo que dice, miente o desinforma el Gran Patrón incapaz de proteger sus propios intereses.”
Full article:
http://www.rebelion.org/noticia.php?id=189027
Best news ever
Dear Saker i think you probably under evaluate American Madness…
VR is pushed to break the Ukie “non bloc” convention and quicly apply to Nato and we could see a Natoo intervention in days.
They pressure the US to do so and considering the madness there i’m not sure they will admit their wrongdoings.
Shit could really hit the fan.
For 3 month i’m following you, you were remarkable in calm/cold analysis at first but:
Dude you need to breeze hard and get some altitude, Saker or not Saker? ;)
KrauzerII
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It is the results of the incredible tactic for strategic results use by Novorossia Leadership from the beginning;
– Few men but very good one who fought ”back to the wall” (win or die, they have family to protect);
– Forbidden your sky to ennemy aircraft;
– Move your forces on interior lines;
– Stop your ennemy offensive by ceaseless hit and run flank counter attack and harrassement;
– and shells them very effectively;
– Take offensive for strategic goals (with reserve force?) when ennemy forces have reached breaking point (don’t let them a single seconds for recovering).
The men who have fouhgt there are great warrior, with a fantastic leadership.
Economy of military means and costs. This fantastic campaign will be teach in officer schools for many years.
(Like the victory of inkotanyi of General Kagame against french genocidary force in Rwanda in 1994).
Those victory was ”helped” through bad leadership of the ennemy.
What will follow? Cease fire or insurrection in Karkhow, Dniepropetrovsk and Odessa (backed by Novorussian Army)???
“…as soon as the Ukie regime begins collapsing the West will suddenly ask for negotiations.”
Given the current free fall, that’s the only US-EU option because it seems so inevitable. The negotiations will be in behalf of a failed state failing even more as negotiations go forward. That will lead the US-EU nowhere other than total defeat.
IMF, World Bank, EU aid, troop presences are now outside of the acceptable spectrum of risk.
The fat lady is singing. It’s all over.
It should be. Obama wasn’t tricked by the neocons into doing this. It was the best option the Military-Wall Street industrial complex had. They’ve picked every apple in the orchard, twice over. This was a grand process of upping the ante, full mobilization for a real Cold War.
The U.S. citizens let it be known that this foreign nonsense was over when Congress was ready to vote down Obama’s attack on Syria last summer. Ukraine is an even crazier adventure and crime. It will be the end of Obama and the Democrats if they keep it up.
So what do you do? Invent a new terror threat in Iraq, of all places, one you’ve equipped for years to fight Syria. They obviously think that there’s a sucker born every minute. Unfortunately for us, the “rulers” are the suckers; the henchmen and their masters.
mindful said…29 August, 2014 16:36
“I would like to know more about Meyer’s background before he worked for the CIA.”
Psyops specialist. Sort of a modern mix between a Bernays, Freud, a goebbels and an upgrade of the CIA’s “make friends and influence people” approach to individual manipulation put to work against larger groups.
He is also a devout neocon, IE: an Israeli/zionist asset 5th element type. Probably when he was a the CIA, he was working as a conduit for the Israelis/zionists. See his writing here:
A Dose of Real-World Intel on Iran
http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/09/a_dose_of_real-world_intel_on_iran.html
Pure unadulterated Israeli/zionist propaganda.
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Katherine said…29 August, 2014 17:34
Very well said. It’s very obvious what role that ? is playing here and where its priorities lie.
вот так
Well, it seems we are moving from 4) disillusionment to 5) Search for the guilty in the Seven Stages of a Project. Fairly quickly, as well.
The Junta collapse seems to be accelerating. Perhaps a Maiden (Version II) will play out but this time with Poroshenko playing the role of Yanukovych. That would be hilarious.
As for Kolomoiski, I believe he is a walking dead man if he doesn’t run to his Swiss hideout. And even there may not be safe because once this “project” fully collapses, the Swiss may not be in the mood to keep pissing of the bear. Many oligarchs are probably even now readying there “bugout” plans.
I goes back to my idea that in the end a rump Ukraine of Lviv to (perhaps) Kiev becomes the economic basket case that gets to be the problem of Lithuania, Poland and Germany. This gives new meaning to the term “booby prize”.
A Novorussia from Lugansk to Transdneister may appear very quickly.
“All these factors clearly point to the same conclusion: the Ukraine needs to be
broken-up.”
Maybe yes, maybe no. A lot depends on how the regions see each other as the
Novorussian movement accelerates and it will. The East is only the start. The USSA
is going to experience much more pain in this arena as will the EU unless it wakes
up. Part of this is to wake up the EU, IMO.
“This might happen catastrophically – the East going to Novorussia,”
Industry, minerals, on the border of RU all positives.
“the South to Kolomoiski,”
Personally, I think his days are numbered. Either the Ukies or the Russians are
going to cash his chips or he will run off to Israhell. This guy has no future.
It’s a matter of time before he is gone.
What is in southern UE? Shipbuilding. and what else? Who is buying UE ships?
“the Center to Poroshenko”
Porky is dead meat. Kiew is already revolting, somewhat. He was always a
figurehead. He has no power.
What is in central UE? Farming? Who is going to buy the exports? The EU? RU?
“and the West breaking off completely.”
…maybe joining the Poles again. lol
“Ukraine is already a failed state”
…but it is a EU ‘failed state’. For some reason I think will make a difference
in the short term. Unless the EU trades the mess off to RU. This is also a
possibility.
“and that a seizable minority of the Ukrainian population if formed of truly rabid
nationalists.”
…true, but nationalists sometimes only need a direction. Right now the direction
is plain wrong but I think with the proper application of ‘political education’ it
could become something else.
“So right now things don’t look too good for any negotiated solution.”
It is too early to negotiate. Nothing has been settled. Novorussia is still
basically an idea. It must take hold. Winter is not here yet. The EU is still
stupid. There is nothing to negotiate, yet.
“Novorussia probably has the potential to rebuild and to become a more or less
livable, stable place: most of its industry is in ruins, but it’s “human
capital”, it’s people, are very bright and hard working and its political
leaders clearly capable people. “
That’s it. Smile a little.
“But short of some kind of miracle, the rest of the Ukraine is probably going to
slouch to towards the kind of mess the USA is so good at leaving behind in
places like Libya or Iraq.”
I wouldn’t bet on this. Neither RU or the EU want a garbage dump in their
backyard.
“Maybe not, maybe the Europeans will finally grow a spine and tell the US to
stay out and then try to solve this ugly mess with Russia.”
That’s it. Smile a bit Winter is coming. :)
There is not a chance in hell Ukraine will be admitted to NATO. Brutain, Poland and Baltics will vote yes, the majority of the rest no, since it could mean war with Russia (and China). And nobody wants that.
Dutch
Congrats to Novorussia from Germany! I hope the war will be over soon, too many have died already.
The only word I know in Russian. (Teach by a ex-polish friend).
HOURRA – POBIEDA
LUC
Hooray!!! A big congratulations to NAF!
My regards to all the people who have lost their loved ones and to the memory of those who died.
Yes yes, any celebration is premature and I’m very down about the governments of Finland (where I live) and Sweden selling their people out and joining the host nation agreement with NATO (there will be big NATO military exercises here which seems almost surreal), but what the hell, it’s been such a long time since anything has gone right that I’ll just enjoy this brief moment of happiness. And heck, who knows, this might turn things around in a bigger way. And Putin seems to be playing it the right way (not that I’m qualified to evaluate this), focusing on building peace and not taking it out on those who have been forced to fight unwillingly. They might even come to their senses and turn on the real enemies in Kiev. Thank you thank you thank you to all the brave fighters of NAF!
I am against Antisemitism as it is directed at all Jews, not just the Jewish elite. Why should the ordinary Jew have to suffer for the arrogance, hostility to others, not eating with others, being different, smelling(?) differently, etc. instilled in him or her by the Jewish elite? It is a form of brainwashing which includes being made to feel guilty if ordinary Jews are not buying Israel bonds or even thinking about redeeming them.
“Since sublety does not work with the Russians”
My God! High level thinking, isn’it?
Pure genius. Especially coming from a US american.
If that is the level of observation power and thinking ability of the elite governing the US, the people there should start worrying about their future.
“If Tony Blair succeeds in getting Kiev admitted into NATO, “
I think your giving this traitor a lot more credit than he deserves. Unless, that is, you are his PR mgr. I don’t think even the UK would follow his lead. DE? Maybe the Poles. Blair is full of gas and hot air but not enough to keep the EU warm this winter.
вот так at 18:44
It would be interesting to know what percentage of posters here are actually American citizens. I am afraid I don’t understand how many posters here use the term “zionist.” To me, it has always meant those in favor of Israeli statehood.
FYI, I don’t think that Meyer is the only one that could benefit from toning down the rhetoric. Some of the comments here almost seem to be like caricatures from awful movies in the 1970s in which the Russkies were always the (somewhat uninformed) enemy.
If he said that about President Obama, he would be arrested by the Secret Service.
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LOL!
Not if you belong to the tribe…
http://gawker.com/5877892/newspaper-editor-israel-should-consider-assassinating-obama
Oh, these so “anti-semitic” fact!
(Lonkai, what is your take about that very anti-semitic massacre going on in Palestine?)
A fig for the “settlers”. Kiev Junta delenda est!
All the eastern bank of Dniepr must be demons-free and a patient work of rehabilitation must be undertaken for the zombies there. It will not be overly difficult, most of them are just sick, not bad people.
In the South, you must be able to drive from Rostov to the wonderful valleys of Carpatho-Russia and Tiraspol, not only to Crimea.
You must also hunt and prosecute ALL those responsible for Odessa martyrs and the more than 6,000 innocent civilians assassinated cold-blooded in the Donbass.
If they get away even this time with those murders, nothing will change!
The rest can go to the hell (the West) they so ardently crave!
Nothing less will solve the problem. Anything short of this and it will resurface regularly in the future, ever more dangerous.
And let’s hope that the Europeans will finally be able to start a real struggle to set free their lands from the boots of the D-Empire and its local whores on duty.
Go Scotland!
I think Ukraine will continue to exist, but its border will be significantly pressed back. If the public in Kiev overtake the government hasty negotiations might put an end to the war immediately..
Over time I think the Ukrainians will have to rely on Russia almost wholly as they finally recognize EU and USA hopeburgers amounted to absolutely nothing.
Putin seems to take their grievances with Russia into account, hence the humanitarian pleas for the trapped Ukranian army.
Ultimately this has been a very tragic affair – the ukrainians clearly wanted a break with Russia, but their movement was co-opted by vile parties that wanted to depopulate the russian east, and enrich themselves with prized resources.
If Novyrussia is victorious, the feeling of loss will live on for a long time in the hearts of many.. but there may be green shoots if the result of all this is more democratic empowerment, and a ridding of oligarchial rule… We can only hope
“Katherine said…
Lonkal at 16:27 complained of anti-Semitic sentiments on this blog. I won’t take that up, but I will ask Lonkal:
Have you complained in the comments sections of articles on the Ukraine, MH17, etc. in just about any Western newspaper or broadcast news outlet about the disgusting Russo- and Putin-hatred and phobia shown by professional working journalists and presumably their editors on those outlets—PLUS the commenters!!!”
Don’t know about Lonkal, but I often rant against the anti-Putin lies in the comments of western press.
I have been for years – Yukos, Politskaya, Berezovsky vs Abramovic (as a 45 year Chelsea supporter I protest at a lot of press lies which are basically aimed at Putin). By the time Socchi came along, most comments in say the Daily Telegraph were accusing it of being in the pay of the exiled Oligarchs and US. It very rarely allows comments now on a Russia/Ukraine story.
It is quite easy to reach a view on Ukraine/EU/US without reaching the same view on Israel or even Iraq (Syria or Libya are harder I admit).
So yes I think I am (and Lonkal probably is) fully qualified to complain about the anti-semitic comments on the site. The worst of it is to any neutral thinker it all looks like conspiracist lunacy. Unpleasant lunacy too.
And while many of us are attracted to the cosk-up theory of history, the grand zionist conspiracy is ridiculous.
@ Katherine: A big hug for your great riposte!
Herbert E. Meyer, it would be okay with me if someone found You with a bullet in the back of your head, you monster!
And thanks to Saker for the wonderful blog!
Two interesting reprints at ICH
MoA writes:
“Russian Invasion” Of Ukraine, Turns Out to Have Been a Translation Error
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article39534.htm
Meanwhile, on the economic front:
The Nail In The Petrodollar Coffin
Gazprom Begins Accepting Payment For Oil In Ruble, Yuan
By Tyler Durden
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article39533.htm
Brian
Looks like the Rebel army may now previal with the help of several battalion combat teams from Russia and maybe more coming. I always said that the big question would be if Russia would enter the war with its army. That has now happened.For the sake of the Russian soldiers and their families Russia should declare a state of war as is proper in such a situation.
Two Russian diplomats missing from Russian embassy in Kiev.
http://itar-tass.com/politika/1409729
Alleged captured documents from the field, detailing the deliberate intent to shell civilian areas w/names, places, orders.
This could be something BIG.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zykk-F3iq5A
Can anyone provide an English transcript?
Bless you Mr. Saker. Stay well.
My heart is lifted. This report is music composed by the Masters. Oh, what a beautiful day – Blue skies, calm winds set the roadway for the Patriots.
Mariupol will fall to NAF before the weekend. It’s programmed and I wish for all the way to Odessa. I know. I know in time but it will make a tidy complete territory of NovoRussia.
Kolomoisky’s rule is numbered – a matter of weeks at the most. I expect when reality sets in he will flee to that little strip of land in the M.E., known as the first state of the united states of aMerika; the only state whose bonds are guaranteed by the federal government. Fact, not fiction.
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GAS talks are beyond Deadlock. No negotiations are possible unless Kiev withdraws their case before the Arbitration Court. Dumb and duummber. It was a lunatic advising to go that route.—thought only of a 15 months delay on payment of past due invoices.
EU needs to write a cheque ASAP before 15 September. There is already chill winds.
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@Lonkal
Question though, and a concern: Do you not think that even a Novorossiyan ultimate victoria doesn’t play into Sam’s hands?
Truth be told; the rest of the world has enough of war fatigue, the gift from the Empire. 1991-2014.
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Btw, your “I am disturbed by the amount of anti-semetism on here, it’s frankly disgusting.”
Please read Mr. Saker’s several posts in the previous months on civility, hate speech and in particular on your “concern”
Understand clearly the term semetic? what is the real meaning of anti-semetism? Of those who can’t be criticized?
As a Sephardic, [Ashkenazi–Sephardic,(Cohen line)] I applaud those who had the courage to place the recent advertisement in the New York Times. It’s well past due. But this is not the topic of this post.
Those who were oppressed by the Nazis have become oppressors. Kiev’s leadership are operating from the Nazi manual.
However, permit me because it is germain to the topic under discussion. Mr. Putin said earlier today, Kiev’s shelling in East Ukraine reminiscent of Nazi actions during WWii.
Shame that Yats, Porky and other members of “the chosen ones” in the Kiev coup government have thrown in with neo-nazis.
Then will you consider this group to be anti-semetic? Perhaps you missed the advertisement:
Holocaust survivors and their descendants accuse Israel of ‘genocide’ The Independent.co.uk
More than 300 Holocaust survivors and their descendants have condemned what they described as Israel’s ‘genocide of Palestinian people’ in an advert in the New York Times
Dozens of Holocaust survivors, together with hundreds of descendants of Holocaust survivors and victims, have accused Israel of “genocide” for the deaths of more than 2,000 Palestinians in Gaza since the conflict erupted in July.
In an open letter released by the International Jewish Anti-Zionist Network and published as an advert in The New York Times, the group calls for a full economic, cultural and academic boycott of Israel over its “wholesale effort to destroy Gaza”.
“Genocide begins with the silence of the world,” the statement reads, “We must raise our collective voices and use our collective power to bring about an end to all forms of racism, including the ongoing genocide of Palestinian people.”
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I remain free to criticize wrong headedness. we should be reminded of this: First they came for the ( ) ( ) ( ) then they came for me and there was no one left to raise a hand.
AM
Tusk family is from Germany. He’s grandfather was in Wehrmacht. He’s Merkel puppet. Even in Polish media you can watch
lamentations of these crooks, which are crying for any Merkel’s action against evil Putin.
The best joke is that propaganda machine in Poland frightens Poles that Russia will attack their country with tanks, etc very soon. Tusk was saying that “children will not go to school in first September, if Russia will countinue war in Ukraine”. LOL. But contrary to their declarations these hypocrites are threating Russia with sanctions, blocking planes with goverment officials – which is an act of war. They are escalating this crisis. They are looking for war Russia. This is so embarassing. These German/US puppets, which are destroyed Polish economy and which are fighting with one of their biggest partner in – Russia, are true enemy of Poles.
Poles like Ukrainians are neutral. Mostly, they don’t support their goverment. They know that they are ruled by bunch of thevies and agents, but there is no will to fight for true freedom and prosperity like Hungarians.
Novorussians and Hungarians also have true patriotic elites, which can lead effectively revolution. With agents and crooks in charge of rebellion you will end like Maidanites…