No one is quite getting Brexit. The reason it happened was the obvious:
1). English working class people have been royally shafted for 30 years. Can’t get a job and if they do, it won’t cover living expenses. In the wake of the sub-prime bail out the UK and EU govs liberalised labor laws allowing for mass importation of slave labor. Jobs that I worked 28 years ago for £16.50/ hour nights as a student factory box stacker now pay £8.50 bofore tax, even after 65% deflation in sterling purchasing power and 100% increase in living costs. Poles etc have passports removed by Lithuanian gangmasters and sleep 14/room on wall to wall mattresses and hot swap out when the night shift comes in. Towns near me are now 2/3 E. European in the space of 10 years. Everyone was a loser to this comoditisation of peoples.
and the not so discussed:
2) obama, during his visit, dropped a bomb shell in the ‘remain’ camp stating quite clearly that if the UK left the EU, Britain would be ‘back of the queue’ for a trade deal with the US. It was all over the papers. TTIP is a very hot topic for politically aware people. In one sentence he made sure a large number of labour voters and undecideds switched to ‘leave’. It was in the top 3 reasons people I spoke to gave for leaving, here in the highest ‘leave’ vote of the country. Most know that Europe’s TTIP with the USA will kill the belovd NHS, and much else. It has been all over the papers for months. I do not believe this was a badly planned speech, and I doubt very much if Obammys team handed it over to vassal Englishmen for approval.
Isn’t it clear by now, following the USA’s take-down of S. America, S. and west Africa, destruction of the Middle east and N Africa, encirclement of Russia and China, and breach of every international law and post war treaty, that the USA has no friends bar Israel? What makes anyone think that Europe too is not a target? This vote will result in further dismemberment of Europe and, specifically, dismantling of the Euro. One must ask oneself whether this was an unforeseen accident and who is set to gain. Soros did not bet against Sterling this time: he is betting against Europe.
All flows from this: The USA is bust, but can remain so and even expand its indebtedness so long as it can force the world to turn up at its debt auctions, trade in the dollar and close off / open countries it likes by denying / allowing access to their currency and banking system. Removal of the Euro re-cements this otherwise failing position by removing a major competitor.
Consequences: Let us say that the Euro falls over the next 5 years. There remains one final hurdle to ensure that the US remains debt-issuer-in-chief for a loooong time: the Russia-China alliance. Remove the Euro and that next phase moves a whole lot closer. This is not politics any longer, nor has been since about 1990 and the Iraq invasion. This is a fight to the death.
The most important thing Brits can do now is keep hold of Corbyn who is actively anti-NATO. The only unforseen kick in the balls for the US is Corbyn stays and a movement lifts up against NATO.
Something that I have to keep reminding myself is that powerful entities, states etc don’t have friends they have interests and pursue those interests to the exclusion of all else. A fight to the death indeed.
Proiper Gander:
Are you saying that Obama/USA wants Britain to leave the EU becuase it weakens the euro?
But Brexit also would seem to mean that the chances for TIPP are also weakened.
Not sure of your final verdict here on what you think the USA wants Britain to do.
Are you saying that Obama threats were actually designed to increase the Brexit vote?
“Are you saying that Obama/USA wants Britain to leave the EU because it weakens the euro?” “Not sure of your final verdict here on what you think the USA wants Britain to do.
Are you saying that Obama threats were actually designed to increase the Brexit vote?”
Yes, I fear so. It is entirely justifiable that the English voted to leave on personal grounds. But statements like Obama’s do not happen by accident. It was damn obvious what he said. I listened to it live and as soon as those words left his mouth I punched my leg and said to my wife ‘Thats it. He’s done it. We’re out.’ The press kept a lid on it for 2 or three days, and then it broke because every man and his dog had got the message ‘leave europe and you’ll be spared TTIP.’
One of the founding principles for maintaining empire is to subvert rising challengers by sowing division. As in ‘divide and conquer’. As a light exposition of this, here is a great clip from a very on-point political comedy series from the 1980’s that describes accurately Britain’s position in Europe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37iHSwA1SwE. On a more serious note, go and read (or re-read) Tacitus ‘The Agricola and The Germania’. It is a short and easily read eulogy written by a roman courtier for the consumption of other courtiers about his dead friend and father-in-law, Agricola, and a description of the peoples of Europe and how the Roman Empire managed them. It was not meant for the eyes of the general public and is therefore very revealing about the mechanisms and strings of empire, as well as the language of rulers over the vanquished. Nothing much has changed. As a read it should both feel unpleasantly familiar and give you a very clear and lofty view of current drivers in geo-politics. There is one passage where Tacitus puts a speech into the mouth of the leader of the rebelling British natives. It is a precise description of the way populations felt then and now under the yoke of an occupying force / increasing international corporatism with their go-for governments. Of course, the rebels are mercilessly crushed. A great book.
“But Brexit also would seem to mean that the chances for TIPP are also weakened.”
Not many know that during the sub-prime crisis of 08 the USA spent more bailing out European institutions than US institutions. The US and UK did the same to all parties (including Germany) during and after the last war. That does not mean they are now best friends forever, but that the EU is mortgaged up to the hilt to a foreign country. If you consider that Deutsche Bank alone is loaded up with EUR 54 trillion in derivative investments (compared with an EU wide GDP of only 9.6 trillion!), and that the US is holding the end of the financial rug on which the whole banking system in Europe now sits, you will see that TTIP is not really negotiable for the Europeans. If you are an Arab, you have to contemplate being bombed into the stoneage and a little bit of friendly democratic US genocide. The gun to ‘western’ heads of state – Japan, Canada, Australia, EU and Britain – is BIG debt to the US and their ever-present threat of financial and political collapse. They are in one hell of a position. Lose that leverage and every single element of US government, society and economy is unfundable. That is why it is a winner takes all confrontation with Russia-China.
No one is quite getting Brexit. The reason it happened was the obvious:
1). English working class people have been royally shafted for 30 years. Can’t get a job and if they do, it won’t cover living expenses. In the wake of the sub-prime bail out the UK and EU govs liberalised labor laws allowing for mass importation of slave labor. Jobs that I worked 28 years ago for £16.50/ hour nights as a student factory box stacker now pay £8.50 bofore tax, even after 65% deflation in sterling purchasing power and 100% increase in living costs. Poles etc have passports removed by Lithuanian gangmasters and sleep 14/room on wall to wall mattresses and hot swap out when the night shift comes in. Towns near me are now 2/3 E. European in the space of 10 years. Everyone was a loser to this comoditisation of peoples.
and the not so discussed:
2) obama, during his visit, dropped a bomb shell in the ‘remain’ camp stating quite clearly that if the UK left the EU, Britain would be ‘back of the queue’ for a trade deal with the US. It was all over the papers. TTIP is a very hot topic for politically aware people. In one sentence he made sure a large number of labour voters and undecideds switched to ‘leave’. It was in the top 3 reasons people I spoke to gave for leaving, here in the highest ‘leave’ vote of the country. Most know that Europe’s TTIP with the USA will kill the belovd NHS, and much else. It has been all over the papers for months. I do not believe this was a badly planned speech, and I doubt very much if Obammys team handed it over to vassal Englishmen for approval.
Isn’t it clear by now, following the USA’s take-down of S. America, S. and west Africa, destruction of the Middle east and N Africa, encirclement of Russia and China, and breach of every international law and post war treaty, that the USA has no friends bar Israel? What makes anyone think that Europe too is not a target? This vote will result in further dismemberment of Europe and, specifically, dismantling of the Euro. One must ask oneself whether this was an unforeseen accident and who is set to gain. Soros did not bet against Sterling this time: he is betting against Europe.
All flows from this: The USA is bust, but can remain so and even expand its indebtedness so long as it can force the world to turn up at its debt auctions, trade in the dollar and close off / open countries it likes by denying / allowing access to their currency and banking system. Removal of the Euro re-cements this otherwise failing position by removing a major competitor.
Consequences: Let us say that the Euro falls over the next 5 years. There remains one final hurdle to ensure that the US remains debt-issuer-in-chief for a loooong time: the Russia-China alliance. Remove the Euro and that next phase moves a whole lot closer. This is not politics any longer, nor has been since about 1990 and the Iraq invasion. This is a fight to the death.
The most important thing Brits can do now is keep hold of Corbyn who is actively anti-NATO. The only unforseen kick in the balls for the US is Corbyn stays and a movement lifts up against NATO.
Yes, a succinct analysis of the realities.
Something that I have to keep reminding myself is that powerful entities, states etc don’t have friends they have interests and pursue those interests to the exclusion of all else. A fight to the death indeed.
Proiper Gander:
Are you saying that Obama/USA wants Britain to leave the EU becuase it weakens the euro?
But Brexit also would seem to mean that the chances for TIPP are also weakened.
Not sure of your final verdict here on what you think the USA wants Britain to do.
Are you saying that Obama threats were actually designed to increase the Brexit vote?
Katherine
Hello Katherine,
“Are you saying that Obama/USA wants Britain to leave the EU because it weakens the euro?” “Not sure of your final verdict here on what you think the USA wants Britain to do.
Are you saying that Obama threats were actually designed to increase the Brexit vote?”
Yes, I fear so. It is entirely justifiable that the English voted to leave on personal grounds. But statements like Obama’s do not happen by accident. It was damn obvious what he said. I listened to it live and as soon as those words left his mouth I punched my leg and said to my wife ‘Thats it. He’s done it. We’re out.’ The press kept a lid on it for 2 or three days, and then it broke because every man and his dog had got the message ‘leave europe and you’ll be spared TTIP.’
One of the founding principles for maintaining empire is to subvert rising challengers by sowing division. As in ‘divide and conquer’. As a light exposition of this, here is a great clip from a very on-point political comedy series from the 1980’s that describes accurately Britain’s position in Europe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37iHSwA1SwE. On a more serious note, go and read (or re-read) Tacitus ‘The Agricola and The Germania’. It is a short and easily read eulogy written by a roman courtier for the consumption of other courtiers about his dead friend and father-in-law, Agricola, and a description of the peoples of Europe and how the Roman Empire managed them. It was not meant for the eyes of the general public and is therefore very revealing about the mechanisms and strings of empire, as well as the language of rulers over the vanquished. Nothing much has changed. As a read it should both feel unpleasantly familiar and give you a very clear and lofty view of current drivers in geo-politics. There is one passage where Tacitus puts a speech into the mouth of the leader of the rebelling British natives. It is a precise description of the way populations felt then and now under the yoke of an occupying force / increasing international corporatism with their go-for governments. Of course, the rebels are mercilessly crushed. A great book.
“But Brexit also would seem to mean that the chances for TIPP are also weakened.”
Not many know that during the sub-prime crisis of 08 the USA spent more bailing out European institutions than US institutions. The US and UK did the same to all parties (including Germany) during and after the last war. That does not mean they are now best friends forever, but that the EU is mortgaged up to the hilt to a foreign country. If you consider that Deutsche Bank alone is loaded up with EUR 54 trillion in derivative investments (compared with an EU wide GDP of only 9.6 trillion!), and that the US is holding the end of the financial rug on which the whole banking system in Europe now sits, you will see that TTIP is not really negotiable for the Europeans. If you are an Arab, you have to contemplate being bombed into the stoneage and a little bit of friendly democratic US genocide. The gun to ‘western’ heads of state – Japan, Canada, Australia, EU and Britain – is BIG debt to the US and their ever-present threat of financial and political collapse. They are in one hell of a position. Lose that leverage and every single element of US government, society and economy is unfundable. That is why it is a winner takes all confrontation with Russia-China.
Debt and death: the two tools of empire.
Proper gander
I took the liberty of reposting your excellent comment to Deutsche Welle (english).
Hope you don’t mind.
No problem.
Would be great if the crosstalk today 29th could also be posted eu impossible Was kindsa the topic.
https://www.rt.com/shows/crosstalk/348831-eu-reform-democracy-brexit/
Here you are.Mod.
Thanks…new crosstalk today too June 30th…..re brexit effect on Russia, eu and russia etc. Not yet posted on rt so cannot copy paste link…..
Ooops I meant today 1st July for new crosstalk re ladt post gosh the summer is going by.