Novorussian officials have called a press conference today to warn about the high risks of an Ukronazi assault on Novorussia in the very near future. I have asked our translation team and friends to subtitle the video of this press conference and I hope to get it in the next 24 hours or less.
The press conference was unique in that Edward Basurin, the Deputy Defense Minister and spokesman for the Novorussian armed forces showed a map with what he described as the Ukrainian attack plans:
While I don’t doubt for one second that the Novorussians have pretty much near perfect intelligence about the situation in the Nazi-occupied Ukraine and the plans of the junta (all that provided courtesy of the Russian GRU), I have to say that what this maps shows is extremely predictable too and not fundamentally different from what the Ukronazis tried last year: surrounding and cutting off Donetsk from Lugansk and taking control of key parts (or even all) of the Ukrainian-Russian border. Basurin also quoted the figures for the junta forces and those are in line with what others, including Cassad, have reported. The Ukronazi force is most definitely numerically large.
Basurin also warned that the attack would be preceded by a false flag attack organized by the junta and blamed on the Novorussians. Again, nothing new here.
To be honest, we are all getting used to ‘cry wolf’ about an impending Ukronazi attack. And this is hardly our fault. Such an attack has, indeed, been impending for a long while already and the junta’s bellicose rhetoric has only reinforced this sense of imminent danger. Furthermore, the recent visit of the British Defense Minister in Kiev only made things worse as the junta always does something ugly when western dignitaries visit Kiev. Add to this that Poroshenko is scheduled to meet with his German and French counterparts next week and the sense of crisis will be total. And logically so.
So while the tensions are real and definitely based in reality, they are also nothing new here, really. You could also legitimately that all this panic is nothing else but business as usual and that it will remain so until the regime of Nazi freaks in Kiev is finally replaced by something more or less civilized. This will inevitably happen but, alas, not in the near future.
So we are left with this exhausting and frustrating situation where yet another Ukronazi attack might happen anytime but where it also might not. That is the inevitable consequence of having evil, weak and insecure psychopaths in charge of an entire country.
Yesterday a rumor was started indicating that the Novorussians were planning to organize a referendum to join Russia. I still don’t know if that rumor is based in reality or not, but I will note that this kind of rumor could also serve as a perfect pretext for a Ukronazi attack.
It is clear to me that something has to give, probably soon. The Ukrainian economy is dead, the stocks of basic goods and energy for next winter are empty, the country is in ruins and social tensions are on the raise everywhere. I personally cannot image that regime change could happen in Kiev before at least one more attack on Novorussia. The junta really has nothing left to lose and by massing a large attack force, regardless of how ill prepared this force is, and at least the theoretical such an attack could possibility draw Russia in and, thereby, save the Ukronazi junta in Kiev.
Nobody in Kiev is seriously thinking that they can occupy Donetsk or Lugansk or pacify the Donbass. Everybody is pretending otherwise, but that ain’t happening. Everybody in Kiev is fully aware of the fact that the Donbass is lost forever. So I will repeat this again: the real purpose of an attack will not be to ‘reconquer’ Novorussia, it will be to draw Russia into the Donbass. How?
Well, in theory, if the junta can launch enough men and armor to overwhelm the Novorussian defenses and if these forces succeed in surrounding Donetsk and Lugansk, Russia will really have no other option than to intervene. Of course, the Russians will easily defeat the Ukronazi forces, in 24 hours or less, but at that point the Nazi regime in Kiev will be saved: it will be able to declare full mobilization, blame every difficulty in Russia, crush any resistance with even more brutality than before and politically force all the US allies to provide aid to the regime in Kiev. The regime itself, by the way, would be safe as, contrary to the hopes of many, the Russians will not push much beyond the current line of contact. At most they will liberate Mariupol and or Slaviansk/Kramatrosk as a “penalty” for the Ukronazi attack. The junta in Kiev will remain safe, at least from the Russians.
The real danger for the junta does not come from the Russian military, but from the disillusioned and impoverished Ukrainian people with whom the regime will remain “one on one” unless the Russians intervene. And as long as this situation will remain like this, a Ukronazi attack will possibly at any moment. Starting right now.
The Saker
Have these morons never read a history book?
The Ukies and NATO are ignoring after-battle reports of this entire conflict.
What would lead them to think ‘this time’ will be different?
Someone light the fuse and get this over.
Its like in any fight.The opponent thinks “this time,I’ll win”.Sometimes they do,usually they don’t.But for them,they convince themselves “this is that time to win for me”.No fighter (real fighter) goes into a fight thinking they’ll lose.The Ukie high-command must have convinced enough of their forces this is their time to win.On paper it does look good for them.But its a “fighter’s heart” that most times decides a fight.We’ll see if they have that,I doubt it.The time I’d be looking at is August 24th or September 3rd for the Ukie offensive (so 8-23 to 9-4-2016 most likely).
You make it sound like the US wants Kiev to win. The actual goal may be to break relations between Russia and Germany. So all that is required is hysterical news reports for weeks that Russia has invaded. It doesn’t really matter how or why, just so long as Russia becomes the new Hitler.
What does it matter to THEM??? They are not doing the fighting, they could care less, as is so apparent till now. And, the USG is behind them, ordering them too; besides, there are many mad zombies in Ukraine.
Just remember that the USG will fight to the last Ukrainian, they don’t care if/when Ukrainians get killed – either side.
Then that would be the “ultimate” Russian error.If you are going to sent troops you go “all the way”.Half measures are just that “half measures”.The West will react with sanctions either way.But the liberating of Ukraine totally,would end the junta permanently.Its the case as in poker “go big or stay at home”.Ukraine is not Iraq,and Russia is not the US.The US invaded to “bring democracy” to an alien society that they knew nothing about.And without committed allies among the population.Russia on the other hand would actually be liberating a country that they have known everything about for a thousand years.A people that are ethnically the same as they are.Where they have immense support in many areas.And local military and political allies with a lot of strength.Their intention would be to bring to that country what the majority want.A new government that will bring peace and stability to the nation and cleanse it of fascism,and then withdraw,leaving it a federal Ukraine,under a Ukrainian government.
The West no matter what, will try to punish Russia.They punish Russia if she does nothing.They punish Russia if she does something.Its better to be punished for doing something.And have at least an accomplishment,than to be punished for doing nothing and have an endless problem on your border.Ready to blow up at any moment.Leaving the security of Crimea and all Western Russia at risk.As well as let a mortal danger to millions of ethnic and pro-Russian Ukrainians remain in place.
Do you really believe Russia has the energy to occupy all of Ukraine and support a new government, while enduring the full-might of USA/EU sanctions and constant civil unrest and a USA fueled nazi insurgency?
No doubt Russia can smash the UAF and the nazi volunteers in a few days, but then comes the hard part.
The only choice Russia has is to fight and win,or kneel to the West.They will need to find the energy to,or get the knee-pads ready.As I said the West will punish Russia either way.At least by liberating Ukraine and helping set up a decent non-fascist government they will eliminate one huge problem.And once the World (the real World community,not the West) sees how most Ukrainians are happy to see the junta gone (and the evidence in the Kiev archives of the Western backed coup is fully exposed) the World community will side with Russia.We are coming to a turning point in history.Either Russia and all the World is enslaved to the West.Or Russia and the World fight back and save themselves.
Occupy?
Are you aware of what you’re talking about?
It’s not the US in Iraq.
Russia will not occupy Ukraine, but bring, this time really, freedom.
If the Ukrainians are so stupid to refuse to reunite with the Motherland, well…
If holding truths to be self-evident and what you see is what you getism is suspended, perhaps the link will be of interest.
http://nsnbc.me/2015/08/21/moscow-warns-kiev-against-military-solution-in-ukraine/
Niqnaq is quoting Basurin as having said:
(redacted) You don’t need to promote the niqnaq spammer, who incidentally has been long persona non grata here, due to being a disinfo troll, to post the info. You could have posted a link to the info the niqnaq spammer referenced. The actual source. But you didn’t, and chose to promote niqnaq instead. Mod ME
I fully agree with that mod decision.
The Saker
Excellent commentary.
So I will repeat this again: the real purpose of an attack will not be to ‘reconquer’ Novorussia, it will be to draw Russia into the Donbass. How?
Well, in theory, if the junta can launch enough men and armor to overwhelm the Novorussian defenses and if these forces succeed in surrounding Donetsk and Lugansk, Russia will really have no other option than to intervene. Of course, the Russians will easily defeat the Ukronazi forces, in 24 hours or less, but at that point the Nazi regime in Kiev will be saved: it will be able to declare full mobilization, blame every difficulty in Russia, crush any resistance with even more brutality than before and politically force all the US allies to provide aid to the regime in Kiev. The regime itself, by the way, would be safe as, contrary to the hopes of many, the Russians will not push much beyond the current line of contact. At most they will liberate Mariupol and or Slaviansk/Kramatrosk as a “penalty” for the Ukronazi attack. The junta in Kiev will remain safe, at least from the Russians.
I don’t think the ZPC/NWO ever intended their aggressions to be serious conquest attempts. The planning always looked as if amateurs formulated it. The idea has been to draw Russian in, not conquest the breakaway region. The goal being to use that, like the sods did in the 80’s over Afghanistan Israeli-American ops during the 1980s. It worked then to isolate the USSR and weaken the country internally.
The “people” (in reality, things, they are not human any more) the ZPC/NWO oligarchs favour as their underlings are not brilliant thinkers, but team players. Those who know how to please massa and get what massa wants. These are not original thinkers, they are the worst sort of herd animals. This is reflected in their operations. They rarely come up with something new, but instead build upon previous ops, and continue to use aspects deemed successful in the past.
IE: they tweak their planning incrementally to try and adapt their set templates to different situations. This is due to all involved not being “radical thinkers”, but instead, more akin to the “prison bitch” mentality of adapting and sucking up to massa. Safe employees pretty much guaranteed to carry out their assigned policies who wont question their role, whom massa absolutely need now running the basics for them.
Those who question are too much a threat of being “whistle blowers”.
or …. total collapse of the ukrainian state despite any and all ukie us nato fantasies
“The planning always looked as if amateurs formulated it.”
Perhaps you are conflating planning with wishing?
If wishing, what is the “formulation” of wishing – whether conscious or unconscious would such not likely be hologram projection?
Does “formulation” take place outside context including notions of sole agency?
As to amateurs, given present context was/is there any alterative?
You’ve heard from the best; now it’s time for the rest!
Here’s Ben F. aka Bennie Hill I’ve named him, on the Tianjin China port city event AUG 11:
Clearly the attack was also linked to ongoing negotiations between East and West over the future of the global political, economic and financial infrastructure. Pope Francis is trying to place himself as a peace-maker and intermediary in this ongoing power struggle/negotiation between East and West, according to P2 freemason sources.
http://www.ascensionwithearth.com/2015/08/benjamin-fulford-special-report.html
(He should also change his pic–he looks like a used car salesman .)
You could also say, “Launch-ready nuclear weapons? Yes! So what else is new?”.
The possibility of direct military conflict between the two nations that possess them, via Ukraine.
You should not refer to them as “the Ukrainians”, “Ukraine” or “the Ukrainian Government”. This only legitimizes the regime and makes it seem like “the Ukrainian people” are running things which they are not. The current regime was handpicked by representatives of foreign governments and is lead by Zionist Jews. They are no more “Ukrainian” than Victoria Nuland is “American”. We have to learn from their propaganda techniques and turn them against them. All of the techniques they’ve used to demonise the Libyan/Syrian governments can be used against them in Ukraine. An evil dictatorship, backed by foreign governments, using fighter jets and artillery to massacre its own people and crush pro-democracy protests. Regime-backed thugs attacking and burning alive peaceful protestors who dared to speak out against the dictatorship.
We need to learn from their techniques and use them against them. We can use them more effectively since unlike their horror stories of peaceful protestors being massacred in Libya and Syria, our stories about Ukraine are actually true. The truth is on our side. The only advantage the enemy has is crude brainwashing techniques honed over decades of practice which work on the weak-minded. I would recommend anyone who wants to understand how this works to read the hasbara handbook. It’s all about making emotional associations rather then rational arguments based on facts.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/53789685/Hasbara-Handbook-Promoting-Israel-on-Campus
I think the Russian Airborne goes in and secures Mariupol. Defeated there, the Ukies flank against Donetsk is open for the militia to attack, surround and destroy. That leaves Donetsk free to advance and encircle along the attack lines facing them.
If they want Slavyansk, they can roll north, following the panicked Ukies retreating.
Mariupol should not be an afterthought. It should be the primary Russian target in response to an the next offensive. Take it with elite troops. Create a false flag event, shelling into Russia if necessary. Sabotage of a small vessel if necessary. Even a false flag event toward Crimea. Whatever it takes.
Once Mariupol falls, the Ukies will crumble all the way along the contact line. The momentum of the militia will be powerful.
Use all the dirty tricks of the West and Israel and get this damn war over.
Victory. There is no substitute.
“Victory.”
How do you define victory?
Defeat and destruction of your enemy. End of threat. Subjugation of opposing forces. Extinguishment of opposition’s operational capability.
(Why are the most doltish queries spawned by Anonymous?)
It is a good philosophical question and even the most briliant minds that ever lived had to struggle to answers it properly. “Defeat and destruction of your enemy” is just a simple minded proposition that has no real meaning. Well it has some meaning in a tactical sense but on a deeper or strategic level the only answer is that “there is no victory”. You can not win anything. You can not lose anything. Victory is an illusion you got something you didn’t have before. But as the time will go on you will lose that thing anyway. Anything that can be lost will be lost. Your idea of victory is therefore only a weak and unsucessfull atempt to hide that truth in dimension of *time*. The true idea of victory lies in realization of the previous fact and in the following one: you don’t need anything and you never have needed anything. That is why renunciation in religion. If that is not possible then the only victory lies in death.
Ask Germany about defeat and victory. 70 years and counting for them to regain their sovereignty. They are still under the boot of the US.
Japan? How have they been doing? They are the most hated and reviled Asian government. Only their usefulness to the Hegemon allows them some room to operate as a traditional nation.
The US got more than something from victory. They prospered and stole wealth from most nations on the globe after WWII Victory. They gained hegemonic control for 70 years.
You like to pursue semantic rubics cube gibberish.
Ignoring history is a deadly fools notion.
But have at it.
Well, whatever “victory” may be, that religious gumbo most definitely ain’t it. Denying the existence of something does not define it. And when there’s a dude with a rifle aiming to kill your family, doing some serene meditation while they do the job does not strike me as particularly victorious. This is superficial, shallow bafflegab. You wouldn’t catch real philosophers puling around like this.
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that is a good comment
“It is a good philosophical question and even the most brilliant minds that ever lived had to struggle to answers it properly.”
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Default positions and prejudgements are often vectors of transcendence.
Pollination is achieved on transmission; however some attempt to limit pollination through notions of “ownership” of flowers, and/or limiting options of reception.
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“Anonymous on August 15, 2015 · at 12:24 pm UTC
Some respect oaths and professional standards.
Some understand that Brennan’s restructuring re-affirms and reinforces practices towards the unspeakable.
Some understand that reliance on chutzpah and self-delusion is unsustainable.
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Anonymous on August 17, 2015 · at 6:52 am UTC
“Some understand that reliance on chutzpah and self-delusion is unsustainable.”
The requirement is not nationalism, but rationalism.”
As Bill Clinton explained:
“It depends on what the meaning of the word ‘is’ is
And thus you know what sort of poster asked the question you replied to.
Real semiotics and philosophy is something else entirely.
“Real semiotics and philosophy is something else entirely.”
The definition of “victory” has practical strategic implication and use, although complex as one correspondent realises.
Perhaps holding that purpose is a function of evaluation, rather than evaluation is a function of purpose within a laterally dynamic system, leads some to the assertion that:
“Real semiotics and philosophy is (possibly the plural -are- is more appropriate- unless semiotics is a sub-set of philosophy) something else entirely.
“Real”
The assertion of realness may also tend not only to preclude notions of dynamic development of thought, even within a linear paradigm, but illustrate a certainty that can be easily disproven using historical data.
I’m not going to play that silly game.
It’s not actually a stupid question. I would argue that the single greatest reason the United States has had so many military failures over the last decade or more is precisely a failure to seriously consider that question (along with the related question raised by your answer, “Who is ‘your enemy’?”).
Take the current situation for the good guys in the Donbass. Will “victory” be secured by defeating the attacking Kiev army and killing every single human in it? Well, no, because the regime would still exist and such a brutal slaughter would enrage the actual ordinary Ukrainian citizens; attitudes would harden and continuing war would be more likely.
Will “victory” be secured by killing all the current Junta leaders? Well, no, because there are always more willing to step into their place, and the US will keep on backing ones who want to continue the war.
Will “victory” be secured by advancing into the rest of Ukraine and occupying it, overthrowing the Junta and preventing the rise of a new one? I doubt it, because the Donbass military isn’t capable of such an occupation, it would fan resentment by the Ukrainian citizens, and the massive economic troubles of currently Kiev-held territory would now be the Donbass’ problem to (fail to) solve.
Genuine victory requires regime change in Kiev, to a regime not disposed towards war, brought about in such a way that the Ukrainian citizenry does not see the Donbass as the villains.
Measures we normally see as military can help bring this about, and military victories can be useful in the process, but what we might normally see as a complete victory probably wouldn’t actually help.
Victory is defined when planning an operation, or a war. It may be to take out a tank, capture or hold an area, reduce the enemies capabilities to specified levels, eliminate an enemy, bring an enemy to an enforceable treaty or peace, or whatever — as the leaders define it.
In general, this term as most every other, refers to a radial category, but when one wants to sit down and looks for a chair it’s silly to argue whether a box, or a rock, or a stool is really a chair: it’s a question if function and attaining some level of satisfaction. No one says a chair — or a victory — must be permanent into eternity or meet all possible definitions or notions. Words are just tools, not gods.
“Genuine victory” may simply be eliminating all Ukrop heavy weapons within 20 miles of the ‘border’, if that’s the goal of the operation. Victory cannot be equated with perfection, but in this victory can likely be thought of as Donbad being able to live peacefully without a significant threat of attack — whether there are Nazis left in Kiev or not. Functional definition.
“Functional definition.”
Thank you for a further illustration of your immersion in the opponents’ ideology and practices.
I would draw your attention to Mr. Rove and his contention that “we define reality” and the consequences of the ideology and practices derived therefrom as outlined above by other correspondents including “Purple Library Guy”.
Blue’s piecemeal approach to victory has its serious limitations. If you haven’t got a strategic idea of what “victory” you are trying to achieve, and don’t with fair success incorporate pushing towards that idea in your individual engagements, your tactical victories are likely to have little meaning.
For instance, typically I would say trying to maximize enemy casualties is, while not always a key objective, pretty much a good thing. He who fights and runs away, will live to fight another day; every one you don’t wax now will be in your hair later, and if the enemy runs out of guys that’s a big help in the “victory” department.
But say your strategic plan involves a political victory, in which you destabilize a fascist regime with the help of a populace that ends up hating the regime far more than their designated enemy (you). Say you’re aware that “enemy” troops are drafted, have low morale, and, coming from what used to be part of the same country, are mostly not fundamentally hostile. Say you’re aware draft-dodging has become an art form on the other side. Well, then your best tactical approach might well be to try to break enemy formations and get ’em running, because once an “enemy” soldier is out of sight of his commanders he is quite likely to desert, at which point he’s better for you than a dead man: He’s a de facto dissident, a little nucleus of regime destabilization, with a gun.
So the strategic definition of “victory” can significantly shift the optimum tactical approach.
Compare with designing a computer system, with high level schema, broken down into various programs, divided into functional ‘black box’ modules, all running in low level machine code. The specifications at any level are defined for the pieces at that level, but specs for some module does not mean there is no overall high level schema and purpose defined.
If looking at a normalized relational database then each record (table) has a unique key and a simple structure, and yet virtual hierarchical data bases can be formed, comprised of the various tables.
There are a number of different ways to model a system — computer or not — but the functions need to be defined at the level of the components. ‘Victory’ at each level is defined at that level, according to requirements assigned to those components. Piecemeal and low level is built into a model with any complexity, and a squad level commander does not need to understand overall political policy to get his job done. It helps to understand the concepts of black box analysis and modularity.
Maximizing enemy casualties may make achieving the political goals later much harder. Suppose you have a flying saucer that goes around destroying all artillery and heavy weapons while not killing anyone? (or, more realistically, just have the ability to cut all supply lines and eliminate ammunition)? That will achieve ‘victory’ and lasting peace much better than killing soldiers.
There are tactical, operational and strategic levels involved, similar to how any system is modeled with different levels (of abstraction).
In programming to you do both top down and bottom up — and sometimes work from a middle level. Understanding the entire system includes being able to work on the level you want, in the model you choose.
Congratulations on another IP address change, Niall. Mod ME
” I would argue that the single greatest reason the United States has had so many military failures over the last decade or more is precisely a failure to seriously consider that question (along with the related question raised by your answer, “Who is ‘your enemy’?”).”
Perhaps you are not paying due regard to Clauswitz and therby assigning greater agency to the “United States” whilst obfuscating the agency ot their opponents?
He is playing the oldest hasbara game.Get people distracted on a word,or flip the conversation to defining meanings to take the conversation away from its purpose.Its an old lawyers ,and psych war trick.And since the Zionist supporters (Jewish Zionists and Christian Zionists combined) dominate the law and psychological warfare professions they have ample practice with playing those games.I’ve run up against that trick many times in debates on Palestine.We need to not get stuck playing those games with them.
Yes — dismiss it.
Although I’ve also seen from people with borderline personality disorder — one guy with narcissism in particular wasted a lot of time and electrons on a message board. It wasn’t hasbara, just nuttiness. Or it could be just plain old trolling.
If you search on ‘lateral transcendence’, BTW, you find the source material filled with much of the same stuff.
Practicing Zen, along with reading Korzybski, makes for a good immunization and antidote, to this sort of stuff and propaganda in general, including Turd Blossom’s nonsense.
Did you see
http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/08/the-real-reason-behind-kievs-coming.html
The real reason behind Kiev’s coming offensive is to plunge Russia into economic crisis
It’s a bit strange, and is another example of assigning almost magical power to the chantings of MSM and US diplomats (see what magical-thinking Kirby had to say).
Mariupol is also a key part of Ukrainian military-industrial complex.
Your comment..@Red Ryder
The Kyiv Post (re-printed by RI) has already tried the ‘false flag’ routine about Mariupol.
Claims the Kyiv-controlled city was subjected to shelling by the ‘rebels’ , while some residents believe the attack came from the UAF – strenuously denied of course.
The UAF spokesperson was suitably ‘shocked’ ‘ by the idea – while failing to see the irony of well-known attacks on Donetsk, Shirokino etc infrastructure/housing/hospitals by the UAF providing plenty of ‘form’ for the residents suspicions, as Kiev claims ‘unity’ and ‘territorial integrity.’ Not to mention blockades and sanctions against a people they claim are part of the Ukraine.
I only hope the Mariupol folk are generally as aware as the Donetsk folk.
PS Does anyone have any views on where Odessa fits in to a
all of this?
The Ukie’s themselves bemoan the fact that 80%+ of the people in Mariupol support the NAF.I don’t know the figures in Odessa but I figure by now they can’t be less than 50/50 for our side.
They definitely will retake the Slavyansk area.. it is like the USPS retirement system, but all in one big pile. (F*@k, you can see it on google maps).
Ok, and if the airborne assault fails what then?
An excellent article about this situation was posted on Fort Russ.A couple of most heartening passages.Which if a good prediction seem to echo my point posted earlier:
SP: Will the soldiers of the people’s republics repel an offensive?
– Ukraine will suffer another defeat. And it’s not about moving the front line 30 kilometers. We are talking about the annihilation of a significant part of Ukrainian troops and reserves. This is vital for the People’s Republic. Then the war will go beyond Donbass and spread to the territory of historic Novorossia. I think that the self-defense forces and DPR and LPR have enough to destroy the enemy.
SP: It won’t turn out that, after Minsk-2, there will be a Minsk-3?
– It will be a very bad “anecdote.” Minsk-2 was signed with much difficulty. Russian President Vladimir Putin had to use all his authority to persuade the leaders of the People’s Republics to sign the agreement.
The people of Donbass will neither bear nor accept a Minsk-3. Such arrangements would mean the beginning of the end for the authorities in Donetsk and Lugansk, as the people’s patience is running out. If Zakharchenko and Plotnitsky will want a Minsk-3, then more resolute people will come to power in DPR and LPR.
The Minsk agreement was signed in February thanks to the authority of Putin. The new agreement will affect his reputation not only in Donbass region, but also in Russia. So something like a “Minsk-3” is unlikely.
http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/08/is-donbass-on-verge-of-new-offensive.html
Uncle Bob,
Thanks for the Fort Russ link.
Minsk 2– legally speaking– is perfect. It obligated Kiev to take certain steps to achieve the peace, every one of which they have violated. It gave Novorossiya the legal basis of controlling their border with Russia, until such steps are performed (Never).
Conforming to Minsk 2 has become the source of legitimacy even in the Western press. Of course US govt & Western media still lie about who’s violating it, but that’s to be expected. There is no reason for a Minsk 3. Minsk 2 has done exactly what it was intended to do:
1. Establish the mandated means for creating peace, and have it affirmed by the UN.
2. The thorough violation of the agreement may even supply the basis for Russian peacekeepers.
Much has been written about the failure of Minsk 2 to stop the fighting, but no one expected it to, unless the Germans & French awoke more fully to their danger under under US vassalage. In addition to establishing the only legitimate path to peace it bought time.
common law; one can not benefit from a crime. The ATO is a criminal act and thus freezes all law (the Rada should just tale a holiday, but now their favorite place is part of Russia) until resolved. Anything other than Minsk is a criminal act, unless it is in defense
Putin had to operate under the still valid Ukraine – Russia Friendship Agreement, but with a touch of what NATO applied to Serbia as of Kosovo. Mind you, that the Friendship Agreement has a time limit and it is due to expire (, note; that it is not a permanent agreement).
What’s even more conspicuous about today’s Kosher Ukronazis, as opposed to their more authentic forerunners, is their indifference — actually total nihilism — with regard to their proud Ukro society’s prospects for the future. Utter scum too stupid to realize their own worthlessness; at least as long as Soros and the tribe provide the money. Will be great fun to watch these proud white lowlives as their beloved EU starts settling hapless Third World immigrants and refugees on Banderite soil. To say nothing of the reactions of these Asians and Africans while watching their “compatriots” of jumping, drooling, and panting Maidan monkeys in action.
Ukros — even more screwed up than Syriza’s electorate in Greece. But enjoying it like nobody else does.
Although Tsipras has weakened Syriza considerably by selling out, I don´t see any reason to blame the Greeks voting for them!
Of course Greece isn’t Ukraine. Even the Greek Nazis (Golden Dawn) wouldn’t have anything to do with the Ukro-trash. Fascists in the West and in the East have very different priorities.
But what clearly unites Syriza — its leadership as well as its adherents — and the Ukro-trash is the die-hard commitment to ‘European values’. Hence, both Syriza and the Banderites got exactly what the Eurocrats had in store for them. The desire to partake in joint First World parasitic appropriation of the Earth’s resources and labour output is the same in both cases.
“Even the Greek Nazis (Golden Dawn) wouldn’t have anything to do with the Ukro-trash.”
That the western nationalists supported Russia over the Ukies, is one clear victory against the puppetmasters on the propaganda front.
Even the frigging Swedes were in on it, as the controlled opposition Nazis there, supported the Ukraine.
Most pro-whites are not Nazis, they just don’t want to become a hated white minority in their own countries, so supporting the Ukraine, when Russia is the only country standing up to the genociding globalists, is out of the question.
It’s no mystery what happened, as the Multicult ruling the West, had bought their own propaganda about us being a bunch of fanatical Nazis. For us that trafficked pro-white websites, it was kind of funny how shocked the shills were, when they rather than blend in with Hitler worshippers, found themselves being called cucks and traitors.
They were armed with facts on how evil and dangerous Russia were, but were totally unarmed against arguments that if Russia folded into the Multicult, all white people would end up minorities in their own countries at best, and outright genocided once powerless, at worst, since non-white immigration and anti-racism, are the holy dogmas of the Multicult.
When this happened, the Russian shills went missing. When they later came back, they mocked nationalists for being cucks, unless they were pro-white, like the rest of us. My first guess was that they just spoke “our” language to just get pro-whites more pro-Russian, and that a lot of Russians were just pro-whites like us.
I’m no longer sure though, and that it might be a change in Russian propaganda strategy in order to get on the offensive on the West being the evil ones, we are witnessing?
From Russia Today:
EU ‘wiping out’ original population in favor of migrants
The EU is deliberately bringing in as much immigration into Europe as possible in an effort to ‘divide and conquer’ the original inhabitants of Europe, political commentator David Noakes told RT….
http://www.rt.com/op-edge/311647-migrants-eu-policy-uk/
Very well..,very well said….
their movements are to illicit a responce to which unknowns will be known by their spies on the ground including osce
** See also:
Source: Poroshenko is planning an operation to destroy DPR and
LPR with NATO support
August 20, 2015
http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/FortRuss/~3/jvIyzv0s8a8/source-poroshenko-is-planning-operation.html
** the real purpose of an attack/RUSSIA…
With October/November in sight the Dutch Safety Board’s
rendez-vous with *Rhodus*, or MH17 hic salta style can’t be
deferred further. Some major *help* (read: dynamics unfolding)
will be needed to deflect the scandal, reinvigorate the hoax
respectively.
[T]he armed forces of the Russian Federation will not intervene,
since a direct clash with NATO […]^1
It remains to be seen:
[f]alse flag with chemical weapons or depleted uranium, etc.[…]^1
= GAME CHANGER
1.
http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/FortRuss/~3/jvIyzv0s8a8/source-poroshenko-is-planning-operation.html
***
Notice that Ukraine DOESN’T/NEVER WILL [going from bad to worse]
fulfill the *minimum requirements for NATO membership*, sticking
here with just the formalism of that membership [google] and
ignoring anything beyond it.
Ukraine is therefore CLEARLY used as a hostage to be tormented
publicly in order to elicit reactions; think beheading of the
[borrowing from Roland Barthes:] second-order.
Which implies: they [NATO] are mad for Russia bouncing back in
order to depict any cannon fodder as the victims, Ukraine being
spendable anyway.
See:
Le Onzième stratagème : sacrifier le prunier pour sauver le
pêcher.
Quand la situation ne permet pas de garder toutes ses cartes en
main, il faut savoir quels atouts garder et de quelles cartes il
faut se défausser.
Also read:
“Quiet Americans” in Kiev
20 Aug 2015
http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/official_texts_24733.htm
The US has established bioweapons labs around the borders of Russia. The reasons are thought to include exploitation of lax regulations relating to bioweapons research. There are two in Ukraine; one in Odessa and the other south west of Kiev. These are believed to carry out research into Ebola in class 3 rather than class 4 laboratories. It would be easy for a “mistake” to occur in one of these labs allowing for the release of whatever pathogens they store. The resultant panic would inevitably be blamed on Russia.
Unless they are plotting a WW3,I’m not too concerned with that.Can you imagine what Russia would do to them if they released biological weapons against Russia.I figure a full nuclear assault on the US would be the result.
“think beheading of the
[borrowing from Roland Barthes:] second-order.
Which implies: they [NATO] are mad for Russia bouncing back in
order to depict any cannon fodder as the victims, Ukraine being
spendable anyway.
See:
Le Onzième stratagème : sacrifier le prunier pour sauver le
pêcher.
Quand la situation ne permet pas de garder toutes ses cartes en
main, il faut savoir quels atouts garder et de quelles cartes il
faut se défausser.”
Consideration of the conserations of M. Barthes would not be remiss, but the eleventh stratagem is a linear construct of “game theory”, which M. Barthes would likely hold to be unduly inhibiting.
Les 36 Stratagèmes
Traité secret de stratégie chinoise
Stratagèmes des batailles indécises
#11
Commentaire
Les deux camps aux prises dans un conflit ont chacun leurs atouts
et chacun leurs faiblesses []
C’est ainsi que Sun Bin fit triompher Tian Ji en trois courses.
Le général Tian Ji aimait les courses mais ses équipages étaient
tous plus mauvais que ceux de ses adversaires.
Sun Bin lui dit: Pariez, je me fais fort de vous obtenir la
victoire.
Or les compétitions se livraient en trois courses: la première
pour les chevaux les meilleurs; la seconde pour les chevaux
moyens; la dernière pour les plus mauvais chevaux.
Avant le départ de la première course, Sun Bin dit à Tian Ji
d’engager son plus mauvais équipage contre les meilleurs chevaux
des équipes concurrentes. À la deuxième course, le meilleur
équipage de Tian Ji courut contre les chevaux de seconde
catégorie de ses adversaires, et à la dernière course, il fit
courir ses chevaux moyens contre leurs plus mauvais chevaux.
Ainsi, sur trois courses, il en perdit une mais en gagna aisément
deux et remporta anis l’enjeu du pari. Ceci est une ruse de vrai
stratège professionnel. Il est fort difficile a ceux qui
n’appartiennes pas au métier de le détecter.
** Barthes
You may study the “signifier/signified/sign” paradigm
A second order language [a *myth* in the classical
interpretation], or a *metalanguage* [more in general], acts on a
first order language, generating meaning out of already existent
meaning.
“Les 36 Stratagèmes
Traité secret de stratégie chinoise
Stratagèmes des batailles indécises”
Given the subject matter your confidence in materials available in the public domain may be misguided.
However as the saying goes in a representative democracy everyone is entitled to his/her opinion, especially if they cannot implement it.
[Wiki] Works in the public domain…
are those whose intellectual property rights have expired, have
been forfeited, or are inapplicable.
Examples include the works of Shakespeare and Beethoven, most of
the early silent films, the formulae of Newtonian physics,
Serpent encryption algorithm and powered flight.
Etc.
“[Wiki] Works in the public domain…
are those whose intellectual property rights have expired, have
been forfeited, or are inapplicable.”
This definition of public domain is based on notions of “property rights” and hence is an illustration of ideological immersion.
A lateral definition of public domain is place of access i.e. publicly available rather than from original research from a non-public accessible place.
Your perception of and resort to “authorities” is also illuminating in regards to ideological immersion, facilitating displacement of and limiting resort to testing hypotheses.
In broad orientation the opponents wish others to believe and emote, where as some attempt to catalyse lateral change in perception and practice.
Transcendence requires a Socratic approach, not a messianic one.
Stratagem XI
You may also read
Stephen Cohen: Kiev’s Renewed Assault on Donbass Could Trigger
US-Russian War
http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/kievs-renewed-assault-donbass-trigger-us-russian-war/ri9334
“Third possibility”
The German High Court has ordered the German Foregin Ministry to declassify and release a report it received before the MH17 incident detailing the dangers of flying over Eastern Ukraine.
> German High Court
Expect zero, unsurprisingly; it will say something along: using
flight levels below the one MH17 was actually using were
prohibited—which is no news at all. Don’t forget that:
an Air India flight was only 90 seconds away when missile struck
Malaysia
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Air-India-flight-was-90-seconds-away-when-missile-struck-Malaysia-Airlines-Flight-MH17/articleshow/38702536.cms
I think the only analysis which counts now is, essentially, military or raw power — not propaganda.
The necessity if Ukros attacks is to beat the hell out them and leave them with nothing left to be threat in the foreseeable future, whether that take direct Russian intervention or not.
If NATO gets militarily involved then it ill be necessary to beat them off and down too, doing whatever it takes. If nukes are used, then it’s too bad but there would have been no way out in any case (and byebye to everyone until the next configuration of reality if there is one).
When that’s done, then Russia, if directly involved, can go home and leave the cleanup to Donbas and the human beings in Ukraine.
This is not real politick but real existence, and there is no way of avoiding it. If the crazies are hell bent on blowing up Ukraine, or the world, well… I’ve warned for years that they should be stopped before it was too late and maybe now it is too late (and maybe for the environment too). If the ‘good guys’ decide to lay down and let the monsters take over, then the end will still come, but it’ll be a lot nastier for a lot of people.
But it’s not a question of giving US/NATO/empire an excuse to get involved — they are already involved, and how much more they do so is up to them, not Russia or Donbas. This is crisis — a point of no return — we either survive or we don’t but there is no easy or sneaky way to get around it — no games left to play. If lunatic empire doesn’t back down then either they are defeated, or humanity is. There’s no way back — only forward to whatever comes, and how that works out depends on not pretending ‘it’ isn’t here.
“they are already involved, and how much more they do so is up to them, not Russia or Donbas. ”
It would appear despite studies by Clauswitz and others you seek to assign sole agency.
This is another example of immersion in the opponents’ assertions which facilitates lateral challenge by some and the experience of surprises or “unintended consequences” by others.
“military or raw power — not propaganda. ”
You appear to fail to perceive other possibilities.
Is this a function of your formulation?
Thank you for your aid in amplifying the following broadcasts:
““It is a good philosophical question and even the most brilliant minds that ever lived had to struggle to answers it properly.”
A solitary flower is a marker of pollination; incidence, mode and vehemence of response often markers of insecurity.
Default positions and prejudgements are often vectors of transcendence.
Pollination is achieved on transmission; however some attempt to limit pollination through notions of “ownership” of flowers.
“Anonymous on August 15, 2015 · at 12:24 pm UTC
Some respect oaths and professional standards.
Some understand that Brennan’s restructuring re-affirms and reinforces practices towards the unspeakable.
Some understand that reliance on chutzpah and self-delusion is unsustainable.
Reply
Anonymous on August 17, 2015 · at 6:52 am UTC
“Some understand that reliance on chutzpah and self-delusion is unsustainable.”
The requirement is not nationalism, but rationalism.” “
Or, of course, they could be bluffing.
Their most recent combat readiness survey was a disaster, finding that whole battalions were preparing to desert en masse.
They sold most of last year’s tank production to Nigeria (business is business) and have put so much pressure on the workforces (triple shifts) that everything produced in the tank factories can be expected to resemble Ford’s and GE’s “Monday morning cars.”
Ukraine have no tank production line since the beginning of the 90s. Everything was sold/stolen/ destroyed. They can’t produce new tank/bmp like Russia. They can only fix old tanks from their main and reserve forces and sold them, like Poland, Hungary etc.
They can still produce new trucks and cars.
OT…greek PM steps down…I guess he did his job…
http://www.rt.com/news/312922-greece-snap-election-call/
Did his job all right! Almost beautiful this accomplishment of his: Hold a referendum and then reward the electorate by imposing an even more brutal Eurocrat diktat — after all, the original — rejected — diktat wasn’t Implemented, right?
I think the Eurocrats should offer Tsipras the very same job in Banderastan. Ukros do seem to appreciate foreigners ruling over them and, secondly, don’t care about this nonsense about “EU without austerity”. Ukros will ecstatically approve of whatever Tsipras will be ordered to pass down to his buggered Ukro subjects. No need to stage any silly referenda whatsoever.
re: “The real danger for the junta does not come from the Russian military, but from the disillusioned and impoverished Ukrainian people”
Then the junta is probably safe for years. Impoverished people almost never get rid of a government without serious outside help or a civil war in the country’s elites if the existing government is willing to use force. Neither of those conditions exist at the moment. Russia could easily do this, but it would mean a break in relations with the West, and they don’t want to pay that price.
It is certainly possible that we will be having the same discussions a year or two from now. Actually, maybe we are having all the same discussions that we had almost a year ago.
Paul II,
It is indeed astounding to see how much populations everywhere put up with: We are sent to wars we reject, stripped of economic prosperity & of rights, yet so great is the lack of organization that we all do nothing– or at least nothing effective.
It’s yet another argument for why most governmental decisions should be taken locally so that citizens are accustomed to the means for political action. If ever we should succeed in making self-govt possible again.
—
A story that may be worth following is the increase in counterfeit US money circulating in Russia.
US prefers that QE actual currency not be invested herein US so as not to cause price inflation. What better way to prevent its re-entry into the country? Katsonov Valentin wrote an article that touches on this and on the extreme importance of Vanguard corp in Ukraine. Here is the original http://rusvesna.su/recent_opinions/1432640071
and here is the translation http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Frusvesna.su%2Frecent_opinions%2F1432640071&hl=en&langpair=auto|en&tbb=1&ie=utf-8
Yemen has been the target of a brutal U.S.-backed war led by Saudi Arabia. While ordinary civilians are suffering horrific violence and starvation, there is deafening silence from the U.S. and others who claim to be defenders of human rights.
The situation is so bad now that nearly every major global human rights organization has issued dire warnings of the humanitarian catastrophe unfolding in the Persian Gulf’s poorest nation.
Since the Saudi regime began a bombing campaign in March, the situation has deteriorated rapidly as access to food and other aid has been stymied. In response, the United Nations in early July declared a Level 3 humanitarian emergency—the highest level possible. U.N. Envoy Ismail Ould Cheikh Ahmed described Yemen as “one step away from famine.”
Read more here:Why Are We (the west) Ignoring the War on Yemen? http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/why_are_we_ignoring_the_war_on_yemen_20150819
Its quite simple.The US is an ally of the Saudis.The Saudis make deals to help the US all the time.The US is afraid of Iranian influence in Yemen.The Saudis are afraid of Iranian influence in Yemen.So the Saudis hope to stop any Iranian influence there.And the US totally agrees.That is it in a “nutshell”.
Humanitarian catastrophes caused by war are perfectvly fine.. as long as they are committed by America or its “free world” allies like Saudi Arabia!
Ukronazis are the shame of Europe , the are one of the most stupid and evil people of the world . They could have been a golden bridge between the EU and Russia , instead they choosed to be a trench of war with Russia for the benefit of the angloamericans , and for the ruin of Ucraina and of the EU unión Project , which ,with the ucranian war , has shown its real antieuropean face .
With due respect: I think you’re not connecting the dots correctly here. EU represents first and foremost Western European — especially German — monopoly capital. Bellicose, totally reactionary and parasitic imperialism, further infuriated seeing its own rotting edifice and feeling the stiffening resistance mounting from without. To finish off Russia and grab her resources is absolutely crucial for this abominable corporato-kleptocratic “union” to survive. Eastern European lowlives with their inferiority complexes, spinelessness, and manifest retardation overall are precisely what the Eurocrats have been looking for.
Stupid ucranians , do you realize that thanks to your troglodite behavior many southern europeans are beguining to question their permanence in the EU ? in a EU full of blood thirsty assholes such as the baltics , polacks , the germans ( they never will change )…. . In southern Europe we don not want the ukropians in the EU never . ever , and we do not want the polacks , baltics ,rumanians and othes postsoviets in the EU , it was a grave mistake to admit them , they should be expelled from the EU .
¡Que se joda, esta puñetera Unión Europea! Los imbeciles de Europa oriental son sus aficionados bien merecidos.
Some months ago it was admitted in the Western press that Russia could supply Novorossiya with FOUR times the amount of weapons NATO could to kiev.
What we see with the attacks on the DPR/LPR is quite simply an evil mad demon killing whoever it can, regardless of any military objective, and 100% approved by obummer & camoron.
Let’s not forget though also – and I am 100% with/for the Donbass people – that Putin’s first and foremost priority is to protect/look after the Russian people in Russia. Russia has been attacked financially, typically by the City/Wall Street nexus, after all, how else would you explain the hyrnvia as being more than THREE times ‘stronger’ than the rouble??? Only by manipulation of the currencies by the West.
I also think that Putin is playing for time: by end of June it should be radically different in Ukraine – better for the Donbass, much worse for the rest, as people simply won’t be able to pay for their electricity/gas bills, thanks to the West and their man yats:
‘“We’ll start a Maidan against the “Yatsenyuk tariffs.”
“Enough with the talk about ‘Yatsenyuk’s tariffs’ from the talk-show podium. He doesn’t care to hear us. Only a “Tariff Maidan” will stop the Prime Minister, a key role in which must be played by the people of Kiev”, said Kaplan.
“We will build a real Maidan against the tariffs of Yatsenyuk, we will demand his resignation, and, if necessary, re-elections to the Verkhovna Rada. We will not forgive betrayal. There is no place for enemies of the Ukrainian people in parliament and government.”’
Saker, this is quite a bad analysis. No one in the Ukraine in his right mind wants to get the Russians involved, they know very well that would be the end of the song.
“the Nazi regime in Kiev will be saved: it will be able to declare full mobilization, blame every difficulty in Russia, crush any resistance with even more brutality than before and politically force all the US allies to provide aid to the regime in Kiev.”
The regime is already doing this, and I cannot see why it would be more successful in case a real attack happens. I’ve even read reports about Western Ukrainians hoping for a Russian attack, a real one. It’s quite unlikely an attack would unify the Ukrainians.
The real actors are the Americans, the Junta, up to and including Porky, Yats, and Turchinov are just clowns for the show. The Nazi rubble is just that, cannon fodder, together with the Uki army. The US wants to create trouble at the doorstep of the Russians, and they are doing just that. The Ukies knew very well 1,5 years ago that force would just make matters worse, but by that time the US ran the show.
The Russians didn’t want to intervene (except for the Crimea, for the naval base, but that’s a different story). They wanted (and still want) to restore the uneasy status quo ante, and fear that a direct intervention will make an international pariah out of Russia. Even the Puppet Ukraine is acceptable to them (except for the Crimea). But the US didn’t want the Ukraine, that was only a tool to harass the Russians. So the international pariah status with sanctions etc. is on the way, full steam, doesn’t matter what Russia does.
The situation on the front is strongly rassembling WW I circa 1916.
Massed artillery , heavily dug infantry, no airpower to speak of and absolutely no chance for breakthrough.
In the past, the German front was broken using tanks, today the armor is completely nullified by AT weapons.
Even if, by some miracle, the NATO forces managed a breakthrough in a sector(sacrificing a brigade or two in the process) , they will be counterattacked by freshly repainted tanks , thrown back and run away in panic, as they usually do.
I cannot believe that the NATO HQ did not study the Russian elastic defense and assault-breaker theories, or simple watched a documentary about Kursk on YT.
Last week, NATO artillery tried to counter-battery their NR counterparts, and apparently failed, being silenced and disorganised themselves , and probably pushing the offensive back for two weeks at least.
This offensive is obviously not meant to succeed.
This link sounds ominous but a couple of reference checks (and questionable quotes) do not seem to add up to support the key assertion that “Putin Signs “September War” Order Authorizing Nuclear Attack On NATO Forces”.
http://www.thetotalcollapse.com/putin-signs-september-war-order-authorizing-nuclear-attack-on-nato-forces/
On closer inspection it seems likely to be a dis-information effort.
Can anyone confirm whether it is correct or whether it is psyops?
Anytime you see anything that says Russia (Putin) signs a nuclear attack order discard it.It’s pure Western propaganda. He is totally opposed to war.And will do everything he can to stop one.My only worry is that he will betray Russia rather than go to war.Leading to his removal from office and replacement by someone willing to fight to save their country.But to seek a war is totally out of his character.
Come, come, Anonymous. Is this your humor for the day? It says it’s a re-post from another site. And one of the stories on the originating site is. . . “Putin Orders Spacecraft Debris Removed From Iran As Alien Fleet Circles the Earth”
Now you KNOW that’s false, cuz Putin wd let Iran clean up its own spacecraft debris. (Just kidding, what silliness)
meeting:
http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/50156
Dear The Saker,
As many of us have known and you have stated many times, the whole point of the A/Z campaign in Ukraine was to get Russia drawn into a war. Russia knows this.
The Junta is currently bombing non-stop now – trying to get a reaction. The OSCE turns a blind eye. Anytime Chocie boy is going to a meeting to discuss the situation, a massive offensive takes place before or during – Merkel and Hollande must have woken up to this by now? I am sure Putin made it very clear when they last visited Moscow – this is the last time – if you let Chocie and his Nazi’s attack again – you will bear the consequences. The EU has enough problems right now without a war in Ukraine.
As awful as it is, I don’t think Russia will get involved but let the resistance fight (with all the help they can give) the Junta. I am sure they will bring their troops close to the border, if required, and warn the US/EU if things get bloody, but still not go in.
War with Russia is what they desperately need in order to keep their awful economies, exceptionalism and lies going. Russia can’t give this to them.
Rgds,
Veritas
My guess is that there will be offensive in the near future. By continuing to shell the population, the ukies demonstrate the powerlessness of the NAF to do anything about it and the unwillingness of the Kremlin to get involved. Minsk II will have very long life, even though it is dead.
“So we are left with this exhausting and frustrating situation”
Whom do you include in “we”.
It appears you are prone to limit notions of war to things that go bang thereby facilitating strategic myopia.
“Russia will really have no other option than to intervene. ”
How do you define “intervene”.
Subject to definition is it your contention that “intervention” has not been a lateral process throughout?
On what data using which evaluation criteria, method and time horizon do you base “have no other option”?
I’m sorry to say that, but it seems to me that your questioning is totally meaningless. It is like me saying: “The sky is blue” and you ask in return to define what is “blue”. Then I would say : “Blue is the colour between violet and green on the optical spectrum of visible light” and you, once again, would ask to define what is “violet”, what is “green”, what is optical spectrum” and what is “visible light”.
This is how lawyers in the US operate when they’re out of legitimate options, they just start litigating for the sake of litigation that can last a lifetime.
Its also an old hasbara trick.The Zionists use it all the time.Every time I see one of the “anonymous” posters use stratagems like that.I begin to smell a hasbara Zionist or Western loyalist among us.
Yes, often, the goal is also to seed some confusion and create, what is known as “the chaos of mind”. It is a good way to rob a good discussion of any meaning and appear to be concerned while doing it.
That’s ‘lateral anonymous’ you are responding to. He has been scattering this weird stuff all over the blog lately — don’t expect it to make any sense. It’s word salad.
“Word salad” – I like that…with hasbara mayo. Glad to see that you guys have well defined filters against this nonsense.
Anyone that has ever debated about Palestine will understand that trick.The Zionists try it every time to derail the discussion.Its a standard part of hasbara training with them.
‘word salad’ Brilliant
“I’m sorry to say that, but it seems to me that your questioning is totally meaningless.”
A considered amplification was broadcast but one of the receivers were moderated, even possible out of tune.
Apologies.
Perhaps not ‘imminent’, -they tried to attack in the morning of 17 Aug according to opolchenie member with call name Koba, and got disciplined a bit for doing that; there was a stream of news releases, an Ukrainian denial, and a Normandy 4 expert meeting since than.
On the other hand when a dysfunctional regime assembles a large force somewhere, it may have nowhere to go but forward–or else it may cause some troubles back home. Or at least a convincing explanation is needed for going back (and what would they say?)
(Koba link, e.g. http://newstes.ru/2015/08/17/opolchenec-ukry-hoteli-nastupat-no-sluchilsya-konfuz.html )
What’s new this time? When the Ukrops ran their offensive against Novorossia last August, the Israelis exploited the distraction to launch a murderous offensive against Gaza. The Israelis have been stirring things up on the border with Syria, so this time I expect they will run a land grab against Syria whilst “everyone is distracted by Russia’s aggression against Ukraine” aka a Ukrop attack against Novorossia.
Also the US has supplied the Ukrops with at least one military field hospital capable of handling 3000 patients, so they are expecting massive casualties that they want to keep away from normal hospitals and out of the media view.
When the attack does happen, hopefully there will be partisan attacks against Ukrop ammunition dumps and supply routes, along with popular uprisings in Odessa, Mariupol, Kharkov, Rivne, Zakarpattyia etc.
Poroshenko:
“Ukraine will never agree to limit its legal sovereignty over the occupied territories and the current amendments to the Constitution of Ukraine will be the maximum concession on the part of the President.”
“The direct rule of the Constitution has never existed and will never exist. And the reference to the law on special order of the local government in some areas of Donbas is a worthless piece of paper, because you can change it at any time,”
http://www.unian.info/politics/1114164-poroshenko-to-reveal-putins-bluff-in-berlin-source.html
And that is why the Minsk agreement is worthless.Because,as you corrected posted,unless the status (agreed by Donbass) is enshrined unchangeable in the Constitution.It can always be renounced by the junta.
If the prevailing attitude around this blog matches the attitude of the Russian leaders, then the US/NATO invaders and their Ukrainian puppets have the luxury of indefinite amounts of time to calmly and methodically build up the needed hardware, human ware, supply lines etc etc, around the Donbass, until such time as they are in a position to take the seceded territories in one fell swoop…. while continuing their “low intensity” (cough) terror shelling until the area is adequately depopulated. They can those things in the comfortable knowledge that Russia will not intervene because, you know, they may get some important economic sanctions from the angry USA/EU partners and of course that would be a terrible new blow. Or it may give the West a chance to freely increase the production of russophobia, which as we know has been kept at rather low levels until now.
In addition, the US and its puppets must enjoy the feeling that their massing of troops and preparations and constant announcements by the other side that they are about to launch a great offensive, must little by little sap the spirit of the hapless souls being shelled while they await the final onslaught. With the current attitude around here, It’s win-win for them no matter how you cut it.
The attitude has slowly shifted from an initial: Russia will intervene if the carnage and destruction is unacceptable, to an attitude where intervention is all but unthinkable except in the case of attacks on Russian territory. And even then, if its limited to the vicinity of the border, they probably should not respond with any form of intervention, lest it upsets the Americans and company too much.
The partners must not be made upset.
There is this old sarcastic wisdom phrase, calling for caution, that seems appropriate to this situation:
“We know they’re pissing on our face, but we should keep say it’s raining”
Exactly,it is extremely frustrating.And may lead to serious problems in the near future.
I don’t think that accurately reflects the situation, or that war should be entered into lightly or prematurely. Russia and DOnbas are in a better position now than a year ago.
The only thing that bothers me in this whole situation is the false flag. I think it’s clear that Basurin is trying to weaken its force by calling it out in advance, along with the visible UAF battle plan. I’ve said for some time that we live in an age when the ancient military tactic of false flag is beginning to lose its power, but I’ll be the first to offer that the right ploy, executed well, could still have devastating effect.
However, what will be will be, and we shall see.
Saker I think this is a valuable summary of events, not at all a crying wolf thing. Something does seem close. And even if nothing happens, this is not a TV show put on for our benefit. Anyone who can’t stand the tension of the plot development should switch channels.
Intervention by Russia:
The Russians have already intervened. They control the Donbass political and economic development, all officials and the systems that support all activity, military or business (except for crime and banditry).
The Russians Voentorg or North Wind is intervention by stealth.
The Russian military controls the battlefield and the militia actions.
So, for someone to argue the Russians will never intervene is naive at best.
And I offer this as what will happen: The Russian Airborne is built to do exactly the task needed in Ukraine—intervene with agility and stealth, destroy the enemy of Russia and protect Russian interests and assets.
Mariupol is a supreme object in this geopolitical struggle. Airborne will be used by stealth to take it, I venture a guess.
100,500,1000—whatever the planners think is necessary. A dark, moonless night, whisper helos, boats, parachuting from an overflight and hook up with militia will get it done.
I imagine the GRU knows the location of every Ukie commander, the names and cell phones of all SBU and CIA operatives in Mariupol. With boots on the ground, by sunrise Mariupol will be flying a Novorossiya flag.
What everyone fails to keep in mind is that Ukraine is not another country in the mind of Russian officials. Ukraine is another republic that is like a neighboring state in the US. Mariupol is a stone’s throw from Russia. Everyone speaks Russian. Most of the people want to be Russian.
This isn’t intervention. It’s helping a next door neighbor, maybe a cousin or life-long friend to get rid of bully or criminal ruining the neighborhood and endangering the children.
As for the economic burden of Ukraine, the looting by IMF, EU and US has created that descent into self-destruction and military destruction of its most important region. So, the sooner Russia acts to end the madness, the sooner Ukraine can get into the Eurasian development. Ukraine’s location will make it viable, and it will be an agricultural giant eventually when China modernizes that industry sector.
Nazism is the largest problem, not economics. The numbers of True Believers of Bandera and Russophobia is what has to be addressed. To get all those people into social therapy will take generations to break the cult programming that warps their humanity.
“The numbers of True Believers of Bandera and Russophobia is what has to be addressed. To get all those people into social therapy will take generations to break the cult programming that warps their humanity.”
Although a probable component, practice would suggest that that in itself will not be sufficient.
However it appears that fuller understanding is being achieved on the questions of “Whatever happened to Stepan Bandera” and how is victory defined – both being of strategic importance.
It appears to me that the Russian government does not want war , not because of fear of being labeled aggressor, or fear of falling into some kind of NATO trap, or fear of further sanctions or…
Their main idea is to bring back Ukraine, more or less entire, to its geopolitical and ethnic sense with minimum of human, ecological and economic sacrifice. And that precludes war ( too blunt an instrument), economic and financial sanctions. That is the only explanation I have for the seemingly contradictory behavior of Russian government of keeping open all channels to Ukraine government and people. Yet it is absolutely essential that they do. Reminds me of a parent dealing with a mental crisis of its child(ren). Whoever was in such a situation knows how hard and heart-breaking it is, and that the key to healing is maintaining open all channels of communication.
It seems to me that the most likely and healthiest solution will be a counter-coup d’état , done by Ukrainians themselves, regardless of how much it is helped by Russians. This may take the form of civil/partizan uprisings but more likely it is going to be lead by a combination of military and intelligence officers (as in Hitler’s assassination attempt in 1944), since they are the only one with sufficient power and information of what is going on. I hope it will be more successful.
In this way, Ukrainians liberate themselves, recover their national and ethnic health , get reconstruction help from Russia ( or BRICS, as no one else would do it anyway) and then
possibly join SCO. Happy End.
Regards, Spiral
I am hoping for a mass defection of UAF to the NAF – or at least enough key commanders.
Even the blanket surveillance used to keep everyone under control has possibilities of evasion.
If that ‘dream scenario’ could emerge, they could all take the Ukraine back from the oligarch/Right Sector – infested body-politic.
Maybe they’re smarter than some of the posters give them credit for?
One can only hope…
Yesterday the Slovak newspaper /Slovakia is a neighboring country with Ukraine /was reporting that the US convoy will be passing during this coming weekend through Slovakia.
It looks like Saker is right. These gangsters are cooking something to provoke Russia into a war.
Not a war — it will be a humanitarian intervention. Like the empire does all the time. Call it rightly or wrongly it won’t change the facts on the ground (hat tip to Netanyahoo for that phrase).
When the Nazis are turned to dust Russia goes back to being just Russia, and the empire can contemplate that:
“And while you’re studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors…and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.”
When an empire attacks some country it is not provoking someone else into war, but starting a war, which takes only one party to start, and that does not depend on propaganda but is the reality.
Al of the narrative concerning the situation has gone off into some very strange directions, but ‘the map is not the territory’ and the narrative is not the reality. (The US economy is not recovering despite the talk that it is; the climate is disrupted despite the talk that it isn’t; and the ocean (ocean, not oceans) and planetary ecology is being severely damaged despite humans ignoring it). We need to get back to seeing what is real and off this media and propaganda fad created by the crazies.
In my opinion the US objective is to draw Russia into the conflict, so the US can detonate a false flag nuke somewhere in Ukraine (Kiev maybe), believably blame the Russians for first use of nukes, then retaliate in kind. That way the US government lunatics get the nuclear war they seem to want, AND they get to blame Russia for starting it. In the ruins, no one will be able to prove otherwise.
It has also seemed to me that there is no way for Russia to escape this trap. Once the Ukies start really smashing Donbas, Russia would feel morally unable to do anything but intervene. And no matter how massively they hit back conventionally, they can’t stop that nuke false flag from happening.
But it recently occurs to me, that there IS a way out of this. How do you pre-empt a false flag?
Why, by actually doing it yourself, openly! Except in a way that doesn’t harm anyone but turns your opponent’s evil plans to rubbish.
It’s a pity there isn’t a tall mountain nearby Kiev. Imagine Russia blowing the top off it with a big nuke, for everyone in Kieve to see what a nuke looks like close up, while Russia simultaneously broadcast that this was just a demonstration of what Ukie-gov policies definitely will lead to, only with the bulls eye on Kiev instead of 50 Km out of town. Making the point that they did this to prevent the US from doing their evil false flag first….
Lacking a suitable mountaintop, how about some extensive area of Ukrainian farmland recently bought by foreign multinationals?
It might work. Wouldn’t kill anyone. (Well, very few.) Might wake the Ukrainians up, and get them to overthrow the Nazis in power there. Nukes for peace! Ha ha, where have I heard that before? It wouldn’t even matter that the idea could be traced to here, since it would all be open and admitted.
Yes, I know, it’s an obviously delusion idea. So instead we’ll watch a major conventional conflict start with the Ukie’s attack, Russia get drawn in, and then wait for it to go nuclear, which it definitely will.Then no matter which side actually used nukes first, the West’s propaganda matrix will have most of the (surviving) world believing Russia began WWIII.
Come on Mr Putin, think outside this box!
The ukies will never overthrow the nazis.First of all because a lot of them share the same view as the nazis.The other are too terrified to start anything.At least alone without someone else help..there are no popular leaders,they all have been killed or at best are jailed…or they left for Russia in exile.
It is sad I would like it happen like you,but it won’t.
The USA can often manage to create a fake revolution in countries where they don’t like the existing government. Why can’t Russia do the sake in Ukraine? Except in this case you’d think they’d be able to find sufficient supporters for it to be a valid overthrow, just with heavy outside assistance.
Or does Putin and his power base consider this too much ‘becoming like your own enemy’?
I don’t know… I don’t like the idea of killing, but there are 80,000 Ukraine troops (and a lot on the DPR/LPR side) who are going to die if the set script is followed. Then if it goes nuclear, millions or possibly billions will die. Which seems to be the Elite’s intent.
How many of the Ukie government and security services would have to die, for this situation to cease to exist? 500? 1000?
Similarly, how many in Washington, London, Israel, Brussels and the distributed US/NATO military command would have to die for the Ukraine conflict to evaporate, and the whole world’s situation to be greatly improved?
Or would just dealing with the entire Rothschild family and few other dynasties achieve a similar result? Less than 100 (or 300) lives, in exchange for the survival of the whole world?
The Creature’s creation ISIL seems to like beheadings, real or faked. I think it’s a tactic that only works against monsters, and only if you firstly identify the correct ‘heads.’
A Ukie attack in Donbass just media cover for the coming coalition of the killing attack on Syria?
When MH17 was shot down, Israel destroyed a section of Gaza.
Ukies are expendable, so send them in, swamp the media with Russian aggression, meanwhile the new coalition of the killing being put together is bombing Syria?
Perhaps at the same time as China’s commemorations for the end of the war with Japan?
You are just right:
#Israel is getting ready to invade #Syria to bring into power #ISIS/Al-Qaeda rebels. #Iran and #Russia to increase support for #Damascus.
#Israel has pounded with artillery and launched airstrikes against 14 #Syrian military positions in #Golan — RT News
http://www.rt.com/news/312965-israeli-strikes-syria-confirmed/#.VdbaPgDkpcU.twitter …
and we also have that diversion for the sheeps:
Breaking911 @Breaking911 1 hil
North Korean Foreign Ministry Says “Situation Is At Irreversible Brink Of War.”
JUST IN: US Troops Have Begun To Mobilize In South Korea
Breaking reports N korea moves rocket launchers to the border..
Stocks exchanges are collapsing as do the commodities prices,brent oil is at lowest for 6 years tonight closing at 45 usd.
Usually it means that some ‘insiders’ have knowledge of ‘something’ that will happen,soon as lot of MSM and non MSM are talking about something really big to happen in sept,much worse than in 2008.
VIX Sept 50 Calls In Play: Someone Is Buying Market Collapse Insurance
zh
BofA Pushes The Panic Buttton: “Dow Theory Sell Signal, Key Supports Broken, Semis Sinking, No Capitulation”
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-08-21/bofa-pushes-panic-buttton-dow-theory-sell-signal-key-supports-broken-semis-sinking-n
One Week Later: China’s Currency War Leads To Global FX Carnage
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-08-21/one-week-later-chinas-currency-war-leads-global-fx-carnage
And yes ..Mc Cain is arriving in KIEV for the independance day….coming from a NATO meeting in Latvia.
Every time this warmonger arrives in KIEV there is some kind of assault which follows as for Nuland and others.
That’s actually strange on the oil prices.Usually at the mere threat of war or unrest in the World oil prices raise.They are afraid the supply may suffer so want to be sure they can have some,which pushes the price up.
[ Peter,
Q; When MH17 was shot down, Israel destroyed a section of Gaza.
R; Nope. Israel was killing, murdering and slaughtering Palestinians when MH17 went down. That was a nice diversion away from the daily bloodbath. The Dutch weren’t for sanctions at all against Russia, before MH17 went down. No need to explain what went down that pipeline after the smoldering remains of the Malaysian plane were broadcast for the world to see.
Razzle dazzle…
It is the US election entertainment season and if the Kiev folks start to lose in a very ugly way ( and regardless it will be presented that way in the hegemon media). the propaganda mill will go on full alert. Shades of the defeat and retreat in Saigon will be bandied about because the generation running for power is from the era of the Vietnam war and they are still smarting over it. So my suggestion would be to have all sorts of video presentations, interviews, op-ed pieces etc. ready. Information war is on, folks. I’d even have Putin send an op ed piece to the New York Times. Why not? and then one could publish it all over the internet as “what the NYT /Guardian/ etc refused to publish.” And have South Front stop doing those dreary daily shelling reports in order to come up with their wonderful creative mix that they can do so succinctly and well. And lots of human interest pieces–this is about a fight for the human soul. Creative imagination will save us all.
Andre Purgin denies the many reports of a planned referendum: “I would not rule out a referendum sometime in the future. It would be a logical continuation of the “Russian spring”, if not today then tomorrow or the day after. All of the events that occurred and are occurring are a desire to return to the bosom of the Russian world, Russian civilization and how to build a tighter relationship with the Russian Federation. The referendum on May 11, 2014 was about sovereignty and it was the first step. However all our actions are aimed at rapprochement with Russia. The statements of the Ukrainian mass media about the referendum are traditional stuffing. Similar messages were too the 12 of May this year. They wrote that allegedly brought the ballots for the referendum for joining to Russia already marked with a checkmark. Another stuffing of Ukrainian media is an attempt to discredit the political line of the Republic. Actually they give us a nice idea speaking about the referendum.” — Purgin, August 20, 2015
may be what is described in this link about the upcoming meeting in Berlin is true, and a new war/offensive avoided.
http://sputniknews.com/analysis/20150821/1026033871.html
I hope the interpretation is correct, but then, it just means the stalemate continues, with more Donbass civilians being shelled every now and then until god knows when.
Sometimes I think that Russia should go all the way this problem with Ukraine – take over the country and leave “peacekeepers” indefinitely. Put at the government an ally and endure more of the same – targeted sanctions and widespread outcry in the West. I think perhaps if Russia had done that early on, this whole page would already be upset, the whole situation would be received as it was in relation to the Crimea – the west barks, but the caravan goes on (to stay near the Russian saying).
I also had this opinion in relation to Georgia: WHY don’t Russia take Tibilisi? Saakashvili would be having an extended vacation in a Russian prison today, rather than be leaving their filth in Odessa.
what if… war broke between N.Korea and S.Korea/US? something is happening there. would russians and chinese allow US to use tactical nukes on N.Korea. americans just said on RT tv that they are ready to use conventional and nuclear forces on N.Korea. are N.Koreans “play” together with China and Russia or they escape and act alone? if armed conflict broke out, Russia will have to deal with NATO in Ukraine and China with US in Pacific. too many questions. to me, this does not look good.
I’m very worried over the Korean issue as well.But if the US/NATO does make war in Korea and against Russia they are done.They can’t even win a one-front war against small armies.Taking on Russia,North Korea,and probably China together at once will lead to their total destruction.Hopefully they realize that,but I’m not sure.
“So I will repeat this again: the real purpose of an attack will not be to ‘reconquer’ Novorussia, it will be to draw Russia into the Donbass. How?”
The whole economic and military policy of Kiev from the start has been to get Russia involved in a war.
There is no hope for Ukraine unless it is hosting the US in a war with Russia.
The fortunes of the Oligarchs disappear without hosting the US in a war with Russia.
Support from ordinary Ukrainians disappears with out it.
Separatation by many regions will occur with out it.
If one sees the fields through the lack of trees, then the conclusion is not that nasty Russian trolls are convincing the public that there is no Russian invasion into E Ukraine, but lack of evidence (esp photos) is proof that they are not there.
Strip that and the rhetoric away and Ukraine still has the basic problem it has had from the start – it can’t convince the intelligence services of any European country that the Russians exist. It still is looking to prove something.
So we are talking more about a further provocation to the Russians.
(After all if a year shelling Russian speakers 40km from the Russian border hasn’t worked, they must be getting desperate.)
Nightingale – well said.
I only read ‘Lateral Schmateral’ – as I privately nicknamed him – to test my syntax. (I think he’s a programmer, possibly military with a fondness for equations.) I speak a second language daily, so my English grammar can get pretty dodgey, especially word-order.
Semantics is just a game to this Anonymouse.
To him/them, people are just ‘data.’ I’ve come close to losing my rag a few times..
But for those dealing with the consequences of meaningless rhetoric – like the folk being ‘liberated’ in the Middle East – it’s no game. Or the Donbass.
Note: I believe there are two of these Anonymice, one being an impostor of the original. The original at least made occasional useful points, if only for discursive purposes – no substantive information either. JMO.
The ‘partners’ are only partners in cases of mutual benefit- in others, like the Ukraine, they are clearly opponents – as Putin now publicly acknowledges.
You make a very fair case, but I think you overlook the fact that Russia has enormously long borders. A fact the opponents make pretty good use of.
Latest is NATO stirring the pot in Afghanistan – always a weak point for Russia. Don’t have the details, but they seem to be moving north..
Another is the escalation of tensions between North and South Korea – NATO claims a secret missile complex has been constructed by the North Koreans in conjunction with the Chinese. Guess the South Koreans have been told to up the ante and provide a pretext for ‘intervention’…
And don’t forget the IDF attacking Syria using the (probably Al-Nusra fired) missile from the Golan Heights as the pretext – they claim it comes from the ‘Iranian-backed Islamic Jihad of Palestine.’ Now the Palestinians are being cast as takfiris ..how convenient. Just when the Iran deal had a chance of passing.
And Iraq? The plan is now to dismember it into three, with the Sunnis in control in Iraq proper, and a Kurdistan carved out for the Kurds (General Ordeniero plan.) So more chaos to ensue, unless the Iranian, Syrians and, increasingly, the Iraqis converge to spoil the plans..as seventy % of the Syrian Aram Army is Sunni, hopefully this sectarian exploitation will not succeed.
Which makes me wonder how much of this amassing along the contact-line in NovoRussia is designed to keep Moscow looking away from the Middle East/the Central Stans?
I am currently more worried about Odessa..
To avoid confusion, the above post was addressed to Stan further up this thread.
To Mods: I seem to have the same ‘reply’ glitch as Oldnik – apologies for the mix-up.
“The ‘partners’ are only partners in cases of mutual benefit- in others, like the Ukraine, they are clearly opponents”
Perhaps you are not fully understanding Mr. Putin.
Perhaps you are failing to understand the ways of useful foolery and partnership – i.e. joint facilitation.
I think interests of Kiev, Washington, Brussels and Berlin are no longer congruent. The situation cannot get better for Washington than now:
If Kiev attacks, and Russia intervenes, what can Washington do?
More sanctions that will harm not only Europe but themselves too? Unlikely.
Military intervention? One more war and US military might is depleted.
They cannot print dollars in same quantities soon, as China’s economy grows bigger.
Russia can send the Ruble up and down as they please, foreign debt is nearly zero by now, so they do not need any more dollars to pay anything! I.e. Russia is free to do what they want, but they are restricting themselves because they have learnt the lesson from USSR. When will the US learn her lesson?
Looks like that the Empire really wants to fight with Russia, then lets fight
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=77e_1389637750
It is not what Merkel and Holland say, but what Us wants, or at least a part of it…McCain, the war industry: a visit of McCain coming back from NATO meeting, makes me think the worse.
There is another ‘blood moon” on the 18th of Sept., and honestly 85,000 men ready to attack cannot be brought back. Ukries will attact, they MUST be pushed back, because -God forbids- the militia is defeated, humanity is going down too, and the living may ending up envying the dead.
Can you imagine living in a nazi world????
If Russia goes, it has to go to Kiev and crush the occupation (take the Americans) and in a day.
A simple thought Saker. If Prasačenko is in danger from all the battalion commanders, that are threatening his existence , what is the most effective way to get rid of the “punitive battalions” (read zombie murderers)? Put them into first line of a attack. I suppose this is the thinking behind as one of the probabilities. This can be dismantling the U.S. power in Ukraine with getting rid of the most murderers and maybe taking some more ground… Win Win for Prasačenko…what do You think guys of this point of view?
Poroshenko’s Plan F is no different from his Plan B from July 22, 2014:
1) Send in tanks
2) Send in more tanks
3) Send in even more tanks
4) Call NATO
https://www.facebook.com/groups/IOUCO/permalink/804943246285398/
The situation is escalating no doubt, and I do believe the likeliest explanation is the US/EU desire to drag Russia into a larger war and use that to stave off economic collapse.
That said, Russia has done an excellent job for some time not falling into this trap and the resistance by DPR and LPR has been outstanding. There is a chance Russia does little militarily and things still go well for them, but DPR/LPR would face agony prior to victory.
The idea of a reverse false flag is intriguing…how about a political one? DPR and LPR loudly proclaim they want to join Russia and schedule a referendum. Any Ukro attack on them would be perceived as naked aggression in an effort to sabotage the democratic will of DPR/LPR citizen’s.
Have BRICs ready to instantly recognize the result of the referendum. If an attack still takes place Russia can pour in 20, 000 troops into the republics and win easily, under pre-set political cover.
The truth about the conflict with Russia>>
https://biblicisminstitute.wordpress.com/2015/03/17/the-truth-about-the-conflict-with-russia/
I like this remark: “That is the inevitable consequence of having evil, weak and insecure psychopaths in charge of an entire country.”
I would say that this comment also holds true for the puppet “leaders” of the Anglo Zionist Empire. Anderzej Lobaczewski calls such an evil alliance a “pathocracy.”
I prefer NaziKraine. It rolls off the tongue less awkwardly than Ukronazi ;’)