23rd July 2014: Two bomb attacks hit Kaduna City the capital of Kaduna State about 200 Km north of Abuja. The first blast struck Murtal Square (a public square in the city’s central area while thousands of Sufi Muslims were exiting it after attending the last Ramadan lecture of Sheikh Dahiru Bauchi, Nigeria’s leading Sufi cleric of the Tijjaniyyah Toriqoh (Path). Over 100 people die.
The official narrative is that the Murtala Square bombing was aimed at Sheikh Bauchi, but at the time the attack took place, the Sheikh had been gone from there for almost an hour. Thirty minutes before the blast, a trustworthy friend of mine who was taking his wife to the 44 Nigerian Army Reference Hospital in Kaduna (were the bodies and injured from both attacks would later be taken to), for her appointment with the doctor was held up for several minutes near Sheikh Bauchi’s house in Tudun Wada district of Kaduna, as the Sheikh and his massive entourage were moving across the junction into the road that leads to his house.
The Sheikh’s house is 3-4km away from Murtala Square, so by no chance was he around the square when the bomb went off. Preliminary investigations indicate the bomb was contained in a bag and was activated by radio remote.
The second blast was a VBED (Vehicle Borne Explosive Device) and was clearly aimed at General Muhammad Buhari, ex-military ruler, three time presidential candidate, highly regarded as one of two honest leaders Nigeria ever had 9the other being the late Murtala Muhammad), the most popular political figure alive today in Nigeria, and the person who most likely will unseat President Jonathan in next year’s elections.
The General was travelling from Kaduna to his hometown of Daura in neighbouring Katsina State when the attack occurred at Kawo, a district in Kaduna Metropolis.
According to the General, when he left his house in a three car convoy, he was informed by his Chief Security Officer that another vehicle has been spotted trailing behind them. As they entered into Kawo District, the new car accelerated and tried to ram into the car carrying the General, but was prevented by the convoy’s escort car which quickly assumed a blocking position, so it pulled off at the last moment. It would return to try again and again, chasing after the convoy which had switched to emergency security protocols as the General’s C.S.O rightly suspected an assassination attempt.
The blocking and chasing would go on for nearly 10-15mins until the chase reached Kawo Market and Motor Park and at to slow down because of a traffic Jam near the overpass there. At that moment, the VBED took advantage of the relaxiation of speed by the convoy and accelerated from the side towards the General’s car, slamming into the lead car which had maneuvered and intercepted its charge, before exploding. Over 39 deaths follow with scores reported injured.
Eyewitnesses insists that after the VBED detonated, a detachment of soldiers who had been waiting beneath the overpass opened fire on the General’s car and the surrounding area, leaving bullet marks on the armoured SUV (shown in picture) and killing most of those reported dead in the attack. Bullet riddled bodies were also alleged to have been picked up by the military and taken to the 44 Nigerian Army Reference Hospital at Comilla Barracks.
Another twist entered the whole incident when the driver of the VBED jumped out of the vehicle as it accelerated towards the General’s car and executed a dive-roll before trying to escape into the fleeing crowd. However he/she (I will explain) was captured by some youths who noted his /her dramatic exit from the vehicle, and they would have lynched him to death if not for the General’s surviving escorts who took him/her from the crowd and (when they arrived) handed him/her to the ssoldiers and police reinforcements.
The attacker who drove the VBED turned out to be a man who dressed up in pseudo-Muslim women’s dress (Muslim women in Kaduna don’t dress like you see him dress in the picture) complete with a pumped up bra. At first the military and police authorities tried to deny his arrest but admitted to it after pictures of him being escorted to an Otokar APC belonging to the military surfaced on social media.
Reaction Of The Citizenry
The general perception amongst people in most areas of Northern Nigeria is that the attempt on General Buhari’s life was ordered by the Presidency, while a few believe the President would not be so stupid as to even think of killing this man whose death had it happened in the attack would have triggered widespread chaos that would have engulfed this country in flames. A minority believe that the attack was orchestrated by a ‘third-party’ interested in sowing the seeds of a civil war, knowing that people would quickly jump to blame President Jonathan.
However the universal belief I have encountered in various interviews, social media, talkshows or press statements by various individuals is that the earlier attack on Murtala Square was a diversion to to tie the whole thing to Boko Haram, and disguise it as ‘Islamic extremism’.
Should that be the case, such an alleged Boko Haram tie has been discredited since it is well known that the Boko Haram groups have absolutely no benefit from killing the General nor do they have any reason to want to kill him. They respect him and praise him as a ‘honest and principled man’. As a matter of fact, when the Jamaa’atu Ahlis-Sunnah of Sheikh Bukar Al-Barnawi wanted to hold negotiations with the Federal government, he was the only one they accepted from the government side as he was the only person they could accept as ‘trustworthy, honest, incorruptible and impartial’.
Kano Bombings
24th July 2014: Two small bombs went of at a bus park and near a popular local cinema (El Dorado Cinemas) respectively in Sabon Gari district of Kano Metropolis. Two people confirmed dead.
Damboa/WarZone South
23rd, 24th, 25th and 26th July 2014: Nigerian Army makes several attempts to recapture Damboa Township and surrounding areas. A dozen or more troops are killed and the soldiers are forced to retreat due to the heavier firepower of the rebels.
Meanwhile, fighters from Jamaa’atu Ahlis-Sunnah of Abubakar Shekau attack several villages in Biu LGA, killing over 72 people including 62 civilians and more than 10 CJTF (Civilian Joint Taskforce) fighters Hundreds evacuate to safer areas.
Zaria
25th July 2014: Soldiers open fire on a peaceful procession of Shias and Sunnis marching in solidarity with the people of Gaza, killing over 40 people including women and children The march in Zaria (60km north of Kaduna City) was organized by.the Islamic Movement, a politico-religious group of Shias, Sufis and Sunnis run by Sheikh Ibrahim Az-Zakzaki (Zakzaky) the leader of Shias in Nigeria. Amongst the dead are Mahmud Zakzaky a son of the Sheikh, a friend of mine who was part of the procession and a woman who was shot along with her baby on her back. Two more friends of mine and over a hundred people were dragged into detention.
By 10:00pm same day news emerged that Ahmad Zakzaky another son of the Sheikh who was shot and also detained had died in military custody. Sheikh Zakzaky who later address the press in the evening on 26th July and confirm reports that the soldiers came to his house and picked up three of his sons; Hamid, Ali and Ahmad, and that all three were shot, while Ahmad and Hamid had died in custody earlier in the day.
Sources have confirmed that previous reports that the soldiers who carried out the shootings and arrests were not part of the regular units deployed in Zaria or Kaduna which is the headquarters of the 1st Mechanized Division (that has operational control over Zaria), rather they were from Abuja based units under the Brigade Of Guards. Other sources confirmed that they had the insignia and flashes of the 176 Special Forces Battalion, the special operations element of the Brigade Of Guards, trained by United States Special Operations Command subordinate units. On the morning of 26th soldiers passed by a study centre of the Shia which also houses an office of the Islamic Movement and sprayed gun fire into the building killing three more people.
Gyallesu the suburb of Zaria where Sheikh Zakzaky and the Shia in Nigeria have their headquarters was cordoned off for a shortwhile but has now been re-opened, however there is still a heavy military presence and the situation in Zari remains very tense.
Sheikh Zakzaky and his followers have for years maintained a trained but informal small militia that has upto a thousand fighters. They are also known to maintain an extensive small arms arsenal plus substantial amounts of crew served weapons. Iran since 1998 has assisted the Sheikh with weapons and advisers. However apart from some minor clashes which nearly led to heavy fighting between Shias and Izala Muslims several years back over the Shia practice of cursing Aisha (RA) and the Compaions of the Prophet (SAWS),a practice which is widespread amongst Nigerian Shia but has been condemned by Ayatullah Khamenei Iran’s Supreme Leader in one of his fatawa (fatwas), Zakzaky and his followers have not turned their weapons on anyone.
The fear now is that this attack on Zakzaky and his followers may end up leadig to another Boko Haram insurgency, and this is a widely shared sentinment.
In 2009 Muhammad Yusuf and his followers were attacked by soldiers several times while they were in funeral processions to go and bury their dead., until they could take the repeated unjustified murder of their people and they rioted, an opportunity which the Nigerian government seized to launch a full scale assault on the Yusufiyya members based on faulty intelligence supplied to Nigeria by the US, UK and Israel.
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Pictures of the VBED driver who dressed up as a female Muslim:
Bullet riddled SUV of General Buhari:
Excellent. Saker, this sitrep from Nigeria is another gem.
I saw the 2007 election being stolen from General Buhari, who is respected by people in the north but reviled by southerners who call him an Islamic fundamentalist. (The Christian Zionist churches in Nigeria have been successful in poisoning relations between the two communities). I fear for Gen. Buhari’s safety. This was a serious attempt and will not be the last. Anglo-Zionists fear him as he has held principled stances throughout his life, unlike obassanjo or jonathan.
@ Everybody,
The Sunni Sufi are very close to Shia as majority Sufi consider Imam Ali (as) as their leader.
Best regards,
Mohamed.
@Mohamed:The Sunni Sufi are very close to Shia as majority Sufi consider Imam Ali (as) as their leader.
This is *VERY* interesting to me. Could you point me to some articles explaining this and expanding on this? Or could you explain why this is the case and, finally, why are the Sufi still considered as a sub-branch of the Sunni? Why aren’t they considered as Shia?
Thanks a lot and cheers,
The Saker
Dear Saker
Nobody is here interested in Nigeria
Zagreb – Moscow
@Anonymous:Nobody is here interested in Nigeria
Speak for yourself, if only because that way that would make you “nobody” which, of course, you are. As for me, I marvel at both your arrogance and ignorance. I let your rude comment through just to show all those who do find these SITREPs not only interesting, but also unique (because, just like you, the corporate media does not give a damn about Nigeria or even Africa), the kind of ignorant attitudes some have. Next time you see many Africans somewhere in Europe, just remember that you don’t care about what brought them here, ok?
The Saker
“VINEYARDSAKER: said…
@Mohamed:The Sunni Sufi are very close to Shia as majority Sufi consider Imam Ali (as) as their leader.
This is *VERY* interesting to me. Could you point me to some articles explaining this and expanding on this? Or could you explain why this is the case and, finally, why are the Sufi still considered as a sub-branch of the Sunni? Why aren’t they considered as Shia?
Thanks a lot and cheers,
The Saker”
Dearest Saker,
The Shia, Sufi and almost most of the Sunni beside the “Liver Eaters” consider that Prophet Mohammad (saws) was created by God’s Noor (Light). This Noor (Nur) was put in Adam and then the Angles were told to bow to Adam. This Nur was in each and every Prophet (as).
It finally went into the grandfather of Prophet Mohammad (saws). And, then to Prophet Mohammad (as) as per the belief of almost most of the Sunni.
The Shia and Sufi go further, that the Nur then got divided into two sons of the grandfather, one part went into the father of Prophet Mohammad (saws) and the other part to the father of Imam Ali (as). From the Prophet Mohammad (saws), it went to his daughter Bibi Fatima (as) and with her marriage to Imam Ali (as), it got united again in their children Imam Hassan (as) and Imam Hussain (as). The Sufi stop at these 5 people, but the Shia continue to their 12 Imams plus Prophet and his daughter, thus making a total of 14 people.
The Quran calls the Household of the Prophet as “Clean”. See Tahara (both in Islam and Judaism) and Nigasha (Niddah in Judaism), however both what is Tahara and Nigasha differs in both Islam and Judaism. Exposed blood in Judaism is Niddah only for women and it is polluted. Whereas, exposed blood in Islam is Niddah for both men and women and NOT pollution.
Thus, the definition of “Clean” Household:
1. Almost most of the Sunni.
All wives of the Prophet and the above 5. Also, by extension anyone who is related to the wives, such as father of Aisha (abu Bakr) and father of Hafsa (Omar), the two wives of the Prophet. And, supposedly the son-in-law (Osman) of the Prophet. Thus, these 3 respective caliphs are better than the 4th Caliph Imam Ali (as). The Shia considered these 3 upsurge the rights of Imam Ali (as).
2. Sufi:
The Prophet chaste and pure Household includes only the above 5, namely Prophet Mohammad (saws), Bibi Fatima (as), Imam Ali (as) and their two sons, Imam Hassan (as) and Imam Hussain (as).
These five are Spiritual Leaders and are better than the first 3 caliphs who are only political leaders.
3. Shia:
The Prophet chaste and pure Household includes only 14. They reject the first 3 caliphs. The Sunni believe in Predestination, therefore they believe that all caliphs are installed by the Will of God, including the first 3 caliphs. Thus, the Shia are not Muslims (bow to the Will of God) as they reject the Will of God regarding the first 3 caliphs and the rest of the caliphs. Thus, the Shia are called, “Rafida, the Rejectors” a very derogatory term.
Imam Ali (as) was and is very polarizing figure. There is some sect which call itself Shia (the Shia don’t consider them Muslims), consider Imam Ali (as) as GOD (astafgurallah). Salam Rushdie is one of the them. Imam Khomeini was not lunatic.
Best regards,
Mohamed.
Fulan,
Why do you think the US is fomenting all this chaos? Oil? But weren’t we getting it anyhow? How do we benefit from this? I admit I don’t know as much about Nigeria as I ought and I know you’re sticking to facts here, but what are your current thoughts on the underlying dynamics?
Anonymous 14:07
How dare you!
You speak for no one but yourself and if you’re not interested, then don’t read it. I’m quite grateful for this window into yet another field of horrors my country is perpetrating, and grieving deeply for all the innocent people affected by them.
4222hmmm… I hadn’t realized that the Empire of lies was also meddling in Nigeria. My sincere thanks for this Sitrep, Saker
“@ Everybody,
1. Can anyone tell me why only Imam Grand Ayatollah Khomeini (ra) and no other Islamic Scholar had a fatwa on Salman Rushdie regarding Satanic Verses?
2. And, why now Imam Ayatollah Khamenei (ra) removed the same fatwa?
Removed by a lower Ayatollah.”
Salam Rushdie who is a Agha Khani, a deviant sect of Shia, which considers Imam Ali (as) to be GOD (astafgurallah). He wrote a book called, “Satanic Verses”, which is supposedly about 2 controversial verses in the Holy Quran.
His book didn’t have anything to do with the so called, “Satanic Verses”. His book was very demeaning to Prophet Mohammad (saws), his 12 wives and Archangel Gabriel.
astafgurallah, astafgurallah, astafgurallah. What I am about to write below, God to break my hands for writing as such.
His book:
1. Implying Prophet Mohammad (saws) is a brothel owner. astafgurallah
2. Implying Prophet Mohamad (saws), 12 wives working for the brothel. astafgurallah.
3. Implying Archangel is the Pimp for the brothel. astafgurallah
It is not that the Sunni don’t love the Prophet and his household as much as the Shia.
However, in the 12 wives, the first wife of Prophet Mohammad (saws), Bibi Khadija (as), the mother of Bibi Fatima (as) was not included, which the Shia adore.
Also, in the 12 wives the two wives Umm al-Mominin Aisha and Umm al-Moninin Hafsa who Shia don’t like but respect were included.
Now, the Sunni Scholars were watching what will the Shia do, as there is going to massive killings of Shia throughout the world. Thus, Imam Grand Ayatollah Khomeini (ra), the highest Shia scholar for his time, issued a fatwa against Salman Rushdie and every other Muslim scholar keep quiet.
It is better to be called, LUNATIC to stop the massive massacre against the Shia throughout the world.
Now, since this threat is gone, the fatwa is removed by a lower Ayatollah Imam Khamenei (ra).
Best regards,
Mohamed.
“Nora…
Fulan,
Why do you think the US is fomenting all this chaos? Oil? But weren’t we getting it anyhow? How do we benefit from this?”
Dear Nora,
It is called The Stealth Crusade to divide and rule, and get the OIL for NOTHING.
The “Liver Eaters” have been let loose against the Sufi Muslims, and against the Christians due to The Stealth Crusade.
Best regards,
Mohamed.
Baboo here
“Imam Khomeini was not lunatic.”
Hmmm… don’t know if that is an intentional misleading statement or deliberate if we’re talking about the same guy or maybe someone is just uniformed. First off he wasn’t Iranian, second off he was half English half Kashmiri and third off, he was a full time MI6 pyschotic stooge responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Iranians, a people he despised.
@Nora,
Based upon much research into the “formers” of capitalism in the 1800’s such as Rockefeller and Morgan in particular, these wars are more about trade routes and travel corridors as opposed to the “oil” and commodities, which include people, themselves. It is noteworthy to consider that the Morgan Dynasty from both sides of the pond effectively controlled all trade routes between the old world and the new world and at the same time owned the entire network via sea, rail and road in the new world. Private militias and mercenaries played a crucial role, just like today. As the 1800’s ended and the 1900’s began the battle ensued to own and control the Pacific routes. Thus the Panic of 1907 played a pivotal role which inspired the creation of the Fed..
While this seems to be outside the box, we only need to research hos and way the “Silk Road” was purposely severed. This allowed for the control of the flows of goods but more so the flow of knowledge and information. This allows for controlled chaos and makes it easier to sow the seeds of hate and discontent that favour the “investors” and speculators.
The guy dressing as a woman has a very Israeli stink to this covert Israeli-American bombing operation.
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Mohamed,
Boyoboy, those ignorant idjits are something, aren’t they! How. To. Make. Enemies. 101. But I wouldn’t consider them much more than a nasty horse-fly, to be honest. I think the real Stealth Crusade we need to worry about isn’t these guys, but rather those who worship Mammon, not God. No?
Boko Haram is a Saudi front- why do we have this ‘agent’ doing his very best to deflect from this fact.
Last ‘sitrep’ this person gave us out-and-out nonsense about the origins of Boko Haram. It does NOT matter what pre-existing ‘prophet’/’personality’/’minor social movement’ the CIA chose for its plausible deniability program. hat we currently call ‘Boko Haram’ is 100% a product of Saudi money and sponsorship, and US/UK Military Intelligence planning.
Remember how Hillary Clinton spent three years, going to ‘bat’ for Boko Haram, single-handedly ensuring the UN did not declare Boko Haram a terrorist organisation (and this was long after Boko Haram had been taken over by the Saudis, and was engaging in out-and-out acts of terrorism against civilians).
Nigeria is a massive nation, with a massive population. Its culture is split between Christian, Muslim and Traditional segments- and when Britain directly controlled Nigeria, the main powerbase was solidly Muslim.
The most senior members of Nigeria’s government/army/police-force/ practice ‘ritual’ magic, which involves body parts taken from living victims by ‘fetish’ priests. This may sound like ‘racist’ slander from a Westerner, but go Google the subject- Nigeria has an amazing number of independent ‘news’ websites that specialise in the seedier side of life there.
Only a few months ago, there was a sickening scandal about a kidnap camp within the heart of one of Nigeria’s major cities, where women were taken in broad daylight, held for months, if not years, and raped and dissected alive to provide ritual ‘magic’ services for the most influential people in the region.
British Military Intelligence (MI6) has blackmail information on every senior personality in Nigeria- each of these idiots pays monsters to do ‘magic’ to advance their careers. When you rule Nigeria, but believe the fact you paid to have a young woman’s breast cut off is ‘why’ you rule, you are in the pocket of any agent of the West that knows this fact.
So Nigeria does nothing to fight Boko Haram. The ordinary people suffer terribly as Saudi Arabia continues its project to extend its absolute control of Muslims across the planet. Moderate Islam in Nigeria is gradually transformed into the foul cancer of Wahhabism- the direct analogue of the Judaic ‘religion’ in Israel.
Every Boko Haram ‘fighter’ (and this term is a misnomer, since the terrorists are inspired by money and power, not ideology) uses the mobile phone services of Nigeria to stay in touch with their commanders. All mobile phones are location tracked in real-time (nothing to do with GPS), yet by some ‘miracle’ knowing the real-time location of most of the terrorists never seems to factor in. Think about this.
Dear fulan,
I would be grateful if you could also provide some updates on the three Lebanese origin Nigerians who had been imprisoned and interrogated by the Israelis for being supporters of Hezbollah. One of them, the owner of the amusement park in Abuja was still in jail, last I heard. Any news on that?
Saker dont want to digress but the $50b ruling from the Hague this morning and the reopening of the Litvinenko Case in London are connected dont you think?
Both are designed to ratchet up the pressure on RussiaPutin.
“Nora….
Boyoboy, those ignorant idjits are something, aren’t they! How. To. Make. Enemies. 101. But I wouldn’t consider them much more than a nasty horse-fly, to be honest. I think the real Stealth Crusade we need to worry about isn’t these guys, but rather those who worship Mammon, not God. No?”
Dear Nora,
Remember Reza Aslan, and his book, “No god but God” which was a literal translation of “No ilah but al-ilah (allah)”. The idjits (educated) teachers in my children American School thought he is a liberal writer because of his translation. They didn’t know he translated it literally.
In the Whole Preface, Reza Aslan talks about Morocco and these nasty missionaries. We are not just talking about USA missionaries, now there are UK, Nigerian, South Koreans … missionaries whose only objective is to raise Mannon for the owner of the church. Remember 700 Club, Moonies, and then try to remember Afghanistan and Abdul Rahman of Afghanistan.
Yes, you are right that Mannon and Power go hand in hand. At first there is so much thrill of Mannon, but later on it is the Power that Mannon can buy one. Sheldon Adelson is a good example.
Best regards,
Mohamed.
@ Mohammed
Please refrain from calling any community “deviant”. You as a shia would be considered deviant by many takfirist Muslims these days. So please be sensitive before saying such things.
And about Rushdie. His grandfather was Khwaja Muhammad Din Khaliqi Dehlavi from Kashmir. By no means was he Ismaili (aga khani as you call them). As far as I know there are no Ismailis in Indian Kashmir, the only ones in India are from Gujarat.
Also if people on this blog ask questions, it is polite to at least let the person to whom the question has been addressed get a word in first. It is the humble and Muslim way to behave.
“Baboo here
“Imam Khomeini was not lunatic.”
Hmmm… don’t know if that is an intentional misleading statement or deliberate if we’re talking about the same guy or maybe someone is just uniformed. First off he wasn’t Iranian, second off he was half English half Kashmiri and third off, he was a full time MI6 pyschotic stooge responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Iranians, a people he despised.”
Dear Baboo,
Imam Grand Ayatollah Khomeini (ra) is a Syeed and Kawthur, meaning that he a direct descended of Prophet Mohammad (saws).
In Islam it is believed by all Muslims that every 100 years, every century, a reviver of Islam comes, who revives Islam. It is too early now to name the reviver for the 20th century, but most Muslims consider that he will get this title for the last century.
Baboo, you must be from India?
Are you a Muslim?
Best regards,
Mohamed.
@Fulan Nasrullah and the Saker
Thank you for this. It’s fascinating and very informative. At the same time it all seems headed in a very scary direction with collusion at so many levels. Please keep them coming. Nothing of this caliber is available anywhere else.
Also
“I would be grateful if you could also provide some updates on the three Lebanese origin Nigerians who had been imprisoned and interrogated by the Israelis for being supporters of Hezbollah. One of them, the owner of the amusement park in Abuja was still in jail, last I heard. Any news on that?”
I second this request by Anonymous 16:49
@Mohamed
“Imam Grand Ayatollah Khomeini (ra), the highest Shia scholar for his time”
That is debatable. You could refer to him as the highest Shia scholar in politics at that time, which would be more accurate.
“Salam Rushdie who is a Agha Khani, a deviant sect of Shia, which considers Imam Ali (as) to be GOD (astafgurallah)”
Please check this. As far as I know they are the Shia of Ali (as) and do not take him to be God. That is/was the belief of the Nusaria/Allawis of Syria. The Aga Khanis like the Bohris/Fatamids are Ismaili.
“Now, since this threat is gone, the fatwa is removed by a lower Ayatollah Imam Khamenei (ra)”
This isn’t the place for this. But what was the basic law according to which the fatwa was issued? It was apostasy. That fact does not change. Khamenei cannot change the fatwa, but the subsequent followers of Khamenei can choose to follow his edicts instead of Khumainis (living versus dead Marja e Taqlid). One who continues in the Taqlid of Khumaini is bound by that fatwa, irrespective of what Khamenei or Sistani say.
Mindfriedo
@Baboo
“First off he wasn’t Iranian, second off he was half English half Kashmiri and third off, he was a full time MI6 pyschotic stooge responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Iranians, a people he despised.”
Is this what your name here means?
http://www.whatdoesthatmean.com/dictionary/B/babu.html
For if it does than your name is more Anglo derogatory than Khumaini was “English and not Iranian.”
There is a quote by Imam Ali (as) that when Muawiya (la) blamed Ali for the death of Ammar (as) in Siffin, Imam Ali told his followers it is like the Kuffars blaming Muhammad (sawa) for killing Hamza (as) because Muhammad brought Hamza to fight on his behalf.
Your blaming Khumaini for the Iranian deaths reminded me of that.
Yes, he should have ended the war a lot earlier. But there was no guarantee that Saddam would not continue attacking as he did in 1988 after a truce was declared.
If it wasn’t for the Iranian belief in Khumaini as their leader, as a Marja, as a guide, Iran after the revolution (a revolution that every Iranian irrespective of political affiliation participated in) would have possibly fallen to Iraq. A pro Western post revolution Iran would be a slave of the West and protected, while a communist Tudeh Iran would have collapsed.
@anonymous 16:37
Boko Haram is a Saudi front
I would have thought so too. But SITREPs by Fulan are very informative and contrary to that view; a view that the MSM is feeding us too. So if you could counter each fact that Fulan posts with a reference news piece from any of the “amazing number of independent ‘news’ websites” that you refer to, it would be much more helpful than an anti Wahabbi/Saudi rant (Here I’m with you all the way).
mindfriedo
When will ebola arrive in Nigeria, and will its arrival be innocent or a deliberate attempt to spread the virus?
It is time for China to step up and say something about the conduct of Anglo-Zionist foreign policy.
Aside from Africans themselves, China is the primary target of multiple genocidal actions by Western Intel Death Cults. Have they forgotten about the manufactured SARs epidemic and who was targetted?
China can shake the world (especially markets) with an appropriately worded statement.
I would very much like to see how the Canadian government, for example, attempts to target the large Chinese diaspora in the same way they’ve targeted others.
Chinese immigrants are, broadly speaking, prosperous and conservative. Although they may not be strongly pro Beijing, they are an essential voter block to people like Stephen Harper. This is a lever that ought to be used and surely by now the Chinese government realizes it will be starved of resources when this thing finally spins out of control.
It’s no good to be rent collectors if everyone’s dead. Practicality and morality are not mutually exclusive as Chinese conduct seems to suggest.
By contrast, Uighurs are barely a nussiance. There are events transpiring across the Islamic world including Malaysia which are infinitely more important to China’s long term interests. And Russia is still carrying a disproportianate weight in the struggle for the future of humanity.
“mindfriedo,
Please check this. As far as I know they are the Shia of Ali (as) and do not take him to be God. That is/was the belief of the Nusaria/Allawis of Syria. The Aga Khanis like the Bohris/Fatamids are Ismaili.”
Yes, the Aga Khanis are Ismailis, and they believe that every 7th imam is reincarnated Ali who is a God. The 7th imam Ismail son of Imam Jaffar (as) is reincarnated Ali who is a God.
Thus, present 49th imam is reincarnated Ali who is a God. He own Casinos and Race Horses.
Have you ever seen a Ismailis mosque?
They have Jamat Khanas and not mosques, have you heard any Adhan from these Jamat Khanas?
How often they met in the Jamat Khana?
Have you seen any Ismaili women do a hijab?
When the God Al-Mighty is on earth who need Quran and Sunnah of Prophet Mohammad (saws), they only need Farmanas.
“mindfriedo
“Now, since this threat is gone, the fatwa is removed by a lower Ayatollah Imam Khamenei (ra)”
This isn’t the place for this. But what was the basic law according to which the fatwa was issued? It was apostasy. That fact does not change. Khamenei cannot change the fatwa, but the subsequent followers of Khamenei can choose to follow his edicts instead of Khumainis (living versus dead Marja e Taqlid). One who continues in the Taqlid of Khumaini is bound by that fatwa, irrespective of what Khamenei or Sistani say.”
We are not talking Marja or Taqlid, we are talking Wilayat e Faqih. For those who believe in Wilayat e Faqih, the Wilayat e Faqih is higher than his/her Marja and Taqlid.
Imam Khomeini was the Wilayat e Faqih. After his death, he choose Imam Khamenei to become the Wilayat e Faqih. Thus, the current Wilayat e Faqih can remove/cancel the fatwas of the dead Wilayat e Faqih.
BTW, Taqlid of dead Marja is not allowed.
Best regards,
Mohamed.
from India…
Please refrain from calling any community “deviant”. You as a shia would be considered deviant by many takfirist Muslims these days. So please be sensitive before saying such things.
Please mind your own business. If you are an Ismaili, then came out in open rather than hiding behind the skirt. The Ismailis and Alawites due to beliefs that Imam Ali (as) is God (astafgurallah) and hide behind their skirts, get the other Shia Muslims killed by the Tafkiris.
If these two groups have ever read Nahjul Balagha written by Imam Ali (as), they will know that no human being can be God.
from India…
And about Rushdie. His grandfather was Khwaja Muhammad Din Khaliqi Dehlavi from Kashmir. By no means was he Ismaili (aga khani as you call them). As far as I know there are no Ismailis in Indian Kashmir, the only ones in India are from Gujarat.
Do you know what Khoja means?
Have you heard about Mulla Nasreddin Khodja?
Every country in the world is claiming him.
How many Kashmiris you know who moved to Pakistan after the Partition?
from India…
Also if people on this blog ask questions, it is polite to at least let the person to whom the question has been addressed get a word in first. It is the humble and Muslim way to behave.
Son, mind your own business. I know Nora and it is not your business Mr. Hindi Bhai to be the self proclaimed moderator of this blog. If not, then I am capable of eating your lunch.
“mindfriedo
“Imam Grand Ayatollah Khomeini (ra), the highest Shia scholar for his time”
That is debatable. You could refer to him as the highest Shia scholar in politics at that time, which would be more accurate.”
Muslims believe that every century a revivalist comes in Islam, who revives the Islam. It is too early now to name the reviver for the 20th century, but most Muslims consider that Imam Khomeini (ra) will get this title for the last century.
Islam was alive in India/Pakistan but was dead in Iran and Middle East. It is Imam Khomeini (ra) who revived the Islam for all Muslims.
Also, because of his foresight, he brought the Alawites in mainstream Shia Islam. Today, you see Bashar al-Asad praying in the mosques, especially the EID PRAYERS.
As far as Ismailis are concerned, with their casinos (alcohol/gambling) and race horses (gambling), Imam Khomeini (ra) considered them far gone.
Best regards,
Mohamed.
Anonymous 16:03
Tell me more! Please. ;~)
Where-Wolf,
I think China has hopes of being The Last Man Standing.
@Mohamed
“is reincarnated Ali who is a God.”
I will check on this and get back to you.
“They have Jamat Khanas and not mosques, have you heard any Adhan from these Jamat Khanas?
How often they met in the Jamat Khana?
Have you seen any Ismaili women do a hijab?”
Yes I agree, but these are practices not belief. A Muslim is one who believes in Allah and Muhammad (sawa) as his Abdahu (slave) and (Rasul) raised one.
If you were to tell me Bahais are non Muslim, I would agree, since they believe in subsequent prophets.
If you were to tell me, that the Allawis still regard Ali as God, then yes they would be non Muslims as well.
For the Aga Khanis I have to check. And this would be the Nizaras not the Musta’li (Bohris). The latter I am sure pray five times a day and fast.
“We are not talking Marja or Taqlid, we are talking Wilayat e Faqih. For those who believe in Wilayat e Faqih, the Wilayat e Faqih is higher than his/her Marja and Taqlid.”
I will be honest and tell you that my knowledge of this issue in religious terms is lacking. What I mean is that to settle a religious question a Marjas/Scholars wisdom is needed to reference Hadees and the Quran to draw out what we should practice.
My arguments, hence, are based on logic, which is very wrong when referring to a religious question. Here goes,
The conditions for Wilayat e Faqih are such that even Sistani stays clear of this. Khumaini did not form an Islamic government at first; he later came round to that view on the insistence of those around him. The teacher of Khumaini, Ayatollah Bourujardi, explicitly forbade him from entering politics. He did so, none the less, when his teacher died, stating that the fatwa had lapsed. Before Khumaini, Shia Ayatollahs had refrained from entering politics. They are not allowed to rule. They could have when the Safavis were in power, or the Bouyads, or the corrupt Qajars, but they did not. The ayatollahs even advised or fought with the corrupt Pahlavis but did not enter politics. The reason is that an Islamic government or that of God on Earth is not possible till the coming of the one mentioned in Ghadeer. No “Ayatollah” is mentioned as a messiah/Mahdi.
The term Ayatollah refers to an Imam. It has slowly crept into our referring to the Marjas. The highest scholars in Shia history were referred to as Shaikh Sadooq, Shaikh Tusi, Shaikh Mufeed, Allama Hilli, Allama Majlisi, not as Ayatollahs.
One thing that comes to mind is this. There were two periods of occultation. In the first, the Shia were trained to take rulings and instructions from the “Naibs/representatives.” In essence a system of Taqleed was being put in place. If the intention was that Shias rule themselves, the Shias should have similarly been taught this. The Marjas realize this. They stayed clear of politics.
mindfriedo
“Imam Khomeini was the Wilayat e Faqih. After his death, he choose Imam Khamenei to become the Wilayat e Faqih. Thus, the current Wilayat e Faqih can remove/cancel the fatwas of the dead Wilayat e Faqih.”
Let me get this right. You are saying that Khumaini was the Wilayat e Faqih. This means that most Iranians, an over whelming majority voted him in. According to Sistani popular will determines this post.
Sistani: “Every jurisprudent (Faqih) has wilayah (guardianship) over non-litigious affairs. [LEGITIMACY] Non-litigious affairs are technically called “al-omour al-hesbiah”. As for general affairs with which social order is linked, wilayah of a Faqih and enforcement of wilayah depend on certain conditions one of which is popularity of acceptability of Faqih among majority of momenee”
So after he dies, he gets to designate Khamenei. The momineen/people do not get to choose him. Looks a lot like the “Saqifa” to me.
“Muslims believe that every century a revivalist comes in Islam, who revives the Islam. It is too early now to name the reviver for the 20th century, but most Muslims consider that Imam Khomeini (ra) will get this title for the last century.”
If this is entirely true, that this is a Shia belief, then you stand to have a couple of centuries where no Great scholar existed or can be designated as such.
“Islam was alive in India/Pakistan but was dead in Iran and Middle East. It is Imam Khomeini (ra) who revived the Islam for all Muslims.”
Please ask any Iranian how many young go to pray in the mosque now as compared to when the Mullahs were out of power. Half the country hates the Mullahs now. In 1979, a majority loved them. If you believe the post revolution vote that made Khumaini the head of the Islamic government, then 99% loved Islam. These were the Muslims willing to walk on minefields when asked. And these are the Momineen who frustrated Khumaini when prices were rising and he insisted the Islamic revolution was not brought about to lower the price of melons. Now, Mosques in Iran are kept closed during the rest of the day. Why? Should Muslims not have access to a mosque at all times during the day?
The extremist groups in Pakistan that enjoy killing Shias were formed as a counter to Khumainis Shia revolution and his desire to export it. Please ask Iranian Pasdaran Commanders how many feel that it was a mistake to try and export the revolution in the early 80s. How many felt it was ok to distribute photos of Khumaini in Saudi Arabia. One of the demands of the terrorist that took over the Grand Mosque in 1979 was that Shias be refused the pilgrimage; this was in reaction to the Shia revolution. You can argue that the Wahabi Takfiris of today, the Algerian crazy Islamists, the Daash in Iraq are all outcomes of this Islamic revival. I regret the use of hyperboles to make a point.
Please try and consider how many Shias in Iran want to be ruled by a Wilayat e Faqih, which you yourself claim, was passed to Khameni hereditarily.
I cringed when I head Iranians scream “Mag bar Khamenei,” but it was inevitable. If you are in Iran during Naurooz see how the country is split between its culture and its religion, which is imposed. This would not have happened if the Shia faith would have remained clear of politics. They entered the gutter and now they have to fight dirty. Sistani is doing the right thing. He is staying clear of politics. He is letting Shia politicians fight dirty, not Shia Scholars.
Politics and rule is dirty, always was, always will be. Unless “run by God.” You live in a particular country and are repulsed by its politicians, because you know how corrupt they are. Similarly, the Iranian know and are repulsed by it. Since you are far and love your religion, you tend to “overlook” their flaws.
mindfriedo
“Also, because of his foresight, he brought the Alawites in mainstream Shia Islam. Today, you see Bashar al-Asad praying in the mosques, especially the EID PRAYERS”
You are willing to judge the Allavis beliefs fairly because Bashar is praying Eid Prayers; that is his overt practice of faith as opposed to what he believes (Even there is this a flaw in logic, If Khumaini brought him into the fold, why are his hands folded in Salat?). At the same time you are judging the Aga Khanis based on their practices of no hijab, no Azan, etc. I agree I have to check on the belief part. And will give you the benefit of the doubt.
Allawism is a very political and occult faith. Part of their Furuh e Deen is to support the Shias of Ali. So their purported conversion could also be a ruse. The atrocities the Allawis caused on the Sunni Muslims of Syria gave the Shias/Shiaism just as much as a bad name as any practice of the Nizara Aga Khanis for those who cannot discern, as in, people who benefit from blaming the Shias for the acts of these sects. Just as many Sunnis get blamed for Takfiri acts.
“Imam Khomeini (ra) considered them far gone”
Was that his religious opinion? If it was his religious opinion I would appreciate knowing Sistani’s.
“BTW, Taqlid of dead Marja is not allowed”
Yes I agree entirely. That is why I mentioned that those who wished to continue to be in the Taqlid of Khumaini. The rule as far as I remember, is that if I am in the Taqleed of a Marja and he dies, I can continue to follow his rulings even after he is dead provided I was in his Taqleed when he was alive.
@Mohamed
“Also, because of his foresight, he brought the Alawites in mainstream Shia Islam. Today, you see Bashar al-Asad praying in the mosques, especially the EID PRAYERS”
You are willing to judge the Allavis beliefs fairly because Bashar is praying Eid Prayers; that is his overt practice of faith as opposed to what he believes (Even there is this a flaw in logic, If Khumaini brought him into the fold, why are his hands folded?). At the same time you are judging the Aga Khanis based on their practices of no hijab, no Azan, etc. I agree I have to check on the belief part. And will give you the benefit of the doubt.
Allavism is a very political and occult faith. Part of their Furuh e Deen is to support the Shias of Ali. So their purported conversion could also be a ruse. The atrocities the Allawis caused on the Sunni Muslims of Syria gave the Shias/Shiaism just as much as a bad name as any practice of the Nizara Aga Khanis for those who cannot discern, as in, people who benefit from blaming the Shias for the acts of these sects. Just as many Sunnis get blamed for Takfiri acts.
“Imam Khomeini (ra) considered them far gone”
Was that his religious opinion? If it was his religious opinion I would want to know Sistani’s ruling concerning this.
“BTW, Taqlid of dead Marja is not allowed”
Yes I agree entirely. That is why I mentioned that those who wished to continue to be in the Taqlid of Khumaini. The rule as far as I remember, is that if I am in the Taqleed of a Marja and he dies, I can continue to follow his rulings even after he is dead provided I was in his Taqleed when he was alive.
mindfriedo
@Nora
“I think China has hopes of being The Last Man Standing”
That is both a smart and a selfish thing to do
mindfriedo
@Nora
I think you’re absolutely right. Chinese leadership has hopes of being last man standing. On one level I can’t blame them for taking this approach. The difference, I believe, is they’ve underestimated the sheer ruthlessness of the Anglo-Zionists.
I’m no expert here but I imagine that their attitude towards outsiders is conditioned by thousands of years of success. They’ve also experienced the historically recent diffusion of Marxist and other Western ideas into their own society resulting in the terrible toll of the Cultural Revolution. These ideas came to them like a plague and killed perhaps 50 to 100 million people before the ‘fever’ worked itself out. Before that it was the British and their Opium Wars. There are many good reasons why they are reluctant to engage and considering how Russia has done such an impressive job of limiting these lunatics, I think the Chinese have lulled themselves into a false sense of security, as successful human beings are apt to do.
It’s different this time because the level of technological empowerment possessed by our demonic rulers is unprecedented and it is coupled with a willingness, within the tiny minority that controls our society, to go for the Samson option. In fact they are planning for the Samson option because they truly see themselves as a race apart. Evolutionism has led these maniacs to the conclusion that mass psychopathy is a desirable result. They believe that their pathology is the chief characteristic of a new species made in their image. They are actively engineering viruses and plagues to wipe out entire races including their own. How does a rational person account for this kind of an enemy? To any normal, pragmatic and thoughtful person, what they plan is inconceivable. The Chinese are as suceptible to Western propaganda as are we and I am sure, by and large, they believe they are dealing with more or less Democratic societies that will correct themselves eventually. Personally, especially given recent AZ behaviour, I don’t see how this can be true. They will escalate and escalate because it’s always worked before. Until they meet a brick wall or a firing squad, they’ll keep driving forward.
Putin is in a dangerous spot because the Anglo-Zionists have calculated he is too cautious to escalate beyond a certain point. If his enemies believe they have the measure of the Russian leader and further that he will always work to de-escalte a crisis then there is a grave risk of a miscalculation on their part. It is also possible that the Anglo-Zionists believe they possess a Super Weapon that will guarantee they come out on top. We’ve seen this thinking before.
Repeating myself here, while in every other moment in history this approach would be a long term winner (psychopaths throughout history eventually burn themselves out), especially for a people so great in numbers and also disciplined, determined and so on, it isn’t going to work out like that this time around. The Chinese, least of all, do not get a pass on globalization. The world is getting smaller by the day and they must understand that they are enemy number one over the longer term.
Part II
Without a properly hard response by China, a very serious threat for which our rulers must account, Russia and her allies can’t sustain a thirty year war on their own. That’s what we’re in — a very long and costly struggle. China needs to step up now to avoid the unthinkable and they alone have the ability to do so.
China can force the bullies to retreat by simply standing up and confronting them. They can crash the markets tomorrow and recover in less than five years. Recovery in the West will take generation at least. Already the Anglo-Zionists have too many balls in play and they must be made to drop a few. If it’s done now, maybe we have a chance to avoid a global holocaust. At the very least, AZ elites need to know that China will not sit by and let it happen. As of this moment, I am convinced our leaders believe they have accounted for the Chinese and they won’t make serious waves. I fear they’re right.
Finally, I think the Chinese have some Supremacist thinking of their own to confront. Although I don’t believe it’s innately genocidal, as it is in the West, it is still something that must be overcome. This is a project for the whole world and the Chinese have an important part to play.
I’ve gone on and on for here but I’m pretty sure that the Saker blog is essential reading for many diplomats and other thinkers who want to get a grasp of the tumultuous events of our day. I’ve seen how the Saker directly affects the lies that are told on a daily basis in the West. Something very important is happening here and we are all helping to sort this out in marginal and non-marginal ways. I want to beat this point to death because it has to get through. China must step up and now it the time to do it.
minfriedo, you can’t use Ayat. Sistani, to judge the teachings of Imam. Khomeini… Ayat. Sistani, belongs to the quietist school of Shia, which is why he, like his teacher Ayat. Khoei, refused and obstructed an Islamic Revolution in Iraq, resulting in the debacle you have now…, What he is doing now in Iraq is too little and way too late. Imam Khomeini understood the fallacy of this approach, and rest we know, as Iran, and really so much of the shia world has become embodiments of resistence rooted in Islam.
Throughout the history of shi’a there have been uprisings and revolts after revolts, your reading of shia islam history is very limited, and frankly, seems to have been framed through readings of contemporary western academic authors on shiaism. This history, also propagandized in parts where there are significant shia populations attempts to delink Shias from their political (people’s, if you will) history. Much the same way as Jesus (pbuh) was so successfully depoliticized in much of Christianity.
You also seem to be judging Iran through the lens of northern Tehran – southern Tehran and vast majority of the country is an entirely different story. Add to the nonsense of marg bar Khamenei that a handful of anonymous fools may have shouted that you give so much credibility to, as if they represent anything. When Imam Khamenei asked the nation to stop the green revolution idiocity, they did just that, and no a amount of billins flowing in for empire could change that.
“mindfriedo…
Yes I agree, but these are practices not belief. A Muslim is one who believes in Allah and Muhammad (sawa) as his Abdahu (slave) and (Rasul) raised one.
If you were to tell me Bahais are non Muslim, I would agree, since they believe in subsequent prophets.
If you were to tell me, that the Allawis still regard Ali as God, then yes they would be non Muslims as well.”
Salam brother Mindfriedo,
It was the first caliph who called all the Muslims apostates because they refused to pay zakat (charity). En masses apostates.
In the Jamal (Camel) war, when the other side lost, Imam Ali (as) refused to call the loosing party apostates, because they were Muslims who have taken the Shahada and haven’t voluntary left Islam.
To Imam Ali (as)they have deviated and need to repent.
By you calling the Alawites, non-Muslim who have taken the Shahada, is paramount of you being a Tafkiri.
I am pretty sure you didn’t mean that.
Best regards,
Mohamed.
“mindfriedo….
For the Aga Khanis I have to check. And this would be the Nizaras not the Musta’li (Bohris). The latter I am sure pray five times a day and fast.
“Imam Khomeini (ra) considered them far gone”
Was that his religious opinion? If it was his religious opinion I would want to know Sistani’s ruling concerning this.
The Aga Khanis are not Nazari Ismailis. The hide behind the skirt of Nazari Ismaili. The Nazari Ismailis are in the South of Saudi Arabia, where all the Oil is. On the other side of the Nazari Ismailis are Yemeni Shia Houthis, who Oil has been stolen.
The Aga Khanis are mostly in Pakistan, India, USA, Canada and Europe.
Imam Khomeini (ra) considered them far gone because you can see their 49th Imam, whose wife doesn’t do hijab (which is in Quran) and he doesn’t have a bread (which is Sunnah) See Here:
The 49th Imam owns Casino and Race Horses.
Best regards,
Mohamed.
mindfriedo…
You are willing to judge the Allavis beliefs fairly because Bashar is praying Eid Prayers; that is his overt practice of faith as opposed to what he believes (Even there is this a flaw in logic, If Khumaini brought him into the fold, why are his hands folded in Salat?). At the same time you are judging the Aga Khanis based on their practices of no hijab, no Azan, etc. I agree I have to check on the belief part. And will give you the benefit of the doubt.
Bashar is a political leader and not religious leader. The Alawities are slowly, slowly coming around.
Where Aga Khan is the highest religious authority for Aga Khanis. He is their 49th Imam.
I hope that you appreciate difference between the two.
Kind regards,
Mohamed.
@Mindfriedo,
I’d posted the question about the 3 Lebanese in jail in Nigeria. I did a bit of a search today and found that two have been released and one still remains behind bars.
http://thewillnigeria.com/news/terror-court-frees-owners-of-amigo-supermarket-wonderland-amusement-park-abuja/
During my visits to West Africa, I was surprised to see a large Shia community there. Lebanese shia and Christians dominate (along with Indians) the business in Nigeria, Liberia, Sierra Leone. Pictures of Ayotallah Khomeini and Syed Nasrallah in all the shops.
Last year I saw the chehlum observation in Monrovia. Very impressive with participation of a few Liberians apart from the Lebanese. People there were very worried about what was being done to the 3 Lebanese in Nigeria. The Lebanese shia diaspora in West Africa has sent back money home to poor shia communities, I was told. This is what funded Amal and the Hezbollah. This started much before the 1979 revolution when support from Iran started. I guess this why the zios went after these three -as a warning to others.
@ Mohamed
you said If you are an Ismaili, then came out in open rather than hiding behind the skirt.
I am not an Ismaili and am not hiding behind anyone’s skirt. I wear a skirt. So I am a hindi behen not bhai. And I am likely old enough to be your mum, so no calling me “son”. I should call you that instead.
You wrote
Do you know what Khoja means?
How many Kashmiris you know who moved to Pakistan after the Partition?
Yes khwaja mean maula or lord. Like Khwaja Moinuddin Chishti.
Actually, his family was settled for about a century in Mumbai before they moved to Pakistan.
you wrote
Son, mind your own business. I know Nora and it is not your business Mr. Hindi Bhai to be the self proclaimed moderator of this blog. If not, then I am capable of eating your lunch.
Sorry for butting in. My apologies.
And you can happily eat my lunch. I follow my Maula Ali, who gave up his lunch to one who asked it of him even though he’d not eaten for two days.
Dear Mohamed Salam,
Thank you
I will try and explain myself concerning the Agha Khanis and the Nusairis regarding faith
I’m not out to call anyone a non believer, not even a Wahabi
“In the Jamal (Camel) war, when the other side lost, Imam Ali (as) refused to call the loosing party apostates, because they were Muslims who have taken the Shahada and haven’t voluntary left Islam”
This in essence proves my point. The people who fought Ali (as) are actually committing Shirk. Since by going against Ali (as), they go against Muhammad (sawa) and by going against him, they go against the All High.
BUT, Islam requires two things to call a person Muslim. That they believe Allah and his Prophet, other things are conditions that lead you to success. Like the following Hadees:
Zamin e Ahu, Who died away from his home, who was poisoned by a tyrant, and who was Yabna RassulAllah, Imam Reza (as) said in his famous Khutba: La Ilaha Ilal Lah is the fort of God, whoever comes within this fort is protected, but this has certain conditions and I am one of those conditions.
So Imam Ali not calling these people apostates is the principle we follow to not commit Takfir. We do not call anybody a Kaffir unless we know somebody is going beyond these two limits. Which if the Nusaris WERE to call Imam Ali God they would be doing. On the other hand the Aga Khanis by not praying are not worse than those people who opposed Ali (as) in Jamal.
I found this link regarding their beliefs. It does not show them believing that the Aga Khan is “God” or “Ali.” Please let me know if you have any other site to refer me to:
http://www.momin.com/Books/Shi039ah-26/DIVISION+WITHIN+SHI039ISM-160/Ismailism+and+Its+Branches-3112.html
“The 49th Imam owns Casino and Race Horses”
This is not relevant. It is for the Aga Khanis to judge who they follow. They will be brought before Allah with their Imam. They can argue how the race horses sped them to success there. :-)
“Bashar is a political leader and not religious leader”
True, But Allavism is a political/tribal religion. So as their political leader he represents that faith as well. And if he does not, you should not have pointed out the fact that he is praying Eid Prayers.
Eid Mubarak Brother Mohamed
mindfriedo
“I will be honest and tell you that my knowledge of this issue in religious terms is lacking. What I mean is that to settle a religious question a Marjas/Scholars wisdom is needed to reference Hadees and the Quran to draw out what we should practice.
Let me get this right. You are saying that Khumaini was the Wilayat e Faqih. This means that most Iranians, an over whelming majority voted him in. According to Sistani popular will determines this post.”
In the least form you can think of Wilayat e Faqih as constitutional monarchy. A third branch of government where Presidency and Parliament differs in democracy, it can come to their rescue. You can see how both Lebanon and Iraq democracy have been paralyzed.
Wilayat e Faqih means, “Guardian of Jurisprudent” or simply means, “Guardian of the Guardians”. Thus, the Guardian of the Guardians is chosen by a group of Guardians and not by general public.
The Wilayat e Faqih has been debated in Shia Islam since the major (second) occultation. And, will be debated until the appearance (zuhoor) of Imam Mahdi (as).
Like you I do the Taqlid of Grand Ayatollah Sistani and don’t adhere to Wilayat e Faqih. If I did then Ayatollah Khamenei rulings will be higher than the rulings of Grand Ayatollah Sistani.
I intentionally called Imam Khamenei a minor Ayatollah to see the reaction. When he was chosen over the major ones, there was an uproar, but he has proven his worth. And, Imam Khomeini is vindicated again.
He don’t issue very many religious fatwas thus not to overstep. He has cancel one fatwa regarding Salman Rushdie. And, another one reversing Chess to be Makrooh (disliked) from being Haram.
Best regards,
Mohamed.
@anonymous 8.03
“minfriedo, you can’t use Ayat. Sistani, to judge the teachings of Imam. Khomeini…”
No, but in that case I need to be able to choose which version of Islam, one that follows centuries of perfection or one that, in wahabi terminology, starts something new. Before (Imam) Khumaini (I put the Imam in brackets not because of disrespect, even though my reasoning may seem so to you. I have been to his home, his Mausolem, and have read some of his works) no Shia Alim ruled.
“Ayat. Sistani, belongs to the quietist school of Shia, which is why he, like his teacher Ayat. Khoei, refused and obstructed an Islamic Revolution in Iraq, resulting in the debacle you have now…,”
That is partly an assumption you are making. That they (Sistanio and Khoei) based it only on that belief system (Quietist School: Your calling it that shows a reading of mainly pro Iranian literature). There could be other factors such as a loss of life. This is similar to many confrontations where the Prophet and his successor Ali (as) also took similar decisions.
“What he is doing now in Iraq is too little and way too late. Imam Khomeini understood the fallacy of this approach, and rest we know, as Iran, and really so much of the shia world has become embodiments of resistence rooted in Islam.”
Compare what you just said to what happened in Karbala. Could Imam Hussain (as) not stayed in Madina and raised an army? Could he not have pursued power?
The Shia Faith has always stood for resistance to injustice. Khumaini did not add to that, he used that fact to fight the Empire. Are the Houthi Shias fighting in Yemen because of Khumaini? Did Amal start because of Khumaini? What preceded what? Was it necessary to form an Islamic government to continue rebelling?
Allah has destined his kingdom through the Mahdi, every single one before will fail. By establishing his Islamic Government, Khumaini crossed the limits of his authority. And yes by doing too much, he is in many ways, may Allah grant him peace, responsible for Shia deaths that occurred because of his exporting his Islamic Revolution. The Islamic revolution has also made many lose faith in God as they see Islam as oppressing them. Forget the Gucci Iranians.
In the case of the Iranian Kurds. Iranian Nationalism led Iran’s Islamic government to crush the Kurds. An Islamic government is killing people to define national boundaries. Issues such as these would not crop up.
“Throughout the history of shi’a there have been uprisings and revolts after revolts, your reading of shia islam history is very limited, and frankly, seems to have been framed through readings of contemporary western academic authors on shiaism.”
Once again an assumption about what I read based on a limited reading of my comments. But in all fairness my reference to “Melons” could have led you there.
Please read about those revolts again and again. Everyone was for seeking justice, not for power.
Hazarate Mukhtar kept stating that his motive was not power. The same thing can be said of Zaid ibn Ali who sought to fight the Ummayads against injustice. They knew the rule belonged to the household of the Prophet (Ahlul Bayt) and not anyone else.
Contemporary Western authors get confused or perplexed when they read Shia history and its abhorrence for political power. To them seeking power is the first and most important objective. A lot like your Revolutionary thinking Ayatollahs. So no, my reading is not limited to them.
mindfriedo
@anonymous 8.03
“This history, also propagandized in parts where there are significant shia populations attempts to delink Shias from their political (people’s, if you will) history. Much the same way as Jesus (pbuh) was so successfully depoliticized in much of Christianity.”
It does not change the fact that Shias did not rule in the name of Islam. The Shia clergy till Khumaini, did not rule. There were opportunities before, but they did not. There was never any precedent for it.
“You also seem to be judging Iran through the lens of northern Tehran – southern Tehran and vast majority of the country is an entirely different story.”
Another assumption on your part that I may be making an assumption. I have met both, south and north. Being religiously inclined, I got on better with the south. I used to go for walks with young men from the south into the mountains north of Tehran. Even though they were supportive of the regime, they were also balancing what they saw with what they wanted to see.
I have met bazaris, civil servants, doctors, expats, former monarchist, current atheist, fanatically religious, poor merchants from the south, people close to Rafsanjani, close to the regime, close to aspiring candidates, entrepreneurs, currency forgers, “Akhunds,” Christians and Zorastrians, “Torkhas,” Intelligence people, Baluchi Sunnis, Sunnis in Tehran, Corrupt Police Officials, Decent Police Officials, People from the NIOC, people working with Turkmainistan, Iranians working with the Afghans and who met with the US ambassador there, European agriculturist, people trying to sell the Iranians aircraft parts, and people in the provinces as well.
“Add to the nonsense of marg bar Khamenei that a handful of anonymous fools may have shouted that you give so much credibility to, as if they represent anything.”
I used to think so, How could they speak out against a religious authority? But then who chose this authority? And does their opinion matter? Are they not the people of Iran? Do they amount to nothing if they believe in something else?
“When Imam Khamenei asked the nation to stop the green revolution idiocity, they did just that, and no a amount of billins flowing in for empire could change that.”
Yes, I agree. But my belief, based on observance, is that if Khumaini, not Khamenei, were to return, not so many would follow him again. And this should be obvious to you too.
You are getting me wrong. I support the resistance, there is no option now. But if the Shia faith would have remained apolitical, there are a lot of questions that would not have to be answered. There are a lot of issues that force the Religion to become oppressive.
Also power attracts the corrupt. Is there no infighting in Iran over power? Are the religious leaders not behaving in ways that people were critical of before, in other regimes? Previous regimes? Have people not lost faith in religion after they see religion oppressing them?
Contrast this to Sistani. He is respected by everyone. Even the Iranian press has no option but to subdue itself and not be confrontational. His is the Shiaism I’d rather follow
mindfriedo
@anonymous 8.03
“This history, also propagandized in parts where there are significant shia populations attempts to delink Shias from their political (people’s, if you will) history. Much the same way as Jesus (pbuh) was so successfully depoliticized in much of Christianity.”
It does not change the fact that Shias did not rule in the name of Islam. The Shia clergy till Khumaini, did not rule. There were opportunities before, but they did not. There was never any precedent for it.
“You also seem to be judging Iran through the lens of northern Tehran – southern Tehran and vast majority of the country is an entirely different story.”
Another assumption on your part that I may be making an assumption. I have met both, south and north. Being religiously inclined, I got on better with the south. I used to go for walks with young men from the south into the mountains north of Tehran. Even though they were supportive of the regime, they were also balancing what they saw with what they wanted to see.
I have met bazaris, civil servants, doctors, expats, former monarchist, current atheist, fanatically religious, poor merchants from the south, people close to Rafsanjani, close to the regime, close to aspiring candidates, entrepreneurs, currency forgers, “Akhunds,” Christians and Zorastrians, “Torkhas,” Intelligence people, Baluchi Sunnis, Sunnis in Tehran, Corrupt Police Officials, Decent Police Officials, People from the NIOC, people working with Turkmainistan, Iranians working with the Afghans and who met with the US ambassador there, European agriculturist, people trying to sell the Iranians aircraft parts, and people in the provinces as well.
“Add to the nonsense of marg bar Khamenei that a handful of anonymous fools may have shouted that you give so much credibility to, as if they represent anything.”
I used to think so, How could they speak out against a religious authority? But then who chose this authority? And does their opinion matter? Are they not the people of Iran? Do they amount to nothing if they believe in something else?
“When Imam Khamenei asked the nation to stop the green revolution idiocity, they did just that, and no a amount of billins flowing in for empire could change that.”
Yes, I agree. But my belief, based on observance, is that if Khumaini, not Khamenei, were to return, not so many would follow him again. And this should be obvious to you too.
You are getting me wrong. I support the resistance, there is no option now. But if the Shia faith would have remained apolitical, there are a lot of questions that would not have to be answered. There are a lot of issues that force the Religion to become oppressive.
Also power attracts the corrupt. Is there no infighting in Iran over power? Are the religious leaders not behaving in ways that people were critical of before, in other regimes? Previous regimes? Have people not lost faith in religion after they see religion oppressing them?
Contrast this to Sistani. He is respected by everyone. Even the Iranian press has no option but to subdue itself and not be confrontational. His is the Shiaism I’d rather follow
mindfriedo
“mindfriedo…
Yes I agree entirely. That is why I mentioned that those who wished to continue to be in the Taqlid of Khumaini. The rule as far as I remember, is that if I am in the Taqleed of a Marja and he dies, I can continue to follow his rulings even after he is dead provided I was in his Taqleed when he was alive.”
You cannot do the Taqlid of a dead Marja. Period.
Let say you were doing the Taqlid of Grand Ayatollah Khoie and after his death you are doing the Taqlid of his student Ayatollah Sistani, you can follow the ruling of late Khoie as long as there is no new ruling on the same subject by his student Sistani.
Best regards,
Mohamed.
“from India …..
Have you heard about Mulla Nasreddin Khodja?
Do you know what Khoja means?
How many Kashmiris you know who moved to Pakistan after the Partition?
Yes khwaja mean maula or lord. Like Khwaja Moinuddin Chishti.
Actually, his family was settled for about a century in Mumbai before they moved to Pakistan.”
I am an Arab and 61 years old, so I don’t mind calling you mum. ~:)
Mulla Nasreddin Khodja is claimed by many, many countries, even Israel and the Jews claim him these days. He is claimed as far as Russia. The Arabs call him Joha.
The Aga Khanis Ismailis are called, Khoja. A religion like Wahhabis established by our BRITISH MASTERS. Please refer to Aga Khan Case.
I am pretty sure you know who Quaid e Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah who was also a Khoja but a Twelvers. My dad used to know both Quaid e Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah and Aga Khan the 48th Imam. Dad asked the 48th Imam, how you let people worship you, his answer was that they better worship me than cows and idols. Dad was disgusted.
Best regards,
Mohamed.
“mindfriedo…
I found this link regarding their beliefs. It does not show them believing that the Aga Khan is “God” or “Ali.” Please let me know if you have any other site to refer me to:
http://www.momin.com/Books/Shi039ah-26/DIVISION+WITHIN+SHI039ISM-160/Ismailism+and+Its+Branches-3112.html“
I don’t think that you will find very much on the Internet. When I say, they hide behind a skirt, I meant that hide behind Taqiyya by misusing it.
Brother Mindfriedo, I hope that you will take this in a good way. Most of your earlier SITREPs were based on Hasbara. By trying to prove that you are Too Objective, you tend to rely too much on Hasbara. Your job is not to be nice to everyone but to present the TRUTH. If we need Hasbara, we will go BBC, MSN, CNN and so forth. We then don’t need to come here.
The Anonymous brother at 29 July, 2014 08:03 is very much right and you are very harsh on him.
Best regards,
Mohamed.
“mindfriedo…
Politics and rule is dirty, always was, always will be. Unless “run by God.” You live in a particular country and are repulsed by its politicians, because you know how corrupt they are. Similarly, the Iranian know and are repulsed by it. Since you are far and love your religion, you tend to “overlook” their flaws.
Dearest Brother Mindfriedo,
You are a very, very good writer, but I am not sure how to arrived at the above false assumption.
I don’t live in USA, Canada or so forth. I live in a Muslim Country. The King of my country is very much loved by its people. He is a very Benevolent King.
In my country the Shia population is 0.3%, but we have never been persecuted ever. I could live in USA, as my wife of almost 40 years is a WASP from USA. She is now a WASM.
I gave you the hint in one of my earlier post about my country, but seems like you didn’t catch it.
Best regards,
Mohamed.
“mindfriedo…
The Shia Faith has always stood for resistance to injustice. Khumaini did not add to that, he used that fact to fight the Empire.
Imam Khomeini are Iran are nothing but resistancet to both Empire and Israel till today.
What is Hezbollah?
What is Hassan Nasrallah?
Best regards,
Mohamed.
“mindfriedo…
Zamin e Ahu, Who died away from his home, who was poisoned by a tyrant, and who was Yabna RassulAllah, Imam Reza (as) said in his famous Khutba: La Ilaha Ilal Lah is the fort of God, whoever comes within this fort is protected, but this has certain conditions and I am one of those conditions.
So Imam Ali not calling these people apostates is the principle we follow to not commit Takfir. We do not call anybody a Kaffir unless we know somebody is going beyond these two limits. Which if the Nusaris WERE to call Imam Ali God they would be doing. On the other hand the Aga Khanis by not praying are not worse than those people who opposed Ali (as) in Jamal.
Two contradictory statements. Imam Redha (as) is one of those conditions. But Imam Ali (as) is NOT one of those condition. Opposing Imam Ali (as) is OK.
Best regards,
Mohamed.
“mindfriedo…
The extremist groups in Pakistan that enjoy killing Shias were formed as a counter to Khumainis Shia revolution and his desire to export it.
Where did you hear the above Bullshit.
The Wahhabism was exported to Pakistan by Abul A’la Maududi and President Zia ul-Haqq. The Taliban were created by USA and Saudi Arabia for USSR. Then the blow back of Al-Qaeda
Dr. Israr saying Imam Ali (as) was drunk (astaghfirullah), when he lead the prayer and didn’t properly read the Surah al-Kafiroon.
Thus, the Quranic verse, don’t get intoxicated and approach the prayers.
I know many languages, and one of them is Urdu. If you know Urdu, then one of the Highest Sunni Sufi Scholarship replied for 18 hours to Dr. Israr in rebuttal.
Dearest Brother, a REVIVER of Islam comes one a century. He is a revolutionary to be a REVIVER. The Muslims wait for 100 years to access the overall effects of his Revivalism. If the overall effects are good and positive, then he is considered a REVIVER, and given such title.
Best regards,
Mohamed.
“mindfriedo…
Zamin e Ahu, Who died away from his home, who was poisoned by a tyrant, and who was Yabna RassulAllah, Imam Reza (as) said in his famous Khutba: La Ilaha Ilal Lah is the fort of God, whoever comes within this fort is protected, but this has certain conditions and I am one of those conditions.
So Imam Ali not calling these people apostates is the principle we follow to not commit Takfir. We do not call anybody a Kaffir unless we know somebody is going beyond these two limits. Which if the Nusaris WERE to call Imam Ali God they would be doing. On the other hand the Aga Khanis by not praying are not worse than those people who opposed Ali (as) in Jamal.
Is saying Ali is God against La Ilaha Ilal Lah?
How?
What does “Ya Ali Madad” means?
BTW, the above has two meanings.
Best regards,
Mohamed.
Salam brother Mohamed
I’ll try to address your replies quickly. I don’t think this issue will get resolved here.
“In the least form you can think of Wilayat e…”
Let me ask you this.
Baghdad was falling, Sistani gave a fatwa and Baghdad did not fall.
In 2003 people were looting government property, Sistani gave a fatwa, and people returned the property.
Did Sistani have to become a “Guardian of the Guardians” or a “Constitutional Monarch” to do this?
When the Shah of Iran went against the Shia clergy, Bourujardi used to issue fatwas against his policies. The people used to listen.
So what is the need or the precedent of the “GofG” in Shia history? There is none. Please point out to me in more than 1400 years of Shia history, another Shia Islamic government (Not Imam Ali (as), no Shah or Sultan) and I will agree that Khumaini did the right thing.
What Khumaini did, and Bourujardi tried to stop him from doing is make the Shia Islamic faith the basis of political power. This I feel, an assumption based on observance, was not something desirable.
“You cannot do the Taqlid of a dead Marja. Period.”
I would have preferred some source, since I could not find this on Sistani’s page. But thank you.
“I don’t think that you will find very much on the Internet. When I say, they hide behind a skirt, I meant that hide behindTaqiyya by misusing it.”
This is your opinion based on facts that you know. Just as the Prophet Muhammad (sawa) did not punish those that were overtly Muslim, but in truth hypocrites, neither can we.
“Most of your earlier SITREPs were based on Hasbara”
I compile them from all news sources. I believe objectivity is needed or there is no difference. The SITREP in that case would be called propaganda. But, you are free to challenge any line of news and I will reference it for you. I can post a correction on the top the next day, if you can give me references of news sources that contradict the information provided.
“The Anonymous brother at 29 July, 2014 08:03 is very much right and you are very harsh on him”
He had made several arguments. I tried to cover most of them. If you still believe establishing an Islamic government before the Mahdi (atfs) comes is a good thing, then we differ on a political axiom.
“I am not sure how to arrived at the above false assumption”
My bad. You may have other reasons to overlook their flaws other than your “abhorrence” for politicians. I assumed that like most people, you would hate them irrespective of where you lived.
Mindfriedo
“What is Hezbollah?
What is Hassan Nasrallah?”
They continue to be resistance. Continuing in the Shia tradition, like the Marsh Arabs, nothing new. But Hezbollah has also mellowed and moved away from its view of establishing an Islamic state in Lebanon.
“Two contradictory statements. Imam Redha (as) is one of those conditions. But Imam Ali (as) is NOT one of those condition. Opposing Imam Ali (as) is OK.”
Please read the preceding statement. There is no CONTRODICTION. I distinguished between the two things that are needed to be a Muslim, and the conditions that help a Muslim succeed: BUT, Islam requires two things to call a person Muslim. That they believe Allah and his Prophet, other things are conditions that lead you to success. Like the following Hadees:
A person can become a Muslim and fail, even though he believes in Allah and his Prophet. Imam Ali (as) is one of the conditions to succeed, but Imam Reza (as) is equally important, because there is no deviation regarding Imamat after Imam Reza (as). Every Shia sect deviated or chose another path before Imam Reza (as). Those that follow till him, follow the rest. That is why we as 12er Shias turn to Mashad after Salat, that we remember your (Imam Reza’s) words.
“Dearest Brother, a REVIVER of Islam comes one a century. He is a revolutionary to be a REVIVER. The Muslims wait for 100 years to access the overall effects of his Revivalism. If the overall effects are good and positive, then he is considered a REVIVER, and given such title.”
Once again please provide me with a hadees or a reference for this. I have read this before elsewhere as well. But I have not heard this as being said from so and so Imam or from RasulAllah (sawa).
If this is from them I cherish it; if this is a theory of a Muslim thinker in later years, I choose to question it.
“Where did you hear the above Bullshit”
I will try and find sources for you. I want to distinguish between the ineffective Islamic Mujahhidin the Empire established against the USSR (as opposed to the Mujahhidin of Ahmad Shah Masood) and the brutal militias Zia helped set up in Pakistan to counter the Shia.
mindfriedo