According to RT, Zaur Dadaev, who had reportedly confessed involvement in Nemtsov’s murder, said he organized the crime in revenge for the opposition leader’s “negative comments on Muslims and Islam,” according to Rosbalt’s source in law enforcement. Sounds plausible?
Not really. Possible? I suppose so. But plausible?
Zaur Dadaev – who supposedly pulled the trigger – was the deputy commander of the Chechen special operations battalion “Vostok”. Hardly your typical Takfiri freak. Not only that, but Ramzan Kadyrov came pretty close to vouching for him. This is what he wrote in his Instagram:
I knew Zaur as a real patriot of Russia. He served from the very first days of the formation of the regiment which later became part of the 46th Independent Operational Purposes Brigade of the Internal Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation. He had the rank of Lieutenant and the function of Deputy Battalion Commander. Zaur was one of the most fearless and courageous soldiers in the regiment. He especially distinguished himself during the battle near Benoi where a special operation was taking place to destroy a large group of terrorists. He has been awarded the Order of Courage, the medals “For Valor” and “For Service of the Chechen Republic” and a letter of commendation from the President. I am deeply convinced that he was a real patriot and that he was willing to die for is Motherland. I don’t know why is resigned from the ranks of the Internal Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. I was told he explained it by his sick mother. The media now says that Zaur confessed his participation in the murder of Boris Nemtsov. All those who knew Zaur agree that he was a deeply religious person and that he, like all Muslims, was deeply shocked by the events of Charlie Hebdo and by all the supportive comments about the caricatures. I ordered the Head of the Security Council of the Chechen Republic Vakhit Usmaev to conduct a thorough investigation into the resignation of Zaur, to study his behavior and his mood before his departure. In any case, if the court confirms the guilt of Dadaev then by killing a person he committed a grievous crime. But I want to stress again that he could never had done anything against Russia for whom he has risked his life many times over the years. Beslan Shavanov, who died on the previous day during his arrest, was also a courageous warrior. We believe that a thorough investigation will be conducted and that it will show whether Dadaev is really guilt and what his motives were.
I don’t know about you, but this makes no sense to me. Kadyrov has never been shy about condemning misbehaving Chechens or about his categorically uncompromising stance against all forms of terrorism. And yet, in this case, he seems to be harboring the deepest doubts even though Dadaev apparently confessed. Kadyrov does admit that Dadaev was shocked by the events of Charlie Hebdo and the support for the caricatures (of the Prophet) , but at the same time he also finds it unthinkable that Dadaev would do anything which could hurt Russia (which the murder of Nemtsov certainly did). Let’s summarize what Kadyrov says about Dadaev:
- Courageous and even fearless
- Patriotic to the point of sacrificing his life
- Deeply religious
How does any of that fit the Russian TV version about these men killing Nemtsov for money? In my opinion, not at all. However, I suppose that if Dadaev did really believe that Nemtsov was a threat to Russia and/or an enemy of Islam, he could have decided to sacrifice his life to kill the man. After all, his only statement to the media was “I love the Prophet, peace be upon him”.
The problem with that version is that men like Dadaev normally do not act on their own: deeply religious people and soldiers have that in common that they typpically act under guidance of spiritual or military superiors. Did Dadaev fall under the influence of an extremist religious figure? But if that is the case, then how did Chechen counter-intelligence fail to detect that an important Chechen official was having regular contacts with the type of extremists which the Chechens usually ruthlessly suppress? Furthermore, Dadaev did not act alone, but in a group. So how did all these man get involved?
Then there is the gun. A Makarov 9x18mm whose clip was filled with bullets from different factories including 30 year old rounds. Why would a man like Dadaev use such a weapon and, especially, such ammo when he probably had access to pretty much anything he wanted in Chechnia?! Dadaev was certainly expert enough in guns to realize that using such old ammo was a terrible choice (a brand new GSh-18 with modern ammo is what I would expect a Chechen special forces officer to carry)
There is also something very wrong with the statement of Dadaev: sure he loves the Prophet, but if he believed that Nemtsov deserved to die, why not say so in front of the press? And why have all his alleged accomplices remained silent? Why not act like, say, Brevik and proudly explain his actions?!
The day following Nemtsov’s murder I predicted that the FSB would make arrests pretty soon and that I expected them to “find a fall-guy, a patsy, who will have no provable contacts with any western services and who, ideally, might even have some contacts with the Russian services”. Well, Dadaev does have contact with the Chechen security services alright, but for the rest the picture looks far more complicated than just a “crazy lone shooter”.
At this point I will readily admit that I am unable to connect the dots, hopefully somebody else will do better. But until then, I reserve judgment about what really happened.
The Saker
Could it be Kadyrov was saying he would not consider the man guilty until it was conclusively proved, and that until then he would consider him innocent and an honourable Chechen who risked his life defending his country? He doesn’t want to condemn a man who was a trusted associate, possibly a friend, until all the evidence is in and his role confirmed without doubt. That’s fairly routine.
Now, would you really trust Kadyrov?
What if the coup was intent to splash mud on him too? To raise suspicions about him and sour the cozy relationship with Putin?
Indira Ghandi has been assassinated by “Beant Singh who was one of Gandhi’s favorite guards, whom she had known for ten years. The other assassin, Satwant Singh, was 21 years old when the assassination occurred and had been assigned to Gandhi’s guard just five months before the assassination, allegedly in retaliation for the Indian Army’s June 1984 assault on the Golden Temple in Amritsar which left the Sikh temple heavily damaged”. (Wiki). The Sikh uprising of 1984 aiming to create an independent state called Khalistan through acts of violence directed at members of the Indian government, army or forces was a CIA operation.
Plausible.
Yes Sikh terrorism was and is creation of angloamerican spy net work and also work of many treacherous Sikhs inside abd outside india.
Yes, definitely I would trust Kadyrov.
@What if the coup was intent to splash mud on him too?
It looks that way. Suggestion already made:
“Why Nemtsov’s Murder Got Pinned on Chechens”, by Leonard Bershidsky:
“Perhaps coincidentally, Putin signed a decree today awarding Kadyrov the Order of Merit “for work-related achievements and an active public role.” The Russian president doesn’t seem to mind he was honoring a man who had praised Nemtsov’s suspected murderer, after his arrest, as a “fearless, courageous serviceman”.
It seems safe to say that, as long as Kadyrov runs Chechnya for Putin, the Russian leader will have an unending supply of loyal cut-throats available to fight where Russia isn’t doing any official fighting, whether in the Russian capital or in eastern Ukraine. (There have been well-substantiated reports of Kadyrov’s fighters helping Ukraine’s anti-Kiev rebels.)
The shooting of a Putin opponent by a Kadyrov underling has probably brought the sovereign and vassal closer together. Putin’s enemies are Kadyrov’s, too, after all. Just don’t suggest they’ve coordinated a hybrid war on the streets of Moscow. Their supporters would say it’s all just a coincidence. Those Chechens can be hotheaded, you know”.
@http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-03-09/why-nemtsov-s-murder-got-pinned-on-chechens
It still may be that Nemtsov knew too much for his own good about the murky world of Chechen underground and its relations with some Intelligence agencies and oligarchs, which arm them to fight in Iraq and Syria masquerading as ISIS, training them to be re-launched in Chechnia. All killed journalists were about to make revelations of some kind about ”something”.
The puzzle is getting more puzzling… Is it possible someone was “doing Russia a favor” à la Aesop’s bear guarding a hermit – a case plain stupidity that is?… Group stupidity of some fanatics (“religion is the opium…”)?… Or those are some turncoats – and Kadyrov won’t admit it publicly for the sake of internal Chechen unity?…
Saker is right, nothing seems to fit.
Easy solution.
Kremlin knows all about 9-11
Kremlin knows all about MH-17
Kremlin knows all about Maidan
Kremlin knows all about Odessa
Kremlin knows all about every possible conspiracy on the planet.
Rest easy.
The Kremlin knows.
Lamont Cranston is the holder of all the secrets, though he goes by many names.
“Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts men?”
The Shadow (Kremlin) does.
“I don’t know why is resigned from the ranks of the Internal Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. I was told he explained it by his sick mother.”
The CIA has something on this guy that he cannot deal with. As well he is not all that averse to killing Nemtsov for other reasons.
“A Makarov 9x18mm whose clip was filled with bullets from different factories including 30 year old rounds.”
The CIA overdoing it because they are just so tricky. ;)
A stretch, for sure, but I can just smell em’. Been running gestalt on the internet since the 90s.
“The CIA has something on this guy that he cannot deal with”
ISIL
Could be. Courage is not necessarily a defence against blackmail. The hold could have been on a loved one rather than the man himself, for instance. And for that matter, physical courage is not necessarily the same as social courage; a person who can take a death threat without flinching may wilt at the thought of the ridicule and disdain from certain kinds of secrets getting out.
Or maybe he didn’t do it and some investigator/s are playing some kind of game. Maybe the point is a propaganda-oriented one: They decided that rather than officially finger whatever American assets did it and denounce the US, which the western media would automatically rubbish loudly, they’d blame Muslim terror and watch the English-language media tie itself in knots trying to claim that Muslim terrorists killing people is implausible today, please forget all we’ve been saying for years about how Da Mooselimbs Are Behind Everything. So they used this guy because he’s loyal and can be counted on to say whatever he’s supposed to say, and the plan is to wait a year or so and then quietly extract him from jail once nobody’s paying attention any more.
…agree with you, Dear Saker…
“VERY” rare all this “stuff”, my friend… I don´t like it.
Kind regards..!
Dear The Saker,
Yes something isn’t right when you see and read what Kadyrov has said. What are false flags? – events that are not what they seem and are done to benefit the perpatrators…..
The FSB and police want this to be the official story to the public. The patsy’s are going along with it – they have their reasons. Smoke and mirrors.
Rgds,
Veritas
Veritas, you might be right !!! I wonder what Dadvaev’s punishment will be ??? A few years in easy prison life and then ???
Yes this is my impression too. He didn’t do it but he will take the fall for his country.
Maybe (beware: wild speculation) the reason is: (1) the real perp is a foreign governmental actor. To acknowledge this would be to acknowledge an act of war against Russia (assassination of a former deputy head of state). (2) the real perp is a senior official inside the Kremlin. To acknowledge this would be to acknowledge the illegitimacy of the current government. To avoid either scenario, a scapegoat must be found.
(3) The real culprit is known but these guys were arrested as willing patsies (except the guy who died …. but maybe that was before he was let in on the plan?) so that the real culprit, who is now under intense surveillance, tips his hand.
Will be interesting to see if any other chess pieces are moved in the coming weeks …..
CalDre, I agree that the real investigation is undercover. How stupid would it be to announce your every move? And most of the media are stupid enough to either go along with the official version or engage in their own wild speculation. Whatever gets the clicks.
One of my favorite news sites had an interesting report last week. I imagine someone has linked to it already, but can’t hurt to repeat. I don’t know of any other reporter who has pointed out something so obvious that we’re looking right through it: Nemtsov was not wearing a coat, scarf, boots, or gloves, when everyone else was all bundled up. What does that tell you? He was NOT EXPECTING TO WALK HOME, nor did he plan on being outside for long — certainly not for the half-hour walk back to his apartment.
http://johnhelmer.net/?p=12873
One more thing: Does anyone know what happened to his driver — the one he “dismissed” when he entered GUM? What did Nemtsov say to him? Was he expecting him to come back, and for “some reason,” he failed to show up? Or did he give him the rest of the evening off and tell him he’d take a cab home? It’s an important detail. If he gave his driver the night off and didn’t even keep a coat with him, there’s something very wrong with this picture. What are the odds that he sacrificed himself for “the cause?” No, it’s more likely that he agreed to something, but either that something went wrong, or he was double-crossed.
I agree with another poster that this whole thing is really sad, and I was very disturbed by the videos and photos of him lying in a crumpled heap, left uncovered and exposed for so long while poked and prodded, gawked at, and subjected to harsh judgment and hatred. Regardless of how much of a sleazebag he might have been, we need to remember our humanity and sense of decency.
If any western services might be involved in the murder of Nemzow – and also – if Russian services might know about this involvment there could be a crude ration in presenting this scenario:
There could be a deal between both sides – an western services (or government) have to pay the price.
Otherwise – following the accusations of western media (but – very intersting – not the officials) – if ther were any involvment of Kremlin insiders it woul be no clever idea to present a former serviceman as the probable killer of a well-known anti-Kremlin politician.
Indeed looks a bit miraculous.
It could be interesting to reflect the behavior of wesertn services / governments.
Look for what is “Brainwashing”. The men´s face say it all…
How’s this, Saker:
The FSB finds the real culprits, who lead to proof that the hit was ordered by agents of US/Israel/Uk–any combination thereof. He keeps it under wraps. Secretly offers a deal the anglozionists cannot refuse: Lift sanctions and we’ll keep mum or we’ll expose you. Deal is made. Patsies are found and Kadyrov obliges with cockamamie story about “Charlie”, so he gets a medal. Germany immediately declares that there are clear signs that the “aggression” against Ukraine has stopped–which means no reasons for sanctions. All decry terrorism.
Maybe — but if so, I think that Kremlin would have asked for something much more important than lifting sanctions…
The obvious thing to ask for is survival / viability / defanging of Ukraine.
Maybe this guy was desperate for money. Or emotionally desperate and vulnerable (he looks it). So say he DID do it. There is probably a web of people involved that he has no clue about. He could have been fed any reason at all.
I agree with a couple of other commentors – the Kremlin knows or will know and Kadyrov was probably trying to stick up for a friend til proven guilty. He left the possibility of guilt open.
This story is very weird and hard to believe. Since the suspects are known to the public, why not release some more video evidence (the recording based on which claims were made that suspects looked as being from south Russia) ?
The timing is also very unusual: why precisely before the big rally ? The events in Paris took place quite some time ago.
There should be video evidence showing how the killer is planted on that spot on the bridge minutes before Nemtsov arrived. Or was the killer in he in the garbage/cleaning truck ?
One really wild hypothesis: what if Russia is deliberately presenting these fake suspects as part of a smokescreen to protect another real investigation that is presumably very dangerous ? You might want to do that in order to baffle the real perpetrators for a while.
In parallel, some other strange fact: FortRuss is attacking Strelkov really bad, they even insinuate there might be a connection between him and this killing.
I could see that – smokescreen.
But then you have the suspect who blew himself up with a grenade which may blow the smokescreen theory.
so they say…
Did anybody confirmed or saw that explosion ? We have just some press releases from officials.
My neighbor just blew himself up 5 minutes. Do you believe me ?
In these days with so many manufactured news, I became really skeptical about what to believe or not. With all the power of computer technology, even videos or pictures can be created to look as if they were real.
Maybe the one that committed suicide had info that would be dangerous if it came out. Maybe he was killed.
The official explanation.
That FortRuss article is from a Strelkov hater in the Russian press.Its an example of the toxic politics in Russia.One of the “centrists” trying to tar both the 5th column and nationalists together at one time with one blow.They got an earful in the comments over it too.
A question, somehow on a different topic, but not that disconnected: does anybody know what are the top semiconductors producers in Russia ? So far I know about Mikron and Angstrem.
How dependent is Russia on getting their high-tech semiconductors from abroad ? If the answer is “a lot”, then that makes them very dependent and vulnerable to the west. And this might explain why they can’t cut all the commercial ties.
Mikron seems to be the oldest one and has factories that can produce in the 65 nm technology (obtained in 2011 from ST Microelectronics, an european giant).
Angstrem-T has about 1600 employees and some factories trying the 90nm technology (compare that with Intel being at 22nm). Their technology seems to be supplied by AMD, an american company.
Another one I discovered is called Sitronics, but it seems to be the same as Mikron.
And just came across a very small one called Milandr (less than 200 employees).
Does anybody know who manufactures the radars for quiding the russian missiles ? What about the other electronic modules used in various modern weapons ?
I feel really sorry to hear this sad news. Dadaev sounds like a great person, and yes, Nemtsov does not seem ‘bad’ enough for a sacrifice of that magnitude. And this weird gun, full of strange bullets…I don’t fully understand this either.
You say ‘supposedly’ confessed…
Is the fifth column in charge of the detention of Dadaev ? Or is it Putin himself in command here ?
His duty requires him to accept responsibility for a crime he did not commit.
He has made the desired results of the false flag assasination,( attacks on Putin, unending controversy, assinations within Russia by outside nepharious actors), null and void. By sacrificing himself and his men, and saving his Russia that accepts Islam, and revenging the Hebro false flag fiasco (gains standing with Muslims). This positions Russia favorably to have reasons to prepare for more Zionst attacks from ISIL et al in Islamic areas of Russia.
Very important not to acknowlege any outside CIA Saudi Israeli connections.
A home grown affair quickly solved by Russian authority is the narrative, however false. u$a style propoganda in reverse.
Putin will figure out the apropriate response.
All I can say is the official version stinks to high heaven.
Anyone want to buy the Moskvoretsky bridge? Going for a firesale price.
I don’t have nearly enough information to do it, but this sounds like a good time to do some ‘matrix’ thinking with alternative narratives, with trees.
For example Nemtsov was killed OR the murder was faked. Follow each assumption with other possibilities.
Dadaev killed him (whoever it was) or he didn’t.
If not then who did and why did he confess?
Was he dedicated to Russia or otherwise willing to make a sacrifice to cover up or delay the
true story.
If he did then why, and who was he working for?
What possible reasons might necessitate a cover up?
Whoever did it can’t be exposed because of international ramifications.
Some other factors in the hit which are not known
It’s part of a larger, high stakes, operation
Etc. Examine all possible narratives, lay them out in a chart, and see what evidence or logic exists for each of them, and assign likelihood for each alternative.
Dear Saker:
It is sure very puzzling. It is also very puzzling why Mr. Navalny (whatever) was acting the way he was acting before the Protest day March the 1st as Starikov has mentioned. And he was ended up in a Jail and just after the Protest day he was released. Isn’t it puzzling? He might be smelling something abt his life and safest place he found was the Jail. I guess. Moreover, in a way Mr Zaur might have done a big favour to Russia and indeed he is a PATRIOT. Mr Putin and Kadyrov both are perfectly in sync. I don’t see any problem there. It is just my opinion in short.
Regds
Sanjay
This too good to wait for it to show on the other thread.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31794523
https://www.rusi.org/downloads/assets/201503_BP_Russian_Forces_in_Ukraine_FINAL.pdf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igor_Sutyagin
Igor was swapped for Anna Chapman and 9 others.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegals_Program
Forget that 30,000 Russian troops NATO estimate, it was 90,000 and being rotated into Ukraine to prevent defeat by Kiev forces. Morale for both Russian troops and ‘seperatists’ was an issue apparently.
Looks like the gf might not have liked poor Boris as much as he liked her….but i could be wrong
I’ll stick to the theory that this is a provocation by western intel agencies.
I think the police really believe, and have enough evidence to convince them, that these are the guys that did it. I don’t think the police would lie about that. If they wanted to, they would have shot them all rather than arrest them.
It is likely that Dadaev was recruited into the plot, in the same manner that FBI sting recruitment of “terrorists” works in the US. The FBI gets an “informant” to find a suitable muslim candidate(s) for recruitment, preferably at a mosque. Then the informant in collaboration with the FBI comes up with a terrorist plot and convinces the candidate to carry it out, as his own idea. This process of converting some generally disaffected individual into an FBI created and designed terrorist can take months of persuasion and psychological manipulation. Nonetheless the FBI notches up lots of terrorist arrests this way.
So Dadaev may actually believe that the idea to kill Nemtsov was his and that he put the plot together when in reality it was all suggested to him. Thus the gun, bullets, when, where, how and the reason may all have been somebody else’s idea, carefully fed to Dadaev over months.
ngoyo. I think you’ve got one stage of it. There’s the shooter(s), who in this case think they’re doing a good deed (plus they’re being paid for it). Then there’s the Intermediary-Organizer who persuades them and serves as middleman between them and the Customer (Western power).
According to the articles on Fort Russ blog the Intermediary-Organizer was Aslan Alkhanov, who of course has been suicided. Customer appears to be Dmitry Yarosh, agent of CANVAS. (CANVAS is a school for the West’s personel who are to be used in color revolutions). But of course Ukraine is only a puppet, and the Western Customer has acted through Vanguard asset management personnel.
http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/03/from-chechens-to-right-sector-to-canvas.html
Article begins: March 8, 2015
Tatyana Volkova @ pravosudija.net
Translated by Kristina Rus
Tatyana Volkova’s blog is banned in Ukraine and she claims to have insider sources “among friends and family”. She also claims that Nemtsov’s murder investigators found the killers thanks to her tip about Aslan Alkhanov. This is her take on Nemtsov’s murder. KR
I think Kolomoisky is also linked to Vanguard.
OT
Scotland Yard Chief Wants to Install CCTV Cameras in Every Home
I suspect the sod means setting up the cameras in the bathrooms and bedrooms of every home, and considering the source, especially the bedrooms of the young male occupants, and hooking these up to central locations easily accessible to his fellow traveling employers to monitor and record.
Very true. Not only that but these live feeds of teenage boys in their bedrooms and bathrooms will be directly linked to the British regime, British royal family, and the BBC (not to mention the CIA, White House, and US Congress).
We all know how the Anglo Americans just love underage males!
And what about a possibility of a manipulation …Dadaev might think he was in mission for Russia, instead of that he had been manipulated by western or ukrainian secret service…?
This theory stands out to me right now.
Why?
“Putin signs bill allowing removal of NGOs from ‘foreign agents’ list”
http://rt.com/politics/239137-putin-ngo-agents-list-removal/
because of 82% support.
because they wash the streets after ngo’s have protest (can’t find the pictures, but as they washed the streets of moscow in 1945 and donetsk in august 2014, so they washed moscow streets again after ngo’s paraded in september 2014.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=0cz7A2bxU4Y#t=26
and nobody is inhalling ngo odors anymore.
Thanks for your reply – but i’m not sure what you mean.
As per example comments below the RT article, i’m worried about this:
“Leaders of the country do mistake.This mistake of permiting foreign funded NGOs the freedom to act as per the wishes of
their masters abroad is one mistake the RUSSIANS will regret.”
but rather hope it is this:
“It is my reading of the situation that this amendment to the law will simply make it a more precise tool for dealing with NGOs. Some of which, as stated, are reasonably innocent of the charge of subversion.”
and am hoping for further useful clarification/analysis.
It is mistake in my opinion. They shouldn’t show any mercy for them.
That’s a mistake . I am for throwing them out ….. who needs them ? What’s the limit on how many are allowed to spread BS in Russia ? Russia is dealing with criminals in charge that have and endless pocket full of fake money to buy , corrupt , deceive the victims . Things might change , the USA government is spending another 20 millions in propaganda and people are fickle . Today’s approval rating of Putin are over 80 %, but who knows tomorrow ?
It could simply be that a group of ex-Chechen fighters were paid for the murder. They maybe great soldiers but not great assasins, hence they were captured very quickly. When important people die we sometimes find it hard to believe that this could happen without some high-level conspiracy.
great soldiers with dodgy bullets?
Murderer have chosen older gun, because it is hard to trace its owner – probably it is not registered one. You can easily dump gun with old ammo and even if police will find it, they will unable to recognise the shooter.
If he have used modern russian pistol special forces would catch him easily. I don;t thnik that there is many of these pistols and most of them are not in the hands of private collectors.
He could act alone with such a old weapon. It could be private revenge.
RIGHT. PLUS:
http://blog.cheaperthandirt.com/makarov/
[… W]hile inexpensive by modern standards, the pistol isn’t
cheaply made, far from it. Those in the know regard The Makarov
as one of the finest small-caliber self-loaders ever made. It
will out-shoot more expensive handguns and never seems to break
or malfunction.
Another advantage of the Makarov is the safety. The Makarov
safety is quickly manipulated with a moderate amount of practice
because it operates properly, down for off safe. The double
action trigger is smooth enough that good work may be done at
close range. Once the first shot is taken in the double action
mode the slide cocks the hammer for subsequent single action
shots. The single action trigger is crisp and allows excellent
practical accuracy. It isn’t unusual for the Makarov to group
five shots into less than three inches at a long 25 yards.
Etc.
Addendum
Given the location ricochets shouldn’t have been an issue either.
[Who knows, maybe one reason out of many to not shoot/*finishing*
him in the head, another one being, perhaps, maintaining a
minimum of *photogenicity*]
The murder of Nemtsov and subsequent framing of Dedaev can be seen as a sort of peace offering trying to effect a synthesis between atlanticists and minimalist Russian patriots who seek to accomplish what Kemal Ataturk did in Turkey. Given the current political climate, this outcome is the best that John C. Tefft can hope for.
re:Nemtsov assassination: yes, agreed, this Chechen connection is confusing and is the tip of the iceberg but there will be more to follow . Follow the money Who financed and ordered those young guys who cruised into Grozny a month or so ago and shot the place up before they were taken down?
Radical Islam is a CIA-Saudi financed business. Kadyrov and Putin both need to watch their backs as this whole world scenario is part of a long thought out and played out scenario. Throw in Russian Mafia types who will make opportunistic deals with anyone and you have a strange mix indeed.
More will be revealed.
> deeply religious people and soldiers have that in common that
they typ[p]ically act under guidance of spiritual or military
superiors
?!
http://islam.about.com/od/prayer/tp/Imam.htm
[… T]here is no clergy in Islam. Muslims believe in a DIRECT
connection with the Almighty, WITHOUT need of an intercessor. The
imam^1 is SIMPLY a leadership position, for which someone is
hired or selected from among the community members. Etc.
[… A]mong Shia Muslims, the concept of an imam takes on a more
central clerical position. They believe that their specific imams
were chosen by God to be perfect examples for the faithful. They
must be followed, since they were appointed by God and are free
from sin. This belief is rejected by the majority of Muslims
(Sunni). Etc.
1. Imam means “to stand in front of” in Arabic
Дадаев уволился из Внутренних войск МВД на следующий день после убийства Немцова (Dadaev resigned from the Interior Ministry troops the day after the murder Nemtsov)
According to this article, Dadaev went on a 30 day leave starting 27 Jan. 2015, then resigned on 28 Feb. 2015 when that leave was done. I was under the mistaken impression Dadaev had resigned much earlier, like several years ago.
One possibility behind it all is drugs and drug trafficking. That would be a source of untraced money suitable for lavish lifestyles. Batman had clamped down on drug smuggling through Lugansk and one hypothesis makes that the reason for his murder. As a side effect, that murder also caused or enhanced splits within the LNR.
This yandexed link goes into it in some detail.
https://z5h64q92x9.net/proxy_u/ru-en.en/4pera.ru/news/picture_of_the_day/bednova_betmena_zakazala_narkomafiya/
This second link lists reasoning behind a possible drugs channel involving Chechens and Nemtsov. If this is true and a link to Nemtsov could be established, that would be a major blow to the western-financed ‘opposition’ stance against corruption.
http://fortruss.blogspot.co.nz/2015/03/nemtsov-in-caucasian-knot-chechens.html
Dear Saker, in this concrete case, you’ve taken over surprisingly much of western terminology and now you are pretty confused. Try to use for Nemtsov correct word “traitor” instead of confusing “opposition politician, liberal”, “execution” instead of “murder”, remember his comrades Saakashivilli and Kolomoyski (their plans on Caucasian war), find some of his lies on Chechen nation etc. and you will see this event as only possibility for group of honest, brave Chechen warriors. Nemtsov death is ill timed for Russia but it doesn’t mean it’s bad for Russia per se. It’s very good all “Charlies” lost their feeling of invincibility stemming from false idea Putin must and Putin can protect them everywhere. And anglo sionists needn’t dead Nemtsov for blaming Russia from everything under Sun.
To modus operandi: acting Chechens obviously wanted to insulate their act from Putin and Kadyrov as much as possible. That’s why they had strange weaponry and ammunition – it had to be clear nothing of it is from GRU, OMON, Spetsnaz… arsenals.
Add all the gossip you know about Nemtsov in the mix, and there is not a soul left in the world without a motive. From his private life, his intimate connections to Ukraine, to conspiracies claiming he was a ‘Kremlin spy’. There certainly isn’t any lack of opportunity to spin your own story on how, and why this went down.
I’m very much a ‘fact-type-of-guy’. If they arrested this Dadaev, and they are able to prove their case in court, while he actually admits he did it, I’d say: Cheers! Well done! Keep up the good work!
Which doesn’t imply there couldn’t be a ‘plan’ behind it running deep and wide. With various options to play chess on the Grand Chessboard Brzezinski is so fond of. But don’t hold your breath while waiting for the definitive version if that is actually the case. Volumes are still being written on how the US ended up bombing North Vietnam; what happened at the decision making level when the USS Liberty was attacked; and until what moment in time bin Laden was a ‘friend’. Not to mention who knew that this WMD-thing that started the second Iraq-war was an utter lie; who ‘did’ Ghouta; and what Stevens was doing in Benghazi.
No doubt on my mind that Putin and Xi are playing ‘ball’ too.
But let’s stick to the evidence. One step at a time. Don’t rush into this unlit room without a proper plan. And keep asking Cui Bono? But don’t hesitate to accept that there are some pretty weird people around, who WILL kill to avenge their Savior. Without regret. And brag about it. Hell! A guy who was supposed to be a ‘moderate’ actually feasted on the intestines of soldiers he killed!
Give a guy the proper amount of HeadCandy, and he is capable of unimaginable horror. So, I suggest: Let this guy talk! Question the others. But watch you ‘six’!
Hmm … not that this latest (10 March 2015) news makes things any clearer…
According to http://lenta.ru/news/2015/03/10/lefortovo/ and http://www.mk.ru/politics/2015/03/10/zaur-dadaev-rasskazal-v-sizo-o-svoem-zaderzhanii-i-dele-nemcova.html , the three Chechens arrested in Nemtsov’s killing, Zaur Dadaev and two Gubashev brothers, now claim that they are innocent!
Zaur Dadaev and Shagid Gubashev also claim that they were subjected to physical violence while in detention. Says Gubashev: He and his brother were detained in Malgobek (Ingushetia) in the night of 6-7 March (where they came from Chechnya immediately upon hearing about Dadaev’s detention), and without any explanation, bags were placed over their heads, and they were driven in an unknown direction. After which they were twice beaten while being told to confess to killing Nemtsov. Upon which they were flown to Moscow. Dadaev claims to have spent two days and nights with shackled arms and legs and a bag over his head. (Etc., etc…)
I think maybe your source for the ill treatment of the suspects is a part of the attemt to destabilize Russia. MANY news sources inside Russia are stil Western owned or controlled and biased in their coverage.
CRT makes the point that no actual instability occurred & therefore that wasn’t the intent & so it wasn’t done by a Western source. At least 2 non sequiturs here.
Here the only source of the claim of ill treatment of those suspects is – the suspects themselves! And of course, any suspect, guilty or not, would like to get off – hence such claims of innocence, police cruelty etc. in themselves carry no information whatsoever. Here, just a public curiosity – Dudaev first confessed, now “changed his mind”.
As for those two news outlets.
MK (“Московский Комсомолец” = The Moscow Member of Soviet Communist Youth) is definitely not western-leaning! It merely had its correspondent interview the suspects.
In stark contrast, Lenta (“Лента” = Tape, presumably telegraphic news tape from olden times), which claims (:-!) to be independent, is owned by a filthy rich “Russian” oligarch Alexander Mamut, former advisor to Yeltsin, 42nd rank on Forbes’ list of 200 fattest cats in Russia (of Jewish persuasion … what else ;-)). However, here it only carried over that news item from MK…
If the facts don’t neatly fit any of your theories of the world, maybe it’s time to check your premises.
The first assumption that strikes me as unreliable is that foreign intelligence services were really that eager to have Nemtsov killed. Of course, it has created some bad press for Russia and Putin, and a volatile atmosphere domestically. But noone could expect that this single death would change anything in the bigger scheme of things, and its long-term effects are quite small. Putin will even score some law-and-order points if the investigation yields a quick result. Western attention has already shifted to Jeremy Clarkson and dead French sportsmen. The only long-term palpable effect is more fear in Russia, an effect which will make organising opposition more difficult. None of this is unexpected, so why would anyone organise an elaborate conspiracy with multiple levels of cover-ups to kill Nemtsov, and ferret up a large bunch of fake killers who partly confess and blow themselves up?
For the time being, all evidence suggests that the killer and his assistants acted largely autonomously. The fact that so many of them are relatives support the conclusion that they planned the thing themselves. If Kadyrov has been presented with these facts (I believe he had a more extensive briefing on the investigation than us), he would of course abandon his earlier statement about a CIA plot and comment on the story as it now stands. Since Nemtsov’s killing did not actually produce any disturbances in Russia, it looks less like a provocation and more like a simple crime, perhaps committed from idealist positions.
@The first assumption that strikes me as unreliable is that foreign intelligence services were really that eager to have Nemtsov killed
Foreign intelligence services are eager to harm Russia in any possible way, directly or through elaborate scheme meant to sow confusion and suspicion.
In any variant the perpetrators were patsies. The fact that they can be made to appear as “idealists”, “profoundly religious people” (Islamist of course) suggests that they could have been easily manipulated (Islamists are generally easily inflammable people). Link them with the huge demonstrations in Grozny against Charlie Hebdo (which clearly have been organized by Kadyrov) and you have Putin friend of the killers of Charlie, the real mastermind of the “attacks on free-speech” and killing of courageous “dissidents”.
You see another line quickly developing. The retraction of Dadayev has activated the Human Rights Violation in Chechnya Scenario.
If this sounds like taken from a spy novel, it is because it is taken from a parody of the spy novel genre, “Shibumi”, the popular novel published in 1979, written by Trevanian, a pseudonym of Rodney William Whitaker, an American academic who remained mysterious throughout most of his life. Set in the 1970s details the struggle between the “Mother Company”, a conspiracy of energy companies that secretly controls much of the western world, and a highly skilled assassin, Nicholaï Hel, son of a Russian aristocrat refugee in Shanghai and raised in China and Japan by a Japanese General, lover of his mother. Arrested by the American occupation force, he is eventually recruited by the CIA, in desperate need of an agent able to cause severe discord between Russia and China. It needs someone who has nothing to lose, who has European features, and who can speak fluent Chinese and Russian.
“It went like this: The American intelligence community was worried about a Soviet/Chinese coalition, despite the fact that there were many grounds for dispute between them – matters of boundaries, ideology, unequal industrial development, racial mistrust. The Think Tank boys came up with a plan to exploit their underlying differences and break up any developing union. They proposed sending an agent into Peking to kill the head of the Soviet commission and plant incriminating directives from Moscow. The Chinese would think the Russians had sacrificed one of their own to create an incident as an excuse for breaking off negotiations. The Soviets, knowing better, would think the Chinese had made the hit for the same reason. And when the Chinese brought out the incriminating directives as evidence of Russian duplicity, the Soviets would claim that Peking had manufactured the documents to justify their cowardly attack. The Chinese, knowing perfectly well that this was not the case, would be confirmed in their belief that the whole thing was a Russian plot”….The little stumbling bock to the ingenious plot…was finding an agent who knew enough Chinese to move through the country under cover, who could pass for a Russian when necessity arose, and who was willing to take on a job that had slight chance of success, and almost no chance for escape after the hit was made”.
Amusingly, the book is structured as a (Great) Game of Go!
Is that a case of life imitating fiction? That what the “Think Tank boys” really aim at is the deterioration of the Russian-Chechen, Putin-Kadyrov idyll? More, of Russian-Islamic cooperation?
This interview raises even more questions
http://www.mk.ru/politics/2015/03/10/zaur-dadaev-rasskazal-v-sizo-o-svoem-zaderzhanii-i-dele-nemcova.html
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The articles I have read suggest that the CIA through a corporation called Vanguard Asset Management, in concert with an organisation called CANVAS, used its subsidiary PMCs to contract this assassination via Dmitry Yarosh and Aslan Alkhanov/Beslan Chavannes (who are Chechen). The plot was organised in such as way that the shooters thought they were eliminating an enemy of Russia. It was crafted so as to provide a “Muslim extremism” fallback position. While this foreign connection has been well-established (by the speed with which the assassins were discovered through camera footage and cellphone traffic and a tip coming out of Ukraine), the Kremlin is apparently allowing the “Muslim extremism” position to become the official story. It is posited that the truth was traded for advantage elsewhere.
Does this sound plausible to you? What possible advantage could be greater than causing those responsible to face charges in the United States?
There are many apparently Russian-usage terms that I don’t completely understand. Perhaps you could help the readership with them. They include: customer, curator, organiser, and lastly mediator. I understand what is meant by performer.
Also, supposedly Vanguard personnel got in touch with the investigation and gave up the hit team in order to nip the investigation in the bud. Can you explain the logic of this? If there is clear/solid evidence of CANVAS and Vanguard involvement why would Russia not do all in its power to make the world aware?
Nemtsov might have been planning something and was ordered to be killed by Kadyrov? Or false orders was given to Zaur?
Maybe Netmsov will cause more harm alive than dead…..
Suspects claim tortured to confess and they are innocent
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31829723
apparently lots going on today wed March 11th,, claims of torture to participants, now retractions of confessions by Dadayev??:
a suspect in the murder of political activist Boris Nemtsov, has pledged his innocence.
“They kept shouting: “Did you kill Nemtsov?” I was telling them that I did not. I thought they would bring me to Moscow and I would tell the court the entire truth about my innocence. Yet the judge did not give me a chance to speak,” the newspaper Moskovsky Komsomolets quoted Dadayev as saying on its website.
“I was fighting crime for eleven years and protecting the interests of Russia but I was not even allowed to speak up because I did not have time to study the Criminal Code,” he said, adding that he was treated “humanely and with respect” at the Lefortovo detention center.
Dadayev admitted his involvement in Nemtsov’s murder on March 8, Judge Natalia Mushnikova said as she was reading out an order on his arrest.”
russia insider.
And :
Dadaev provided no comment at court but asked for a fair trial.
“They were crying all the time: ‘Did you kill Nemtsov?’ I answered no. At the moment of detention I was with my friend, my former subordinate Ruslan Yusupov. They told me they would let him free if I confess. I agreed. I thought I will save him and will be taken to Moscow alive… I thought as soon as I am in Moscow I will tell court the truth. That I am not guilty. But the judge did even let me speak,” the Moskovsky Komsomolets quotes Dadaev as saying. ”
http://www.sott.net/article/293684-Main-suspect-in-Nemtsov-murder-case-retracts-confession
– http://rbth.co.uk/news/2015/03/11/zaur_dadayev_retracts_nemtsov_murder_confession_44374.html) etc etc…….eg March 11. /TASS/. Three suspects in Russian politician Boris Nemtsov’s murder — Zaur Dadayev, Anzor Gubashev and Shagid Gubashev — deny guilt, head of Moscow’s Public Monitoring Commission Anton Tsvetkov said on Wednesday.
“All three [suspects] deny guilt at the moment,” Tsvetkov said.
March 11. /TASS/. Reports claiming that the three suspects held over the killing of Russian opposition politician Boris Nemtsov have been beaten cannot be yet confirmed, the chairman of the Moscow Public Monitoring Commission, Anton Tsvetkov, said on Tuesday.
The Moskovsky Komsomolets newspaper reported earlier in the day that the members of the Public Monitoring Commission, who had met with Zaur Dadaev, Anzor and Shagid Gubashevs at Moscow’s Lefortovo detention center, found “traces of torture and beating” on their bodies.
, March 10. /TASS/. Khamzat Bakhaev, one of the suspects in Russian opposition politician Boris Nemtsov’s murder has appealed his arrest, his lawyer Sofia Rubasskaya told TASS on Tuesday.
“Yes, we have appealed the arrest of my client,” Rubasskaya said.
Still I wonder if there is anything in those Canvas connections Serbia-USA……..just feel there is whole lot more somewhere, eg is in very mixed fortruss article re Caucasian drug conections/cartels……..is Kadyrov correct??
Of course, the explanation that he did it for his prophet is totally ridiculous. Nemtsov wasn’t the only one who stood up for Charlie Hebdo.
But it is of course a very handy excuse. It is very actual and the whole world at once (after one sentence) can swallow it. It is so simple, that this reason is a showstopper for any other explanation.
As I wrote earlier: if this was the case, the killers would have given the message to the whole world. What is an action like that without the bragging and publicity? Nothing.
Now, after his arrest, he comes up with this reason for his actions. In other words, he is using the loophole that the investigators provided him with.
This was from Tass :
Main Nemtsov Murder Case Suspect Retracts Confession
Zaur Dadev says was pressured into admitting guilt
“They were crying all the time: ‘Did you kill Nemtsov?’ I answered no. At the moment of detention I was with my friend, my former subordinate Ruslan Yusupov. They told me they would let him free if I confess. I agreed. I thought I will save him and will be taken to Moscow alive… I thought as soon as I am in Moscow I will tell court the truth. That I am not guilty. But the judge did even let me speak,” the Moskovsky Komsomolets quotes Dadaev as saying.”
http://russia-insider.com/en/2015/03/11/4346
The whole job appears to be a brilliant attack upon Putin: first they hit and sanctified Nemstov, who was becoming an embarrassment for Russian liberals; then, they set up a friend of the most trusted friend of President Putin, Ramzan Kadyrov. The FSB fell for it, and now they cannot admit it’s a frame-up.
Reminds me of Allen Dulles sending in an American communist to Prague, after tipping the Russians that an agent was coming. I remember the 1949 Dulles phrase, “And now the comrades are happily killing each other.”
Saker, I’m sure you have read all the articles and blogs about the Nemtsov murder, as have I. What I don’t understand are the Russian terms used in discussing cases such as this. The words ‘cutator’ ‘customer’, ‘intermediary’, ‘organiser’, and ‘performer’ are thrown around a great deal, and only the last in the list is entirely clear. Can you please explain what Russians understand these terms to mean?
From all that I have read, The United States government, through its CIA and private CIA Vanguard Corporation, activated CANVAS (an NGO in eastern Europe), which got in touch with Dmitry Yarosh and his circle, who eventually contracted Aslan Alkhanov and Beslan Chavannes to hire gunmen (who happen to be Chechen or from Ingushetia). This had the added benefit of providing a “Islamic Extremist” trace AND a Kadyrov trace.
What I don’t understand is this. It is claimed that the conspirators were taken by surprise by the speed with which the investigators closed in on the ‘fireteams’ and actually got in touch with the FSB themselves and gave up the assassins (Zaur Dadaeva, et. al.). Why would Vanguard people give the names of their own gunmen to Russian investigators? What deal could possibly have been made? I just don’t get this aspect of the events. Could their information have been false? Was it a red herring to throw the investigation off the trail? Zaur is described by Kadyrov as an honorable patriot; he has withdrawn his confession. What do you make of all this?
One blogger claimed that concrete proof of Vanguard involvement had definitely been found, but did not indicate what that proof might be. Is this true, in your estimation? And if so, has the Kremlin traded it for Obama’s refusal to send US troops and weapons to Ukraine?
Please help me understand.
Yours,
David
By the way, I have been reading everything possible on Vanguard Asset Management Corporation of Delaware, and I really don’t think they are anything other than they seem to be. There is, however, an Allen-Vanguard Customised Threat Intelligence Services that might be the culprit about which many bloggers are writing.
Any clarifications on your end?
everything is leading to kremlins inner circle as organizer, people like dugin or strelkov who dont like putins soft leaderships or some oligarchs with relationships in intelligence.
it is blame to fsb not to track or monitor nemtsov, or just to say that putin didnt call on order anybody from interior service
Increasingly the MSM starts to unveil the real motives behind the killing of Nemtsov:
‘Russia and Chechnya
The Caucasian connection
A pact between Vladimir Putin and his Chechen ally suddenly looks fragile’
Mar 14th 2015 | MOSCOW (sic!)
@http://www.economist.com/news/europe/21646190-pact-between-vladimir-putin-and-his-chechen-ally-suddenly-looks-fragile-caucasian-connection
“Mr Kadyrov’s reaction to the arrest of Mr Dadaev suggests a hard struggle between forces previously united around Mr Putin: the FSB and his Chechen friends. As Novaya Gazeta, a liberal paper, wrote: “Two pillars of Kremlin support bashed their heads and are now moving in the opposite directions, forcing the Kremlin to choose which is a true patriot of Russia.”
The stakes are high; Mr Putin is trying to preserve at least the appearance of stability, and this week went ahead with a planned award to Mr Kadyrov. Should the Chechen leader lose Kremlin support, he and his male progeny may be at risk because he has many “blood enemies”. Mr Putin also needs Mr Kadyrov to keep order in Chechnya.
But the bond is unstable. “The contract between Kadyrov and Putin—money in exchange for loyalty—is coming to an end. Where will Mr Kadyrov’s 20,000 men go? What will they demand? How will they act? When will they come to Moscow?” Those rhetorical questions were posed by Mr Nemtsov shortly before his death”.
‘Russia has a history of finding convenient Muslim scapegoats’
@http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2015/03/11/russia-has-a-history-of-finding-convenient-muslim-scapegoats/
“Observers point to an entrenched bigotry among some Russians toward people from the Caucasus — to this day, many refer to them derisively as “blacks.” In 2010, mobs of far-right soccer hooligans in Moscow went on a rampage, attacking immigrants from the Caucasus and Central Asia and killing two.
Putin’s brand of politics taps into a vein of religious nationalism, and he appeals often to Russia’s Orthodox Christian identity. This, say some critics, has led to deepening xenophobia in a Russia where protesting the powers that be has become risky business”.
Well it’s all coming out now:
http://fortruss.blogspot.co.uk/2015/03/nemtsovs-killer-was-hired-by-commander.html
The smoke is clearing and religion has nothing to do with it and the perps true motives are slowly being shown. The investigators are slowly revealing their hand.
In regard to the article heading – the pact is definately not fragile. That is what the West wanted and that editor of the Economist is an agent anyway….if anything, I think it will make their relationship better – there is very much a common enemy and they need to show a combined strength and united front.
Veritas
http://www.kommersant.ru/Doc/2685307
This article gives us few unknown details about the five suspects of Nemtsow’s murder. They are all coming form the same village in Chechnya and all except one are blood relatives. The Dadaev family have won the law case against Russian Federation in Stratsbourg court in January 2015, and was awarded 120K euro by the Russian state. RF military admitted responsibility for abduction and disapearence of two men, members of this family, during the military operatrion in Chechnya in 2001.
The plantif, aunt of Zaur Dadaev and wife of an ubducted man, currently lives in Belgium. This means at least two things: that Dadaev family have recentlty made the headlines in the Western press, and that Dadaev family has personal reasons to dislike Russian state (but not the Russian opposition). This is how they may have attracted attention of those who thought that killing opposition leader on the Red Square and blaming it on Putin was an excellent plan. Using Zaur Dadaev throws shadow on Chechen leader as well. This all works well in painting Russia’s image as being bad etc.
Here is my guess: Dadayev was diagnosed with uncureable cancer. He resigned from his job. Then, in exchange for some financial incentives and promise that his family would be taken care of, he agreed to kill Nemtsov. This is how it usually works. All pieces fit. The religious context is a BS applied to make it look like something else.
Can you please expialn why the New Year starts on the 4th Day after Equinox? and why there are 30,30,31 etc would this not make the Calendar have more days than the 364?
Check out how the Gregorian calendar works — it needs adjustments to remain accurate. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregorian_calendar