The Russia media is reporting that today Donetsk was hit by a record 800 artillery shells. The Telmanovo suburb was hit particularly hard, but the shelling was also very violent in the airport region. Furthermore, DNR intelligence services have reported a steady movement of Ukronazi forces towards the line of contact. These forces include tanks and artillery systems, even multiple rocket launchers. Yesterday, a group of 8 tanks backed by armoured personnel carriers attempted to attack Novorussian positions, but there were beat back. Two Ukronazi tanks were destroyed. Does that mean that a junta attack is imminent?
Maybe.
The logical conclusion would be that yes, indeed, an attack is imminent and that the current Ukronazi attacked are probing attack, reconnaissance by fire, to test the Novorussian defenses. It makes no sense at all the bring in more and more forces and then keep the in the field doing nothing. But then, the junta has done so many illogical and plain stupid things during this war that I would not put it past them to just move forces and order shelling to, say, “impress” the British Defense Secretary. This is a time tested Ukronazi policy: every time some high ranking western official shows up on Kiev, they beg for money and show their “magnificent” resolve to “defend Europe against the Russian hordes”. Shelling civilians is usually how this resolve is demonstrated by the Ukronazis.
Still, even though it may sound like we are crying wolf, we should keep on reporting that the junta forces are poised for an attack regardless of whether this attack actually materializes or not, if only because that is yet another direct violation of even the very first provisions of M2A which, as I have been saying for weeks now, is dead, dead, dead, dead and dead. The only reason why so many pretend that it is not is because the alternative is too horrible to contemplate. Still, M2A was stillborn and never had a chance. As long as a Nazi junta is in power in Kiev there is no hope for peace. None.
The Saker
UPDATE: Predictably, the West blames Novorussia. See here. Apparently, the Novorussians are “shelling themselves” again…
Дети войны. Макеевка, девочка Наташа 2 годика. Вы только посмотрите в ее глаза. https://motorollastory.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/7rosayqhsea.jpg
Yandex translation:
“Children of war. Makeevka, girl Natasha 2 years old. You just look in her eyes”. /Mod
Saker,
do you think Donetsk and the militia will be able to push back the ukries? In previous articles it was mentioned that Zack was preparing a trap for Prky, convincing him to advance….are we seeing the results of Zack’s plans?
Do not worry- Sun Tzu war strategy still work even after many, many centuries passed. Why ??? because human behavior not much changed past say thousand years..Pornoshenko will get what he deserve… No – there do not will be circus called Minsk 3.
“Pornoshenko will get what he deserve…”
No, he will get more money&weaponry from Brussels and Washington. The world empire & their money changers do not care about morals,rules or decency anymore (if they ever did).
“No, he will get more money&weaponry from Brussels and Washington.”
That is to be welcomed since greater “engagement” will afford myriad opportunities of lateral challenge.
Porky will always have a welcome in the Canadian Prairies, I think! If he gets to retire somewhere.
“The only reason why so many pretend that it is not is because the alternative is too horrible to contemplate. Still, M2A was stillborn and never had a chance. As long as a Nazi junta is in power in Kiev there is no hope for peace. None.”
Great posting,I totally agree.Except on one point.Its not too horrible for me to contemplate.I believe the one and only way to get rid of the junta is by defeating them so badly their enemies in Banderastan will strike them down themselves.Making it possible for either a general rebellion throughout the former Ukraine.Or for a military offensive by the NAF to finish them off.But as I said,I agree with your analysis,and especially the last thought above.
“The logical conclusion”
Is that Novorussia only needs to survive while Ukraine has to prevail, or fail totally. It’s sickening to watch. As if the Three Stooges commended the Ukraine military with the inevitable result, but for real. Instead of Hollywood comedy.
This is terrible news. Perhaps I could take this opportunity to ask you, Saker, or anyone else who is knowledgable – what Russian media is reporting this? Any English-speaking Russian media? I am watching RT right now, and they do not appear to be even mentioning it. Nothing in the Live News nor on the frontpage. Maybe they are just slow? Although I have noticed many times that reports of shelling against Donbass that is reported by SouthFront seems to go unnoticed by RT. This seems confusing to me – shouldn’t RT take any chance of spreading pro-Russian “propaganda” that they can? As an outsider, it makes you somehow less trusting of these small, alternative news reports from SouthFront and the like, when what they report isn’t mentioned even by supposedly pro-Russian state media. Now I trust you Saker, which makes me trust SouthFront, the SITREPs on this site and so on. Yet I would have expected RT to report on these continuous shellings against Donbass as well.
It’s RT I wouldn’t trust.
Fort Russ is reporting it too.The problem I see with the Russian-English media is the “5th column” influence even there.Way too must “get along with our pardners and colleagues” BS.And far too little of the “protect our people” attitude showing.It may take a “reckoning” to change that.But change that, they must, if they want to survive.
A few hours ago I my anti-virus program, Bitdefender, started blocking Fort Russ. It’s telling me:
The page you are trying to access contains JS:Trojan.JS.Agent.KU.
Is anyone else picking up on this? Can anyone tell me what the problem is? I’ve never had this problem before.
Thanks.
Sounds like Fort Russ is being sabotaged.
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My thanks to everyone for your kind replies.
I have been able to access the site the past couple of hours with no problems. I don’t know what was going on earlier but it was strange.
Maxx, Whenever my computer does anything unexpected or starts giving weird virus warnings, I just do “system restore” & set its status back to when there was no problem. So far that’s worked for everything.
I’ve been & out of the site repeatedly w no problem, so maybe your problem is w your own computer & not on the site.
Good luck.
Talking about partners is just echoing the language of Lavrov.
If this is another offensive the Russians shouldn’t agree to any peace settlement until the NAF has driven the Ukies out of Donbass in its entirety.
“Talking about partners is just echoing the language of Lavrov.”
Sole agency doesn’t exist and Mr. Lavrov is generally very precise.
Mr. Lavrov may omit to define whether the partnership is conscious or unconscious, however he does acknowledge multi-lateral facilitation.
I would suggest that it is likely that representatives of the Russian Federation have more facility in implementation than you do, but that your own partnership in facilitation likely lies in increasing the noise/signal ratio.
” our pardners and colleagues”
Anonymous on August 14, 2015 · at 10:51 am UTC
“Talking about partners is just echoing the language of Lavrov.”
Sole agency doesn’t exist and Mr. Lavrov is generally very precise.
Mr. Lavrov may omit to define whether the partnership is conscious or unconscious, however he does acknowledge multi-lateral facilitation.
I would suggest that it is likely that representatives of the Russian Federation have more facility in implementation than you do, but that your own partnership in facilitation likely lies in increasing the noise/signal ratio.
That’s because non-russian-speaking russian media are well focused in the western’s less-informed-informational blocked people. They follow their interests and what’s on in te the west’s media, through this “familiar and digestible” formula they inoculate new data, questions and logic to the sheeple. That’s why RT, etc. are being so successful in westerns people’s hearth and in kremlin’s “truth release” rampage.
Taking a The Matrix analogy, they act as “the blue/red pill choice” not as Morpheus himself.
It’s not so much I wouldn’t “trust” RT-English, it’s that its target audience is Americans, and it’s also basically a mainstream channel so a single day of intense shelling may or may not be reported depending on the day’s other news. They certainly wouldn’t analyze it the way Saker, Ft. Russ, etc or any truthful independent media would. Large numbers of Americans cannot process that kind of analysis. That said, it could be a sub-topic on Crosstalk if someone were to bring it up, beyond that, idk.
Zuzim,
Sputniknews is the international branch of RIA Novosti, but breaking news lags.
tass.ru/en doesn’t have it yet either.
Neither does Reuters.
Doesn’t mean it’s not happening.
Novorossiyatoday is covering it.
70 pct of RT live coverage was today dedicated to Syria and tonight about the powerfull blast in China.Don’t forget that a lot of people are in holidays in august,at least in Europe(I d’ont know elsewhere).It is hot,almost nobody is watching tv.And on internet only activists like us are looking or fresh news out of the MSM propaganda.
In all combat of any kind, there is only one road to Peace. Victory.
You beat the bully.
You imprison the criminal.
You kill the nazi.
You destroy the junta.
It has always in all of history been that way.
The West will soon see what total defeat looks like.
There is no substitute for Victory. And there is no other road to Peace.
No. This is simply wrong. It depends very much on circumstances. There have been plenty of examples of peace that were the result of no such thing. Many wars are squabbles over a source of wealth, for instance, such as a resource. If the resource is used up, or becomes technologically obsolete, reason for war goes away. Other wars have been cases of both sides underestimating the opponent, overestimating the possible gains; overconfidence is common. Brought up against cold hard reality, belligerent parties have often hammered out relatively lasting peace.
In this particular case it may be true. The factors driving this regime towards war are too fundamental and numerous for it to readily stop without equally fundamental change. But please don’t oversimplify history just for the sake of shortening the sound bites for this one situation.
Name a war in history that ended without a victory and resulted in Peace.
I’m trying to think of a war that ever really ended and resulted in real lasting peace. I think I need some help with that.
The Punic Wars (at least the last one).
But seriously,its not the victory in wars that are to blame.Its the “peacemaking” after that is the problem.Most times the victors overstep themselves.And leave so much bitterness behind that it kindles a new war.At least that was the 20th Century experience.The Versailles treaty was so unfair that it was certain to bring on a new war (and it did).And after WW2,the problems from WWI,as well as the new WW2 problems were just papered over.Leading to more problems for the future.Since then no war that I can think of has ever really ended with any kind of “Peace Treaty” at all.So they just simmer today on low heat.
“But seriously,its not the victory in wars that are to blame.Its the “peacemaking” after that is the problem.Most times the victors overstep themselves.And leave so much bitterness behind that it kindles a new war.”
A cursory reading of Clausewitz will suggest that war is politics by other means – a lateral process.
Perhaps if you used this logic many “phenomena” might become clearer, including why Russia is not the Soviet Union and how and by whom this was facilitated.
” why Russia is not the Soviet Union and how and by whom this was facilitated.”
A short amplification.
http://fortruss.blogspot.co.uk/2015/08/does-russia-need-political-opposition_17.html
Interesting.
The only news I got from Croatian alternative media (because there is non from Serbian) is that the Novorussian forces are attacking the Ukrainian forces some 50 km from Mariupol. So it is pretty confusing.
There is also more and more articles from Western media suggesting WW3 is not that far.
Serbian alternative websites:
http://fakti.org/
http://srbin.info/category/svet/
(there is a button top right where you can change transcription from Cyrillic to Latin)
The only Croatian alternative website I know of is http://www.altermainstreaminfo.com.hr/
It has extensive analyses with references.
If there are other sites I would like to know.
It is a worldwide AFP/REUTERS news flash,we also got this version on all french speaking MSM…with interview of ukie Klemkine(?),the poor little ukies are only responding to ‘russian agression” as usual…blablala
Financial collapse is near with the yuan falling and stocks markets as well.
Very stange what is happening in China,do they also have a fith column?
If the US and the soros gang are behind in China they will end up badly also for them as the oil is collapsing,the US and Canadian shale industry is in very bad shape(Canada in recession).
They are attacking on all fronts:Donbass/RF,Syria,Brazil next sunday,oil prices,ruble,dollar/euro..printing even more fake money out of thin air with massive QE in Europe and Japan.The Fed will keep the rates where they are,simply because it is impossible to rise them.
The only option remaining for the US/EU is war,not a major problem for the US as it will happen one more time in Europe and they pretty don’t care about their vassals.
But as the Saker says you never know with these idiots,it also may be a false alert as they did several times.
Word coming out of Russia is that if there is a war they will make sure it strikes the US homeland as well.That no more will there just be a European War for them to suffer.That they will bring the war to the main aggressor state with strikes on the US.So if those in the US hope to ride out the war in comfort we should rethink that.And make sure where the local bomb shelter is (if there is one).In Donetsk they are using basements and the old Soviet built shelters.I’m not sure if LA,Chicago,New York,etc,have those.I know many cities in the Southwest don’t have real “basements” anymore.In New York they do have the subways though.That might work somewhat as a bomb shelter, as long as it isn’t nuclear bombs.
Very interesting news. Do you have a link?
America thinks it can behind its stooges and satellite nations, while it remains free from retribution in its continental empire.
But American had best think again.
No ,it is said in many reports I’ve seen from Russians.And it certainly would be the correct tact to take.So I don’t doubt the plan is there.A Russian friend of mine told me over a year ago when all this started (we were talking about nuclear weapons),he had in the past (while in the military) been shown a target list of sites in the US for strikes.At that time it was 338 sites on the list.There may be additions since then.
Russia has stated its doctrine repeatedly and loudly. I’ve heard it, but I bet most haven’t.
Any attack against Russian soil will be responded to by an attack against those who are participating in the attack onto their soil.
Seems eminently fair to me and eminently clear.
In the case of Ukraine. The moment they attack Russian soil – including Crimea – they can expect Kiev the junta’s days to be numbered in weeks at that point.
“They are attacking on all fronts:Donbass/RF,Syria,Brazil next sunday,oil prices,ruble,dollar/euro..printing even more fake money out of thin air with massive QE in Europe and Japan.”
Increased oscillation is often a marker of increasing system instability, especially if the oscillation is linear.
Increasing linear oscillation affords increasing opportunities for lateral challenge.
The main solaces of the subject/object binary, sometimes known as sole agency, lies in the deflection/denial of complicity in some, and the over-estimation of agency in others, thereby facilitating ideological immersion, replication, including through confirmation bias, and useful foolery.
IMHO, the time for a formal Russian protectorate over the Donbass might be fast approaching, like the ones the French had over Tunisia and Morocco, to stop these continual provocations in their tracks. With Russian troops guarding the line, and instant retaliation to any artillery strikes, this nonsense would stop. The Donbass still could be formally recognized as part of the Ukraine, as Tunisia and Morocco were formally recognized by France as independent countries, but nobody dared attack them (except us and the Brits in November 1942). Everybody that wanted a Russian passport could get one, there could be free trade and a custom union with Russia, and maybe life could return to normal. The West and NATO would undoubtedly increase sanctions as much as they could, but they would do so anyway, witness Russia’s reward for agreeing to the Iran deal. Their intent, openly articulated, is to ruin Russia economically on one excuse or another, for a raspadenie like the Soviet Union’s. One might as well be hanged for a sheep as a lamb.
Seward, the protectorate over Donbass sounds like a good idea. Pity Kiev is going to war just now; they were finally doing something good– getting rid of pravi sector.
Looks like they are going to do major action in Syria and Donbass at the same time. Wonder if Moldova will get hit, too?
Tianjin, China just got hit w major explosion 13 dead & 400 hospitalized. Maybe just an accident?
It may actually be just a tragic accident.RT is saying it was an explosives shipment that exploded.Though its probably too early to know for sure the cause.
Pity Kiev is going to war just now; they were finally doing something good– getting rid of pravi sector.
Actually, no. Pravy Sektor was trying to get rid of the Kiev regime! I suspect that the fundamentally unstable nature of Porky’s republic forces them to keep a perpetual state of war going, in part in order to give the nazis something to do instead overthrowing the govt.
ATTENTION ALL NAZIS!
THE WAR IS BACK ON. ABANDON KIEV IMMEDIATELY AND RETURN TO THE FRONT.
THAT IS ALL.
I just contacted Russell Bonner Bentley–you remember him, right? ‘Texas’? He’s in Donetsk doing information warfare for Novorossiya. He confirms the heavy shelling over the past hour. However, though he isn’t 100% percent sure, he thinks it’s DPR doing the shelling, not Ukrops. He said it sounds like Grads.
DPR shelling the Ukrops?
More urban fairy tales peddled by the sickening Frenchies.
12 August 2015 – 22H48
Spain detains man for selling Islamic State clothing line
MADRID (AFP) –
Spanish police have detained a man suspected of selling clothes bearing Islamic State slogans and T-shirts showing a British aid worker just before his execution, the government said Wednesday.
The man, a Spanish citizen whose name was not released, sold the items online to customers across Spain and neighbouring Portugal as well as at a shop he owned, an interior ministry statement said.
http://www.france24.com/en/20150812-spain-detains-man-selling-islamic-state-clothing-line
Anonymous on August 12, 2015 · at 8:48 pm UTC
They still want to use and spread the fear
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=ukaian+hacked+decapitation+hoax
No doubt,capitalism at its “finest”.
It’s on….like Donkey Kong.
AUGUST 12
WASHINGTON (AFP) –
The United States has begun to carry out air strikes against the Islamic State group using manned jets launched from a base in Turkey, the Pentagon said Wednesday.
Previously, the US-led coalition bombing the jihadist group had used unmanned drones for missions launched from Turkey, with jets flying from carriers and other bases in the region.
“Today, the United States began flying manned counter-ISIL missions from Incirlik Air Base, Turkey. Strikes were conducted,” Pentagon spokeswoman Commander Elissa Smith said.
http://www.france24.com/en/20150812-us-jets-begin-syria-strikes-turkish-base
Anonymous, US air action is to cover Turkey’s invasion of Syria w objective Aleppo. See my 3 or 4 posts yesterday under
“Saakashvilli Silk Road Illusion”.
major happening.
Well they can’t send the forces massed on the front home. They might get the idea of marching on Kiev for another coup.
Latest update : 2015-08-11
A French councillor on Monday slammed a decision to dedicate one day of the French capital’s annual Paris Plages beach festivities to the Israeli city of Tel Aviv, saying it sent “a very bad message” of support for Israeli policies.
Every summer, Paris turns the banks of the Seine into a makeshift beach known as Paris Plages and this year it has devoted each day to a famous beach around the world.
Left-wing councillor Danielle Simonnet reacted angrily to the idea that August 13 has been dubbed “Tel Aviv Sur Seine” after the Israeli beachside city.
http://www.france24.com/en/20150810-tel-aviv-beach-day-paris-causes-unholy-row
” As long as a Nazi junta is in power in Kiev there is no hope for peace. None”.
As long as Ukraine is under occupation by Washington through their Nazi proxies there is no hope whatever for peace. America does not want peace. What the hell is it with this country anyway ? Anywhere on this earth where you find the most loathsome, depraved, sicko scum and cut throat murderers and bandits you can bet your last penny America will have its filthy fingerprints all over them. What a country, America is truly the greatest aberration of modern times.
know the truth. It’s not the fault of America the country, but of the gangsters who’ve gotten control of the govt. Britain was once the home of imperialism, now the US is, but they act on behalf of an international cabal of bankers and the largest transnationals– obviously w the goal of an oligarchical world govt. The military aggression that you see is only one part of it. The financial imperialism thru the IMF and WTO is also important, and that part is fully accessible to us to disband– if only people understood.
I don’t think you let the country and all, maybe most, US citizens off the hook. They put in the government and allow it to control everything, and could stop it if they took the effort to learn about it and do something, but they let their apathy, passivity, and willful ignorance prevail. Not that it’s easy to fight it, but there is very little effort from the average person to do that. ‘The people get the government they deserve’ has some truth in it.
If you say people are not responsible at all because they are helpless and unable to change anything, then let’s just give up even trying and resign ourselves to predestination and hopelessness, but if people will take the blame and responsibility that also means they can take power and change what is happening. even if each person can do just a little bit as his/her part.
My point exactly. Every country gets the government it deserves. People always say, oh its not the American people its our government to blame. I disagree vehemently.
Americans by and large only ever disagree with their government on domestic issues which affect them directly, where foreign policy is concerned they are more often than not solidly behind the psychopaths in Washington. As long as the murder and mayhem is not taking place on American soil most Americans will cheer it on, after all they are the “exceptional” nation arent they ? Just typical of most Americans was the fake signatures conducted by RT recently where the RT presenter was collecting signatures of the American public for a “pre-emptive nuclear strike” on Russia. Guess what ? Most Americans signed that fake petition. That tells you everything you need to know about the American public.
They deserve every single thing thats coming to them and I for one will be shedding no tears.
Blue & know the truth,
I don’t think Russians or the Greeks deserve the problems they are having either. How can the average Russian fight back against the oligarchs/5th column? Sure he should try, but I think it’s unjust to blame him for what the oligarchs do. You don’t blame Putin & he has much more power than the average Russian.
If you blame the average American, then you have to blame the average Greek & the average Russian, too.
Seems silly to me. Better to blame the malcreants and the purveyors of lies. But we can agree to disagree.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2Xh5eN2fXY
Let Your Life Be a Friction to Stop the Machine
ClassWarFilms
the truth in 22 minutes, 41 seconds.
If people do nothing else they can at least know the truth. And they can tell the truth when circumstances permit even in ordinary day to day life, without even going out and protesting or signing petitions or writing letters. Just tell the truth instead of reinforcing the lies, and when others tell the lies just say ‘I disagree — that’s not the way it is’. People can tell their children, their neighbors, their friends the truth.
That’s not much to ask, but if tens of millions did that, stopped just going along, it would make a tremendous difference.
If a person who knows the truth but is fearful or reluctant to admit it to themselves hears even one person state it out loud that provides courage to think it, and admit it, and maybe tell someone else.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lin-a2lTelg
Everybody knows – Leonard Cohen
Even without hearing it from someone else one can know the truth simply by looking, and paying attention — and many people have done that — and not burying it inside and ignoring it and lying to himself.
One does not have to vote for the fascists, or make the choice to help them. One does not have give their money to listen to the propaganda on the TV or read it in the papers, making the liars even richer. One does not have to actively support the evil machine by choosing to in myriad small ways even in shopping choices, by by buying things from the destructive corporations. There are thousands of ways one can stop supporting the monsters with no risk, and even little inconvenience, when one acknowledges the truth and intends to ‘be a friction’ to the machine. The intent will find ways to do it.
“If you blame the average American then you have to blame the average Greek and the average Russian too”.
But Penelope, I cant for the life of me remember the last time either Greece or Russia invaded any country or committed any agression against any other sovereign nation. I cant remember the last time Greece or Russia overthrew any other sovereign nation because they didnt like the government there. I cant remember the last time either Greece or Russia killed thousands of innocent people with hellfire missiles fired from drones in other sovereign nations, I cant remember the last time either Greece or Russia supported cut throat murdering jihadi scum with weapons, training, logistics and funding, I could go on but you get the gist.
Greece and Russia have their own problems with the oligarchic 1per cent, true, but at least with Russia you have in president Putin someone who is fully aware of this problem and is actually actively countering it by reigning in the oligarchs and trying his best to actually bring up the living standards of ordinary Russians. We should be so lucky in the west with the venal, evil scum we have in office.
The US could have a president like Putin, but they have to stop voting for the fascists, stop swallowing the lies they keep telling, get involved in politics at the primary level instead of just accepting whatever false choices the machine gives them, and do this by looking for the truth and dealing with it, and organizing themselves into groups to share the information and take political actions needed. There is no point in voting if all the choices are fascists and crooks, but people can get good choices by supporting good people early in the process instead of forgetting about it until two days before the general election — but they don’t make the effort. They would rather lie to themselves.
So many simple ways to change things. When there is a parade and fireworks to celbrate the empire and aggressive wars, just don’t show up. Stop flying and pasting flags and ribbons on their houses and cars. Just stop actively supporting the empire. And when someone who is honest and good tries to run for office — including local offices — support them instead of writing them off as ‘unwinnable’.
People have to start thinking, and feeling the morality involved.
Sorry to say, but ethical thought driving ethical acts no longer exists in the Outlaw Empire. I’ve given this some thought over the past several weeks investigations on the topic. Ethical behavior exists for others, not the Outlaw Empire since the onset of WW2. The myth of FDR being a Good Guy is very wrong as he was responsible for the terror fire bombings of civilians and embrasure of Total War, allowing the development and deployment of the National Security State, and instigated the Cold war. He also ensured his successor wouldn’t be the Pacifist Henry Wallace, who would never have allowed the formation of the National Security State, would have purged the numerous fascists within the federal government–there was never any problem with communists, it was the fascists–no Operation Paperclip and no Cold War. One of the most neglected areas of US History is what happened during WW2 domestically and the changed political dynamics made possible by the war.
I’m not just talking about the lack of ethics in government, but most especially in business. Most know the story of Big Tobacco and government, but it wasn’t just that one area of business–pretty much every business sector is driven by the very unethical formula/dictat of Profit Over People. Here are three stories related to that which prove The Outlaw Empire has no ethics in politics or business, https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/08/11/dupont-chemistry-deception/
http://www.thenation.com/article/secret-history-lead/
http://billmoyers.com/content/trade-secrets/
“Every country gets the government it deserves”
…what utter horseshit.
US Citizens have choice between explicitly right-wing extremists and right-wing extremists who use rhetoric to hide their intentions. Please explain to me the “differences”, outside of rhetoric, between Bush [the 2nd] & Obama’s policies? That was a rhetorical question, there are none.
At no time in the last 30 years, have I seen any major media outlet rise to the level of journalistic integrity that Pravda managed in USSR times…unless you had an extremely solid background in history, paid attention in minute detail, spending hours a day, the way Soviet citizens were forced to do in Brezhnev’s time, would you have any concept of reality.
The 24/7/365 US media lies, often buried in unrelated stories, proscribe a false narrative few could penetrate living a “normal life”, a life that is increasingly made more difficult by time constraints for the lower 4/5 quintiles, by government/corporation corruption that is incomprehensible to somebody who has not watched how DC/Wall-Street works.
The idea that US citizens “choose” evil may be something our propagandist want you to believe, but it is untrue, most US citizens, given accurate information, will do the right thing.
US citizens have the choice to become well informed if they go to the trouble to do so and think about it — the information may not be on MSM but it is available. Then they can take a more active role at the primary election levels and get good choices for candidates. People are constantly lied to, but they don’t have to believe the lies.
The problem is like the wife who abused, with children who are abused, but is afraid to hear the truth and keep making excuses for the abuser. She needs some ‘moral courage’ and intellectual integrity to break out of it.
If you take responsibility for being deceived and passive than you also claim the power to fix that. It may not be easy, but you do then have some hopeful choices. An abused spouse can walk away from the situation, and many do get to that point, when they get past the fear and passivity.
Let’s say then that people don’t ‘deserve’ their government in the sense of moral blame, but in the sense of their active and passive participation in the problem, and their letting themselves be sensitive to see the immense damage done by the government’s wars and its victims.
“US citizens have the choice to become well informed if they go to the trouble to do so and think about it ”
Choice does not exist without facility, in which case choice is substituted by holgrams of “choice”, the holograms being constructed from expectations and notions of societal norms which facilitate and reflect ideological immersion.
Included in these notions of societal norms is the old sleight of hand – We hold these truths to be self-evident.
As a citizen, or at least a multi-generational inhabitant of the USA, I protest that somehow I’m implicated in the horrific nonsense my so called government is perpetrating on the world. I wish we would go back to taking care of our own people instead of trying to kill everyone else.
I think a lot of USasians would vouch for this. I use USasians, as many Americans to the south and to the north don’t go along with what the USA gumment is doing around the world. If only they knew what is being done ‘in their name’ they would flee from it.
Jim of Olym
Agree, & of the thousands of learned tomes written on that topic, & all the internet speakers giving talks on it, & all the everyday experiences of the average USAian corporation taxpaying slave, this long article, a mere few pages & perhaps 10 minutes reading, is a top pick for knowing the history & trail of the perpetual schemers & who they are:
Now the creditor on the paperwork appears that it is the local bank. The bank has loaned you credit. The bank hasn’t loaned you anything. It is not their credit to loan. This is why the bank can’t loan credit. There is a credit involved, but not the bank’s credit. It is the credit of the International Bankers. The International bankers are making you the loan based upon their operation of bankruptcy claim which they presume to have against you personally as well as your property. Now, let’s say you get a tax bill and you decide “I’m not going to pay it.” You will find that the courts and the lawyers and the county agencies are set up to protect the true creditor simply by not identifying the creditor. By not being identified as the true creditor, the international banker can make you a credit loan that has no value in reality.
http://www.barefootsworld.net/usfraud.html
Saker,
“As long as a Nazi junta is in power in Kiev there is no hope for peace. None.”
As long as the Nazi/Zionist Oligarchs are in charge in Washington DC there is no hope for peace.
The Nazi junta in Kiev is of little import.
This bombardment took place after increasing presence of American and other NATO soldiers in the Ukraine. The bombardments have taken place, increasingly, after much training of the Ukrainian puppet army by the Zionist/American armed forces, and Secret Agencies, and after continual funding of the Kiev Army and its government (hundreds of million$ from American taxpayers).
IMAGINE for a minute the power of modern artillery:
Eight hundred (800) exploding projectiles could create havoc in the heart of New York City. The 2 million inhabitants of Manhattan would be fleeing over the bridges, North, South, East, and West. If any nation would do that (conduct 800+ artillery strikes) at New York City, or Chicago, or Newark, the American Congress would declare war on the very next day.
The historic analogy is that of the resistance of the Spanish Republican Government 1936-1939. The Franco Fascists were financed and supported, militarily, by the Italian and German fascist governments. The Spanish fascists were also supported, politically, by the American government of Democrat Roosevelt, (who had full support from the American Republican gang), and also, the British Conservatives, led by Chamberlain and Churchill. These ‘democratic’ governments enforced an arms embargo – that only prevented arms from being sold to the democratically elected Spanish Republic. The Spanish fascists, who (as with the Ukrainian puppet fascists) had no functioning economy, received unending military supplies and financing from the imperialists..
in 1936, the Hollande (er-Blum) French Socialist government and the British Labor Party, whined, and cried many sympathy songs, but did nothing to save their Socialist comrades, who were being ground down after 3 years of Civil War.
In 2015, as with the American Democrat and Republican political gangs of 1936, the Democrat gang of Obomber, the Clintons, Kerry, and Nuland, and the Republican gang of McCain, and the Bushes, among others, have no essential differences on their efforts to grind Russia, China, and the Arab nations, into little pieces.
The current situation in the Ukraine (occupied Russia – non reunited Russia – non liberated Russia), is, of course, not totally analogous to the Spanish tragedy 75 years ago. In 2015, Russia is near, and has given much aid and some political support. The Novorossyan Militia are (therefore), better armed than the Spanish Republican forces. [A cursory read of Orwell’s “Homage to Catalonia” will clarify that point.]
A defeat of the Novorossyan Militias and their Democratic Republics will usher in the Final dark Age for the planet. It is not sure that the Russian leadership is prepared to permit such a result. It is, unfortunately, unclear just what the Russian Leaders are prepared to do to save their own people.
If the 800 artillery strikes provoke no serious response from the Russians, what will 8000 artillery strikes do (that will soon follow down the very short road)? The American people have failed, politically, and morally; will the Russians also fail? Recalling the history of the outbreak of WWI and WWII, and of the 1912-1913 Balkan conflicts and the 1936-39 Spanish Civil War, it is doubtful that Europe can continue to bleed without eventually triggering a world war.
A victory of Republican Spain would have prevented World War II. Unfortunately, in 1936-39, with the international powers lined up against them, they could not win. In 2015, the Russian Novorossyan Militia and the Russian People can win this war; and, if they win this war, they will prevent the outbreak of a World-wide conflict.
For the Democratic Republics!
IMAGINE
Great comment.
Also, if in recent days
“Ukrainian Foreign Minister Pavlo Klimkin earlier said while talking to his Russian counterpart Sergey Lavrov that it was necessary to begin preparations for the local elections in the self-proclaimed Donetsk and Luhansk republics.’
So why on earth would AFU get busy again??
Why waste your time any more Lavrov and VP?
What does Lavrov now think about this, apart from the usual that anything that Ukraine promises is illusory, and that eg back in Feb 2015 Rus faces this sort of **** from the west
“Lavrov was also subjected to scorn after expressing support for the principles of territorial integrity and nonintervention spelled out in the Helsinki Final Act, a treaty signed in 1975 by 35 states, including the Soviet Union.
The Helsinki principles “were long ago torn up by the actions of the United States and its allies in Yugoslavia, which they bombed, in Iraq, in Libya, and by expanding NATO eastward and creating new dividing lines,” Lavrov said.
NATO Deputy Secretary-General Alexander Vershbow, a former U.S. ambassador to Russia who was in the audience, accused the Russian foreign minister of hypocrisy.
“Russia violates all Helsinki principles, yet FM Lavrov calls for reaffirming them. Interesting logic,” Vershbow tweeted.”
http://www.rferl.org/content/russia-lavrov-laughed-at-in-munich/26835413.html
Thank you so much.
I consider going to the Donbass to at least help
medically . Funds are a problem. I’ll try hard.
Worry is the Liberasts in RF and south … 5th collumn.
We shall overcome ! Just imagine !
Visualizing ,
Stefan
Dear The Saker,
Pres Putin called a security council meeting about this constant shelling:
http://tass.ru/en/russia/814003
There will be no MK3 so Porky and Co. better be very sure if they are going to attack. The British “trainers” have been bought in to do this…..the OSCE are silent as usual – even being silent about the shelling on their monitors!
Rgds,
Veritas
It would appear that the new offensive is going to occur prior to any release of the MH17 report by the Dutch Safety Board – obviously to obscure that issue to irrelevance.
It could be a “twofer”,take the heat off the report.And also get the World to not see the happenings in Syria.Remember the Israelis using the cover of the MH downing to attack Gaza.I don’t see the US being any less diabolical.
@ Uncle Bob 1,
Q; Remember the Israelis using the cover of the MH downing to attack Gaza.
R; You got that in reverse.
The MH17 was downed to get the world’s attention diverted away from Palestinians being slaughtered at the hands of the Apartheid State, regardless who did it.
And once again, I can’t help wondering “why are Donbass so apparently alone?” I watched that documentary “Crimea: the way back home”, and saw the interview with Putin in which he said that Russia “had” to intervene, to protect the Russian people there, “we couldn’t just leave them” he said.
But what about the Russian people of D & L? How come they are being left? And if the response is “Well, Putin can’t intervene, he will cause the West to accuse hime of aggression and start a war”, but the thing is, this could go on and on. US / NATO backed and trained forces invade and kill in Donbass, and he still he waits? Then they start attacking the Russian borders by Islam / Ukrazies proxies, and he still he can’t move against them? When can he? It is so awful to have to just sit here, thousands of miles away, and watch these poor innocent people being decimated and seemingly getting no help from anyone in the world. Surely this can’t go on much longer.
Logically and historically, Putin has always unleashed his forces (Chechnya and Georgia wars) when it came to using military solution. He has not held back. Donbass is different because it is outside those two types of conflicts. Diplomacy was an option. Minsk 2 was the process. It has been wholly rejected and trashed by the junta.
I am thinking that there is no other solution but military for Donbass and the junta. And thus, Putin will unleash more than enough military in the next round to finish the junta.
I also think Putin will take this opportunity to demonstrate in living color and 3D (so to speak) some Russian capabilities on the battlefield to so devastate land forces as to chase NATO’s advisers to the barracks from whence they came (if only to change their stained underwear.)
@Mats on August 12, 2015 · at 10:40 pm UTC
Putin MUST to be very careful now, because the ZIO/Nazi can’t wait for the trap to show the world that Putin has attacked Ukraine.
This is the reason why they do these provoking attacks, they just want to drag him into the bigger war. He knows about this sneaky approach, it is going to be over, but in another fashion and the Kiev junta will remember this forever when they were playing with the Russian fire, just watch!
I’m not attacking you here.But I’ve been thinking of what you just said.And I hear it all the time from some people.And it begs the question “And ?”.They are always going to accuse Russia of something.Those that want to believe them will believe them.Those that don’t want to,won’t.The US attacks any country around the World they want to.And there is nothing done.Anyone stupid enough to want to feel a real nuclear strike on their home is free to mess with Russia.That’s just the way it is.Its not right or wrong,it just “is”. So is Russia to always be constrained from doing “right” over a fear of Western reprisal? My answer is a resounding “No”.You do the right thing and deal with anyone that dares try to stop you.
Give the man a cigar!
Meanwhile, 15 000 tons of coal per day is exported from the Donbass to kiev controlled territory:
http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&tl=en&u=http://mozaika.dn.ua/news/47291-ukraina-rezko-uvelichivaet-zakupki-uglya-v-zone-ato-po-vosstanovlennoy-zheleznodorozhnoy-vetke-gorlovka-artemovsk.html
This is a time tested Ukronazi policy: every time some high ranking western official shows up on Kiev, they beg for money and show their “magnificent” resolve to “defend Europe against the Russian hordes”. Shelling civilians is usually how this resolve is demonstrated by the Ukronazis.
It’s also as Israeli-American as war crimes, race crimes, human organ trafficking and Hollywood pretending the Jewish mafia is a bunch Sicilians who put cotton mouths to sound like “tough guys”, to mention just a few of those traits Israeli-Americans are well known for.
Today french ‘canard enchainé'(satiric paper but not like former charlie hebdo),just announced that the Mistral contract break up will finaly cost 2.4 billions to France(and not less than a billion as ‘cheese’ hollande said last week).
http://www.boursorama.com/actualites/mistral-la-facture-pourrait-atteindre-pres-de-2-4-milliards-d-euros-e3006ffa3daeeac232eac431074678c9
BREAKING #NAF calls in all fighters ! Holidays cancelled ! #donetsk #dnr #Novorossiya
Breaking! #Putin holds Security Council meeting to discuss more frequent shelling of #Donbas — Kremlin http://tass.ru/en/russia/814003 …
Breaking! #DNR troops have been put on high alert! A Ukrainian offensive could start very soon! Via @myrevolutionrus http://cassad.net/…/16232-v-dnr-obyavlena-boevaya… …
Donbass republics on alert as Ukraine military threat escalates
Alarm in the Donetsk People’s Republic
By Colonel Cassad:http://redstaroverdonbass.blogspot.fr/…/antiwar-alert…
The US is providing kiev with sat images of Donbass
http://novorossia.today/expert-les-etats-unis-et-l-europe-mettent-a-disposition-de-kiev-des-images-satellite-pour-diriger-les-frappes-contre-le-donbass/
Heavy clashes at Donetsk Airport. Reports about usage of MLRS, Tanks and BTR-s. War escalation imminent.
A french volontary testimony (R and FR):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXC2IFeMXb0
According to Thierry Meyssan,kiev+erdogan+tatars are preparing a special brigade to attack Crimea
http://www.voltairenet.org/article188375.html
Nato and RF are preparing for major war according to a think tank.
http://www.rtbf.be/info/dossier/ukraine-la-guerre-de-kiev/detail_l-otan-et-la-russie-se-preparent-a-une-confrontation-selon-un-think-thank?id=9052443
And maybe the reason for tonight ukie attack,according to kerry himself,the EU countries don’t want to extend the sanctions anymore…which means in others words that the US needs a new pretext to convince their vassals
http://francais.rt.com/international/5526-etats-unis-santions-europe
If Crimea is attacked that’s war, and the full Russian defense forces and military will engage in self-defense.
http://fortruss.blogspot.co.uk/2015/08/aug-12-sitrep-ukraines-major-threat.html
situation updates
Donetsk News Agency today
In Russian, but use an internet translator.
Apparently, the Novorussians are “shelling themselves” again…
Must be those ultra secret experimental “boomerang” shells the evil commies…er, Russians are trying out in the Ukraine. ;
Zionazi media queen on fox news: “Now our next story is about how Putin profits from forced abortion of babies from American and [everybody gasps] Israeli lesbian mothers, who were raped by armed and dangerous Black Muslim patriarchal males with white girl fetishes, that were paid by Putin, personally, and operating out of Iran and Syria, who were also allied with coke dealers from Venezuela, who worked under Putin’s direction by selling the murdered babies to a commie Chinese phony vegan cattle feed manufacturing company, that specialises in adding a pirated, fake (dysfunctional) copy of viagra to the resulting product in order to cleverly undermine American exceptionalism and promote anti-semitism through the contamination of the sacred beefsteak.”
lovely imagination.
re: “The only reason why so many pretend that it is not is because the alternative is too horrible to contemplate.”
There may be several other reasons. One is that many want to believe that there are plans, cunning and otherwise, from Moscow and Berlin that lead cheaply to federalization, which is what they want. Not necessarily what the people in different parts of the Ukraine want, but what various elite groups want. So it wouldn’t be the horror that is the issue, just the goal.
Another possible reason is simply that the “horrible” issue is not what is implied in the statement. It isn’t the deaths and destruction; it is the damage to Russia’s relations with Europe, or at least the lifestyle and business practices that most of Russia’s elites have come to know over the last 15 years. So it is not a fear of another 50,000 deaths that is the problem, it is that Russian elites would not be able to base their lives and businesses on such a strong European connection. A Russian oligarch or even just someone high up in the Russian bureaucracy might have his child or grandchild going to university in Britain, own some property in Italy, do banking in Switzerland, be friends and business partners with someone like Poroshenko, and even have his company’s shares listed in London or Frankfurt. The last thing he wants is to be inconvenienced by the struggle over the Ukraine, so, as far as he is concerned, the horrible to contemplate issue is not deaths in the Donbass, but having to dramatically change his life and business. It isn’t like oligarchs are bothered by fascism; they might even like it for Russia, as long as their wealth isn’t stolen by the West. The desires of the people in the Donbass, or other parts of the Ukraine for that matter, are entirely alien to him and certainly irrelevant.
And, more cynically, one reason many pretend Minsk is alive is that that is the party line. It doesn’t pay to go against the party line in most countries.
Sadly,you nailed it.
re: Putin and his security council: Something is up and it will be creatively unexpected: my guess.
I saw this posted in a comment to a story today.Very intelligent thinking I believe.Does it remind anyone besides me of a certain “exceptional” country’s government.And the last part certainly fits a certain “junta” I can think of:
“Real Fascism” is the regime of finance capital:
“Fascism is an open terrorist dictatorship of the most reactionary, the most chauvinistic, the most imperialistic elements of the financial capital… Fascism is neither the government beyond classes nor the government of the petty bourgeois or the lumpen-proletariat over the financial capital. Fascism is the government of the financial capital itself. It is an organized massacre of the working class and the revolutionary slice of peasantry and intelligentsia. Fascism in its foreign policy is the most brutal kind of chauvinism, which cultivates zoological hatred against other peoples.”
-Georgi Dimitrov-
Another goes over to the “Dark Side”. :D
‘Truth lives in Russia’ says Deep Purple’s ex-vocalist Turner on visit to Crimea
American rock star Joe Lynn Turner, ex-vocalist for Deep Purple and Rainbow, has arrived in Crimea to give a number of concerts. At a press-conference given for the Russian media, he claimed that “sanctions do not apply to music.”
“I know the truth lives here. And I believe right now, this time Russia is going to be the great power that it already has been and that good always overcomes evil,” Joe Turner told reporters at the media event in Simferopol, the capital of Crimea.
He also added that he had been wearing a ring bearing the Russian coat of arms “for many years” as a symbol of “truth living in Russia.”
“I am very proud of the people of Crimea,” he said as quoted by TASS. “The people here have their truth and I see what that referendum was about… Truth is in the hearts of the people and I have seen it here.”
Last year Crimea joined Russia after holding a referendum which saw 96.7 percent of Crimean residents voting in favor of the reunification.
“I think I have found a new life and a new home,” Turner added as he spoke about his plans to give concerts in the Crimean cities of Feodosia, Yalta and Sevastopol.
Commenting on the sanctions, Turner emphasized that “politics cannot enslave the human soul,” just like “no political sanctions can stop the music.” He added that he plays “for people, not politics,” and praised the Russian people for having “incredible strength of spirit throughout history.”
“Music is a universal language, it transcends all politics, religions, disputes and arguments between people, it brings the world together,” Turner told journalists.
“I was warned I could be banned in Europe [for giving concerts in Crimea]… but I am a rebel, I have always been a rebel and I will always stay a rebel. I do not care what they say,” he added.
But hey, the zionazis still have Madonna to defend their war crimes, so all is not lost…yet. Right? ;D
Interesting the zionazi style threats made against him. Not exactly the thing free democracies practice, but very much an Israeli-American-Jewish mafia “you’re with us or against us” totalitarian gay mentality of the currently zio-occupied Europe.
just strikes me as most peculiar-Poro applying for declaration of martial law-but refused by court.
Why?
Did Nuland approve /approve of this in their latest constitutional shennagens designed to fool the world ? Is he afraid of Rus White book and Rus. statements war crimes will be prosecuted(perhaps Roshen could be seized in Russia)?
As he seems to have successfully delayed Minsk, sub groups refuse/delay pull back, AFU in action big time, new battalions approved to get back Crimea(reported earlier from World Congress Tatars in Tukey),getting extra trainers, IMF funds, USA , EU funds, border fence/defences is complete, these must be all signs of “success” in his view….right sector has seemed to quieten down a bit last week or so, so why apply for martial law which shows he has been a failure(and refusal shows the weakness of his case), unless he is aware of things that we aren’t that the real failures will now become manifest-no money for winter gas, economy cratering, on power stations shut down, did the striking miners get their back pay as endlessly promised, is there going to be a Maidan 3, or his own paranoia going overtime, or going to be another coup against the President/government..or Sakaashvilli getting too big for his boots…..and a declaration of martial law is going to damage any investment confidence or is just a stupid ploy to get money /support, DPr were saying AFU action was perhaps an attempt to get in peacekeepers again, but martial law would surely mean/imply peacekeepers present all over Ukraine which surely would not be highly regarded there, I can’t imagine UN going into Ukraine as a whole………….hhhmm.
http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/imf-downgrades-ukraine-growth-outlook/ri9120
Aug 11th
http://fortruss.blogspot.co.uk/2015/08/oleg-tsarev-what-awaits-ukraine.html
article today
http://fortruss.blogspot.co.uk/2015/08/ukraines-last-chance-finance-ministrys.html
Aug 6th
The catalyst for the timing of the invasion of Iraq was Iraq’s proposal to trade outside US dollars.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-us-king-dollar-has-no-clothes-americas-toilet-paper-money/5468630
http://www.globalresearch.ca/what-chinas-devaluation-means-to-the-u-s-economy/5468540
This like yesterday was a sign of weakness and vulnerability affording myriad opportunities.
I would have loved if this article had had some more context. Pro-Kiev press reported about a DNR attack on Starognatovka. They claim that Telmanovo is one of the places that came under attack in the counter-attack.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/08/12/ukraine-s-cold-war-gets-hot-as-combat-explodes-in-the-last-24-hours.html?via=ios
Their source is The Interpreter.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article42604.htm
link to half hour radio broadcast 10th Aug, Stephen Cohen, who is blocking Minsk , Ukraine as USA colony etc
“And make sure where the local bomb shelter is (if there is one).”
I live close to an airforce base in New Mexico. I’m sure it would be a target in a nuclear exchange. I am close enough that I’d probably be instantaneously vaporized, which I could live with, so to speak. Sorry for the world in general if it comes to that, but I can think of worse ways to go, for myself (plus I’m not very happy).
OSCE should be dragged to see the dead civilians and forced to stay in the field to be shelled by the Ukies.