An important disclaimer, caveat and clarification
First, I will begin by a clear disclaimer which I ask you all to please carefully read and then keep in mind: I personally am not advocating any option for the final status of Novorussia. That is for the people of Novorussia to decide and any option that they will chose I will support. Furthermore, at this point in time I am not even personally sure what option I would recommend if asked to do so simply because the devil is in the details, not the big words. What I propose to do below is to look at a number of issues related to this question but that analysis should not be interpreted as a personal endorsement of any solution.
Second, I have carefully parsed the news out of Minsk, Novorussia and Russia and I am left with the strong feeling that nothing has really been decided, hence the apparent zig-zags and changing interpretations over the terms offered by the Novorussian delegation.
Third, I urge everybody to be extremely cautious with Russian news sources including Russian TV channels and RT. Why? Because Russia has a major stake in this fight and that I am absolutely certain that the Russian elites are split on what the best solution would be for Russia. There are also informal, shall we say, “groups of like-minded people” inside the Russian media who are trying to promote the interest of their patrons and supporters. And while it is would be an oversimplification to say that, for example, NTV stands for “position A” while RT stands for “position B”, I know for a fact that inside RT, NTV, Rossia, REN-TV and the rest of various groups have various agendas: one editorial board might have a very different position than another one, even inside the same media outlet.
Fourth, Russian interests should not be automatically conflated with the interests of Novorussia, just as the interests of the Russian and Novorussian elites should not be conflated with the interests of the Russian and Novorussian people. Seems obvious, but I feel that this should be clearly stated again because any agreement on the final status of Novorussia will be the resulting vector of the goals many very different interests groups and almost certainly end up being a compromise from which nobody will walk away with everything they want.
Having said that, now let’s look at how this all began.
How did we get here?
Six months ago all the eastern Ukrainians wanted were a) guarantees for the Russian language and b) fiscal autonomy. That’s it. Nothing else. As for Russia, her position was equally clear: a united and neutral Ukraine respectful of the civil rights of all its citizens. Sounds like a no-brainer, right?
As for the Ukrainian opposition, it officially wanted to remove an oligarch-controlled government and sign an Association with the EU. Again, pretty straightforward.
Now, think of it, a compromise solution was rather obvious: the election of a new, non-oligarch controlled government which would sign an Association agreement with the EU and commit itself to the civil rights of all Ukrainians, including the cultural and linguistic rights of the eastern Ukrainians. Yanukovich even went as far as to offer Iatseniuk the post of Prime Minister. So why did it not happen?
Because the protest movement was completely co-opted, hijacked, manipulated, controlled, financed, organized and run by the USA who used EU political elites and a group of bona fide Nazis to achieve regime change and draw the Ukraine into the AngloZionist sphere of influence. What they wanted was a Ukraine economically exploited by the EU and militarily owned by the US via NATO. This plan centered on not only severing away the Ukraine from Russia and its economic union with Belarus, Kazakhstan, Armenia and others, but to also on severing the economic ties between Russia and Europe (an old US goal dating from the Cold War when the US did everything it could to prevent the USSR from selling gas to western Europe).
You can think of the Nazi freaks as the Ukie equivalent of al-Qaeda or ISIS: rabid hateful murderous lunatics who literally cannot contain their hatred and desire to oppress and murder. Of course, under US pressure, they tried very hard to act like sane and civilized people, but time and again they failed, hence the references to Russian speakers as sub-humans/non-humans, Timoshenko’s desire to use nukes to exterminate the “accursed Moskals”, the apparently crazy insistence that only Ukrainian be an official language or the equally imbecile categorical refusal of any form of federation. Needless to say, as soon as these crazies got to power, they immediately passed a series of fantastically stupid and provocative laws such as the re-authorization of Nazi propaganda or the repeal of the official status of the Russian language. Unsurprisingly, the folks in the east freaked out and correctly concluded that “the Nazis are back”.
As a result, a double dynamic was created: the crazies in the USA (the Neocons) directly threatened the vital/existential interests of Russia while the crazies in Kiev (the Nazis) directly threatened the vital/existential interests of the population of eastern and southern Ukraine. In doing so they left the Donbass and Russia no other option than to react and directly respond to that danger.
This is important because what has been done cannot be simply wished away and undone. Both Russia and Novorussia are now in a “survival mode” in which nothing short of a full elimination of these vital/existential threats will do. In other words, the US Empire’s AngloZionist project AND the Ukie Nazi experiment must absolutely and definitely be defeated and conditions must be created which will forever prevent it’s reemergence.
Where do we stand now?
First, I would argue that the Junta repression force (JRF) has been defeated. Not strategically (if only because it enjoys an immense strategic depth and still huge human and material resources), but operationally. All the signs are that the Novorussian Armed Forces (NAF) are careful not to over-play their hand or push too far to the west, so things look very good for Novorussia right now. Second, the Junta has also been defeated politically: if in the past the Ukrainian people had an oligarch-controlled government, now they have a government of oligarchs. And they know it. Furthermore, the Nazis have shown their true face (Odessa, Mariupol, MH17, MLRS and ballistic missiles used on civilians with white phosphor and cluster munitions, etc.). Third, predictably, the Ukie economy is in free fall and for all practical purposes the Ukie industry is dead. I would call that a full-spectrum failure for the Junta.
Uncle Sam is not doing much better: Crimea is lost forever, the Donbass is also lost for all practical purpose, Putin is more popular than ever, the EU tensions with the US are up (the Czech and Slovak republics have both announced that they will veto any further sanctions against Russia), and the US puppet-junta in Kiev has completely lost control of the situation.
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As for the EU, it truly screwed-up badly. The recent election of Donald Tusk and Federica Mogherini to the positions of President of the EU Council and EU Foreign Policy Chief is definitely good news, but it is also too little too late. The mess left behind by Catherine Ashton and Herman Van Rompuy will take years of painful efforts to clear. Besides, that other crazy, Anders Fogh Rasmussen, is still there, every bit as crazy and pathetic as always. But for all the hot air blowing out of Rasmussen and a few more EU politicians, the EU has no stomach for more sanctions, much less so an ugly sanctions war with Russia. The Russians know that, and so all they have to do now is wait for the fruit to become ripe (or rotten, really) and fall down on their lap.
There will be a NATO summit next week in Wales were Obama and his Neocon coterie of foreign policy advisors will most definitely push for a series of anti-Russian measure backed by very loud and macho statement about how Russia must be stopped, Europe protected and the NATO recognized as absolutely indispensable. More men, more guns, more threats and, last but not least, more dollars for the US military-industrial complex. Russia, however, will remain unimpressed for a very simple reason: the US and the EU have already been at the maximal anti-Russian policies for many years already. In fact, the only anti-Russian policies which the AngloZionist Empire has not adopted yet are those which would hurt it more than they would hurt Russia. Put differently, from now on any anti-Russian sanctions adopted will, by definition, hurt the AngloZionists more than they will hurt Russia (which they still will, of course). The conclusion is obvious: the West simply cannot afford a sustained sanctions war against Russia.
There is still a real danger out there
The problem with the AngloZionists is that they are arrogant and stupid enough to stumble into a variant of the Israeli “Samson Option“: to strike out at their enemy even if that means bringing down the entire building on themselves. Contrary to many analysts, I don’t think that the Americans are actually dumb enough to deliberately start a war against Russia, much less so a nuclear one, but they are arrogant enough to paint themselves into a corner in which the only way to save face is to use military force. They are also capable of creating an extremely dangerous military situation in which even a firecracker can set off a shooting war (remember the insane USN posturing in the Strait of Hormuz or in the Taiwan Strait?). The Russians must absolutely remain aware of this danger and thus never assume that the Americans are rational or prudent. History proves that they are reckless and happy to create a situation resulting in war (US policies towards Japan before WWII are a perfect example).
Now let’s look at the options for Novorussia
As I have mentioned already, the devil is in the details, but there are basically to main options for Novorussia 1) full (de facto and de jure) independence 2) practical (de facto but not de jure) independence. I honestly believe that any other option which would fall short of de facto independence is simply impossible to achieve. The Novorussians will not live under Kiev’s police or military, they will not pay Kiev more than purely symbolic taxes and they will most definitely not accept any limitation of their cultural, linguistic and economic rights, including the right to do business directly with Russia. I consider that option as so unlikely, short of a massive and sustain bloodbath, that I won’t even consider it any further. So let’s look at the two remaining options.
a) Full (de facto and de jure) independence: Novorussia
Advantages: Security: possibility to either join Russia or sign a mutual assistance treaty which could include the basing of Russian forces in Novorussia. This would provide the ideal and maximal protection from any future attacks from the Ukies. Economy: no taxes paid to Kiev, association with Russia, full access to the huge Eurasian market, work for the Russian industry, social rights paid for by Russia (as part of an aid package). The joy of having fully won and to not have to deal with the crazies in the western Ukraine. Full and total de-Nazification.
Disadvantages: maximalist position which leave no face saving way out for the crazies in Kiev and Washington, major difficulties in being internationally recognized. This option also leaves all the rest of the ex-Ukraine in the hands of the AngloZionists and Nazis who will constantly sabotage, subvert and disrupt the life of Novorussia. There is a real chance that this might mean leaving cities and regions like Odessa, Dniepropetrovsk, Kharkov, Chernigov, Nikolaev and many other historically Russian part of the ex-Ukraine to whatever regime is in power in Kiev. Constant military danger: the current Ukie Minister of Defense promised a victory parade for the Ukie forces in Sevastopol, I kid you not. You can imagine what folks like him will have to say to an independent Novorussia. Key problem: this maximalist position leave no incentive whatsoever for Kiev to negotiate.
b) Practical (de facto but not de jure) independence: “Ukraine v2”
Advantages: Novorussia already gets much more than what it wanted six months ago (see above). By preserving the fiction of a unitary Ukraine this solution leaves everybody a face saving way out and the major outside actors (Russia, US, EU, UN, OSCE) can all sign the deal and be declared guarantors. Also, if Novorussia is nominally part of the “Ukraine v2” then it gives the people of the eastern Ukraine (who are the richest, best educated majority of the Ukrainian population) a chance to counter-act and challenge the rule of Nazis in Kiev and maybe serve as a basis to bring down the current “Banderastan” and replace it instead with a “Ukraine v2”. Furthermore, a united Ukraine would be in a much better position to receive desperately needed international aid and money to rebuild. Considering that at least initially the Nazi freaks would remain in power in Kiev we can be pretty sure that they will further destroy even the little left of “Banderastan” and that, sooner or later, some regime change will occur. If the new regime in power is more or less sane, the eastern Ukraine could demand that those responsible for the mess be brought to trial and that a “truth and reconciliation” type commission be formed.
Disadvantages: There is a real risk that the Poroshenko regime will fall and be replaced by a Iarosh dictatorship. Alternatively, southern Banderastan might break away from Kiev and for a “Kolomoiskistan”. Either way, the collapse of the Poroshenko regime risks sucking in the Donbass into a 2nd phase of the civil war with no option for overt Russian aid (covert aid would, of course, be provided). Even the notion of being represented by Nazi freaks in Kiev or to put up with a Ukie flag would be sickening for all those who died in defense of Novorussia. Furthermore, if the deal does not look solid or stable, far from coming back home from Russia, even more Novorussians would “vote with their feet” and emigrate to Russia. Nowadays, even the people of Crimea are still nervous and Russian politicians, including Putin, have had to constantly tell them “no, this time it’s forever, we will never abandon you, this is not something which will ever be overturned”. If the folks in Crimea are worried about their future even though they are now legally part of Russia, you can imagine how frightened and unsure the people of Novorussia would be in any kind of “association” with Kiev, even a purely formal one.
These are only a few examples, there are many more which could be listed as advantages and disadvantages for both the independent Novorussia and the “Ukraine v2” option.
My very highly speculative and personal guess
Russia’s preferred option
I think that Russia would prefer a Ukraine v2 version. From the point of view of Russia, it has a lot of advantages (like forcing the “Ukraine v2” to adopt a completely neutral, non-aligned, status). As I have always said, Russia does not want or need the Ukraine. What it wants is a stable, neutral and prosperous Ukraine, and not because Putin and the rest of the folks in the Kremlin are saints or Ukrainophiles, but because that is for the objective best interest for Russia. The only thing Russia needed it already got: Crimea.
To those of you who might be appalled at the notion of a less-than-fully-independent Novorussia or a “Ukraine v2” I will say that I very much doubt that Russia can impose such an outcome on the people of Novorussia. Sure, I am not naive, Zakharchenko and current Novorussian leaders got their power in a Moscow-backed change of leadership, so their ties to Moscow are very close, but the real power of Zakharchenko & Co. is that they have the support and consensus of the vast majority of the people of Novorussia, especially those fighting in the NAF. I never believed in a “sellout” of Novorussia (even though I always feared it), and I am confident that should such a “sellout” occur the only real force in Novorussia – the NAF – will never let it happen. Likewise any such “sellout” would trigger a severe political crisis for Putin.
All this is to say that while I do believe that, given the choice and option, Putin and his advisors would prefer a de-facto but not fully de-jure semi-independent Novorussia inside a very loose “Ukraine v2” I do not believe that a “sellout” is either what they want or even something they could do: the ultimate guarantor of the de-facto independence of Novorussia is not Putin or Russia, but the armed men of the NAF.
Novorussia’s preferred option
What would the people of Novorussia and, especially, the NAF prefer?
I honestly don’t know but I suppose that full independence is their preferred goal. Still, the situation is complex and there are very solid argument speaking against such an option and for a “Ukraine v2” (as there very are solid arguments speaking in favor of a fully independent Novorussia and against a “Ukraine v2”).
One could also make a case that right now is not the correct time to make this choice. For one thing, nobody knows who will be in power in Kiev in just a few months. The winter is coming and the gas negotiations are becoming huge. Depending on what NATO does or does not decide, one of the other option might become a clearly better choice (just imagine NATO forces in Kiev!).
We have to give time to time (French expression)
The examples of Korea, Cyprus, Kosovo, Transnistria and many others show that sometimes the only solution is not solution at all. The examples of Ireland or Chechnia show that some solutions are not at all the ones initially considered. Furthermore, I would want to add here that the real end-goal of Russia in the Ukraine is not getting Crimea or saving the Donbass, but to achieve real regime change in Kiev. Only that option would be an outcome which would really please Moscow and, if we keep that in mind, it is not at all clear to me that full independence for Novorussia is the best way to get there. And let us also ponder this question: what is better for the people of Novorussia, full independence from the Ukraine or real, lasting, regime change in Kiev?
Just as in chess, time and timing are crucial pieces on the board. Those who over the past few months were hysterically accusing Putin of being a traitor who will backstab the Novorussians simply failed to appreciate the importance of time and timing in strategy. I am sorry to say that, no offense intended, but many people in the West have been raised, educated and trained in a culture of instant action-reaction, of immediate, almost kneejerk, responses. They are used to consider only short-term rapidly achievable options. Russia, and even more so China, are very different in this prospect. These two nations build their immense countries by slow and steady progress, not by short pushes. And though the Russian in the street might also prefer a fast solution to the Ukrainian problem, the folks in the Kremlin, especially former intelligence officers like Putin, fully realize that the “Ukrainian problem” is 400 to 800 years old, depending on how you define it (please read this and this if you are interested) and that it will not be solved in a few months. This is especially true considering that in the current situation the real cause and force behind the current Ukrainian crisis is the AngloZionist Empire.
The real, “real”, goal of Putin (and Xi Jinping!)
As I have mentioned it here many, many times, the real “real” end-goal of Russia is not even regime change in Kiev: it is regime change on the planet. There is no doubt in my mind whatsoever that both Russia and China want to create a New World Order, but one very different one from the one envisioned by Bush, Fukuyama, Obama and the rest of the AngloZionist 1%ers. Russia and China want a complete deconstruction of the AngloZionist Empire, they want to de-dollarize the world economy, the want an multi-polar international world order in which the rule of law is respected because it is understood that it is the most advantageous way to deal with problems. Russia see its future in her North and in Siberia, China wants its economy to go global, including the Far-East Asia and the Pacific region, Africa and Latin America. Russia also wants to role of Latin America and Central Asia to become more important because without these continents and regions there can be no truly multi-polar world. I would also argue that both Russia and China are rejecting the western civilizational model and it’s key dogmas (I won’t list them here lest I offend or infuriate new readers, but my longtime readers know exactly what I mean) and that they are both seeking to create not only a different world order but a different civilization. All this is much, much bigger than the Donbass or even the entire Ukraine. Yes, at this moment in time, the frontline of the global civilizational war is going straight across the Ukraine, but this is only one battle in a much bigger and wider war.
Judging by some very telling statements of Zakharchenko in his recent press conference, I am confident that he understands that very well. I have no doubt whatsoever that Putin does.
Conclusion
The main conclusion I hope that you all will draw from the above is that we should not jump to conclusions and avoid making big sweeping judgments. If I have convinced you that this is a very tricky, complex and multi-dimensional issue then I am satisfied. If I get another deluge of one sentence slogans in favor of either option, then I failed. As I said, I am not sure that anybody really knows were this is all taking us. For one thing, the Ukies and their western patrons have reneged on every single agreement they have signed since last Fall and there is really no rational reason to expect them to stick to anything they might sign this time. Or maybe these negotiations will lead nowhere and the chaos and “somalization” of the ex-Ukraine will continue. The other day Putin said this: “no matter where the US gets involved they always achieve the same result: Libya“. That is quite true and maybe a libyalization of Banderastan needs to happen before everybody comes to his/her senses. Or maybe, this is terrible to say, is the situation more similar to the one in Chechnia in 1999 when a lot of people had to be simply physically eliminated, killed, before any solution could be found (sadly, but Nazis and Wahabis have that in common that the only way to deal with most of them is to kill them). I honestly don’t know.
So let us keep an eye on this incredibly fluid, complex and dangerous situation and not pretend like it is simple and the solution obvious.
Stay tuned, as always, I will do my best to keep you posted.
Kind regards and many thanks,
The Saker
PS: this is yet another one of my “written in one shot between several other committments” posts, so please forgive the bad grammar, spelling, syntax and style. I simply physically do not have the time to correct this. Sorry, gotta run :-) The Saker
Note: Saker correctly says Fukuyama as in end of history, not Fukushima as not quite end of history, yet.
As an extraneous speculation. I wonder if Moscow will deliver V.Yanukovych in hand cuffs as a sacrificial good will gesture to Kiev (if Kiev survives in any functional shape) in the near future.
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Anglozionist is rightwotd because england is the seat of all e il satanic plotting which it gives americans to execute and since 80s the jewshave been coopted inlooting of the worldby english race and its creation of 5 evileyes.
I’m just wondering. Could McCain REALLY have been so stupid as to have given his vitamin shot to Maidan without guessing the consequences or was this just another Brzezinski “how can we sucker Russia into an Afghan intervention” move?
If so, truly evil stuff going on, playing with lives like that.
It’s hard to believe, since he played the same grandstanding routine with his “not really ISIS, just sometimes’ Syrians.
But then there was Saakashvili.
This McCain, really strange character. Major threat to national security any which way he walks.
Can’t the Europeans label him a terrorist or something?
Re: Anonymous (01.31)
I can’t even pretend that I understood what you were trying to say.
But on thing – namely, “the West never gives up” – is a patent nonsense.
In fact, when met with unyielding force – the West ALWAYS GIVES UP.
And so it will be with Novorossia. It make take some time, but the West will give up.
And whatever is left of Ukraine will give up even sooner, when it signs mutual recognition treaty with Novorossia in order to halt Novorossian advance on Kiev.
re: “Members in US politics who hold dual US/Israeli citizenship:: …
13. UN Representative (Former) – John Bolton”
I could find no evidence anywhere that John Bolton had dual citizenship. He was of course a fervent (very obnoxious) neocon.
I think you got it right, Saker. I wish the trolls and orks in Washington would listen to people like you, but of course they can’t. Their ears are stuffed with money from ‘certain sources’. what can we people do when our ‘betters’ wage war on our behalf? Going to the streets didn’t cut it in Iraq. I guess just to wage a paper war on Congress? but they don’t listen either. Dunno what to do except hope for the best and pray.
Also, what is happening in the monasteries in Ukraine?
My parish supports a monastery that has a large orphanage. We periodically send money there. and then there is the famous Monastery of the caves in Kiev. what is happening there? Can you give us an update, for the orthodox on this list?
Jim of Olym
Since Russians are People too.. Only culture is different but the best and worst of them are pretty much the same numbers…
We should also not forget that Merkels party paid the protesters at maiden. She might not have handed out cookies but she started this and looks like she is trying to get back into the thick of things.
There is no one to negotiate fairly with here. The AZ project with germany in there and the ukie nazi’s are out for blood using ignorance and propaganda. And now it looks like they dont care what damage they do to themselves because they are a gonner anyway..
Any deal that dont give control of their own destiny in the east will play into their hands.
Back in 2001, Greg Palast interviewed Joseph Stiglitz and wrote “The Globalizer Who Came In From the Cold”.
It is entertaining yet sobering reading and it’s still here: http://www.gregpalast.com/the-globalizer-who-came-in-from-the-cold/
Ukraine really is in deep trouble.
The oligarchs are not in power to serve their country. They are in power to *loot* their country.
Given the billions of dollars at stake, the lives of tens of thousands of Ukrainians may count for little in government decision making.
Crossvader said…
Re: Anonymous (01.31)
I can’t even pretend that I understood what you were trying to say.
But on thing – namely, “the West never gives up” – is a patent nonsense.
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True. Porkshanks fails to understand two fundamental flaws in the American character: 1) We try to avoid a loser at all costs. Our psyches are conditioned to not do otherwise, and 2) We have a very short attention span.
1 + 1 = Porkshanks may very well be hung out to dry before the first snows. Single paragraph worthy on pg. 5 in the NYT.
Colonel Cassad reports (English: “Mariupol Direction”, also in Russian) that the Ukes are forming 16 battalions of National Guard contract troops, impressed from prior-service veterans, grouped in brigades, supported by artillery, air defense, and logistics (tanks not mentioned explicitly). Supposed to be ready by mid September. He implies they’ll be a formidable force. So maybe we shouldn’t count our chickens before they hatch.
The article (on cassad-eng as well) also mentions that the top bonus to NR is the incompetence of the Ukrainian military leadership. :-)
The other bonus for NR is the deterioration of morale in the Ukie army.
Ford Prefect,
Judging by your own blog – I gave it a cursory look – you manage to be spectacularly wrong every time you volunteer a prediction (Georgia to become a NATO member in 2008, with US missiles placed into it…the war with Iran will happen, written in 2008…and finally, “the US is firmly on top” in August 2008, right before the bottom fell out of the US economy).
So, if past performance is an indication of future results – which almost always is true – being a prophet is not your strong suit.
You should probably hold on to your day job, if it doesn’t involve making predictions.
Nice analysis Saker, and a useful call for restraint.
I do think that the security of Novorossiya will always lie in its control or effective neutralization of Kiev. I don’t see how this strategic reality could ever be different, and certainly the NAF knows all this. I don’t know what this means operationally or politically, but I’m quite content to wait and see.
Novorossiya’s political power grows out of NAF’s gun and no one is about to give that up until all of that capital has been realized. NAF will only stop when it has secured its homeland, militarily and politically.
I think NAF is more than a match for anything that nato can dream of throwing at it – dream being its only action. I do hope to see Novorossiya keep its current vision and adopt a very pro-active position covertly with the rest of Ukraine and maybe even Europe, for as long into the future as it remains necessary.
I agree it’s all far from over yet, but I do think we’ve passed a tipping point here, for Novorossiya, for Ukraine, for the demise of the empire – and more largely, for the global class struggle, which I believe has the dimensions of Larchmonter’s view earlier, but which I don’t especially want to go into at the moment, because it’s a hell of a buzzkill ;)
“if in the past the Ukrainian people had an oligarch-controlled government, now they have a government of oligarchs”
This is the true essence of fascism.
“Fascism is the government of the financial capital itself.” (Georgi Dimitrov).
@WizOz said:
“British Israelism (also called Anglo-Israelism) is a doctrine based on the hypothesis that people of Western European descent, particularly those in Great Britain, are the direct lineal descendants of the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel.”
My grandfather, a Methodist, believed that nonsense. Fortunately, my father didn’t ;-)
Saker:
You continue to leave out the most sensible option of all for Russia and Donbass.
“HA KNEB” – TO KIEV.
A successful military campaign in Donbass will end when they have captured and linked up the following oblasts:
Lugansk, Donetsk, Kharkov, Zaporozhzia, Kherson, Dnipropetrovsk, Nikolaiv, Odessa, Kirovohrad, Sumy, Poltava, Chernigov, Cherkassy, Kiev, Zhitomir. This state will also encompass Transnistria and Gauguzia. This will be the state of Novorossiya. By capturing Kiev it will capture the government and international recognition of statehood as well as the legacies and obligations of the Ukrainian state. It will not be called Ukraine.
At the same time, Transcarpathia will break off and be either independent, or revert to Slovakia or Hungary.
In the west, Lviv, Ivano-Frankivsk, Ternopil, Chernovitsi, Khmelnitsky, Vinnitsia, Volyn, and Rivne will become an new independent state called Ukraine.
By capturing the central government, Novorossiya gains the ability to make internationally recognized treaties with the surrounding and successor states. These will be as follows:
1) Novorossiya remains independent and joins the Eurasian Union. Population 32 million.
2) Crimea and Sevastopol is ceded to Russia by treaty. Population 2 million.
3) Transcarpathia is recognized as independent and allowed to join the EU. Population 1 million.
4) Ukraine is recognized as independent and allowed to join the EU. Population 11 million.
5) Moldova undergoes a negotiated settlement of boundaries that releases Trannistria and possibly other areas to Novorossia’s Odessa Oblast and Gauguzia to Budjak as a new oblast and joins Romanian territories in Tranistria and Budjak to Moldova and then rump Moldova to Romania and thus the EU.
“particularly those in Great Britain, are the direct lineal descendants of the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel”
How can anyone claim to be a descendant of a *lost* tribe?
Dear Saker
You said
The recent election of Donald Tusk and Federica Mogherini to the positions of President of the EU Council and EU Foreign Policy Chief is definitely good news, but it is also too little too late.
How do you know that it is a good news.
With this elections we have the same situation as when was elected terrorist Obama.
When Bush Jr was the president then Euro-Nazists did not want shake hand with him.
In the White House they changed person and he received the Nobel and Euro-Nazists welcomed the new shit.
That is how work “democracy” in NATO countries.
Před 75 lety začala Druhá světová válka přepadením Polska nacisty. Včera byl polský nacistický pohrobek instalován jako prezident EU
http://www.stalo-se.cz/?p=21028
European president installed Pole Donald Tusk. Grandfather Donald Joseph was an officer SS, see pictures, and had in Poland to participate in Nazi atrocities. Today, Poland is the most aggressive state in the European Union, which wants to model after Nazi Germany attack Russia and declare war on him. It is therefore not surprising then, that the President of the European Union and Nazi posthumous Donald Duck from Poland.
Katherine:
Many feel that the gun culture of teh USA originated in the South and the Appalachian regions and was carried to the rest of the continent with settlers from those regions.
Appalachia extends north through West Virginia, Pennsylvania, and the Southern Tier of New York, as well as Southern Ohio, Indiana, and Illinois. In the south it encompasses Kentucky, eastern Tennessee and western North Carolina and down into northern Georgia above Atlanta.
This region was very much pro-Union and anti-Confederacy during the Civil War – accounting for the secession of West Virginia and the easy reconquest of eastern Tennessee (home of US Vice President Andy Johnson). The inhabitants were hard-scrabble whites mainly from Scotland, Ireland, and northern England. They were too poor to own slaves and disdained mixing in any way with other races, and mainly lived as independent farmers and cattlemen. They despised slavery, the slave owners, and the slaves in relatively equal measure. If they are the progentior of the gun culture (which is debatable – Anglo-Americans everywhere had and loved guns – Lexington and Concord happened because the British tried to confiscate the artillery and muskets/rifles at Concord), its because of their closeness to the Indian areas, and thus to the persistent war with the American Indians as the Appalachians extended their settlements west, as well as their tendency to live in part off the hunt like Indians, especially small game like rabbit and squirrel. These are the people labeled as hillbillies, and it is correct to see Missouri, Kansas, Arkansas, and Oklahoma (and then west through Arizona to southern California) as an extension of this cultural area.
The confederacy was an extension of the planter culture of Tidewater Virginia and South Carolina. This culture was dominated by elitist “younger son” descendants of western and southern England who recreated the aristocratic estate culture of the Norman-Saxon heartland in the coastal American south, but with enslved African blacks instead of enserfed British villeins. Beneath this upper crust of society was the second tier of managers and overseers of the slaves who are the progentior of southern redneck culture.
There is no reason to blame the southerners as particularly militaristic. The northerm mercantile elites and New Englanders were and are just as bad, and are the originating source and sustaining influence of American imperialistic jingoism – it wasn’t accidental that the Jewish neoconservatives found a welcoming home in Anglo New York City society. The only peceful culture in America is the pacificistic Midlands – the Quakers and German Pietists and their Scandanavia fellow travellers stretching out from Philadelphia through Chicago and into the northern Midwest and the source of American isolationism.
Dear Saker
In this Polish newspaper is voting
What is your relationship to Russia and Russians?
50% Neutral
47% Positive
3% Negative
Nato-ists are the sole threat to Russia, Europe and all world.
http://www.stalo-se.cz/?p=21028
@ pogo,
You forgot Hillary Rotham Clingon, the Apartheid State’s 6th wheel in the US.
Dear Saker
Could you make voting
what name to choose
– AIN American Imperial Nationalists
– Ali Baba and 40 thieves
– AngloZionist
– UKUSA
– NATO-EU
– Anglo-Nazist
– Euro-nazists
– Natoists
So that we at least on “Saker” use a uniform name…and Dearest Saker, please could we stop using word “West” because the great Satan in London and Washington have chosen that term?
Zagreb – Moscow
Fantastic writing Saker. I read one of the articles you wrote earlier on Ukraine’s history…it was also fantastic.
I wish I had found this site years ago.
I was interested to find out what you said about Yulia’s imprisonment…most alternative media’s very against her…
Thanks you so much for being out there and I’m sending my contribution today.
Saker, this analysis is really to the point. The way things are going in the world, the only constant is that the West will not relent because it is the petro-dollar that is really the issue. That and the75 trillion dollars in oil and natural gas resources that are in Russian arctic waters and Siberia. Of course, along with this is the centuries of British Empire hostility to Russia as the only one able to stand up to her. So the struggle will continue, as the real people behind the hostilities – the Rothschild banking empire and the Rockefeller financial empire – will continue to press for the death of Russia. It is truly a battle of survival, and has been for a long time. The best thing we can do is get as much of the information out as possible on who and what is behind the problems and try to keep people informed. As much as the people of Ukraine are suffering because of being used as pawns by the Western economic interests, we must regretfully expect a long war with many skirmishes.
Saker,
As usual an excellent analysis. You present two basic alternative outcomes. However, I believe that the Ukrainian V2 alternative is not a realistic alternative at all. Given the economic and social breakdown of the country over this coming winter, I would not at all be surprised to see a Libyanisation of Ukraine occur. Such a condition is not receptive at all to a stable V2 as a V2 precludes some measure of stability in the Western portions of Ukraine, which I think at this point will suffer severe meltdown instead. Therefore, there will be no Ukraine to make a deal with under those circumstances. Even if somehow a quick resolution were agreed over the next couple months (HIGHLY unlikely), the agreement would never make it past the winter as Ukraine society and economy disintegrate.
I suggest that Russia is more than aware of this, as are the Novorossiyans who will, I believe push past the DPR and the LPR and attempt to take all of the South to Odessa and join with Transdnistria. This move will be one that is forced upon Russia to support covertly in order to stabilise and secure the entire Southeast from the chaos to come out of Kiev and the West.
I believe you are correct that the overall best solution is a Ukraine V2, but I can not believe that that is a viable reality for the foreseeable future.
The creation of a union of the Southeast will of course present its own problems – lack of international support, continual threat of subversion from Kiev and what to do with the property and persons of the oligarchs currently ruling that area.
But in the end, I do not think it will be a free choice as such but instead a forced defensive position against the West and NATO. And it could well end up sparking a hot war with NATO. After a limited war begins, the options are even more limited.
@Tom, @WizOz
“Tom said…
@WizOz said:
“British Israelism (also called Anglo-Israelism) is a doctrine based on the hypothesis that people of Western European descent, particularly those in Great Britain, are the direct lineal descendants of the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel.”
My grandfather, a Methodist, believed that nonsense. Fortunately, my father didn’t ;-)”
British Israelism???? There is a hymn, jerusalem, sung at English rugby matches, but that is the only fossilised evidence i know of.
As a well educated Englishman I have never heard of it before.
One can argue that your points here are optimistic:
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Six months ago all the eastern Ukrainians wanted were a) guarantees for the Russian language and b) fiscal autonomy. That’s it. Nothing else. As for Russia, her position was equally clear: a united and neutral Ukraine respectful of the civil rights of all its citizens. Sounds like a no-brainer, right?
As for the Ukrainian opposition, it officially wanted to remove an oligarch-controlled government and sign an Association with the EU. Again, pretty straightforward.
Now, think of it, a compromise solution was rather obvious: the election of a new, non-oligarch controlled government which would sign an Association agreement with the EU and commit itself to the civil rights of all Ukrainians, including the cultural and linguistic rights of the eastern Ukrainians.
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Russia wanted to keep the Crimea and eventually have that recognized. This is a huge deal that pretty much puts any possible Ukrainian government in a hopeless position of weakness that can only be fought with strong anti-Russian measures.
Russia and the Novorossiyans also wanted a compromise over the Eurasian Customs Union, so signing the EU deal was not really OK.
Finally, one could make the argument that those in the southeast were really in the same position as the Kremlin. They were shocked and threatened that fascism had grown so strong, and didn’t know what to do about it. This complicates things immensely as one can no longer trust any document that is signed.
Maybe what I am trying to say here is that the mainstream opposition was very Nazi-friendly. It isn’t the 20,000 Nazis that are the problem; it is that the Nazi-friendly mindset is quite common in Western and Central Ukraine now. To them, banning Russian is a compromise. They want Russian territory.
@Ford Prefect 02 September, 2014 02:06
Unfortunately, in the longer run, your logic makes perfect sense to me but, as you, I hope for a very different outcome.
by XbNB anon,anon,anon,give us all a break here.your posting ,if no name appears top OR bottom,is totally AVOIDED.A lot of us wont even look at the words you have carefully crafted,sans cajones.thats my two sentences,S,.
Point is MH17 !!! This Cardiff meeting of minds,sarc,MUST address where the data from the aircraft has disappeared,or look like even more complete fools in the eyes of the seeing world.
I will not be surprised if Porky appears here ,Cardiff, as a surprise guest,AND is given a standing ovation.
What an attempted insult to the East and the golfer and his pet poodle will be smiling with such strained ease as on the 18th green and coming out of the surf,as Cam has never grown up.He hasnt had to.He was a millionaire before he left school.
A ten mile ,nine foot high fence will not stop the ridicule of the masses reaching them.stick it to em Wales.C.A.B.
Get well soon, george G.
XbNB
@ RObin Morrit,
Q: How can anyone claim to be a descendant of a *lost* tribe?
R: It also gives a new dimension to the phrase ‘get lost‘…
Perhaps you obscure interactive process thereby over-extrapolating and over-estimating the agency of the opponents?
Perhaps you restrict the period and scope of the war?
Perhaps your method/process of analysis/representation creates lacunae which in extrapolation are subject to metatasis?
Saker, a very good analysis which more or less agrees with what I can glean out of different sources. A lot depends on variables which are still in the making. I do agree the US has made a large financial commitment and the PSYOPS war is being waged full press. The sanctions are having an effect on the Russian oligarchy but perhaps this is something Putin desires as he has been slowly removing them from influence.
One important thing though is that the anniversary of 9/11 is coming and the US economy is actually in horrible shape. The market is at least 40% overbought and a correction is overdue. Another significant 9/11 event, as promised by ISIS and others, might be sufficient to topple the markets despite efforts of the PPT to keep it stable. The Bears are itching for massive profits from this collapse and have been held in check for a long time now. The other aspects affecting the US with regard to world hegemony are the enormous debt and slow unraveling of the socialistic economy based entirely on war. It is not only desirable to wage a full out war against a traditional enemy, but perhaps necessary to forestall the collapse. It can easily be done through the simpletons in the EU acting as the US proxies. What the EU fails to understand is that the main goal of the US coup was to not only try and effect a regime change in both Ukraine and Russia but to also completely collapse the EU economy thereby increasing US hegemony. The EU is a competitor not an ally. Then the US can move on to disrupt Asia and take out the 2nd largest threat China through a similar economic collapse. There is much more going on here than meets the eye.
@Daniel Rich: Q: How can anyone claim to be a descendant of a *lost* tribe?
R: It also gives a new dimension to the phrase ‘get lost’…
Dearest Daniel,
Man I always try to pay tribute to your excellent and thought provoking Q&A.
Never, have a chance, as no further comments are necessary. ~:)
You are an excellent “One Man” show, and every time you bring smile to my face, while reading your stimulating Q&A.
Keep up the good work!
Best regards,
Mohamed.
IQ test:
Fill in the missing name in the sentence “NWO, Bush, F.., Obama”, using one of the following possibilities:
Fukushima
Fukuyama
Fukuyoka
Hint: the correct answer will imply an end of history.
@anderson 9/1 13:23
It is a pity that your veiled criticism is completely off the mark.
Suggestions are there for a reason: if the objective of the Saker is to alienate and polarize, then usage of such terms as AngloZionist will work very nicely.
If, on the other hand, the objective is to provide potentially open minded people in the US and Europe a viable alternative to their present main stream media diet of information, then it makes sense to not use such terminology that the Saker would be labelled a nut job.
For most Americans, the term AngloZionist is most commonly used by gun nuts in the wilds of Idaho.
@WizOz 9/2 2:03
Simply because one publisher (out of hundreds) in London speaks toward Anglo-Israelism does not mean that this view permeates the entire upper British establishment.
Is the British Royal Family Jewish? Are there huge numbers of Jews in the British government, Parliament, etc?
The US and UK support for Israel can as easily be explained by an incestuous financial relationship where annual billions of foreign aid sent to Israel is re-patriated back in the form of gifts and/or campaign contributions as it can by some nebulous pseudo-religious belief.
Andrew,
Agreed, your proposed new map of the Ukraine is the logical goal for Russia. Many have mentioned something along these lines. Not sure if the new country will be as stable as we would like, though, because a lot folks in Central Ukraine are anti-Russian now. On the other hand, if that state is like Switzerland and Galicia goes away, it could make the Donbass feel like they didn’t die just to have Ukrainian nationalists in Kiev boss them around.
To make it work might require encouraging Ukrainian nationalists to move to their Zion in Lvov.
Anonymous said…
@anderson 9/1 13:23
It is a pity that your veiled criticism is completely off the mark.
I kinda agree, anonymous. Some of us spend months reading quietly before venturing our own opinions.
Sadly, I’m getting close to leaving the Vineyard.
Still, there’s a corner of Runcorn that is forever Novorossiya! The Battle Flag flies in Budworth Close – not that anyone has the slightest idea what it is. Ho hum.
I don’t think leaving a job half done is the right move for Russia or Novorossia.If they accept autonomy with only the 2 Oblasts (or less even) then that leaves the junta to complete their subvertion of the rest of the South and East.And NATO the rest of Ukraine as their prize.Only by contining the war to liberate all of the South and East and forming them into a true “Novorossia” will they be safe,and Crimea as well be safe.I do think a union with the rest of “Ukraine” is the right move in the long term.But only as a union of equals.Two republics uniting in a Federation.Not a tiny mini-state always fighting to survive.And only after destroying the junta regime.I don’t see how leaving them in power can be anything but a disaster.You could never trust them to keep their word.And that would mean the criminals would never face justice for the crimes they committed.
I think a lot of people are shocked in the world by the open show of neo-nazi insignia and ideology in Ukraine.But the reasons are that the ultra-nationalist groups don’t consider it wrong as others in the world do.They consider the nazis to have been friends and allies of a “free” Ukraine during the war.Now of course we know the truth.But for a whole generation at least.That has been taught to them in schools.So they find in natural to flag neo-nazi flags etc.And are surprised that others don’t see the nazis as “good guys”.In Novorossia and in all Ukraine if we win,the first reform needs to be the educational system.They need to rewrite the history books to explain their “Russianess” as part of Rus.And teach the truth about Bandera and his scum.It will take a whole new generation to purge nazism out of Ukraine.
Saker said…”The recent election of Donald Tusk and Federica Mogherini to the positions of President of the EU Council and EU Foreign Policy Chief is definitely good news, but it is also too little too late.”
I am confused as to how the election of Donald Tusk, one of the most, if not the most, vitriolic anti-russian ‘western’ leaders can do much to assist the EU in cooling down their rhetoric and sanctions and promoting a poeaceful settlement in Ukraine. What is behind your comment?
Andrew,
Huh?
The geographical range of the Appalachian Mountains is something quite apart from the term as used sociodemographically. Trust me, there are many other ethnic groups in the areas you apparently consider Appalachia besides the ones you listed — including a whole ton of Germans who were far more anti-slavery and pro-Union than the folks you’re calling hillbillies. In our area, for example, the Scots-Irish were pro-slavery and absolutely had slaves, up to and including their ministers. The German Lutherans did not. I might add that a great many of the people you lump together as hillbillies, especially in the more Northerly parts, would take extreme umbrage at the term. Also, have you any data to substantiate your claim that “the northern mercantile elites… were and are just as bad” ? You might want to re-read Albion’s Seed, bc while you’ve got some of it right, I think you’ve missed parts of it.
Shelia Cassidy,
Yes — but it’s actually the AZ Empire that is struggling for survival, not Russia. I’ll have to try and dig up that link again but Russia has already *sent* two tankers with oil for Europe … *to be paid for in rubles.* ;~)
It’s over — the only issue now is how we deal with it. Or rather, how poorly we deal with it.
What’s really nagging at me right now is the increasing likelihood of yet along false flag on 9/11. We’re certainly being primed for one, damn them.
Andrew,
Huh?
The geographical range of the Appalachian Mountains is something quite apart from the term as used sociodemographically. Trust me, there are many other ethnic groups in the areas you apparently consider Appalachia besides the ones you listed — including a whole ton of Germans who were far more anti-slavery and pro-Union than the folks you’re calling hillbillies. In our area, for example, the Scots-Irish were pro-slavery and absolutely had slaves, up to and including their ministers. The German Lutherans did not. I might add that a great many of the people you lump together as hillbillies, especially in the more Northerly parts, would take extreme umbrage at the term. Also, have you any data to substantiate your claim that “the northern mercantile elites… were and are just as bad” ? You might want to re-read Albion’s Seed, bc while you’ve got some of it right, I think you’ve missed parts of it.
Shelia Cassidy,
Yes — but it’s actually the AZ Empire that is struggling for survival, not Russia. I’ll have to try and dig up that link again but Russia has already *sent* two tankers with oil for Europe … *to be paid for in rubles.* ;~)
It’s over — the only issue now is how we deal with it. Or rather, how poorly we deal with it.
What’s really nagging at me right now is the increasing likelihood of yet along false flag on 9/11. We’re certainly being primed for one, damn them.
Regardless that some sensitives might consider Anglo-Zionism to be akin to gun nuts in Idaho the term has both a scholarly background https://www.missouriwestern.edu/orgs/polanyi/TAD%20WEB%20ARCHIVE/TAD32-1/TAD32-1-fnl-pg6-19-pdf.pdf
Polanyi, ‘Jewish Problems’ and Zionism
Paul Knepper
ABSTRACT Key Words: Michael Polanyi, Zionism, Jewish intellectuals, Lewis Namier, Anglo-Zionism, non-
Jewish Jews.
Although his ‘Jewish Problems’ article of 1943 would be his only publication on the subject, Michael Polanyi thought, wrote, and lectured about Zionism throughout the 1930s and 1940s. He framed the issues concerning Jewish settlement in Palestine not within the immediate context of the Second World War but within the wider
context of assimilation and Jewish encounters with modernity. Specifically, Polanyi engaged the arguments of Lewis Namier, a Manchester colleague and committed Zionist. Polanyi approached Zionism from the
perspective of a ‘non-Jewish Jew’ who found common ground with some of the views expressed by Anglo-
Zionism as well as the ‘liberal critics’ of Zionism. The fact that he felt compelled to enter this debate speaks to his identity as a Jewish intellectual who regarded ‘assimilationists’ and their building of in-roads to the modern world as the moral equivalent of the pioneers who settled the Land of Israel and made possible further
immigration.” and
http://www.scribd.com/doc/236122301/4-Downfall-of-Ottoman-and-Emergence-of-Zionist
The Role of Zionist Movement Towards the Creation of the State of Israel
©International Journal of West Asian Studies
Abstract:
“The problem of Palestine has been a subject of much debate not only among scholars but also involved world superpowers as well. As this conflict rages on, there is a need to look at the root cause of the problem which one could argue that, among others, was caused by the ambitions of Zionist Movement. This paper examines the emergence of Zionist Movement and its role in establishing the State of Israel by confiscating Palestinians territory and land. Zionist controls over the territory has resulted in the expulsion of Palestinians from their homeland. This study was conducted as a library research with textual analysis on the sources of Palestine historiography. The result shows that the Zionist Movement had lobbied the world superpowers, especially Britain and United States of America, until they supported the movement and resulting in the creation of the State of Israel on the Palestinian land” ;
It also is recognized as a confluence of financial interests controlled out of the cities of London and New York, the “mid-Atlantic” power group that is jockeying against the “Euro-Asian” group.
In a world in which terms like “anti-Semite” and “Islamists” are now seen as crude attempts to control political discourse, I suggest that agreed upon terms that have already entered the public realm ought not to be suppressed in this excellent blog.
As Palestinians have found to their regret, the avoidance of some terms or areas of analysis has not worked to their best interests.
Andrew,
Two hurrahs for your ‘to Kiev’ strategy and solution suggestion, as well as your ‘brief’ on Appalachia.
Without dogmatism, you delivered two very succinct pieces.
Nice job.
I’m sure you’ll be challenged on them. But for brevity and information they excel and raise the bar.
Information without ideology—imagine that.
Robin Morritt:
Don’t go anywhere. Tell us what you mean with “The Battle Flag flies in Budworth Close”.
Best wishes
Anonymous in Finland
John 97205 01:08
The Greater Transnistria analog for Novorossia is not entirely appropriate in my view. Transnistria is effectively trapped between two unfriendly states, one or both of which are unfriendly to Russia. This allows various degrees of economic blockade to be imposed.
Novorossia on the other hand has Russia at its back. That side would never be blockaded, unless the US can impose another Yeltsin on Russia.
Whilst the acquisition of Mariupol would make a fine and worthy prize, it is somewhat limited as a port. The Sea of Azov is only about 11m deep, and the approach to Mariupol is a very narrow channel dredged to 7m minimum depth. The mouth to the Sea at Kerch is only 8m deep. This limits the size of vessels that can reach it.
Odessa is the better target from the perspective of a port. The greater part of the Black Sea is more than 100m deep, whilst the Bosporus is typically 100m deep with a small area of reduced depth (13m).
The greater prize to be gained is is the off-shore oil/gas resources. Here shallow water is an advantage. The further west they can go the better. This would give them greater leverage in any discussion about status.
Establishing a land bridge to Crimea would be an excellent aim too.
Yes — but it’s actually the AZ Empire that is struggling for survival, not Russia.
Hard-hitting, highly perceptive assessment indeed; thanks Nora. To put this in broader perspective, what really fuels the entire stinking fascist swamp — Banderivtsy, Golden Dawners, Tea Partiers and what-have-you — is precisely the ever faster demise of Western imperialism. Especially in Western Europe and the US, fascism and right-wing populism smack of unrequited love / feeling of neglect among the petty bourgeoisie noting 100% correctly that the big bourgeoisie deceives them with ever more boldness, bluntness, and outright contempt. One understands very well the fascist rage by looking back at the wonderful heyday of the Welfare State. In that time, the spoils of Western imperialist plunder were used with huge success to buy domestic social peace, ensuring the system a rock-solid mass base of die-hard Western chauvinists. This gentry — pacified, deluded, arrogant, and profoundly reactionary — was very happy to take up their Masters’ neoliberal creed in the 1980ies to become showered in private debt while the productive base of the economy was destroyed. Now, the rot has taken such a toll on the West that — except for the very über-gullible — nobody believes in “universal Western values” anymore, unless one interprets this concept as meaning “uninterrupted chaos and genocide across the planet“. This hasn’t been lost on the fascists or, as I’m tempted to call them, militant parasites.
Just like ´the papistst´ issue, I do agree with the various new anons that this terminology, even though a most correct description is a turnoff for outsiders.
The benefit of a correct descriptive term must be weighed against the negative first impact. I can only speak for the Netherlands: most people are neutral and good willing, but hopelessly programmed and zombified: most folks read only a headline before clicking away!
A sidebar with poper definitions and reference articles would be most helpful when you move your site to Iceland! It took me 2 months before I was able to swallow the term ´Anglozionists´- and I was already quite anti- zion!
A word can be very descriptive, unless it triggers a programmed response: If I was the Saker, I would choose a term which would not trigger half of the population instantly into zombies…- But please make a sidebar with definitions and important articles.
I will shut up now- it is your site, respect and thanks! I try everything to make people read your articles. to battle the propaganda and confusion!
@Shelia Cassidy,
“So the struggle will continue, as the real people behind the hostilities – the Rothschild banking empire and the Rockefeller financial empire – will continue to press for the death of Russia.”
You have wonderfully summed up the issue of ‘dollarised world order’. You have to add up China along with Russia – whom the AngloZionist Plutocracy will try to eliminate.
And, you forgot to mention that, de-dollarisation process is going on slowly and steadily since 2001 … thru the Eurasian Economic Community (EEC) and Shanghai Coop Org (SCO) led by Russia and China.
Anonymous Indian
“Both Purgin (vice PM) and Zakharchenko (PM) of DPR issued statements flatly
denying the mass media reports that either LPR or DPR were prepared to accept
continued political unity with Ukraine.”
OK, take this as fact and also that this ‘fact’ has been discussed with their
Russian cohorts. What does this mean?
1. defined borders. 2. independent state status. 3. non-acceptance by other EU
states, other than RU and other CIS member states. (but that may be an advantage.)
4. self governing, taxing etc. in other words, status as republics. All be it,
very dependant on RU. But also dependable buffer states.
I don’t see LPR and DPR as part of a Kiew dominated UE and I don’t think Kiew
could imagine that happening. The Kiew people can’t seem to get along with each
other let alone 2 breakaway states. The breakaway states, having a differing
political agenda would be of no value to themselves or to Kiew. And I, as a member
of a breakaway state would be constantly on alert that a counter coup or
disruption would take place because of my open borders, institutions etc. financed
by my tax money going to Kiew. Doesn’t sound like a winning combination to me. As
LPR and DPR said ‘no political unity’.
The idea of ‘saving face’ is of no value here. It seems to me that the ‘faces’ are
all in play. Why would anyone wish to save foghorn rasmussen’s, or merkel’s or
hollande’s or obama’s or cameron’s face. RU has tried to do that in this entire
process to no avail. The EU is going to have to back out of this on its own. As
far as the USA goes it has lost face in the eyes of the world a long time ago. No
one expects anything more out of the US than what it has been dishing out all
along. If the US were interested in saving face it would have closed Gitmo years
ago. Closed NSA etc etc. No Point in dwelling on this item.
As for how goes the rest of UE. UE is a 20th century phenomenon. And it doesn’t
seem like it is stable enough to stay together. So maybe it should fall apart. Why
not look at it as a combination of feudal kingdoms the are not compatible with
each other. (http://www.euratlas.net/history/europe/2000/index.html) All you seem
to have are zionist robber barons milking the peasants dry. Maybe it is time for
this to fall apart. For example, Kolomoski (sp) has had his 1st wake up call with
RU ‘arresting’ some of his properties in Moscow. I would not be surprised to see
Southern UE begin to fall apart. With its access to the Black Sea it has some
value. And 2 successful breakaway states are a good example for the incubation of
other breakaway states. And the more of them there are, the less this geography
looks like UE and the EU and IMF are going to start wondering who they have for a
partner other than Kiew. This is far from over and I don’t think the West really
appreciates what it has started on the RU border. RU is not going to roll over on
this one. It has told the west in every language that NATO is not acceptable. It
is now backing its words with actions. It knows the US is stretched super-thin and
is on life support. Even that zionist shill D. Feinstein (CA, USA) is calling for
talks between the US and RU. Unfortunately she suggests Kerry and Putin which IMO
is utter BS. It knows EU is in the same state (see EU PMI
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-09-02/chart-obama-does-not-want-merkel-see) .
It knows it is allied with China and China has basically the same agenda. To
paraphrase V. Nuland ‘F**k the USA’. Russia is holding all the cards, so to say,
and the more the West beats the drums of war, the more it knows it has a winning
hand.
Winter is coming.
@pogo (list of ex- or current Jews in the White House staff, Cabinet, Senate, or House of Representatives
A nice list, but it isn’t very helpful without context.
There are 50 senators; the list seems to span a period of 3 decades or more. How many different senators have there been in the US Senate in the last 30 years?
From this link: http://home.earthlink.net/~dbratman/senate_chron.html
which shows new senators – and which doesn’t include the last election, there have been 262 new senators since 1970, with 181 since 1980. If we only look at new senators since the oldest on your list – 1979/Levin, there have been 216. 12 out of 216 is over-representative vs the general population, but isn’t anything like a majority.
The citizenship is also not obviously (to me) an indicator of pro-Israel behavior. Wyden, for example, has been a notable boat-rocker with respect to the NSA. This to me doesn’t seem the behavior of a pawn of the national security agency state.
Saker, you actually think having a rabid anti-Russian like Tusk and a spineless, talentless, straw puppet like Mogherini is a good thing? Mogherini blamed Putin for “lack of partnership” with the EU immediately after being elected. And don’t forget she ran to kiss Porky’s and Tymoshenko’s ass in Kiev as soon as the so-called “Italian semester” has begun.
I’d bet these two are going to be even worse than Ashton and Rompuy. Never mind doing damage control, the “new” EU shills are going to do even more idiotic actions and sell us europeans to the US for even less.
A reader asks Saker “Why do you use this very weird expression, “anglo zionists”?”. Ukraine and Novorussia are more than just Ukraine and Novorussia and Israel and Palestine are more than just Israel and Palestine. For starters I’d recommend the 2007 book “The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy” by J. J. Mearscheimer and S. M. Walt. Research the rest whether at yout local library or using google and I think you’ll perhaps see how objectively ‘unwierd’ the Saker’s expression really is!
As the ZPC/NWO proxies continue losing ground, their quislings in regimes and the Jewish run western msm go all out in their anti-Russian hysterics and lying. They hope to do with bluffing and in the media what they are failing at on the ground.
Note how this is playing out here with all of a sudden a new “anti-anti-zionist” sayanim blitz whinging about including the zionist half of the term anglo-zionist and about criticism of zionists in general.
Yes, talk about any one and any thing, but do not connect any Jewish people or zionists to the crimes they commit. They need to continue operating freely and covertly behind the scenes and shining a light on their role prevents that.
Their spam is facet of the same site disruption campaign that also includes most of the pro-nazi spam and the Putin bashing, with spammers of it playing at different angles.
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VladTheFluffy says:
Saker
When you said “We have to give time to time” did you mean “On doit donner le temps du temps”? If so “One must give time (some) time” might be closer.
Completely agree that this is a war on a wide canvas. The US is following the PNAC (Project for a New American Century) agenda as here: http://goo.gl/26AUe or here: http://goo.gl/4zVuWN . How it applies to the Middle East is described by Tony Cartalucci here: http://goo.gl/T5JWsY .
It’s “US, US Uber Alles”: US primacy in the military, economic and political spheres, no real or potential rivals permitted, no actual or potential dissent permitted, no alternative economic system permitted, only plunder “capitalism” (how Adam Smith would weep at the bastardization of his ideas). The fourth reich orders and everyone must obey. The “fr” doesn’t have need for diplomacy. Any recalcitrance and the US military as “Murder Inc” is threatened or unleashed. It demands the right to instigate loan sharking (IMF and World Bank, as revealed by John Perkins) and political corruption, not just of individuals but of complete systems as in the UK and Europe. It does not reconise the right of any people to self-determination. It declares its divine right (“Manifest Destiny”) to determine and direct all activities on the planet and its absolute right to help itself to all of its wealth. This is the problem faced by most of the world apart from its elites and their ass lickers, described here: http://goo.gl/Vbxo6x
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VladTheFluffy says: part 2
As you say, it’s clear that Vladimir Putin, the Kremlin and the Chinese collective leadership are fully aware of the problem and have a consensus over the solution: destroy the fourth reich’s economic hold on large parts of the world whilst refraining from being drawn into a shooting war. With its ability to leech wealth from the rest of the world via dollar hegemony reduced or removed, its military will be unsustainable and with any luck the fourth reich will collapse in on itself. The “fr” is acutely aware of its vulnerability, several key “fr” figures have already stated that the US is prepared to use war to maintain the dollar reserve status (a number of commentators have surmised that Ghaddaffi’s proposal to set up a pan-African gold dinar was the reason the “fr” attacked Libya). So this gives the “fr” many reasons to attack Russia, which is what it is doing now, only it’s using “fourth generation” warfare including subversion and black propaganda. Ukraine is only a tool for this purpose. But it won’t desist, it really is “them or us”.
Unfortunately Moscow’s desire for a peaceful, stable, non-aligned Ukraine is exactly the reason why the “fr” will oppose any actions that promote that. The thing it wants is to realise its $5 billion dollar investment in getting a rabidly Russian hating regime on Russia’s border http://goo.gl/huibKo followed by military bases and missile “defense” systems. Its fallback position is to Libyanise Ukraine (which is also its policy towards the ME). In this case it hopes chaos there will spill over into Russia. The oft expressed neo-con ideal is to break Russia down into smaller regions (which they hope will fight among themselves) so as to permanently prevent it opposing the “fr”. The fallout of the “fr”‘s $5 billion 20 year program to create forces rabidly hostile to Russia is that there seems no way to have a unified Ukraine. A government acceptable to the DNR will invite a revolt from the Russian hating CIA spawn, a government acceptable to the CIA spawn is an existential threat to both the DNR and Moscow. The DNR can’t be expected to coexist with entities who oppose their very existence. Moscow’s problem is to reverse and disinfect this disease. I don’t see that as a short term possibility. You’ve said elsewhere that the solution to the problem is for the Ukrainian people to cleanse this themselves. Unfortunately, the only conclusion is that the civil war needs to continue, and needs to be escalated, until the disease has been completely eradicated from Ukraine, if that’s possible.
Tank you very much Saker, I do really appreciate your comments, thoughts and analysis….
And well, also your style….
Osejo
Richard’s comment ending with “There is much more going on than meets the eye” is overly pessimistic, a globalist-eye view of the chessboard, that assumes no one on the other side can answer their moves.
Putin’s global strategy was laid out by Glazyev:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-06-18/putin-advisor-proposes-anti-dollar-alliance-halt-us-foreign-aggression?page=8
This strategy assumes the petro-dollar, on which the Empire rests, is collapsing, and the Overlords of the US-led world Empire are facing an existential crisis, with the imperative to use their huge military machine before it too collapses.
There are many clues that those at the very top fully understand this, although their minds are clouded by arrogance – and fear.
Siezing and digesting Ukraine, Central Asia, Russia and China could give their system a few more years of life, like a collapsing giant star burning its final fuel before it detonates. But beyond that, they must be thinking about their ability to dictate the terms of a global reset.
For this they need to remove the challenge from Russia, China and the BRICS alliance. The imminence of the dollar collapse gives their moves urgency, while Putin understands Russia must buy time for the “de-dollarization” strategy to mature.
So what can we anticipate for the global Overlords’ next moves? Kiev alone is not going to be able to break Novorussia. A resentful, unmotivated conscript army, even equipped with the best American arms and training, will be no match for the highly motivated militias. An excuse for NATO troops is necessary.
Triggers could include an attack on the Russian Peacekeepers in Transnistria (likely), false flag events in Poland or the Baltics, an attack on Abkhazia or Ossetia, a massive buildup of missiles in southern Finland, an Iran-style semi-blockade of Russian ports. Or murdering Putin.
Russia’s leadership will need nerves of steel and the patience of saints to navigate this terrain. They’ve been doing good so far. But the presence of billionaire kleptocrats in the Russian elite makes them vulnerable to betrayal.
On the ground in Ukraine, Saker lays out the alternatives but leaves out this larger context.
Within Ukraine, there’s the likelihood of an attack on Transnistria, and whether the NAF and its allies can organize coordinated uprisings inside cities like Mariupol. A showdown within the Ukraine Navy is inevitable. There’s the growing chaos in Kiev, a Transcarpathian separatist movement, feuds between kleptocrats with private armies and the emerging grass roots anti-war movement. And an international crisis when the fascists, who have control of Ukraine’s nuclear reactors and dams, threaten (or commit) sabotage.
Internationally, the constraints on direct US military intervention may well be silenced by a massive false flag event, of which we have had many signals and warnings.
None of this except the collapse of the dollar is inevitable. Good people, often at great personal risk, are resisting and exposing the Overlords’ moves at every level, in every land, from Snowden to the many times a few brave heroes stood firm in the face of death to save Novorussia. The Empire is coming under huge strains as the criminals turn on each other and national elites feel growing pressure from their own outraged people. Checkmate is possible.
All said and done, it’s good to look at current bargaining positions as our Falcon has done, but this crisis is far from its final stage, and will likely be bigger before it’s over.
I see the hasbara operators have descended on Vineyard of the Saker to attempt a mind manipulation of ‘Anglo-Zionist’ since these self appointed critics judge ‘Anglo-Zionist Empire’ inaccurate, inappropriate, counterproductive, etc; but it seems ‘Anglo-Zionist is a bit too revealing of the man behind the curtain in our affairs.
Two Ice Foes-Dispatches From Occupied Territory has a lot of material on the mechanics of mind control and ways to counter the pervasive propaganda of the neo-liberal world. Here is a sample from the archive.
“However, the way to control information at the receiving end is to condition the person receiving the information to apply mental and emotional filters that automatically screen out any information that does not ‘fit’ that person’s prevailing worldview. Since this is where you can affect change, this is where we will focus.
Understand as well that the beauty of this control system is that it allows for an endless but narrow variety of worldviews, literally as many as there are people. We are trained like rats in a maze to only see information as ‘right’ or ‘wrong’ just as the rat sees every (information) intersection as ‘left’ or ‘right’ based upon the learned and remembered map in its head. Our worldview is programmed in from birth beginning with our parents and peers, and this is the map we all have in our heads. Only in our case, as opposed to the rat, this map is constantly updated via the ongoing and continuous MSM, governmental, corporate and social re-conditioning.”
best wishes
Anonymous 17:29,
Take a good look at that vote on Gaza — they don’t have to be Jews but 100% of Congress voted the same way. Also though, this dual-citizenship thing: aren’t all Jews? That doesn’t *necessarily* tar them all with the same brush though. But overt support for that Godawful place sure does, regardless of religion or anything else.
Anonymous 10:51,
Nonsense. You don’t like it, fine. It’s an accurate term though, and most of the people here are hardly gun nuts from the wilds of Idaho. Maybe you need to get out more often?
Anonymous 11:00,
Actually, rumor has it that the Good Queen Victoria’s real father was in fact Jewish. Be that as it may, every member of the Royal Family since that time has been circumcised by a mohel. Try teh Google if you don’t believe me: it really is true. A little odd too, bc supposedly Jewish descent is traced through the mother, so it may just be a quirk. But philo-Semitic? Definitely.
Well, as usually very good analysis and very sober look at the future. Thank you Saker.
Yes, and as you have mentioned “the Nazis are back”.
If nothing from this analysis is clear, that there is the another recent prove as the fight for the Sour Mogila !!!!!!!!
Destroyer of the Sour Mogila is nothing just a confirmation that these monsters are back in full power. Sour Mogila is the saint monument where Russian fathers were fighting fascist and these same NEW BORN fascist want to show the Novorusians we will beat you back as you did us in 1944.
Thanks god the power was again in the right side of the fighters even many of them lost their lives. This Sour Mogila and placing the Hitler’s picture immediately after the coup on the city hall in Kiev is nothing, just the confirmation that who is running the show. Mrs. Nulland and her husband looks like they are just the NEW continuity of the power which was disrupted by the end of the WWII.
The ANgloZIonist term is more obfuscatory than illuminatory.
C @ 02 September, 2014 18:23
Said it right on. Excellent, concise points. The local and the big picture. The variables.
I don’t see the checkmate or the moment of truth, however. Empires don’t suddenly crash and burn. It will go more like lava flow over a decade or two.
I do see the vengeful, personal goal of taking down Putin. They usually do this no matter what.
Only Ho Chi Minh and Fidel Castro avoided the bad ending as the Hegemon exited the battlefield.
And the Elites have a very effective fifth column in Moscow that never existed in Hanoi or Havana.
Putin will need Shoigu’s military and the FSB more than ever. It’s not enough to have brilliant men like Glaziev near him. “Muscle” matters when assassins lurk.
With American heads being chopped by ISIS and the elections so important for the Elites to keep control away from the reformers who want to end corruption, cut taxes and stimulate growth, the Establishment will try something that can indicate strength in foreign affairs.
I think NATO will stick its toe into Ukraine to save the “democracy”. Bleeding their troops on Russian ammo is just the thing to sell the Americans. It will be small and change the rules. No need for Article 5 protection. NATO will “save” its friends.
Of course, in the end, nothing can save Kiev.
Obviously I´ll also accept what they decide, but
I’d bet on Full Independence de facto and de jure. After having fought so hard, having lost so many lives, have had to move all these people and seen the nature of many of their fellow citizens, i do not look other way.
With an autonomy, however wide it is, will be affected by Troika and the IMF austericidal programs, this goes with the memos. General organic laws and decrees are binding. If the Nazis got political majority in parliament, would remove any decree that would later, as occurs in Spain. What would prevent them from returning to ban the Russian language by decree?
Also, you can negotiate with rabble lying every time he speaks? No, of course.
Clearly it will not be easy, but it will get. Less capable than those who have ruled so far and rule the world will not be,for sure.
Novorosia army is already organized, now they have to organize the government and state institutions.
Among the people they have certain candidates can be put forward in the various ministries.
Russia could help with advising.
What suits Russia is not important here. It is the future of novorussians what is at stake here. They have put all the dead and have their work in decades pulled to ground.
Sure, once Independent Republics, will greatly appreciate the support of Russian neighbour moving towards its orbit.
When you help someone you see helpless victim of an injustice, usually do not expect anything in return, but the person who helped you will probably honor you with unwavering friendship. What better reward?
The recent election of Donald Tusk and Federica Mogherini to the positions of President of the EU Council and EU Foreign Policy Chief is definitely good news, but…
From: wsws.org The appointment of Donald Tusk as the new president of the European Council must also be seen in this context. The Polish prime minister brings “the experience of anti-communism and anti-Soviet resistance to everyday Brussels,” wrote the Süddeutsche Zeitung. “From a central European perspective,” the newspaper continued, that could be “quite useful in the present crisis.”
Tusk counts among the leading architects of the February putsch in Kiev. He even managed to transform the official commemoration of the beginning of World War II into an anti-Russian demonstration—as if the invasion of Poland had not been the launching pad for Hitler’s war of extermination against the Soviet Union. Speaking September 1 at the Westerplatte near Gdansk, Tusk argued that the German attack 75 years ago allows the Poles today “to say loudly that nobody has the right to block our initiatives, whose aim is effective NATO action.” He warned against the slogan “never again war” becoming a manifesto of the weak.
Hi Anonymous in Finland:
I’ve got a Novorossiya Battle Flag to go with the St Georges Ribbon I’ve had since June. It’s currently hanging in the front window of my house in Budworth Close, Runcorn, Cheshire, UK. It identifies where my sympathies lie.
That’s about it. Pathetic, isn’t it? But so far as I am aware, there isn’t another person within a hundred miles of here who thinks that UK government policy on Ukraine is wrong.
I hope that answers your question.
All the best,
Robin.
PS Physically it’s a US Confederate Flag, which is exactly the same thing except for a series of white stars. I coloured them in with a blue felt tip pen to turn it into the Novorossiya Battle Flag. I got the info on Wikipedia and the flag on eBay.
Some people seem to take issue with the term »Anglo-Zionist«. There’s a good article by Thierry Meyssan about the historical nexus:
Israël – Qui est l’ennemi ?
http://www.voltairenet.org/article184968.html
It’s been translated to various languages, including English. (Just click on your language from the French page.)
In general, people feeling uneasy in the presence of a term such as »zionism« (don’t laugh – us “Westerners” have all been brainwashed) need to think about what is inhibiting their mind to accept such a term, and how this inhibition works, what are the foundations and the mechanics of it.
Andrew, at 04:58, responded to my comments re “southernization” of the USA and possible relevance to Ukraine/Novorossiya.
Andrew presents a more nuanced view of “the South” and “Appalachia” than I did. I I don’t disagree with this at all—I, too, have read Colin Woodard’s American Nations. Fantastic book, compulsively readable. I intentionally oversimplfied to make my point, as this blog is not about American history per se.
I stand by my point re the “Southernization” of American politics and society and the culture of both “the South” and “Appalachia” as wellspring of much of the violent gun and military mindset of the USA. Just do a search for the phrase “southernaization.” And this is the part of my point that I feel may have relevance to this thread, which I think is about the options open to Novorossiya vis-a-vis Ukraine and the pros and cons of different options.
Re Appalachia, apart from the role and loyalties in the Civil War of what Woodard terms “Borderers” in the Civil War (he is right that the Borderers were not in teh main Southern sympathizers), note, however, that the Borderers in Appalachia brought with them and to this country the warlike, violent culture that characterized them in their region of origin, the English-Scottish border contry. One of Woodard’s points and premises draws on teh work of the cultural historian David Hackett Fischer, who posits and demonstrates the persistence of different groups of cultural values over historical time in the USA in his extraordinary history, Albion’s Seed. Viewing the Novorossiya-Ukraine situation through the “cultural persistence” lens, it may be impossible to mold a new Ukraine out of the old parts, if the “culture” of western Ukraine “persists” in the manner predicted by both Fischer and Woodard. At this point it is hard to imagine a factor that could act as an emulsifier to combine the oil and water of Western and Eastern Ukraine, that could neutralize the poisonous fascist russophobic culture of Western Ukraine. Unleses the “oily” elements of Western Ukrainian society can be excised in some way.
I was simply lofting an idea of a way to look at the Ukraine situation in terms of whether the North might indeed have been better off to accept the South’s secession and move on without them.
Katherine
NOra, at Sept. 2, 14:30
Wow, another commenter who has read Albion’s Seed. One of my very favorite books, “one of the greatest works of American history.” I hadn’t read Nora’s comment when i posted my own response to Andrew. Nora, if you like Albion’s Seed you will also find Woodard’s American Nations very, very valuable and compulsively readable. It is practically an alternative history of this country that goes a long way toward explaining a LOT.
Re the pattern of dominant foundational cultures in the USA, the data are there and available in the county-by-county map that Colin Woodard prepared on the basis of various data sets, here:
http://www.businessinsider.com/actually-there-are-11-americas-map-2013-11
Also, here:
http://www.colinwoodard.com/files/ColinWoodard_AmericanNations_map.pdf
Don’t mean to get off-topic and drag U.S. history into it, but the use of the concept of cultural persistence in both historical studies and prognosticating is what I suggest might be relevant.
Katherine
@Slow Moe said… The ANgloZIonist term is more obfuscatory than illuminatory.
Slow Moe, you are really slow!
Katherine,
I liked your comment and it really made me stop and think; I’ll go back tomorrow (too tired tonight) and check out how many 19th century presidents were Southerners, but I know there were a whole lot of them, so there’s that too.
And Albion’s Seed is a great book, just great! I love it too. ;~) But Andrew really missed a lot of DHF’s points and others as well, not just about Cavaliers and Borderers (certainly both strong gun cultures, just different variants thereof) but also pro- vs. anti-slavery feelings just about everywhere, really, except West Virginia when they split it off. And even there there were some pro-slavery folks; they just got out-voted. Certainly they were very pro-slavery in many areas, frontier as well as more settled; it kind of depended on their socioeconomic status as well as degree of isolation. Hackett did ground-breaking work on the cultures and presented them beautifully well but it was just one (actually somewhat controversial) book and he couldn’t cover every single detail. I haven’t looked at Woodward’s stuff for a while — should buy the book but haven’t — but it’s a good extension of Fischer’s work since he examined primarily just the four British groupings. But looking into this more just makes so much sense and is such interesting food for thought, as well as a stimulus for further, more intensive work. And it’s so neat to see that happen!
And yes, when you really think about it, Ford might have been the only “unalloyed” Yankee since JFK since Nixon’s Quaker family were part of a schismatic non-anti-war sect and both he and Reagan were certainly deeply influenced by all the displaced Southerners who peopled both the Southwest and the West. Lots of slaveholders deliberately pulled up stakes and hauled them as far west as they could, for example, to hopefully avoid losing them. And for gosh sakes, the issue of new states being slave vs. free was the center of most 19th century politics until the issue, erm, finally got resolved. So you’re really on to something there, I think. Southernization indeed.
But to delve a little further into your original idea: you know, when all this spins out, however it does, we’re in for a lot of changes here. And I have to say I’ve wondered too whether we really do belong together — we’ve all got a lot of work to do and maybe the trauma of what we’ll be going through will spur that, but maybe not. And when you add in just the sheer size of this country and the need for better representation (via smaller districts, which would maybe double or triple the size of the House of Representatives), maybe splitting up along some sort of cultural fault lines might not be a bad idea. Certainly more food is going to have to be grown locally since we’ll never be able to afford transporting it if fuel prices go up as predicted. And judging by the inability of either side of the Culture Wars to find common cause in what’s being done to all of us by our lovely Neoliberal elites, it might really be pointless to hold us all together.
The zionist managed to run Russia for a very long time. (above 70 years). They are quite well entrenched. But they did it only by carefully avoiding waking up the real Russians.
By real Russians, I mean the same Asians like Koreans, Indians, Chinese, etc who all love peace and knowledge. The Zionist managed to confuse and take over Germany and Japan after a disastrous world war. They are planning similar action and working the world towards another world war. The same way they managed to push Germany into war, they are now pushing Russia into same. As long as Russia stay within its own territory, they are quite safe. for now.
The zionist will start a war soon, because it has to be done before the American full economic collapse. Just like the 1930s collapse of America led to world war 2.
Thanks to:
@Ford Prefect 02 September, 2014 02:06
&
@C said 02 September, 2014 18:23
Both excellent analysis from the Global perspective.
Of course “C’s” message:
“Good people, often at great personal risk, are resisting and exposing the Overlords’ moves at every level, in every land, from Snowden to the many times a few brave heroes stood firm in the face of death to save Novorussia. The Empire is coming under huge strains as the criminals turn on each other and national elites feel growing pressure from their own outraged people. Checkmate is possible“
Is one of great hope.
The other important message I remember from a previous post/thread was to get at them at their weakest point: “individually”
It comes down to two things (i) being smart (ii) being motivated.
The empire has oodles of being smart [and can easily buy any they don’t have] so it seems that “we” [who know] can only win even at the Global level by being more motivated [than them] and as smart as we can be. That doesn’t sound so much different to the “operational” strategy of the Novorussia resistance.
I was deflated having read Ford Perfect’s analysis but hopeful again having read C’s…now if I had a dose of that “limitless” stuff this could be sorted very quickly. 3 wishes now are very different than when I was a kid
:-)
@Robin Morritt 02 September, 2014 21:43
Hi Robin,
funny you should say that. I have a friend in Wrexham who may already have done that, say 30 miles and 40 mins away.
I live in Belfast, say 150 miles away over the Isle of Man and 55min by Easyjet and plan a flag like that to go beside my Palestinian one.
We are not alone :-)