We have already seen Mark Sleboda vs a typical BBC Presstitute, today I bring you Peter Lavelle vs a typical CNN Presstitute. I have to admit that I have been loathing the Ziomedia for many years and it has been close to 20 years since I tossed away my TV, stopped reading the papers, stopped listening to Neocon Public Radio and basically fully switched to the Internet for news and entertainment. I never regretted this decision and I still think that this is *the* necessary and unavoidable first step towards personal liberation from system of mind control the plutocrats have imposed everywhere they had a chance to.
I sincerely admire both Mark Sleboda and Peter Lavelle for their courage to try to get at least a tiny little bit of truth across in their interviews, but I have to say that I also think that their efforts are futile. I think that the zombies who watch the Idiot Tube in 2014 are simply beyond hope, they have lost any capability to think, reason, analyze, or question. As Roger Waters put it so well: “But it was only a fantasy, The wall was too high as you can see, No matter how he tried he could not break free, And the worms ate into his brain“. We might as well call them Cerebrum Numbing Network. See for yourself in the video below.
The Saker
Saker Message:
Many things the Russian Federation can do over the next 48 hours.
1) Break diplomatic relations with Ukraine
2) Declare the government of Ukraine as an illegitimate, terrorist entity
3) Formally begin war crimes proceedings against the junta
4) Recognize Novorossia with some kind of special, interim status
5) Inform Germany, France, Netherlands, that a Russian peacekeeping force will be sent to protect the plane crash investigation and disarm the junta, their troops can join the plane crash site if they want
6) No further negotiation with the US and Ukraine is possible
7) Arrange international recognition for Novorossia, BRICS funding
When push comes to shove, we’ll be denied access to RT and have to listen to idiots like this one who don’t grasp that they’re way out of their league intellectually nor care or want to, can’t make the distinction between a reasoned argument and brainwashed opinion, and have no other recourse but to belligerence. Hopefully, we’ll still have access to the Vineyard!
Very much a mirror of my own thoughts today Saker.
The ground is shifting as the latest barrage of Anglo-Zionist disinformation begins to dissipate. With the smoke clearing away it is apparent that any damage done to Russia and Putin is negligible. The big guns of Western media threw everything they had at their Nemesis but now find themselves bogged down like heavy Napoleonic cannon on soft Western ground. The deceitful narrative blaming Russia for the murder of hundreds of innocent Malaysian Airlines passengers hasn’t stuck. Questions are begining to move in the opposite direction as Holland has its Brevik moment. Everyone, consciously or unconsciously, understands the message of our black-hearted Overlords. It is the liars and gangsters of Gog and Magog who look most perplexed as their credibility sinks to below zero K.
The recrimminations between various AZ factions signal their awareness of failure. I would have loved to have been in the room when Netanyahu learned of the cancellation of all flights to Israel. Uber Zionist politician/shills like Stephen Harper were overruled as even Air Canada cancelled its only scheduled trip to Ben Gurion. Someone at Anglo-Zionist HQ decided to send Bibi a strong and carefully-timed message concerning his pointless and counterproductive armoured assault against flesh and bone in Gaza. Too many lies told too close together have undermined all strategems.
So babble all you like Samantha Powers, you despicable fucking whore. Concerning Russia and Putin, no minds are changed — certainly not in Asia where leaders are scrambling to adjust to the new multi-polar reality. Thanks partly to your own unalterable ignomy, Russia is again indispensible to those who wish to be free.
And most interesting at all, to myself anyway, it appears that Hamas and the Palestinians have learned a few lessons since the last round of brutalization and bloodletting, courtesy Hezbollah. As in 2006, Israel has no viable option for a military victory and beating up on Gazans isn’t helping Israeli confidence like it used to. Israel’s sense of decline relative to her enemies is acutely felt. Expect another another 40000 Israeli youths to soon disembark for a better life in North America. Israelis are now more isolated and alone than ever and the possibility of abandonment by the United States is for the first time conceivable.
Yesterday an anonymous commentor posted an extremely powerful message concerning the effectiveness of British psyops and propaganda. Parts of that comment were reposted by others demonstrating their effect on readers. I want to thank the anonymous commentor and emphasize the truth of what was said. I’m sure anyone who read the comment knows the reference.
As for myself, I work in the newspaper business and everyday I have at least half a dozen good conversations about the media and disinformation. This latest offensive by Anglo-Zionist media was the most focused and effective campaign I have yet to see but I can tell you from my own interactions with many people that the old tricks aren’t working like they used to. Despite the near total domination of the Western propagandists including the use of chemical agents (pharmaceuticals, fluoride), energy weapons and an impossible number of other forms of mind control, it is obvious that the Luciferians are losing everywhere. I know this because in the last several days a new campaign to convince the public of the need for ‘control’ of the internet has accelerated. If this isn’t an admission of total defeat I don’t know what is.
Is it hysterical, unjustified outrage day? Or is it hysterical, unjustified witch-hunt day? Or is “let’s bomb somebody” day?
What a culture.
It seems the CNN reporter are more interested in showing compassion for the deaths than in finding evindence for real culprits of this horrendous crime. Why?
What you write is very true. The Internet should have ended the age of “PUSH” media- where some entity selects which five-ish ‘news facts’ about the world are presented to millions of viewers (and what spin the ‘facts’ are given). Instead the whole world should have been converted to ‘PULL’ media, where the readers or viewers at least makes some effort to track down ‘news’ ‘facts’ themselves.
Sadly. most people are more than willing to be sheeple. They don’t want to learn about the mechanisms of propaganda and PR, and they certainly don’t want to make the effort to do their own research or engage in critical thinking.
What we see when we watch any zionists ‘news’ outlet horrifies us if we have any direct knowledge of the subject being discussed. But remember this little detail…
When Adolf Hitler was at the beginning of his political career, he would engage in constant debates with ‘zionists’- those people in Germany that wanted to import the zionist controlled ‘communist’ movement from Russia. And what amazed Hitler was how the zionists would lie in order to manipulate the sheeple watching the debates. Hitler was a scumbag, but at that time in his life an ‘honest’ scumbag.
Anyway, Hitler, and his inner circle (especially Goebbels) became fascinated with the zionist art of lies- as formulated famously by Edward Bernays, and realised that this was a method their movement should be exploiting- why be an ‘honest’ man going nowhere when you could emulate the zionists and gain great political success.
This thought changed the course of Human History. Hitler took the zionist tool of propaganda and PR, and built the Nazi machine on the back of it.
Today, the art and science of lying to the sheeple in order to manipulate them has been perfected by the “Friends of Israel” across Hollywood, TV, newspapers, schooling and every form of politics in the West. The ‘full surveillance’ society than Snowden has been revealing represents the 1984-style ‘perfection’ of the whole process.
Now, initially Hitler was disgusted by the methods of his ‘zionist’ opponents, and refused to ‘sink’ to their level. During this period, his political progress was minimal.
This is our problem. Even evil people like Hitler choked on the idea of using the propaganda tactics of the ‘zionists’, but these tactics are the only ones that have bulk effectiveness with the sheeple.
Take one zionist method- repetition. The zionist controlled media will repeat and repeat and repeat and repeat a ‘hate phrase’ ad nausium. Decent Humans, on the other hand, feel that repetition ‘insults’ the audience, so they tend to say their strong truths only once, and then move on. But sadly, the sheeple audience has the memory of a goldfish, and even if they agree with the strong truth at the time, they forget it immediately afterwards, and suck up the zionist repetition instead.
Decent people say “don’t shock or distress you audience”. The zionists use dishonest shock images without remorse, so their side looks like the perpetual victim, even as they carry out genocide on those they call ‘sub-Human’.
The big talking point now is that the crime scene and evidence have been irretrievably messed with They are muddying the water to cover Kiev’s culpability and to keep open the possibility that the rebels did it by mistake ( if they will even grant them that latter possibility). The Western bought media will have to back off on Russia directly because their own intelligence service has blown that up on them, but they land on their feet. Russia does have its ax to grind and it would be in its interest to release more conclusive information which they undoubtedly have. RT congratulations on putting your “big dog” against one of Main-Scream Media’s running dog.
Saker,
I haven’t the stomach to watch this. I like Peter Lavelle just like I like Mark Sleboda; they’re both profoundly decent Americans doing their level best to fight the monster this country has become and get out the truth, I deeply admire them for that and it’s just too damned painful to watch them get eaten alive for the effort.
But this interviewing “style” is nothing new: Sean Hannity, Bill O’Reilly and tons of other folks on Fox, etc. have been doing it to hapless Leftish for years — to the point where the entire Left Blogosphere applauds wildly whenever someone manages to get one word in sideways and honestly believes the poor schlub just struck a blow for freedom or truth or something.
Short of a speech coach, non-verbal specialist or whomever offering some training — which is really what is needed and I’m in no position to provide — take a look at how Reza Aslan, a Muslim who dared write a very interesting book about the historical Jesus, handled the same kind of treatment. Regardless of what you think of his book, just watch what he did and how he did it, because there really are a lot of lessons in there well worth learning. (Most pathetically, this is absolutely the only example I can think of where someone handled an entire interview well; the best anyone else has done, I think, is just get in a couple of good shots before their microphone suddenly cut out):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7UU6FQoU_g
@anonymous:Nothing will happen during the next 48 hours i’m afraid.Putin should have intervene much earlier,let’s say after ODESSA.Now he is loosing on all fronts.He is a pariah for the MSM.Hundreds of innocents civilians in NR died.Lot a destructions for billions to rebuild everything.Refugees by large amounts in RF.The separatists are now seen as terrorists for real(by the UE).The nazi junta is still in power.
They want NATO in(which now has a good pretext with MH17).Next steps will be total lost of NR,ethnic cleansing,more refugees if not killed before,total commercial(at least if not real war soon)with the Ukies,gas bills unpaid for at least 5 billions,economic sanctions level 3,level 4 soon for the US.
Putin weakened.It is a total disaster.
Atlantists(5th column in Moscow)who forced him to follow this option,should either be fired or ..Putin will soon be their victim.
Or they will kill him.Or a Red square(maidan)2.0
Putin has 48 hours to survive.
24h ultimatum to the Ukies,then cross the border not to NR,to KIEV,to get rid of all the nazi,Ps,Svoboda clique.Then to show the world what kind of regime their politicians were supporting in their name with a total blackout in their MSM.
Then talk strong to Merkel and co,mainly target Europe,and let them know that he will never accept that a second time.
Forget the US/UK/Baltics countries,Poland.
Putin should concentrate on Germany,France and France will bring the latin countries.
Germany will bring back the eastern countries except the 4 above mentioned too linked to the US.
If we are lucky,we in Western europe will thank Putin and Russia forever,for having been the one able to destroy the UE and free us,as we are in jail.And then we will build a new Europe together with he people,not with politicians’whores,from Lisbon to Moscow and beyond.We are all european.We do not need the US/UK anymore,let them die with their ponzi scheme of debts and their banksters.
Let’s free Europe.
But Putin has 48hours,no more.Otherwise we are all broke and forever with the Empire.
The fewer people who pay attention to the zionist media, the weaker the ZPC/NWO becomes. Their power is based upon dupes, not guns, as is so often thought. That’s why they fear the people getting information from other sources than those they control. Best way to treat the zionist media is don’t use them. Don’t watch, don’t listen, don’t visit their websites.
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I thought it was entertaining to to watch the swishy little exceptional and entitled rich kid trying to play a journalist on tv. You had to believe you were watching an audition for Dance With the Stars when he couldn’t get Peter to mouth the words he wanted to hear. He did the same thing to Borodai, who wasn’t as western media savvy as Mr. Lavelle. Dr. Roberts is correct, if you are still listening to Western MSM you are either too stupid or too entitled to worry about the truth.
@Nora: the historical Jesus
Sorry, but the use of that expression 100% guarantees my refusal to be exposed to anything associated with it.
Kind regards,
The Saker
CNN is pretty fucking hopeless, staging interview in front of memorial flowers in Amsterdam. There was a chorus of mistreatment of the so called crime scene by the rebels as the majority of the press were held up in Kiev for 4 days probably on the basis of a contrived inability of access blamed on the rebels by the kind folks of the Uke government (who should have picked up the phone and arranged immediate ceasefire). In the meantime there was coverage of the scene from reporters who had entered Ukraine from the Russian border. This is where the origination of the so called abuses come from. The problem is that reality of the level of cooperation shown by the rebels on the ground gets reported despite the contradictory narrative. And at least some responsible parties have acknowledged and taken back their accusations. With CNN, one expects crap, but the flagship press whether they be the Guardian or NYT are just as bad in not beint totally blissfully unaware of their own biases.
So its babies thrown out of incubators, aluminum tubes and mobile WMD labs all over again.
YY
Fuck, this is unbelievable. Clearly, they’re (the American media) is so NLP driven. They’re
looping and hammering the same shit, over and over and over…and they’re such masters of how to skate the facts…and trying to bypass what matters and keep hitting the emotional spots. What Peter Lavelle should’ve asked, is that while there are only suspicions’ about Moscow’s support of the rebels, there is plenty of evidence that the US financing this whole war.
For the rest Peter Lavelle is awesome! Love this guy and he didn’t let this animal to own the “conversation”.
The MSM control freaks are seething like a viciously spoiled girl that they no longer control the narrative. They’re having a meltdown and a floor rolling temper-tantrum on the air. CNN ratings have imploded to less than a quarter of what they were 3 years ago.
What a total lightweight that idiot from CNN is. I think the word “pathetic” would be too complimentary to describe Chris Cuomo.
He was completely bested by Lavelle (without Peter Lavelle even trying). These morons on CNN are so used to controlling the narrative and picking lightweights to interview that they can’t handle it when someone confronts them with facts and logic.
Today died a great Brazilian.
Ariano Suassuna:
Link to a few sentences:
http://kdfrases.com/autor/ariano-suassuna
By Proftel (in Basil).
:-/
I love Peter Lavelle’s first sentence: “The answer is very straightforward; the Ukraine is not located in Russia…”
Nearly pimp-ed there :o) [pissed in my pants]
What’s wrong with ‘the historical Jesus’? Jesus and/or Joshua were common names at certain times in our history. They’re still common names in certain countries. I don’t understand why you’d say that to Nora, whom I consider a valuable contributor to this blog. I’ve been reading it for well over a month.
Perhaps I’m missing a rule here? I think it’s both unfair and unkind, and further, unlike the way I thought you were from what I’d read so far.
I’m Bea, btw.
Peter Lavele wasting his time with a “reporter” of MSM.
Pearls to the pigs?
Yes, we really need peace but we are gonna have to rely on the willingness of the Russian Federation to go to war in order to get it.
No further negotiation is possible.
Thank you to Novorossia and the Russian people.
I will do everything I can.
– from Nazi-occupied Amerika
Let us all get this very clear. We are dealing with psychotics in a mentally ill culture. A psychotic will torture and kill emotionlessly and then say that the dead person “made them do it”. Does this sound familiar?
Psychosis is marked by a ” false belief in the nature of reality”. Peter Lavelle put it nicely when he said that the CNN reporter was in a parallel universel
Psychosis is marked by a certain amount of megalomania. Note how the CNN cur boasted how he gave the “self appointed” rebel leader the whole”platform of CNN” to make his point ( note how he did not use his name–depersonalization of “the enemy” is part of the disease). He had ill disguised contempt for a man who did not seize his chance for 15 minutes of CNN fame!
What we have is a psychotic American culture that rewards those who can perform “well” in it. The natural psychotics rise to the top and the rest of the folks take anti depressants to get through their work day.
Know thyself but know thy enemy better.
@ Where-Wolf,
Can you imagine what the situation would look like if the Palestinians had access to the same armaments as Strelkov’s men?
It must suck if you empty a clip into a bowl full of guppies… and they shoot back.
My wife [who’s Japanese] bought a book ‘People Like Us’ written by the Dutch non-fiction author, news correspondent, and talk show host, Joris Luyendijk and she immediately gave it to me. “You have to read this,” she urged.
I don’t think many forum members need encouragement to think freely, but I highly recommend to read that book [it has different titles in different countries]. When you’re finished and close it, you’ll never listen to any journalist [no matter who they are or where they are] and trust what they say.
Personally [and where possible] I rely on HUMINT.
I think many leaders in the West must have dislodged shoulders, due to their feverish bloodied fingers pointing at Russia/Putin and blame them/him for whatever lives and/or dies under the sun.
Lavelle did a sterling job on the msm frontline.
Btw, here is the benchmark master piece by George Galloway: “George Galloway: Israel is a Terrorist State”.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgyL-1ZSdGo
Saker,
The point isn’t the contents of the book, it’s the way the guy handled the interview. The skills he used while being interviewed with someone who was clearly hostile and had their own agenda, are precisely the skills Mark and Peter (omigosh, note the names!) need when the same thing is done to them. The book could have been about tree leaves, cattle diseases or gum overgrowth in dogs (don’t ask!), that’s not the point and certainly not why I brought it up. It’s simply the only time I’ve EVER seen ANYONE handle that kind of hostile interviewing style successfully. And for that reason alone, it really is worth watching. Forget the content, no matter how much you loathe it: just watch the process. You’ll see what I mean.
@ Nora,
Thanks for the link. The way the talkinghead pronounces the word ‘Muslim’ says it all. She says it as if she vomits inside her mouth.
Also, normally a guest is introduced with his full credentials. Here the word ‘Muslim’ led up like a freaking neon sign, blinking ‘Danger. Stay out! Danger. Stay out!’
@ Where-Wolf said. 23 July, 2014 23:54: “Expect another another 40000 Israeli youths to soon disembark for a better life in North America”
My suspicion was always that something more than 40000 youths were destined to disembark in Ukraine “the second Jewish Motherland” as Kolomoysky declared! Russians have to vacate the place.
Normally, I can’t stand Lavelle. Too much partiality, too much whining, an almost comedic lack of objectivity. A “ham”, basically.
Then I saw an RT show a few days ago, in which Lavelle put his shill skills to good use for once. He completely undermined an Israeli spokesmurderer who was defending the current Gaza slaughter. Lavelle toned-down his usual self-aggrandisement and silly theatrics – and he *destroyed* the Israeli spokesmurder because of it. (Hey: we can all change for the better!)
I understood instantly, as I watched the show, that Lavelle had carefully chosen an Israeli media pundit who would look terrible, act abominably, spout hatred, and unwittingly walk into every trap Lavelle had set. I.e., the real face of Israeli racial and religious hatred: the one the rest of the media works so hatd to ignore.
Levelle’s a shill, but it takes one to play Israeli PR shills at their own game. If the dummy had a bit more morality at the core of his being, he could really put his skills to good use, and make the world a better place.
Obviously, he reads this blog: keep up the new-found serious approach, and you might really *do* something, Lavelle!
@Bea: First, I think I ought to have the possibility to tell Nora that I don’t like and chose to stay away from the expression “historical Jesus” without being censored. Second, Nora is a trusted friend of mine who sure don’t need being defended. Third, reading this blog for a month hardly gives you the credentials to judge me unfair and unkind, especially when you yourself admit not understanding the reasons for my dislike of the expression “historical Jesus” (knowing that Jesus and/or Joshua were common names hardly qualifies). Fourth, I have to tell you that the fact that you consider Nora to be a valuable contributor to this blog (as do I, by the way) hardly gives you the right to act as a self-appointed volunteer moderator or censor.
It sincerely baffles me that I would have to spell these things out to you.
The Saker
Yes, Saker’s blind spot is religion — “…100% guarantees my refusal to be exposed to anything associated with it.” … pretty much describes the US approach to intel on Kiev & MH17.
Nora’s point was about handling an interview but Saker is blind sided by his adherence to a ‘non-historical’ religious figure/myth.
Still, he does a good job in any case. Doubt he’ll let this one thru in any case.
@Nora:The point isn’t the contents of the book, it’s the way the guy handled the interview.
Ok, LOL! For you I will make an exception to my rule (really an “intellectual allergy” of sorts: I can’t stand that expression) and I will watch the segment :-)
Hugs to you and Mr. Nora,
The Saker
BTW: as a long-time reader of TVOTS, I’m getting seriously angry with all the comments about the ‘Anglo-Zionist’ baddies.
Saker: will you at least post a statement that acknowledges Gaza and Ukraine etc. are NOT the handiwork of the mainstream (i.e. 99%) of ‘Anglo’ society – but rather the scheming of their corrupt and co-opted governments, at the behest of Isareli/Jewish banker masters?
After all: most of your readers, during your blog’s existence, have essentially come from an Anglo-Saxon cultural or ethnic background! We hate what Israel is doing, we hate what Ukraine is doing. We support you, but you keep spouting Soviet-style slogans that pigeon-hole us.
It’s getting as hackneyed as 1970s soviet propaganda about “running-dog ganster-lackey imperialist cowboys”.
Why do you keep pooping on us by tarring us with the ‘Anglo-Zionist’ brush – NEVER making a distinction between the ‘Anglo’ people on the one hand, and their unrepresentative and criminal governments?
It’s like blaming Russians in the USSR in the 1950s for the state of their country. It’s crude, indistinct, and crass.
I watched half of the video [because I don’t want to waste my time]. Peter pushes all the plausible buttons and the talkinghead is steered by commanding voices [his earpiece]. He repeats what someone else tells him to say and it’s still nonsense.
I am afraid DonbassBrussels may be right. I don’t necessarily agree with his assessment of what needs to happen in the next 48 hours, but I tend to agree on the bad decisions by the Kremlin so far.
I hope he and I are wrong.
What’s your take on that Saker?
“Let’s give the AngloZionist Empire the death by million small cuts!
The Saker”
Whoops. I spoke too fucking soon.
Fuck you for peddling hatred, “Saker”. I’ve supported the ethnic Russians in Eastern Ukraine since day one, and you think I’m a cunt because I’m “Anglo”.
Have you ANY idea what I’ve done to promote their side of the story? The risks I’ve taken? The insults and attacks I’ve endured?
Fuck you, you piece of shit.
@Nora re Reza Aslan,
Dear Nora,
I cannot but associate with the Saker in regards to “the historical Jesus”. This expression, and the whole hoolabaloo around it is a pure Jewish construct. Reza Aslan (and all those who pretend that they “discovered” the “historical Jesus” after an uphill battle against “prejudices”) is not genuine. He is simply a “presstitute” bought by the anti-Christian talmudic mafia, like all the legion of “historical Jesus”‘s “searchers” since the time of Celsus. One even may doubt whether the book was written by him.
@WizOz (01:31) — spot on about Disaster Risk Fallback ‘Plan B’ for when the Ashkenazi Jew Settler Apartheid State of Israel fails along with the usd$ printing press (@$3b/year) and the ME Saudi/Jordan faux Islamic regimes etc. A nice little homeland with a foot on the pipeline and commerce routes between the emerging German-Russian to China-India trade routes.
@ where wolf @ 23:54
Can you explain to me, how “fluoride” enables “mind control “? ?I have to ask because Try as I might, I’ve never been able to ascertain the science on that..You must forgive me but I have to say, its such an old trope that I remember when it was called a “Communist plot” by the Bircher-types..(Maybe the Communists were trying to help people who the capitalists were excluding from dental plans ? )Anyway, whenever it comes up like this, in this context, I becomes very suspicious. I become suspicious because its a “buzz” phrase which = crazy. Anyone wanting to discredit a person or a group of people might try to , slyly, insinuate that they, or those that agree with them, believe such things
Possible reasons why MH-17 ATC data has not been released.
It needs to be matched with the data in the cockpit voice recorder and the flight data recorder
Investigators must therefore have access to Kiev’s ATC data before “black box” data is shared.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BtRWrXxCUAA95ZC.jpg
That’s not just any old presstitute. That’s Chris Cuomo, son of ex- New York governor Mario Cuomo and brother of current NY governor, Andrew Cuomo. (See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario_Cuomo for the dynasty.)
That’s how “professional” journalism works in the US, through the complete integration of the journalist corps with the political establishment.
I think more and more people recognize this. CNN (a “liberal” news network) has been losing viewers like crazy. In 2013, it shed 48% of its viewers. See http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2013/11/27/cnn-and-msnbc-lose-almost-half-their-viewers-one-year.
Oh, and if Cuomo is interested in why bodies were stacked on the side of the road in 30 C heat, he should go ask the Nazis in Kiev why they held up crash investigators from accessing the scene for three days, during which the OSCE insisted that the DNR not disturb the crash site. See http://en.itar-tass.com/world/742056
@Anonymous:Yes, Saker’s blind spot is religion –
There we go, another judgmental statement…
First, the Debian hater
then the self-appointed Nora defender
now the religion bigot
is the full moon out?
or is this Saker bashing day?
Whatever may be the case, I feel that my friend /dev/null will be busy tonight…
The Saker ;-)
Pepe Escobar, today at Asia Times (bold is mine ;-) ):
A chessboard drenched in blood
Excerpt:
Slowly, with no hype and no spin, the Russian military are starting to deliver the goods. Here, courtesy of the Vineyard of The Saker blog, is their key presentation so far. As The Saker put it, Russia had – and has – a “20/20 radar vision”, or full spectrum surveillance, on everything going on in Ukraine. And so, arguably, does NATO. What the Russian Ministry of Defense is saying is as important as the clues it is laying out for experts to follow.
The damaged MH17 starboard jet engine suggests a shape charge from an air-to-air missile…
@(01:44) … “next 48 hours” …
How do you read this item/link posted on Saker’s blog?
http://lb.ua/news/2014/07/22/273779_rossiya_potrebuet_ukraini.html
Google translation (if correct then next stage may be commencing): “If Ukraine does not agree Putin, according to the interlocutor LB.ua, may decide on entering the Russian troops in Ukraine under the guise of “peacekeepers.”
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Flb.ua%2Fnews%2F2014%2F07%2F22%2F273779_rossiya_potrebuet_ukraini.html&edit-text=&act=url
@Nora: watched it. Alas, I should have stubbornly stuck to my rule of staying clear of anything involving “the historical Jesus”. In my experience, any person using this terms inevitably spews a load of nonsense. This was again the case with this guy. As for his style, well, I was not too impressed either, though being interviewed by a moron did not give him any chance to sound credible. The entire exercise was, as is typically the case on a TV interview, a waste of time, I think, noting of value was allowed to come through. The format is just too asinine.
Kind regards and cheers,
The Saker
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@Anonymous: I’ve supported the ethnic Russians in Eastern Ukraine since day one, and you think I’m a cunt because I’m “Anglo”.
Nope. Never said anything like it. Keep your strawman for yourself.
The Saker
@Anonymous:as a long-time reader of TVOTS, I’m getting seriously angry with all the comments about the ‘Anglo-Zionist’ baddies.
Look, if you are a long time reader you cannot have missed that I answered this one many many many many times over. You really want one more? Fine. Here we go again.
The current empire is the direct continuation of the British Empire. So far so good? No? Ok. The real power is held nowadays by the Echelon countries: US, UK, CND, AUS, NZ. They are all part of the British Empire. Does that account for the “Anglo” part? As for the Zionist, that is simple: the recent vote on Gaza proved beyond any doubt that every single US Senator is a diehard Zionist. As is the US corporate media. Zionism is NOT Anglo, it has a different origin. So what we are seeing today, the folks which rule over us, they are what I call the AngloZionist Empire. Don’t like it? Fine. Call it whatever you want. This is *my* choice of words and I stand by it. Sometimes I refer to the same forces as “deep state” or “1%ers” or “plutocracy”. I happen to think that the AngloZionist descriptor is the most accurate one, at definitely the one which best describes the worldview and ideology of our rulers.
The Saker
The Bible is not a history Book. It is a spiritual Book about the Wars of the Lord. From the beginning to End.
We read the letter and behind the letter is a spiritual reality. When you read about horses or theeth, there is an inner meaning. When you read about the children of Edom being thrown at a cliff, the meaning is very different. All the tribes of old Palestine had spiritual attributes before Joshua conquered the country. Remember that 12 stones were thrown into Jordan and 12 others were picked up from the water, as I remember it.
The Gospels are not simply historical reminiscenies of the Apostles. They are living spiritual reality. The Lord did come to this world. I think He dictated His Word. You can see old John on Pathmos writing the Book of Revelations as some of the most famous prophets of the Old Testament did. I hope this helps.
@Anonymous:The Bible is not a history Book
The Bible is not a book. It is a *collection* of texts. Put together by the Church. Now please go think about the implications of this before posting such inanities.
The Saker
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I thought there was something underhanded about the UN resolution.And that it should never have been agreed to.Now I see what they are doing.The Australian and other Western supporting countries are going to use it to move troops into Donbass to “protect the plane crash site”.The Guardian is reporting they are getting Kiev to agree for them to send troops there.They will end up helping Kiev to fight the Federalists.They will claim the “Terrorists” are attacking them.And they had to defend themselves from the “Terrorists”.Then they will turn the area over to Ukraine.Unless Russia moves now,it will be to late and they will have to accept defeat or be forced into war with the West.
Considering the size and the potential of Russia, it should have hundreds of spokespeople capable of defending and presenting its position. Peter Lavelle and Mark Sleboda did an excellent job and certainly didn’t allow those presstitudes to dictate their agenda. What I liked about both, Peter and Mark, is that they refused to be on the defensive and let the attacked to eat their own poison. Chris Cuomo had plenty of that poison and at the end, he was choking.
Having these type of spokespeople is the only way forward!
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Anonymous (24 July, 2014 02:59) said
…The Bible is not a history Book. It is a spiritual Book about the Wars of the Lord. From the beginning to End.
The Atheists prayer:
“Lord protect me from your followers”
;-)
Love the “have you stopped beating your wife” fallacy analogy. Perfect. I’m also thinking, Saker, maybe you can add “shell in a suit” after presstitute? It rhymes. It’s kinda catchy. And it’s apropos. Just a thought );>)
Awesome being referenced by Pepe. Keep up the good work.
VINEYARDSAKER: said… 24 July, 2014 03:05
@Anonymous:The Bible is not a history Book
I have no wish to fight you on this matter. I am sorry you feel that way, Saker, and I can only tell you I disagree. I can’t believe Heaven would give us a Holy Book “put together by the Church”, in a strange manner, and so removed from the essential eternal truths. Don’t you believe in the powers of Heaven? We are in the hands of Heaven, not earthly powers, not churches of different kinds. We have been given some simple rules of behaviour. Do this, do not do that. A great Christian religion. Keep these commandments and they look a lot like commandments in other religions.
It is strange that you want to see the Bible as a history book or a Book controlled by a Church, of which there are many. Please take a look at the spiritual language of the Bible. Perhaps you want to consult Swedenborg. Maybe you will learn something.
Oh gosh, I missed all the fun. ;~)
Bea, I’m genuinely touched by your sticking up for me and speaking your mind on my behalf. Fwiw, I didn’t see you as censoring Saker, just questioning him, though I do see how he could take it that way. In any case, I’ve liked your comments so far, do hope you’ll speak up more often, and would really like to give both of you a hug.
Anonymous 01:48
Are you the same guy I commented about before? You sure sound like him and you do seem to have the same problems. Fix ’em elsewhere, OK?
Blogger VINEYARDSAKER: said…
@Nora: watched it. Alas, I should have stubbornly stuck to my rule of staying clear of anything involving “the historical Jesus”. In my experience, any person using this terms inevitably spews a load of nonsense.
You missed Nora’s point again, Saker. The interviewer asked loaded questions that had within them false assumptions which Reza Aslan brought to everyone’s attention repeatedly and thus diffusing the traps that were set for him.
The CNN guy asked similar “Have you stopped beating your wife yet” type questions of Peter and Nora was suggesting that Peter would have been better off challenging the questions rather than attempting to answer them as they were presented.
In challenging the questions as Reza Aslan did, Peter would have made clear to the viewers what the manipulative CNN guy was up to and have left him nowhere to go.
It was the style of debate that Reza Aslan used that was the point of Nora’s comment.
I thought the video was very instructive.
Kind regards, James
after listening to that cnn idiot…i wish i could sell/give away everything i possess grapple up the pets….load our 19ft. fifth wheel and other tiny trailer with things basic for our existence…and head out to Alaska…and board the next ferry to Russia….that of course is not possible….but if i could!!!!
@it’s the way the guy handled the interview.
It looks rather that he is the one conducting the interview. There have been other interviews (one with RT) in which he does not do anything else than to repeat at nauseam the Jewish talking points, with much chutzpah.
Funny. I’ve always read the Bible as a collective inspired thought. Not as a record of human history per se — but of mans spiritual progress. What do I know. I’m still trying to figure out how they replaced “debts and debtors” with “trespasses”. That’s some powerful editing authority. Eh?
I’ve seen Aslan interviewed some months ago. Didn’t motivate me to buy his book — but thought he was being attacked for the temerity of a Muslim writing about Jesus. The whole purpose seemed to be whipping-up Zio-Christian Muslim hatred. Cui Bono? Eh…
I’ve never felt the need to protect God or Jesus from heathen. Not much difference between Christians and Heathens these days judging from the “idolaters” in the Senate funding baby-killers, satanists, and child abusers. Oh my.
@ anonymous @ 01:48
I can’t help but agree with you there. The “AngloZionist” thing is sticking out like a sore thumb in what is otherwise a very useful site. That’s why nationalism is so dumb and counterproductive. “Anglo” is not a “race” any more than “Slav” is a “race”..”Anglo” denotes a speaker of English. As for Zionist if by that you mean Jew, well again your focused on the wrong target ( yes, I know, its still bad thinking) . Treat what I suggest as politic, and a problem of symantics if you must, you would do well to drop that whole premise. Nationalism isn’t going to save anyone from the imperialists . The imperialists TRADE IN NATIONALISM..they are f-ing brokers of nationalism…Its their bank and their currency and we will lose if we try to play ti..on top of that its wrong -by wrong I mean incorrect. divide by 0. flawed logic. Its IDENTITY POLITICS. The war is a class war. Trying to win the class war against the 90000 pound gorilla by picking an argument over gay rights…actually you would have a better chance with gay rights, things as they are. I am Orthodox Christian (Antiochian by birth and by choice ) and a Socialist in case anyone is wondering, and an enemy of the Junta from the day they started killing people and taking the State Departments orders. Utterly anti-imperialist and , of course, by definition, antizionist.
@ anonymous @ 00:02
Because they ARENT LOOKING FOR A “CULPRIT”..That’s the last thing they want..They already have one. “Putin”. Or if they cant nail him, the Rebels of the Donbas…that’s the whole corporate media game. Its the whole US strategy..Facts have not mattered from the beginning. They ignore facts on make shit up all day and all night long.
Ok boys lets go for an update bout frontlines on the north side:
2 days ago Mozgovoi had to retreat from Lysychansk and Severodonetsk cause he had no more armoured vehicles to hold the positions.
Yesterday he did counter attack on those cities, Afai, Lysichansk was under sep control at mid day.
Bezler still alive still holding Gorlivka.
Subsequently Kiev retreat from those and attacked Vuhlehivsk 5KmW of Gorlivka and Debaltseve a bit north of there wich is important Crossroad to isolate lysychansk and the position of militias on Siversky river.
Heard also Cauldron is being reducted, few ukes hiding in WW2 german shelters.
Hope Strelkov can release at least half is troop from here to reinforce North and Donetsk.
That would be the 1500 most experienced fighters from Slaviansk.
Krauzer, far from home
The main task of these TV presenters, is to make their opponents look like fools. They are not interested in facts or logic, because facts and logic don’t help to win a TV debate. The western debaters always cheat with emotional triggers. They ask questions in the way that traps the responder in a very narrow corridor of options. This an evil art . Very ugly and difficult to deal with. We can always see after the fact, how this debate could’ve been better handled but to respond adequately in the heat of the moment, is a super difficult thing to do. Long time ago, I saw a documentary called “Outfoxed” and it thought me a lot about the trickery of the FOX presenters which also applies to the rest of the anglo-zionist media.
Anon @ 00:03 said:
When Adolf Hitler was at the beginning of his political career, he would engage in constant debates with ‘zionists’- those people in Germany that wanted to import the zionist controlled ‘communist’ movement from Russia. And what amazed Hitler was how the zionists would lie in order to manipulate the sheeple watching the debates. Hitler was a scumbag, but at that time in his life an ‘honest’ scumbag.
Here’s a quote from Hitler regarding these Zionist lies you talk about (image):
http://i.imgur.com/hoeWNma.png
Fwd from Canuckistan:
Upon viewing the presstitute segment and subsequently reviewing the comments, this came to mind for some strange reason…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCVlI-_4GZQ&list=UUDz091NW4xiSWqO60KVWRfw
Fear not Saker, AngloZionist loyalists and apologists are one in the same, period. Keep fightin’ the good fight!
On 24 July, 2014 01:48 Anonymous opined:
Fuck you for peddling hatred, “Saker”. I’ve supported the ethnic Russians in Eastern Ukraine since day one, and you think I’m a cunt because I’m “Anglo”.
Reading comprehension? Fantasy vs. reality? This is what Saker actually wrote:
“Let’s give the AngloZionist Empire the death by million small cuts!
The Saker”
What does the interested reader notice?
1. The term Empire
What Empire?
2. AngloZionist
Whom is Saker referring to with “AngloZionist”?
3. English Americans whose ideological background overlaps to a large degree to that of Zionists.
What are these people doing?
4. They are in charge of running the US-Empire
Now let’s put it all together within the context:
Saker wants to apply the death of a thousand cuts to the *Empire*. Knock down the political institution seized by above mentioned subset of English Americans. Nowhere is it written that all Americans shall die a death of a thousand cuts, irrespective of their role in the political system.
So what exactly is your point, other than demonstrating intellectual shortcomings of yours?
Have you ANY idea what I’ve done to promote their side of the story? The risks I’ve taken? The insults and attacks I’ve endured?
What part of “you are not part of the criticised group” and “Saker refers to the institution and not Americans in general” do you not understand? Do pictograms help?
Fuck you, you piece of shit.
Well, if that’s the style you are trying to get across your arguments, then I’m not surprised at all that you were rediculed. Rightfully so, in my opinion.
Б.
Dear Saker,
it is good if you clarify your position on the Bible as we know it. The Septuaginta, the Vulgata and the prostestant translations, including the King James.
Are you saying there is something wrong with the Bible? Am I right in assuming Heaven has given us a final say, so as to lead us in the right direction? Has the Word been manipulated, in your opinion? Such a thing is very difficult for me to imagine. I also can’t see the Apostles writing fragmental memories of the past, instead of inspired words.
As I understand it, the Word has an inner and outer meaning. This may also be true of the Quran, where only one dot makes a lot of differences.
Saker, what is wrong with the Bible being a spiritual Book and not a book of history? What is your problem? Ja nesnajo [I don’t understand]
On 24 July, 2014 00:02, Anonymous wrote:
It seems the CNN reporter are more interested in showing compassion for the deaths than in finding evindence for real culprits of this horrendous crime. Why?
The short answer is, because they want to exploit the way humans process information for pushing their propaganda line. People are most suggestible to a propaganda message, when they are in emotional distress. You can create a whole lot more distress by attaching “personal stories” to victims of an accident, possibly combined with images of the grieving family.
Propaganda does not want to provide facts to a rational fact finding discourse. Rather, it wants to manipulate people to accept a desired interpretation that its originator had conceived. Walter Lippmann called this “manufacture of consent”.
Also note the way casualties are treated in tragic events:
If those victims were supposedly caused by the West’s adversaries (or its allies), then there is a huge outcry for justice and revenge. If, however, those victims are caused by the West itself (or its allies), then they are either completely ignored or at most briefly mentioned in passing as “collateral damage”.
As a summary, the display of victims and grieving family members is highly instrumentalised and calculated to make a desired “message” stick, not to display genuine empathy. It’s the secret behind US-American totalitarianism as exhibited by the narrowly defined consensus of opinion.
Б.
It would be wonderfully symbolic if the Gazans could tunnel to several places on the wall and place explosives there which all be triggered simultaneously. Then, on command, the ‘Battle of Jericho’ could be replayed with the Gazans ‘blowing the trumpets’.
@Nora
Watch George Galloway Sky news
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiUFgWzqupQ
Its old but its good
mindfriedo
The saker goes after the Christian way. I do not trust him anymore.
How can he believe the Word is not spiritual?
I am Dutch. Rather I was Dutch
I was in Amsterdam.
I was scheduled to be on a similar Malaysian Airlines plane from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur with my Malaysian Wife.
If I had been at Amsterdam airport and witnessed this scene I would have physically attacked that CNN reporter and been arrested no doubt.
My hands are shaking with disgust and as you said I want to vomit.
I have the greatest respect for peter from Crosstalk.
But my patience with the vile putrid underhanded belittling & condescending manner of CNN crew is gone.
I could have easily been on that plane or my loved one also going home for Hari Raya & I assure you, Malaysians know the DOD CIA supported KIEV to do this.
The Western corporate media is not pushing falsehoods because it is incapable of finding the truth. It does so on purpose, because rich and powerful people have a vital interest in influencing and control public opinion to effect a desired outcome. Propaganda is the means of enforcing uniformity of opinion, which then can be used to enforce a political agenda (as it is supposedly supported by a majority).
“Globalisation” and the neoliberal monetarism cult play a vital role here, as under the pretext of “free trade” and “free markets”, a uniform set of rules as defined by the business interests of the US-Empire, are globally enforced. Non compliant parties see foreign investors withdrawing their investments almost instantly, causing stockmarket crashes and currency devaluation. If capital can be moved around freely, it will wind up where the least expenses have to be made. Thus it invariably causes a “race to the bottom” of production costs, where “human resources” are a vital of.
Typically, these ideological choices are presented as “facts of life” or “laws of nature” one has to comply with. Since elites tend to be obedient to power centres and care about power and privilege more than about ethic values or fellow human beings, they conveniently stick to these non-explanations. In fact, the entire neoliberal ideology is conveniently built around top-down control, Social Darwinism and obedience to power centres and tries to deliver after-the-fact rationalisations. It does not matter what the people think, because they have no power and “Western democracies” are designed to make people change figure heads, but not the dominant ideology itself. Additionally, elites excuse their exploitative behaviour with the “reasoning” that people are too stupid to take matters into their own hands (Walter Lippmann called it “the roar and trampling of the bewildered herd”).
Foreign policy of the US-Empire is simply dominated by the interests of multinational corporations. The goal is to exploit and dominate countries with resources the Empire is in need of and that can be best sold with “bellyfeel” terms like “freedom”, “democracy” and “Western values”. Unwilling parties are “regime changed”, their population targeted with propaganda in order to make them accept their exploitation and oppression. That it’s not about values can be easily demonstrated by the fact that dictatorships are usually tolerated as long as they ensure “stability” and do not question the dominance of US-multinational corporations.
Of course, there is a minority that sees through this, opposes this kind of rule and tries to change awareness. The fact they are not oppressed is not a sign of “freedom” and “democracy”, but the luxury of an effective totalitarian society. They pose no danger to the current order, because they are totally marginalised in the mainstream media. Further, this minority is being decimated due to changes in the US-education system. It is increasingly privatised and streamlined to corporate interests: Not to acquire knowledge but to pass exams itself, not to learn critical thinking but to accept ideology at face value becomes the main purpose. Other signs to look out for are the replacement of tenure with “adjunct” professors or teachers and the debt burden imposed on students – all done to reinforce compliance to the dominant ideology.
As a summary, one can state that the US-Empire only accepts subordination and zero-sum games. It is a highly totalitarian society exhibiting symptoms that are typical of people with Narcissistic personality disorder. Therefore, it comes as no surprise that the agenda pressed in US-controlled corporate media reflects the priorities of the ruling elite.
Б.
The English reporter is a pure Zionist.
The way he discusses the reporter of Moscou (Peter) and attacks him: Always is pointing to the victims Ohhhh the victims! of course it is. It is the same attitude the Jewsish Zionist had out of World war II the Holocaust Ohh how terrible of course but not it was not even true.
Zionists hide behind their role of perpetual victim
But who is here the victim.
He plays “ad hominum” not logical arguments but emotions(!!!!!). And oh Peter come on and Peter thit and Peter that, and now and than is surname Peter Lavelle, implicit threatening i know your name , where you live and what you do for your living. What a crook. He is looking away when Peter is talking with good arguments and even make a gesture of rejecting while looking away.
And he is suggesting things who are half true but draw the line through with blunt accusations versus Russia!
What a zionist moron (sorry for my english)