The so called “Russian Liberals” should be made to watch things like this video.And then if they still say BS like “There are no fascists in Ukraine.Well then,they should join the “democratic Ukraine ” themselves.The correct slogan for them is “suitcase,train station,Kiev”.This and other similar videos should be shown in civics classes in Russian schools.To show the youth of Russia that “fascism” was not only from the time of the great patriotic war.But the evil ideology of that day is alive again,next door,in the home of a brother people.And that it must be stopped,not accepted.
Bob, they are little puny punks. I would love to take a group of these ukronazi pukes with their tats and swastikas on an all expense paid trip to one of the inner cities here in amerika. Let them loose on a street and watch who gets down on their knees. The little puntos would not last 20 minutes.
There are a few goons like this anywhere, so that proves nothing.
What makes the Government fascist is that they’re made goons like this the police. So where an people turn if these abuse their power? that’s what fascism is about, and it would be no different if they never uttered the name Hitler or showed a swastika.
These will need to be somehow rounded up very fast, on change of government. All of them in every area at once. Otherwise they’ll just turn civilian — sure to be enough stolen or confiscated documents for them to change identities — and disappear back into the community to form underground gangs.
When the rest of us click that link (the one in your reply in the comments section) we get a live stream of some soap opera (in Russian with what appears to be Ukranian subtitles). What exactly were you folks sharing with each other (video?) that us non Russian speakers are missing here?
No clue what you’re discussing with each other since the streaming broadcast (‘inter’ channel) soap-opera makes no sense.
I get a news report when clinking the link.It talks about the news channel talking to Tornado members.And gives an audio of the interviews they had with them.There is the audio/video and below is the (bad) translation from the page.
“Since we have contacted Battalion “Tornado”. They have given us an audio recording of conversation battalion commander Ruslan Onishchenko with one of his deputies – the Mujahideen.
This conversation – proof that the battalion did bespredelnichat and looting. Fighters who have given us a record, we checked on their sources, they are real numbers in the ranks
“Without torture life would not be life. Nothing raises the tone when you are holding someone’s life,” – said a fighter with the call sign “Mujahid”.
“He’s done. He first came to this … it before (strike) of electric shock, electrocution 2 took his neck:” Scum, I’ll start with you to share your feelings, “- says” Freeman “, ie commander Ruslan Onishchenko.
“The philosophy of this. If you are willing to die – you have the right to kill. If you are willing to tolerate the torture – have the right to torture. This is true,” – he continues to “Freeman” share their filosifiey.
“Exactly,” – confirmed “fat.”
“If you have a point, then sniff only point. Anyone who gets in the nose, should take a punch. If you can not take a punch, can not swallow their bloody saliva – do not hit. Brightened, they can tolerate the pain – may try to” – I say “Freeman.”
“He already has a basement. Come to my basement” – offers a “thick”.
“Actually, it’s the director’s studio,” – says “Mujahid”.
“In general, he said. Luc Besson had studied” – picks up “Freeman.”
“In cooperation with” Tornado Pictures “shoot a very good movie,” – joking, “Mujahid”.
Soldiers in an exclusive interview with “Details” also told about torture people. The prisoners were kept in the basement. She was beaten with sticks and raped. In addition to combat missions commander Onishchenko made fighters and civilians to take away machinery and equipment. Look.
“Basically, people linger in drunken alcoholics, the homeless, who performed at us basically hozrabot – build something, to weld. A car by simply pressing at ordinary civilians. They beat them with sticks, so that in the video, what had previously heard – there really raped a man, it removes all the Mujahideen.
The prisoners have always been up to 10 people. He encouraged it gave the green light, that is: “These are your prisoners that you want, and do with them.” Well, joking – life is boring without torture. Such drugs, alcohol.
We had a fleet of vehicles, as it were. Cling to them their numbers, that is the name of the battalion went to both, or resold.
Thanks uncle bob, that helped in understanding what was being talked about and the shear depravity of these sub-animals (to call them animals is an insult to creatures that only kill to survive and eat).
This reminds me of a Sudanese Arab militia commander that gave a speech in front of his death squad. He boasted in front of the cameras that he really felt peace, satisfaction and pleasure only after massacring a few blacks in Darfur: there was no pleasure like it. You have should seen the glee in the sick faces of his ”men”. The same kind of garbage was recorded by the police of a female murderer in Texas that described getting an orgasm from axing to death an elderly couple (you had every garbage feminist in the US MSM lobbying to have her death sentence commuted; fortunately GW Bush made sure she was executed, one of the few decent things he did). There isn’t a punishment severe enough in this world for these demonic types.
I suspect “cells” across Banderastan are recording names and addresses of these fascists.Their social media accounts can and should be screened for who they are as well.When the time comes local underground forces aided by the NAF can deal with them.I don’t see a need for any Russian soldiers to be tasked with that job.
Well, these specimens, psychopaths from manual, should not have the opportunity, when things get ugly for them, to blend in with the civilian population and so could back to the “stay- behind networks” to return to massacre us at anytime please their masters.
. Yes, because now appears that these Nazis came out of nowhere and took power in a skirmish, but I still remember some information that placed them in the “stay-behind networks” of Gladio in training for months or years before the Maidan in clandestine camps in Poland.
Someone or something that do something good for humanity and “neutralized” them by God, if no, they will return. Besides, I wonder what they do when there is no war, nothing good for sure, watching their favorite pictures.
Good luck with that. Rather than shrinking away the ideology is growing. Face it, there are too many defectives inhabiting the planet. So many who do not respect life of any sort. Until the virtuos among us band together and fight against the evil spreading across the planet there will be no stopping the spread of hatred. You are in a war. Face up to it.
Enough said and as for caring for fascism, what in the above statement do you think is not fascist? Learn what it is if there is a problem with your understanding, the hint I offer is in the “money can buy” part of government.
A couple other things, telling that there was admission from the defection video that even the Germans didn’t behave the way the volunteer batalions and UAF does.
That and also Germany of WW2 was National Socialist, not Fascist as many seem to think here. I would go further to say that the Fascists of the time were using both Germany and USSR to destroy each other but that plan failed and we ended up with the Cold War.
We really need to look beyond the propaganda of that era to see what happened then and how it corresponds to the now. This is the same fight, renewed for a final push.
Think of what is occuring now in the USA with the recent Fast Track Bills pushed through a bought Senate. That is Fascism.
I wonder what all of the anti-gun lunatics think about this? This is exactly why Americans must NEVER EVER under ANY CIRCUMSTANCES EVER give up their guns. As soon as Americans are disarmed, this is what life will be like under Jewish-Washingtonian fascism.
That has nothing whatsoever to do with the US gun argument.Guns are awash in the countries under attack.Does anyone think that Syria,Libya.Iraq,Afghanistan,Nigeria,or Ukraine has a “lack” of guns among the citizenry.It is that very abundance of weapons that allow people like ISIS and in Ukraine “right sector” fascists to spread their terror campaigns.
Uncle bob that is not an accurate comparison. In the countries you mention, the guns were put primarily in the hands of organized armed criminal gangs, insurgents and terrorists.
Now let’s make a little fairer and intellectually honest comparison: Chiapas Mexico, where self-organized and self armed citizens, fed up the the drug cartels beheading and shooting people, as well with the death squad activity of the Mexican police, took up arms and within months had:
* exterminated the drug cartel based in their state (I believe the cartel pompously called themselves the knights Templar – I could have name wrong)
* and driven the corrupt police (that was protecting the cartels) out.
Poor average citizens with guns were able to defeat what the Mexican State, Army and Marines could not defeat.
So no matter how emotionally attached you are to this false idea that guns don’t protect people, it will not change the truth that they do. This is especially true when there is a sense of community and culture/ethos among the armed people to work together for a common defense (such as exists in rural America), the people of Chiapas, etc. It does not work where the population has an ethos of every man for himself attitude (Iraq, Nigeria, etc.).
Do you seriously believe that people in the US have ” a sense of community and culture/ethos among the armed people to work together for a common defense (such as exists in rural America)”. For every person that “might” be like that there are more “gangbangers,deranged young neo-nazi types,guys that their guns make them feel macho”.The country is 10-15% immigrant,and the others are divided into at least 3 racial groups,along with many different ethnic groups.In my state alone the 3 main racial groups are close to co-equal (at least in much of it ).And while they mostly all live together peacefully now.If there was a collaspe,and fight for survival.The likelihood is they would be at each others throats in a heartbeat.As for rural society,rural population in the country is probably less than 1/3 of our people.In my state alone, the 5 largest cities with the metro areas are close to 1/2 our population.And that is by far the richest parts of the state.Spme parts of rural New England or the Old South might possibly fit into your thoughts on that.But those areas are only small areas of this country.As to Chiapas the population is very rural.And the ethnic groups are united by the same culture.As well as the politics there, the Zapatista movement, further led to unity among the common people of the rural farmer class.While in places like Donbass they have a 1000 year old culture of living together as part of a “Russian Mir”.The US is a settler country.A totally different animal than most of Europe and Asia (and in Latin America to some extent).There is no comparison between a country like the US and established ancient peoples able to be made.The internal cultures are too different.The nearest comparisons to the US are with Canada,Australia,New Zealand.And possibly a few of the newer settled states of Latin America (those with large immigrant descended populations).And none of them has (yet) faced situations calling for them personally defending their societies at home.And I have no idea what area you live in.But if you don’t think we don’t have a “every man for himself attitude” who on earth does.The US is the poster boy for that attitude.From the “pioneer settler”,to the “rugged individualism” that the US glorifies.Its all about,”me.myself,and I “.
that is complete nonsense and an NRA myth. The USA is *already* a fascist country, and no amount of guns make any difference to that (even if I do support the right to bear arms). The problem is simple: 100 armed civilians are simply not the same has a military company, or even a platoon. Even cops will win against civilians. Most Fascist regimes rely on special death squads which are worth shit against a military force, but which are “superb” terror-weapons against civilians. The fact is that there are no real “well regulated militias” in the USA. I regret that, but this is a fact. What you have is a lot of civilians carrying weapons to protect themselves against *criminals* and that they are actually pretty decent at (if only because the thugs expect no resistance, nevermind armed resistance). But against a trained and, even more importantly, *cohesive* unit of folks who see each other as “brothers in arms” and whose training is paid for by the state they stand NO chance at all. None.
The American scenario would be very much like Donbass. Ordinary men, many older, with experience in military and police, with plenty of skills around equipment, fighting on their own turf.
Nevada, Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, Oregon, some parts of California, New Mexico, Arizona, Texas, Oklahoma, some parts of Washington, many parts of the South in particular would be where resistance would be launched.
Certainly, an American assault on its citizens would be devastating, but the consequences of such a fascistic war would transform forever any notion that the US government stood for Liberty.
And in the areas I indicated, most gun owners own real military weapons including weapons that are seen in combat everyday. There are hundreds of thousands of combat special operators and veterans who would be the core, not Joe the Plumber guys.
One of the reasons the Feds suckered so many police departments into federalized programs was the fact that local police and sheriffs around the nation in the 80’s did not like the national government. Reagan administration conceived of the undermining of police departments this way.
There is a local, regional spirit in America that scares the hell out of the Tyranny in Washington. You saw it when the rancher stood up against the Federal government. Thousands rallied in support of him.
Who wins such a war?
The fact is no one knows how much pain the Liberals can take. They don’t like their delusional world upset with Resistance Reality. And they have, like the US military, not experience real “incoming”.
American ingenuity would devise weapons and tactics that might be quite stunning to the fascists.
One thing for certain. Men fighting on their own land is formidable. Again I reference Donbass.
Who would aid the Resistance?
There are all sorts of criminal and foreign interests that might use the ratlines of smugglers all over the borders and coasts of the country.
The cost to the US would be its communications and electrical infrastructure.
Within an internal war like that, the price would be enormous in lives of Resistors and all the infrastructure networks of society.
It’s easy to say such a war cannot be won against a powerful military, but the cost to the government is its economy. The US is balanced on the point of a needle. It would tumble and not have a prayer of rebounding for decades.
Why do you think the government is preparing war plans? Because they know an indigent resistance is natural to a people armed and steeped in beliefs and legends of resistance to tyranny.
It would be the end of modern life and the beginning of a true dystopia.
I don’t say rebellion can’t happen.I just don’t think it would succeed.Unless,a big unless,the economy collapsed and there was a military defeat first.And then the likelihood is greater of a “maidan” followed by a military coup.The ethnic/racial divides are too great in the US.That is not true in Donbass.There and throughout Ukraine you have a “civil war”.In the US you would see a race war breakout on top of that.It would be an “every man for himself” type situation.Many of the current and former military are from different racial backgrounds.And many of those you mention in those states,with those weapons,have the US version of the “right sector” ideology.And would be worse than what we have now if they gained power.While as long as the US elite have a way (whatever of value they use) to continue to pay the repressive forces (as Russia might say,the organs of state power) they will slaughter those that defy them.In the scenario you mention they won’t care about being thought of as “democrats”.Holding power is the one and only thing they will care about.Imagine Chile,Brazil,and Argentina in the 1970’s and 80’s and you have how they will behave.The very best scenario for the US is an “American Spring” that sparks enough fear in the elite that to stop what I talked about happening they will reform.But I don’t know if its not too late for that already.
The Elites are armed, protected by contracted security operators.
The first thing the banisters and fraudsters did in NYC when the 2008 crash happened was to get conceal carry permits and guns in their offices,limos and planes.
Tis true there is no ‘well regulated militia’ operating in the USA today in the sense that the Founding Fathers intended when they wrote the 2nd Amendment and put it in the Constitution for damn good reasons. Many people erroneously believe that is the National Guard, and while certain National and State Guards do promote some ‘citizen soldier’ images, the fact is they aren’t a match of the militia, nor would any national guard unit conceive of ever disobeying federal orders in favor of those of a governor or local official. In the worst case tyrannical scenario where upon the feds started unleashing death squads against people, the worst that a ‘disloyal’ (in the eyes of a fascist government) unit might do is allow some of their weapons to ‘fall off the truck’ or be ‘stolen’ by ‘radicals’.
The other half of my statement where I disagree with the Saker is the idea that guns in private hands mean nothing when it comes to deterrence against total, open in your face tyranny in the U.S. Quite the contrary, the guns remain very important, which is why any takeover plan will have to require either getting people with guns shooting at each other (preferably it seems along racial lines) until the people are begging the feds to institute martial law and order, or a more long term technocratic form of tyranny where we all somehow end up being encouraged to plug into the matrix via bionic implants of some type or another — which IMO is the preferred globalist outcome (Huxley’s ‘tyranny without tears’).
As for the argument ‘well they’ll just drone the gun owners they need to’ or ‘even mediocre to poorly trained units are vastly superior to private militias’ — folks need to keep in mind that in any conceivable Civil War 2.0 scenario much of the economy will have already collapsed. Maintaining and fueling things like tanks and ground attack jets and helicopters is expensive, as the Kiev junta has found out. There is no guarantee any fascist federal state will be able to maintain all of its fancy equipment in the event of the Fed et al losing control and a real hyperinflationary dollar collapse setting in. Finally, the one thing nobody ever brings up in all of these armchair discussions on the Internet of what a Civil War 2.0 would be like is what the hell happens to all the nukes. Would the federal government really find it wise to wage all out war against the intermountain states and their rebellious populations with so many potentially loose nukes nearby in those silos? I don’t think so. Nukes were one of the many reasons Russia did not erupt into all out civil war in 1991 or 1993, and why the country was not invaded when it was on its knees in the 1990s except by carpetbaggers, NGOs and jihadists.
I plan to write about this in a future ‘Look Homeward Hegemon’ post.
The so called “Russian Liberals” should be made to watch things like this video.And then if they still say BS like “There are no fascists in Ukraine.Well then,they should join the “democratic Ukraine ” themselves.The correct slogan for them is “suitcase,train station,Kiev”.This and other similar videos should be shown in civics classes in Russian schools.To show the youth of Russia that “fascism” was not only from the time of the great patriotic war.But the evil ideology of that day is alive again,next door,in the home of a brother people.And that it must be stopped,not accepted.
Bob, they are little puny punks. I would love to take a group of these ukronazi pukes with their tats and swastikas on an all expense paid trip to one of the inner cities here in amerika. Let them loose on a street and watch who gets down on their knees. The little puntos would not last 20 minutes.
There are a few goons like this anywhere, so that proves nothing.
What makes the Government fascist is that they’re made goons like this the police. So where an people turn if these abuse their power? that’s what fascism is about, and it would be no different if they never uttered the name Hitler or showed a swastika.
These will need to be somehow rounded up very fast, on change of government. All of them in every area at once. Otherwise they’ll just turn civilian — sure to be enough stolen or confiscated documents for them to change identities — and disappear back into the community to form underground gangs.
them maybe this will: http://podrobnosti.ua/2041860-batalon-tornado-nasiloval-plennyh-i-voroval-mashiny.html
When the rest of us click that link (the one in your reply in the comments section) we get a live stream of some soap opera (in Russian with what appears to be Ukranian subtitles). What exactly were you folks sharing with each other (video?) that us non Russian speakers are missing here?
No clue what you’re discussing with each other since the streaming broadcast (‘inter’ channel) soap-opera makes no sense.
I get a news report when clinking the link.It talks about the news channel talking to Tornado members.And gives an audio of the interviews they had with them.There is the audio/video and below is the (bad) translation from the page.
“Since we have contacted Battalion “Tornado”. They have given us an audio recording of conversation battalion commander Ruslan Onishchenko with one of his deputies – the Mujahideen.
This conversation – proof that the battalion did bespredelnichat and looting. Fighters who have given us a record, we checked on their sources, they are real numbers in the ranks
“Without torture life would not be life. Nothing raises the tone when you are holding someone’s life,” – said a fighter with the call sign “Mujahid”.
“He’s done. He first came to this … it before (strike) of electric shock, electrocution 2 took his neck:” Scum, I’ll start with you to share your feelings, “- says” Freeman “, ie commander Ruslan Onishchenko.
“The philosophy of this. If you are willing to die – you have the right to kill. If you are willing to tolerate the torture – have the right to torture. This is true,” – he continues to “Freeman” share their filosifiey.
“Exactly,” – confirmed “fat.”
“If you have a point, then sniff only point. Anyone who gets in the nose, should take a punch. If you can not take a punch, can not swallow their bloody saliva – do not hit. Brightened, they can tolerate the pain – may try to” – I say “Freeman.”
“He already has a basement. Come to my basement” – offers a “thick”.
“Actually, it’s the director’s studio,” – says “Mujahid”.
“In general, he said. Luc Besson had studied” – picks up “Freeman.”
“In cooperation with” Tornado Pictures “shoot a very good movie,” – joking, “Mujahid”.
Soldiers in an exclusive interview with “Details” also told about torture people. The prisoners were kept in the basement. She was beaten with sticks and raped. In addition to combat missions commander Onishchenko made fighters and civilians to take away machinery and equipment. Look.
“Basically, people linger in drunken alcoholics, the homeless, who performed at us basically hozrabot – build something, to weld. A car by simply pressing at ordinary civilians. They beat them with sticks, so that in the video, what had previously heard – there really raped a man, it removes all the Mujahideen.
The prisoners have always been up to 10 people. He encouraged it gave the green light, that is: “These are your prisoners that you want, and do with them.” Well, joking – life is boring without torture. Such drugs, alcohol.
We had a fleet of vehicles, as it were. Cling to them their numbers, that is the name of the battalion went to both, or resold.
Mujahid – is also one of the closest battalion commander. This is such an Islamist torn – Isenko – very cruel. This is the same he was shooting video. Sam, in my opinion, from Belarus, “- said the fighter battalion” Tornado “.
http://podrobnosti.ua/2041860-batalon-tornado-nasiloval-plennyh-i-voroval-mashiny.html
Thanks uncle bob, that helped in understanding what was being talked about and the shear depravity of these sub-animals (to call them animals is an insult to creatures that only kill to survive and eat).
This reminds me of a Sudanese Arab militia commander that gave a speech in front of his death squad. He boasted in front of the cameras that he really felt peace, satisfaction and pleasure only after massacring a few blacks in Darfur: there was no pleasure like it. You have should seen the glee in the sick faces of his ”men”. The same kind of garbage was recorded by the police of a female murderer in Texas that described getting an orgasm from axing to death an elderly couple (you had every garbage feminist in the US MSM lobbying to have her death sentence commuted; fortunately GW Bush made sure she was executed, one of the few decent things he did). There isn’t a punishment severe enough in this world for these demonic types.
It would take 100,000 Russian boots to “round up” all these swine.
Are you proposing that?
I suspect “cells” across Banderastan are recording names and addresses of these fascists.Their social media accounts can and should be screened for who they are as well.When the time comes local underground forces aided by the NAF can deal with them.I don’t see a need for any Russian soldiers to be tasked with that job.
Well, these specimens, psychopaths from manual, should not have the opportunity, when things get ugly for them, to blend in with the civilian population and so could back to the “stay- behind networks” to return to massacre us at anytime please their masters.
. Yes, because now appears that these Nazis came out of nowhere and took power in a skirmish, but I still remember some information that placed them in the “stay-behind networks” of Gladio in training for months or years before the Maidan in clandestine camps in Poland.
Someone or something that do something good for humanity and “neutralized” them by God, if no, they will return. Besides, I wonder what they do when there is no war, nothing good for sure, watching their favorite pictures.
well, the very first step is to outlaw nazism…
Good luck with that. Rather than shrinking away the ideology is growing. Face it, there are too many defectives inhabiting the planet. So many who do not respect life of any sort. Until the virtuos among us band together and fight against the evil spreading across the planet there will be no stopping the spread of hatred. You are in a war. Face up to it.
Should be shown in the U.S. Congress
You have to pay them to pay attention.
Senators? That’s ‘Democracy’ for Whores! Look it up. Pay for play is their motto.
All become millionaires within their first term.
On average, they outperform the stock market by a factor of 2x. Impossible “growth” of personal net worth, except in the Democracy of America.
They don’t give a s**t about fascism. They care about personal wealth.
And when a few do care about fascism, they pose for selfies with the fascists (and liver-eaters).
America has the best government money can buy.
Enough said and as for caring for fascism, what in the above statement do you think is not fascist? Learn what it is if there is a problem with your understanding, the hint I offer is in the “money can buy” part of government.
A couple other things, telling that there was admission from the defection video that even the Germans didn’t behave the way the volunteer batalions and UAF does.
That and also Germany of WW2 was National Socialist, not Fascist as many seem to think here. I would go further to say that the Fascists of the time were using both Germany and USSR to destroy each other but that plan failed and we ended up with the Cold War.
We really need to look beyond the propaganda of that era to see what happened then and how it corresponds to the now. This is the same fight, renewed for a final push.
Think of what is occuring now in the USA with the recent Fast Track Bills pushed through a bought Senate. That is Fascism.
I wonder what all of the anti-gun lunatics think about this? This is exactly why Americans must NEVER EVER under ANY CIRCUMSTANCES EVER give up their guns. As soon as Americans are disarmed, this is what life will be like under Jewish-Washingtonian fascism.
That has nothing whatsoever to do with the US gun argument.Guns are awash in the countries under attack.Does anyone think that Syria,Libya.Iraq,Afghanistan,Nigeria,or Ukraine has a “lack” of guns among the citizenry.It is that very abundance of weapons that allow people like ISIS and in Ukraine “right sector” fascists to spread their terror campaigns.
Uncle bob that is not an accurate comparison. In the countries you mention, the guns were put primarily in the hands of organized armed criminal gangs, insurgents and terrorists.
Now let’s make a little fairer and intellectually honest comparison: Chiapas Mexico, where self-organized and self armed citizens, fed up the the drug cartels beheading and shooting people, as well with the death squad activity of the Mexican police, took up arms and within months had:
* exterminated the drug cartel based in their state (I believe the cartel pompously called themselves the knights Templar – I could have name wrong)
* and driven the corrupt police (that was protecting the cartels) out.
Poor average citizens with guns were able to defeat what the Mexican State, Army and Marines could not defeat.
So no matter how emotionally attached you are to this false idea that guns don’t protect people, it will not change the truth that they do. This is especially true when there is a sense of community and culture/ethos among the armed people to work together for a common defense (such as exists in rural America), the people of Chiapas, etc. It does not work where the population has an ethos of every man for himself attitude (Iraq, Nigeria, etc.).
Do you seriously believe that people in the US have ” a sense of community and culture/ethos among the armed people to work together for a common defense (such as exists in rural America)”. For every person that “might” be like that there are more “gangbangers,deranged young neo-nazi types,guys that their guns make them feel macho”.The country is 10-15% immigrant,and the others are divided into at least 3 racial groups,along with many different ethnic groups.In my state alone the 3 main racial groups are close to co-equal (at least in much of it ).And while they mostly all live together peacefully now.If there was a collaspe,and fight for survival.The likelihood is they would be at each others throats in a heartbeat.As for rural society,rural population in the country is probably less than 1/3 of our people.In my state alone, the 5 largest cities with the metro areas are close to 1/2 our population.And that is by far the richest parts of the state.Spme parts of rural New England or the Old South might possibly fit into your thoughts on that.But those areas are only small areas of this country.As to Chiapas the population is very rural.And the ethnic groups are united by the same culture.As well as the politics there, the Zapatista movement, further led to unity among the common people of the rural farmer class.While in places like Donbass they have a 1000 year old culture of living together as part of a “Russian Mir”.The US is a settler country.A totally different animal than most of Europe and Asia (and in Latin America to some extent).There is no comparison between a country like the US and established ancient peoples able to be made.The internal cultures are too different.The nearest comparisons to the US are with Canada,Australia,New Zealand.And possibly a few of the newer settled states of Latin America (those with large immigrant descended populations).And none of them has (yet) faced situations calling for them personally defending their societies at home.And I have no idea what area you live in.But if you don’t think we don’t have a “every man for himself attitude” who on earth does.The US is the poster boy for that attitude.From the “pioneer settler”,to the “rugged individualism” that the US glorifies.Its all about,”me.myself,and I “.
UNcle Bob… remember Bundy Ranch
True,what a fiasco that was.
And remember “the Battle of Athens.”
Lock and load!
Damn right, brother, Ez.
that is complete nonsense and an NRA myth. The USA is *already* a fascist country, and no amount of guns make any difference to that (even if I do support the right to bear arms). The problem is simple: 100 armed civilians are simply not the same has a military company, or even a platoon. Even cops will win against civilians. Most Fascist regimes rely on special death squads which are worth shit against a military force, but which are “superb” terror-weapons against civilians. The fact is that there are no real “well regulated militias” in the USA. I regret that, but this is a fact. What you have is a lot of civilians carrying weapons to protect themselves against *criminals* and that they are actually pretty decent at (if only because the thugs expect no resistance, nevermind armed resistance). But against a trained and, even more importantly, *cohesive* unit of folks who see each other as “brothers in arms” and whose training is paid for by the state they stand NO chance at all. None.
The American scenario would be very much like Donbass. Ordinary men, many older, with experience in military and police, with plenty of skills around equipment, fighting on their own turf.
Nevada, Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, Oregon, some parts of California, New Mexico, Arizona, Texas, Oklahoma, some parts of Washington, many parts of the South in particular would be where resistance would be launched.
Certainly, an American assault on its citizens would be devastating, but the consequences of such a fascistic war would transform forever any notion that the US government stood for Liberty.
And in the areas I indicated, most gun owners own real military weapons including weapons that are seen in combat everyday. There are hundreds of thousands of combat special operators and veterans who would be the core, not Joe the Plumber guys.
One of the reasons the Feds suckered so many police departments into federalized programs was the fact that local police and sheriffs around the nation in the 80’s did not like the national government. Reagan administration conceived of the undermining of police departments this way.
There is a local, regional spirit in America that scares the hell out of the Tyranny in Washington. You saw it when the rancher stood up against the Federal government. Thousands rallied in support of him.
Who wins such a war?
The fact is no one knows how much pain the Liberals can take. They don’t like their delusional world upset with Resistance Reality. And they have, like the US military, not experience real “incoming”.
American ingenuity would devise weapons and tactics that might be quite stunning to the fascists.
One thing for certain. Men fighting on their own land is formidable. Again I reference Donbass.
Who would aid the Resistance?
There are all sorts of criminal and foreign interests that might use the ratlines of smugglers all over the borders and coasts of the country.
The cost to the US would be its communications and electrical infrastructure.
Within an internal war like that, the price would be enormous in lives of Resistors and all the infrastructure networks of society.
It’s easy to say such a war cannot be won against a powerful military, but the cost to the government is its economy. The US is balanced on the point of a needle. It would tumble and not have a prayer of rebounding for decades.
Why do you think the government is preparing war plans? Because they know an indigent resistance is natural to a people armed and steeped in beliefs and legends of resistance to tyranny.
It would be the end of modern life and the beginning of a true dystopia.
I don’t say rebellion can’t happen.I just don’t think it would succeed.Unless,a big unless,the economy collapsed and there was a military defeat first.And then the likelihood is greater of a “maidan” followed by a military coup.The ethnic/racial divides are too great in the US.That is not true in Donbass.There and throughout Ukraine you have a “civil war”.In the US you would see a race war breakout on top of that.It would be an “every man for himself” type situation.Many of the current and former military are from different racial backgrounds.And many of those you mention in those states,with those weapons,have the US version of the “right sector” ideology.And would be worse than what we have now if they gained power.While as long as the US elite have a way (whatever of value they use) to continue to pay the repressive forces (as Russia might say,the organs of state power) they will slaughter those that defy them.In the scenario you mention they won’t care about being thought of as “democrats”.Holding power is the one and only thing they will care about.Imagine Chile,Brazil,and Argentina in the 1970’s and 80’s and you have how they will behave.The very best scenario for the US is an “American Spring” that sparks enough fear in the elite that to stop what I talked about happening they will reform.But I don’t know if its not too late for that already.
The Elites are armed, protected by contracted security operators.
The first thing the banisters and fraudsters did in NYC when the 2008 crash happened was to get conceal carry permits and guns in their offices,limos and planes.
Here I half agree, and disagree with the Saker.
Tis true there is no ‘well regulated militia’ operating in the USA today in the sense that the Founding Fathers intended when they wrote the 2nd Amendment and put it in the Constitution for damn good reasons. Many people erroneously believe that is the National Guard, and while certain National and State Guards do promote some ‘citizen soldier’ images, the fact is they aren’t a match of the militia, nor would any national guard unit conceive of ever disobeying federal orders in favor of those of a governor or local official. In the worst case tyrannical scenario where upon the feds started unleashing death squads against people, the worst that a ‘disloyal’ (in the eyes of a fascist government) unit might do is allow some of their weapons to ‘fall off the truck’ or be ‘stolen’ by ‘radicals’.
The other half of my statement where I disagree with the Saker is the idea that guns in private hands mean nothing when it comes to deterrence against total, open in your face tyranny in the U.S. Quite the contrary, the guns remain very important, which is why any takeover plan will have to require either getting people with guns shooting at each other (preferably it seems along racial lines) until the people are begging the feds to institute martial law and order, or a more long term technocratic form of tyranny where we all somehow end up being encouraged to plug into the matrix via bionic implants of some type or another — which IMO is the preferred globalist outcome (Huxley’s ‘tyranny without tears’).
As for the argument ‘well they’ll just drone the gun owners they need to’ or ‘even mediocre to poorly trained units are vastly superior to private militias’ — folks need to keep in mind that in any conceivable Civil War 2.0 scenario much of the economy will have already collapsed. Maintaining and fueling things like tanks and ground attack jets and helicopters is expensive, as the Kiev junta has found out. There is no guarantee any fascist federal state will be able to maintain all of its fancy equipment in the event of the Fed et al losing control and a real hyperinflationary dollar collapse setting in. Finally, the one thing nobody ever brings up in all of these armchair discussions on the Internet of what a Civil War 2.0 would be like is what the hell happens to all the nukes. Would the federal government really find it wise to wage all out war against the intermountain states and their rebellious populations with so many potentially loose nukes nearby in those silos? I don’t think so. Nukes were one of the many reasons Russia did not erupt into all out civil war in 1991 or 1993, and why the country was not invaded when it was on its knees in the 1990s except by carpetbaggers, NGOs and jihadists.
I plan to write about this in a future ‘Look Homeward Hegemon’ post.