Poroshenko’s inauguration speech has sent a message to Novorossiia and Russia:
- No federalization
- No state status for the Russian language
- No recognition of the Novorossian political leadership
- Full and unconditional surrender of the Novorossian Defense Forces
- Crimea will forever belong to the Ukraine.
He could not have been any clearer: that is basically a declaration of war and an ultimatum. This is also a full endorsement of the “Banderastan project”.
Clearly, the US has prevailed over the hoplessly spineless EU leaders like Merkel or Hollande and the AngloZionists will have their way.
I must leave my computer for the next 12 hours and I cannot write a full analysis of Poroshenko’s decision to fully follow the US line, but I will say that two things appear inevitable now: a Russian military intervention in Novorossia followed by the Cold War v2 the AngloZionists wanted so badly. Up until this moment the European colonies still had a chance to avoid a future which will hurt them much more than it will hurt the US or Russia, but they could not even muster the willpower to protect their own vital interests.
I am disgusted beyond words.
The Saker
This does not look promising for a peaceful outcome.
“Poroshenko promises united Ukraine and no compromise on Crimea”
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/06/07/us-ukraine-crisis-idUSKBN0EI09N20140607
Good Morning Saker
I saw Poroshenkos comment and thought exactly the same thing
A declaration of war.
Nothing more or less could be expected- he is a puppet
And the puppet masters in NATO pull the strings….
I just heard on the radio that there has been an explosion ( car bomb?) in the center of Kiev!
What can it mean? False flag?
Recalling when the Syrian army was winning positions….
I am truly and utterly disappointed with his inauguration speech. A great opportunity has been squandered.
However, its a step forward and the intentions of the new leadership are clearer which gives the Novorossian and Russian leadership the opportunity to formulate their action plan.
There aren’t many choices left for them though. There options could be:
1) Accept the United Ukraine and give back Crimea.
2) Continue the current status of low intensity war.
3) Enforce the will of the people of Novorossiia and Russia steps in.
Clearly, the first option wouldn’t be acceptable for Mr Putin.
The choice lies between continuing the low intensity with subsequent prolonged human suffering and giving the pro-junta forces more time to consolidate with the help of mercenaries or ensuring that the people of Novorossiia are helped by clean, surgical strike.
I think the thinking of European leadership, if there’s any such leadership is very obvious.
Its a make or break moment for Russia. Mr Putin needs to decide and decide fast whether he wants to continue the pivot to East and secure the Western borders of Russia from the persistent NATO onslaught or give in to the Empire’s desire of European domination and extending its tentacles to the Western Fringes of Russia.
I hope he acts fast now.
Dear The Saker,
I am disgusted too. What goes around comes around and they will reap what they have sown.
The poor people of Novorossia.
Sadly, it will be the people of Europe – not their so called leaders who will suffer :(.
Crimea was never part of Ukraine and will forever be Russia! Put that in your pipe and smoke it Poroshenko. The guy is a complete and utter idiot – he should have never been at D Day either!
What a disgrace after an event rememberig WWII and how many died.
Rgds,
Veritas
p.s. I think the standing and waving from Biden and EU president at the inaugeration said it all……from the brief clip shown on RT earlier today….
Novorossiia’s answer, possibly…
Car blast in Ukraine’s Kiev near presidential HQ
A car has exploded in central Kiev where the presidential administration, the Ukrainian parliament and the governmental district are located, Kiev police said. Injuries are being reported.
The explosion occurred at about 10:00 am local time (07:00 GMT), just as President Petro Poroshenko was taking his oath of office.
The vehicle caught on fire. Police have not yet commented on what may have caused the blast.
“The Infiniti-make car belongs to a local, who is around 50 years old,” the law enforcers said.
The car’s driver, a Ukrainian national, got his thigh broken and severely wounded and two toes ripped off in the blast. He was immediately taken to a local hospital. The police are currently investigating the case.
The car’s plate numbers were consistent with those from the eastern Ukrainian city of Lugansk, which has recently claimed its independence from Kiev, local news outlets claimed.
More…
http://rt.com/news/164444-ukraine-blast-swear-president/
As a Kiev resident, this was my worst fear.
This is the dynamic:
The US definitely has had enormous problems getting the Europeans on board with effective sanctions.
The US believes that the only way to get the Europeans on board will be to provoke a military incursion into Ukraine by Soviet troops.
1) I don’t think they’re right. France will not fight Russia. Cas fermée.
2) Putin will never send in troops, but he will send more and more and more weapons, men, everything he can. And it is alot.
And how, pray tell, will the US prevent Putin from doing this? Did the US prevent Moscow from arming the North Vietnamese? And if I recall correctly, North Vietnam did not share a border with Russia.
Increasingly, I believe there is no way the US wins here.
“Soviet troops” you mean Russian troops
Actually i was suprised that Putin have said some good words about Zionist Poroshenko. From the beginning it was known, that this guy won’t cooperate in any circumstances.
Ukrainie will soon suffer from great austerity thanks to IMF and they have no money to pay their bills for natural gas. Maybe this is their strategy…
Andrew,
If border between Donbas and Russia is completely liberated, then men and special “tools” can move across freely. If some of these men are expert at shooting down planes and helicopters, then a “no fly zone” would have been established. If more or these men are skilled at destroying convoys, then the Right Sektor might find life in Donbas very worrying. The British army had no freedom of movement in Northern Ireland. A handful of IRA fighters kept the mighty British army confined to barracks. The Ukie army and the fascist Right Sektor could be chased out of Donbas without Russian intervention. Russia should adopt tactics used by the NATO-West. Speaking with forked tongue is clearly the way forward.
if this happens …which i still pray doesn’t move head on
we may or we must be looking
a) Break up of EU
b) Eurasian Alliance on a more stronger footing (Russia and China )
c) Dead End of UN system….which it already is in a sense (United Neocon system)
d) Something bad instigated in shia axis by these bloodsuckers
I am not a clairvoyant..
but this would be last semblence of NATO (Neurotic Alliance of Thirsty Oligarchs)
still….dont want to belive that it has to happen,,,,but all these ragtag neonazi right sector would have no where to hide when the bear wakes up and crosses the border…
what you sow,so shall ya reap
May Sanity Prevail.
Well… a pretty ominous beginning for Poroshenko!
if this happens …which i still pray doesn’t move head on
we may or we must be looking
a) Break up of EU
b) Eurasian Alliance on a more stronger footing (Russia and China )
c) Dead End of UN system….which it already is in a sense (United Neocon system)
d) Something bad instigated in shia axis by these bloodsuckers
I am not a clairvoyant..
but this would be last semblence of NATO (Neurotic Alliance of Thirsty Oligarchs)
still….dont want to belive that it has to happen,,,,but all these ragtag neonazi right sector would have no where to hide when the bear wakes up and crosses the border…
what you sow,so shall ya reap
May Sanity Prevail.
The crux NATO/EU [ Anglo-Zionist ] is to isolate, destabilize and wipe Russia off the map.
Poroshenko follows the script at brief ceremony attended by US Vice President Joe Biden and the new Russian Ambassador Mikhail Zurabov (Debkafile) — now it is to be seen whether this is a double-double-cross and if so, of whom. The mendacity index must be screaming past the red-flashing-light stage by now. Only actions count now in this test of whose side ‘history’ will be on.
Quoting Crazy Ivan:
Mr. Poroshenko’s Middle Finger to Mr. Putin!
Just as I suspected – the South-Eastern Ukraine must lay down arms and there will be safety corridors to Russia for Russians, only those who do not have blood on their hands.
Does “Russians” refer to citizens of the Russian Federation or anyone who self-identifies as “Russian” by nationality? (= everyone in Donbass)
Sound very much like a replay of “Operation Storm” of 1995 to me!
Well, it would be naive to expect anything else from Poroshenko but to lick his masters boots. He will disappear down the drain of history as just another potroshenko.
Guru
Malcolm Donald commented on the last post that Capitalism is Fascism.
It is, it always was, right from the start (driving peasants off their land in the UK, the genocide against Native Americans, building a society based (cotton MADE us!) on enslaving millions. Then some documents with wonderful but empty words and millions of people coming here and building decent lives for themselves, but on an utterly rotten foundation. Okay, it was “only” people of color who bore the brunt — until maybe after WWII when our true colors (and “adoption” of Nazis and Nazi methods) started showing. But we still bought all the myths.
No one who hasn’t been bought or threatened can do that anymore. Not now. By their fruits shall ye know them. We have met the enemy and he is us.
Now what?
It’s pretty obvious what lies ahead for Ukraine — but what about us? What the hell do we do about this?
Sad day indeed!
@Veritas, when you say taht Poroshenko should never have been at D Day me thinks you didn’t see this http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-6vJGuHnVidM/U5LdwqLjQgI/AAAAAAAACmw/Hy62ne-lqJ4/s1600/Timo.jpg
Putin Just ordered to tighten the border security, which is odd since Novorossiya now has some 150 kilometres fully under their control. Is he trying to slam the door on them like the Egypt to Gaza or what?
The Zionazi´s their, UN quislings and local clowns have made it clear in every way that they are going to impose a cold war on Russia no matter what, so i cant see what there is to achieve with this “Mr.Nice guy scenario”, praising the Chocolate-Hitler while he insults you, the gas-thing and now this, other than to ridicule oneself. There is no isolation either way, BRICS and the rest of the free world will support Russia, the Anglo-Zionazi-axis will not. €USSR is deeply divided. England will do whatever Barack Banana and his white masters say, but im not sure Germany and France is suicidal enough (again) to do so.
Slaviansk is already Stalingrad 2.0 the massacres goes on and the zionazi´s clearly dont give a shit about what they consider untermenschen so yes, impose a NFZ and make what inevitably will happen, happen. If Novorossiya with a lot of help can liberate their territory by themselves fine, if not just get it over with and time will tell that Novorossiya definitely is a nicer place to be than the NATO protectorate Banderastan.
Mikhas.
Quod Erat Demonstrandum !
I too am disgusted by this. Poroshenko privately tells Putin he wants to find commmon ground between all sides, yet he tells the public the exact opposite. Maybe shutting off the gas would knock some sense into the EU leadership.
“The Zionazi´s their, UN quislings and local clowns have made it clear in every way that they are going to impose a cold war on Russia no matter what”
Yes, of course but… may be the goal is to avoid a HOT war at least for a while and until the prospects of the confrontation look a bit better?
And none of us, armchair strategists, has the least modicum of truly critical information on this, do we?
Fort Apache program last edition, about the Ukraine, portraying Poroshenko…
Enjoy.
http://hispantv.com/detail/2014/06/07/274624/fort-apache-ucrania-democracia-guerra
when you are a master of communication as Putin, you try to anticipate opinions.
I think he already knew the Poroshenko speech and “opinions”. He said already about him ” don’t listen his words, just see his actions”.
Then.. Nothing surprising today about his words.
He is following the USA/NATO dynamic, word by word. And Putin new this. And his short feedback after yesterday meeting, was only to show to ” thinkers” how much Ukr gov is only a puppet’s island.
I think is was some manipulative resume yesterday, to say good words about Poroshenko… giving some hope, then… reading the declaration of war today. I’m just not surprised. This is the game of manipulation, anticipating the narrative.
Second point I want to bring to your attention, is for whom who can observe at the soul level, what is happening in many leaders speech. They are “absent”. They speak, they use words, but there is a full disconnection between the “human consciousness” and some ” demoniac presence”.
I invite you to hear Hollande president. He seems speaking as a virtual character, some 3D being, without “human soul” inside.
Since centuries, from Buddha, humanity had access to force of compassion and suffering. And many in this blog are connected to this stream.
Leaders are the obvious example of how you do compromise with the “beast”.
Power doesn’t make you bad…
Power, somehow, in our time, if you don’t have heavy morale force, makes you Ahrimanic creature. Looking for power, serving destruction and fears.
Poroshenko is finally showing to the world, and I guess, European community, whom he is serving.
150 000 dead in Syrian.
How many in Ukr?
Putin now, probably played a nice coup. A coup in advance.
quote ” followed by the Cold War v2 “
what cold war v2/ that cold war version 2 has been on since mid 90s only thew victim russia was delusional under traitors.
now hot wqar has been on since libyan attack in 2011 helped by traitor medvedev and lavrov.
that hot war that is world war 3 has been since 2011 and only victims russia and china do not know it.-still sleeping over the problem staring at their face.no prioir plannign -still delusional talk and talk.
Various American politicians have been patronizing the Kiev regime people, assuring them of support. There was a story the other day that military advisors were also to be provided. Apparently they’ve decided to ramp things up and push for confrontation. The Kiev people must be feeling emboldened now with their new backers. The Americans are willing to fight to the last Ukrainian.
It’s the 100th anniversary of WWI and again we have some of the same things happening, an aggressive move to the east and attempted annexation of territory. It’s another disaster in the making if the leaders miscalculate as they did the last time around. I’m starting to become rather pessimistic about how this whole thing is going, thanks to the war-dog politicians we happen to have.
Guys what you expect the Chocolate King to say on his Inauguration Day. Remember, he is politician.
Best regards,
Mohamed.
Not surprised, Amerika cycle-0-path neo-con win and Ukraine citizens lose
Take a break Saker.
Everything will work out, a political solution will materialize (in the end) and things will balance out in the end.
You’re in a marathon, not a sprint, you keep pushing yourself like this and your health is going to get affected. If burn out (emotionally as well as physically), will that serve your cause?
It’s undeniable that in the end, one way or the other, this will be resolved politically.
hardcore said…
Well… a pretty ominous beginning for Poroshenko!
Hot in Kiev, heat + stuffy uniform + standing at attention for God knows long.
Timing wasn’t so good? :-@
Been there myself (on a steel deck rather than land)!
To the commentor about Operation Storm, maybe so but probably even worse. It implies the media silence on this.
Anyone in France? I need some advice…
Le Dahu
So does Putin still think Poroshehnko is OK?its Putin’s move.
Putin and Russia have to move cautiously.
Saker are you really that surprised at Poroshenkos speech?,Im not in the least surprised.It was totally predictable.
I actually thought Poroshenko might be reasonable & capable of negotiating but it’s crystal clear now he’s the same as Yats, Turchinov, Tyanibok and all the other scumbags associated with this Junta. Still though, I pray Russia doesn’t directly intervene. And there is no way Crimea is re-marrying that diseased Ukrainian whore. It’s incredible that Poroshenko thinks it could happen. Is he that stupid or is he just talking tough?
the problem with Russia and china has been thier pathological belief on what the anglos tell them , which makes them not go for alliances to counter the anglos onslaught on russiana nd chinse interests.
take for example iran non delivery of s300 which was paid for. even during putin time it was deliberately being delayed and finally medvedev stopped it altogether. All the delaying tactics by putin and later medvedev was done to get membership in WTO which is angloc ontroled institution and Russia should not have joined it.
so Russia showed to the potential allies that it can be bribed with a few pieces of silver and is an unreliable ally.
the same thing happened when Iceland was in trouble-Russia could have helped Iceland with a few billions dollar worth of guarantee and gained reliable partner in north europe. but russia chose to be shopkpper at a wrong time.
These examples are many which show russia is very unprepared for the war which anglos have plotted for a long time
one more thing. you will know anglos are in toruble only when UNO chooses to intervene because UNO only intervenes to rescue anglos interests. Until that happens think that anglos are winning against russia and china and against world.
to remove this slavery world needs to unite under russia and china to kill anglos empire.
Yes, Putin may just have had his ‘Neville Chamberlain’ moment — or he may have agreed on ‘D-day’ boundaries for the fight that is obviously required to work it out. With Hezbollah now in the Golan Heights facing off with Israeli ‘Lebanese farms and fields’ potentially putting an S-400 ‘no fly’ zone over Tel Aviv it is far from certain how it will play out through direct force. My guess is anything goes sub-nuclear.
With guards ‘fainting’ at a Ukie-chocolate-king’s ceremony; cars exploding in Kiev; and Charles Mason out on parole; we can only wonder at the evolutionary potential of the ‘talking-ape’.
The question is: first move? My guess — a new ‘UN’ Russian Crimean Peace Keeping Force (RCPKF) to the Golan Heights pointing S-400s in every direction for ‘peace’ AND a new non-UN Ukrainian Crimean Peace Keeping Force (UCPKF) to R2P in the land of “supporters of federalization” some call “Novorossiya”. Complex? … so is Putin’s ‘Mona Lisa’ smile.
Basically: Porochenko has not declared war on Russia (yet), however, he has declared war on the break-away Ukrainian Republics of Crimea and Sevastopol. They now have every option open to them to meet Porochenko and his ratbag criminal fascist ‘government’ in the streets of Kiev. Perhaps its straight to the big naval guns in Sevastopol (would they reach Kiev?) — or perhaps its first to R2P corridors in Novorossiva then onto the ‘picnic’ in Kiev with some new Novorossiyan friends? Military Industrial Complex Stock index just jumped to ‘high growth’ — they’re happy! Overstocked inventory? No problem! Oh, and apparently the great ‘iron dome’ did not stop some Hezbollah test rockets the other day on the Golan. The only certainty now is additional uncertainty.
“No state status for the Russian language”
As a Finn I very much understand hardline minority language policy. Over here the Swedish-speakers (5.5% of the population) have managed to lobby for Swedish to be a compulsory language in schools and universities. Reflect on the latter especially – how appropriate is it for a nuclear physicist to waste their time learning a language? In case you still don’t get it, imagine a situation where welsh were compulsory for all university students in the UK. And not only university students – all public servants too. That’s what we have in Finland and that’s what they should want to avoid in the Ukraine.
Best wishes
Anonymous in Finland
when I wrote yesterday that the “crazies”, as I called them, might well get what they want (a Russian military intervention) – I really meant it.
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I cannot speak for others but, for what concerns me, that is the last thing I “want”, not more than I’d “want” to shoot an armed robber assaulting my home and my family.
I have just pointed out the futility to cut a deal with gentlemen of that kind.
If I may give an advice to Russian people and officials: do not spare any effort to make everything coming out from Russia understandable to Western (above all European) public!
An army of translators must be hired and any video, any statement, anything, concerning this crisis must be made available (at least) in English.
European people will never support an open involvement of their Countries in Ukraine, above all “educated” people, otherwise abandoned to their media lies.
No war can be fought without public support, least of all one against someone who can actually fight back (unlike the precedent unilateral massacres by the D-Empire).
I am thinking the car bomb is a hoax, truly
Dear The Saker,
http://voiceofrussia.com/2014_06_07/At-D-Day-Putin-professional-Poroshenko-bows-to-the-Queen-3140/
Interesting article on D Day. I think it sums it up.
Rgds,
Veritas
Remember that the West has opened up the Infinite Check Book for Kiev. Putin needs to take step-wise measure to signal that in the end, the full power of the Russian State will be used to counter violence against Russians.
Start with non-violent means: rhetoric, gas, media, legal maneuvers.
Then move to shrouded violence. Supplying Donbas, air to air combat (this is hard to turn into a CNN story like the “Syrian Gas” and 9/11), special forces.
Then move to formal military maneuvers.
Some will say this will bring crippling sanctions and possibly a military response from the West.
Sanctions are already guaranteed. Putin is Amalek to the New World Order. They want him gone and Russia broken.
The West may test Putin militarily, an outside chance. That is when Putin detonates a nuke in an unpopulated region to sober people up. If the West is so debauched that instead of using diplomacy for a reasonable world order they kill for the New World Order, WWIII may actually avoid a techno-tyranny worse than death (especially for Christians).
We are all paying now for the sin of allowing these anti-God psychopaths to take power in our name, and we will continue to pay. The question is not whether to fight, the question is can we save the patient while removing the cancer?
There won’t be boots on the ground.
Airspace and tanks are the main target for resistance. Putin will give them what they need.
So, he will send missiles and anti-tank weapons.
He will do training on the Russian side.
He will play with the UN for June while Russia is the chair.
Then, there is the Media War to convince the world of the war crimes of the neo-nazis.
The people have to send out photos and videos of the carnage and suffering. Putin needs to make sure there is satellite web service, wireless service in Donbass. Communication and streaming live will win the Media War.
Chocolate Man just signed his nation’s termination notice.
Europe will splinter over this. France and Germany cannot afford a prolonged break with Russia.
This is an economic war. The West needs what Russia has. Ideologues pitch this as a battle of adversary ideologies. It is not. It is about natural resources and who gets to control them.
The Hegemon wants global control. The battle is now between Russia with China versus the Hegemon and its lackey nations.
JerseyJeffersonian says…
Well, that’s it. That’s a throwdown, it’s on now. God help us all.
The “leadership” of Old Europe is a flock of castrated sheep led to the slaughter. Fuck ’em.
…and what exactly was he supposed to say? The phrases he uttered were exactly what the hyped-up, hysterical and delusional populace of rump Ukraine wanted to hear. Anything else, and he’d have another Maidan on his hands. Not that he won’t have it anyway later, mind you…
The thing about the Ukie oligarch-politicians is that they always say what they think others want to hear. Then they go ahead and do what they want to do anyway, unless they’re forcefully compelled to abide by their promises. And promises are cheap in Ukraine; everyone makes ten of them a day, and each of them contradicts the one made before. In fact, they don’t even have to make sense at all, because no one plans to keep their word anyway. Just take a look at all the bull spewed by Ukies on the issue of gas deliveries/payments over the past years.
The real problem is that this applies just as fully to the Novorossiya leadership, since it crawled out of the same test tube as the various Poroshenkos/Kolomoiskys/Yanukovichs. Which, among other things, is why the “white officer” idealist Strelkov is forced to send troops to Donetsk on occassion instead of vice versa.
BOPOH.
Dear The Saker,
Came across this blogger who seems to be on the same wave length as sees the bigger picture. He seems to understand Putin’e chess moves:
http://www.tomatobubble.com/id595.html
Rgds,
Veritas
Definitely this man has no respect for anything or anyone.
Making “selfies” at the Nelson Mandela´s funeral, his Nuland sending EU to the hell by telephone, chewing gum in D-Day celebrations…What more?
People of Europe! Is anyone there?
http://actualidad.rt.com/actualidad/view/130402-obama-masticando-chicle-dia-d-enfurece-internet
Anon Finn,
Then Russian should be the official language, and Ukrainian the one that isn’t used. It is a dialect in the West. More seriously, the issue is that Switzerland shouldn’t make Italian the only legal language; it would be ridiculous. In the case of the Ukraine, it is a declaration of war.
The Ukraine is a creation of the Communists that includes many different cultures, and is not like Finland at all.
Definitely this man has no respect for anything or anyone.
Making “selfies” at the Nelson Mandela´s funeral, his Nuland sending EU to the hell by telephone, chewing gum in D-Day celebrations…What more?
People of Europe! Is anyone there?
http://actualidad.rt.com/actualidad/view/130402-obama-masticando-chicle-dia-d-enfurece-internet
DPR Supreme Council chairman’s aide killed in Donetsk downtown
http://en.itar-tass.com/world/735255
A war of tit-for-tat assassinations.
The model for escalation is Serbia.
General Wesley Clark must be drooling to design the air strikes on Russia. And he’s Hillary’s #1 Military adviser.
Well, I suppose that that ass Poroshenko will never sell another bar of chocolate or another box of candy in Russia, which used to be the main market for his mediocre products. I never understood why people there bought his Roshen products instead of the far superior home grown Gorkunov and Babaevskiy chocolates, and likewise it is difficult to understand why Poroshenko cut his nose to spite his face, so to speak. Watching a short clip of the inauguration it was most interesting to see Biden and McCain there with wide grins on their faces, and they have reasons to be pleased indeed.
I do believe however that the divisions between the US and Western Europe could yet widen over sanctions and what will be viewed as overly aggressive policies towards Russia. That chapter is far from being closed and played out. And the greed of the Americanist elite knows no bounds as they clearly demonstrated by fining BNP Paris-Bas almost 11 billion Dollars. That is not going over well with the French and can only reinforce the position of the Front National which was already making substantial gains in the latest European elections. Greed and stupidity will accelerate the demise of the cabal in Washington and its allies in Europe.
Thank you Saker and God bless!
American Russophile
China just won the sweepstakes…
I can say I am an elephant but that does not make me so.
A great opportunity has not been lost but gained.
Does Poroshenko have any choice then to show defianc toward Russia to please the US and Europe, at least temporarily until he gets the financial help he needs?
Ultimately and it is obvious, Crimea will remain Russian, Ukraine will be a a bilingual country, and there will be a decentralization that would give more autonomy to the Eastern part of Ukraine.
All these pompous declaration is for public comsumption. No one seriously believe them
disThe U.S. neocons are mercenaries working for the defense industry. The U.S. media is to a lesser extent but definitely working for the the interests behind U.S. intel since they’re printing a script (Operation Mockingbird lives). Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich are out of politics. Paul Wellstone is dead. There are no institutional politicians in the U.S. who will perform the gadfly/conscience role.
However, the new Cold War is not going to work with the people and, every now and then, the people prevail as they did with the proposed attack Syria resolution (which would have lost in both House and Senate without any doubt).
We’ve got Jeb Bush versus Hillary Clinton in a duel of the political clans, each of which represents a faction of the financial elite.
“We have left undone those things which we ought to have done, And we have done those things which we ought not to have done.”
However, one thing people in the U.S. have done is give up on these insand foreign adventures. Libya and Syria had and have no public support. Ukraine, to almost all, is simply strange. In 2013, 1/2 the people wanted out of NATO, 75% said no help for Israel if Israel attacked Iran – 75%.
Watch for a new political figure to capture this mood and turn it against the current set of losers.
People want jobs, health care, and attention to basics. This is the final pipe dream of the atavistic faction. If they don’t get us all killed first, it will be their last gasp.
(btw, I’ll bet Porochenko cut a deal and is just double dealing the U.S. and his people. He needs a viable country to steal more than he’s currently making on candies, vice, etc.)
Two comments by Dimitri Rogozin within the last 24 hours.
https://twitter.com/DRogozin
W/out waiting up for the UN Security Council decision Slavyansk self defence forces declared a no-fly zone themselves http://t.co/pfQkm8OroX Slavyansk Self Defence Forces Announced Shooting Down 3 Helicopters
I’ve never doubted the need to return the name to great Stalingrad http://t.co/NverjR6NI6 Not for the sake of Stalin, but for the sake of Stalingrad’s residents.
There’s A Wish To Rename Volgograd Back To Stalingrad, Putin Doesn’t Mind
Just my luck. In early February, pre Sochi, when things still seemed normal, I booked and paid for a 12-day trip to Moscow, the Golden Ring, and St. Petersburg. After the coup I added universal trip insurance, supposed to cover anything, 8% extra. Small potatoes of course now, compared to the horrible events in Donetsk and Lugansk. But it seems less likely I’ll be going.
If you allow me to make a suggestion.
Don’t waste this opportunity.
Don’t worry and go as planned.
You’ll like it.
“Anonymous in Finland”
You have a long history as Swedes that you can not deny, Swedish culture and Swedish traditions. If you go on and try to suppress the one´s that doesn’t agree with your hard line, made up nationalistic agenda and fascist, neo-nazi way´s, you are in for big problem and you´r just like the banderites.
Tro mig, du kommer längre med två-språkighet.
@Anonymous 4:16
Apples to oranges.
In Ukraine, Russian IS the majority language. Its at 85%, not 5% like Swedish in Finland.
Imagine if YOU had to lobby the swedes to make Finnish a secondary language when its the main language in the country. Thats how the Russian speakers are feeling.
I hope that I am wrong, but I think that Putin and Poroshenko will strike a deal
Putin is closing the Ukrainian border.
Poroshenko has said that he will order an opening of evacuation corridors for the militants withdrawal from Ukrainian territory.
The infiltration of the militants will decrease, the deliveries of weapons will cease.
Strelkov has said his men are outnumbered five to one and outgunned because they have no artillery, while Ukrainian troops use howitzers against Sloviansk.
It is just a matter of time, those who can flee to Russia will do this, while others will be hunted down and killed…
Already the have assasinated the Deputy Leader of the Donestk PR. That is is happening on the day of Poroshenko’s swearing leave a sour taste in the mouth
I wonder about the strange contradiction between the rather positive comments by Putin about their talk and this declaration of war.
Sounds like Paraschenko has told Putin something different. What?
Declarations are declarations. The question is what will be really done. One has to take into account that the Nazis are quite strong, and even if Paraschenko does not like them he cannot get rid of them in a very simple way.
One possibility: To give the heavy Nazis a short chance to win, and, once they don’t win, to throw them away as losers. One the side of the military, remove the army from the front and let the fighting be done only by the right sector – which can be interpreted as a form of getting rid of the right sector forces, because nobody in Kiew has the power to take away their weapons. Instead, the DNR has such abilities.
And, after the right sector military is finished, one can think about a ceasefire, which, as usual for ceasefires, can become a de facto peace.
A hint in favour of something like this: The completely irreal character of the aims (getting the Crimea back, winning in very short time) puts him in a position where he cannot be considered a predator if he does not reach all his aims. How much he reaches in such a situation, is much less important. It may be almost nothing – but nobody will care much, attacking him from the right side for such a ceasefire would be hopeless, especially if the right sector has been reduced in its military power.
In other news, Ambassador Rice is offering lethal aid to the Syrian rebels.
Remember Hal Lindsey and The Worldwide Church Of God of Herbert W. Armstrong, the very influential British Israelism church? They predicted end times events leading to a Uited Europe, and war with Russia.
Some say the US is still influenced by this type of thinking.
So we move from a unipower to a multi-power bloc. Good.
Yes, the situation is sad. But, the Russians learned their lessons in Afghanistan and Chechnya, and it seems, the US still hasn’t learned from Vietnam and a dozen other conflicts since then.
Sadly, you are right and I figure within the next 3 weeks or sooner, Russia will be forced to engage militarily. They have their red lines, too, but they don’t broadcast them as canon ( no puns in that last sentence, honest). Bluster is not Putin’s style.
Save the children.
Washington’s Iron Curtain in Ukraine:
http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/06/06/washingtons-iron-curtain-in-ukraine/
One thing I haven’t heard anyone mention, but seems very probable, is that it’s not only the US that may be telling Poroshenko what to do. He also has the “Right Sector” thugs to worry about. Reports are appearing that the Right Sector has had “talks” with Poroshenko and that they are going to provide him with his own “army”. I suppose this would be in order to provide “protection” — including of course protection from themselves, mafia style. This is important to keep in mind because, if by any chance he was ever tempted to argue against the orders from the Americans, or hesitate in his treatment of the East, a simple-throat clearing noise by his protectors should be enough to clear his confusion.
http://liva.com.ua/vse-reshaet-avtomat.html
Excerpt:
“A spokesman for the Right Sector said live on a radio station: “We have held talks with the president and now he has his own army.” On what legal grounds these “negotiations” are based is anyone’s guess. “From tomorrow we start to help the president in the process of dissolution of the Supreme Rada [Parliament] – it will be dissolved”.
Many under estimate the potential of the Donbass People’s Militia.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deIN34wyTAY
(((((Study Hezbollah)))))
Do you want do die for them?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=gTJYvMzTCsc
Anonymous said…
“No state status for the Russian language”
As a Finn I very much understand hardline minority language policy. Over here the Swedish-speakers (5.5% of the population) have managed to lobby for Swedish to be a compulsory language in schools and universities. Reflect on the latter especially – how appropriate is it for a nuclear physicist to waste their time learning a language? In case you still don’t get it, imagine a situation where welsh were compulsory for all university students in the UK. And not only university students – all public servants too. That’s what we have in Finland and that’s what they should want to avoid in the Ukraine.
Best wishes
Anonymous in Finland
07 June, 2014 14:16
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Russian and Ukrainian languages are like standard Italian and Veneto [ from Venice ] or like Croatian and Serbian.
Thanks for your untiring efforts, Saker. I do not share your opinion that Russia will be forced to intervene. We can assume that the anti-Kiev brigades already have or soon will have the capability to knock out any incoming aircraft. Without the ability to inflict damage from the air, airlift in supplies and extract/replace troops an army operating in a hostile environment is in serious trouble (think Vietnam without Chinooks).
With anti-tank weapons, any land supply convoys can be similarly attacked. Add to this the extremely low morale of Ukrainian troops and you are left with an effective fighting force of officers and an unknown number of “National Guard” extremists.
The fact that the local population correctly view them as fascists can only help morale and boost recruitment both locally and from Russia – especially as the tide begins to turn as soon it must.
Calm your heart Mr. Saker
So, yesterday Mr. Poroshenko offered “positive talk” in Normandy with Mr. Putin’s reaction being we will see [if he delivers]. Today, the inaugural address was for domestic consumption. What has changed? NOTHING. Mr. Porosenko controls squat. The Empire’s junta is still in charge.
Do you think Crimea will be returned?
Do you think the Banderistas will concede?
Do you think Russia will be subordinated by a bankrupt Empire = US/NATO/EU?
Yes it’s a bankrupt Empire in search of confrontation.
Consider:
The US prints $$ for Ukraine but nothing for bankrupt cities, BLS stats 37.2%: Not in Labor Force at 36-Year High
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/ali-meyer/372-percentage-not-labor-force-remains-36-year-high
Let’s look ahead. Ukraine is where the US$ went to die. Still not a believer that the US$ is being cast aside? Follow the money…
The UK government has agreed to establish a yuan-clearing bank in London
http://thebricspost.com/uk-announces-yuan-clearing-bank-in-london/#.U471Fihc9Cj
This month Russia holds the presidency of the UNSC that allows setting the agenda
Take some time to read these:
Russia formally quits G8
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2014/06/05/russia-quits-g8/
“Peskov said Putin will not discuss Ukraine with President Barack Obama even though both will be meeting in Normandy on Friday.”
[.]Russian equities ignored the sanction threats today. The Market Vectors Russia (RSX) exchange traded fund settled 0.72% higher at $25.84 per share.[.]
On the heels of the monster $400 billion 30-year gas deal, now on the table is a
“Second natural gas pipeline to link Russia, China
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/business/2014-06/06/content_17567979.htm
AND 2 must read articles posted at counterpunch.org
Tightening the U.S. Grip on Western Europe
Washington’s Iron Curtain in Ukraine
http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/06/06/washingtons-iron-curtain-in-ukraine/
“NATO leaders are currently acting out a deliberate charade in Europe, designed to reconstruct an Iron Curtain between Russia and the West.”
“The Enemy Within”
Beware of Kicking the Dragon and Bear!http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/06/06/beware-of-kicking-dragon-and-bear/
Nuggets:
“It is not prudent and it is not safe to stick an iron rod into a dragon’s mouth. Whatever they say in the West about dragons… but here in Asia, the dragon is revered as the greatest fabled creature on Earth and in the sky. The dragon is wise and patient, and it hardly ever uses force first.[.]
It is also thoroughly idiotic to go and start terrorizing a sleeping bear. It is obvious what would follow if one descended into a bear’s hole and then started poking a hibernating creature in the head. Nothing good would follow, nothing good at all.
But it appears that those who are ruling the Empire are not obsessed with prudence. They seem to be tired of tiny conflicts, [.]
The Empire needs a mortal fight with mighty opponents.
Instead of helping to build a decent and peaceful world, it needs to cover our planet with innumerable corpses.
This time, if it will be allowed to do it, like it was some 70 years ago, tens of millions, and maybe many more, will vanish.
Once again, it would have to be a dragon and a bear, this time in unison, facing fascism and fighting for the survival of the world.”[.]
Imho, the 21st Century belongs to the BRIICS = Brazil, Russia, India Iran, China and South Africa.
Final link: BRICS News in Beijing on Friday, June 6, the Chinese President met Nikolai Patrushev, secretary of Russia’s Security CouncilRussia, China to jointly “tackle Threats”http://thebricspost.com/russia-china-to-jointly-tackle-threats/
Chill. In 3 months Mr. Winter arrives
Anon Mongoose
Hi Saker! I still think that the best is for Russia to stay out but I am aware that this at the end will be impossible and people from East/South do not deserve this. Ukraine is bankrupt they (Ukraine and the anglo-nazionists) want to blame some/anybody best shot (for them) is Russia of course. My impression still is that this Ukrainian experiment will collapse just wait and see.
Where’s Putin? someone asked on REnse.com. Good Question. The Paper Tiger must be in his den.
But will fighr, must fight,wll be forced to fighth after being cornered as any rat will fighr back is such a situation. The relentless forces of Evil Empire will make him fight. The Full Spectrum Dominance and Drang nacht Osten will never stop. So, Mr. Putin you only postponing your fait. You won’t play your small politics, your’re not a leader of the world. You’re a regional “power” as Barky told correctly.
“You have a long history as Swedes that you can not deny, Swedish culture and Swedish traditions.”
▶ Complete nonsense.
I trust that Ukrainians won’t be as stupid about the training of their nuclear physicists and public servants as we’ve been.
I can’t imagine another nation as stupid in this area
Best wishes
Anonymous in Finland
The next step is the signing of free trade section of the association agreement between the Ukraine and EU. If and when that happens Russia will apply tariffs on Ukrainian imports. The Ukrainian economy will continue to sink.
“In case you still don’t get it, imagine a situation where welsh were compulsory for all university students in the UK.”
I am using strong language.
You fucking bastard. Ukraine was nothing before 1919. there was none u degenerate. and your analogy is no analogy at all, u fucking troll. U fucking Swedish who was ” so called neutral during WWII. U fucking monarchist. U fucking brain dead.
You fucking swedish who was not so long ago ” fucking so called neutral but nothing but a US bitch” and you dare to compare your fucking neo Nazi swedish and fiinish to russian asshole ignorant fool. Fucking Sweden is a nonenity if this World chess, a mere pawn at most To mighty King Russia and russians. You ignorant whore.. Do not utter a word further. Bloody idiot
I think everyone is way, way underestimating Putin. Way underestimating.
““He [the president-elect] has a plan in this respect; it is up to him to say what kind of plan it is… he told me a couple of words about it,” the Russian leader said. “But it’s one thing to say it here in France and quite another thing to state that in his own country.”
Putin already knew the text of the inauguration address. Poroshenko should be very worried. He doesn’t know who his friends are.