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The Saker
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Return of the Magyars: Hungary’s President Calls Out the US as Morally and Financially Bankrupt
by American Kulak
With so many developments in Ukraine and now a renewed US war on Syria with the Islamic State as the pretext, it has been easy to overlook important developments in the struggle to restore sovereign nations in Europe. As described in my last guest post here at the Vineyard, Scottish independence vote on Thursday, September 18 has forced Anglo-American mainstream media to cover the topic of ‘separatism’ as a wave spreading from the Scottish Highlands to Spain’s Catalonia. Many mainstream media outlets have repeated ridiculous propaganda about NATO or the EU coming apart and the economic sky falling from a Scottish ‘Yes’ vote (James Bond film reference deliberate in that sentence). Some of the usual Russophobic voices have started whining about ‘pro-Kremlin bloggers’ trolling Washington and London on Twitter with humorous captions supporting Scotland’s independence [https://twitter.com/torrek_info/status/509325448338472960], or the positive statements Scottish National Party leader Alex Salmond has made about Vladimir Putin. [http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/apr/30/alex-salmond-vladimir-putin-remarks]
A Short Disclaimer Regarding Hungary
Today’s topic is the next target for the Empire’s Two Minutes Hate propaganda in Europe (besides Marie Le Pen and the National Front of France): the ancient nation of Hungary and her proud president, Viktor Orban. Let me start by saying that as an American citizen and independent blogger, I have no financial or blood ties to Hungary, nor is my intent to defend all of Budapest’s policies. My purpose in this post is to examine why the Empire increasingly views the Hungarian government with disdain and has sent out its usual NGO and media mouthpieces to trash President Viktor Orban personally and attack his ‘Putinist’ pro-Russian worldview. In doing so I approach this post from the perspective of someone who is a neophyte to Hungarian politics, but not to the overall games the European Union plays to keep its member nations as vassals to what Saker calls the ‘Anglo-Zionist’ Empire.
Why is Budapest Emerging as a Key Russian Ally Within the European Union?
A Millennium of Hungarian History and Its Relevance to Novorossiya
The Hungarians, for those Saker readers who may not be familiar with their history, are descended from the same great migrations out of central Asia in the first millennium AD as the Bulgars, with Russian scholars believing the Magyars came out of a southern Urals homeland east of the Volga steppe. Driven by ancient enemies known as the Pechenegs who alternated between warring with the Orthodox Christian Eastern Roman Empire and serving as mercenaries of Byzantium, the Hungarians settled in the Danube River and Carpathian basins. Their language, like that of the Finns, is non-Indo European and easily exceeds Finnish and Basque as the most widely spoken non-Indo-European language on the European continent. Only a few decades after Prince Vladimir baptized the Kievan Rus in 987, the first Christian monarch of the Magyars Saint Stephen I converted the traditional seven Hungarian tribes to Christianity in the early 10th century. Under Stephen’s successful reign prior to the Great Schism of 1054 between Rome and Constantinople, Hungary prospered as the major trading route between the Germanic Holy Roman Empire and the Byzantines. Stephen’s younger sister married a Venetian prince who at that time was a key ally of Byzantium, while Stephen’s wife was a Bavarian princess. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_I_of_Hungary]
The historic parallels between Hungary and Rus did not stop with Stephen and the Second Rome, but continued in the 13th century. During those turbulent decades the Mongol Tartars, who subjugated nearly all of Russia, were turned back by Hungarian knights and their Holy Roman Empire allies. Unfortunately, wars in the following two centuries with the Poles and German kingdoms and dynastic struggles weakened the Hungarians, until they succumbed to the Ottoman Turkish advances and were forced into alliance with the Catholic Hapsburgs. This also led to the counter-reformation in the Hungarian lands, with negative consequences for Protestants and Orthodox Christians alike. In 1686 after the Turks decisive defeat by the Polish-led armies at the Battle of Vienna the future Hungarian capital of Buda was liberated from the Ottoman yoke, and the last Ottoman raid from Crimea into Hungary was recorded in 1717. After the 1708 Battle of Trenscen the Hungarians were fully absorbed into the Papist Hapsburg Empire which became known as Austro-Hungary. During World War I the Hungarians suffered huge casualties fighting the Serbs and Russians on behalf of their Hapsburg emperor.
After WWI the key document many Hungarian nationalists to this day regard with bitterness, the Treaty of Trianon [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Trianon], was signed in 1920 which cost Hungary 71% of its territory and 66% of its pre-war population — an even more punitive outcome than the Allied diktats imposed on the Germans in the punitive Treaty of Versailles produced by the same victors. This lost territory included the TransCarpathian region which is today in far southwestern Ukraine, where the Hapsburgs had kept thousands of ethnic Rusyns in concentration camps for returning to Orthodox Christianity or refusing to convert to Papism during the First World War. It is from this territory that ethnic Rusyn and ethnic Hungarian community leaders have issued a joint statement in both languages about their desire to achieve the full autonomy within Ukraine they were promised in 1991 and denied since then by Kiev. In the same early August statement viewable with English subtitles on the Anti-Maidan YouTube channel, the Hungarian and Russian-speaking Rusyn leaders denounced Kiev’s war against Novorossiya and mentioned Rusyn/Hungarian solidarity based on a 1,000 years of peaceful coexistence. This statement was carried on Hungarian television and is viewable here: [http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e14_1408064269]. More background on the Rusyns undergoing Hapsburg and other persecutions from a pro-Rusyn/Russian perspective can be found here: [http://02varvara.wordpress.com/tag/rusyn/].
It’s no accident, that on the heavily Empire-manipulated platform of Wikipedia, the Rusyns are covered under ‘Peoples of Ukraine’ despite the fact that they are spread across borders with Poland, Slovakia and Hungary, and that the Rusyn autonomy or separatist movement dating back to 1991 is dismissed as a Kremlin project [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rusyns#Trans-Carpathian_separatist_movement]. In short, regardless of Hungary’s willingness to sell the Kiev regime hundreds of T-72 battle tanks to replace catastrophic Ukrainian losses of armor in recent months, Kiev views Hungarian nationalism with suspicion. The Ukrainian ultra-nationalists and Galicia Nazis (correctly in my opinion) suspect alongside their Anglo-American globalist patrons that if Ukraine completely implodes Trans-Carpathia could secede like Novorossiya, but with Hungarian rather than Russian sponsorship.
The worst nightmare of the Kiev junta is not only losing Kharkov, Zaporozhe and Odessa regions to Novorossiya, but facing a simultaneous NAF and Russian-allied uprising in the guerrilla-friendly Carpathians backed by Hungarian guns and fighters. Even a peaceful, anti-war and anti-oligarchic Hungarian/Rusyn Maidan would have to be crushed by the Kiev Nazis using brutal methods Washington and Brussels would have trouble excusing or imposing a news blackout over.
One other point is relevant to the paragraph above. Under the notorious 1938 Munich agreement between Nazi Germany and her allies and the Western powers, Hungary made territorial gains at the expense of Czechoslovakia, which was completely carved up between Nazi Germany, Hungary, the pro-Nazi Slovak regime of the time, and the sainted ‘Christ between two thieves’ Poles. This included Carpatho-Ruthenia, which became western Ukraine after the War. The Nazis cultivated the fascist Arrow Cross Party as allies, and had no interest in any maintaining Czech-granted autonomy for any Russophilic peoples as they plotted to invade the Soviet Union. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZALmLkFmAF8&src_vid=biy1mH8o8_M&feature=iv&annotation_id=annotation_105606].
The Hungarians participated in Operation Barbarossa and fought alongside their uneasy Romanian and German allies until the Soviets smashed the Axis lines near Stalingrad in November 1942. The Hungarians like the Bulgarians sought to switch sides as soon as it was obvious Nazi Germany was doomed in mid-1943 but a fascist puppet regime was installed to keep Hungary in the war. The Arrow Cross Nazi puppet state collapsed under Red Army guns in early 1945. In October and November of 1956 a Hungarian uprising against the Soviets was crushed by Red Army tanks sent by Nikita Khrushchev. This uprising had been inspired by broadcasts into Hungary by Radio Free Europe, but the Eisenhower Administration did very little to help the Hungarian freedom fighters besides raise token protests. Washington notably refused to cancel US grain shipments to the Soviet Union at that time and hosted Khrushchev (as pointed out in a recent column by Patrick J. Buchanan) within months of the Soviets killing thousands of Hungarians. The anniversary of the October 23rd uprising became a national holiday in 1989 when Communist regimes across the Warsaw Pact collapsed. Among the young Hungarian activists celebrating their country’s return to the West was a then 26-year-old co-founder of the Hungarian Alliance of Young Democrats, Viktor Orban. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fidesz]
Why President Viktor Orban is Viewed as a Traitor to the Atlanticists and the Empire
James S. Denton is listed as the publisher and editor of World Affairs on his bio. World Affairs is the magazine of Freedom House, one of the many taxpayer-funded NGOs that has been in the business of regime change in Eastern Europe and Eurasia since the CIA and State Department decided to ‘outsource’ these propaganda functions during the mid-1980s. Interestingly enough, despite Hungarian President Viktor Orban’s alleged turn towards ‘Putinism’ Mr. Denton still lists himself as a former adviser to then Prime Minister Viktor Orban of Hungary here: [http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/staff-bios]. Presumably Denton was an advisor to Orban in 1998 when the democratic, anti-Communist reformer became the second youngest Prime Minister in Hungarian history. With a generally positive world economy during the years from 1998 to 2002 Orban’s government was able to cut taxes, abolish university tuition for qualified students, and expand maternity benefits, while attracting German industry with low-cost Hungarian labor. Most importantly to the Empire, in 1999 Hungary joined NATO along with Poland and the Czech Republic over Russia’s objections. That same year Hungary was forced to participate in the war against the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia by participating in a trade embargo against Belgrade.
In recognition of Orban’s loyal efforts on behalf of NATO in 2002 he was awarded the neoconservative American Enterprise Institute’s Freedom Award and awards from the ‘New Atlantic Initiative’ and Germany’s ‘Förderpreis Soziale Marktwirtschaft’. Orban was clearly accepted by the trans-Atlantic elites. But everything started to change in 2010 when his Fidesz returned to power after six years in opposition. Suddenly Orban’s party had a two thirds majority, enough to change the Hungarian constitution, and Orban became a ‘European Hugo Chavez’ in the words of the German Green party politician Daniel Cohn-Bendit — ironically, a former 1968 radical whose younger self would’ve appreciated Red Chavismo. This started a wave of propaganda against the Hungarian government alleging that it was crushing the opposition, restricting a free press, in short demonizing Fidesz as the Hungarian version of United Russia and Orban as the Hungarian Putin.
To be fair, Orban did not take the German and Anglo-American/Atlanticist criticism lying down. He denounced German TV propaganda against Hungary, reminding Merkel about Nazi occupation of his country during WWII, and refused to back off the anti-EU rhetoric he had cleverly promoted since at least 2006. Orban’s critics doubled down on their shrill rhetoric accusing him of destroying democracy and minority rights in Hungary, signing sweetheart nuclear energy and gas deals with Russia, and pandering to the ultra-nationalist if not fascist Jobbik party which has won 20% of the vote and made anti-Jewish statements. The same Jobbik party the Empire’s propaganda shills like Jamie Kirchick of the neocon propaganda-staffel ‘Foundation for the Defense of Democracies’ alleges is part of a vast Putinist conspiracy to bring right wing parties to power across Europe using covert Kremlin cash. [http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/168942/why-hungarys-jobbik-party-won-while-it-lost]
Orban’s ‘Infamous’ ‘Illiberal’ Speech of July 26, 2014 and Why the Empire (Correctly) Sees It as Treason Against the ‘New World Order’
Which brings us to the present controversies — not only over Orban’s stubborn refusal together with the Austrians to support more sanctions against Russia over Ukraine, but above all over Orban’s speech this summer denouncing the USA’s dominance of Europe and the EU’s subservience to a declining American Empire. To the Atlanticist elites who had long condemned Orban as an aspiring dictator — the ‘Mussolini of Hungary’ as the shriveling circulation Newsweek dubbed him — Orban had declared war on democracy. [http://www.newsweek.com/hungarys-mussolini-vows-make-eu-member-illiberal-state-262127]
For Charles Gati, a Senior Research Professor of European and Eurasian Studies at Johns Hopkins University [http://www.sais-jhu.edu/charles-gati], the sense of betrayal was personal: Orban had been one of his brightest young students in the heady days after the fall of Communism in Hungary. For Orban to describe the United States as a malign cultural and economic influence on Europe was a slap to the face to Gati and others like Freedom House’s James S. Denton who had groomed Orban to be a reliable satrap of benevolent US hegemony. Gati’s op-ed for the same AEI that had once given Orban its Freedom Award was titled, “Putin’s Mini-Me: The Mask is Off”. [http://www.the-american-interest.com/articles/2014/08/07/the-mask-is-off/] In his American Interest piece Gati quotes Orbán telling a room in Washington back in 1998: “whatever I know about contemporary politics and history I’ve learned from Professor Gati.” Gati accused his former pupil of issuing an “incoherent” rant against the USA that made no sense in the original Hungarian or when translated into English, full of anti-American “clichés”. Nearly all Western media outlets that covered Orban’s speech delivered to a group of peaceful Hungarian nationalists at a ‘right-wing’ youth summer camp in late July concurred. No one apparently wanted to quote the speech or take it seriously as a patriotic cry from the heart against the decadence and decline of the Western civilization Orban had embraced as a young man.
The Essence of ‘Orbanism’ — Disillusionment with the West and the Search for a Eurasian Future
So, what exactly did Orban say in Kotscse near Lake Balaton, that was so shocking the press-titutes were terrified to quote it at any length? Here are the most important excerpts, in my opinion, as translated by The Budapest Beacon and preserved here: [http://hungarianspectrum.wordpress.com/2014/07/31/viktor-orbans-speech-at-the-xxv-balvanyos-free-summer-university-and-youth-camp-july-26-2014-baile-tusnad-tusnadfurdo/]. Orban starts by referring to the defining moment of Hungarian politics, the change or Die Wende of 1989, saying for too long Hungarians have clung to the recent past rather than addressed the 21st century future:
My speech today is not connected to the elections. Our acting president introduced us as regime changers, and did it by recalling the regime change. This represents well that for our generation the regime change is the generational experience to which we compare everything, against which we measure everything, from where we start to define everything that happens around us. It seems natural, although it is rather a disadvantage for us, not an advantage.
As speeches go, this is hardly controversial stuff. But what follows is what has angered Washington’s propagandists of unshakable Western hegemony and unending Anglo-American dominance:
I would suggest to shortly remind ourselves that in the 20th Century there have been three major world-regime changes. At the end of World War I, at the end of World War II, and in 1990. The common points in these were – I might have mentioned this here once – that when the changes manifested it was clear for all of us that we are going to live in a different world overnight. Let’s say it was very clear here after Trianon [the previously mentioned Hungarian ‘Versailles diktat’ of 1920 that cut off Budapest from ancient lands – AK], just as it was in Budapest after World War II as well. If the people looked around and saw the invading Soviet troops they knew that a new world was about to begin. In ’90 when we succeeded in breaking and displacing the communists, it was clear after the first parliamentary elections that a new world had arrived for us: the wall in Berlin collapsed, elections were held and this is another future.
Now I must quote Orban at length, for he gets to the essence of his statement — ‘the West’ as a unitary entity led by the USA with a [soon to be Scotland-less] United Kingdom sidekick looks washed up, and it’s Davos-attending Western politicians and tycoons themselves who are saying so. Orban also — shock, horror — dismisses the so-called ‘economic recovery’ in the United States since 2008 as the middle class destroying, Federal Reserve-pumped up and fake stats fraud that it is:
The statement intended to be the basic point of my talk here is that the changes in the world nowadays have the similar value and weight. We can identify its manifestation – that point when it became clear – as the financial crisis of 2008 or rather the Western financial crisis. And the importance of this change is less obvious because people sense it in a different way as the previous three. It was unclear in 2008 during the huge Western financial collapse that we are going to live in a different world from now on. The shift is not that sharp as in the case of the three previous world regime changes and it somehow slowly resolved in our minds, as the fog sets on the land. If we look around and analyze the things happening around us, for six years this has been a different world from the one we lived in. And if we project the processes for the future – which always has a risk – it is a reasonable intellectual exercise, and we see well that the changes will only have a bigger impact.
Well, Honorable Ladies and Gentlemen, for the sake of illustrating the deepness of this change, without any particular order, I assembled a few sentences, ideas from the Western World, as well as one or two from the Eastern World, too, that are stunning. If we assessed them through the lens of the pre-2008 liberal worldview, we would be shocked. Yet if we do not view it that way but understand from these sentences how long a way we have gone in terms of public speech, topics and their articulations in these last six years, then these sentences to be quoted will help us understand how profound the change is that is taking place in the world today.
Very briefly: In America, the President of the US has made numerous and repeated statements regarding how America has been engulfed by cynicism, and the task for American society and the American government is to declare war on cynicism originating from the financial sector. Before 2008, such a statement would have resulted in exclusion from gentlemanlike international discourse, additionally because of the characteristics of the financial system, it would probably have even been tainted with as being sinister, making any utterance of such sentences extremely perilous. Contrary to this, these ideas constantly appear in the American press as of late. The US president says that if a hardworking American constantly has to choose between career and family, that America will lose its place in the world economy. Or the President openly speaks about economic patriotism. He [Obama] says such sentences that would still earn beating and stoning in today’s provincial Hungarian public life. For example, he openly speaks about how companies employing foreigners should pay their fair share in taxes. Or he openly speaks about how companies employing Americans should be supported before anyone else. These are all voices, ideas and sentences that would have been unimaginable six or eight years earlier.
To proceed further, according to a well-recognized analyst, the strength of American “soft power” is deteriorating, because liberal values today incorporate corruption, sex and violence and with this liberal values discredit America and American modernization [This is the so-called ‘cliche’ that Gati found so intolerable, which appears self-evident to the Kulak and millions of other Christian and traditionalist Americans – AK]. Also, the Open Society Foundation [funded by George Soros – AK] published a study not long ago analyzing Western Europe. In this, we could read a sentence which says that Western Europe was so preoccupied with solving the situation of immigrants that it forgot about white working class. Or the British prime minister said that as a consequence of the changes happening in Europe, many became freeloaders on the back of the welfare systems. One of the richest Americans, who was one of the first investors in the company Amazon stated that we are living in a society that is less and less capitalist and more and more feudal, and if the economic system does not reform itself then middle class will disappear, and, as he puts it, “the rich will be attacked by pitchforks”. Therefore, he [Orban is referring to the German-born Amazon.com billionaire investor Nick Hanauer’s article published in Politico here: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/06/the-pitchforks-are-coming-for-us-plutocrats-108014.html#.VBJjGfldV8E -AK] thinks a middle-up economic model is needed instead of a top-down model. It is not my intention to interpret these sentences, simply to cite them here in order to show the novelty of these ideas that were impossible to talk about only six years ago.
Or, similarly from America, the number of unemployed youth has drastically risen [Mr. Orban clearly doesn’t buy the ‘cooked’ US unemployment numbers contrasted with the real 16-20% unemployment figures compiled by John Williams published at ShadowStats.com – AK], and in the case of the most promising career options, children from families with affluent families receive a far greater advantage – this is said in the homeland of social mobility [a reference by Orban, perhaps, to the millions of Hungarians who emigrated to the USA prior to and after WWII – AK]. Or to cite something else: another respected analyst said that the internet, understood by the liberal world as the greatest symbol of freedom for many long years, is being colonized by big corporations. His statement suggests that the big question is whether great capitalist companies, meaning international corporations, would be successful in doing away with the neutrality of the internet. Going forward, to quote a development that is both dear and unexpected for us, the English prime minister, who awkwardly avoids his party being identified as Christian Democratic, stands up in before the public stating that Christianity is a core principle of British values, and despite multiculturalism, Great Britain is a Christian country in heart, and this is a fact to be proud of.
Besides suggesting the USA is a power in cultural and economic decline, Orban added blasphemy to heresy by suggesting Hungary could learn much from the rising BRIC nations, plus the Hungarians old Ottoman overlords the Turks who have modernized their economy under the authoritarian and double-dealing (between Iran, Russia, and China on one side and NATO and the Sunni Persian Gulf states on the other) Recep Tayyip Erdogan:
Everyone was only talking about competition in the world economy. Globalization on the international scale made it necessary to do a lot of talking, writing and analysis about it, and this phenomenon is known in details. We can more or less know why a major economic interest group, for example the European Union, is competitive, or why it is losing its competitiveness. However, according to many, and I belong to them, today this is not the principal question. It remains an important question. As long as people live off money and economy, this will remain an important question. Yet there is an even more important race. I would articulate this as a race to invent a state that is most capable of making a nation successful. As the state is nothing else but a method of organizing a community, a community that in our case sometimes coincides with our country’s borders, sometimes not, but I will get back to that, the defining aspect of today’s world can be articulated as a race to figure out a way of organizing communities, a state that is most capable of making a nation competitive. This is why, Honorable Ladies and Gentlemen a trending topic in thinking is understanding systems that are not Western, not liberal, not liberal democracies, maybe not even democracies, and yet making nations successful. Today, the stars of international analyses are Singapore, China, India, Turkey, Russia. And I believe that our political community rightly anticipated this challenge, and if we think back on what we did in the last four years, and what we are going to do in the following four years, than it really can be interpreted from this angle. We are searching for and we are doing our best to find – parting ways with Western European dogmas, making ourselves independent from them – the form of organizing a community, that is capable of making us competitive in this great world-race.
By great world race and dismissing mere economic competition as the only deciding factor of the 21st century, Orban was hinting strongly that the first duty of any Hungarian government is the preservation of the Hungarian peoples, wherever they may live. Because some Jobbik members who may indeed be fascists speak this way, as do the Ukrainian Nazis who imagine the Cossacks of Rostov or Krasnodar oblasts don’t realize that they are Ukrainians, it’s easy to label such ideas ‘fascist’. But Hungary, as many observers of its demographics have pointed out, is a nation experiencing or facing severe graying and population decline.
Clearly when Orban says ‘competitive in this great world-race’ he means preserving the Hungarians as a people rather than seeing them slowly replaced by peoples from the Middle East [North Africa, the Levant and Turkish Kurdistan all seem primed for population explosions and lengthy unrest in the years to come- AK] or elsewhere during this century. Just in case there was any confusion about what Orban meant, his reference to the ‘white working class’ of Great Britain should make it clear: the purpose of a sovereign nation is the health and long-term well-being of the majority population of that nation, not globalist ‘values’ or economic growth divorced from human needs. While I am personally not a fan of Alexandr Dugin, one most acknowledge this is much closer to Duginism and Eurasianism than Orban’s old Atlanticist, pro-EU positions. Orban’s use of the phrase ‘non-liberal state’ is in fact, almost pure Duginism, perhaps taken straight from the pages of Dugin’s book The 4th Political Theory by an Orban speechwriter. In the book, Dugin contends that after three centuries liberalism dating to the acts of tolerance that ended Europe’s bloody 30 Years Wars and restored the British crown after Cromwell’s revolt, liberalism has exhausted itself. [You can watch English subtitles of Dugin summarizing his book in less than ten minutes, and describing how many European languages it has been translated into here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QrnJKf-hhE]
Orban Vows to Resist the Empire’s Colored Revolution and ‘NGO-istan’ Tactics
Consequently, what is happening today in Hungary can interpreted as an attempt of the respective political leadership to harmonize relationship between the interests and achievement of individuals – that needs to be acknowledged – with interests and achievements of the community, and the nation. Meaning, that Hungarian nation is not a simple sum of individuals, but a community that needs to be organized, strengthened and developed, and in this sense, the new state that we are building is an illiberal state, a non-liberal state. It does not deny foundational values of liberalism, as freedom, etc.. But it does not make this ideology a central element of state organization but applies a specific, national, particular approach in its stead.
Is Orban a Eurasianist?
Like Dugin, like Igor Strelkov, and like Vladimir Putin, Orban calls out a fifth column in his country. These are, of course, the same Rockefeller and Fortune 500 funded foundations, think tanks, and NGOs that cultivated Central European politicans like… former AEI employee and husband to the Washington Post’s Anne Applebaum Radek Sikorski. [http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/22/poland-foreign-minister-alliance-us-worthless] And former Czech Prime Minister Vaclav Klaus, who has called the EU the 4th Reich (German Continental economic dominance under Washington’s tutelage [http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/cyprus/9948545/Southern-Europe-lies-prostrate-before-the-German-imperium.html]) and compared Brussels bureaucrats to their Soviet predecessors [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8289920.stm]. And of course, the AEI and Johns Hopkins ‘educated’ Viktor Orban, who now defies the EU.
Whereas Sikorski was caught on tape bitterly telling a fellow Polish politician when he thought no one was listening that Poland has sexually serviced the US and received nothing in return; Orban has turned on his former handlers and now calls them out for what they are — foreign agents of influence and globalist occupiers of his country:
Now, Hungarian NGO landscape shows a very particular image. Ideally a civil politician as opposed to professional is an individual who is organizing bottom-up, financially independent and the nature of his work is voluntary. If we look at civil organizations in Hungary, the one that appears before public, now debates around the Norwegian Fund brought this on the surface, then what I will see is that we have to deal with paid political activists here. And these political activists are moreover political activists paid by foreigners. Activists paid by definite political circles of interest. It is hard to imagine that these circles have a social agenda. It is more likely that they would like to exercise influence through this system of instruments on Hungarian public life. It is vital, therefore, that if we would like to reorganize our nation state instead of the liberal state, that we should make it clear, that these are not civilians coming against us, opposing us, but political activists attempting to promote foreign interests. Therefore it is very apt that a committee was being formed in the Hungarian parliament that deals with constant monitoring, recording and publishing foreign attempts to gain influence, so that all of us here, you as well will be aware of who are the characters behind the masks.
Since this piece has been exceptionally lengthy even by the Vineyard’s standards, I will leave the Saker and his readers with Orban’s conclusion for his compatriots who happen to live outside Hungary’s present borders — in what is a clear message to Kiev, Bucharest and ultimately Washington that national identity won’t be crushed under EUro-globalism:
Now the only question that remains, honorable ladies and gentlemen, and it is a question that I am not entitled to answer, that in times like this, when anything could happen, should we be afraid, or should we instead be hopeful? Because the present order of the world is not exactly to our taste, that this future, although it is uncertain, it could even cause huge trouble, it also holds opportunities and developments for our Hungarian nation. So instead of seclusion, fear and withdrawal I recommend courage, prospective thinking, rational, but brave action to the Hungarian communities in the Carpathian basin [the old Rusyn lands – AK] but also throughout the world. As anything can happen, it can easily happen that our time will come. Thank you for your honorific attention.
Thank you again Saker for posting this essay, and American Kulak for composing it. I have been reflecting and considering the issues presented herein, and there is much to agree with in Orban’s speech, but also much with which I disagree. So this morning, Sunday, I’d like to add to what I’ve already said above, but please remember that on the subject of increasing oligarchical domination we are in agreement.
In my earlier comment at 14-8:04, I touched on the concept of majority rule, which as it is presented here sounds very much like discrimination against minority groups – I was hoping this was too harsh an assessment, but I haven’t yet seen an argument correcting this impression.
Perhaps it would be helpful if I first comment on the statement by David Chu at 14- 12:32:
“I didn’t read this very lengthy article, but to call the United States ‘morally bankrupt’ assumes they had any morals in the first place!”
The comment is perhaps humorously presented, but it seems to be in line with Mr. Orban’s speech, which has disquieting elements.
Mr. Orban seems to be claiming that politicians, even Obama, have since the financial crisis in 2008 begun to say enlightened things reflecting the appreciation of a new world order about to emerge on the scene.
“… the novelty of these ideas that were impossible to talk about only six years ago…”
Fine, we would all like to see this, but I submit that the world order he seems to prefer looks very like that which fundamentalist Christians in the United States were hoping for when they allied themselves with the George W. Bush administration fervently believing that helping Israel become dominant in the Middle East would eventually bring about the Rapture – in other words, religion and statehood becoming fused in that new world order, with Christianity being the dominant religion.
Hence my unease.
For, I would answer Mr. Chu, and I think President Putin would as well, that a very moral message from the founding fathers of the United States, which many citizens still very much believe in, is the ‘fundamental’ separation of Church and State. And this too, paradoxically is the Christian message as well.
“Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesars,” plus Christ’s encounter with Satan in the desert after his baptism are precepts which align with this state doctrine, and which I find admirable and even moral conditions with which man may cohabit the earth with man without falling into the trap of intolerance.
“My kingdom is not of this earth” has meaning for me as an Orthodox Christian, even while in my heart I agree with Saker that Orthodoxy is the most beautiful of all the faiths – as each of a different faith, or even no faith,must say in his own heart, a mystery which I cannot become a judge about, nor discriminate openly against.
So, American Kulak, my heart does not rejoice when the English prime minister tells his diverse population that Great Britain is a Christian country at heart, because it is really only perhaps a majority of the British who feel they are Christian, and such a statement does not behoove a political figure. A minister of the Church in England may say such a thing; not a political figure. He may indeed profess his faith as a private individual; Kennedy did that; but not as a political figure.
That is the moral stance of the ordinary United States citizen, one of which I am still very proud to be. And as such, I say with all my Russian Orthodox heart:
“This is the day which the Lord has made;
Let us rejoice in it and be glad!”
There is more to Orban’s speech:
“You shall not do to others what you would not others do to yourself”
This is ancient wisdom, it is called the Golden Rule. It is all about compassion, as the fundamental principle of social and interpersonal life. Far from the divide to rule law of Descartes”divide into ever increasing smaller parts and control them” which Locke and his ilk took for principles of liberallism.
This principle apparently came from the Hyperboreans, from which the Indu, Scythian, Asian, Hyttites and Aryan cultures were derived, including the Celts, who were finally destroyed by the Anglo Saxon invasion and Hastings, 1066.
Seems that the Eurasian roots are returning to the fore. Myths might be repressed, coopted, but as the Russian historographer that Duginqultes, Pitirim Sorokin, they always have their returning time!!!!!!!!!
Cheers,
Patagonian
There is more to Orban’s speech:
“You shall not do to others what you would not others do to yourself”
This is ancient wisdom, it is called the Golden Rule. It is all about compassion, as the fundamental principle of social and interpersonal life. Far from the divide to rule law of Descartes”divide into ever increasing smaller parts and control them” which Locke and his ilk took for principles of liberallism.
This principle apparently came from the Hyperboreans, from which the Indu, Scythian, Asian, Hyttites and Aryan cultures were derived, including the Celts, who were finally destroyed by the Anglo Saxon invasion and Hastings, 1066.
Seems that the Eurasian roots are returning to the fore. Myths might be repressed, coopted, but as the Russian historographer that Duginqultes, Pitirim Sorokin, they always have their returning time!!!!!!!!!
Cheers,
Patagonian
There is more to Orban’s speech:
“You shall not do to others what you would not others do to yourself”
This is ancient wisdom, it is called the Golden Rule. It is all about compassion, as the fundamental principle of social and interpersonal life. Far from the divide to rule law of Descartes”divide into ever increasing smaller parts and control them” which Locke and his ilk took for principles of liberallism.
This principle apparently came from the Hyperboreans, from which the Indu, Scythian, Asian, Hyttites and Aryan cultures were derived, including the Celts, who were finally destroyed by the Anglo Saxon invasion and Hastings, 1066.
Seems that the Eurasian roots are returning to the fore. Myths might be repressed, coopted, but as the Russian historographer that Duginqultes, Pitirim Sorokin, they always have their returning time!!!!!!!!!
Cheers,
Patagonian
Anon about el-Murid,
And do you believe any of that? You think that Moscow oligarchs haven’t wanted deals with Ukrainian ones all along? And those who have been fighting Putin are probably still fighting him. What’s new?
Truth is the first casualty of war.
Breaking news :
“Cameron hails David Haines as ‘British hero’ and vows to hunt down killers”.
So now Cameron has the “excuse” he has been champing at the bits for, in an identical “beheading” of another westerner posted on youtube the west now has an excuse to have another crack at Dr. Bashar-al-Assads government.
You know, the more I think about events that have unfolded since last November, with the Maidan and subsequent putsch of the democratically elected Yanukovich government to be replaced by a bunch of fascist freaks, the more convinced I become that it was all a carefully orchestrated American plot to keep president Putin and Moscow too occupied to be able to pay much attention less intervene in any meaningful way in what they had planned for Syria, which we now see unfolding.
With president Putins hands full with the crazies that have taken over Kiev and the problem of Ukraine the “exceptionals” probably think they will have a free hand to get up to whatever they feel like in Syria.
I am more and more inclined to think that this was the intention behind the Ukraine putsch all along.
@mundanomaniac
I think you are misunderstanding my point. Yes, the accumulated wealth is preserved within “families” even to the point of incest with no regard for its often really horrible consequences to the offspring resulting in physical & mental disfiguration. But, that’s not the kind of family I am talking about. Your tone implies the mafioso style family, whereas I am talking about the basic cell of society which is the most resistant to social destruction.
Similarly, criticizing only one nation in the West, Israel, can cost you dearly; all others are to be demonized beyond recognition if they stand in the way. Being a Serb, I definitely know what it looks like!
Thus, the zionazi tribe is denying to others what it holds dear & what keeps them strong; having a family is a heresy, as well as caring about the interests of your nation if it stands in their way.
@WizOz
Thanks a bunch for the clarifications. Bare in mind: globalists don’t mind any kind of extremeism as long as it’s directed against Russia & their other unconquered “enemies.”
@ American Kulak
(Thank you for your earlier kind words)
I would like to point to what I believe is the common denominator.
In the year of 2000 there were seven countries without a Rothschild owned Central Bank:
Afghanistan (Invaded by USA)
Iraq (Invaded by USA)
Sudan (Ongoing US interventions)
Libya (Destroyed by USA)
Cuba (Ongoing embargo by USA)
North Korea (Technically still at war with USA)
Iran (Heavily santioned by USA)
The only countries left in 2011 without a Central Bank owned by the Rothschild Family are:
Cuba
North Korea
Iran
Source
Already in 2011, Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán promised to serve justice on his socialist predecessors, who sold the nation’s people into unending debt slavery under the lash of the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and the terrorist state of Israel.
Those earlier administrations were riddled with Israelis in high places, to the fury of the masses, who finally elected Orbán’s Fidesz party in response.
The Hungarian Economic Ministry announced that it has, thanks to a “disciplined budget policy,” repaid on August 12, 2013, the remaining €2.2B owed to the IMF—well before the March 2014 due date.
Orbán declared: “Hungary enjoys the trust of investors,” by which is not meant the IMF, the Fed or any other tentacle of the Rothschild financial empire. Rather, he was referring to investors who produce something in Hungary for Hungarians and cause true economic growth.
Source
(I haven’t had to play with html in years, hope my links work, if not, google “countries without rothschild central banks”)
It should be readily apparent that the monetary system is purposely flawed/skewed to perpetuate the enslavement of the masses. They willfully go against God.
If you lend money to any of My people who are poor among you, you shall not be like a moneylender to him; you shall not charge him interest. (Exodus 22:25)
If he has exacted usury Or taken increase — Shall he then live? He shall not live! If he has done any of these abominations, He shall surely die; His blood shall be upon him. (Ezekiel 18:13)
So much for all these “Christian Nations.”
b4real
One of the top scientists of the Manhattan project
Was once interviewed and enquired whether he believed in the existence of ETs.
His emphatic answer was:
“Of course, the Hungarians!!!”
they have contributed enormously to XXth century best science.
Qatar financed the Libyan revolution and used the brotherhood as shock tropps to rally more tribes to overthrow someone they did not like. They also used the brotherhood in Syria and moved weapons from Libya to Syria to arm and finance them..
Saudi Arabia is scared of the brotherhood and paid a HUGE bounty to get rid of their leaders in Egypt and ban them. Becuase they are a muslim political party that uses the population as their base its a direct threat to the saudi monarchy. So imagine my surprise when I heard that the US, Saudi Arabia and Qatar will be working together in Syria..
Well now we know who the US will go after first.. Any guesses? We already saw the US take out like 50 of the top leaders of other rebel groups..
Qatar expels Egypt Muslim Brotherhood leaders
Looks like the original syrian rebels financed and supported by Qatar are now the main target. They sure are not going to listen to the Saudi’s who kill and jail their members in Egypt, SA, UAE etc.. Seems Qatar has sold them out. They must be a real thorn in the side of the ISIS.. And what made Qatar sell them out after $10 bil and a country? The brotherhood might target Qatar now as well.
http://newsok.com/qatar-expels-egypt-muslim-brotherhood-leaders/article/feed/734736/?page=1
Thanks to Kulak for that well written and long effort.
I believe there is alot wrong with this post, though I have no time to make point-by-point arguments. Let me point out this sentence at the beginning:
“In doing so I approach this post from the perspective of someone who is a neophyte to Hungarian politics, but not to the overall games the European Union plays to keep its member nations as vassals to what Saker calls the ‘Anglo-Zionist’ Empire.”
and, also near the top:
“the ancient nation of Hungary and her proud president, Viktor Orban”
So the conclusion is in, and from a basis of ignorance and jimgoism no less.
Let me make a few general points to further this discussion:
1)
A huge part of the article recounts selected parts of hungarian history from a single perspective – romanians, serbs, croats, slovaks etc.. all have their interpretations of this history as well.
Remember – no piece of land, no territory in this area has ever been “ethnically pure” – so any claims of historical ownership always eventually end up in the twisting or denial of the history of “the other”
2)
just because two groups have a current common interest, does not imply any other similarity between them. This anti-EU bandwagon is a really convenient fig-leaf for Orban is a hardcore anti-socialist, he prefers workhouses to welfare. A kinda hungarian margaret thatcher. Those of you with obvious socialist feelings should be horrified by the Orban governments social policies.
This crisis in Ukraine is 1000% the product of hypernationalism and yet here we are on this website lauding another hyoernationalist government stoking the fires of ethnic hatred, playing the historical victim card and pushing to reclaim “ancient lands”. About the slovaks, romanians, serbs etc.. who have (also) always inhabited these lands – not so much said.
There is more (and more specific) to be argued, I reckon this is enough for now, thanks for your time!
BTW, so you know where my prejudices and blind spots lay – I am hungarian, anti-EU, anti-“Greater Hungary”, pro-socialism, pro-ethnic diversity, russophile. If there was one thing I could “fix” in this world it would be to raise the status of women to it’s rightful equal place with men. (i’m a dude, myself.)
History of Novorossia:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4TWNems0SU
Re-post per request of a Russian friend
Thanks for Hungarian for elliciting his black spots. We shall keep it in consideration. There is an issue of double talk double deed in many if not alll players, but for Putin. What is Orban’s simulacra and what is for real, it is unclear. One the one hand he sells t72 tanks to the Ukrs, on the other he states it
Anything can happen.
But his defiance to the AZs is to be gauged strategically, and his possible influencing a transcarpathiain insurrection as more than simple opportunism. After, he and Hungary areto survive in Middle Eastern Europe.:-)
Patagonian
@Dacian,
Dacian said: … etc. etc. …. instead promote the most Nazi, jingoistic nation in Europe killer of millions of native Europeans …. etc. etc.
Hi Dacian,
please do refrain from your hate speech.
What you write is the result of nationalistic indoctrination (even your name Dacian reveals this…);
the result of distorting history by Romanian nationalists, in order to demonize Hungarians.
Please keep this blog free from hatred between certain peoples of the so called Carpathian Basin.
I do not think it could serve anything positive in resolving or even understanding the Galician nationalist / (Novo)russian conflict.
best regards
a Hungarian pro-Russia and pro Novorussia
(I have been following this blog for a long time, but never posted anything till now.)
re my comment above, I neglected to point out that in August 2013, Hungary kicked the Rothschild central bank out. So there are now 4 countries that do not have a Rothschild central bank. Referring back to the actions against the other countries without Rothschild central banks, it is safe to say..”Hold on to your seats, its gonna be a bumpy ride”
b4real
a truly enlightening, fascinating post, a big thank you.
” Although I doubt the Austro-Hungrian Empire per se will come back, I can see a confederation of states.” – The term Austro-Hungarian Empire is not very accurate, because no such state existed. The Austrian Empire (Kaisertums Österreich) expired in 1867 and was replaced by a state called Austrian-Hungarian Monarchy, the word empire was dropped, and that short lived state existed from 1867 to 1918 and was the second largest and I believe perhaps second most populous European state (after Russia). Were Hungarians to restore monarchy in one form or the other, something they should do because the Kingdom of Hungary is an ancient institution that lasted from 1001 until 1946, the Soviet imposed republic is an aberration, the consequences for the transatlantic Fourth Reich would be enormous, and we then might see monarchies restored in a number of states, a development that would change the map and alter the character, or perhaps free those states from some bonds of vassalage to the Fourth Reich (or what Saker calls the Anglo-Zionist empire).
juliana,
Yes. In uncertain times I think there is a great tendency to romanticize the past, whether the always-part-mythic history of one’s own people, or the great leader, or the valiant resistance. Nothing wrong with that per se but in terms of looking ahead, or even around us, we’ve got to be careful not to throw out the baby with the bath water. And I share your views of the importance of the basic concepts of representative government and separation of church and state, and also that a country where people of varying faiths and ethnicities happen to live needs to find ways of respecting them all and codifying that respect into law. I’m personally quite happy that you as a devout Orthodox Christian see it that way too. I believe Vladimir Putin does also.
sasy and know the truth,
I am inclined to agree. France, otoh, is apparently hosting a meeting tomorrow to (God willing) put some brakes on this and Turkey has refused US permission for combat mission overflights. But this is truly a pivot point we’re reaching.
b4real,
OMG. And just think of what a state-owned bank could do with their own currency and no payments to London! Or consider how many millions of people across the globe over the past 400 years or so would have lived totally and completely different lives. It’s almost unbearable to consider and now we’re heading to a make-or-break moment; ordinarily one could say (if one could stomach saying it), “Okay, they won, may take 50-100 years but something new will evolve.” However, given Global Warming and the upcoming end of fossil fuel (not necessarily unrelated), it may not.
Alien Tech,
Do you really think we have only one target? It seems to me the goal might be simply to spread mayhem and destruction throughout the Middle East, and it almost smells like we helped foster this division between KSA and Qatar just so we could destroy even more.
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@ Daniel Rich
Many in the German Green party still see Daniel Cohn-Bendit as some kind of “public intellectual” … what a hoot! If ever there was a politician with an undeserved reputation it is him. Even Cohn-Bendit himself thinks he’s a clown who was propelled to stardom by one single incident at the University of Nanterre in 1968. And he has made the best of it ever since. Both he and his pal Fischer were major factors in mobilizing the German government to support the bombardment of Yugoslavia, arguing that bombing a civilian population, destroying their water supply, poisoning their crops was moral. I wonder what people find so admirable in such types? They are certainly not “green” by any definition of the term.
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@ Brabantian
Let’s hope the coming purge of 5th column rats works out as planned by Vladimir Putin and his close and trusted associates. I say this because last December’s sudden “purge” of VoR and RIA Novosti seems to have had some unintended results …
The Truth about Voice of Russia’s Liquidation
Nora,
The European bourgeoisie, or rather the very big European bourgeosie, did rise to power by financing the war of the monarchy against the feudal aristocracy. However, all systems, including political systems, are subject to pressures over time that will cause them to transform and/or degenerate over time. I do not think that we can find an ideal system and then freeze history to allow it to stay in place in perpetuity. At this point in history, what is lacking in politics is the monarchial principle. We have too much oligarchy, so the only way to take away some of that oligarchic power is to push power upwards (to monarchy) or downwards (to democracy). Both are subject to the frailties of human nature, but the former still has more positive potential than the latter.
On the issue of Hungarian nationalism and Greater Hungary raised by other commentators:
The problems left behind by Trianon are real and it is only natural that many Hungarians will become more conscious of them now that both the Soviet Communism and the American capitalism have fallen and are falling, respectively. Warring on Slovaks and Romanians, especially under current circumstances, is obviously not going to get Hungary anywhere. However, some sort of neo-Hapsburg Imperial federal structure is probably needed for Central Europe to accommodate the fact that everyone has their own people living for centuries and in large numbers on territories that formerly constituted core regions of the kingdoms of their neighbours. The current EU is not the only possibility.
Disclaimer: I’m a hungarian. I’m for Russia and Novorossia. I’m a national socialist. I’m completely against the supposedly “NS” fools who have willingly lent their services to the jew Waltzmann/Poroshenko.
> The worst nightmare of the Kiev junta is not only losing Kharkov, Zaporozhe and Odessa regions to
Novorossiya, but facing a simultaneous NAF and Russian-allied uprising in the guerrilla-friendly Carpathians backed by Hungarian guns and fighters.
Okay now this is the most fucked up fantasy I’ve ever heard. I wish it was true. It will never be, though. You have absolutely no insight on the oligarchs of Hungary. They’d happily oblige to another Trianon if they could keep their interests. They have never (never!) supported any revisionist movement – au contraire.
> The Hungarians like the Bulgarians sought to switch sides
What? Nope. Not even communist history stated such stupidity. Horthy only wanted to make peace and bail out. He was vehemently anti-communist.
> the ‘Mussolini of Hungary’ as the shriveling circulation Newsweek dubbed him — Orban had declared war on democracy
I fucking wish.
> (from a comment) they have Stalingrad Day in Hungary mourning the almost complete loss of the Hungarian Army there.
What the fuck? We have no such thing. Unfortunately.
The whole Orban thingy in the article is a mistaken belief implanted by incorrect interpretation of western news (AKA “propaganda”).
Orban is an anti-hungarian puppet who has nothing in common with the general well-being of the country. And Jobbik is anything BUT anti-semitic (oh please don’t believe the charades). That party is a tool which have been used numerous times to crush real Hungary-centric movements, parties, and even singular persons.
I wish the article was true. It is not.
As a Serbian,
I support this development in neighbouring Hungary. A brave president. Though… I would remind everyone that Hungary voted AGAINST Russia in UN regarding Crimea.
In Europe, only Belarus, Serbia and Bosnia did NOT vote against Russia.
I would like to see some more actions from Hungary. They recognize Kosovo, but they do not recognize Crimea in Russia?! Hypocrisy. They have to decide.
However, it is still very brave and admiring change in Hungarian politics. We should not forget that in 1989. Hungary was probably the most anti-Russian nation in Europe. They still celebrate uprising against the Soviets as their national holiday.
But as I know from personal experience, they are very smart people. They openly challenge the Zionists now. It will be interesting to watch the development…
Greetings from Serbia,
The Wend.
To Anons from Hungary and Juliana,
Thank you for your comments. And again, I appreciate that everyone read my disclaimer at the start: I am not of Magyar blood, and have no financial stake or ties to Hungary whatsoever either. The purpose of my piece was to highlight how Mr. Orban was standing up to the EUSSR and the Empire, not necessarily to state agreement with all of Orban’s policies. Though if I were Hungarian, it seems I’d likely be an Orban voter given the pro-EU socialist or ultra-nationalist Jobbik alternatives. The purpose of my post was to elicit comments from Hungarians who can enlighten all of us as to the internal Hungarian politics/demographics/economy that is driving Orban’s anti-Empire, pro-nation state aka ‘a Europe of Fatherlands’ rhetoric.
Certainly we can all agree that the answer to Ukie ultranationalism and fascism is NOT a greater Hungary chauvinism that would denigrate other peoples of Europe. I think the answer to this is two fold:
1) It’s clear Hungary has no will or military capability of waging aggressive war and won’t having learned from its WW1 and WW2 experiences. Hungarian support for its compatriots across borders should and will continue to be peaceful. The scenario of ethnic Hungarians having to take up arms IRA-style to defend their homes or fight back against Right Sector or SBU thugs kidnapping their men as ‘separatists’ or ‘draft resisters’ is only an extreme case, which I still believe can be avoided because only the stupidest Ukies would welcome having to fight insurgencies on two fronts…one in greater Novorossiya attacking SBU and Kiev loyalist forces in the rear of Zaporozhe and Kharkov oblasts and the second one in TransCarpathia.
For more on the true state of TransCarpathia which seems to have a silent majority that is both pro-Ukraine unity (although with self-rule aka federalization a strong possibility and perhaps preferred) and anti-Donbas war, see ‘Y’s post this Sunday.
2) I think any chauvinistic sense in Hungary can be nipped in the bud by a proper teaching of history which while emphasizing Hungarian achievements also reflects on the fact that the Magyars are an ancient Eurasian steppe people (of common blood with the Russians, Ukrainians, Bulgarians and perhaps Macedonians) and that the highest achievements of Hungarian arts and sciences took place within a Hapsburg empire that Czechs, Slovaks, Serbs and others were all a part of co-existing in relative harmony.
As for socialism versus Orban’s alleged Thatcherism, I would tell my socialist friends here that the international banksters are happy to use socialism where they can to make a nation’s debts unpayable as they have in France since De Gaulle and as they tried to do (but failed) in Argentina, though Menenismo was more Peronist corporatist with globalist buyouts than classically socialist.
It’s not that I’m opposed to say, pro-natalist or pro-family formation and pro-breadwinner and worker policies. I think all of these will be necessary in the 21st century to keep advanced nations from the steep or Japan-style population decline our global elitists view as ideal. It’s just that avoiding major national indebtedness requires some tough decisions, which preferably should come out of the largest entities possible before the tax burden is inevitably passed down to the employee and the small business owner.
I am very happy to read this article about my country recent developments.
First, it is true, that the historic Hungary was a multinational country, with many nationalities living together in the Hungarian Kingdom. There were Slovaks, Rutenians, Serbs, Croatian, Schwaben, Vlachs, etc. living together with the Hungarians, and this was the Hungarian Kingdom which lose the two third of its territories because of the Versaille Treaty (whith aglo-zionist intent).
Actually the Carpatian Basin belonged to the Hungarians, to the Huns not only 1000 Years ago, but in the time of Attila, the great Hun King. And it is very interesting, that inside of the Bosnian Pyramid (20-30000 Years old) you can find many stones written with the exact hungarian runa writing, which was preserved even to recent times by the hungarians. So we have connection to this land for much more time, than a thousand years, even for 2 thousand years, or even way beyond any modern historical time, back to the prehistoric times of the ancient pyramids ( much older than the Egypt Pyramids).
I don’t think, one can imagine such a huge national tragedy in the history of European countries. Many Hungarians lived after this dissection in foreign countries. To live together with other nations were a very natural thing before this tragedy. This dissection was a true anglo-zionist act against our nation.
Second: Hungarians knew Christianity before St. Stephan King. We were already Christians, in the Caucasus we learned an esotheric Christianity, Later in the Carpatian Basin (Today’s Hungary) the great majority of Hungarians already belonged to the Bysantine Christianity (Orthodoxy), inculding the family of St. Stephan, and Stephan itself. Our ancient religion was a type from which the Hungarians understood at once the message of Christ, so Christionaity was not a religion difficult to accept, it was very natural for us. What Stephan the King did is joining the western Christian centre of Rome, not the baptize of Hungarians, because it happened before in the Bysantic ritual (which was actually very popular in Hungarians at that time).
Third, the Hungarian language is not mistaken as a “Finn-Ugoric” family language, it is much more a Scythian language, the turk langauges, or the Sumerian are much closer to us, than any of the Finn-Ugor ones (Actually it is dubious, if the so called “Finn-Ugor” language family exist at all). The Habsburgs wanted to cover and distort our history to present us, as a weak and unworthy, and not as noble ancient nation. This Finn-Ugor theory was introduced by them, and caused many harms to our self consciousness. It was done in the 19th century, before then nobody thought that we are any different than the descendants of the huns, and scythian or sumerian ancestors. This language theory is supported by the anglo-zionist lobby, and our Academy of Science is influenced by this force even today, as nobody is allowed to speak about our true origin, it is clearly forbidden in the Academic realms. Nevertheless many studies are done on this subject, just they are not supported or accepted by the anglo-zionist lobby (and by their puppet Academy), as a very dangerous thing for them.
Don’t forget, there is a MIMAC (Military-Industrial_Media-Academic_Complex). The Academy of Science is part of this anglo-zionist ambition.
The only problem with the Cameron statement is that it constitutes a horrific lie. England and the UK have stopped being Christian a LONG time ago, and he personally has presided over the institutionalization of depravity and blesses the ritual murders of innocents and justice.
Maybe someone talking all the time about her Orthodoxy will start at long last saying something Orthodox, instead of “jesuschristsuperstar” crap!
It’s a little odd for an Orthodox of Russian tradition to don’t know that the Tsar was the Anointed of od, the Christian Emperor, as much as the Roman Emperor in Constantinople before him.
We render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s, and not ONE iota of what is God’s!
Between the Church and the State there must be a symphony, not a cacophony!
He said:
“I am the Way, the Life and the Truth.”
and
“Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.”
He said not: “Confess me as much as needed to don’t annoy all those other so wonderful beliefs”.
THAT would be exactly a behaviour of this world!
Now for our recent time, as me, one Hungarian citizen from Budapest can see it.
In the speeches I can see some effort from Orbán Viktor to break away from this anglo-zionist world power, and I listened to this infamous speech of “illiberal democracy”. I find the speech very informative, and many truth is told in it. “Illiberal” makes first a dangerous effect on people, but as we experienced the true face of “Neoliberal” ambitions – enslaving all countries in debt, seizing the natural and human resources of the countries, making the citizens slaves, more than 1 million hungarians, including my daughter are working and living in UK, Germany, Spain, as pure slaves (for more money than they would home), destroying our own industry and agriculture, and replacing everything with foreign companies and owners – so this “liberalism” is a dead end, and we are totally disillusioned by these “liberal values”. We don’t want it any more, and it is very pleasing to hear, that Orbán Viktor has the same awareness about this. íThis gives hopes.
At the same time I cannot hide my disappointment, as I hear that the Hungarian leaders are giving tanks for the war against Novorossia, we are sending troops to the baltic states, and we are giving a Nato base in our territory. I am very disappointed, as I learn the fact, the we are pouring reverse gas to Ukraine. We are practically supporting a nazi state established by EU, NATO, and mainly by US. In speeches Orbán Viktor is very brave but in deeds he is supporting the anglo-zionist agenda. Now have I to believe him, or not? It is early to say surely, which is the case, I am observing the situation, and listen to it, what comes out of all this.
I know, that he is aware already, that we must go for the East, to make more tight connections with Russia, and the other Eurasian and future Eurasian countries.
I would be happy, if we would be part of BRICS and Eurasian Union.
My personal view is, that we should come out of EU and NATO somehow… (It is yet a dangerous thing, I think, we are not powerful enough maybe, but maybe it is not true…)
I am afraid, that he is making a gesture in both of the directions. It can be a real-politic dance between the poles, maybe I would be much more happy, if I could see a more clear move toward Russia, East, BRICS, Eurasian Union.
But now everything is moving around, one really doesn’t know, what is possible, and what is not. A more clean-cut politics would be required by my opinion. I don’t like this giving that to this side, giving that to that side dance. I want a more reliable hungarian leadership.
Sorry to say but the comments here show the predominant voices of the resurrected Whites, i.e. the 1 percenter former monarchists of the doomed and dead nineteenth century aristocracies.
American Kulak says: “It’s not that I’m opposed to say, pro-natalist or pro-family formation and pro-breadwinner and worker policies.”
What? So your model of the future is the replacement of the 1 percenter AngloZionist with the 1 percenter White Monarchists. Is that what your guys are saying?
In that case I’d rather stick with the devil that I know, namely the AngloZionists. And most of the bread-winners would do the same.
Hopefully, Putin is a Marxist and a good one at that, and able to make use the famous Leninist curve, sweeping aside both the oligarchs and the monarchists:
“Human knowledge is not (or does not follow) a straight line, but a curve, which endlessly approximates a series of circles, a spiral. Any fragment, segment, section of this curve can be transformed (transformed one-sidedly) into an independent, complete, straight line, which then (if one does not see the wood for the trees) leads into the quagmire, into clerical obscurantism (where it is anchored by the class interests of the ruling classes).”
― Vladimir Ilich Lenin
It’s just that avoiding major national indebtedness requires some tough decisions
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Just one: take back monetary sovereignity! And issue money directly to the people……
http://houseofmaedhros.wordpress.com/2012/05/24/non-fiori-ma-opere-di-bene/
I agree with Dacian here.
“Orbanism is opportunism and revanchism”. Orbanism is also populism and nationalism.
He is not the fearless and inspirational leader as this blog would like to present him or as the reader not familiar with this topic would like to conclude after reading this.
Hungary had the same opportunity to develop after 1990 communism breakaway as other neighbours: Czechoslovakia, Poland, Slovenia.
They wasted this opportunity and Hungary now ended as least economicaly developed of central European countries with huge debt to pay.
Now they blame external powers (again) and try to revive “great hungarian nation” as if this should help them.
This makes no sense as Magyar minorities living abroad (mostly Romania and Slovakia) are living peacefuly, prosper and all their rights are respected (in Novorossia is exactly the opposite).
If somebody would like to create disturbance in central europe it will be throgh hungarian nationalism and their efforts to revise Trianon.
Dear readers please have this in mind when talking about Orban as a “new hope” in Europe.
There once was a country called “jail of nations” in Europe and yes – it was the Austro-Hungarian Empire.
This is not what we want to see in any form again othervise blood will flow again…
@Maedhros,
Salam,
Repentance mean returning back to God. Let us try to give Cameron the benefit of doubt. It is time both UK and USA to proclaim loudly that they are Christian Nations.
You said, “We render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s, and not ONE iota of what is God’s!”
Excellent, my dearest brother.
Best regards,
Mohamed.
@Nora: Do you really think we have only one target? It seems to me the goal might be simply to spread mayhem and destruction throughout the Middle East, and it almost smells like we helped foster this division between KSA and Qatar just so we could destroy even more.
Dearest Sister,
The above is news of the past. Both KSA and Qatar have kissed and made up.
If you remember, I first brought to your attention the issue of Muslim Brotherhood, when I first joined this blog.
Best regards,
Mohamed.
Hangdala, @ 14 September, 2014 20:43
I wasn’t sure whether there was any connection between Attila’s Huns and the Hungarians who came later — other than etymology and similar ‘Hunnish’ Turkic/Scythian horse lord methods of nomadic tribal raiding and a common origin on the great Eurasian steppe and the southern Urals. Again my knowledge of linguistics is not good enough to really debate these subjects in depth, and the primary purpose of the piece was to emphasize Hungarians awakening to their Eurasian/steppe origins (which dovetails with a more Russophilic/pro-Eurasian trade if not Eurasianist outlook) and solicit comments from Hungarians.
Also it doesn’t surprise me if there were many Christians in Hungary before St. Stephen, obviously Stephen’s pro-Byzantine foreign policy was related to the pre-Schism Orthodox Christianity practiced by his court and many of the Hungarian nobility of that time.
@ Lumpy Gravy,
I found the following quite disturbing:
“While Fischer was more concerned with demonstrations, Cohn-Bendit worked in the Karl-Marx-Buchhandlung bookshop in Frankfurt and ran an anti-authoritarian kindergarten.[1] In his 1975 book Le Grand Bazar,[2] he described himself as engaging in sexual activities with very young children at the kindergarten. In 1978 an edition of Pflasterstrand, an alternative magazine Cohn-Bendit edited, described being seduced by a 6-year old girl as one of the most beautiful experiences the author had ever had.[3] In 2001 Cohn-Bendit said that the accounts were invented for purposes of “verbal provocation”, and that “I admit that what I wrote is unacceptable nowadays”.[4]”
It seems that with the ‘right’ connections you can get away with quite some immoral, illegal and lurid acts.
Hungary’s leadership has sided with sanity and humanity, and a much abused planet, and carried out a policy which is kindred with trends in Russia and China, by banning GMO from their agriculture.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/hungary-destroys-all-monsanto-gmo-corn-fields/5342913
Since GMO are living things, let loose they are able to replicate, and they can be spread surreptitiously. It is practically impossible for countries to eliminate Monsanto-esque malfeasance within the context of the open-your-doors-to-us sovereignty of global finance and global corporations, augmented by the limitless potential skullduggery of ‘Intelligence’ (sic) institutions.
On the subject of GMO excellent resources are to be found with Jeffrey M. Smith’s http://www.ResponsibleTechnology.org and at F. William Engdahl’s http://www.engdahl.oilgeopolitics.net
In North America GMOs have been inflicted on a disempowered and manipulated public, and farmers have been lured by corrupt regulatory reassurance and corporate ‘salesmanship’ into widespread use of this technology.
Given Monsanto’s track record of criminality, lying and cover-ups, the Russians to their credit were awake enough to wonder just how safe was Monsanto’s ‘Roundup Ready Soy.
In 2005, at the Institute of Higher Nervous activity and Neurophysiology of the Russian Academy of Sciences, Irina Ermakova led a team of scientists investigating Monsanto’s GM soy. The result was shocking. Extreme harm was done to the offspring of rats fed GM soy prior to conception.
So how pathological can the Hegemonic elites of the “West’ be? Really, really, really sick; abroad and at home. Destroy beautiful hopeful, Libya, commit mass, mass murder, steal their stuff, while poisoning their own people.
Hungary is a little country that has to tread very carefully in the geopolitical psycho ward. Hats off to Hungary for a gutsy independent stance on GMOs and a salute to the ‘anti-GMO ‘food’ Eurasian trend’.
Slovenes are ‘mountain Serbs’ or Croats are ‘Vaticanized Serbs’ (most likely yes, but it’s been centuries so who can really tell anymore)
JFC what an unbelievably ignorant statement to bookend an otherwise very good article — even if you qualified it and weakly dissassociated yourself from this bit of Serb nationalist psycho-babble — the same way you always excuse yourself when you use the word “Anglo-Zionist.”
Most likely you should stop playing politics and let Croats and Slovenes decide what they are for themselves. Except for British Zionists it is convention to let people define their own identity for themselves.
All of which distinguishes you as another budding Russo-Zionist Judeophile in drag.
Here it is… Yugoslavia in a nutshell:
We said let’s build a nation of Serbs, Croats, Slovenes, etc., TOGETHER but they said, naw, you’re just Serbs who forgot your REAL identity.
Paraphrasing Slavoj Zizek, this is about the Jew in You.
Divide divide divide —
then Conquer!
@ American Kulak
Of course, I didn’t expected that You know everything about the history and origin of my Hungarian country and people. I just wanted to fine tune some facts about us.
And yes, many Hungarian sees that we must orientate ourselves to our real roots – that’s why there is a movement in Hunagry, we hold yearly a so called “Kurul Taj”, where we invite many similar consciousness people from Kazahstan, Uzbegistan, Kirgizistan, etc, and this gathering is a tribute to our common past (the Kurul Taj was invited even into our parliament, I have seen the video of it, it was really great! People with ancient clothes were present from Hungary and from these nations).
These people are actually russian speaking, and I am sure, many of us are approaching more and more friendly to Russia too, because the recent Russia is not the same terrible empire occupied us for 40 years, and beated down our revolution against bolshevism in 1956.
This Russia is approaching friendly to other nations, and seeks co-operation and partnership on the basis of mutual interests, respect, and equality.
And many of us sees this new Russia as the way out of the nightmare of anglo-zionist dictatorship, which shows its true face as an all destroying power against all of the human values of Mankind.
I see Russia as a hope for a new planet. I hope this will continue.
In my second comment I mentioned that for us the orinetation toward BRICS and Eurasian Union would be the best way for further develpments.
So again, thanks for Your article! I find it great!
Thanks AK. Very interesting read.
@ Daniel Rich
> In his 1975 book Le Grand Bazar,[2] he described himself as engaging
> in sexual activities with very young children at the kindergarten.
Yes, I know. Disgusting, isn’t it? It is beyond me how Cohn-Bendit got away with this and many other things for so long. The only logical explanation is that by promoting opportunists such as Fischer, Cohn-Bendit, Vollmer and others to the top of the party and by protecting them from media attacks the establishment got leverage within the party and could easily manipulate and control its policies.
If you read German have a look at this series of articles by Jutta Ditfurth, a founding member of Die Grünen, who left the party in disgust after the infamous Fundi/Realo schism of the late 1980s. In it she describes what happened after a small bunch of determined Kaputtmacher (Fischer, Cohn-Bendit etc.) joined the party and elbowed their way to the top with the support of the mainstream media (especially Der Spiegel). Today the party is widely regarded as a launchpad for political careers and as a source of well-payed positions for loyal party members. I think it is safe to say that not many of the thousands who joined Die Grünen in 1980 are any longer in the party. Like Jutta Ditfurth most people turned their back on the party when it became clear that under Joschka Fischer’s leadership Die Grünen were just as opportunistic, shifty, devious and warmongering as the established old parties.
@Actually the Carpatian Basin belonged to the Hungarians, to the Huns not only 1000 Years ago, but in the time of Attila, the great Hun King. And it is very interesting, that inside of the Bosnian Pyramid (20-30000 Years old) you can find many stones written with the exact hungarian runa writing, which was preserved even to recent times by the hungarians
@I think any chauvinistic sense in Hungary can be nipped in the bud by a proper teaching of history which while emphasizing Hungarian achievements…
I think that any chauvinistic sense in Hungary and the quarters which support Hungarian irredentism (which always were of an “anglo-zionist” bend), would be to make known, as widely as possible, the verifiable historical fact that in the “multinational” kingdom the native populations represented the overwhelming majority (Transylvania is the most relevant case in point).
Also to discourage the kind of “history” which can invoke such monumental hoaxes like the Bosnian pyramid, to serve as proof of the immemorial Huno-Magyar “ownership” of the Carpathian Basin. All invaders were, and remained alien to the “Basin”. There were not the Slovaks, Ruthenians, Vlachs, etc who “lived with the Hungarians”, but the Hungarians who lived with them.
Petra Kelly and Gert Bastian were murdered by Mossad to get their “Joschka Fischers” in control of the German Greens. From that point on, the German Greens became a ZPC tool with all the zionazi trimmings of R2P and promotion of “greater” Israel geopolitical interests.
Joschka Fischer is married to Minu Barati. A daughter of one of the ZPC/NWO quislings. There was an English wikipedia entry for her, but this was erased by zionist Jewish action. They literally claimed she was not worthy of wikipedia inclusion despite her having several artistic works to her name and being married to a prominent German quisling and being the daughter of a prominent ex-Iranian quisling of the ZPC. This is a typical zionist Jewish op to cover up their corruption and connections, since connecting Minu Barati’s ZPC anti-Iranian work to Joschka Fischer would show that politician to be nothing but an Israeli bum toy. A German wikipedia entry exists, but it is devoid of useful content – the wikipedia badge of honour.
The zionists dominating the wikipedia zio-propaganda site erased Minu Barati’s existence not because they disagreed with her politics, the usual MO of the things, but because the sods very much agreed with them, but massa realised it exposed her husband’s connections to the ZPC. So she became essentially a non-entity to those limited to the English language. The way zionist Jews like it to be.
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WizOz said…15 September, 2014 03:04
“@Actually the Carpatian Basin belonged to the Hungarians, to the Huns not only 1000 Years ago, but in the time of Attila, the great Hun King. And it is very interesting, that inside of the Bosnian Pyramid (20-30000 Years old) you can find many stones written with the exact hungarian runa writing, which was preserved even to recent times by the hungarians“
Where did you find this “new age” toss?
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@BOT TAK,
I take that you notice that it was not me who found this “new age” toss. It was hangdala at 20:43.
Joschka Fischer revealed his true, repulsively racist, features, in my opinion, during the 2006 Israeli blitzkrieg against Lebanon. While the Israelis smashed every part of Lebanon destroying schools, hospitals, mosques, homes, power-stations, bridges etc, and obliterating Dahiya entirely, in order to attempt to provoke civil war in Lebanon, Fischer was silent. But when a Hezbollah rocket fell on Haifa, killing a few unfortunates, he began hissing and spitting, in true Zionazi fashion, that a ‘red line has been crossed’. The accursed untermenschen, the ‘two-legged animals’ had dared to fight back against the Jewish ubermenschen. The barely changed ideology of racist supremacy of the German fascist met and melded with that of the Judaic racist and supremacists. This evil alliance continues to grow and deepen, producing monsters like Anders Brievik.
Robert Snefjella, the Institute of Science in Society (ISIS!!!) is an invaluable source for info on the GE scam and catastrophe.
Robert Snefjella, the Institute of Science in Society (ISIS!!!) is an invaluable source for info on the GE scam and catastrophe.
Orban is looking to expand Hungary’s territory in the neighboring countries and that will lead to war.Neither Ukrainians,Slovaks,Serbs or Romanians are going to tolerate his policies. for a lot of this countries Hungarians are not even Europeans they are intruders from Northern China and Mongolia.
Orban is looking to expand Hungary’s territory in the neighboring countries and that will lead to war.Neither Ukrainians,Slovaks,Serbs or Romanians are going to tolerate his policies. for a lot of this countries Hungarians are not even Europeans they are intruders from Northern China and Mongolia.Orban will be pushed out of power by EU /US if he keeps being a tool of Russia
@Nora
French defence minister in Abu Dabhi, fro which french jets are reportedly taking off on reconnaissance flights.
I am late to this, but Krugman has cross-posted on his blogs numerous articles showing the dictatorial turn Hungary has taken. You can find re-read them here: http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/?s=hungary
This is one example (from 2012!):
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/01/12/hungary-update/
I regret that I am late in responding to maedros at 20:43, but both you and Mohamed in the next post have misunderstood what I was trying to say.
What I said was not in any way ‘Jesus Christ Superstar’ so that is not a just characterization. Nor do I have a quarrel with those who are intent on combining the functions of church and state. I simply wish to point out that Our Lord did not do that in what is written of him in the Gospels, though I as you do believe that the Kingdom in spiritual terms can only be stated about the Kingdom of God – all earthly kingdoms being merely an imitation of that.
Even the Tsar, even the Queen of England, recognized themselves (with great pageantry) as symbolic spiritual leaders of their citizenry, deferring to the actual spiritual leadership each in their own country. And I do not consider them political leaders, as much as they may do, or may have done, with respect to the practical matters of the realm. Some countries have monarchs; some do not.
Please don’t malign my faith and I will not malign yours.
sasy,
Dang. I’m almost scared to look at the news. The Empire is certainly striking back.
WizOz said…15 September, 2014 05:40
“@BOT TAK,
I take that you notice that it was not me who found this “new age” toss. It was hangdala at 20:43.”
I didn’t realise you were quoting somebody else’s comment, in fact I wasn’t sure what you were doing in that post. :) Sorry about the confusion.
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Small point, but an estimated 19 million people in Europe, mostly around Istanbul and in Cyprus speak Turkish. This excedes the approx 14 million that speak Hungarian.
I am wondering if the author (AK) is in any way suggesting that the neo-nazi Hungarian Jobbik Party will engage in battle with the neo-nazi Ukrainian Right Sector Party over control of the Transcarpathian region of Ukraine?
Will we end up witnessing neo-nazi violence on neo-nazis? Now that would be some special White-on-White violence!
To WizOz and to the Bot Tak
at 20:44
https://www.google.ca/search?q=hungarian+artifacts+find+in+the+bosnian+pyramid&biw=1351&bih=925&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=sqgZVJumLuOrjALsu4GQBA&ved=0CB4QsAQ#tbm=isch&q=hungarian+artifacts+found+in+the+bosnian+pyramid&spell=1
I appreciate the intention of the Author of this article, but have to correct a few historical facts.
1.) at the time of St. Stephen, a large protion of Hungarians were already christian, but of the eastern rites, which was regarded by the German “missionaries” az being heathen. The German bishoprics wanted to extend their domains to Hungary, therefore have done their best to slander the Hungarian peoples.
They misinterpreted, falsified the Hungarian history.
They proclaimed, thet the Hungarian campaignes in alliace with warious German princes, and other kings, were aimless “wanderings” to robb their territories. They enlarged the few defeats of the Hungarian armies, but kept silent on their great victories, when the Germans who proclaimed, that they will eradicate the Hungarians from the earth, where so beaten in 907, that hardly any of them returned home.
When the Hungarians did not let the mongol-tatars cross Hungary to destroy the Holy Roman Empire, which was the aim of the tatars, and the Hungarian Army was beaten by the tatars, the Germans captured King Béla IV. and demanded a large ransome.
They attacked Hungary at every opportunity and wanted to conquer her. They behaved just like today, helping anybody against the rightful king. That went so far, that when the Hungarian armies were fighting the osman turks in defense of Wester Europe, the attacked Hungary. When the turks occupied a large part of Hungary, the did their best to sabotage Hungarian efforts to liberate Hungary.
Let us jump a few centuries: the Trianon diktat was in so crass opposition of the Wilson principles of selfdetermination of the people, that the USA refused to sign it.
All the ENtente powers ignored, that of the Habsburg Empire, Hungary was the only country, which opposed the war. The warmongers in Austrian and the CHechs got large parts of Hungary where millions of Hungarians were living for thausend years. No plescibites were allowed.
This crass ignorance of facts ledto a not really wanted leaning on Germany. In the Munich treaty such parts of Chechoslovakia were returned to Hungary which were populated by by Hungarians.
(The rianon borders were drawns as if when Scotland became independent, a large part of North England were given tto Scotland, and York became a scotish city. or if most of the southern states of the USA were transfered to Mexico and the northern ones to Canada.)
As for the part oh the historical Hungary called Cis-carpatia, which the French gave to the Chechs in 1920, the russyns immigrated there in the 14th century. Had Hungary not occupied it before 1939, the Germans had won the Battle of Britain, as there were no common Polish/Hungarian border, that allowed something like 200.000 poles to escape to Hungary and the go further West to form the free Polish Armee, and many polish pilots to join the RAF to fight for England against the Germans.
Also Hungary was the only German-occupied country where an anti Nazi government were appointed by the legal head of the state, to replace the marionett-government forced on the country by the occupying forces.
Now to jump again: Victor Orbán is not the president of Hungary, but the Prime -minister (Minister-president in the Hungarian terminology!)
The Hungarians were not a beaten horede of fleeing people, but a strong, organized force with families and small and large animals, and were simply returnig to their original homeland, where they found people of their kind, who spoke the same language.
Their culture, taking the oecologic view, were much higher, then that of Western Europe. THey were not roaming nomas, but had winter and sommer pastures, with agricultural lands at their villages. They had their own alphabet and writing. Where they lived in healthy tents as opposed to wholes dug into the earth like their neighbours in the west.
All other is bullshit German propaanda, One-Upmanship. (My old Austin 7 is better than your Rolls ROlls or Bentley!)
Despite Orban’s promise to block all activists from his country, they are stirring trouble
http://revolution-news.com/hungary-day-public-outrage-budapest/
And guess who is prominently visible in Budapest? The re-branded “Udar” now calling itself “ActivistWorldNetwork”
https://streamup.com/ActivistWorldNewNetwork