Many major developments to report today. First, though I was trying very hard to contain my excitement over the past days, the level of success the Novorussian Armed Forces (NAF) against the Junta Repression Forces (JRF) appears to be absolutely amazing and, should Mariupol fall, which appears to be likely, I would speak of a strategic victory, something which I am normally extremely reluctant to do, especially when speaking to a force which only recently was a volunteer militia force. How could that possibly have happened?
Military situation:
I think that there is a second expression which now can be used without exaggeration: all the signs are that the JRF have reached their breaking point: this is the moment when a military force suddenly and completely collapses, like a damn which blows out under the pressure of water. The JRF is not retreating on one, two or even three directions, it is retreating everywhere (except north of Lugansk). Entire battalions are leaving the front under orders of their battalion commanders and without the approval of the Junta leaders. At least one such battalion commander is already being judged for desertion. The entire Ukie leadership seems to be in a panic mode, especially Iatseniuk and Kolomoiski, while the Nazis are mad as hell at the Poroshenko administration. There are constant rumors of an anti-Poroshenko coup by outraged Nazi nationalists. And then, there are the absolutely staggering Ukrainian losses.
[I have stricken out the following section due to protest by it’s author who accused me of “grossly exaggerating” and “misrepresenting” his figures]
There is one such list which I reader sent me who, according to my reader, was published on Zero Hedge, but I could not find it there. I did find it here though:
Ukrainian forces casualties and losses 2 May – 21 August
Casualties
Total: 32.702
Dead and wounded: 20.274
Prisoner, deserters and missing: 12.418
Destroyed or captured materiel:
I. Aviation
Attack
– 16 Su-25 (one captured 7 July)
Bomber
– 7 Su-24
Fighter
– 2 MiG-29
Recon
– 1 AN-30
– 6 drones
Transport
– 2 AN-26
– 2 IL 76
I.a Helicopters
– 20 attack and transport Mi-24, Mi-17 y Mi-8
II. Ground forces materiel
Tanks Total: 347 ( 68 captured )
– 319 T-64 ( 65 captured )
– 2 T-64 Bulat
– 7 T-72 ( 3 captured )
– 19 T-84-U Oplot
Armored vehicles Total: 602 ( 119 captured )
– 163 BMP Infantry Fighting Vehicle, tracked ( 69 capturados )
– 125 BMD IFV Paratroopers, tracked ( 9 captured )
– 312 BTR Armored Personnel Carrier, wheeled ( 39 captured )
– 2 BRDM Scout Vehicle, wheeled ( 2 captured )
Artillery Total: 180 ( 122 captured pieces )
– 4 SO-203 2S7 “Pion” 203mm
– 5 SAU 2S3 “Acacia” 152mm (1 captured )
– 30 SAU 122 2S1 Gvozdika 122mm ( 25 captured )
– 2 Mortars 2S4 Tyulpan 240mm(2 captured
– 6 Mortars SAU Nona 120mm (6 captured )
– 21 Antiaircraft guns ZU 23-2 ( 18 captured )
– 24 Rocket launcher Grad 122mm ( 24 captured )
– 11 Rocket launcher Uragan 220mm (4 captured )
– 45 howitzer D-30 122mm ( 10 captured )
– 32 mortars82mm ( 32 captured )
Trucks and cars Total: 153 (124 captured )
– 5 Hummer
– Jeep
– 25-66 GaZ
– Staff car
– Mobile crane
– 1 ZIL 131
– 2 KrAZ
– 58 Ural trucks
– 69 Kamaz trucks
– 4 UAZ 469
Last edited by von Junzt; 23 Aug 14 at 07:42.
Now I am not endorsing this list since I don’t even know who made it up or on what basis.
But I will say that it is consistent with. Check out this list and this one (thanks to GM for the link!!). Finally, this list is also consistent with all the footage shown on the various video hosting sites such as YouTube. I will even add that this list is clearly incomplete since it was made before the biggest Ukie losses occurred. But let’s not look at the exact numbers, let’s look at the suggested magnitude. This tells us that:
- 40’000+ Ukrainian soldiers have died.
- 600+ armored vehicles have been lost.
- 200+ artillery pieces have been lost (probably many more in reality).
- Most of the Ukie aviation in flying condition has been lost.
If, as it appears likely, the real number of dead JRF soldiers is anywhere near the 30’000+40’000+ figure, then this is something absolutely unique in modern warfare. There might be an exception to this I have missed, but as far I can know in every single conflict since WWII (and including WWII), civilians have died in far greater numbers than combatants. This is also absolutely true of NAF soldiers who have died in far smaller numbers than Novorussian civilians. So unless these figures are completely off the mark, and I see no reason to believe this, the Junta forces were absolutely massacred in an horrible butchery which cannot completely be explained by the superb fighting skills of the Novorussians: clearly the Junta has used these forces as cannon fodder with not even a modicum of care, nevermind support, for them. Yes, the Novorussians had God, morale, common sense, the Truth, the GRU, history, decency, international law, covert support from Russia and whatever else on their side but that does not explain the mind-boggling casualty figures of the Ukie side.
To me a life is a life, and a Ukie life is no less precious than a Russki life. Yes, I am delighted and relieved that the JRF were defeated and that the horrors which the Novorussians had to live through will possibly end soon. But I feel heartbroken and immensely said for the thousands of innocent Ukrainians who were used by their Junta and sent to die in the process of a criminal operation whose goal was the ethnically cleanse the entire Donbass of its population. And I am proud and happy by the way Russia and the Novorussians have treated the Ukie deserters and POWs. Even the worst ones, the artillery crews, which were shown videos of whom they murdered and of what they destroyed, they were confronted with their victims and sometimes they were ordered to work to rebuilt, as much as can be, the buildings which they had destroyed (some broke down in complete hysterics, by the way). But they were no shot, tortured, mistreated in any way. They received medical attention, they were washed, clothed, fed and eventually sent back home. I consider that treatment another huge moral victory for the Russian Orthodox side whose effects it will take many years to fully access.
The bottom line is this: Poroshenko promised a victory in a matter of weeks and his forces suffered one of the most total defeats in the history of warfare. Can the Ukies rearm? Yes, to some degree. Do they still have huge weapons stores? Yes, but all the (comparatively) better gear has been used by now. Can they still conduct a 4th, 5th and 6th mobilization? Possibly. Though the public mood is ominous at this time. Can the AngloZionists send them instructors, equipment and money? Yes. Will that turn the tide? Probably not. Unless the Ukies have held back and secretly trained a large number of soldiers over the past 3-4 months (like the Novorussians have done in Russia) and unless these soldiers are now ready to be sent in, fully equipped and ready to go, I don’t see the JRF bouncing back for a very long time. But the most likely thing is that this ridiculous “Banderastan” experiment has seriously begun sinking now and that many rats are leaving the ship. Last, but not least, for the very first time some mentally sane voices are being heard on Ukie TV.
For example, I have seen very interesting footage of a Ukie general (possibly retired) who, speaking in Russian, told a press conference that enough people had died and that it was wrong that people born in the same country, having the same culture and the same language (yes, he really said that!) were killing each other. He concluded “we are not only tired of shooting, we are tired of killing”. That kind of talk was never heard only weeks ago on Ukie TV. Sure, that creep Savik Shuster is still inviting Nazis on his 3 hour long weekly program, but I bet you that he has already made his suitcases and has an exist strategy ready (a move to Israel is what I suspect he will do).
NATO summit: the mouse that roared
It’s too early to call this one since it’s not over yet, but so far hot air and a general impression of irrelevance seems to be the only result from this summit. First, the US and the UK have announced more sanctions which makes me wonder about the other countries. Now they say the that US and EU will impose sanctions, but we know that the Czechs and Slovaks have promised to veto any such move. But even if they do, this will be more of the kind of symbolic nonsense like banning Russian banks (who are leaving anyway) or Russian officials (who now see that as a mark of great honor). The goofiest idea came from, what else, the British who want to cut Russia off the SWIFT network. Which makes the Russians wonder how the EU wants to pay for its gas. Oh, and then there is this 10’000 men rapid reaction force whose creation is supposed to terrify the Kremlin. Let me tell you, as a military analyst, that rapid reaction forces are – by definition – not something you can use in a conventional war against a continental power like Russia with large number of men, artillery and armor. That is absolutely laughable. But even better is this: while the US and EU are discussing the creation of this force, Putin has already given the order to DOUBLE the size of the Russian Airborne Forces which, by the way, are superior (in training, equipment and capabilities) to any comparable western force, bar none.
art: Josetxo Ezcurra |
Please understand me right: I am not dismissing NATO at all. As a militarized political organization its capability for malevolence is immense, but this is primary a problem for the EU countries which, at best, are something between a US protectorate or colony, and who have to put up with the ugly consequences of being subservient to this fully US-controlled supra-national enforcement instrument. For Russia the problem is the castrating effect NATO has on EU politicians as shown by the grotesquely stupid move by Francois Hollande to cancel (probably only *delay*) the delivery of the Mistrals to Russia. That kind of nonsense is the real by-product of NATO membership, but that hardly makes NATO a credible military threat.
Speaking of Hollande and his decision to delay the delivery of the Mistrals, the BBC gave some figures of the costs involved for France:
A French diplomat earlier said the contract was suspended until November, and the delay “could cost us 1bn euros”. The deal is worth 1.2bn euros – and Russia is reported to have paid most of it, so breach of contract would mean France having to reimburse that money. In addition, France would be liable for an extra 251m-euro penalty payment, French news website LCI reports.
Of course, the real costs of this debacle is a huge loss of credibility for France and its international image. It’s is all very well to proudly say “la France! la France!” but when you act as a poodle you get treated like one. In the polite world of international diplomacy nobody will say much, but everybody will know that everybody knows. And, of course, none of that hurts Russia one bit. At the most, the full complex of western “sanctions” against Russia are a short-term mild annoyance and a fantastic opportunity to finally tackle some much delayed and most urgently needed reforms. Frankly, I think that these sanctions are a blessing and, apparently, so do most Russians (according to recent opinion polls).
The EU – finally getting a little fed up?
There is no doubt that the EU’s abject subservience to AngloZionists has really hurt European economic and political interests. Not only that, but from an EU point of view, the situation in Banderastan is getting worse and worse and even worse. There are some signs that both the Poroshenko regime and the EU are finally becoming aware that unless they do something really, really, soon things might get much worse. And, exactly as Oleg Tsarev had predicted it, as soon as the NAF scored its first major victories the EU and Poroshenko suddenly became interested in negotiations. And, right on time, Putin offered his peace plan.
Putin’s 7 point peace plan |
As peace plans come, this one is pretty much a no-brainer and contains only rather obvious points. Hardly earth shattering, but still a very good basis, especially when combined with a clear message to the Ukies that Russia is not a part to this conflict and that everything must be negotiated in direct talks with Novorussia. As for the Novorussians, they have already basically agreed to a slightly amended version of the plan. Interestingly, so apparently has Poroshenko. In contrast, Iatseniuk is enraged and apparently wants to built a wall along the Russian border (he really seems off his meds recently). Finally, it appears that Merkel and the OSCE are fully backing the plan, while Fabius is very reluctantly “not opposed”.
Of course, we all know that the Ukies and the EU have broken every single agreement they ever committed to since this war started, but this time there is no doubt left whatsoever about the outcome should no negotiated agreement be reached. And since the Ukies and the EU need this peace plan much more than Russia, they might want to stick to their word this time. Maybe.
An important thing about this plan is that it contains only immediate to short-term elements. There is nothing at all in it about any final status for Novorussia or, for that matter, of the rest of the Ukraine. And this exact how this should be. Why? Because what is important in this plan is not what it says, but what it implies: “you have lost and we can restart this one anytime we want“. Yes, I know, neither the Novorussians nor the Russians have said any such thing, but remember that making threats is not the Russian way. Russians do not promise, they do not threaten – they just act. And if Obama, Cameron or Hollande are too stupid to understand this, Poroshenko (being, as any other Ukie “oligarch”, a Mafia boss) knows that very well. I promise you that there is a deep level of mutual understanding between Putin and Poroshenko which no western leader will ever imagine.
The smile which says it all |
For all the bullshit about nationalism and politics, they are both Russian strongmen, clan bosses, and even if Poroshenko is a tiny little insect in comparison to Putin, they still have that “clan boss” culture in common and that means that Putin has absolutely no need to make any threats to Poroshenko simply because Poroshenko already knows. For example, I heard on Ukie TV that Putin had allegedly told an OSCE official that “if he wanted he could take Kiev in two weeks”. Whether this is true or not (I doubt it – it can be done is less time) is not the point. The point is that this is exactly the kind of “explanations” which Putin does not need to convey to Poroshenko, but that he might need to “clarify reality” to some western diplomat of the “intellectual caliber” of, say, Hollande or Rasmussen.
So are the Europeans waking up? Is the Russian strategy to push a wedge between the EU and the US working? I think that this is too early to tell, but I am becoming cautiously optimistic. The way Merkel immediately endorsed the “Putin plan” might be a sign that at least Germany is starting to seriously feel the heat.
Tomorrow in Minsk?
Tomorrow will be huge. Not only is the NATO summit concluding, but the Ukies are meeting with the Novorussians under the watchful eyes of Russia and Belarus. Apparently topics will range from energy to the peace plan (the EU probably will want guarantees for its gas in exchange for supporting the plan). The biggest threat now is that the AngloZionists and their Nazi allies in the Ukraine will be very very angry if a deal is made. Frankly, Poroshenko is taking a big personal risk, but since his situation is already very precarious, he might have figured that an 11th hour “rebranding” of himself as a “peacemaker” might not be the worst possible outcome, especially if the Germans try hard to protect him. As for the US, it might turn to its time-honored tradition and simply dump Poroshenko. My biggest concern are the bona fide Nazis a la Iarosh, Timoshenko, Iatseniuk or Tiagnibok who will be absolutely outraged at any deal made with Putin. Likewise, the oligarchs like Akhmetov and Kolomoiski (who hate each other) will also be furious, as will Hunter Biden.
art: Josetxo Ezcurra |
The sad fact is that there is a entire clique of Ukrainian Nazis and oligarchs who much rather continue the war against Russia (because this is, of course, what this is really all about!) to the last Ukrainian soldier if need be rather than accepting a deal, especially a very bitter one like the one presented to Kiev right now. Because, let’s be honest here, this will be packaged in all sorts of noble and lofty words, but we are talking about a capitulation and not some kind of meaningful compromise, at least form the Ukie point of view.
What the Ukraine really needs right now is a real process of denazification. There is another “Ukraine” out there, at least potentially if not historically, which could be very different from the Banderastan the AngloZionists have created. Yes, Ukrainian nationalism is the product of centuries of west European machinations and conspiracies, but this does not mean that it has to forever remain hostage of the hateful forces which have created it. For one thing, this conflict has constantly obfuscated the fact that most Ukrainians and most Russians want an independent Ukraine to exist. This will be hard to prove at this point, but I believe that the only region of the ex-Ukraine which really wanted to join Russia was Crimea. The Donbass would have settled for much less. I am absolutely convinced that the stupid Nazis really did it to themselves, that blinded by their rabid hatred of everything Russia or Orthodox they simply could not help act the way they did, because it was “in their nature“. Now it is too late to turn things around, you cannot magically undo that horrible and crazy civil war. But it might be possible to use the reflexion about the causes and results of this outcome to push for a real denazification of the Ukraine. After all, no matter how brainwashed they currently are, most Ukrainians will come to realize that it took the crazy Ukie nationalists only 6 months to completely destroy their country and that all that this sick ideology of hatred and ignorance brought them is poverty, violence, humiliation and death. But I am looking way to far ahead.
Let’s see what tomorrow brings (or not) and then where this might lead us. What is certain is that even if tomorrow brings a vapid and meaningless NATO summit and a peace deal in Minsk, this will be way way way too early to celebrate. At best, it will be one first step in the right direction, but only one step on a long and still very dangerous road.
Stay tuned, I will try to keep you informed the best I can.
Kind regards,
The Saker
Saker said “Frankly, moderating has turned into such a frustrating experience for me that I can’t wait for the new server and the help of my pre-moderators. I just don’t have the kind of patience to constantly put up with strawman accusations followed by rudely formulated demands. Maybe it’s generational. Maybe it’s cultural. Maybe it’s just me. But I sure am fed up with it all.
It’s not you Saker, it the world (particularly the western world) and the way information Is disseminated these days. Now everyone is used to sound bites and tweets for their information flow. If it isn’t in one short sentence it cannot be comprehended, or that’s how it seems to me.
Personally I don’t know how you manage to do what you do, but I’m glad you do it. I find your site unmatched for news about the Ukrainian situation as you provide well balanced coverage with intelligent comment and analysis presented in a fair and accurate manner.
These comments are for you personally as you deserve all the support you can get and I hope my comments help. Post it if you want or not after yet more moderation!
@Larchmonter445
Russia must win or die. … It is about identity and culture, religion and language. …
It is not only about the life or death of Russia. Europe, is already in the death-grip of the Anglo-Zionist Empire: its ethnic identity being destroyed by mass migration and propaganda to suppress the fertility of the indigenous peoples; its Christian identity and local culture replaced by political correctness, multiculturalism and various toxic products and externalities of the commercial system.
Those who hope to see a revival of independent nation states and the renewal of Christianity in Europe had better hope to see Novorossiya victorious in the struggle with the Ukraine’s Nato-backed Nazis.
As the saying goes: ‘When they feel the heat, they’ll see the light.’ Or rather, in merkel’s case, when winter comes, and there are ‘technical problems’ with the gas supply to Germany, merkel will feel the cold, while feeling the anger of the German business bosses.
VINEYARDSAKER: said…
@EVERYBODY: Various times.
Why not tell the old story about Vietnam.
Westmoreland’s staff gathered the body count figures and Cronkite quoted them on the nightly news, digging themselves an ideological hole since they placed undue emphasis and extrapolations on the figures.
In any war including Vietnam nobody knows/knew the figures and for various reasons including wanting to please Westmoreland and so stay in the “rear” instead of going out and adding to the body count figures which may not have been registered as the ones tasked with gathering the figures would be dead,Westmoreland’s staff invented many of the figures.
The US concentrated on numbers which were likely incorrect and assigned them significances that were incorrect given that the other side didn’t share the US interpretation of the significance of the numbers.
Sensible US officers in Vietnam, and there were some, realised that “success” using Westmoreland’s criteria increased the resolve of “the enemy” whilst reducing the resolve of their own troops, some of whom – no numbers sorry -found cutting ears or penises off to confirm the body count lost its attraction over time.
This then iterated a few times until the US were defeated, they didn’t lose, they were defeated, “losing” being an attempt to deny the agency of the opposition.
The US is still following Westmoreland’s broad method and surprise, surprise achieving the same results – excepting number, which through the activities of others are achieved at less loss of local life than in Vietnam.
How much life? – nobody knows.
To the person who said
“Zionists are good at sacrificing non-jews for blood-libel.”
To you and the rest I say Fascists come in all races and creeds now as they did in WWII. But for many of you history only seems to have started in the 1960′ or a little later.
To you Saker I say, you really do a great job with this blog and I rely on you both for accurate information and for your analysis.And you stated you would keep anti-semitic statements off of it. Please don’t try to hide the use of Zionist now for people who mean Jew.
The Jewish Ukranian Oligarchs are fascists plain and simple just like other fascists throughout history from other countries.
It is extremely unfortunate then and painful to see that your own antisemiticism stains this blog. You wrote the other day you don’t allow these kinds of remarks. Whom are you fooling here? “Zionists” is just a shoddy cover for “Jew”. Blood libel? That sounds like out of the Protocols of Zion, a Tsarist forgery. Is this what the new Russian Orthodox represents? How can you possibly contribute to a new humanity with this kind of racism?
The greatest sacrifce of NonJews in the world was made by another Nazi named Hitler. Hitler stated at the end that” The German people didn’t deserve Germany.” This is exactly the Ukraninan Nazi mindset today which has no love for humanity of any kind. Not Christians nor Jews.
That multnational, multiethnic previous fascist world war cost the world 85 million people it is estimated. The fascist axis at the time was German, Italian and Japanese. The Japanese killed around 3 million Chinese. The Turks murdered one million Armenians, and in the aftermath of WWII the French occupied Algeria and killed one million Algerians.
It is estimated in the past 60 years that the US directly or indirectly worldwide through its coup d’etats and instigation of dictatorships and support thereof, that it is responsible for the deaths of around 85 million people. (Indymedia) around 9 years ago.
Dear Saker,
It would be very helpful would you post some references on the classics of the Orthodox doctrine available in English or other languages.
Also, the relations with the neoplatonic Gnostics, which i intuite underly the conflict with Roman catholicism.
Thank you,
Kind regards
Patagonian
Dear Saker,
It would be very helpful would you post some references on the classics of the Orthodox doctrine available in English or other languages.
Also, the relations with the neoplatonic Gnostics, which i intuite underly the conflict with Roman catholicism.
Thank you,
Kind regards
Patagonian
The Daily Telegraph says 2,600 deaths in Ukraine total.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/11078560/After-six-months-of-fighting-and-2600-deaths-an-uneasy-truce-settles-on-east-Ukraine.html
and a million displaced.
Not a misprint, that is up from 2000 in a recent report. I keep telling my friends they are being lied to, but they won’t have it.
Regarding the issue of the ceasefire, I profoundly agree with you Saker that this is indeed a complex issue more than I had initially entertained. Just a few thoughts.
It started as a war of self-defense then grew to an anti-fascist struggle and now is evolving to a national liberation struggle in part.
Along the way most recently the Ukraine Communist Party and Party of regions has been ruled out. The Nazis still hold all the political reins of power. I don’t know how this will play out trying to negotiate with Nazis.
Will Eastern European nearby republics try to step in? Does the US want a continuation of the conflict to give them a chance? Could the NAF deal with larger forces and more sophiscated war equipment? How many more refugees would be created?
What is the risk of the unknowns vs. the knowns?
I fear the election of the next more militaristic US president who has support in both US political corporate brand parties.
I also fear the desperation of the US economic elites. How far are they willing to go? How far are they willing to be reckless?
Please, all humanity will die a forest fire including Mother Russia. Carl Sagan told us yesterday and Steven Starr tells us today that once a nuclear war is released anywhere on the planet, the rest of us will perish.
Controlled and short term burns are the only means for survival for everyone.
An opening for political detente and a retreat from the Cold War must be negotiated and NOW before a more fascist US president gets elected. There are no winners in the first strike mindset. The US is rattling its nuclear sabers and Putin is rattling his. We must return to the nuclear freeze movement. Only a political solution will save humankind.
Anonymous JohnM said…@ 05 September, 2014 00:10
” Whether there is a ceasefire and the framework thereof (defacto defeat for Kiev) or not will open up a more “interesting” stage of the AngloZionist project collapse.”
The more opportunities the opponents open up, the more opportunities of making whoopee.
Pretzels are only three dimensional, I suspect some can operate in more without twisting.
^Just realised that the Daily telegraph hack was quoting the UN figures without actually saying so (perhaps a sub-editor added them in). But since he is reporting from Mariupola and has apparently seen but not captured on camera a lot of Russia soldiers, he ought to know better.
Meanwhile Ukraine reckon 2000 Russian soldiers have died – which would at least explain why they are so hard to photograph. I think every retreating Ukraine Unit is reporting that they ran into 1,000 fully armed russians, killed a hundred but then were forece to retreat. That is what I’d say, anyway.
It is not so much Russians creating a defeat for the Ukrainians, but defeat creating a 90% fictitious enemy.
~ von Junst aka Zhukov
You are an clown. Just the part that was hacked clearly states that Ukies had 1.600 killed and 4.732 wounded just from 9th to 15th July (and that is coming from a Ukie’s source, and signed by none other than ministers Avakov and Gritsnak themselves as you can see here:
https://tigr.net/2613/2014/07/20/the-casualties-in-ukraine-reality-check/). That said, how exacly did you come to a number of 8.000 dead Ukies up until now then? Is a circus clown you profession perhaps? You certainly have the talent.
Saker, quiet, please, although we are armchair warriors (for now, at least) all need more sleep, and although we are not at risk of being hit by a GRAD ( really I do not know what is this ), we could suffer a cardiovascular event and being blown away. And the informational warfare is important too, very important.
Saker, I see you speak again of the impending move of the blog, and wanted to ask, since I’ll be traveling from next week for a couple of weeks, if I may be joining the blog when I get back, if he had done the migration.
Where I go, I will not have internet access. A very high undeveloped place.
Kind regards.
re: China
@Alientech „Well at least the Chinese dont bully you. They are not all that much better than the American bosses but the Chinese do consider your culture and sensitivity. „
I have some reasons to believe that the Chinese mindset is different:
reason number 1: my personal experience.
After a 30-years good (and still ongoing) relationship with a Chinese family all of us have drawn the conclusion that their mindset is very different from ours. I do not want to repeat the detailed explanation that I posted ~1 week ago but the gist of our understanding was that the Chinese mindset respects only strength. They believe that they are not responsible for others, only for themselves and if somebody is weak he is automatically prey for them. And they consider their own feeling of racial superiority as patriotism. @ Larchmonter: I was very interested in your answer and I posted ~ the following reply: „You feel that you have met sensitive and caring people in the PRC: I believe that if you had come as a Tibetan or an Uighur your reception would have been very different.“
reason number 2: my experience with a Tibetan support organization.
I was for some years responsible for the newsbulletin of a Tibet-support organisation and I had access to a lot of information. I also met enough people who had visited Tibet itself and I visited Tibetan refugees in India myself. All these sources of information said the same thing, namely that China is colonizing a conquered country with extreme brutality. So far the PRC has sent 15 million Han to Tibet so that the Tibetans (6 million) have become a minority in their own country. The Tibetan culture, language and tradition is being purposely and completely destroyed, and the Tibetans who want to save their culture are being persecuted, shot, put into prisons and systematically tortured. This is known to all Tibet-supporting organisations in the world.
Reason number 3: two statistics.
You can probably imagine that I’ve been very interested in Chinese culture all of my life. And during my Tibet-support years I found out that the mindset of the Han of the PRC was very close to the mindset of the family that we befriended (btw they are a very interesting people – but extrmely dangerous too). But the 2 statistics I found very illuminating are the following which you can check at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_minorities_in_China :
– more than half of the the territory of the PRC is made up of conquered territories. You can convince yourself by having a quick look at the map of the „minorities languages“ or you can delve into their history.
– Now if more than 50% of the territories are conquered lands, what part of the population would you expect the minorities to be? You may look it up in the same article of Wikipedia or you may check it elsewhere: it’s around 8%. I’ll let you draw your own conclusions but I will add that this confirms my other personal experiences.
All comments are welcome.
These awesome Ukie defenses will stop all tanks from passing through this road:
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BwsjRl7IMAAqShw.jpg:large
It’s not as if you can drive around them or something. :P
Saker-
This man Zhukov informs you that English is not his first language. He tells you he is a reader and admirer of your blog. He is on the same side as you, and he was just trying to clarify a misunderstanding. Whether he was right or you were is irrelevant (certainly in the eyes of God). He acted politely and you blew up at him. You were wrong for doing so, and more wrong for compounding it by justifying yourself. Your readers can all see this and are cringing.
As a Christian, take a moment and calm down. Put yourself in the other’s place. Show some humility and apologize for your emotional outburst. You are trying to do too much in life right now and it is starting to show. Get the little things right and the big things will fall into place. Get the little things wrong, and everything will come crashing down. I only speak from the sadness of experience, not from hauteur.
With love, from a friend you have never met but who prays for you, and appreciates all the good work you have done.
Saker-
This man Zhukov informs you that English is not his first language. He tells you he is a reader and admirer of your blog. He is on the same side as you, and he was just trying to clarify a misunderstanding. Whether he was right or you were is irrelevant (certainly in the eyes of God). He acted politely and you blew up at him. You were wrong for doing so, and more wrong for compounding it by justifying yourself. Your readers can all see this and are cringing.
As a Christian, take a moment and calm down. Put yourself in the other’s place. Show some humility and apologize for your emotional outburst. You are trying to do too much in life right now and it is starting to show. Get the little things right and the big things will fall into place. Get the little things wrong, and everything will come crashing down. I only speak from the sadness of experience, not from hauteur.
With love, from a friend you have never met but who prays for you, and appreciates all the good work you have done.
Greetings Saker and everyone!
I have been extremely busy so I have not been able to keep up with your great articles.
When I get a chance I read them.
In this article , Saker, you wrote:
…”the artillery crews, which were shown videos of whom they murdered and of what they destroyed, they were confronted with their victims and sometimes they were ordered to work to rebuilt, as much as can be, the buildings which they had destroyed (some broke down in complete hysterics, by the way).”
Is there any video link. I would very much like to see it as this is quite interesting. If you have it please post it.
Thank you Saker. God bless you. Be well.
Regards to you and all,
Carmel by the Sea
Anonymous 18:15
I take your points. All worthy of lengthy discussion, in particular the convergence of many left/right positions and teh increasing irrelevance of the “traditional” left/right dividing lines.
However, your presentation of these ideas was based on your assumptions about my positions (regarding conservatives, disarming this country, etc.). I never expressed or implied any such views as you apparently impute to me, in teh course of my mentioning the possible utility of the notion of cultural persistence in looking into Ukraine’s crystal ball.
Regarding Pat Buchanan specifically, I always make a point of reading what he has to say and have done so since late 2002, when I realized, during the run-up to the Iraq invasion in 2002-3, that he was the only more or less mainstream commentator who questioned the whole madness from the get-go. He had at that time, perhaps still has a gig on the John McLaughlin Reports show (I don’t know because I don’t now have TV). McLaughlin, too, an arch-conservative, was an Iraq doubter. The rest were too intimidated or stoned on Kool-Aid to raise a voice in warning.
Katherine
PS The LRB responded to me (and here is the email address):
Dear Katherine —:
Perhaps you could tell us what you found embarrassing about our coverage? Keith Gessen was born in Moscow; James Meek spent almost a decade as the Guardian correspondent in Russia. Both are grownups.
The eds.
London Review of Books
28 Little Russell Street, London, WC1A 2HN
Tel: +44 (0)20 7209 1101
Fax: +44 (0)20 7209 1102
edit@lrb.co.uk
http://www.lrb.co.uk
Part 3a, on the LRB
Here is the piece written by my Russian colleague, dated March 28 of this year:
The issue of Crimea is not as simple as is shown by many commentators and editorial writers who represent Russia as an ugly aggressor abusing poor, democratic Ukraine. It is hard to believe that all of the 92 percent of Russians who supported the “annexation” of Crimea as a result of the Crimean referendum are really aggressive.
Probably most Americans do not know that the coup (or “revolution”—the term used does not matter) in Kiev was done by organized groups of thugs called “Banderovtsy.” They are named after Stepan Bandera, the leader of Ukrainian collaborationists with the Nazis during World War 2. Bandera’s bands engaged in punitive expeditions against the civil population of German-occupied areas in Belorussia, Ukraine, and Russia—work that German soldiers (many of whom were not Nazis and did not share the Nazi ideology) did not want to do. The Banderovsty often burned the populations of whole villages alive. The most famous such incident occurred in Khatyn, in Belorussia (http://khatyn.by/en/tragedy/). All the inhabitants of Khatyn—children, women, and the elderly—were rousted from their beds and driven into a wooden shed and burned alive or shot down if they managed to escape. Hundreds of villages were destroyed in such atrocious ways in the German-occupied territory of the USSR, and most of this “work” was done by the Ukrainian Banderovtsy.
LRB 3b, Moscow colleague continues . . .
The recent revolution in Kiev was made by the ideological grandchildren of Stepan Bandera, under Bandera’s slogan to kill all Russians, as well as Jews and Poles. During “peaceful” demonstrations in Kiev the young Ukrainian Nazis threw Molotov cocktails at policemen, some of whom were burned alive. The policemen could do nothing since they were under orders from Yanukovich not to use force. One of the first directives of the new Ukrainian authorities was to forbid the use of the Russian language in the whole territory of Ukraine (it was later rescinded).
Now it is extremely dangerous to go to Ukraine in a car with Russian plates. It is extremely dangerous to show that you are a Russian. My son’s physics schoolteacher lost her husband when he visited Kiev at the beginning of March. His son was living in Kiev and the father wanted to give his some money because, like a lot of other people in Ukraine, he had lost all sources of income. All private money transfers from “damned” Russia were blocked by the revolutionary authorities. So the father decided to help his son in person, and was killed by the Nazis in Kiev for no other reason than because he was a Russian. The official document from Kiev’s morgue stated the cause of death as a heart attack. It is impossible to believe that a fifty-seven-year-old man in very good health and no heart problems would suddenly died from a heart attack. Everyone who saw him lying in his grave could see the signs of a heavy beating on his face. How many thousands Russians have died in Ukraine during the last weeks from “heart attacks,” and how long will the violence against the Russians in Ukraine continue?
It is not surprising that in this situation the population of Crimea—58% Russian—decided to join Russia, with 97% among 82% of those who participated in the referendum voting to be annexed, and thus protected, by Russia. The main reason they voted the way they did was to ensure their own survival. In this volatile situation the Russian authorities simply had no choice but to support the Crimean referendum. By the way, there was no hint of “annexation” of Crimea ten years ago, under the Ukrainian revolution of 2004 that brought Yushenko to power and was truly peaceful. The case in 2014 is very different.
I understand the feelings of Americans who now criticize Russia for “invading,” but they do not know the full truth about Ukraine. I sympathize with Ukrainians and respect the will of those of them who want to join Europe. Unfortunately, they have no chance to find a path of normal development under a political regime with Nazis in power.
There are so many excellent comments on this long thread that I am sad to have to choose one or two to reply to. But here are some of my thoughts, and I think they pertain to the question Nora and Saker and others were dealing with, as to the possibility of a Ukraine united in Orthodoxy.
I have been thinking that Ukraine, or the Ukraine, to give it special status, has such a golden chance to be the continuum in which Europe meets and learns about Russia and conversely Russia meets and learns about Europe. That is, it could be a softer version of Europe for Russia, and a softer version of Russia for Europe, because each has so much to offer the other, whilst still maintaining their rich heritage – each!
This is minus oligarchs, minus tyrants, minus the darkest sides of human nature as it has been evidenced in both places! We are all human! But we all have so much to offer one another.
Now, Saker, your hackles go up at the thought of Orthodoxy ever cohabiting with Roman Catholicism, but I have seen it and participated in it and it can happen. New Mexico where I live is a divergence of cultures, but my church people, Orthodox put on in the past a full hour long concert of Orthodox music in the Cathedral in Santa Fe, where even Stravinsky once knelt to receive a papal knighthood!
Such honor between churches is indeed possible, and I am sure it happens all the time quietly other places as well, and between other churches, and that is what needs to happen – sure, there’re always divisions but when two great churches come together and learn from one another, and step back from moralizing against one another – maybe it’s not unification but it is a step in the right direction.
My last thought is that this blog is a blessing for all of us. Thank you, Saker.
Patagonian, here is a text I strongly recommend, if you don’t mind my intrusion on your request:
“Everyday Saints, and other stories” by Archimandrite Tikhon (available in paperback).
This lovely compendium will I think usher in newcomers to the Orthodox faith, usher them into the complexities, warmth and devotions of Russian monastics. Here is a poem from the translator’s forward:
“Our hermit fathers and our nuns blessed and blameless,
To let their hearts fly up into the heavens nameless,
To keep their spirits strong in storms of wind and war,
Composed a multitude of sacred hymns and lore.
But there’s not one of them which gives me so much comfort
As one prayer our priest repeats and utters
Upon the melancholy days of Lenten Fast.
Unbidden, more than other prayers does it pass
My lips, bracing my fallen soul with strength mysterious:
‘Lord of my days! Keep me from sloth that hides in bleakness,
From pride, greed, arrogance, and serpents therein hid,
Let not my tongue in idle gossip slip,
But Lord, show me my own faults and transgressions,
And may my brother never hear my condemnations,
May I for grace, patience, and love forever strive,
And wisdom’s innocence within my heart revive.
—Alexander Pushkin
@elsi:Saker, I see you speak again of the impending move of the blog, and wanted to ask, since I’ll be traveling from next week for a couple of weeks, if I may be joining the blog when I get back, if he had done the migration.
No worries, I will be double-posting on both sites (here and the new one) for at least a month and I will leave a clear last post here saying where to find the new one.
Have a safe trip!
Kind regards,
The Saker
Ops, this is huge. By commander Alexey Mozgovoy: “Who of so-called members of the government of the DPR and LPR has asked for the opinion of the militia that are losing their friends in battles or for the opinion of people who have lost their fathers, sons and daughters in this battle for the right to live free and choose their own way?! I think nobody has. All this looks like a farce…”
http://novorossia.today/novorossia-news/the-brigade-prizrak-ghost-commander-alex.html
Você é o cara! Sou um saker groupie!
Longa vida a você, meu caro!
@Also, how could the Kremlin fail to notice the rise of paramilitaries and not start some pro-Russian groups?
What if Russia took seriously the principle of non-interference in a state internal affairs, a principle of international law?
NotSoFast
So your experience with the Tibetan issue is second hand, though closely sourced.
Having no first hand experience with Tibet or Xinjiang I can’t comment about the people and their “oppression”.
I know that the Uyghurs are immigrants to Xinjiang. So, they share that with the Han.
Tibet was a slave society run by the monks. People there were chattel. Tibet now has double digit economic growth.
The Hans do put enormous pressure on language and organized religion. They do that with the groups in Beijing and Shanghai who are Catholic or Christian. It’s the paranoia of the Communist hardliners. It’s not cultural. It’s political.
Tibet has been saved by the Chinese. And Tibet is under pressure from the Chinese. But if the US was not trying to contain, agitate and overthrow the Chinese government, maybe the threat they see from Tibet would not be the reason for their strict rule. During the post-war years we trained in Colorado teams of Tibetans to go back and fight an insurgency. It never worked out.
The terrorist troubles in Xinjiang with the Uyghurs is very small, though expanding. Most of the Uyghurs now are going to be controlled more because of the jihadists. Langley runs the Uyghur separatist movement based in Munich and Virginia.
Up until this year the police in Xinjiang didn’t even carry weapons. That’s why so many were so easily killed in the last two years. So repression was not a factor for Uyghur unrest.
China and the Han Chinese protect tradition, ethnic cultures and exploit them for economic reasons of tourism. It can’t be as bad as some from the West indicate because the places are both being promoted for tourism. And the peoples are given enormous educational and social benefits like any Han gets.
China was a feudal land until 35 years ago. It is amazing all the progress. With the political realities, the Hegemonic pressure, the nature of the state government there are issues China must reform. They are trying.
Look at the documentation of Tibet’s prior society before the Communists took it over. It was like human kennels people lived in. Monks were the plutocrats. It’s on film, in photos and thoroughly documented. If all you hear is Richard Gere and the Dalai Lama, you don’t get the truth.
I’ll bet the NGO you worked for was bankrolled by Langley.
The US and Britain have been at China since 1949. They want regime change.
Well, now the rest of the world wants regime change in London and Washington. They see who the real monsters are.
I respect your experience and your point of view. I’m just offering another viewpoint, not an apology for Beijing or the Han. I tend to not like authority in any form, government is always tyrannical in some ways if not totally, and the Han are such a diverse and wide race I am sure they have every scale of good and evil.
In my business career I thought Jews were tough (and I’ve dealt with Israelis, too). But Chinese business people are the toughest. I chalk it up to both groups are survivors, learned to be ruthless and are thoroughly capable of piracy and grand larceny. Yet, I like them both. No hate. Just know what they will do if you don’t show strength (as you said in your comment.)
HI Saker !
Thanks again for your great writing and wonderful optimism…I hope you’re right and it sounds like you are….
I read somewhere yesterday that at a camp that was left by the Ukrainian army, needles were found…drug-abuse…
And its true in America too…the pharmaceuticals that the new army recruits are given on a golden spoon are profiting the oligarchs in this world…
Isn’t that horrible ???
If the losses really are as bad as you say then why isn’t there any video footage or photos of the 10’s of thousands of dead soldiers?
This is exactly as suspect as the phantom Russian military invasion for which there was no evidence either.
Where are the 10’s of thousands of wounded also? Clearly the Ukrainian military has collapsed but these numbers are just silly.
Saker !
this is too funny…!!! I’m right down at the bottom now !!!
Thanks for the laugh…you have the best site in the world….
Ann
Saker
I agree with Brian about moderating your posts…it will be good and a real step forward when you’ve got helpers moderating the post…
On the other hand, I will miss you reading all the posts, because I always feel that even if I’m really late with a post, that you’ll read it…
Dear Saker, we ‘westerners of Justice’ want to congratulate you and thank you for this staggering, awesome pieces of truth and revelational reports which can help us to awaken our people here, and rise hopes that one day we’ll bring down this zionist-led US control over our societies here – who have shattered our peoples under devastating liberal social warfare, intended to destroy family values and ultimately control us as their slaves.
God protect Ukraine and Russia.
Katherine @ 05 September, 2014 16:50
Since inception the CIA has funded/subsidised publications in the “cultural” sphere through cut offs to ensure plausible deniability.
This financing covers a spectrum within the linear scale of publications which criticise but do not seriously challenge US interests – safety valves being of particular use in this target market – people of self perceived importance like to feel participation as well as recognition. A similar charade is played in representative democracy.
As an example Animal Farm’s publication and marketing enjoyed the benefit of such support, especially the Ukrainian edition which was part of Gladio efforts fortunately undermined by Mr. Philby and others.
The influence is and has never been restricted to finance, but includes developing a notion of mutual interest leading to mutual identification, at least on the recipients’ part – succesful intelligence controllers keeping distance.
This technique is also used to attract/recruit assets in espionage.
Sometimes co-ordination of output takes place without instructions from the CIA; the publications inputing what is required.
Some of the recent co-ordination in the cultural field is:
http://www.nybooks.com/blogs/nyrblog/2014/sep/02/dying-russians/?insrc=wbll
http://www.nybooks.com/blogs/nyrblog/2014/sep/05/ukraine-catastrophic-defeat/?insrc=wbll
In the catastrophic defeat piece you will possibly note Judah’s emphasis on the fatness, a quite prevalent inference to lack of culture, lower classness, and not like usness, pulling the inferior/superior/otherness emotional triggers.
I suggest given the above it would be naive to expect LRB or others of such ilk to give you a response that was other than a combination of denial/delay/displacement.
Any positing of transparency on their part may be valid since transparency posits the abscence of obstacle to perception, and since they are immersed in their reality they may not perceive any obstacles.
I look forward to seeing a further datastream from them that can be used for other purposes.
Re main article
” I am absolutely convinced that the stupid Nazis really did it to themselves”.
It is comforting to note the use of unicausality beloved of the opponents, delivered with such certainty.
Likely Yarosh et al would not now agree whilst oscillating to the other end of the linear spectrum.
Katherine @ 05 September, 2014 23:06
Re ” Dear Katherine —:
Perhaps you could tell us what you found embarrassing about our coverage? Keith Gessen was born in Moscow; James Meek spent almost a decade as the Guardian correspondent in Russia. Both are adults “
September, 2014 23:06
The eds.
London Review of Books
28 Little Russell Street, London, WC1A 2HN
Tel: +44 (0)20 7209 1101
Fax: +44 (0)20 7209 1102
edit@lrb.co.uk
http://www.lrb.co.uk“
Mmm stage 1 putdown.
Lets follow W.C. Field’s advice and grab the bull by the tail and face the situation.
“Both are adults” – infering you aren’t.
” James Meek spent almost a decade as the Guardian correspondent in Russia” precisely where ? – normally Moscow and St. Petersburg which are in Russia but do not comprise the whole extent of Russia, or even contain the bulk of Russian people, but we don’t expect you to be smart enough to know this or work it out.
“Keith Gessen was born in Moscow;”
– we think you are stupid enough to think this of some significance.
“Perhaps you could tell us what you found embarrassing” – you ladies are creatures of emotions subject to embarrasment, not logic like what we are.
“Dear Katherine” – we use your first name in a professional response, to show we don’t take you seriously but think we can hide this by faux familiarity, in addition failing to end with a full name and job title, even abreviating The Editors.
Thank you for catalysing the datastream and hopefully you recognise the insecure response of small boys perhaps including girls delivered very unprofessionally.
Perhaps you understand that they are very bad at propaganda as well as joined up thinking – fortunately.
I see the same Russian mentality is still prevalent. its the Indians who are the problem, It is the Chinese who are the problem because they want to come out on top by destroying Russia.
I doubt you would find any Chinese or Indians who dont think very highly of Putin, maybe more so than many Russians I have met. But it is the same mentality that got them to this little place.
I would say good luck to the Russians. You see no matter what happens with Russia, most of the rest of the planet will be under the US or the EU or the Chinese anyway and they all behave the same way pretty much and differ only in degree. Even with Russians it is still a matter of degree but the main difference is they dont threaten, they just do. Americans like enjoy the torture and watch you suffer. But if you are the one suffering it makes very little difference to you..
I bet Putin has some of this very same mentality that the west is a lesser evil than the east.. Even though proven other wise.. Has China or India invaded Russia or tried to exterminate them? US learnt this and hence you see massive numbers moving there and helping the US become what is has. Heck they even use the Russians against Russia. It could also explain why Both China and India are more prepared than Russia in dealing with the west. They learnt the hard way since they were conquered and had to live under colonials. Lada Ray says Russia makes massive pivot to asia.. Yet this pivot wont be enough to stop the US when the going gets tough, they know that Russia will have misgivings and is only there because they are in a hard spot. Would you accept a friend someone because they are having a hard time with their old friends? Sure.. But you also wont loan them a lot of money because you dont really know how much of a friend this new guy is and what his commitment is.
No one should have ANY misgivings that even a limited nuclear strike wont wipe out large parts of the planets population no matter what. You dont need thousands of nukes to destroy the planet.. We see the effects of even accidents like fuki and cherno let alone iraq and bosnia.
VladTheFluffy says:
Dear Saker
I should add my voice to those who express their appreciation of your efforts here. Clearly a labour of love and personal integrity, not being willing to stay quiet in the presence of evil. Long may you keep doing this.
Most of the time I agree fully with your views. In the case of the ceasefire I’m not so sure. You said at 05 September, 2014 00:52 in answer to @123abc “Second, and this is what so many posters are simply not getting, people are dying every day and this massacre has to stop. It is all very well and brave to sit at a keyboard and declare that “we will fight to the last Ukrainian”, but it is quite different to be killed or maimed while doing the fighting.”
This is very reasonable. However is saving lives now at the potential cost of many more later justified? If so, going to war to resist aggression can’t ever be justified. Foch opposed signing the Armistice and the Versailles treaty saying: “This is not a peace. It is an armistice for twenty years”. How many lives would have been saved in 1939-45 if his view had prevailed? No one can tell for sure but the Nazis did use the “we were stabbed in the back” line as part of their campaign propaganda.
If you have your foot on your enemy’s throat it can be lethal to you to take it off. If you let him back up, he may take the opportunity to strike you when you are much less able to defend yourself. Failing to seize the opportunity can be as dangerous as becoming overextended. As others have pointed out, Mozgovoy for one is not happy at this, nor is Cassad. The latter hints that part of the reasons that Strelkov was removed was his desire for a “Greater Novorussia” rather than a “Greater Transnistria” which it appears other players favour, and are pushing now. Again, as others have observed, Vladimir Vladimirovich and his advisors see a lot more and on a much wider perspective than us and has been playing a blinder, so we must trust their and his judgment.
@Carmel by the Sea
Is there any video link. I would very much like to see it as this is quite interesting. If you have it please post it.
Thank you Saker. God bless you. Be well.
These may be of interest:
“Donetsk Militia’s *Shock Therapy* for Ukrainian Artillerymen 28 08 2014 – Eng Subs”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGoAkUSrAOI
“Ukraine Crisis – Militia gives a captured ukrainian lieutenant a tour of bombed Donetsk”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1yGA86bCls
Anonymous 16:50 said, among other things:
“Since inception the CIA has funded/subsidised publications in the “cultural” sphere through cut offs to ensure plausible deniability.”
Well, yeah, thanks for this startling info! Although I don’t follow “cutoffs.”
You then go on to reference “Animal Farm.”
And to reference an article at the NYT.
“In the catastrophic defeat piece you will possibly note Judah’s emphasis on the fatness, a quite prevalent inference to lack of culture, lower classness, and not like usness, pulling the inferior/superior/otherness emotional triggers.
I suggest given the above it would be naive to expect LRB or others of such ilk to give you a response that was other than a combination of denial/delay/displacement.
Any positing of transparency on their part may be valid since transparency posits the abscence of obstacle to perception, and since they are immersed in their reality they may not perceive any obstacles.
I look forward to seeing a further datastream from them that can be used for other purposes. ”
I have not read the catastrophic defeat piece.
I don’t see what any of this actually has to do with the LRB and its coverage of Ukraine, since no evidence has been offered actually about the LRB, or that the LRB is funded by the CIA.
Certainly some of the most incisive analysis of the US political scene that I have seen has been in the LRB.
Please, cite some actual evidence that relates to the LRB and the types of ties you insinuate that it has to the CIA, and not just “guilt by association” because the LRB is assumed to be a “such ilk” as some other publications (also not named).
Katherine
The “Nandemo Itte Iinkai” (“Say Whatever You Want Committee”), an Osaka-based political commentary TV program that has been popular for about six years in Japan and is carried on the Daiichi Terebi station on Sundays from 1:30 to 3:00 p.m. is, as I write this, discussing how to handle America’s inability to continue to police the world. The eight panelists were asked which countries they thought Japan should cultivate ties with, US/EU or Russia. Two answered Russia, one answered both, and five answered US/EU. Of the five, I didn’t catch what all had to say, but one noted the G7 would become the “G6” if Japan made overtures to Russia, and others were leaning toward open ties with America but quietly approaching Russia as well. One who went with Russia said he feared Russia more than America. (A shame my channel-surfing husband tuned in late!)
I have gotten a similar general impression out of the Japanese I have talked with about Russia. I.e., most recognize no real proof has been presented against Russia in the Ukraine conflict, and a few react habitually.
Earlier this week, I commented here that it was NHK (the Japanese national broadcasting system) showing a change of opinion about Russia. I was wrong. NHK has been relentlessly negative about Russia all week. I still think it was NHK that reported on the Ukrainian army’s use of white phosphorus on civilians two weeks ago, but that was a very short news clip. Not even my husband had the remote control then, so I am only assuming it was NHK.
Europe is apparently more skilled at keeping a lid on actual public sentiment. Perhaps they feel they have more to lose than Japan does. The racial divide is of possible significance.
Prime Minister Shinzo Abe’s new cabinet, announced a few days ago, contains two people with close ties to China. I take this as another sign of a shift in Japan’s sense of the balance of powers.
Zhukov again, for the last time:
Saker,
The original information of Ukranian losses comes from rebel sources, published in vk.strelkov.info and is consistent with earlier reports published in South Front. The data were compiled by Igor Fanarin
http://professorsblogg.com/2014/09/02/losses-of-poroshenkos-army-in-donbass-reaching-over-43000-people/
I edited the original list and added the information about equipment captured by the Novorussians, of wich there’s photoraphic indicator wich is indirect confirmation that the Novorussians reports and estimates are accurate, unlike the war propaganda of the junta.
Hope this is of help.
Regards.