By Eugenia for The Saker Blog
On May 19th, the member of the Ukrainian Parliament (Rada) Andrei Derkach revealed at a press conference tape recordings of the phone conversations between the then-President of Ukraine Petr Poroshenko and the then-US Vice-President Joe Biden. The conversations are in English and can be listened to here (1).
In and of itself, there is nothing at all remarkable that a President has had a number of phone contacts with a leader of a foreign power. The nature of the conversations themselves, however, is nothing short of astonishing. It is like listening to a subordinate reporting to his superior. Although I never had a slightest doubt – not since the coup in 2014 – that Ukraine is totally under the US control still a servile attitude and obvious desire to please on the part of the President Poroshenko struck me as peculiar. The revelations created quite a stir in Ukraine leading, among other things, to the open investigation of the former President for high treason and abuse of power.
In contrast, the information received minimal attention in the US. The Washington Post published an article saying that the tapes do not prove that Biden did anything wrong. Well, as the WP itself noted, the tapes show that Biden linked a $1 billion loan guarantees to Ukraine to the dismissal of then-prosecutor general Victor Shokin, which is, or course, not a big deal by the WP standards. But doesn’t this remind you of something? Something that Trump was accused of – like linking the aid to Ukraine to the investigation of Burisma, the Ukrainian company where the son of Joe Biden was so gainfully employed? It sure does, and WP was one of the most vehement accusers.
Intriguing as the tapes were, they were not the most interesting part of that momentous press conference. There was another person present – Konstantin Kulik who was the special prosecutor charged with the investigation of corruption by Yanukovich, the former President of Ukraine ousted by the Maidan coup in February of 2014. Kulik read a short statement in bad Ukrainian close to the end of the press conference. The content of that statement is so remarkable that is deserves a lot more attention it has so far received. Perhaps, precisely because it is so explosive, it is carefully not mentioned in Ukraine or the US.
After Maidan in 2014, Kulik was put in charge of the investigation into the money stolen by former President Yanukovich and his gang initiated under the new President Poroshenko. The total amount stolen by Yanukovich and his accomplices was estimates at $40 billion, which is huge by the Ukrainian standards. The Kulik team has succeeded in identifying some of the bank accounts in Yanukovich’s name apparently where the stolen money was kept. But after that, the story started to turn interesting. Kulik said that his team encountered a stiff resistance to his investigative effort on the part of former U.S. ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovich, U.S. charge d’Affaires in Ukraine George Kent, and FBI Special Representative for Eastern Europe Karen Greenway. Ultimately, the pressure brought on Ukraine by the US lead to the ouster of the prosecutor general Victor Shokin and the appointment of a new person to that position (which is discussed by Poroshenko and Biden starting at 6:20).
The new prosecutor general was Yuri Lutsenko. Well, here the good old Joe sure made a mistake. But likely anyone in his place would have made the same mistake. Lutsenko looked like an idiot, spoke like an idiot – and everyone assumed he WAS an idiot. Besides, he lacked a law degree or any education even remotely related to the law. As a compensation, he had plenty of practical experience with the law enforcement, for he did time for corruption. Lutsenko truly looked like a perfect candidate for the position. Unfortunately for Biden and Co, he proved to be a lot smarter than anyone expected and continued the investigation into the Yanukovich’s money. He even had the temerity to ask what happened to $7 billion of the money Ukraine foolishly invested in Franklin Templeton hedge fund, which simply vanished. Lutsenko intended to go to the United States to discuss the matter with the FBI leadership and ask for help in the return of the money to Ukraine. Naturally, the Ambassador Yovanovich deftly blocked that silly move: the poor guy was denied the US entry visa. Then things in Ukraine started getting uncomfortable for Lutsenko, so he resigned his position and left the country for the UK under the pretext of needing to improve his command of English. He did not, however, forget to take the documents related to his investigation into the Yanukovich’s money with him. That was the material he later turned over to Rudi Giuliani. Rudi so far showed the American people just the tip of the iceberg but the mainstream media has promptly dismissed everything he said.
But let us return to the Kulik’s statement. According to him, Biden, Yovanovich, Kent, and Greenway did everything possible to block the investigation into Yanukovich and his associates directly involved in money laundering operations, and they did so in coordination with the office of the President Poroshenko. As Kulik put it, Biden, Poroshenko, George Kent, Karen Greenway acted “to redistribute the assets of the Yanukovich clique”. This was done by buying and selling shares of Yahya Group Holding, Ukrainian State treasuries, etc. The money was laundered via the offshore accounts of Burisma, that very same holding that employed the Biden’s son. In particular, the Kulik’s investigation uncovered that in 2014-2015 $3.4 million had been transferred to the account of the American-based Rosemond Seneca firm in the Morgan Stanley Bank, NY. These funds were labeled “consulting fee” to the former US Vice-President Biden, but in reality for lobbying the interests of Burisma Holdings.
The newly appointed, after Lutsenko, prosecutor general, Ruslan Ryaboshapka, was finally the right person for the job. Directed by the US Embassy, he promptly fired the prosecutors involved in the investigation – illegally, of course – and transferred the proceeding to National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine (NABU), the structure created by the US and totally controlled by the Americans. Kulik himself was removed from the investigation after he had issued a subpoena for the Ambassador Yovanovich. As a result of all these actions, the investigation into the fate of the money appropriated by Yanukovich and his associates came to a standstill, which, apparently, was the goal all along.
So, Trump now has compromising material on the Dem leadership. Will he use it? Probably not, unless he has to, for it is a double-edged sword. But if he is desperate, he might. In this case, the American public will learn in detail how the money stolen from Ukraine by its corrupt leaders, former and current, came to line the pockets of VIP Democrats.
Great article for all those who wondered why Ukrainians and Americans serving in Ukraine were all intent on pointing to Russia, pointing to Trump, pointing to Trump people for these three+ years.
The Dems, the Obama administration, the Clinton group including both Podesta brothers and their organization, all feasted at the trough of Kiev. Billions taken from the people, disappeared. Literal thievery.
It was evident to those of us who follow these people and their operations from the moment the attacks on Trump’s campaign surfaced.
Congress has had all the names, all the facts. They did nothing even when the Republicans had the majority.
The FBI knows. But they were corrupt also.
The DOJ knows. Corrupted also.
Rudy has the facts but he has been shut down.
The amounts of money are staggering. Basically, the Ukraine treasury was emptied by these crooks.
A Ukrainian member of parliament was shot dead in his office. He was an independent. Not Jewish like those in control of this county and those from the USA who financed and organized the fake color revolution of 6 years ago.
https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/ukrainian-lawmaker-found-dead-in-central-kyiv.html
I guess it is a message to other politicians to keep in line. Of course, the assassin left his weapon next to his victim.
I listened to the entire YouTube snippet (~ 30 min) which consists of several recorded conversations between Poroshenko and Biden/Kerry. As could be imagined, Poroshenko comes across as a sell-out and a silly plaything as the Pindos micro-manage his ”decision-making”. But wasn’t that exactly what the Ukros were asking for?
This is not what we were asking for, I can assure you. Both Poroshenko and Yuschenko, pro-western politicians are very unpopular in Ukraine. Their popularity is in single digits. I remember visiting Ukraine in 2012, and I saw just how unpopular Yuschenko was. Amazing how he went from Hero to Zero. I have talked to my friend in Ukraine, and he told me few months before Maidan that people were getting tired of corruption. I sensed anger in his voice. I admit the empire took advantage of the discontent. One of the greatest strengths of the empire is control of narrative. It is not confined to Ukraine. I was surprised to find, for example that there is a significant pro US faction in Vietnam. Especially given US atrocities during Vietnam war which is still within living memory. And I often wondered why Japan, remarkable culture can still be US closest ally, in spite of the fact that US dropped atomic weapons, not to defeat Japan, which was about to surrender, but just to send message to the USSR. Anglo Zionists perfected propaganda to the state of the art.
I will say this: it is painful to see my country go down like this.
As implied in your article, Yanukovich is no longer involved w/these $40B funds. So it would seem that the accounts have been ‘seized’ and are being, at least in part, distributed to the pirates mentioned. From what I know about St. Rudy, the mayor of 9-11, I assume he’s looking for his cut of the spoils.
Regarding “The colonial status of “The Independent Ukraine” publicly confirmed”
Well, thank you for the leaked tapes, it revealed a lot on american/ukrainian affairs, hardly any news but significant confirmation.
The colonial status of Ukraine was publicly confirmed during the coup d’etat. We probably all remember “Fuck the EU” Yatsenyuk is our prime minister”, “Nuke the Russians”, Killing of local admistrations, “Bomb the children and schools, keep them into their cellars, we will win this war” (Porsohenko speech), concentration camps planned by Pentagon (RAND), murder, mass graves, shooting of civilians while phospor bombing and invading the villages, it was all agreed policies with America, it was the american attack on Ukraine.
So Burisma is a lot more than personal corruption by Joe Biden and John Kerry, the larger corruption of the Rothschild syndicate and its actions in Ukraine were at risk. Burisma was set up to divert the proceedings from the gas production out of the country into the hands of the corporations that set it up as an offshore company in Cyprus. Biden/Kerry is but an isignificant part in the larger picture. Therefore a billion dollars were in the balance of stopping the corruption charges against Burisma, it was a corruption against Ukraine on a large scale. So first pres. Poroshenko changed the laws so that the prosecutor general could not prosecute anything related to such corporations directly, and thus was blocked from doing so by Poroshenko. Then the new Ukrainian anti corruption bureau was set up so that it was controlled by the international corporatiions that was controlled by the Americans, it was a George Soros bureau in reality. So the corruption is total. And of course Ukraine is a total american quiqmire of the robber barons who run America. And they run the Bidens and Kerrys .
One more Western created sick man. The good news only arrived when Russia fired the first Kalibr missiles from the Caspian Sea. Some resistance to this pervers state of affairs were born.
Even if Trump releases the info (which I wish he would),it won’t help. The only media to report on it will be those supporting Trump,about 10% of the US media.And they are hamstrung by legalisms. They will have people on their shows to “show the other side” and they will lie and deny.While the other 90% will say its lies made-up by Trump’s camp to discredit Biden.They won’t have people on the other side to defend the evidence.And even if they did they would just shout them down like they’ve done for 4 years on Russiagate. The bottom line will be those that support Trump will hear about it,at least somewhat.Those that hate Trump won’t even hear about it mostly,and those few that do will believe their media that its a lie.If Trump is reelected (debatable) maybe some of those involved will be held accountable,also debatable. But if Biden and his stooges win,then all that will go in the trashcan and no one except maybe those who reported about it will be punished.
You have taken the bait hook lime and sinker just as they planned that you would,it use to be the black on white issue that was used to divide the people and now its the reds vs blue that’s replaced it,now Trump is,has and will remain along with his son-in-law who was groomed by Murdock have always been the most corrupt pair on the planet, as they play their phony games of bickering and and arguing,which even you should see the signs of the game as the 1% reaped billions off the virus, this goes along with the huge tax cut that he gave himself and the 1%,Strange when you bring up that huge tax cut for him and the wealthy everything goes dead quite,!!!!
Some good news out of this is that bad jew kolomoisky is fighting another bad jew $oro$.
Some think k leaked the conversations because he hasn’t got ‘his’ privatbank bank back, it has allegedly been blocked by the usg.
Bravo! Thanks Eugenia
What’s actually so cute are these humanistic vultures like a Franklin Templeton hedge fund that just disappeared? The steal from each other. Scum eats scum so to say.
I really think that the shamelessness of criminal pigs is becoming increasingly frivolous. Now it’s not very difficult to find out where they are, but it’s harder to deprive the pigs of their stolen booty, that would be racist… anti-juhuu or something.
These criminal thugs are now in every society and should be brought for their own safety in their reservate, which has a large fence is built around with signs every 50 meters ” Caution Zoo! Please do not feed”. Sanctions will do the Rest. And neighbors will have their peace as well.
You assume that anyone will care.
The MSM will do its damnedest to make sure that any allegations, evidence or testimony are well and buried.