It appears that the Russians got tired of waiting. I suggest that you all carefully parse the Statement of the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs I posted earlier today. This is an interesting document because besides an explanation of the Russian decision to move it, it is also, potentially, a legal defense or an unprecedented Russian decision: to overtly violate the Ukrainian sovereignty. Let me explain.
First, the case of Crimea was also a “special case”. The Russian were legally present there and, in the Russian rationale, all the “Polite Armed Men in Green” did was to protect the local population to make it possible for the latter to freely express its will. Only after that will was expressed did Russia agree to formally re-incorporate Crimea into Russia. So from the legal Russian point of view, none of the Russian actions in Crimea included any form of violation of Ukrainian sovereignty. I know, most western analyst will not agree, but that is the official Russian stance. And official stances are important because they form the basis for a legal argument.
Second, the aid which Russia has been sending to Novorussia has been exclusively covert. Covert operations, no matter their magnitude, do not form the basis for a legal position. The official position of Moscow has been that not only was there absolutely no military aid to Novorussia, but even when Ukie artillery shells landed inside Russia did the Kremlin authorize any retaliation, again in (official) deference to the Ukrainian national sovereignty.
This time, however, there is no doubt at all that the Russians did deliberately and officially chose to ignore Kiev and move in. Now, in fact, in reality, this is clearly the logically, politically and morally right thing to do. But in legal terms, this clearly a violation of Ukrainian sovereignty. From a legal point of view, the Ukies had the right to keep the Russian convoy at the border for another 10’000 years if they wanted and Russia had no legal right to simply move in. What apparently happened this morning is that the Ukie officials did not even bother showing up, so the Kremlin just said “forget it!” and ordered the trucks in.
Not only did the Russians move in, but they did that without the ICRC whose personnel refused to go because of the lack of security guarantees from Kiev. The Russian response to that lack of security guarantees was a) to order this unarmed convoy in and b) to clearly state in the official statement:
We are warning against any attempts to thwart this purely humanitarian mission which took a long time to prepare in conditions of complete transparency and cooperation with the Ukrainian side and the ICRC. Those who are ready to continue sacrificing human lives to their own ambitions and geopolitical designs and who are rudely trampling on the norms and principles of international humanitarian law will assume complete responsibility for the possible consequences of provocations against the humanitarian relief convoy.
Again, from a logical, political or moral point of view, this is rather self-obvious, but from a legal point of view this is a threat to use force (“complete responsibility for the possible consequences”) inside the putatively sovereign territory of the Ukraine.
The US and their main agent in Kiev, Nalivaichenko, immediately and correctly understood the threat: not only did this convoy bring much needed humanitarian aid to Lugansk, it also provided a fantastic political and legal “cover” for future Russian actions inside Novorussia. And by “actions” I don’t necessarily mean military actions, although that is now clearly and officially possible. I also mean legal actions such as recognizing Novorussia. From their point of view, Obama, Poroshenko, Nalivaichenko are absolutely correct to be enraged, because I bet you that the timing, context and manner in which Russia moved into Novorussia will not result in further sanctions or political consequences. Russia has now officially declared the Ukie national sovereignty as “over” and the EU will probably not do anything meaningful about it.
That, by itself, is a nightmare for Uncle Sam.
Furthermore, I expect the Russian to act with a great deal of restraint. It would be stupid for them to say “okay, now that we violated the territorial integrity of the Ukraine and ignored its sovereignty we might as well bomb the junta forces and move our troops in”. I am quite confident that they will not do that. Yet. For the Russian side, the best thing to do now is to wait. First, the convoy will really help. Second, it will become a headache for the Ukies (bombing this convey would not look very good). Third, this convoy will buy enough time for the situation to become far clearer. What am I referring to here?
The Ukie plan has been to present some major “victory” for the Sunday the 24, when they plan a victory parade in Kiev to celebrate independence day (yup, the US-controlled and Nazi-administered “Banderastan” will celebrate its “independence”… this is both sad and hilarious). Instead, what they have a long streak of *very* nasty defeats during the past 5-6 days or so. By all accounts, the Ukies are getting butchered and, for the first time, even pushed back (if only on a tactical level). That convoy in Luganks will add a stinging symbolical “f**k you!” to the junta in Kiev. It will also exacerbate the tensions between the ruling clique in power, the Right Sector and Dmitri Iarosh and the growing protest movement in western Ukraine.
Bottom line: this is a risky move no doubt, probably brought about by the realization that with water running out in Luganks Putin had to act. Still it is also an absolutely brilliant move which will create a massive headache for the US and its Nazi puppets in Kiev.
The Saker
PS: I heard yesterday evening that Holland has officially announced that it will not release the full info of the flight data and voice recorders of MH17. Thus Holland has now become an official accomplice to the cover-up of this US false-flag operation and to the murder of the passengers of MH17. This is absolutely outrageous and disgusting I and sure hope that the Malaysian government will not allow this. As for Kiev, it is also sitting on the recording of the communications between the Kiev ATC and MH17. Finally, the USA has it all through its own signals intelligence capabilities. So they all know and they are all covering up. Under the circumstances, can anybody still seriously doubt “who done it”?
“…when they plan a victory parade in Kiev to celebrate independence day…”
Victoria Nuland can be their Grand Marshall.
Dear Saker,
sorry for my English (I’m Italian) and for being off-topic: what can you tell me about Ol’ga Kulygina? I saw a very powerful image of her with a machine gun (in the streets of Donetzk, it was said), the story of her capture and half followed a conversation (my Russian is not good, having studying it back in the ’80s) she had with Borodaj about facts in Moscow in 1993. Well, I know it’s kind of romantic, but she appears to me sort of a tough heroin.
Thanks.
Enzo
Post scriptum: I was intrigued by your parallelism between Ussr in the ’80s and Usa now; tiredness, I would say; I was in Moscow in 1987 and I felt a strong disillusion in Russian youth – the same I see in Italy now.
WizOz
“Interesting thoughts about the Soviet ‘elites’. But it would be much more clear if we would not continue to shy to name those ‘elites’ by their proper name. Berezovsky, Gusinski, Khodorkovski, Nemtsov, Gaidar &Co were all members of the chosen tribe”
The sad thing is that we all know that “those who know don’t talk, those who talk don’t know”. In the same way, we all know that the narrative of the 9/11 events, like the Kennedy assassinations, etc, is a movie for the masses, but “we” collectively still discuss that movie instead of the 9/11 truth, etc.
In the same way, Berezovsky, Gusinski, Khodorkovski, Nemtsov, Gaidar &Co impersonate the fiction, they are the actors for hire playing in the movie of the “Soviet Union Collapse”. The real action and the real personalities behind, like the Wiz of Oz, are not known to the public. The Soviets learned from the Anglo corporate shadow shareholders, to stay in the shadows. What you see is not the real thing.
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@ elsi said at 23 August, 2014
https://euskalherriadonbas.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/altsasu.jpg
Please can you link to a higher resolution of this poster?
This image is just good for a screen presentation
Printing in this resolution results in a very ugly image.
Thanx,
Feng
Dear The Saker,
en.itar-tass.com/russia/746351
UN Security Council meeting piece – Russia confirms Kiev did give the ok. US and Co. looking more and more stupid. Russia has also slammed down Foggy’s NATo rant calling it a lie – strong language…
All trucks have all returned to Russia – so what’s the problem? ;)
Rgds,
Veritas
Some people are trying to gather all informations about MH-17 crash here :
– Timeline of events :
https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17/Timeline
– Facts / Investigation / Analysis :
https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17
Perhaps there’s already a (better) Wiki like this somewhere else. I thought, I’ll just pass the information.
A place to gather ALL data regarding this crash and so that Justice couldn’t be avoided. Even for the propagandist MSM (how come they could LiE like that?).
Mulga,
Yes. You nailed it. But I categorically refuse to believe there is no way out of this miserable status quo that won’t leave whatever remains of the planet glowing in the dark. We just haven’t figured it out yet, but time’s a-wasting. But all those years of teevee watching have left people passive, inert, and pretty much unaccustomed to thinking things through for themselves: much easier to swallow your guru’s words whole and condemn “those guys” than step back and see that we’re all in this together and need to get crackin’.
AGS,
Yup. The way your son was treated was pretty typically nasty; I’m really sorry for him but you know, it was probably a damned good life lesson; if he didn’t “get it” before, I’ll bet he sure does now! I’m still shuddering though about that five-member SWAT team coming out for a fraud case, when all that was required would have been one single detective. God, that’s horrifying!!! If that’s SOP we’re really in deep doo-doo. I have a question, though. I posted it on the other thread but you’ve probably not been back there so I’ll ask it now. I’ve puzzled for some time now at your use of Bolshevik when referring to folks I think of as obnoxious, self-serving Neoliberal elites sucking the life out of not just the Ivies but schools all over the country. But it finally occurred to me tonight that maybe you don’t mean Bolshevik literally, (because they’re hardly Communist, and most of them aren’t even all that Liberal for that matter), but that by using that terms maybe you mean destructive parasites doing to this country now just what they did to Russia way back when. Am I right on that/have I got it? Because if so, I couldn’t agree more! ;~)
Saker,
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/merkel-verspricht-ukraine-500-millionen-euro-kreditbuergschaft-a-987724.html
Merkel wans to give 500mio to Ukraine. The commenters are all furious! Not one comment supports her decision. They say that Germany needs the money for itself, no money for oligarchs, some even say no money for fascists, and some even say that Merkel is guilty of treason.
As always when the Germans have to pay, then they finally react. Let’s hope that this will finally motivate the German people to act and go to the streets.
Кrollchem, the convoy song was hilarious. Thanks. Just wanted to tell you that. :-)
Merkel mates with Satan:
Angela says the humanitarian aid convoy is a dangerous escalation. Imagine if doctors came to help the wounded? That would be a gross violation of international order.
Up is down. Morality is a crime.
Give them death and destruction—the EU, NATO and US. They want the perverse, the demonic.
But it all makes sense. The Serpent has control of the Garden.
WOOOOW…. Looks like the poles are breaking.. Similar to how the ukie psych broke after Crimea. This is where the pain is just too unbearable and you start to vacillate between self destructive behaviors and self immolation. Once it starts you can expect more and more insane rantings from those in power about why the problems the masses are facing is due to issues out of their control and because evil is trying to infiltrate their peaceful community.
“The Russian ruble should stop being a convertible currency, the ruble should be excluded from international financial turnover,” RIA quotes Czarnecki speaking at Poland’s parliament.
Czarnecki also proposed to cut supplies of Russian energy, as well as control transit of Russian gas to Europe.
On another note this is why Putin will never invade Ukraine! It follows very similar to what happened in the india/pakistan war of 71.. The US was the cork in there as well. The Chinese were chess mated by General winter. The similarity are just striking. But while India did invade e.pakistan, they left as fast as they moved in. The people they helped liberate hated india for almost 2 decades as well. And even now they blame india for all their problems. Putin has been planning for this for a decade.
http://cassad-eng.livejournal.com/65151.html
@Rootman
Sure Schlomo (X3) nice try, i don´t speak Zionazi….
The Novorossiyans continues to have the upper hand, check out Brad Cabanas twitter.
Dear 123abc @13:28, 23 August
Re: German public furious at Merkel proposal to give the Kiev Mafia 500Million Euros.
Wasn’t it the same German public that voted that mediocre pervert/lesbo-pedo (Merkel) back into power? The same Merkel that sunk the German taxpayers into the derivatives quagmire and the bad debt rescue obligations to Greece and other imploding Eurozone bantustans (like Spain, Ireland, Portugal, etc.)?
If the German public was stupid enough to vote for her a second time (bad enough that they voted for her the first time!) then they have no right to get angry for her decision to give their money away. —>No, the German public must learn to take the buggering they asked for with dignity – and that means no complaining for their own stupid decision.
In a democracy you get the government you deserve.
It behooves the German public to be more vigilant when choosing their leaders, given the disastrous track record of previous German leaders (Kaiser Inbred the IInd, Hitler), you’d think, by now, the German public would be more proactive, discerning and tougher in choosing their leader.
I feel sorry for those Germans that are aware of the true nature of their governments and have taken the responsible decision to learn the truth for themselves (via the internet): perhaps people like yourself. I hope more and more of you take the responsibility of waking up as many people as possible.
Maybe then you folks will elect leaders that are shrewder and more responsible in foreign policy and finance.
Off topic, Slavyangrad.org just published a very interesting interview with Ukrainian General Vladimir Ruban, currently working as hostage negotiator for people being held captive in Eastern Ukraine.
http://slavyangrad.org/2014/08/23/general-ruban-my-job-is-to-free-people-from-all-sides/
Anonymous said…
‘ Victoria Nuland can be their Grand Marshall. ‘
23 August, 2014 11:30
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It now occurred to me why Mrs. Nuland could not possibly choose Vitali Klitschko to be President of Ukraine, just using the first 4 letters of his last name.
It is also clear, in case of Arseniy Yatsenyuk, why she had to choose 4 letters of his last name, rather than the first one.
Regards, Spiral
Serbian translation of this blog entry:
http://www.magacin.org/2014/08/23/the-saker-znacaj-ruske-odluke-da-humanitarni-konvoj-udje-u-novorosiju/
According to public information, Ol’ga Kulygina may have been detained by SBU when Strelkov was in Slavyansk, and finally released in exchange for Bezler’s 17 hostages from Gorlovka. Search online for ‘Kremlin Leaks’ and ‘Christo Grozev’.
Meta: at this point of the conflict, it’s hard to avoid the feeling that we are witnessing an elaborately staged event. And that indeed, Putin is a long-term Soviet mole, Merkel works for the FSB, Obama and Poroshenko work for Merkel (although there are several conspiracy stories about Obama’s links to Soviet intelligence directly, either via one of his putative ‘fathers’ or otherwise). The whole morality play of WWII has been resurrected, along with Soviet glory, White Russian nationalism, the Black Army, real Nazis . . . I mean, it’s hard to imagine that we are witnessing a theatrical event, but on the other hand, it could not be more dramatic. The entire fabric of Western civilization, postmodern discourse, the future of the non-West, etc. has been called into question around this conflict.
Now there is a ‘third force’ fighting in Ukraine, according to a high ranking general (see slavyangrad.org) and also being hunted by the militia. US JSOC? Spetnaz GRU? Only Russia (or Soviet Russia and Soviet Ukraine) could have prepared the ground for a such a conflict. Certainly the conflict was long anticipated by Russian and Soviet planners – and publically predicted after Brezinski-sponsored Obama’s election.
Whatever the case, it’s pretty extraordinary. Maybe it has all the unreality of a prepared event, but by historical coincidence, is unfolding with all the reality of an unprepared event whose time was waiting to come.
Fwd from Canuckistan:
The CBC has been reporting that the aid convoy has left but have added a new narrative. They are claiming that the Ukie’s are claiming that the truck, one emptied, were loaded with manufaturing equipment from 2 different factories before leaving. One factory manufactured military radar equipment, (Torez?) and the other manufactured small arms rounds, (Luhansk?). Other than that the “reports” seem to be attempting to massage the narrative that quickly disintegrated yesterday.
Not sure if this is available on the site due to a couple of factors yet but it’s the weekend and they run looped news in 3-4 hour blocks ’till Monday am and the on-air reports take a lot of time before they are posted online which makes it difficult to reconcile what is heard by way of visual means. This play is rather psychological in nature, playing what one hears against what one sees and typically the two do not jive via the weekend CBC loop factor. So if anyone has access to the CBC News Network, take a peek and if someone notices an “article” online, please share..
has anybody checked this? http://vk.com/strelkov_info
8/22 has some gory photos of civilians who got murdered in the street of luhansk.. looks like some were simply gunned down. the kiev forces are absolute nazi trash
Ann, Could you please give the title of the post about the French comedien? Thanks! pat
Yvonne,
Wow, what a piece; it should be required reading for everyone at all interested in what’s being done to Ukraine! That man is level-headed, dedicated and seems to see things quite clearly. And this part is absolutely fascinating: Just. Like. Maidan. and frankly, given ISIS, it sounds quite familiar indeed. Sixth-generation warfare, perhaps. Or something.
GR: No. Infrastructure has been destroyed, so it will not work. Ukrainians are hard-working, competent people. Top-notch engineers; and in Donetsk there is still one of the elite universities of Ukraine—the Polytechnic Institute.
UP: It was hit by a shell recently…
GR: This is a serious question: whose shell? There is some third party—we now call it thus—which scatters these shells and makes it look like one or the other side.
UP: Who is the “third party”?
GR: I do not know yet, I do not possess such information. We call it the third party. Bezler calls it the third party, and in Donetsk they call it the same. They are searching for it. Looking out for what kind of saboteurs are there.”
This just reeks of Neocon Central. And, to enter a purely speculative realm, given the facts that a) the bombing coordinates require satellite imagery; b) to date little if any of the elite housing in Novorossiya has been hit; and c) the Zionist entity has known and lamented for some time that they face, ahem, an upcoming demographic challenge in addition to their self-created neighborhood hostility problem… might they not in fact be preparing a safe landing, just in case? There was a piece proclaiming this in some Israeli paper on the (disgustingly hate-filled) holiday of Purim, but it was presented as a joke… ha ha ha
Dear God, I hope I’m wrong. As deeply as I detest the State of Israel, I really don’t want to believe any human beings can be that psychopathic. Except, of course, they’re doing the exact same thing in Gaza and the Occupied Territories. Not a good way to make friends; never was and never will be. If one cares about friends, that is.
Washington officials, declaring the new cold war on Russia, do not realize that we have been studying their logic for a quarter of a century, and we can work in synch with the State Department now. In Russia, there are many specialists, who understand the logic of the United States.
http://english.pravda.ru/russia/politics/22-08-2014/128344-russia_usa_cold_war-0/
“Merkel wans to give 500mio to Ukraine. The commenters are all furious! Not one comment supports her decision.”
It is obvious that there are not many German speakers here. First, Merkel or EU rather, is not giving a single dime… it is about “Buergschaften”, meaning loangarantees. In other words: the EU is not even providing loans, just garantees to banks. Furthermore, the money (garantees rather) is intended for Donbass, to “rebuild the country”. But there need to be peace first. Furthermore, money will only flow if all parties involved, ***including Russia***, have reached an agreement. In other words, it will take ages before the first euro of these “500 million” will enter Ukraine, if ever.
Remember those Ukrainian missiles Russia shot down a little while ago? Apparently we were testing Russia’s missile defense system, and apparently we got quite a surprise.
http://en.voicesevas.ru/news/yugo-vostok/2837-ukrainian-ballistic-missiles-were-shot-down-by-the-russian-missile-defence-system.html
I expect the (sane parts of) the Pentagon have lost a bit of their itch for war with Russia. But then again, the problem isn’t those who might not be psychopaths, but rather, with those who are, as well as those subject to bribery or threats. I’m also wondering if there is in fact a non-zero percentage of people anywhere in the corridors of power in D.C. with the intestinal fortitude to challenge The Evil Ones. And I’m guessing no.
“One can jump High or Low, the Neocon’s lie worked and that’s what count. Everybody in The Netherlands and the rest of the world under the MSM umbrella – apart from some freaks – believe that Putin, The Sovjets or the Rebels did it.”
That is absolutely not true, not for my country, the Netherlands. The government has been very carefull to avoid fingerpointing. In the internet forums, the clear majority suspects Kiev. The media went from ‘rebels did it’ to silent. And despite the severe effects of the boycots for the Dutch economy, there is absolutely no Russia bashing mood.
Kind regards,
Dutch
It’s an interesting article on http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/Eastern Ukraone Pople’s Republic Between Militias and Oligarch.
Saker you additional comment about Hollands refuse to release data of the plane and all the EU countries silence about what s going on in East Ukraine. Sometimes I feel as if you were fighting against a monster with several arms you cut one but then shows up with 2 or 3 more instead. It feels rather hopeless. As I wrote before better the BRICS (specially China) are synchronized in this one or they will be destroyed one by one. Well not necessarily, the empire and its pack will destroy first Russia and then China and then the end of all of us.
The basis of the 8th International Brigade to fight in the Ukraine: Sixteen-year-old Carlos Javier Palomino died on the spot in the station of Legazpi after being stabbed in the heart. Another 19-year-old male received a stab wound to the chest, which caused his lung to collapse. He was taken in critical condition to hospital. Another youth was shot in the eye later by police Others sustained lesser injuries.
The young people were travelling in a group with the intention of stopping a demonstration organised by the ultra-right-wing party “Democracia Nacional” in Usera, a working class district where many immigrants live. The demonstration was extremely provocative, called under slogans such as “Against anti-Spanish racism” and “Against immigration.” It had been authorised by the Madrid government and was protected by hundreds of policemen. The fascist Frente Nacional (National Front) later held another protest against immigrants, with the slogan “For your security and that of your family.”
After the stabbing, 24-year-old Josué Estébanez de la Hija, an Army soldier serving in the King’s Immemorial Regiment, was pursued and caught outside the Underground station. After being treated in hospital, he was taken into custody, suspected of carrying out the fatal stabbing of Carlos Javier Palomino. The soldier, of reported Nazi leanings, was travelling in the same train in order to take part in the Usera racist demonstration.
Since the death of Palomino, several demonstrations have been organised to protest his killing all over Spain. Most of them have ended in battles with riot police, who have been out in force. One demonstration in Caceres on November 22 ended in a further stabbing by a Nazi supporter of an anti-fascist youth, who is gravely ill in hospital. Many more youngsters have been badly hurt, either by fascist thugs or the riot police in further demonstrations.
A quick check of the usual Jewish operated mainstream media sites of the West, and their comment sections, shows the Russia convoy has been a MASSIVE PR success for Russia, Putin and Novorussia. This is fantastic news, and better, the vile evil attempts at ‘spin’ that some of the most depraved zionist commentators are attempting is only making things worse for the monsters of the West.
However, smarter outlets (the BBC, Guardian etc) are already ‘memory-holing’ the story, knowing their sheeple readers have the recall of a goldfish. The situation on the ground is terrifying. The US/EU/NATO have their stooge government of Kiev now running their entire nation on a full blown war footing. Major military figures in Ukraine (not the Johny-come-lately Right-sector morons, but the old school ‘Soviet’ ones) are demanding the imposition of MARTIAL LAW.
NATO trainers are up-skilling Ukrainian military teams in special camps located in NATO nations in the vicinity, especially Poland. Mercenaries are also being recruited and trained at these camps. The neo-Nazi strikes against Novorussia have been ‘amateur hour’ up to the current date, but all this is changing.
NATO knows it CANNOT rely on air superiority, the usual tactic NATO forces use to slaughter ‘inferior’ opponents. So it is taking some time for NATO to change its military planning, and prepare trained forces that rely on ground assault alone. A key part of this planning involves so called SHOCK (butcher)-teams, ground forces that rapidly enter an area, murder all civilians, and blow up key civilian infrastructure.
YES, we are talking about ISIS/Boko Haram like terror tactics. Not surprising since both ‘extremist’ ‘Islamic’ terror groups are a direct creation of the West (designed to create Greater Saudi Arabia). Indeed some key Kiev forces are currently training side-by-side with ISIS leaders at facilities under the control of the UK and USA.
Never forget that the British people engaged in their greatest show of anti-war feeling in British history when they marched in opposition to the Demon Tony Blair’s plan to invade Iraq. But Blair invaded Iraq nevertheless, murdered TWO MILLION people there, and subsequently destroyed Libya, began the war in Syria, masterminded the holocaust in Lebanon, and the multiple holocausts in Gaza, and placed the vile Israeli stooges into absolute power in Egypt.
People power? What the hell is that? People VICTORY is what we must achieve. If one million people say “don’t do that”, and one person ignores then and does it anyway, the power resides ENTIRELY in that one person.
Today, more people than ever say “stop hurting the Humans of Novorussia”. But who, with power, is listening and caring and is prepared to act?
watch this video,
Ukies army are sitting ducks waiting to be slaughtered. I hope the poor mothers in Ukraine can see this. This is terrible, their sons are been sent to slaughter.
http://youtu.be/U3DgggZY0ks
Angela Merkel returned from her visit to Kiev and der Spiegel gave its impressions. I made a short summary for non-German speakers here:
http://deepresource.wordpress.com/2014/08/23/angela-merkel-visits-kiev/
The outcome is breathtaking! Der Spiegel basically admits defeat. Kiev cannot win this fight!
Expect Germany to back a federal solution as was proposed earlier by Merkels likely successor, Sigmar Gabriel:
http://deepresource.wordpress.com/2014/08/23/german-breakthrough-over-ukraine/
It looks as if the Nuland coup could fail and this is good news.
Kind regards,
Dutch
Nora — It occurred to me Neocons were simply the flip side of Bolsheviks (or Neo-Bolsheviks) aka two sides — same coin. Both evil. The “father” of Neo-Conservatism (Irving Kristol) was a “reformed” Bolshevik. I’ve read his work. Know many, many similar folks whose families emigrated before and after WW2 — mostly from EE and the Pale. They had the same “liberal-progressive-bolshevik” political views. But we didn’t call them Bolsheviks as that had a bad connotation. But that’s what they were and are today. And it tracks with Zionism and Talmudic principles.
Frankly, I stopped being fearful of terms like “anti-Semitism” when I realized it’s nothing more than a non-sequitur. A way to obscure and change the topic. As a child I wasn’t cognizant of tribal differences. Years ago I read Kostlers “The Thirteenth Tribe” and began to see how semitic DNA had been used to perpetrate the myth. And the entrenched prejudices of my Ashkenazi “friends” didn’t seem to jibe with my growing understanding of history and events.
It’s obvious Bolsheviks left Russia and EE and came to US. In huge numbers. Their sons and daughters and grandchildren make up largest “white” populations at Ivy League schools today. It is what it is. But ignoring Truth is ignorance at best and evil at worst.
The Bolsheviks were responsible for taking away everything Christian Russia held dear. And they perpetrated the holodomor killing millions in Ukraine — which Walter Duranty and NYTs ignored. Zionism and Bolsheviks have much in common. And they both perpetrate evil.
One can use a variety of political descriptors for the kinds of behavior we see today. I think it boils down to a propensity to inflict human suffering. Its sociopathic and psychopathic behaviors masquerading as governing principles. Call it zero-sum mentality. It starts within those individuals and works outward. And one sees it in behavioral tendencies — like NOT acknowledging the decency or humanity in others. They are empty vessels looking for YOUR oil. I stopped pouring my oil out to these people. We need to cut-off the oil. It’s not ours to give anyway. I’m not the source. I’m just the effect.
That’s how one does metaphysical work. Not by withholding good. But by allowing “good” to come through its true Source to mankind. It’s up to each of us individually to let it in.
Best, A
Ukrainian army shooting at their own troops.
Ukies army are sitting ducks waiting to be slaughtered by their own. I hope the poor mothers in Ukraine can see this. This is terrible, their sons are been sent to slaughter
http://youtu.be/U3DgggZY0ks
Dear Saker and dear readers
Why don’t have we a NGO by name anti-NATO in Europe?
A picture of PAID TROLLS on social media.
(getting commissions for replies elicited)
https://twitter.com/ValLisitsa/status/503245271279886336/photo/1
Oops, this was accidentally posted on the other thread when it should have been posted here, sorry ’bout dat. Another noteworthy observation is that there have been zero addition reports posted via the CBC site and yet the current looped coverage on-air remains the same as in the verbal and visual propaganda are not in sync and the neocon narrative is in trouble…
Fwd from Canuckistan:
Updated from previous comment re: CBC reporting.
The CBC website does have an article this am that certainly does not jive with the on-air reporting. There is no mention of the rather elaborate conspiracy theory about the convoy being sent to the manufacturing facilities being peddled and as a footnote, the anchors have been swapped out but the on-air “story” is being peddled. Also. Noteworthy is that this “article” does not have comments enabled. Either they do not want the two versions to collide or they do not have sufficient troll agents and scripts available or they have lost any hope of swaying public opinion to suit the false narrative. Then again, it may be a combo of all three considering the trolling efforts over the past few days on the other AP (Associated Propaganda) pieces have been ineffective at best. The Harper Regime is in serious disarray and adding this fiasco with their utterly failed neocon domestic agenda may be a turning point of sorts..
Russian aid convoy leaves Ukraine
Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper calls convoy ‘disgraceful’
The Associated Press
Posted: Aug 23, 2014 6:43 AM ET Last Updated: Aug 23, 2014 8:31 AM ET
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/russian-aid-convoy-leaves-ukraine-1.2744837
@anonymous 15:44
here’s the brilliant french comedian – see his performances on youtube.
http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.ca/2013/11/is-new-revolution-quietly-brewing-in.html
@AGS…who said, “It’s obvious Bolsheviks left Russia and EE and came to US. In huge numbers. Their sons and daughters and grandchildren make up largest “white” populations at Ivy League schools today. It is what it is. But ignoring Truth is ignorance at best and evil at worst. “
I noticed your comment and recommend The Myth of American Meritocracy by Ron Unz, which examines the chaste system favoring Jews in America’s elite universities. The article is scholarly and well documented. It confirms your observations. Regards….rk
AGS,
Oh, your last two paragraphs. Let it sing, sister! YES. Compassion, empathy, seeing all people as equally worthy in God’s eyes and therefore in ours, that really is the core of the Two Great Commandments, and it sure is a pass-fail test for psychopathy, isn’t it. It just blows me away how many people don’t see that, or live that way.
And no, I won’t waste any oil on them, but it does seem necessary, to me anyway, to heed Edmund Burke’s warning about good people doing nothing. They may have taken over our government and a whole lot of our social institutions as well, but we’re still footing the bill and we’re the only ones who can stop them. Not Putin, not the fall of the dollar or AZ Empire — us. Somehow, who knows how, but us.
Now for the Bolsheviks — I certainly do know *exactly* who you’re talking about but there’s just something inside me that doesn’t want to use that term, partly bc I still see it as ideology- , time- and location-specific, and partly bc Kristol et. al. considered themselves Trotskyites (who were even more ideologically-rigid) before he turned Conservative. And these people now really may be pro-choice and pro-gay rights but there’s none of the caring for the welfare of other people that old-fashioned Liberals at least used to spout, if not live; and little dedication to any Progressive causes or candidates, I don’t think. I mean, Liberals (as opposed to Neoliberals) are just lost in the wilderness at this point and pretty much useless, but they still do have an awareness of the plight of the truly unfortunate — except if they’re people Obama’s into bombing at any given time. So I’m wishing I could think of a new name without tarring an entire group based on the behavior of its most obnoxious members… and that’s really hard to do! ;~)
Stay strong, and please don’t go away again: we need your voice here!
Ukrainian troops losses: over 23,000 people
“When it comes to Ukrainian losses, pro-American puppets are either shamefully silent or lie blatantly. The real information about the situation at the front, which is fed to Poroshenko, fell into the hands of Vladimir Rogov. According to the data, as of August 15, the losses in the ranks of the punitive operation forces are: 23,498 killed and wounded, 158 taken prisoners, 8972 missing and deserted. The junta suffers colossal losses in recent days. But these terrible for mothers of Ukrainian soldiers figures remain hidden from publicity.”
https://tigr.net/3043/2014/08/20/ukrainian-troops-losses-over-23-000-people/
@AGS @Nora It is believed that there is 1% of sociopaths among all ethnic groups. The Jews are the same as the rest of humanity in this regard no better and no worse.
The 1% of sociopaths who happen to be Jewish manipulate their own people with lying propaganda about Israel being threatened with a Second Holocaust and Iranian nukes and all the rest of it. Many have been conned. That doesn’t make them bad people. Many of the neocon scum are Jewish but most Jews are not neocons just as many of the Bolsheviks were Jewish but not all Russian Jews were Bolsheviks. This is something the Jew haters always forget.
Apartheid Israel is a cruel brutal murderous and racist apartheid regime. It’s a settler state and this is what settler states do. But I’m quite sure the Israeli 1% and their neocon confederates in the US would throw Israel under the bus if it was in their interests.
As to the Bolsheviks they come in two forms – the original Bolsheviks who devastated Russia in the early twentieth century and the neoliberal market Bolsheviks who devastated Russia in the Nineties and not just Russia. Marxist fundamentalism and Ayn Rand type market fundamentalism are two sides of the same coin.
As the excellent John Michael Greer of ARchdruid Report puts it:
http://thearchdruidreport.blogspot.com/2013/04/the-fate-of-civil-religion.html
Market fundamentalism is “the antireligion of Communism. It was founded by the Russian expatriate Ayn Rand and has become the central faith of much of America’s current pseudoconservative movement. There is of course nothing actually conservative about Rand’s Objectivism; it’s simply what you get when you accept the presuppositions of Marxism—atheism, materialism, class warfare, and the rest of it—but say “Evil, be thou my good” to all its value judgments. If you’ve ever wondered why so many American pseudoconservatives sound as though they’re trying to imitate the cackling capitalist villains of traditional Communist demonology, now you know.”
Communism/Bolshevism is to democratic socialism what fascism is to democratic conservatism. They’re not the same thing though it is in the interest of the 1% propaganda to conflate the two.
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@AGS: Nora — It occurred to me Neocons were simply the flip side of Bolsheviks (or Neo-Bolsheviks) aka two sides — same coin. Both evil. The “father” of Neo-Conservatism (Irving Kristol) was a “reformed” Bolshevik. I’ve read his work. Know many, many similar folks whose families emigrated before and after WW2 — mostly from EE and the Pale. They had the same “liberal-progressive-bolshevik” political views. But we didn’t call them Bolsheviks as that had a bad connotation. But that’s what they were and are today. And it tracks with Zionism and Talmudic principles.
Dearest AGS,
Excellent Post! It is an concentrated effort to destroy all three Abrahamic faiths. Very few True Jews are left. Christianity is almost destroyed in USA and Europe. The same is being happening to Islam. Envelope, keep on being pushed.
All the archeological sites of Islam and Prophet Mohammad (saws) are already destroyed in Saudi Arabia in the last 50 years. His house in Mecca where he lived for 27 years with his only wife Khadija and had his children has been destroyed and toilets built on top of it. There are couple of sites run by Muslims, who already claim that Mohammad was not from Mecca, Saudi Arabia but from Syria.
Same is being done to the archeological sites of Prince of Peace, Jesus (as). Not only that, all his disciples are being annihilated in Palestine, Syria and Iraq. Already, claims are being made there didn’t exist such a person in Bethlehem. I made the mistake of giving the translation of Bethlehem. The trolls made sure the significance of my post was lost.
Recently in Iraq, the Tomb of Prophet Jonah (as) was destroyed by ISIS.
I don’t know, if one wants to call them Bolsheviks, Zionists, parasites, or satan (evil) worshipers. The aim is same to destroy the religion and take away the light.
satan plan and God plans, though in the meantime the suffering continues.
Thus, we have to have strong faith, by worrying too much about it we give away our oil. As there is no way that satan is the best of planner.
And, for this reason I like the Saker site the best. To me it is not a political site. No, this site keeps the religion alive in a very small but concentrated way. It lets us meet our spiritual and moral needs on a daily basis. If religion is removed from this site, then it will become of the thousands political sites with no spiritual and moral value.
Best regards,
Mohamed.
@Feng,
Sorry, but I have no idea how to get a better resolution of the poster. My computer skills are limited.
I put the link to the page where I found it (page found by Nora) to see if you can do something from there.
http://euskalherriadonbas.wordpress.com/
The Causes of the MH17 Crash are “Classified”. Ukraine, Netherlands, Australia, Belgium Signed a “Non-disclosure Agreement”
101Anonymous said…
Can you please post a link to the Holland statement concerning information about MH17
22 August, 2014 17:48 – http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-causes-of-the-mh17-crash-are-classified-ukraine-netherlands-australia-belgium-signed-a-non-disclosure-agreement/5397194
Saker — Any news on that tactical nuclear missile used by Kiev junta in Donetsk 4 – 5 days ago?
Militia message to European:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eWaKvRyuw0
@Rootman: These ancient pockets of pre-biblical root beliefs, a mix from pre- flood, zoroastrian and some judeochrislamic influences, even with all their faults and prejudices, they are very important to preserve (just like the followers of John the Baptist who did not recognize Jezus in Iraq). The tomb of the prophet Jonah has just been blown to pieces.
I am not a christian, agnostic.
But what is being done is eliminating all archeologic and antropologic sources of our culture! In the year 2525 people will only have words to rely on.
If I was a believer, I would certainly assume a very satanic component doing this.
Dearest Rootman,
Well said brother, you took the words out of my mouth.
Best regards,
Mohamed.
Ukrainian Ballistic Missiles were Shot Down by the Russian Missile Defence System
This was also mentioned by Nato that the missiles were fired. There were russian reports of troops suddenly moving towards the area from where the missiles were fired from. They suddenly stopped and….
Then silence…
Since we cant believe anything MSM says, Nato is even worse.. Russian reports are only half of what is going on..
Even just 15 years ago, If we saw as news something happened, we knew something did happen. Maybe not exactly because its all in the eyes of the beholder.. But NOW its just another story.. something might have happened on another planet.. It got worse ever since MSM were allowed to post short novels as news items and propaganda as current events. MSM dont even try to pretend that anything they report has any basis of truth in it and is for entertainment purposes only.
The Russian missile defence system is very different from the US missile defence system. It can only protect an installation while the US one is desiged to protect an entire city like the Iron dome. But Iron dome is only 20% effective against crude rockets. Russia has 80 Topal-M’s that no current missile defense can hit. It can be enhanced so even future missile defense will have problems with like space based rail guns. All missile defense is great against rocks. Would be interesting to get some real data on what happened..
Magnificent interview with a Donbass militia fighter recovering in hospital from his wounds, speaking simply but conveying what is the world-historical importance of the Donbass struggle – how the people there are true ‘internationalists’ in their heart, using the phrases ‘red’ and ‘Communist’ to signify that their struggle is the struggle of all of us in the world, who are trying to fight the oligarchs.
Absolutely terrific, Victor Shapinov interviewing fighter ‘Artem’, translated into English by Inessa Chabalina.
In the comments below the article is a curious photo – walking distance from European Union headquarters in Brussels, is the white city townhouse, still standing, where Karl Marx lived in 1845-48 when he wrote The Communist Manifesto.
Interview with Donbass militia fighter, the international anti-oligarch nature of the Donbass struggle
Wow, an excellent read:
“General Ruban on militants in eastern Ukraine: “There are people who were standing with us on Maidan.”
http://slavyangrad.org/2014/08/23/general-ruban-my-job-is-to-free-people-from-all-sides/
Regs,
K
“Nora said…
Remember those Ukrainian missiles Russia shot down a little while ago? Apparently we were testing Russia’s missile defense system, and apparently we got quite a surprise.
http://en.voicesevas.ru/news/yugo-vostok/2837-ukrainian-ballistic-missiles-were-shot-down-by-the-russian-missile-defence-system.html“
It sounds like the Ukies are still using ballistic missiles since then and not all of them are being intercepted. Has the Russian posture changed, or did their system not catch them all?
Robert,
I’ve worked pretty hard here to make that very same point about the difference between what someone may have been born and what they do, so yes, absolutely. But sociopathy and psychopathy are two very different things (the first term one coincides with an official diagnostic category that itself is confounded with socioeconomic status, among other things), but it’s the second, unofficial, one we’re utilizing here to depict, basically, a lack of conscience or empathy (think a high school punk vs. Dick Cheney). And psychopaths as so defined seem to exist in far greater numbers in our corridors of power right now, and they are acting without much restrait from any quarters, which is even more frightening.
But your point about Bolsheviks/neo-Bolsheviks and good (?) old Ayn Rand finally makes sense for me about what AGS has been saying. However, I’m not sure I quite understand your last sentence, bc it seems to me that the 1% propaganda is merely designed to divide us, and I personally see fascism as pretty much a police state (hello, Ferguson!) combined with corporate control of politicians, i.e., Neoliberalism. No?
Doubting Canuck,
I was under the impression that those missiles would have landed in Russia had they not been intercepted. At least that’s my best guess bc, remember, it would be an act of war if Russia were to bomb Ukraine. So our having tested the Russian system really does make sense. I think there’s a lot of that kind of probing going on, too — all these spy flights and such.
Robert made some excellent points about Ayn Rand and the neoconservatives.
Bad ideology does not lead to good.
What matters most in the negative is neocons are Statists. They love the all-powerful State to protect property, their only true concern.
“in reality, this is clearly the logically, politically and morally right thing to do. But in legal terms, this clearly a violation of Ukrainian sovereignty.
“
Disagree 100%.
Russia is responsible for goods on russian side of the border, the goods was not in violation of russian export laws.
It is Ukraines responsibility to controll imports into ukraine, not russians “headace”.
Meaning, if ukraine coup gov is unable to check the vehicles in ukraine territory, thats not russians fault.
Thats the basic laws in any country!. As long as russia did not export illegal merchandizes (of x number of int laws russia may have signed), russia has absolutly 0% responsibility to ukr coup gov. Russia is only responsible for export part (not breaking russian and international signed laws, not responsible for ukrainian laws!).
The custom toll on ukranian side is responsible for the import-part into ukraine.
Ukraine coup gov lost comtroll of the border? Oh well… Thats ukr coup gov problem, not the exporter!.
But ukr gov can retaliate with “confiscating” materials (if they can get their hands on it), they can in theory fine or ban certain exporters from bering allowed to legally import into ukraine again, etc.
But still russia has 0% obligations here.
There are allready been over a hundred humanitarian trucks across the border in recent months.
The reason Russian gov did it this way, was to 1. “Prove” to the west it cares for humans (hard for MSM to block such info when the “argue” is over 200 humanatarian trucks. Offcourse msm will try to spinn wild stories, but the western people will then in the end see the total hypocrazy, insanity etc of the political powerleaders of the west.
2. It reveals the western leaders and kievs true demonish colors. How litle they truely care about the civilians in east-ukraine.
3. And it makes it blatantly clear for many people in the west to see what monsters are really in power in the west. (The more west leaders bitch about a humanitarian convoi, the more bad they will look in the eyes of their future elections).
4. Also offcourse a political thing for hometurf. Shows actions, and reveals the western leaders true color (makes it harder for western falseflag campaigns to gain popularity inside russia).
Basicly, it is not russians obligation to go out of their way for ukr coup gov to go true all the trucks for weeks.
Hi Saker, thank you for your interesting analysis. However, I missed one point: the effect on the negotiations. Russia and Ukraine are bound to talk for the first time in ages and the convoy certainly will have an effect on those talks.Maybe you can address this issue in another post.
Robert said…
@AGS @Nora It is believed that there is 1% of sociopaths among all ethnic groups. The Jews are the same as the rest of humanity in this regard no better and no worse.
The 1% of sociopaths who happen to be…
@Robert,
Many of the observations within your comment are right on track with the exception of the 1% meme. Sadly the whole “We are the 99%” that spawned the 1% meme is a false narrative inspired by none other than Soros and his cult followers.
In all reality the sociopaths comprise approx 15% of the population.
As for those Bolsheviks of days gone by, they began the destruction of culture and allowed only a select few Monarchs, all of whom were related to each other, to survive in a Hollywood role, as the rest were butchered as a warning to them. They are now what may be called the neo-cults.
If you haven’t noticed the current Hollywood Monarchs have a distinct cult following comprised of the right-wing elements that are rather fond of modern corporate fascism that utilize ultra-far-right-wing fanatics as their boots on the ground.
As our good friend Mohamed has pointed out many times in many ways, we do not exist on a linear plane that has an absolute left and right, we exist within a 360 degree circular system.
To look at things from an alternarive perspective, consider that Greek, Roman and Babylonean math do not have an absolute zero. Only Babylonean math is very complex and easy to manipulate numbers and has survived the test of time, those that seek to control all of humanity use this base 60 system to spin their tales of mass deception. This is why all of Mesopotamia must be destroyed to complete the task of cultural cleansing.
In short, 3 right turns make a left, just as 3 left turns make a right. The answers can be found by starting with Thales Theorem and working outward. The ancient Greeks and Egyptians were on to something before “religion” wiped them out. The only group that has stood the test of time are the Aboriginal Peoples that have survived against all odds and of coarse China as the only “nation” that has never been completely cleansed and conquered.
Alien Tech said…
…”The Russian ruble should stop being a convertible currency, the ruble should be excluded from international financial turnover,” RIA quotes Czarnecki speaking at Poland’s parliament.
Czarnecki also proposed to cut supplies of Russian energy, as well as control transit of Russian gas to Europe.”…
Sweet! What a brilliant move on Russia’s “partners” side it would be. (OT: for those uncomfortable with use of “partners” in this context, I’d like to remind you that any language is a dynamic system with constant change in semantics; e.g. when we say “gay” we hardly mean a jolly person any longer. So, I cannot imagine Lavrov, for instance, referring to the imperial agents as “f%#$ing enemies of humanity”, thus the euphemism “partners”.)
I second the Czarnecki suggestion for the Russian ruble to stop being a convertible currency. Convertible to Polish zloty that is. It would hurt Russia immensely, if in order to buy something from Russia, or to sell something to Russia, Poland would have to use an intermediary currency of exchange, i.e. Chinese yuan or Belarusian ruble.
Poland not using Russian gas… yes, yes and yes again. That’ll teach those Ruskies.
I wonder if mr. Czarnecki has a dog. I know of yet another way to really devastate Russia. Being able to point a gun at own foot would probably work as well.
Poland more and more looks like the Ukraine with free access to Uncle Sam’s line of credit and a few perks for running CIA prison sites, supplying equipment and manpower for Kiev’s genocidal ops in Novorossiya and other great karmic deeds. What will happen to Poland when its master goes broke?
Cheers,
Sasha
This is the first I’ve heard of Sigmar Gabriel.
Fron his wiki:
The son of divorced parents (a public worker and a nurse), Gabriel was a high school teacher by profession before he went into politics.
On 15 December 1999, after the resignation of Gerhard Glogowski, who had succeeded Gerhard Schröder in office, Gabriel became Minister-President of Lower Saxony and served until 4 March 2003. After being voted out of office, he became the SPD’s “Representative for Pop Culture and Pop Discourse” from 2003 to 2005, for which he was bestowed the nickname Siggi Pop.
Hmmm — I was hoping a German might replace Merkel. I wonder if Germans feel the same.
Instead the shadow elite are offering up Siggi Pop as her possible replacement; straight out of the Frankfurt School of Despiritualization and Mind Control.
Surely Germans can’t be that whipped.
If Gabriel is being touted as Merkel’s most likely replacement then it also suggests someone feels the need to threaten her — play ball with the Anglo-Zionists or you’re out.
I know there is a dearth of evidence but I still believe Merkel is manuevering to re establish Germany as a great power. Ending the occupation of Germany would provide Merkel with the Mother of all legacies and I can’t imagine it would fail to entice a person as ambitious as the good Chancellor. The NSA keeps very close tabs on Merkel for good reason.
From my relatively limited perspective it appears Germans are sick of being told they’re Nazis by cultural marxists like Gabriel. Confidence is high after years of economic success and the recent World Cup victory has bolstered German pride at a most opportune moment.
Germans are as sick of the EU and bankers as anyone else and the theft of gold confirms, in German imagination, that the Anglo-Zionists are criminals. There is plently of reason to believe a sudden change is possible or even likely. Add to this the conflict between industrial producers/exporters vs financial and military parasites. If Merkel were to turn east it would secure Germany’s industrial base while simultaneously ousting the AZ oriented finance and other parasites.
Ms. Merkel is too shrewd to be missing any of this.
As someone just pointed out (Bulgarian in Vienna I think), now is a very good time for the Anglo-Zionists to shoot down her plane and blame it on Russia.
Channeling The Saker:
Western Propaganda Exposed as Russian Convoy ‘Invades’ Ukraine with Humanitarian Aid
”And so the latest propaganda ploy against Russia comes to an abrupt, anti-climatic end”.
Sick and tired of Kiev’s stalling games and Western media war lies, the enormous Russian aid convoy has just returned to Russia after successfully delivering their cargo of food and medical supplies to the besieged population of Lugansk, victims of an ethnic cleansing program whose real nature has been shamelessly twisted by Ukrainian and Western leaders, and the MSM presstitutes acting as government stenographers, calling the convoy’s entry into Ukraine an “invasion”.
It’s unclear whether or not Kiev gave its final approval. I’d like to think the Russians just said, “Hell with this, let’s roll!”
”I recommend reading the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs press release on their decision to just deliver the aid and be done with it. Predictably, the Western press has all but ignored this statement, preferring to parrot psychopathic fantasy and imply that it’s in any way factual.
First there’s this little gemfrom NATO sock puppet war lord-in-chief, Anders Fogh Rasmussen:
… [NATO] had observed an alarming build-up of Russian ground and air forces in the vicinity of Ukraine.
“We have also seen transfers of large quantities of advanced weapons, including tanks, armored personnel carriers and artillery to separatist groups in eastern Ukraine,” Rasmussen said in a statement.
Rasmussen said Russia continued to escalate the crisis in eastern Ukraine and that this could lead to further isolation of Moscow.
If this is true, then please, for Fogh’s sake, show us some evidence! “ “
[.]
Russia’s response to Rasmussen was glorious:
“We’ve stopped paying attention to Mr. Rasmussen’s empty talk and his press secretary. There is no point commenting on them. There is no proof there except Twitter,” official representative of Russia’s Defense Ministry Igor Konashenkov stated.
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RF baffled By Kiev’s claim That Convoy Brought Cargo Home
http://en.ria.ru/politics/20140823/192282831/Russia-Baffled-By-Kievs-Claim-That-Convoy-Brought-Cargo-Home.html
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Mr. Churkin said it best: [I may add, not just at the U.N.]
Living In a kingdom of curve mirrors:
http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/746351
“What was happening in the UN Security Council reminded me of a Kingdom of Curved Mirrors, because some members did not care at all civilians were dying in the east of Ukraine. Nor did they care about the humanitarian disaster there. They were mostly alarmed by Russia’s humanitarian aid being delivered to people in the line of fire,” the diplomat said.
@Robert
This is something the Jew haters always forget.
But I’m quite sure the Israeli 1% and their neocon confederates in the US would throw Israel under the bus
You have grasped something but your interpretation is confused.
You are correct —
The neocons HATE Jews.
Israelis will soon be begging, a la Monty Python, to be thrown under a bus.
Ohhhhh what I would do to be spat at in the face —
or thrown under a bus…
Think. Who is responsible for your PTSD?
C
Anglo-Zionists
There’s been non-stop commentary from the MSM about ‘how empty’ these trucks were, as if this were proof of some conspiratorial motive, Well, it bothered me for some time, so I did a quick and dirty calc of a load (of sugar) based on its avg. bulk density, coming up with about a 1/3 – 1/2 van volume fill to reach max. payload of 20 mt (typical for US).
THEN I heard Maria Finoshina interview one of the drivers who commented that the loads were 8 mt., the max allowed – back to square one. Today, came up with recommended payload reductions for severe road conditions (something apparently anticipated) – 64%
So, again quick and dirty – 1/3-1/2 the van volume (based on weight) X 1/2 payload reduction = 1/4-1/6th of available volume in the van, which is about what we saw.
I think I can rest now.
“SEVERE CONDITION.— A severe condition is when the vehicle is operated off the highway on rough or hilly terrain or over unimproved or pioneer access roads with deep ruts, holes, or steep grades. These conditions also include operating where traffic has created deep holes or ruts in heavy snow, covering normally good city streets or highways. Under these conditions, the recommended payload equals 64 percent of the maximum permissible payload.”
Just thought I’d post this in case it’s been bothering anyone else.
To Nora and Mohamed: The political or religious labels don’t mean chit. You can’t tribalize God. People try. Categories are just human constructs. Illusions mostly. (BTW — the purpose of naming something was to identify its NATURE. Naming a child was significant because it represented qualities of God. But I digress…) Don’t get me wrong. On one level they provide structure to human life. We all need structure. And a basis to form alliances with like-minded people. But these categories and labels lack both inspiration and expression. The literal and figurative breath of life.
To bring all this back to what’s happening today — it’s a given that evil always tries to replace God. If I thought God was religion I might be worried. I’m not. The only power evil has is to destroy itself. I don’t put my faith in men. Or in buildings made with hands. My faith is in Principle and Truth.
There are commenters here and on a few other sites I follow because they are motivated by truth. That’s the tribe I consciously seek. Truth-tellers. The ones who have no room for lies. The liars are easy to spot. Don’t waste your oil on them.
When moral foundation is faulty — everything is tainted by it. Zionism is a false construct. It is “anti-Christ”. Not all Jews are Zionists. And most Jews are not semitic.
I so appreciate you both and others here on Saker’s site.
Interesting article .. at the beginning. I thought it was a fine independent analysis and then credibility is killed by sentence such as ‘US and its Nazi puppets’. Wasted ;-(
Just to keep definitions and usage on track:
Psychopathic refers to mental disorder.
Sociopathic refers to behavioral disorder, especially lack of empathy.
When words lose meaning, when usage is sloppy, then anything said or meant is obscured or lost in the noise.
We are all certain fascistic behavior is sociopathic. Some of the sociopaths may be psychopathic.
Derangement is requisite for using psychopathic as a descriptor. Privy Sector forces and leadership are psycho- and sociopathic. ONe of the reasons they don’t function well in battle is their psychopathic disorder, not their sociopathic behavior.
The oligarchs tend to be mostly sociopathic, though we don’t know their personal state of mind, but they seem to function as normal criminals with enormous lack of empathy, not psychos who have lost touch with reality.
Cold-blodded killers are sociopaths, generally. They function without much derangement. They just love to kill, torture and maim.
The jihadi who killed Foley is a sociopath. He has the power of life and death and uses it with no empathy.
NATO is festooned with sociopaths, not psychopaths. They can plan bombing missions as calmly as any engineer or architect plans a construction project.
Albert Speer was a sociopath. He would build any edifice, knowing a killing machine was its owner. He wanted glory and cared little for anything else. No empathy.
Obama is a sociopathic narcissist, a con man, a willing puppet, the Glorious Leader of the Cult of Liberalism. He takes great pleasure in transforming the American society with un-Constitutional executive orders and administrative (unconstitutional) directives. He is the Mao of Cultural Revolution 2.0. All glory to the Leader!
And for five and one-half years the world adored the clown. Now they see what he really was all along. A dope smoking bi-sexual they gave a Nobel Peace Prize to, elected twice to the most powerful position in the world. The ultimate Fraud of all time. Not a law professor, not scholar, not an intellect, not a leader. A symbol upon which the stupid projected their Hope.
Sociopaths tend to gravitate to the top of public organizations. They fool most of the people most of the time.
Especially, easy to fool people who don’t know what words mean.
Editorial at the System Dynamicsd people at Automatic Earth:
War and Peace and NATO
Raúl Ilargi Meijer
http://www.theautomaticearth.com/war-and-peace-and-nato/
Seems like NATO will have to deal with ISIS attacks on Turkey. The NATO bureaucrats have to find a mission to justify their stinking jobs.
Larchmonter,
You’re in way over your head. Again.
Sociopathic is another name for Antisocial Personality Disorder. Check the DSM if you don’t believe me. Psychopathic refers to Robert Hare’s work defining, or trying to, a particular subset of people who would officially be diagnosed as Narcissistic Personality Disorder or Antisocial Personality Disorder. His work is very interesting and has travelled far in the pop psychology world, but has not yet been officially taken into the fold because there really is more stuff that needs pinning down separating out the three diagnostic categories. I.e., no diagnostic category, no third-party payments. There is no psychiatric category for derangement; that is a lay term, just like insane. There really is a body of knowledge behind all of this — unless, of course, you would like the accountant next door to be prescribing your Prozac.
And Obama is hardly a Liberal, a Socialist or a Mao, fergawdsakes. Again, check the dictionary definitions bc these words too have specific meanings. He is a Center Right Neoliberal corporate tool but has actually used roughly the same number of executive orders as any president. Those can actually be counted, if you take the time to double-check your sources.
I.e., stick to your film work and stop making grandiose pronouncements regarding things you know nothing about. Or at least take the time to learn, from the appropriate sources, the real definitions of the words you use.
Dearests AGS, Anonymous and Nora:
Anonymous Said: In all reality the sociopaths comprise approx 15% of the population.
As our good friend Mohamed has pointed out many times in many ways, we do not exist on a linear plane that has an absolute left and right, we exist within a 360 degree circular system. …… In short, 3 right turns make a left, just as 3 left turns make a right.
Very well said, that they are about 15% to 20% of World Population. They are from every country, culture, religion, race and so forth.
It sometimes takes a while to understand the difference between linear plane (tug of war) and a 360 degree circular system (harmony). For example, the male and female merging into each other, though they are different but equal and both are needed so they are both the same and are in harmony.
Nora Said: We really need a better name for Our New Elites, the ones AGS calls Bolsheviks…
I love USA with my life. My wife is from USA, and my children are fortunately half breed.
One of the few things I hated about USA and still hate is tug of war and everybody being label as such:
1. Right and Left
2. Democrats and Republicans
3. Blue States and Red States
4. Liberals and Conservatives
5. Neocons and Neoliberals
6. On and on
There is no harmony but divisions and divisions everywhere. Everyone is labeled. For example, it could be one person might have conservative views when it comes to family planning but might have liberal views in helping poor people through the state. A human being is a not simple animal.
Adam and Eve are one soul, one atom, one DNA, one cell ……
So, let us throw away these labels and have no political parties in USA and World. Every individual for any political position runs on her/his merits by the voters knowing her/his views on all spectrum of things. The senators should have a maximum of one six yesrs term, and the congress should have one four year term.
I didn’t like Bolsheviks, because it also means communists. I have nothing against communism, as long it is a economical system rather than a political system. The book “Walden Two” by B. F. Skinner comes to mind.
I like Bolsheviks because they are destroyers of:
1. Culture
2. And, then Religion.
AGS suggestion SOS is fine with me. I also liked what you Nora had: Parasites.
To me Culture and Religion is everything in life. That doesn’t mean my culture and/or religion is better than the other persons.
Best regards,
Mohamed.