Today I would like to just share two thoughts with you and suggest that each and every one of you come to his/her own conclusions.
First, Russia was literally “sucked into” WWI by the Germany. Russia did not have to enter the war as Russia herself was not attacked. “Only” Serbia was. Russia was not ready to enter the war, but the Czar-Martyr Saint Nicholas II decided that it was his Christian duty was to take the defense of the Serbian people even if all pragmatic considerations were clearly advocating against a Russian intervention. This war soon turned out to be extremely costly for Russia and greatly contributed to the weakening of the Russian monarchy which eventually resulted in a Aristocratic-Masonic coup (February 1917) followed by a Jewish-Bolshevik coup (October 1917). Did the Czar do the right thing when he decided to defend the Serbian nation at the potential cost of his own Empire, the last Christian Empire in history? It is a fact that the Serbian Prince Alexander and the Serbian people have always shown an immense and sincere gratitude to the Russian people and to Czar Nicholas II (whose first icon was painted on a fresco in Serbia, not Russia). But Russia also liberated Bulgaria from the Ottoman yoke. We now see the kind of “gratitude” Russia got from Bulgaria. Will a liberated Novorossia be more like Serbia or more like Bulgaria?
Second, the level of outrage in Russia over the apparent Russian non-action in the face of what has now clearly become a systematic terror campaign against the people of Novorossia is immense. If Putin does not take action *very* soon he will face a very serious challenge from many sectors of Russian society including the media, the Duma and even his own party “United Russia”. My personal opinion is that this “wait and see” game was probably aimed at deliberately getting the Russian public opinion in a state of rage similar to the one which preceded the 2nd Chechen war but if that is so, then now the Russian society has reached boiling point and that if Putin does not act very soon a political explosion will take place in Russia. Every day now I see already “not so veiled at all” criticisms and expressions of disbelief at the Kremlin’s “shameful passivity”, and I am not talking about some small extremist party websites, but of the most watched and best known TV news and talkshows of mainstream Russian TV. Reporters which used to be very pro-Putin are now clearly and openly expressing frustration maybe not at Putin personally (yet), but at “Moscow”. But the writing is on the wall for Putin now. Furthermore, representatives of Novorussian authorities are now spending their time in Moscow going from one talk-show to another and making truly dramatic pleas for help. In other words, Putin is days away from what will become his political suicide unless he takes action. I would say that things have become so bad that even if the Novorossian Defense Forces have what it takes to keep the neo-Nazi death-squads mostly in check (and I believe that they do), the humanitarian situation is so bad (over 110’000 refugees already) that the pressure to have Russia intervene will continue to grow regardless of the military equation.
With these elements in mind, make your own conclusions now as to what Putin should/will do.
My personal belief is that a Russian intervention is imminent.
The Saker
Saker Message:
… continued
Again, none of the above is addressed to you as you did not accuse me of anything, but only warned me that I was opening myself up to accusations. I thank you – sincerely – for your concern, but please understand my own reaction to any such accusations (you might remember that earlier this years I was accuse to be a Jew myself. And you should see the kind of hate mail I get from Nazi retards. Here is an example:
Did some jewish prostitute gave you a handjob, what a fucking twat you are imbecile,This israel moron shahak is a complete idiot and he speaks load of bullshit. Child molesting and incest is part of jewish religion and Nuland is a jewish slut who slept with her father and son,one jewish whore and her brothel companions started this war for jewish world order. you are category 10 idiot, no one can save you idiotic jewish balls licking moron
How is that for hate mail? I got that just for posting an (excellent) article by Israel Shamir (which my detractor was dumb enough to confuse with Israel Shahak).
Anyway, I get that kind of crap every 2nd day or so. I am tired of it. So let them accuse me of being a Nazi and “Anti-Semite” AND of being a Jew or of “getting a handjob from a jewish prostitute”. Both sides want me to conform to their idiotic brainwashing and I reject both sides with equal determination.
Kind regards,
The Saker
shella cASSIDY SAid”I believe it was on this blog that someone mentioned that friends of theirs saw many more bombers coming into bases in Britain then were being declared in Western media. Other sources that I read today have now stated that these bombers are armed with nuclear standoff missiles. “
More the reason tot ake out england first if Russia has to take part in major war.
4th June, 2007.
President putin is wrong when he says that russia should or will target the missile on europe if america goes with anti missile defence plan in Europe.
Russia must target (rather than should) the nuclear missiles with multiple war heads against all the cities, towns and big villages( including military instalations) of england because this cold war -like the one before- is being started by england for the benefit of english race only-.it is race war between the english parasite race versus the rest of the world-the sooner the rest of the world realizes that better it is for the world.
look how Germany wes vilified soon after fall of soviet union-look how russia is being vilified immediately after Putin made russia strong.
in fact it was not America but england which asked for ABM againstt Russia. BBc spy journalists were harassing presidential candidate Gore not to go ahead with Florida recount on ground” ally like britian want to conclude AMB deployment in Yorkshire as soon as possible so there should be no delay in govt. formation.in other word accept fraudulent win of bush for sake of england ! “
Don’t let people like that get to you, Saker.
Martyr, in the sense I think of the term, describes Nicholas and his family quite well. I had heard that they were glorified in the holy sense, and it seems right to me.
But I didn’t know that all the Orthodox Christian victims of the Bolsheviks were recognized as saints. Again, makes sense to me, but I was not aware they had been until you mentioned it just now.
The Bolsheviks were brutal and, from what I’ve read, actually reveled in the gruesome torture and massacres they committed. About as diabolical as it gets.
So why do so many Russians still honor the memory of Lenin? Or am I mistaken and they really don’t?
The American neo-cons, driving hard for the destruction of Russia, have Bolshevik roots, I’ve heard. Some are still closet Trotskyites.
This puts a whole new dimension to the conflicts going on now.
Could you tell us more about this? Perhaps sometime you might find the desire, time and energy for it? I could read about it elsewhere, I suppose, but I like the way you explain things.
Dear Saker and Friends,
Gleb Basov, Novorossiya Twitter spokesman, just retweeted “The US is preparing for a nuclear first strike against Russia.” This seemed highly unlikely, until I read the following article by Craig Roberts.
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/06/17/washington-beating-war-drums-paul-craig-roberts/
On a less ominous topic: I am not offended that Saker refers to the AngloZionist empire, and I am “Anglo”. I believe also that Marx was probably a Jew, justifying the reference to Jewish Bolsheviks. This terminology should not be taken personally by anyone. A reference to some people of a given race isn’t a reference to all.
At any rate, I need to start preparing for a nuclear winter by stocking up on ten years of food.
Truly frightened.
it is true that due to sluggishness and naivity of foreing msintery the russian are not really militarily or poiltically prepared for a major war -in 5 yeaqrs tiem they will becoem invincible.that is why anglos want war now.
swo putin msut give them war but uncoenventianl type. all of world is fed up with anglos. syria iran and all otehr places which could kill anglo troops and journalists msut be given arms asasins, mercenaries etc to bring havoc to theanglos enemis.and why nto destbalise>
why has russia nto ebfreinded iceland and scotland/?
why has itsa always bootlivcked her enemis rather than cultivating freinds amosnt natural allies?
anyway russia msut wage indirect war.if it ever goes in for direct war then must be full and unabpologistic and do it for as lkong as it takes to destroy anglos for ever.
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VINEYARDSAKER: said… I am a free person and I speak my mind freely, and if some brainwashed zombie (and I don’t mean you) wants to read into what I write some evil anti-Semitism – fuck him. Why should I care? This reaction says more about him than about me.
Right on my brother! Love it! Not going to hear this on msn (mslsd) Keep on keeping on! Never sell out, your mission is our mission and you have a way of putting it out there that is right on time! So thankful for you. Blessings!
Saker
“Theodore Svedberg”/”ToivoS” runs that scam on every site I’ve seen him post on. All he is interested with that line of attack is censoring criticism of zionist Jews and keeping their role in world affairs a secret. Even on the judeo-supremacist Mondoweiss site, he was considered Israeli hasbara.
I wouldn’t worry any more about his line of criticism than that of the nazi whose email you quoted.
The rainbow flag waving West wages war in a Trilateral fashion with atrocity one item on the menu. Putin can decide to let the West undertake atrocity and let Russian sentiment seethe and this too is a form of “Asymmetric warfare” or judo, which throws the game off balance. Russia pursues a high moral path. Putin says forthrightly the Russian does not want war and will go to extraordinary measures too avoid the curse of war . Russia will permit the West to murder as many as it wishes to in the new holocaust. Russia draws upon the principles of Orthodoxy that teach peace is superior to war.
I think we in the west have to devise ways to fight this information war we see happening all around us. To hope for Russia to fight the war for us is as unbalanced as Novorossiya hoping for Russia to come and relieve it of the front-line struggle that history has given to it.
The information war is indeed the great enemy – without which none of these physical battles could happen. I believe this whitewashing of the truth is the most evil and corrupting force in the world today, the antimatter of human communication, defeating at the root the whole purpose of communication.
We are all practicing with tiny steps here in these comments to find ways to communicate truth, in an ocean of lies. In the west we must develop ways to communicate that can spread to tens of millions, not just a few people. We need to be able to communicate and verify truth without an internet and perhaps even without electricity – I’m saying that’s the benchmark of capability we have to strive for, not that we’ll lose the internet or electricity, necessarily.
The Occupy movement began to develop interesting ways to communicate, during its brief visible phase.
I think there must be a lot of thinking going on about how to fight this war, that has only really become so appallingly visible during Ukraine. And this exposure to the light of a thing that was formerly shadowy, I think constitutes a gigantic, and perhaps irrecoverable expenditure of ammunition by the Empire. May it prove to be its downfall.
Paul:
You seem to have missed the actual point there, brother. Lemme explain.
In 2011, see, this big protest movement took off in Russia. It’s adherents became known as the “White Ribbons”. Because they wore white ribbons. Yeah. Well, they were also against Putin. Because he was baaaad. And so they protested against him. Because they were gooood. And wore the white ribbons.
But what was interesting about them was that they organized themselves mostly via Twitter and Facebook. And they also used LiveJournal to disseminate The Truth (TM) about baaaad Putin.
And they managed to get tens of thousands of people to come to their protests.
And they had help from major TV personas of the time, too.
And the White Ribbon movement was a total and complete failure. In fact, the term White Ribbon is today synonymous with “moron”.
Now, today the Russian TV is all about the plight of Novorossiya. And LiveJournal is awash with Russian Patriots (TM) spreading more Truth (TM) about baaaad Putin who has flushed the one and only Russian Spring (TM) down his golden toilet. And they quiver with Righteous Anger as they call all men of conscience to come and raise their voices as one, so that Putin may hear, and harken, and drop everything to aid the poor Russians who suffer in Novorossiya.
And for all this, they gather 4,000 people. That’s ten (10) to twenty (20) times less than the White Ribbons have managed to gather just three years ago.
So it ain’t about the Russians being slow to gather, brother. Something about the idea of sending the troops to wipe out the Ukie army and -inevitably – most of Novorossiya along with it (with many of the local suffering Russians, of course) just isn’t selling too well.
Have I mentioned already that many of today’s proponents of intervention marched alongside the White Ribbon guys back when? The Russians may not be big protesters (riiiight) but they’re not blind, deaf or stupid, brother, and they’re no amnesiacs neither.
Well, ta-ta!
BOPOH
Anyone following this can see that Mr.Putin / Moscow will have to make some interventionist move….
IMO he is getting the BEST advice possible and will move on it at exactly the appropriate time…
Stay cool and pray there are not too many more souls taken before then.
Thank you Saker for this blog and for speaking your truth…
Sikorski and Dziewulski: The Strategy and Tactics of the Neo-Commonwealth
http://www.voltairenet.org/article184283.html
h/t to MoA
Man, how I would love to see those Pro-US fascist forces decimated and sent back to Keiv! Then Russia can provide gas, power, water to the east free of charge and completely cut off Kiev and western UKR. The east will grow and prosper, survive the harsh winter and the Kiev and western UKR will just have to suffer the consequences. The US/EU will help out I’m sure. We will probably see refugees streaming east after that! Or streaming west toward the EU! I would love to see that played out. But we all know what the US/EU will do if Russia intervenes; they will use all their PR might to make it look like aggression on the part of Putin. It does not matter what Putin says nor does they will crucify him for attacking. I mean they’ve been attacking him even before all this started! I recently read an AP article in which they mentioned that 40 militants were killed and blatantly added they were “Russian nationals” without even providing any proof! And this from the Truthdig site with Chris Hedges! (I should add that the comments section really attacked them for this!) An all-out attack by Russian forces would be euphoric but after a couple of weeks, what then? the Pro-US fascist forces will probably regroup with the “Coalition of the Willing” and attack and retake the east. It’s not going to be a “oh well” type deal, they have to retaliate somehow. But I must say the current situation in Iraq will definitely draw resources away from the US! I may be a bit naïve, but can’t Russia continue to provide arms, men and even airpower and simply continue to deny any involvement as they have been doing? I mean the US always seems to be doing just that. There are so many instances where the US denies providing arms but it’s obvious to everyone. Provide attack helicopters, attack jets, tanks etc., and continue to deny that they are Russian but Ukrainian pilots that have defected. Put UKR markings on the tanks, helicopters, etc. They could take over an airport with the help of covert RF forces and set up a base and again completely deny any kind of RF involvement. It will be obvious to everyone but like Putin recently said on French TV, “Where’s the proof?” Provide everything possible but just “keep on a den’in!” Another thing, all those Ukrainian forces that have defected, are they now fighting with the NDF? Are there pilots, tank drivers, artillery men, snipers, etc.? Even if they are not UKR forces, they could just make it up, couldn’t they? Novorossiya forces in UKR uniforms with the St George ribbons on their sleeves driving the tanks or climbing into a UKR-marked SU-25? I mean such PR photos would be devastating I would think. The video of those tanks rolling through town and the western media saying they crossed the border from Russia and that they were Russkie tanks! They should have put easy-to-see UKR marks on them (crossed out but not completely!) And make sure the cameras see this! Need a bit more PSYOPs here! (Also, as Saker mentions, translations into English to get more PR traction is essential) So RF should provide everything and anything! But deny, deny, deny! All Putin has to say is “We are not intervening; it’s your forces that are defecting and joining the Novorossiya forces, we have nothing to do with this!” What was that saying, “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.” Like those WMDs! So Russia should keep denying any involvement and eventually people come to believe it. (maybe not but what can you do?)
@saker, regarding the constant reminders that such-and-such person or persons are jewish: you’re digging a hole for yourself and not helping the cause AT ALL. Think about it some more please. As you yourself pointed out, there are and always have been jews on all sides. Ps, just so you know where I’m coming from: half my family is from Russia, half from central europe. Im jewish. So you do the math there… I live in the US now. The day obama supported nazi sympathizers is the day democrats lost me forever. But im gonna repeat – you’re really NOT helping the cause. Wtf?
Dear Saker,
Yes, the situation and suffering hit the very high note, but you still have to understand that the time has NOT yet come to the full fruition.
This game is a very serious game not just for Russia, but for the all Europe, rest of the world and Putin knows this very well.
It doesn’t matter how much criticism will take against Putin, if nobody but him, he knows what does he doing and the wold trust him even it doesn’t look like that.
You are enough educated and experienced to ignore such a desperate and primitive provocateurs to even read their trash. Don’t give them the opportunity to be above you.
Keep calm, we need you!!!!!!!!!
“Have I mentioned already that many of today’s proponents of intervention marched alongside the White Ribbon guys back when?”
I don’t think that’s true. US State Department-sponsored “liberals” are supporting the Kiev junta.
My gut feeling about Russia going overt, South Ossetia style, remains uneasy. Very strong feeling they would be walking into a trap. I hope Russia will be able to avoid having to go there. I still think covert support for Novorossia, providing Novorussians with what they need to do the job themselves, would be a better approach.
Not being there, not having the actual information of what the real picture looks like, my opinion is based upon ignorance and worth zip, though.
In the Anglo-American establishment, is it the English or the Yankees who dominate it?
Saker replies: Theodore Svedberg:Saker you are just inviting to the charge of antisemitism with some of your words. Anglo-zionism instead of Western or US imperialism and Jewish Bolshevism instead of, well, Bolshevism.
And why should that bother me more than a possible charge of being anti-Masonic or anti-Aristocratic when I write of “Aristocratic-Masonic coup”?
Because anti-Masonic or anti-Aristocratic are totally irrelevant political labels. Antisemitism is still relevant. People hate Jews. That remains a fact. Israel oppresses Palestinians. That remains a fact. Even if Israeli oppression is true today that does not mean that we should endorse historic antisemitic memes, which, unfortunately Saker does.
BOPOH,
I didn’t miss your point, I just think that you regularly mix apples and oranges. There is fake nationalism in Russia, and the masses know it. Those fakes take different positions based on how their paymasters calculate things. No surprise there – and no surprise that this is awkward for real nationalists. This phenomenon is routine with all kinds of things political.
But this is secondary to the question of “What is to be Done?” It is also different from a question of what percentage of the public supports what kind of action in the Ukraine. The fact is that many heavy hitters and important institutions inside Russia have been laying the groundwork for an intervention. You think the masses are against this. What is your evidence? Are there polls that are remotely objective?
If/when Russian Army enters Ukraine, it will have to go all the way to Odessa, because there will be a chain reaction of rebellions throughout all Russian-speaking provinces. Once people’s fear is removed, Nazis will be in wholesale retreat.
But plenty of junta’s desperados and true believers will choose to fight. That, of course, will mean Russian forces pulverizing a lot of Ukrainian soldiers.
To those who don’t know: ordinary Russians – who have an affinity for Ukies – will condemn their own President for killing Ukrainians, UNLESS IT’S SEEN AS TOTALLY JUSTIFIED.
So what’s going on right now is a buildup of such justification.
Putin simply can’t order killing of large number of Ukraininas, until all doubt about the justice of such an order is removed.
Thta’s why Russia is forced to tolerate the mayhem in Novorossia.
I do believe that Russian intervention is almost inevitable. Russian prosecutors are compiling war crimes dossiers for a reason.
“And for all this, they gather 4,000 people. That’s ten (10) to twenty (20) times less than the White Ribbons have managed to gather just three years ago. “
If hundreds of thousands end up dying in Novorossia and millions end up fleeing to Russia, the anti-Putin demonstrations will become enormous. For starters, the refugees could demonstrate en masse. Blaming Putin for allowing the junta to chase them out.
BOPOH, National security and interest is not popularity contest. Your argument will not stand test of time.
The Korean war Chinese fought, not only took away a staging area right at its border to undermine Chinese government, but also told the West, stop mess with me. The result is more than 60 years peace, and counting.
I doubt that Chinese would have let the matter unanswered for this long.
Anonymous (04.13)
Of course, Americans dominate the “relationship”.
What kind of question is this?
@Theodore Svedberg:we should endorse historic antisemitic memes, which, unfortunately Saker does.
Bwahahaha!! Listen to yourself: “endorse historic antisemitic memes”. Are you for real? Frankly, I first thought that you were truly expressing concern for the risk of me being deliberately misinterpreted, but now I see that вот так is spot on – you are just your typical garden variety self appointed thought police wannabe. Dude, I don’t ‘endorse’ anything, especially not a ‘meme’ – I don’t even think in categories like ‘memes’ – don’t you get it?! I use MY OWN BRAIN and I don’t give a fuck about what zombified meme-endorsers might think about what I say.
As for “anti-Semitic” this is stupid and meaningless term, thoroughly discredited with anybody on the right side of the IQ Bell Curve and if you seriously believed just for one second that this canard would censor my speech you definitely belong to the left side of this Curve.
I think that you and I are done with each other. See over there? It’s the door. Don’t let it hit you on the way out! Bye bye!
The Saker
Putin is damned if he does, and damned if he doesn’t! – just like the population of Ukraine.
Just read that Forbes link – ye gods, the vitriol there!!!!!!
Keep up the good work Saker, and don’t let the trolls get to you.
@Anonymous:regarding the constant reminders that such-and-such person or persons are jewish:
Not so. I do not post “reminders” I simply mention the fact WHEN IT IS RELEVANT TO THE UNDERSTANDING OF THE ISSUE. Let’s take the “offending” sentence again:
“This war soon turned out to be extremely costly for Russia and greatly contributed to the weakening of the Russian monarchy which eventually resulted in a Aristocratic-Masonic coup (February 1917) followed by a Jewish-Bolshevik coup (October 1917).
What I was trying to show is that both revolutions were the product of relatively small groups and not of the masses, these were not “popular” revolutions (unlike the 1905 Revolution which did involve the masses). Now YOU, of all people, should be aware of the fact that most Bolsheviks were Jews and that their ethnicity played a central role in their revolutionary activity because they rejected both the traditional judaic religious order and the Orthodox (monarchist) social/political order. How is it that a non-Jew like myself has to remind you of these facts? You, of all people, should know the devastating effect on Russian-Jewish relations this preponderance of Jews amongst Soviet Kommisars had only a few decade later when ALL Jews were pointed out for summary execution to the Nazi occupiers by a completely alienated Ukrainian population. Where do you think that the very notion of “Judeo-Bolshevik” comes from? From the genetically anti-Semitic minds of the evil goyim who are always out there to slander Jews? Or does it have a rock solid basis in the history of the VKPB?
If you are really Jewish and if you really care about your fellow Jews (and for your fellow human beings who are not Jews), then I strongly suggest that an intelligent and free discussion of these topics is essential to beat back real racism and bigotry. But enforcing a ban on words, expressions or, as Theodore would have it, “memes” is self-defeating, futile and completely counter-productive.
Bigotry, my friend, is fought by intelligence, not censorship.
Kind regards,
The Saker
@Anonyous: one more thing.
You wrote: But im gonna repeat – you’re really NOT helping the cause. Wtf?
“The cause” – at least to me – is the defense of the Turth and the truth is upheld by speaking it, not by concealing it.
The Saker
There is one person Putin must get. Angela Merkel. She has these deaths in Donbass on her soul. She sided with Obama, and it went against her nation’s own self-interest.
Putin and the partners in business in Germany and investors from Germany have to pressure her to break from Obama who is a total global failure and symbol of disaster, lies and incompetence.
Putin also has to shore up Assad. The US will fight ISIS all the way back into Syria with air power. Obama wants Syria to fall. Putin’s original gains are at risk just as it looked like Assad had won.
Though Iran now has the ball in Iraq, not the US. Iran and the Shia militias will have to hold the ground. The Kurds have formed their state. Turkey may need NATO to reclaim Kurdistan. The Iraq thing creates long term distraction and over-extension for NATO. Afghanistan will look like Iraq does shortly.
Thus, Putin has help from strange sources. Taliban and Kurds, AQ and ISIS, and Obama who is a child playing the game of great men.
Putin is working on Angela Merkel, and he and Russia do not need a good PR campaign. It won’t work with the West anyway. Most Americans think Russia is Soviet Union in a business suit, and they think Putin is Felix, Beria, Stalin and Hitler rolled into a small package. And he’s anti-gay! The gays control the Western media (LGBT), so forget about it!
The reason Merkel’s phones were bugged by NSA is Putin. They don’t give a damn about her talking to the Greens, or Sarkosy-Hollande. They wanted to follow her 24/7 because of Putin.
This Ukraine thing will go through Angela Merkel if it gets settled without too much more bloodshed. And she will just have to veto Obama. You think the Germans want to give up the sovereignty of their nation and corporations for Obama?
Everything has changed for Obama around the globe. He is the tar baby for failure and disaster.
And I f**king love it that Americans are finally seeing what a Fraud he and his Cult of Liberalism really is.
War is about natural resources.
Ukraine is about Hegemony.
The big natural resources companies are on board with Russia. They already told Obama to f**k off.
Now it remains to be seen how much pressure it takes on Merkel who has her legacy at stake. She can be the Nobel Prize winner by neutralizing the Ukraine, giving Putin a victory, and sending the Hegemon back across the Atlantic.
Saker,
I don’t think Putin will invade due to pressure at home or abroad. He engages based on strength and opportunity. The killing of Eastern Ukrainians is horrible. I’m ashamed and sad that America has had a hand in all this. People involved in those decisions will not go unpunished. “Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that his justice cannot sleep forever.” Never underestimate the quiet terror of jumping at shadows.
Putin’s only responsibility is to Russia. He does not have the same burden and responsibility to the Church as did the Czar. Russian blood-letting would NOT be the best tactical choice for Russia. It may come to that. But Putin isn’t a man who rushes his fences. Not when America is SO close to falling on her sword for Anglo-Zionist martyrdom. Few of us will find a spot in the lifeboat. Those who do won’t forget who sank the ship.
As a Christian — and NOT Jesuit or Jew or any other denomination which teaches casuistry as a core principle — war is a piss-poor way to serve God. Even non-believers know one reaps what one sows. There’s a HUGE back-lash coming. Be careful and discriminating in activities and friendships. Don’t give sanctuary to evil. Don’t let Zionist shills bait you. Most of them aren’t semetic anyway.
And thank you for this site. Thank you for proclaiming TRUTH — even when others may not want to hear it. And thank you for allowing us a voice in this exchange. In some ways its a form of redemption for those of us who ignored the TRUTH far too long. You’re a good man Saker. AGS
Like I say Putin and the Kremlin are being made to look like fools.If they think diplomacy will end this crisis they are sadly mistaken.They are at war a bit like a feather weight boxer throwing punches at a heavyweight who is reluctant to flatten his opponent.Take this latest for example,
28 MINUTES AGO PUTIN TALKS TO UKRAINE LEADER ABOUT POSSIBLE CEASEFIRE
Kremlin: Leaders ‘touched on possible ceasefire’
The Russian President Vladimir Putin and his Ukrainian counterpart, Petro Poroshenko, discussed a possible ceasefire in eastern Ukraine and the deaths of two Russian journalists there in a late night telephone conversation, the Kremlin said
In a statement, the Kremlin said the conversation “touched on the theme of a possible ceasefire in the area of military action in southeastern Ukraine”,
It also said Putin had expressed his concern over the deaths of two Russian state television journalists, who were killed in shelling in clashes between Ukrainian forces and pro-Russian separatists near the eastern city of Luhansk.
Poroshenko expressed his condolences and assured Putin there would be an investigation and measures would be taken to protect journalists.
A note about the media and pundit push for Russian intervention in the Ukraine. The main reason Pussy Riot were prosecuted was because of a media campaign that demanded it. Once the Russian government decided to prosecute, the zionazis in the west went berserk with Russia bashing. Obviously, a lot of the Russian media who demanded prosecution were in cahoots with the zionazi of the west, who own and run western media, and have powerful, veto wielding influence in most sectors of the western oligarchies. The plan all along was to use Pussy Riot provocations to force the Russian government into prosecuting so they could be demonised.
The same sort of planned increasing the provocations to get the wanted reaction that was used with Pussy Riot, is being used by the zionazis in the Ukraine. Obviously, the provocations are not comparable, but the strategy being used is the same. Keep upping the ante to force the reaction sought for.
It might be very useful to closely look at the pundits and media calling for Russian intervention, and pushing for this, IN THAT LIGHT. I’m sure many people are wanting Russian intervention for honest, humanitarian reasons to stop the zionazi terrorism in Novorossia, but I’ll bet there is a sizable group of zionist collaborators, like with the Pussy Riot operation, who are intentionally trying to force the Russian government to intervene in Novorossia, just like they did with getting Pussy Riot prosecuted.
This is where to look for zionazi connections and influence. And then expose them.
BTW:
Theodore Svedberg said…18 June, 2014 01:59
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Anonymous said…18 June, 2014 04:01
This is how Israeli zionazi web sayanim span sites to force silence on zionazis and their influence. Here, so far it is rather mild due to the fact the zionazis are the outsiders and know it. At sites where the host is zionist, or zionazi intimidated, they will literally swamp the site this kind of shit.
Those who thought the nazi spamming here was bad, this lot is infinitely worse. If given carte blanche, the sods (and most are literally sods) will turn the comment section into arguments over whether so and so is anti-semitic and demands for censorship.
The whole point of that zionazi spam being to neutralise the site, either through take over, or destruction.
If Putin launched a war on Ukraine to satisfy Russian public opinion he would thereby demonstrate his total unfitness to govern.
Putin must, nevertheless, keep the respect and confidence of the Russian people, which means that managing public perception is vital. But it is not only public perception in Russia that is important. The Empire is flailing wildly as its economic dominance fades and is likely at least as susceptible to a something like a color revolution as any of its opponents.
At present, the imperial media are doing a great job deflecting attention from the role of Nazi and Islamic extremist scum in imperial projects. But Russia could do more to draw attention in the West to the crimes of Washington and its allies. Russia could also do more to engage the support of the great majority in the West who oppose the globalist project for the genocide of the European peoples through mass immigration and multiculturalism. It is, after all, Russia’s determination to preserve it’s cultural and racial identity that has made it a prime target of the New World Order. You can hear that spelled out by Obozo’s brain, the crazed coot, Brzezinski, here (at 14 minutes, 15 seconds).
Russian solidarity with those in Western Europe opposed to the genocide of their own people could generate massive opposition to war on Russia.
Nicholas II was a good man in a personal sense, truly one of the most moral heads of state ever, but he had no business being the supreme leader of a world power like the Russian Empire. His father Alexander III had many of Nicholas’ good qualities and few of the bad ones. For all the slander Alexander get for his Anti-Semitic policies (which were more anti-revolutionary in scope and mild by the standards of 20th century dictators) he was well on his way to seeing Russia solidify into a truly stable and workable nation before his early demise. Does any one really think the man hailed as ‘The Peacemaker’ would have allowed his empire to be suckered into the fights that Nicki did? Just throwing that out there.
As for the topic at hand, I feel Putin should probably wait until he gets even more reasons to intervene. And like I said in earlier posts, if he is going in then it better be all the way to the Polish border because this “Superior, Glorious, Pure Ukrainian-Galician Race” garbage needs to be taken out permanently for the sake of Russia’s stability in the future. That was easily one of the worst ideas to ever be introduced onto Russian soil after Marxism, and the Bolsheviks should be rightly condemned for promoting it because they took an idea created by the Austrian and German governments that was explicitly designed to weaken Russia and made it into official state policy.
I also feel all of Ukraine should be reincorporated into the Russian Federation at that time, with some generous rules for local autonomy and language as long as it does not promote hatred. The idea of a buffer state only works when that buffer can actually resist foreign intrusion. Independent Ukraine has proved it cannot, and that will not change no matter where Moscow would chose to partition, so there should be no partition at all. It will be tough, and expensive, but the benefits will become clear over the course of a few decades. It will also improve Belarus’s position as well, or do you think that a “Banderastan” that shares hundreds of miles of common border with Lukashenko’s domain will leave its neighbor in peace? If I was an American intelligence officer, I would be planning on the same thing.
Salve Saker
Putin è un grande giocatore, freddo e calcolatore. Sa che una mossa avventata significherebbe la terza guerra mondiale calda e conclamata.
Proprio l’obbiettivo che si pongono le schiere del Male, così come le vede il filosofo ispiratore di Vladimir, Alexander Dugin.
Qualcosa succederà, ma non aspettiamoci che accada necessariamente in Donbass.
Quì c’è in gioco il futuro del mondo,e non bisogna sbagliare altrimenti sarà l’Armageddon.
Dear Saker I have been attracted to your blog because of your very good analysis of the events in Ukraine.
Your thing about Jewish Bolshevism turned me off big time. My background has something to do with that. My grandfather left Russia in 1904 because of his opposition to the czar. He had an arrest warrant against him. In 1917 he was a founding member of the the US communist party. Within a few years he was offered a job with Dzershinsky in the new Soviet government which he declined, thankfully. He remained a communist however.
My father fought in the Spanish civil war 20 years later. Basically my background is thoroughly grounded in Bolshevism. It was not until the 1960s that I even heard that Jews were also a major part of those political events. I met many of my fathers comrades and there were some Jews but most were not. But to call that movement “Jewish Bolshevism” makes no sense.
I was probably 15 years old when I realized that the Soviet Union was a failed state. It was clearly a degenerate worker/peasant state that had become unmangeable.
The point I am making is that with this exposure I saw very little evidence of “Jewish Bolshevism”. In fact among the other members of my family I saw some real antisemitism. In fact, though it was a purge unrelated, my father was expelled from the Communist Party for the crime of antisemitism (he also worked with the Yugoslavs after the Spanish Civil War and supported the Yugoslavs, Stalin insisted on expelling those members after 1948 for whatever reason).
So Saker, I am sensitive to the charge of antisemitism. As you might understand, I find your characterization of “Jewish Bolshivism” quite offensive.
It looks to me that Putin is in the same position regarding aiding Donbass as Obama is regarding aiding the Syrian opposition: there is no united opposition they can support. Instead there is a loose federation of rebel militia’s who don’t agree on their final goal.
Strelkov looked like a uniting force but the Ukrainian troops have locked him up in Slavyansk.
What puzzles me is the dubious military performance of the uprising:
– they have anti-air missiles. Yet the Ukr air force seems to feel free to fly wherever it wants. And the few planes that have been downed were flying very low and slow so that they almost could have been downed with a gun.
– they have anti-tank missiles. Same story.
– Then there are the recent events in Mariupol. What I understand is that you had very few (maybe 50?) rebels attacked by thousands of pro-Kiev troops. And they just collected in a building in the center and tried to defend that. Sitting ducks…
вот так,
How many refugees and how much destroyed infrastructure can Russia live with? Also, an important question is not the Donbass, but is the other areas of Novorossiya. Would it be easier to have them join in a hurry, from a rout of the Nazis, or slowly, in a “lawful” way? It may not be feasible to hope for law in a rapidly Nazifying state.
Russia is teaching the West what it means that “War ist the Last Resort”.
Alas, if “the West”, collectively, weren’t even more impervious to learning, reason or any kind of objectivity whatsoever than the most fidgety, recalcitrant of schoolboys!
But in case they are planning for a repeat of 1914, some awakening is in store for all of us. Let’s beseech God that he will ward off the most destructive forces’ schemings, and the West’s bark will once again be found greater than his bite! The West’s bark in itself is a crime as it has destroyed countless human beings for time immemorial.
Martin
The real problem is not Ukraine, but USA and those extremists that US support to instigate a war between Ukraine and Russia. The same in Syria, Iraq or in the Far East.
The US plans to sit back and watch with impunity whilst Russia, Ukraine and the EU are torn apart.
The US has chosen the Ukrainians to be the sacrificial pawns in this game. Even if the Ukrainian Nazis are taken out, there will be others elsewhere already prepared and in place to continue.
Russia should consider treating the source of the disease, not the symptoms.
Make full and final use of all diplomatic means to avert war. Show specific people, including the oligarchs, have been behind planned regime change and war crimes and raise claims against them at the ICC. Present evidence of US involvement at the UN and demand it (the US) cease its acts of aggression with a deadline. If that deadline is not met, it will be deemed to be a declaration of war by the west and ALL gas flow will cease immediately. Two can play at economic sanctions. Hopefully the EU business people will see the fate their politicians have in store for them
and pull them back. They will know that the proposed US supply is all hot air and will never happen as the fracking sources will dry up before the infrastructure can be completed.
“The cause” – at least to me – is the defense of the Truth and the truth is upheld by speaking it, not by concealing it.
Bravo Saker! That’s what I love about you the most!
But I also detect a lot of Truth in what BOPOH says; He has a good insight into the real motives of major actors in this play.
When balancing on the edge of abbyss to avoid WWIII – every leader has to assume responsibility for the outcome of every action; I mean, every rare non-psychopathic leader, as those freaks know nothing about responsibility; they just want to ‘create their own reality’ and force everybody to believe it through lies and manipulations.
Mr. Putin avoids such games, although ke knows well about them; He doesn’t want to step down to the level of psychopathic tricks to win his case; But even his ‘inaction’ is an action in disguise. He will let the freaks to fall into their own traps, because their imagination doesn’t allow to see all unintended consequences of their actions.
If course, it will be a terrible price for that, too. Mostly for the people of Novorossiya who are not all Russians, but Ukrainians, as well. They waited too long to rebel against nazis raising their heads already under Yuschchenko, they should have been more vocal years ago, but they let another oligarch to loot and terrorize them; So they are paying with their lives now like so many people in our world, who just wanted to have quiet lives and never expected they would be ‘genocided’ by their own rulers. That’s the price for ignoring 23 years long descent into the present darkness, repeating the same mistakes and always expecting different outcome. Wishful thinking and always expecting handouts gets you nowhere…
“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.” as Jefferson said and it’s true in our reality, where we allowed psychopaths to rule over us. Leaders like Mr. Putin just don’t want to drawn that tree in more blood whenever it’s possible, which shows how responsible the man is, even being pushed from all sides into the mayhem of war. I trust him, whatever way and whenever he decides to act – it will be the best choice possible under circumstances. And his enemies will always blame him for something, anyway… When entrenched in Truth, he cannot loose in this war on humanity! Death is not the worst that awaits all of us, but the total enslavement is worse than death. It’s dying every day multiple times and that’s what archontic rulers long planned for humanity under NWO, because they feed on it.
The russian intervention in the WW1 is rather simple, they were allies with Serbia and were obliged to help. Also, Austro-Hungarian empire didn’t just want to take Yugoslavia and then go home and water the roses, they were in it for the whole cake. Of course, the whole thing was contrived by imperial interests via their masonic fifth column, the Princip guy wasn’t even a proper Yugoslav.
As for the second part of your post, I’m kinda thinking that you’re now losing it completely. Yesterday it was “Ukies trying to pull russians in and they shouldn’t do it in any case”, today it’s “Intervene, NOW!!1!”. Are you bipolar or are there two guys posting as Saker?
Cicero,
One of the many reasons for the current mess is putting Galicia in the Ukraine. Putting it in Russia sounds like more suicidal tendencies. And, unfortunately, a high percentage of folks in Kiev are anti-Russian now. Do you really want terror and sabotage campaigns on a large scale inside your borders?
It might make sense to send the military to Lvov, but keeping it for more than a brief time sounds foolhardy.
I unfortunately do not have time right now to respond to your post in full, but you do raise valid concerns. However my position is based on a number of factors:
1: Most of what is now thought as Western Ukraine was part of the Russian Empire until 1917. Lvov and four other oblasts were not, and as such can be considered the ‘true’ Galicia. You cannot build a viable state out of that territory alone. As long as Lvov is the cultural capital of the Ukranian nation, it will continue to try and convert people to its ideal, with predictably chaotic results. Some times you need to keep your friends close, and your enemies closer.
2) Despite the instinct to paint all Westerners as hard-core Banderites many are ambivalent to what has been going on, others are pro-Russian, others belong to minority groups like Rusyns, Hungarians, and Moldavans who would be purged by the neo-Fasicts elements if left to themselves. If Russia occupies Ukraine, it has to assume responsibility for all of these people. That’s why Putin must wait while this plays out. The Western Ukrainians need to start and realize what a disaster this whole crisis is for them as well.
But no, there are no easy solutions to this problem, only ones that work more effectively than others.
GERMANY must chose now to support Russia if it wants any chance of its economy to survive.
I feel that the German economy is also a target by the US & UK as Germany has been able to despite the utter devastation of WW2 rebuild itself as being again the economic center of Europe.
In Europe only the UK & The Netherlands have bigger money laundering economies managed by their banking sector.
That however does not constitute a long term viable economic sector capable of growth.
It is of utmost importance that Germany side with Russia in this trade, economic & propaganda conflict.
As absurd a comment as it might seem, Germany has the capacity to join the Eurasian union, although not officially at first
Saker, please post generally a reply to this question:
What will happen after a Russian intervention?
We know some of the things that will happen, among them a tsunami of unanimous Putin bashing in the world press.
But will NATO intervene, as it did in Kosovo? Will NATO bombers be bombing Russian troops? And will Russian missiles be shooting down NATO planes?
Sorry if I repaet other posters
I also firmly believe that Germanies Angelika Merkel is a key factor in this.
Germans, German industry, German culture, German economy all want to side with Russia for self interest & preservation.
There are a few problems.
American bases in Germany & cross Atlantic economic considerations which are becoming less important by the day as US purchasing power is decreasing rapidly.
Germany has its one foot in the boat while its other on the shore and is afraid to make that leap of faith towards Russia.
A proverb in relation to Germany’s decision today.
A good sailor has to be willing to lose sight of the shore to make it to new destinations.
The US is an economic well rapidly running dry for foreign partners.
The Us Justice department is suing to many foreign banks for billions & corporations making investment into the US increasingly too risky.
Germany has to chose before the boat leaves. I hope it chooses Russia and with it an independent Europe.
davidus.
You may call me ignorant but…
“A study by the Russian military historian G.F. Krivosheev estimated the total first world war dead at 2,254,369”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_I_casualties#endnote_Russia
They was the real martyrs, not the one that caused their dead. When to chose, the church always seems to take the upper-classes stand
@ eater_is_best,
Lenin’s Jewish Roots Displayed In Moscow Museum .
Some followed Lev Davidovich Bronshtein for other reasons.
Nice try though.
Crossvader:
If/when Russian Army enters Ukraine, it will have to go all the way to Odessa, because there will be a chain reaction of rebellions throughout all Russian-speaking provinces. Once people’s fear is removed, Nazis will be in wholesale retreat.
It would have to go to Lviv, because Banderastan requires a wholesale defeat and purging. You can’t just stop at Kiev and Odessa. The real question is whether western Ukraine could ever be reunited with Russia. I doubt it, short of making it a prison camp, so there needs to be some plan for a rump Banderstan there that can enjoy its impoverished independence.
You statement about rebellions is prescient. Ukraine Army/RightSector/National Guards have set up check points throughout southeast Ukraine to help hinder movement throughout greater Novorossiya, but especially int he direction of Crimea and Donbass. This is what is holding in place rebellion in Odessa, Kharkov, and elsewhere.
For those wishing to help the Russian promotion of the real facts of the conflict in Ukraine, here are two articles that go straight to the ultimate cause and the aimed for ends by the US and EU bankers (to the cost of everyone else)
Spread them far and wide-
Putin’s aide proposes anti-dollar alliance to force US to end Ukraine’s civil war
Time is running out for the US dollar
@ Theodore Svedberg,
Q: antisemitism
R: In its current context antisemitism is an Apartheid word because it embraces only a select few, whilst simultaneously excluding all others.
Ami-Jewish/Israeli/Arab/Muslim/etc. will suffice for now.
Saker,
Your belief is a wish and has more to do with emotions than with political reality.
Putin just called with Poroshenko to discuss a possible ceasefire, which for the latter amounts to giving some time to “russian mercenaries” as he calls them, to lay down arms and make a run back to russia.
Of course they won’t do that, but this (the fact Putin still makes useless, diplomatic phonecalls)indicates how far away a possible russian intervention is…
The only realistic scenario for the moment would be more “mercenaries” and more and better weapons to Donbass.
A real russian intervention with tanks and troops is out of the question, because of the enormous hatred of the infernal lying western mainstream media machine it will unleash, plus more sanctions, and so on…
The only intervention, if it ever takes place, would be a unilateral no-fly zone or pin point strikes on military bases, checkpoints,… with iskander-m missiles.
Saker, i respect your work and efforts but in my view you’re too emotional, but i think emotions are bad counsellors in the world of geopolitics.
It would appear that for one from an analysis/intelligence background you are markedly prone to emotional response and the use of historical analogy.
You presently appear to have a myopic focus on what could/should constitute intervention.
Your notion that ” If Putin does not take action *very* soon” compounds this error by presupposing that :
1. Everything is dependent on the decisions of Vladimir Putin.
2. That to date Russia has not intervened.
Like you and others I don’t have the present opinion of every Russian citizen.
However to attempt to do so would infer that such effort would be productive since the opinion of every Russian citizen would be relevant and actionable.
You may be aware of the inherent problems of statistical analyses.
As to Russian media, Duma and parties perhaps you are engaged in mapping.
It would be beneficial if the opposition shares your analysis.
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Dearest AGS,
You post are always fun to read and very, very informative.
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Mohamed.
Anon 8:35:
Germans, German industry, German culture, German economy all want to side with Russia for self interest & preservation. There are a few problems. American bases in Germany & cross Atlantic economic considerations which are becoming less important by the day as US purchasing power is decreasing rapidly.
There are more than a few problems. Germany is a de facto ocupied protectorate of the US and has been since 1945. Even with the 1990 peace treaty, Germany is militarily limited and still occupied by NATO 69 years after the conclusion of WWII. It seems obvious that the German government serves at the pleasure of Washington, and that if a truly independent government ever attempted to exercise power (for example, by attempting to complete the reunification of Germany by incorporating Austria and leaving NATO declaring neutrality), the reality of the situation would be quickly displayed by military force, subversion, and assassinations. Until Germany can deal with this problem, and the inevitaible “color” revolution that would follow any attempt to actually evict US/NATO from Ramstein and other bases, the great German hope won’t be riding to the rescue of Russia.
You can see the level of trust the US has in its allies by the placement of them in the cirlces of intelligence sharing: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes
Specifically, the US clearly values the North Sea Petro/Gas states and France and her military capabilities far more than Germany, which is placed on the same level as chaotic Italy and Spain.
Dear Saker,
frankly your analogy with WWI is crap.
Here is why: capitalism today is in a COMPLETELY different shape then it was back then. THIS makes the difference! You cannot compare anything today in a more and more dysfunctional capitalist world system with a time where many countries still were hoping the play catch-up with the west.
In Libya, Syria, Egypt – and in the Ukraine – it is most obvious that there is no future for them under capitalism. Frankly there is no need for their labour! Hence they are obsolete – and so are an ever increasing amount of others.
Even the Pope – who I do not care for at all – discovered this obvious problem.
Not saying that I promote old style “socialism” which was never “socialism” (a transitory state to reach “communism”) but an attempt to modernize. We need to find a much better solution! One that is on today’s level.
On a world scale capitalism seems to have reached its final stage. The reasons are simple yet for most invisible: the system has become too productive for its own survival. It sucks in labour to survive; yet it cannot do that any longer on a required level. Only credit did and does delay the inevitable. Therefore the – not just in the right – but also in the left – believe that bankers and their greed (which is what they always were!) are the reason for the crisis, is totally unfounded. The bankers behavior are a result and not a cause! (That does not make them nice guys!)
Since late 80s there have been many discussions about that – but obviously most people on this blog never heard about it. I like to point out to guys like
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moishe_Postone or Robert Kurz (http://exit-online.org/textanz1.php?tabelle=transnationales&index=2&posnr=158&backtext1=text1.php)
My line therefore is: What we see right now is not a good Russia versus evil NATO/EU/US but a conflict between two capitalist blocks. There basically is no good or evil! They both follow the same outdated lines of development.
However: I site with the Russian side – with major belly pains – because what the other side is doing is much worse.
If we do not find a solution that unites people all over the planet – and that will not be done by Russia’s multipolar world – and never by the US dominated structures of the UN/EU/NATO – then this world will get blown into pieces.
That is what should lead us! And I do not care if this is based upon religious believes or ideology – it is about survival of the human race.
R from Germany
I think Putin has made Poroshenko an offer he can’t refuse.
“The prospect of an end to the military action against pro-Russian rebels followed a phone call Tuesday night between Mr. Poroshenko and President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia in which a potential cease-fire was discussed.
If you’re an oligarch, you are inherently weak. Very bad things can happen to you. And all the money in the world can’t prevent them. A CIA safe house in Texas? Puhleeese.
And, yes, Russian public opinion was key:
“Petro, the Russian people are demanding I take action. If I want to keep my job, I’m going to have to do something. And you know how it is when people do things, well, anything can happen. A lot of innocent and even guilty people can get hurt. Is this what you want?”
There are some people posting stuff here which is designed to
absolve the historical crimes of the German 2nd and 3rd Reichs.
In particular we are being told that England somehow fooled
the Kaiser into a war with Russia. Well the Kaiser claimed that
but it has not been taken seriously by historians since Fischer
published Griff nach Weltmacht in 1960 drawing on the recently
available archives of the German Imperial Foreign ministry, which
showed that not only had the Kaiser planned a war in 1914, because
he thought that by 1916 Russia would be too strong, but Fischer’s
examination of the telegrams sent to and from Berlin and Vienna by
the German and Austrian governments showed clearly that the
the two countries wanted war with Serbia despite knowing that this
would draw Russia in.
Rather, the whole motive for making an unacceptable demand on Belgrade
in the Austrian ultimatum was to provoke Russia into a war that
Germany thought she could win.
They were horrified when Belgrade accepted almost the whole ultimatum
and Austria attacked anyway. If you want a war you go on making
provocations until you get it.
How does this relate to 2014 appart from the portentious date?
Well the USA is in a similar position to the Kaiserreich internationally.
From 1870 the German Empire had been the undisputed military hegemon in
Europe, just as the USA has been since the end of the cold war.
But as Fischer showed, the German economy was short of capital, it was
running a sustained balance of payments deficit, and was loosing out
to France in international investments in Russia and even in Turkey.
This lack of capital meant that its military power was a wasting
asset. It could win military contracts in Turkey but not development
ones which demanded free capital.
It had a narrow window during which it could use its current military
dominance before the rising continental powers of Russia and the USA
rendered even that unusable.
The USA is in a similar position, huge military superiority
but chronic balance of payments and capital shortage.
For fear of a rising Russia and US empires, replace fear of
China, and the rest of the BRIC nations. Hence the temptation
to use force.
The actual ruse, is remarkably similar, target a slavic population
whose plight will enlist Russian sympathies.
Russia needs to get rid of Lavrov, any person still using antiquated words like “our partners” in reference to EU has lost the plot. Being a nice guy has not moved Russia interests an iota. Putin to have a street savvy FM, one who can be as rude as his EU counterpart. No more Mr Nice guy.
Paul,
The astonishing fact is that the “fake” nationalists, as you call them, are the only nationalists that call themselves such in Russia. There. Are. No. Others.
Krylov. Holmogorov. Belov (Potkin). Oh, and Demushkin, let’s not forget about Demushkin. The guy that held the first anti-Putin meeting after the election of 2011. “Putin, go away!” – that’s his slogan. Oh, how the liberal crowd loved it. Know why? Because that same slogan was coined by a liberal guru Piontkovski just a year before.
But enough about the pleasant things. Onward to shoes, and ships, and sealing wax, to cabbages and kings.
Little background history.
The last two generations of Soviet people grew up with a seemingly noble and beautiful notion that was hammered into their minds as soon as every new, fresh and pink Soviet citizen learned how to say “mommy, I pee pee quick!”.
The correct reply was, “sure, son, go anywhere you want, just not on our Ukrainian Brother!”.
Yes… The Ukrainians were brothers. No, Brothers, with a “B”. It was a Russians duty to help a Ukrainian. And to aid the Ukrainian. And to love the Ukrainian. And to tolerate all the cretinous antics of a Ukrainian. Like, say, Chernobyl.
The Ukrainian had a special status. Ukraine had it’s own voice in the U.N. Along with its own representative. Ukrainian was the only language beside Russian that was allowed to be used during official concerts.
Why all the privileges, you ask? The reason is fear of Ukie nationalism, a detonator to blow up the USSR. It was well grounded.
Ukraine seceded in 1918 and took a long time to get reincorporated. It actively aided the Nazis and it wasn’t until the mid 50’s that the UPA was finally subdued. Already in the 70’s the rumbling was audible again. And the Soviet leadership (which had a huge number of Ukrainians in it) went into a placation overdrive mode.
Well, the end result was a huge boost to Ukrainian nationalism. If you get consistently treated as royalty, anytime you cut yourself, you’ll see yourself bleeding blue. It was in the early 80’s that one could already plainly hear that it was Ukraine that was feeding, leading and civilizing the slavish, unwashed and ever-drunk Russians. And that Russia would just die without Ukraine.
And the Russians forgave.
More…
Dear The Saker,
I personally don’t think the time has come yet. Let the media stir things up – do the majority of Russian people really want war? I think not. Yes its upsetting.
Putin will act when the time is right. He has to look at the whole picture and this is global not just Ukraine.
The USG/EU wants war – and he knows this – why let them dictate? Economically they are about to collapse – its time the populus in these countries woke up. Why should Russia sacrifice millions of their people again – and for what? Learn from history…change the future.
Rgds,
Veritas
“Anonymous said…
18 June, 2014 00:24
The current situation in Iraq is undoubtedly related and has somehow been engineered by the US.”
Lo and behold, it does indeed seem to have its finger in the pie:
What’s going on in Iraq right now is horrific. ISIS is already committing atrocities against civilians on a massive scale. Inexplicably the Obama administration did not provide the Iraqi military with immediate air support even after the fall of Mosul. I say inexplicably, not because I support airstrikes, but because on June 12th, the U.S. Military conducted its second drone strike this month in Pakistan. Why would Obama refuse to act in Iraq when civilians are being massacred, while employing drones in Pakistan without hesitation?
I’ll tell you why. Because the outrage over the atrocities that the ISIS is committing may be enough to provide the U.S. government with a backdoor into Syria.
You see It turns out that Obama is considering airstrikes, but not just in Iraq. He wants to extend those strikes into Syria as well. Well, that’s convenient isn’t it? Once the U.S. military is able to freely conduct operations in Syrian territory getting the regime change that they will be much, much easier.
It’s the classic formula Problem, Reaction, Solution.
They created the problem, they are letting the public react and build up outrage, and then they are going to propose a “solution” that will sow the seeds for another generation of conflicts.
See here – http://scgnews.com/the-fall-of-iraq-what-youre-not-being-told
And so it becomes a little clearer.
The empires strikes again…
MJ mentions the Russian MP, Fedorov, who’s worth reading (see the link), since the tensions described by Saker may well be being exasperated by what Fedorov believes is a fifth column (20,000 strong in Moscow, and, of course, widespread in the media). Fedorov foresees a Moscow Maidan in 2015, which Putin managed to put off from 2014 after stymying the West with Crimea. Anyway, that’s my 2 cents.
MJ mentions the Russian MP, Fedorov, who’s worth reading (see the link), since the tensions described by Saker may well be being exasperated by what Fedorov believes is a fifth column (20,000 strong in Moscow, and, of course, widespread in the media). Fedorov foresees a Moscow Maidan in 2015, which Putin managed to put off from 2014 after stymying the West with Crimea. Anyway, that’s my 2 cents.
Cont’d…
Well, eventually the Ukies figured that since they were so civilized, and the Russians so primitive, a secession would catapult them right into Europe, where they would surpass even the Germans and become a second France. Just remove the Russian deadweight.
So they did. In our beloved Novorossiya, over 80% voted for independence, by the way.
And the Russians still forgave. But not entirely.
And then the fun really started. Threats to cut off the gas transit. Threats to close the Black Sea to all Russian shipping. Aid to Chechen separatists. Endless whining about more favors with nothing in return. And, above all, wave upon towering wave of derision, contempt and mockery towards everything Russian from all levels of society of ALL regions.
Well, believe it or not, there are still morons in Russia who believe in the Brotherhood. And many more who are still half-believers.
But no longer among the elites. There, the understanding is clear: Ukraine is an existential threat to Russia, and must be eliminated. But how to get the mass of idiots stuck in the Brotherhood paradigm to understand that, without them going into a frenzy about wronging their brothers and pouring ashes on their heads?
Well, the Ukes never fail to provide one with a reason, do they now. They took the next logical step in their Europe-isation and started to eradicate everything Russian in sight. Demonstratively, and for all of Russia to see.
And the Russian government was finally able to implement measures to cut all of Ukraine’s Russian lifelines. And without those, the Ukieland cannot survive.
For instance, this is the first time that large numbers of Ukie citizens have been deported out of Russia without any public outrage about the bad officials abusing their poor Slavic brothers, dig?
The incessant TV coverage is not laying the groundwork for invasion. It is laying the groundwork for strangling Ukraine as it existed for the last 23 years.
And for rebuilding a new one. Eventually.
Toodles,
BOPOH
@ BOPOH (Voron?)
Excellent Post!
Thank you for educating the rest of us about the history of coddling Ukraine during Soviet times.
Also thank you for reminding everyone about : “In our beloved Novorossiya, over 80% voted for independence, by the way!”
I am going save your posting permanently in my system.
I made the same observations, from an outside perspective, about the opportunistic and lackadaisical attitude in a significant portion of Novorossiyan population (not malicious, just a conditioned response). For example the miners in this region have ONLY TODAY threatened to join the resistance against the NAZI scum that have been murdering civilians for months now (WTF? What took them so long? Was it per chance that their mines can’t operate due to the infrastructure/utility disruptions caused by those idiots in Kiev? Or is it because Akmetov finally realized that he’s being screwed by the other Oiligarchs?).
The Eastern Ukrainians need to do the ground fighting, they then own the land and appreciate the real nature of the world; Russia should supply them with what they need to defend their women children (and to win, it’s only fair), but the defending’s got to be done by the Eastern Ukrainians themselves. Also, I believe that the final goal should be an autonomous Eastern Ukraine within a confederacy or federal Ukraine should be the final goal: for economic, geopolitical and justice reasons. Those bastard closet Nazis in the EU bureaucracy should not be rewarded with even one square inch of land as a consolation price for their war crimes – meaning Galicia should stay trapped AND isolated in Ukraine and given the working over and reality check they deserve for the next century. Let the EU give the Galicians work permits to freely offer their services as garbage pickers, strippers, massage parlour workers, brothel workers and sewage plant cleaners (stuff they’re eminently qualified to do, afterall it’s EUROPEAN sewage they’ll be cleaning, so that should be a great honor. – according to their twisted values.)
What do you recon from this newswire (INTERFAX news agrency), as of today?
8.06 14:55 Main fractions of Rada offered parliament self-dissolve
18.06 13:42 DNR reject Poroshenko’s proposal to lay down arms
18.06 13:40 Poroshenko suggested to appoint the first Deputy Prime Minister Vitaly Yarema the public prosecutor
18.06 13:23 President of Ukraine suggested to replace the head of National Bank
18.06 13:17 Russian delegation won’t go to PACE session
18.06 13:06 Poroshenko suggested to appoint the Foreign Minister of the ambassador of Ukraine in Germany
18.06 12:07 Interior Minister of Ukraine declared possible explosion of a bomb on the gas pipeline in Poltava region
18.06 11:47 Ukrainian authorities blocked $1,34 billion on accounts of the offshore connected with Yanukovych
18.06 11:19 Yatsenyuk charged to strengthen protection of the Ukrainian gas pipelines
18.06 08:50 In the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine reported about death of four servicemen near Lugansk
18.06 01:56 UN Security Council urged to investigate carefully death of journalists in Ukraine
18.06 01:26 Municipal services restored power supply of a number of objects near Donetsk
18.06 00:54 National guard disproved information on use of the GRAD
18.06 00:03 Putin discussed with Poroshenko a situation in a conflict zone in Ukraine
17.06 23:52 Ukraine asked the help of Germany in control strengthening over border
17.06 23:33 Poroshenko charged to investigate death of the Russian correspondent near Lugansk
Aristocratic-‘masonic’ coup? Jewish-Bolshevik coup? Nicholas II the Czar-‘martyr’? Saker, I do respect your analysis of contemporary events, thats why I follow this blog, but your analysis of history leaves much to be desired.
What will happen after a Russian intervention?
We know some of the things that will happen, among them a tsunami of unanimous Putin bashing in the world press.
But will NATO intervene, as it did in Kosovo? Will NATO bombers be bombing Russian troops? And will Russian missiles be shooting down NATO planes?
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Dear friend
Saker and nobody else can give a correct answer.
The answer don’t know even in Washington or Moscow.
Everything will depend how far is willing to go the other side.
The limit will be a nuclear war.
After the nuclear war it is useless to talk further.
America wants to control world and Russia is the last barrier.
Putin and Chocolate-Hitler Petro Waltzman/Poroshenko seems to have reached an agreement on at least ceasefire, which has been used to exchange bodies but he already broke it according to “steel” Strelkov and Denis Pushilin say´s it´s a mockery from the start and wont take the bait.
Agree that something has to be done. Too much blood and even if the Chocolate guy was an honest respectable person, which he is not, he has thousands of Nazi freaks pushing him to “stay the course”, or else. The US and the Zionazi´s has unleashed the hounds of hell and Russia has to crush it before it reaches Russia proper. It will be a dirty filthy job at this late stage but Russia is the only one that know´s how to deal with it.
/Mikhas.
Saker, and all the other guys here,
I have a (probably dumb and definitely “girly”) question about that hideous email you got. Back when I read Daily Kos, Markos would print stuff like that that he’d got, and these guys would always — always — be as, erm, anatomically foul, and in the exact same ways. Never having been a boy in a high school locker-room situation, my question is, is that typical adolescent boy stuff — because it really, really, really sounds sick as hell. To me, these people aren’t just haters, they’re seriously disturbed. I’d been meaning to ask Mr. Nora but forgot and he’s not here right now so I’m probably showing my ignorance to a very wide audience but really, why do they always end up at the genitals? To me, they’re just broadcasting their sexual fears, frustrations and inadequacies.
Hi Saker, I believe we approaching culmination point in the ukrainian tragedy. and befor military option Putin silently sending messages to mail stakeholders that he means business. We dont see a lot of talks and moves behind-the-curtain, but some facts are speaking for itself. Poroshenko has his confectionary factories operating in Russia, which is also main market for his ukr.chokolate plants. Ukr. President announced today new candidates for his Cabinet, replacing Foreign Minister, Central Bank Chief and Prosecutor General- all Galician boys. Today Russian Defense Minister in Duma spell out that Army is ready to act whatever direction things will develop…
AGS
Yes, to everything you said!
вот так,
Perhaps the Russian speakers here could identify the pundits et. al. trying to set Russia up in this way. Publishing that list (with details?) would be a great service to — uh — everyone, everywhere.
Theodore Svedberg,
Your family background is interesting but I could swear you claimed elsewhere from a bunch of Lutheran ministers in either Sweden or Finland.
I think Russia intervention will be a huge mistake, even more now than ever.
I have the feeling that Ukraine is now completely out of control. I think that because Poroshenko make some public statements of cease-fire, peace corridor, etc, but it’s not followed by anything perceptible on the field.
So it’s probably the complete anarchy in Ukraine, which lead to a serious question if Russia invade: who can you put to restore order and peace ? I see no-one able to do that without killing a few oligarch, which is something that imho Putin can’t do.
So, the only clear exit of the crisis is an uprising of the whole Ukrainian population, which will have the legitimacy to hang a few of their politician.
So imho, Russia should not intervene, at any cost. Ukr population *will* raise against their leaders, that’s what will stop the bloodshell.