The Ukrainian Banderastan – as ugly as it is pathetic

Well said. The Kiev Kriminals are nothing more than a pathetic group of murderous clowns.

In fact, calling them clowns or freaks are actually an insult to real clowns and freaks. They are something worse, a new English word needs to be coined to describe them.

Unfortunately, Putin will be a reluctant saviour at best, and unless the Ukies pull their collective heads out of their rears, they will shortly be living in conditions that even the poorest Africans would not envy.

I predict that some generations hence,future historians will look back at this sad period and will likely quote Edward Gibbons famous definition of History:
(History) which is, indeed, little more than the register of the crimes, follies, and misfortunes of mankind.”

“The five marks of the Roman decaying culture:

Concern with displaying affluence instead of building wealth;

Obsession with sex and perversions of sex;

Art becomes freakish and sensationalistic instead of creative and original;

Widening disparity between very rich and very poor;

Increased demand to live off the state.”
― Edward Gibbon

“The history of empires is the history of human misery.”
― Edward Gibbon

RE US Culture and Empire, the more things ‘change’ the more they stay the same.

“Except that by putting its full authority behind a nasty gangs of neo-Nazi freaks the AngloZionists have totally discredited themselves. How could any regime or any Empire survive such a shameful deed?”

Saker, sometimes I truly wonder if we here are too cozy in our thinking that the truth we know is somehow so obvious to others. Just step back from this site and few like-minded others and you’ll heat the wall of ignorance at best and hostility at worst. At times it scares me to think that the world is even more evil then we came to believe.

We say that the US/EU/NATO are nuts, crazy psychopaths, but what difference does it make? They always have their way.

I have hard time believing that the ukies can’t defeat Slavyansk or Kramatorsk like you are suggesting. We see that only a small part of the population of these cities is fighting. The rest is scared or indifferent. So how difficult is it for the ukies to defeat the rebels? They could roll them over in a couple of hours. If this is true then why haven’t the ukies done so already? What if there is some kind of a blue print they are following? Is this possible?

Sorry for my pessimism. I am really down today. Perhaps, remembering my grandfather who fought and died in the WWII.

Я

And this is also very bad news for dollar(Empire):

http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_05_01/BRICS-creating-parallel-Monetary-Fund-disillusioned-with-IMF-and-World-Bank-expert-0502/

What value will the dollar have if this thing passes? 1/10th? 1/20?

rioplatense
“I honestly don’t know.”
My feeling exactly. The ukranian crisis has me guessing like no other political event in the last decade. I was expecting the US to bomb Syria the day after the chem attacks. Seeing Obama stopped on his tracks was something I couldn´t imagine posible after Libya. Now there´s just too much at stake and I don´t see they way for the empire to go anywhere else than forward.
Nothing short of a mass awakening, a miracle if I may say, in the heart of “the west” will stop the drive to war. I could be completely wrong of course. As I said before: I´m having a really hard time telling what´s next as of late.
Oh and thank you for this blog by the way. Great insight and very intelligent posters.

Hello,
Today the blogger at MoA recommended an interesting article from The National Interest. People might find it worth reading.

http://nationalinterest.org/feature/six-mistakes-the-west-has-made-continues-make-ukraine-10397?page=show

Saker, Banderastan reminds me of Pakistan. The state of Pakistan would have fallen apart a few decades ago, except that Saudi grants, remittances from Pakistani workers, and the proceeds from drug smuggling keep it afloat. (I mean no offense to ordinary Pakistanis with this comment.)

I don’t think that will work for Banderastan, though … I imagine that Ukrainians will not accept the poverty and civil strife that Pakistanis tolerate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=678n97eBQoI
unarmed civilians murdered in Mariupol.

I disagree with this assessment , at least in part(s):
“If the US/EU really agreed to seriously negotiate with Russia, maybe some kind of “Ukraine” can still be salvaged, but it would have to be much smaller than it is today, it would have to be Nazi-free and it would have to be at the very least truly neutral.”
1. I think they will negotiate in secret and then the Us will pretend that whatever agreement they reach was their idea and Putin ‘submitted.”
2. Ukraine will be smaller but it will maintain at least a few of the key industrial centers. probably those in which the resistance to Nulandistan is weaker–that will be the sticking point.
3. “Nazi-free” is silly, really. It will be Nazi-free as soon as the Nuland-supported Yatsis are confident that they no longer need them as muscle. They are just the Slav Takfiris that were used to create the terror and chaos needed for regime change. They will be gone by the time the bankers come in to harvest ‘austerity’ skin off the backs of Ukrainians.
Anon 66

@Daniel Rich:Can anyone confirm whether it’s true that Russia has offered to pay for Latvia’s WWII veterans’ extended pension?

Yes. I also heard that announced on Russian TV today.

Cheers,

The Saker

. . . hate to say it, but America / EU has lost before it started. EU lost by playing the US game. The problem with America is, the best Americans have always been the anti-Americans, i.e., criminals, revolutionaries . . . Thomas Paine, Fred Hampton, Edward Snowden . . . and the Native Americans pretty much blow them all away. But when it comes to the political, corporate Americans, they are fucked when it comes to competing with Russians. The State Department should read the Guardian comments. If they can discern which comments are actually coming from Russians, they will find that the Russians are smarter, more creative, kinder, etc. Notably, they are more honest. They will tell you straight up that Spetznaz GRU and volunteers are on the ground. They tell you straight up that Russia will never cede those territories and cities. And they are more generous, they are happy to live in a world with the West, they have no interest in empire or death. The US and the EU are fucked.

Saker, it’s a great mark of character that you confess those times when you don’t fully understand what’s going on. I’m grateful for this.

I suspect Vladimir Putin would be pleased also to know that you’re often so greatly mystified by what’s happening. I think we are both sure that he of all people is in no way mystified.

We are all Russians now. And on this day, which is still Friday in my town, I wanted to offer my own sense of uplift and hope that has been given to me by watching these ordinary Ukrainians and these brilliant Russians deal with events over the last couple of months.

I was pretty beaten down in despair by the ever growing awareness of how evil the US – my country – is and has been.

I’m like tens of millions of aware people in the US who understand the problem but cannot yet figure out the solution. Russia gives me hope. The ordinary people of Ukraine give me hope.

They show the way to us in the west. It’s as simple now as it was in time of the American Revolution. We are oppressed, and so we must fight, if we will be free.

As to numbers, I’ve heard that only 13 percent of the population was actually involved in the American revolution. Experts in these matters do say I believe that 10% is enough to cause change, so long as the underlying populace believes in the direction.

Victory Day seems like a good day to offer these thoughts.

I don’t think it’s in anyone’s interests for Putin to intervene directly in this right now and perhaps for a good long while. He has to allow the junta to self destruct and for it to be broadly seen that they have done so on their own with their putative friends from the US/NATO and EU block doing absolutely nothing helpful to avert the catastrophes wrought by their puppets.

I do think there are a few things Mr. Putin can do off camera that would be very helpful for the Ukrainian citizenry somewhat in the short term and more so in the long term.

First would be to deploy enough clandestine intelligence people throughout Ukraine and task them with documenting with video and audio and other intel as much as they can the identities of significant actors both at the scenes and behind the scenes in whatever atrocities take place at the behest of the Kiev-based junta, Right Sector gunmen, outside mercenaries, intelligence operatives, undercover police or security forces or military. Keep a concise record of all surveilled communications between such people as well.

Second, I think Russia and the Ukrainians would be well served if ‘protest’ energies were re-organized away from pro-Russia vs anti-Russia and toward United Ukraine under legitimately elected government. I say this in part because I view the so-called referendum in Donetsk scheduled for this Sunday as a joke. Sure it has some symbolic cache, and a ’15 minutes of fame’ sort of attention grabber for the small group behind its genesis, but I believe the one question “Do you support the Independent Donetsk Republic” item on the referendum is functionally meaningless and that the vast majority of the citizens of Donetzk and the broader Donbass region would vastly prefer a united Ukraine with continued well-functioning relations and trade ties with Russia as well as perhaps some expanded commercial opportunities elsewhere.

With this in mind, I think Mr. Putin could deploy some information Ops people into Ukraine, (and not just in the east but other regions as well, and advance the notion of crafting a declaration to be brought to a vote in different regions around the country which said something like this:

“We the citizens of Ukraine do not recognize the current, coup-installed government, as having any legitimate authority to change or modify any existing laws, to change or otherwise modify any basic utility or transportation or customs or import-export or licensing or any other rates or fees demanded from the public or businesses, to deploy Ukraine’s military forces for any reason except to repel direct attack from outside, o our borders, or to serve as the responsible governing party for the purpose of signing trade or financial agreements, or any other sort of national or international agreements of any sort on behalf of the Ukrainian people.”

Refine the wording on that and introduce it throughout Ukraine and I bet it’d get upwards of 80% of the vote in referenda in most regions of the country without playing directly into the divide/conquer/destroy strategy so successfully employed by the Neocons wherever they operate.

Allow the junta time to cannibalize themselves. Give the Ukrainian military time to turn against them more officially, more thoroughly. Give the Berkut the opportunity to be reconstituted and to stand on he right side of history with the people against a fraudulent government. And let these newer alignments serve to protect the public from the depredations of ambitious oligharchs like Tymoshenko and Poroshenko.

And if these kinds of things could be brought about, it would drive the US/NATO ship of fools apoplectic with rage and frustration at being outmaneuvered again.

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Saker, my two bits

This battle between the AngloZionists and Russia is actually a confrontation of the “Empire” (banking elites pay a large part in this) and the rest of the world. This “Empire” is a parasitic entity that moves from host to host. The US is the latest host to lead the parade. It is a shame that such a good country with some very great people (though I increasingly view their leadership with horror) and such potential has come to this. It seems the all the leading countries heretofore have been looking to recreate a new Roman Empire. Or perhaps it does have something to do with Charlemagne, the Catholic Church or some other favourite of the conspiracy theorists. Who knows? But the theories are just like arseholes, everybody has one.

But back to the current clusterfuck in the Ukraine. I view this as an continuation of the crisis the “Empire” is facing. They are like a shark. They have to swim or die. But in the real world there are limits to their ability to suck the life out of their victims. They need to plunder (and they dearly need to plunder Russia) because they are very poor at creation. At some point in the cycle the victims fight back because the “Empire” has become too voracious. The “Empire”’s size, complexity and energy needs (financial as well as management) reach a point where they have too many conflicting power loci within itself be coherent. They become out of phase. Too many cooks spoil the broth.

The Ukraine follows the Syrian crisis. Putin put his foot down (I still think he has some kind of undisclosed military hammer, but the question is how effective it is) so the “Empire” couldn’t take the chance and they hesitated. So Assad will run the butchers out in time. The “Empire” was foiled there. So they throw a fit and certain loci within the “Empire” double down on the Ukraine.

The “Empire” have some people running the Ukrainian show that are out an out stupid, delusional and just incompetent (let’s call them the three stooges). I would hazard that they are so penetrated by agents that Putin knows what they are doing before their “leaders” do. How the Crimea (sped up vote and attachment to Russia so smoothly) was handled when speed was not necessary speaks to inside information. Obviously to thwart some “Empire” plan.

The “three stooges” are running false flags, propaganda ops and half assed military ops in a desperate hope that they can force Putin into the quagmire. And make no mistake, the Ukraine is turning into a quagmire. Then, win or lose, they will have their excuse. Too bad, so sad, the Ukrainians got screwed but it’s not our fault. We tried …….. honest Injun. But the “three stooges” don’t have a plan B. Whereas Putin knows what these idiots are doing before they do. This just means that Putin has to be very careful (what comes to my mind is a clip I saw of some African “soldiers” that gave a chimp a machine gun).

Я:
I have hard time believing that the ukies can’t defeat Slavyansk or Kramatorsk like you are suggesting.

The Ukrainians made a real attempt to take Slavyansk a week or so ago ago. The militia captured six APC’s and took down two helicopter gunships with MANPAD’s, and then a third with a heavy machine gun.

We see that only a small part of the population of these cities is fighting. The rest is scared or indifferent. So how difficult is it for the ukies to defeat the rebels? They could roll them over in a couple of hours. If this is true then why haven’t the ukies done so already? What if there is some kind of a blue print they are following? Is this possible?

In the American War for Independence, there were about 3-4 million Americans, and only around 15,000 or less were ever under arms at any one time – 0.5%. Most people tried to stick their head in the sand and avoid the conflict, because they didn’t know who would be the winner. If you just focus on running your shop or planting your fields and spending your nights in the comforts of your wife’s arms, it is much more pleasant than shivering in the cold in Valley Forge without shoes all winter away from hearth and home.

Once the conflict was all over, the real percentages truly dedicated to Britain were revealed – about 1% of the American population moved to Ontario and founded that province (or back to Britain or to the Maritimes or Barbados). Everyone else became an American.

In Donbass, about 1% of the population is diehard Ukrainians. They voted for Svoboda, and they provide a nest of spies, informers, and recruits to Right Sector in a region of 7 million. Of course only about 1% of this 1% is willing to actually do anything, and that’s only 700 people willing to be local RIght Sector thugs. That is not enough to accomplish much among the people. Another 1% of the population is dedicated enough to show up for the revolution and try to fight for a free Donbass. These are the people out in the street at protests, confronting troops in the street, taking videos, and yes, taking up arms when they can get them.

Why isn’t Ukraine just rolling over them? Because they just melt away into the woods and buildings when the Army shows up. Then they take a few shots and make a few more kills.

The small insurgency right now has the Ukrainians so frightened that they are only willing to confront civilians and lightly armed police. They don’t want to find out if the insurgents have anti-tank weapons at any particular location, and they don’t want to leave themsleves exposed in town to the dangers of night.

This is why the referendum is going to be able to go forward and legitimize the insurgency with backing of a very large percentage of the 98% sitting on the fence by exposing what they think in their minds.

The fight the Ukrainians are undertaking is like trying to punch water.

First of all: What happened today is once more disconcerting, embarrassing, simply repellent (and I hope my dictionnary didn’t mislead me in the translation).

What troubles me is the amount of spite which shows in such actions and I was worried about the roots of it. Without wanting to exculpate anyone, I wonder what could have done before to avoid it. Humility and penance. I recall the genuflection of German chancellor Willy Brandt in Warsaw. Also over and over again the apologies of German representatives to other nations and I wonder, if Russia has ever done something similar to the countries which were once part of the Sowjetunion or to those who were invaded. Sure, they ‘helped’ in the case of Ukraine by selling their gas at an reduced price, but did they ever apologize to the ‘Ukrainians’ in Ukraine for forcing them into the Sowjetunion? And please don’t get me wrong, I don’t want to critize the Russian leaders, but sometimes a simple recognition by saying Sorry is more important than billions of EUR/USD or other currency.

And that’s of course an issue that also applies to the Baltic states, Poland, etc.

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Something else: German newspaper Die Süddeutsche reported yesterday of the reign of Terror in the people’s republic of Donetsk. Hard to believe and I wondered about the truth of what I read.

http://translate.google.com/translate?depth=1&hl=de&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.de&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/konflikt-in-der-ukraine-schreckensherrschaft-in-der-volksrepublik-donezk-1.1957136

Stephen J.,

They are going to have a legitimate united government that cares about everybody soon. That is what the presidential election is for. It is just a problem that a few anti-social terrorists don’t like this. So, instead of a referendum in favor of good government, they should just vote for the President of their choice.

In other words, it is rather late to unscramble the Ukrainian egg. It might be possible to create a Swiss model and tell the oblasts that they can vote for independence a year from now, once things have settled. But this would require the US and EU to back such an idea, and they haven’t so far.

Paul

@Anonymous:What troubles me is the amount of spite which shows in such actions and I was worried about the roots of it. Without wanting to exculpate anyone, I wonder what could have done before to avoid it. Humility and penance. I recall the genuflection of German chancellor Willy Brandt in Warsaw. Also over and over again the apologies of German representatives to other nations and I wonder, if Russia has ever done something similar to the countries which were once part of the Sowjetunion or to those who were invaded. Sure, they ‘helped’ in the case of Ukraine by selling their gas at an reduced price, but did they ever apologize to the ‘Ukrainians’ in Ukraine for forcing them into the Sowjetunion?

If only I could convey to you how completely wrong your understanding of Russian history is…

I simply don’t have the courage to spend my life debunking western propaganda cliches about Russia and its history.

Does anybody else have the patience to explain to “anonymous” how mistaken all of his/her assumptions are?

If not – I understand. Cheers,

The Saker

JohnM has made some excellent observations about the need to plunder, the ‘swim or die’ imperative that grips the West in their desperation to keep their economic domination of the planet intact. I want to expand on his perspective into one key are that specifically relates to the scourge of the Neoconservative ‘Wargasm’ crowd and why their cult is so intractable, so resistant to healthy, reality-based comprehension of any sort. It is this.

Where it is typical that wealth is a prime motivator for all sorts of aggression, (and has been since time immemorial), and that such wealth is sought so it can be used to enhance stature and standards of living and expensive symbols of importance, etc., for the serious neocons those motivations don’t really apply. The Neocons make use of such motivations in order to entice others to sign on to their insane schemes, (witness the EU stooges, the entire US government and defense industry and State Department), but for the neocons themselves, the idea of gaining control of, say,the natural resources like oil or natural gas or inexpensive grain produced by cheap labor or mineral mines or timber or what have you, is not so much about putting those resources to use in their own countries or benefiting from them financially personally. No, it is primarily about gaining control of such wealth and resources and denying them to others unless and until those others submit to their authority.

This is a defining characteristic of the Neocons, perhaps the central element that differentiates them from the broader mass of ‘decent humanity’. It’s why they never build anything but only destroy. (Sure they build their mini death stars here and there, like the US Embassy monolith in Baghdad and Bagram Airbase in Afghanistan and prison camp in Guantanamo in Cuba, but that’s all they build, platforms from which to administer more destruction.) They are ghouls, a lower life form, and need to be distinguished as such whenever the opportunity arises.

https://twitter.com/IrinaGalushkoRT/status/464685341170208768/photo/1

Just look.

Anon:

but did they ever apologize to the ‘Ukrainians’ in Ukraine for forcing them into the Sowjetunion?

The Russians didn’t “force” Ukrainians to be part of the Soviet Union.

(1) Ukraine (except Galacia) was always part of Russian Empire since the Cossack revolt separated the land from Poland, who had conquered it from the Mongols, who had conquered it from the Russians..

(2) Ukrainians as a distinct ehtnonym are a made up fairy-tale people. At the time the Soviet Union was founded, no one had ever heard of Ukrainians. The word does not exist in any early 1900’s Encyclopedia describing the peoples of the world, no Atlas showed a land called Ukraine, and there were no Department’s of Ukrainian Studies at a university, because of course, there was nothing to study. The land of Ukraine was inhabitated by people who called themselves Russkij, as opposed to the people over by the Volga and Don who called themselves Rosskij. The other name they called themselves was Kazak = Cossack, something that the Rosskij living along the Don and Terek and Volga and elsewhere also called themselves.

(3) They spoke a language mutually intelligble with standard Russian and worshipepd in the Russian Orthodox Church using Church Slavonic. Even the Greek Catholics among them, when they broke away from Rome in America and returned to Orthodoxy went and founded a Church call the American Carpatho-Russian Orthodox Catholic Church (those on the south side of the Carpathians) and another Church called the Russian Orthodox Church in America (those from the north side of the Carpathians). You might notice the absence of the word Ukrainian. Even those from the center of “Ukrainianism” who had migrated to America didn’t know they were supposed to be Ukrainians as late as 1940.

It would be closer to the truth to say that the Soviet Union latched onto the Galacian project of the Austrian and German General Staff, and invented a fiction called the Ukrainians SSR out of the German’s project to detach south west Russia from Russia and attach it to the German Empire. They attached to it all manner of lands from the southwest of the Russian Empire that had never been united as a governing unit before. They then began promoting the westernmost dialects the people in this area used that were most heavily influenced by Polish and German loanwords as some sort of new language that they called Ukrainian and they made the children have to learn it in school across the whole region. Gradually such practices created an entity and ehtnonymic identiy called Ukrainian, a process which was greatly accelerated when Stalin annexed Galacia and Volhynia to Ukraine in 1939/1945.

So rather than blame the Soviet Union of including the Ukraine, you really ought to praise it for nursing the bastard monstrosity to life after the Germans abandoned it.

Andrew, I know all that, it’s a blog comment not a historical essay and needs to be kept as simple as possible – a sketch.

Nobody identified themselves as Ukrainian until after the First World War probably.

The literary Ukrainian language was developed in the Austro Hungarian empire in the 1870s or so based on the Galician dialect with a lot of Polish vocabulary.

In the real world of course people speak neither standard Russian nor standard Ukrainian and communicate with each other just fine until agitators whisper poison into their ears to make them fight each other in order to conquer them

Dear @Saker,
I would like to send you a good summary about the actions in Odessa, but sorry it’s in German, so please translate it – it’s a real important one I think: http://hinter-der-fichte.blogspot.de/2014/05/odessa-acht-achtungszeichen-agent.html
Also I think the world must know that Boko Haram is a secret operation from the CIA, this you can read also in german here: http://einarschlereth.blogspot.se/2014/05/boko-haram-ist-eine-cia-geheimoperation.html
Good luck for you and everyone else.

Is someone in the US think tanks beginning to talk sense?
“Six Mistakes the West Has Made (and Continues to Make) in Ukraine”
„Six widely held assumptions … will need to be corrected before any real progress can be made:
1. The Ukrainians are one people, united in their support of change
2. Supporting the Euromaidan’s ouster of president Yanukovych
3. Failing to stand behind the February 21 agreement
4. Ignoring the rise of the Radical Right
5. Labeling protesters in the East and South “pro-Russian” and “separatists.”
6. Blaming Russia for Ukraine’s problems
… Historians of the future will wonder greatly at the forbearance that Russia has shown in wielding its potentially vast influence (the ease with which Crimea was taken by Russia should be highly instructive), in contrast to the boldness verging on recklessness with which the United States and EU have sought to manipulate the political outcome in Kiev. … Recognizing the indigenous nature of Ukraine’s problems therefore leads directly to a radically different strategy toward Russia—one of cooperation rather than confrontation in the pursuit of a strong and independent Ukraine.“
Hear hear.

It is stupid to really think the west is the “evil empire”. It might have elements of an “evil empire”, but most of it is not.

A far more correct description is the brainwashed empire, where the good intentions of Political Correctness is paving the way to hell.

Oh, come off the friggin’ grass. The Ukraina/Kyif was/IS the very womb of all the Russias. The most beautiful, peshki, short-assed, little Rooshki Putinski wants and shall retrieve ALL of the mother of Holy Mother Russia. Then the fairy floss hits the fan.

Some more „thinking outside the box“ from US think tanks:
http://www.worldpoliticsreview.com/articles/13758/ukraine-s-ongoing-struggle-with-its-russian-identity
http://nationalinterest.org/feature/ukraine-latvia-welcome-the-clash-civilizations-10441
Not that I would for a minute believe that Western politicians would begin changing their policy if they ever would read these articles. Sometimes stupidity can be more dangerous than recklessness or craziness. Still, I can’t tell what’s the case with today’s political caste (la caste politique) / oligarchs / other deciders: Stupid or unscrupulous. May-be some are stupid, others ignorant, and others without conscience. And all of them working very well together.

What’s even more disgusting is the clear bias in western media, and the attempts to force Russia to make a move by the State Department by making provocative statements through that peace of work Jen Psaki.

Let it be clear from now on:
RUSSIA SHOULD NEVER TRUST THE WEST AGAIN!!!

Lose the illusions of ‘partnership’, these people just want Russia destroyed. Wake up!

Dear The Saker,

I think you have summed it up!

I watched the celebrations on RT yesterday and felt moved by all those old veterans who were there and lived through the hell and to have that desecrated by – instead of clowns or freaks – here are some others words to describe the Junta and their followers: mentally vacant and the lowest denominators of humanity.

These people are so pathetic and evil. I hope for the sake of all the world and humanity this will be the demise of the USG. They just couldn’t help themselves – on Victory Day of all days – they just had to kill unarmed people.

And as for that Governor of Kherson! Don’t get me started.

If I were in the South and East I wouldn’t even bother to vote on the 25th May – the low turnout will say it all. There are many forms of resistance. Those who don’t agree with what is going on need to do it for themselves.

Onwards and upwards for a multi-polar world.

Rgds,

Veritas

Latest observation from Pepe Escobar:

“… It’s hopeless to expect Kerry to know what he’s talking about, but still: the people in Donbass are not separatists. These are average Ukrainians – factory workers, miners, store clerks, farmers – who are pro-democracy, anti-NATO junta and – oh, the capital crime – Russian speakers.

And by the way, you don’t need to be Thomas Piketty to identify this as classic class struggle; workers and peasants against oligarchs – the oligarchs currently aligned with the NATO junta, some deployed as regional governors, and all planning to remain in charge after the May 25 elections.

The people in Donbass want federalism, and strong autonomy in their provinces. They don’t want to split from Ukraine. Against the US-prescribed, Kiev-enforced “anti-terrorism” onslaught, they have their popular defense committees, local associations and yes, militias, to defend themselves. And most of all “bogus” referendums to make it absolutely clear they won’t submit to a centralized, oligarch-infested junta.

So the referendums will go ahead – and will be duly ignored by the NATOstan combo. The May 25 presidential election will go ahead – right in the middle of an “anti-terrorist operation” against almost half of the population – and will be recognized as “legitimate” by the NATOstan combo.

Way beyond this cosmically shameful behavior of the “civilized” West, what next?

Nothing will make the ironclad hatred the NATO neo-liberal neo-fascist junta with its Western Ukraine neo-nazi Banderastan supporters feel against the eastern Donbass go away. But then, in a few months, all Ukrainians will feel in their skins what the IMF has in store for them, irrespective of location. And wait if the new president – be it chocolate billionaire Petro Porashenko or holy corrupt “Saint Yulia” Timoschenko – doesn’t pay Gazprom’s US$2.7 billion energy bill.

Once again, Putin does not need to “invade” anything. He knows this is not the way to “rescue” eastern and southern Ukraine. He knows the people in the Donbass will make life miserable for the NATO junta and its May 25 offspring. He knows when Kiev needs real cash – not the current IMF self-serving Mob-style loans – nobody in his right mind in the political midget EU will be forthcoming. Nobody will want to rescue a failed state. And Kiev will have to beg, once again, for Moscow’s help, the lender of first and last resort.

Lao Tzu Putin is far from going to checkmate. He may – and will – wait. The exceptionalist empire will keep doing what it does best – foment chaos – even as sensible Europeans, Merkel included, try somewhat for appeasement. Well, at least Washington’s prayers have been answered. It took a while, but they finally found the new bogeyman: Osama Bin Putin.”

Hi, Saker and guys,

I hope eveyone had a good Day of Victory yesterday. I could not congratulate you last because I was spreading vídeos and information from here to spanish media in my short time available.

I would like meant the Russian and Ukrainian people that in Spain we don´t forget what they did to liberate Europe from the Nazis or the help they gave us during and after our Civil War, so we will always feel grateful, some at least.

Either I did not have time to respond to the quiz raised by The Saker, but I haver read some answers. I just wanted to add that on May 25, in addition to the elections in Ukraine, also held elections to the European Parliament, where not only a boom in the far right ( Marine Le Pen in France, for example )but also expected left. None of the two blocks has me supporting the neo-Nazi adventure in Kiev. This, together with a certain German industrial sector either and that the Germans spend much cold in winter, I fear that the UE will stay alone with his “banderists”.

Then comes the Syrian elections on June 3,…imagine that Assad is supported by the people once seen the kind of “democracy” that have brought them…..

I Hope things will fall under its own weight, as probably expected Putin, just hope we do not have many more innocent people die. Otherwise, Putin not only,but Europeans all should go well there to help.

Kind regards.

Meanwhile, while we look with disgust and anger at what happened in Odessa and Mariupol, the Kiev regime is building a dam to cut off the water supply to the Crimea – because the crimea ‘hasn’t paid outstanding water bills’:
http://rt.com/news/158028-ukraine-water-supply-crimea/
What the Kiev regime does is beyond belief, and none of their puppet masters seems to worry. Talk about it and it’s of course ‘Russian Propaganda” ..
I hope and wish that Gazprom now stops all gas deliveries to the Kiev regime. And if the rest of the Eu countries suffer as well – hey, summer is coming, you don’t need gas, and your american friends will send you some anyway.
Meanwhile, the Crimeans can die of thirst, and their harvest can die in the soil – it’s only fair, right, you b*stards?

If your analysis is correct, a casus belli will have to be engineered by the CIA.

Specifically, something that will appear to draw Russian troops into Ukraine.

The context is, of course, that the annexation of Crimea, if you want to call it that, proceeded without a hitch… meaning that the CIA was completely unprepared for it. A very bad sign and precedent. Reminiscent of General Custer.

It doesn’t matter whose side you’re on. What matters is competence. And there ain’t a hell of a lot of competence coming from the West. A ton, a huge ton, of propaganda. But no competence in the field.

Dear Saker

Ultimately, part of the long term game plan by the USSA is to con Europe into buying expense American natural gas, and to permit fracking:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/exclusive-west-draws-up-plan-to-disarm-russias-energy-supply-threat-9341096.html

Unlike other countries, the USSA cannot directly steal Russian resources so they are doing the next best thing, trying to substitute their higher priced products by making Russia appear as an unreliable supplier.

Viewed from this level of game, with Crimea reunited with Russia, the Ukraine becomes of secondary importance. Putin can sit back and allow the Ukraine to economically implode, with the Kiev Kriminals ironically protecting the borders to keep the slaves from escaping.

I did watch a lot of videos from Mariupol yesterday, plus one very long one reprising Odessa. You are correct, Saker, that these are a different sort of Nazi, no less brutal, but inefficient. Even in such small numbers as they obviously are, they are not doing the damage they could be doing with those tanks.

I’ve decided that is because they are conflicted. They are trying to bait the Russians, but they have a line to tread not to arouse the populace too much – and that includes those cross women we saw at the tent city in Odessa before it was burned, the ones who were shocked at the language of the young people, their shoddy ways. If the ‘government’ loses them they are lost completely.

So, they dashed into Mariupol, fired, did damage, and dashed out again (except for one tank which broke down) and when the tanks are moving slowly people can challenge them because that would look bad to Ukrainians if they fired. They have to do damage and leave as fast as possible. And in the long video of Odessa I watched, there’s a bit about how people are ‘helping’, with the narrator saying over and over he hopes few casualties – they are trying to hijack the narrative as well and not succeeding. That’s a very important side of their tactics. To be seen wielding power, but not too much power. Appear as goodhearted, ordinary folks to the home audience – a threat to the populace to Russia so they will intervene.

And they have to pretend, for international consumption, that they have done more damage than they have – while inflicting a minimal amount of terror on the east population so the entire population won’t turn against them.

That is not the classic Nazi way. And even such brief sorties are captured on cameras by ordinary people, so they can’t win. The populace will turn, is turning.

I’d sure like to hear what those upset ladies are saying today.

The ability of Russia to refrain from intervening, ( the Zen master and the boy who finds a horse ….. “we’ll see”), will be greater than the ability of the Kiev government to provoke Russia to intervene.

Given that the eastern Ukrainians *seem* able to fend off, at great expense to life and limb, the inept Kiev-Neo-nazis. We will be left with a total utter mess, and in effect a stalemate. Then a pause.

In other words, Putins ability to sit on his hands and not intervene. When it has played out, with an inept and broke Kiev on one side, and a resolute, independent Eastern Ukraine on the other side, and NATO looking like fools. Then he can step in and act like the only grow up in the room.

The challenge is to sit on your hands and he’s quite good at that.

Even in such small numbers as they obviously are, they are not doing the damage they could be doing with those tanks.

That’s because they have contracted themselves out to Putin. It’s the only thing that makes sense. Using Western funds via Nuland the Russian mole under the guise of a NeoCon, Putin funds these Fascist jokers and they do just enough to make the West look incompetent and Putin look restrained. Putin couldn’t have asked for anything better…and that’s because he did ask for the Pravyi Sektor and got it. The West is in cahoots because they don’t denounce this for what it is because to do so would betray their involvement.

The WWON (World Wide Oligarch Network) wants a civil war in Ukraine and the proxies (Pravyi Sector and Russian Separatists) egged on by special forces from both the West and East in this joint venture are lighting the match. So far, the Ukrainian people still aren’t biting…but for how long? It also explains why Putin has backed off and isn’t even feigning invasion any longer…because as I’ve said before and all along, that was never the plan. The plan is for proxies with the support of special forces from East & West to stoke a bloody civil war and in the smokey, smoldering aftermath, the former Ukraine is Balkanized with East and West divvying it up and sharing the spoils lying beneath the ashes.

Indeed, US PNACis and their Yatzi patzis are HALFASCISTS!