The Shrinking Cauldron – The Surrender of the 72nd Brigade
The Southern Cauldron has entered the final stages of its existence; the agony of the units deprived of provisions has begun.
The Surrender of the 72nd Brigade
Original: Colonel Cassad LiveJournal
Translated from Russian by Gleb Bazov
Today, the remnants of the 72nd Separate Mechanized Brigade fled into the territory of the Russian Federation. According to Russia Today:
Four hundred and thirty eight Ukrainian servicemen have requested asylum in Russia and moved into the Russian territory. According to ITAR-TASS, this was announced by the Border Guard department of the Federal Security Service (“FSB”) of Russia.
Map: Operational information from the Cauldron.
No agreement with respect to the surrender of all the surrounded has been reached yet (the negotiations that were reported earlier are still ongoing). Accordingly, the Cauldron is starting to break up into parts. The 72nd Brigade for all intents and purposes has ceased to exist due to ammunition and food rations running out. They held on while they still had resources and then began to exit into the territory of the Russian Federation – at first in separate groups, followed by the surviving remnants of the once full-fledged brigade.
The hardware was all abandoned at their positions, which continue to be controlled by Junta troops that have not yet surrendered. When militiamen would drive up on tanks as close as 400 metres away from the positions of the Junta, there was no return fire – there is simply nothing to fire back with. Some of the soldiers of the 72nd Brigade had no rounds left during the surrender; others had 1-2 magazines per automatic rifle.
There is also information that among those who did not surrender there are Polish mercenaries, which essentially explains the stubbornness of the resistance (a serious international scandal is possible).
Those who remain in this part of the Cauldron were given an ultimatum to surrender and exit to Russia and not to touch the hardware. Otherwise, the Grads will start working again. Strained arguments are ongoing there now; military commanders are reasoning that the potential for resistance has been exhausted and that they must surrender so as not to kill people in vain. Pravoseki [Note: Praviy Sector militants], mercenaries and the political zealots are demanding that the resistance be continued at all cost. As a result, a complete surrender is likely impossible – the majority of the military personnel will surrender and others will be leveled [with Grad MLRS], particularly in view of the fact that they have nothing to respond with.
I expect that this group will cease to exist in the course of 2-3 days, following which the Cauldron will shrink in half, and the Militia will start dealing with the remnants of the 24th and the 79th Brigades.
Map: Predicted Retreat Routes for the Troops Surrounded in the Southern Cauldron.
In order for you better to understand what has happened, those who surrendered were the remnants of the 72nd Brigade that were driven from Izvarino and Sverdlovsk toward the border with the Russian Federation. At the same time, the Cauldron continues to exist in the gap between Marinovka and Birukovo, where the remnants of the 79ths Separate Aeromobiles Brigade and the 24th Separate Mechanized Brigade, as well as the various reinforcement units and punitive formations, continue to hold defensive positions.
Overall, the Southern Cauldron now has truly entered the final stages of its existence; the agony of the units deprived of provisions has begun.
Photograph: Ukrainian Troops After Crossing into the Russian Territory.
And this note by Russia Today is specifically about those who intend to cross the Russian border in the nearest future. They simply face the same problems as the 72nd Separate Mechanized Brigade (“OMBR”).
One more group of Ukrainian servicemen intends to cross the border into Russia after almost 440 soldiers and officers of the Ukrainian Armed Forces crossed into the territory of the adjacent country in the night of August 4th. As reported by ITAR-TASS, quoting the head of the press service of the Border Guard department of the FSB in the Rostov region, the exact number of servicemen that intend to cross into the Russian Federation is still unknown.
The Junta’s Version
A group of servicemen of the 72nd Motorized Brigade was forced to retreat into the territory of the Russian Federation because they ran out of ammo during a battle with the terrorists. This was announced to RBK-Ukraine by Alexey Dmitrashkovskiy, a representative of the press-centre of the antiterrorist operation in Donbass.
According to Dmitrashkovskiy: “Servicemen of the 72nd Brigade divided into two units. The first unit broke through the ring of terrorists, and the second unit covered these servicemen. After that, one of the units had their ammo and provisions run out. Military hardware that was on the battlefield was damaged. After that the personnel was forced to transport into the area of the border crossing checkpoint in Russia. According to latest information, the servicemen are in the territory of Russia. The number of the servicemen is being confirmed.” According to his statements, reinforcements have already arrived to assist the servicemen that covered those who were breaking through the ring of terrorists.
Earlier, the Russian Federal Security Service (“FSB”) stated that more than 400 Ukrainian soldiers have requested asylum in the Russian Federation. As it was clarified, a humanitarian corridor was opened for the Ukrainian military and they were allowed to cross into Russia.
The remnants of the 79th Aeromobile and the 24th Motorized Rifle Brigade and Battalion Shakhter continue to remain in the Southern Cauldron. Just south of this grouping is Battalion Azov.
The 72nd Brigade
Original: El Murid LiveJournal
Translated from Russian by Gleb Bazov
Negotiations with respect to the surrender of one more group of the punitive forces are ongoing. The identity of the specific unit involved has not been disclosed.
Most likely, the sonderkommando Azov and Shakhter will not be surrenedering. Other than that, the shattered units of the 3rd Spetsnaz Regiment also continue to remain near Izvarino. Accordingly, it is too early to talk about the Southern Cauldron being liquidated. According to all indication, it will likely shrink in size and the Militia will continue to blockade it. In principle, as it is, this grouping has been sitting there quietly, only occasionally shooting. When we drove from Krasnodon to Sverdlovsk, we passed through the territory formally controlled by the grouping – without any problems whatsoever.
It appears that the only benefit that can be gained from the fact of the surrender of the punitive forces is the shrinking of the frontlines and the freeing up of a relatively small part of the Militia forces. It looks like this reserve (if it is at all created) will be redeployed to Snezhnoye and Shakhtersk to reinforce the positions there.
Now, I know Berezin raises a lot of eyebrows and his statements here certainly will. I leave it to your discretion what to do with this, but sending anyways. GB
[Note by the Saker: I concur with Gleb, the Ukies have already declared THREE partial mobilizations, where does all that manpower go? The real casualty figures on the Ukrainian side must be staggering and absolutely horrible. The Saker]
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Three Statements by Fyodor Berezin (Strelkov’s Deputy)
Preamble: Provided for you in reverse chronological order are three recent statements by Fyodor Berezin, Igor Strelkov’s Deputy, with respect to the Ukrainian army’s losses at the front in Donbass. His statements will appear to many to be controversial. The writer of this note, for one, has no difficulty believing Berezin, who bases his reports on concrete information received from the battlefront.
August 3, 2014 – Video: Fyodor Berezin, DPR Deputy Minister of Defence Speaks About the Ratio of Forces at the Front
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Yjx2HGdiis
Reporter: So, not too long ago, a resource called “The Free Information Zone” published an article comparing the weaponry of the Militia with that of the Ukrainian army. And so, we were hoping to have this information either confirmed or denied and, in general, to obtain some kind of commentary. According to this article, the Junta’s advantage in terms of military hardware is six hundred to five. In other words, where we have five tanks, the Ukrainian Junta has six hundred. The advantage in personnel is ten to one. In other words, the Junta has about thirty five thousand men, while we have five to seven thousand. This is according to various information. What can you say about this article by an allied resource?
Fyodor Berezin: It is elementary. It is understandable that Ukraine has hoarded a lot of tanks dating back to the days of the USSR. Right? And all of them have been concentrated here, against the Donetsk Republic. And if some Romania attacked now, it would occupy the entire Ukraine – it would be that easy. There are no tanks and no Grads left there, and probably no soldiers too. Unless they call up the disabled.
With respect to the ratio of the forces – it is obvious that a whole bunch of regions of Ukraine will exceed two regions, considering, particularly, that they are incomplete. Accordingly, there do possess superiority – it is there – but so what? In whose favour is the real ratio of losses at the front? In other words …
Reporter: Well, thirteen thousand Ukrainian died – the Junta’s soldiers – so we can see …
Fyodor Berezin: I do not know how many of them died [in total]. I know that this night and the previous night, just in the area of Shakhtersk, there is approximately a thousand dead on the Ukrainian side. That is an ocean of blood. A sea of dead Ukrainian soldiers. And they keep crawling and crawling here. And conscription centres keep recruiting them; they keep crying that they are forcibly conscripted. So what is it? They are forced to go to war to their death, and they do not resist? Do not join this army that sends you to your death!
First it is forty of them, then it is one hundred and twenty five, then one hundred, and so on – I mean just tanks, BMPs, and other armoured vehicles. Whole columns of them are destroyed; every night we destroyed several of them, and it is all left burning there. And inside them are people, all these Ukrainian guys that decided to come to fight here, to demonstrate their patriotism. They perform their so-called duty to their Ukie motherland – to Poroshenko’s fascist motherland.
Ukrainian mothers, please take your children back. Wives take back your husbands. Children take back your father, while they are still alive. Or the entire Western Ukraine soon enough will lose its gene pool. Otherwise all of them will find their death here. Despite everything, we will expel them all. If they resist too much, we will escort them further. They should leave before it’s too late and leave the hardware here, while it is still functional. Give it another few days, and it will all be destroyed.
Be it one to a hundred or one to ten, there is no difference. Understand, they burn and burn regardless.
15:29 – July 3, 2014 – Commentary from Fyodor Berezin (Strelkov’s Deputy)
And nevertheless.
Judging by the reactions to my previous posting (with respect to the enemy’s armoured vehicle losses, totaling 125 units, near Shakhtersk) nobody believes anything.
No wonder. I would not have believed it myself. Even in my books I have always tried to make losses fifty-fifty. However, today the situation is different. Here is something, just for your information.
On average – on regular days – the Kiev Junta loses between 30 and 40 armoured vehicles a day. The main area where they suffer losses is Shakhtersk and Snezhnoye. Now also added to that is Maryinka and one more direction near Donetsk.
On average, every one or two days, the Junta army sustains very serious losses. I.e. up to 100 units of military hardware and between 700 and 1000 soldiers killed. And these are not fairytales.
I do not know how much armour the Juntoids have left. Do not have time to engage in analytics. I presume, and there is information that confirms these speculations, that they are already using old tank stocks from the Warsaw Pact. We have evidence with respect to Polish hardware.
We catch mercenaries. Moreover, from very remote areas of the world. For now, not everything can be disclosed.
And, as usual, an appeal to the moms of the western regions. Take away your children from Donbass. Otherwise, every single one of them will burn in the “boxes” [Note: armoured vehicles] or next to them.
22:48 – July 29, 2014 – Briefing from Fyodor Berezin (Strelkov’s Deputy)
Yesterday [July 28, 2014], Shakhtersk witnessed the Prokhorovka of our times.
The total enemy losses of military hardware over the past day in Shakhtersk are 125 (one hundred and twenty five) vehicles, including tanks, BMPs, BTRs. Multiply this number by the size of their crews, and you get a very impressive result.
We warned them, did we not? Get the hell out of Donbass! And you did not believe us. Mothers, wives, sisters! Take your Ukie warriors back! Or you will completely lose the Ukie nation’s gene pool. Where are the Maidans protesting the mobilization? Poroshenko, my chocolate one, your own will soon tear you to pieces!
Excellent and of course not a peep in the Western Corporate Media
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1. 13,000 dead Ukis. That number seems way high. How are they coordinating funerals for that many dead or are the bodies left in the field
2. What about the dead Americans? Is there any press reports about funerals in America from serving in Donbass?
3. Whereabouts of Randy Allen Key? A cursory google search yields nothing on this in the Western media
4. Are Right Sektor and mercenaries allowed to surrender or dispatched with extreme prejudice
I am very impressed with the compassion that Russia is showing it’s Ukrainian brothers. The dual citizen oligarchs in Kiev are the enermy and the evil murderers.
Gleb Bazov,
Thank you for your translations.
What would we do without you?
This explains why there was no news about Ukraine in the MSM today. The Ukrainians had a very bad day.
I’d guess Berezin is exaggerating for the sake of propaganda.
This is quite extraordinary. As outnumbered as they are the militia has saved their territory.
I think that the those troops who are refusing to surrender must be mercenaries. They are foolish to be so stubborn. Do they think their masters will save them?
Don’t they realize they were only cannon fodder to begin with?
It was mentioned that they could be Polish. I would bet there are Amerikan advisors there too.
Berezin said he cannot tell everything yet.
I hate to even mention this but…it is possible that the rabid dogs of Ukie could now use ballistic missiles and even target those pretreatment chemical plants. Killing their own as well….
It’s not over until the fat lady sings.
My heart goes out to all who have been injured in this horrible horrible disaster.
Christine
Two young Spanish volunteers give an interview in English on what they have seen in the Donbass. This is really very good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=UUCFziMleDqlLWKtwNgpSRDQ&v=JV_z3Pz21PI
Actually there’s a phenomenon of military psychology where defeated soldiers just sit passively and wait for the death blow. If these numbers are true, maybe that’s what’s happening to the Ukrainian Army – they’re not fighting back properly because they’re resigned to their own deaths.
Look at the KIA/WIA ratios for the US in Iraq and compare with Ukraine. Ukraine has a low KIA/WIA ratio which is suspect in modern war with modern medicine. I think the Ukraine wounded rates are much higher, and they are easier to hide. It’s very hard to hide KIA.
On average – on regular days – the Kiev Junta loses between 30 and 40 armoured vehicles a day…
On average, every one or two days, the Junta army sustains very serious losses. i.e. up to 100 units of military hardware and between 700 and 1000 soldiers killed. And these are not fairytales…
If that’s, in fact, the case, perhaps this statement isn’t quixotic:
The Turnout Point of War – Statement of Pavel Gubarev
source
Pavel Gubarev, Acting Head of the Mobilization Department for Ministry of Defense of the Donestk People’s Republic, today 4th August 2014, stated next:
What we are watching is a turning point in this war. We are confidently moving towards our victory. Ukrainian army is turning into nothing. All of them are surrendering, fleeing across the border into the Russian Federation, unwilling to fight.
The mobilization is bogging down, fighting spirit waning; that is why I can assuredly predict: we will not only reach Kiev, we will reach Lviv, and we will strangle this scum in order for Ukrainians to forget about Bandera, Shukhevych and the integral Ukrainian Nationalism for another 3 or 4 hundred years.
I must underline, that we are not fighting with Ukrainians – we are fighting with Ukrainian Nazis. These two mentalities differ greatly. That is why we appeal to the Ukrainians who had by ill fortune found themselves in the Ukrainian Army, or were forcibly mobilized: surrender and we will treat you with good will. Otherwise, desert the army. This is the best way out.
As for those Ukrainian Nazis who with their pupils widened yelled “heil to heroes!” in Maidan – they are the above mentioned fascist scum, and they will not be spared!
From now on we will do nothing but drive away the bastards. We will not allow making the land of Donbass a fracking field for Western companies***. We will not let them turn Donbass into a plundered desert. We want to see our region green, flourishing and rich. This is exactly what we are fighting for.
*** MAP: Ukraine fracking areas (someone on another post today asked for this also)
VIDEO [02:05] (English captions) + ENGLISH TRANSCRIPT:
Down With Mobilization! A Protest in the Village of Voloka
Propaganda on both sides. 1000 ukrainian soldiers KIA per day, it’s Verdun killing pace. There is no way a simple militia, in forest and field midst, could achieve that.
They could have that number of dead. They were not shipping them home right from the beginning. They harvest organs, they leave them in the forest for animals, some units do mass burials.
No sense of the losses because they don’t ship them home. If and when the mothers figure this out, Maidan will be burnt down.
We know in the last month they have taken huge losses. And most wounded are left to die, so mortality figures are very high. No triage. No MASH units, no search and rescue.
In the war they are fighting, they lose men half-dozen at a time, and if they get caught in a column, they lose them, literally, by the scores of men.
The Ukies fight in brigades of armor. They usually send in 100-200 men in vehicles.
If you look at Live Leak or Col. Cassad each day, you see the toll in vehicles.
To reach 3000 in a month is quite easy. That’s only 200 mortar shells, plus, maybe 200 RPG’s hitting their targets to reach that total. Add some GRADS and anti-tank missiles and you can see the body count is very doable.
Now there are land mines and some use of IED’s by the militia.
The militia does not just stand and engage. They scout, maneuver and trap the Ukies.
I tend to believe that the incompetence of the military decision makers combined with the style of warfare, and the tactics of the militia are the ingredients that make the enormous losses for the Ukies very reasonable calculations.
Low end: 9000
High end: 12,000
Some Ukie battalions are working on their third reload of troops.
And don’t forget. Standing behind each Ukie is a psychopath aiming at his back if he doesn’t move forward into gunfire. When they dig up those mass graves, they’ll find a lot of young men shot by their own.
Not a peep about this in the corporate media. No NYT no CNN. No Huff Poo. no Associated Propaganda
If you search Ukraine army surrenders at Wash’n Poo you would think the rebels are on the verge of collapse
Saker you need to become a news wire service. No one is covering this like you do
You deserve a Pulitzer
Thanks to Gleb. I would urge Gleb to contact @asluhn and @harrietsalem and turn them on to the Novorussian sources. Over several months they have proved far more accurate than Kiev, even adjusted for military secrecy and propaganda.
So far, apparently, a Swedish prosecutor’s office and the Red Cross have defined the conflict as a civil war. Can another country or an international body define the conflict such that the parties can receive international aid, or must we remain trapped in Kiev’s delusional ‘ATO’ definition? Certainly, if the US attempts a ‘terrorist’ designation, Moscow will arrange political support. And Russia may be on the verge of providing some Chinese-funded humanitarian aid. Since the militia controls enough of the border, lay it on.
I’d like to see foreign aid from Cuba, Nicaragua, Ecuador and Venezuela to Novorussia. That would be a strong statement.
In fact I believe the Kremlin has been working on political and humanitarian aid coming from the anti-Western bloc behind the scenes for some time now.
Those Ukie troops must learn to frag the Nazi officers pushing them to fight.
Sad to say Rumsfeld seems to have had a lasting effect on English usage by replacing the word “wounded” with “injured”; if you are hit in battle that is normally a wound, not an injury.
A wound never heals; an injury means you are out for some weeks or months. The French as usual are more honest, their expression is mutilé de guerre.
How rude of me to not thank Gleb and Col. Cassad. We would be shrouded in darkness without these sit-reps
If you read the corporate media, now that they have stopped covering Ukraine/MH17 since their side is losing/guilty, you would be led to believe that Pol Pot Shenko would be eating dead Moskal babies in Donetz any day now
Mission accomplished
We warned them, did we not? Get the hell out of Donbass! And you did not believe us. Mothers, wives, sisters! Take your Ukie warriors back! Or you will completely lose the Ukie nation’s gene pool. Where are the Maidans protesting the mobilization? Poroshenko, my chocolate one, your own will soon tear you to pieces!
Lolol!
Whatever their crimes im very glad this group surrenderd. Im glad they wont be wiped out, and most of all im glad that some tiny part of this increasingly sick and hideous war is over. I hope they tell everyone at home what a fraud this “ATO”campign is, and how it cannot ultimately succeed. It cannot succeed because even if all of the Donbas were overrun, the hardest and most ferocious of the militia would carry on guerilla war. Of course, that wont happen because Russia now knows they cannot allow it to happen. I hope Ukrainians throw off those occupation government. I hope they do so before the inter.
How rude of me to not thank Gleb and Col. Cassad. We would be shrouded in darkness without these sit-reps
If you read the corporate media, now that they have stopped covering Ukraine/MH17 since their side is losing/guilty, you would be led to believe that Pol Pot Shenko would be eating dead Moskal babies in Donetz any day now
Mission accomplished
Type ‘Ukraine’ into the Jewish run Google service, then click on the news tab. Do this each day, and the nature of the headlines Google promotes (never any from the Russian side) will give you an astonishing insight into how the zionist propaganda game is really played.
Today, there was a massive shift in the ‘tone’ of the zionist headlines. Every Jew working at Reuters, BBC, CNN, Guardian, NYT etc had been slavering with anticipation (after the daily act of self-pleasuring over the latest batch of pictures of dead children from Gaza) at the imminent prospect of the fall of Novorussia.
But how can even the filthiest ‘journalist’ hold onto that fantasy when the undeniable event of 500 of Ukraine’s ‘best’ legging it into Russia happens. And then, Russia begins a massive show of force on the border with Ukraine.
Well, here’s the thing. These Jews that hold all the senior and significant positions in our ‘wonderful’ ‘free’ press in the UK, USA and Europe, had been told that their neo-Nazi buddies had just moved every form of WMD to the outskirts of the Novorussian cities, and were about to go all ‘Gaza’ on them. You can imagine their excitement. Another mass of ‘sub-Human’ cattle slaughtered at the command of the ‘chosen people’.
But now, boo-hoo, they fear that nasty old Putin may give their neo-Nazi servants a ‘spanking’ if they activate ‘Operation Gaza’. I mean, you can get their point, when even the most slavish followers of the zionist mass media machine are getting very ‘animated’ about the Jewish genocide in Palestine.
Sadly, we all know here that Novorussia will ultimately fall if Putin doesn’t send in peace-keepers, but this fate is still some time away. If the Kiev neo-Nazis stick to flooding each new conquered territory with vicious secret-police units, the defenders won’t have proper targets to take on, and will be gradually worn down.
But emulating the evil of the Jews, and launching an all out Holocaust strike against major population centres, will force even Putin to intervene- probably with limited air-strikes reducing Kiev missile/rocket/cannon/mortar units to atoms. And this would put back Obama’s plans for Ukraine by a significant number of months- maybe even forcing Obama to give up on Novorussia for the time being, and focus on building up for the attack against Crimea.
http://rt.com/news/177956-kiev-abandons-ukrainian-soldiers/
The truth about MH17 is coming out. It WILL come out. Ukranian warplanes gunned it down, I think the OSCE observers know this. One of them said it looked like automatic cannon fire did it (he actually said “a very very strong machine gun” )..People have to consider whats next. If The Ukraine govt. did this (and it looks like they did ) Americans and Europeans HAD to know it was going to happen or at the least, knew immediately after.My guess is they will sacrifice the pilots ..How I don’t even care to guess.
@ Christine,
Q: It’s not over until the fat lady sings.
R: Actually it’s the ‘opera’ and in the Kiev Fascists’ case ‘The Phantom of the opera.’
I expect a Polish and Baltics attack on Crimea anyday. obviously the U-KKK-rainian army can’t fight for shit.
Bombing and raping is easy. Real War is hard.
Mass murderer Obama and Sec’y of Perpetual War Kerry will deal with this as soon as they are done fellating Netanyahu and golfing and yachting in the Hamptons
@anon 1:30
I am hoping Argentina is the first recipient of a BRICS Bank loan
“1. 13,000 dead Ukis. That number seems way high. How are they coordinating funerals for that many dead or are the bodies left in the field” Concur with this. Kiev could shush up the mothers of 1,500-2,000 dead soldiers who haven’t heard from their boys in weeks, through hyperaggressive SBU censorship and Right Sector thugs threatening families. But even this will only work for some time as it’s no coincidence that the anti-war draft notice burning demonstrations started in Nykolaev which is the home base of the doomed 79th AirMobile brigade trapped in the cauldron.
Ukie spin on Twitter tonight arguing with the gloomy German/Ukie @Conflict Reporter guy is that the catastrophe in the Southern Cauldron doesn’t matter, it’s just like the Alamo a prelude to victory and these guys were sacrificed to buy the ATO critical time to take Donetsk.
I don’t think that spin is correct. If the entire flank of the Ukie offensive in Lugansk oblast collapses that opens the door to NAF assaults on the Ukie units that partly block reinforcment between Luganska and Donetsk, especially around Gorlovka. Hitting those Ukie blocking units hard with GRADs and arty in a rebel counteroffensive would give the defenders of Donetsk a hell of a lot more to fight for. It would also destroy the Western MSM spin that Ukrainian forces are merely mopping up around Donetsk and Lugansk and the rebels are doomed. Strelkov isn’t stocking up on autumn/winter gear for nothing.
Kiev is unlikely to fully complete the ring around Donetsk anyway because as Saker pointed out weeks ago, encircling a city of 800,000 is a lot harder than circling Slovyiansk. In Slovyiansk the Ukies failed to fully seal the pocket around Slovyiansk, either out of incompetence or because they were instructed by the US advisors to give Strelkov and his men an ‘out’ to escape and thereby avoid bloody house to house fighting in a last stand for Strelkov and Motorola.
But I don’t see — even if some elements of the Vostok Battalion aren’t trustworthy (and surely have been mixed in with Strelkov’s men to keep an eye on them) with Strelkov there how the Ukies can avoid massive losses in men, tanks and APCs moving into the urban terrain of Donetsk. Even the pro-Kiev UK Telegraph journalist was comparing a final battle for Donetsk to the Russian army trying to take Grozny in 1994.
Of course eventually even in a knock down drag out suicidal fight without resupply the NAF in the city will run out of ammo. But I doubt there’s any shortage of RPGs, ATGMs, and Soviet claymore mines to kill the Ukies at close range in Donetsk. Urban combat has that way of negating advantages in manpower and arty, as the Germans found out at Stalingrad.
@Anunnaki said…
That’s a very good point. The coverage conveniently stops when their side is losing. Which is good news for the fine people of Novorossiya.
I do think Bezler’s numbers are too high. But Larchmonter has a point too. Of course not every BMD/BMP that brews up kills the whole crew. But when an ATGM especially even of the ‘Fagot’ kind (and the NAF may have the even more deadly and longer ranged latest generation Koronets) hits a T-64 or BMD/BMP, it chars the whole thing outside and fries the crew. Based on the horrific photos I am seeing from Shahktersk, some Ukrainian crewmen manage to crawl out while on fire before dying.
If the war drags on at the current killing/wounding pace and Kiev continues to pour men into the meatgrinder and especially in urban combat around or inside Donetsk, 9,000-10,000 Ukie KIA seems possible.
I think the real number is about 2,000-3,000 combat deaths and times two or three wounded (the Ukies MASH and helicopter medevac considering the MANPAD threat may be piss poor). WEEKS of silence from sons who were telling their mothers everything was fine at the front would explain a sudden explosion in anti-war protests by babushkas, though no mother dares show her face on camera yet saying ‘my son is probably dead and Kiev has been lying that he’s ok for weeks’. Parents of wounded Ukie soldiers would also have every reason to keep quiet for fear of Right Sector thugs burning their house down or coming to kill them at night as an example to others to keep quiet. But even in the Nazi Third Reich the sheer meatgrinder followed by disaster at Stalingrad could not be hidden. The NAF by forcing the surrender of the Southern Cauldron this week is handing the Ukies their Battle of Moscow-equivalent defeat. Now it’s time to give the Ukies a Stalingrad level meatgrinder near Donetsk that even the lying MSM won’t be able to hide and the correspondents on the ground will have no choice but to cover.
There are, as many saavy observers of the Western MSM coverage of this conflict have observed, virtually no Western journos embedded with the NAF to observe the death toll. LifeNews or ANNA reporting of scores of Ukie bodies can be dismissed as Russian propaganda. And I do not think it’s a coincidence Western journalists like Alec Luhn stay the hell out of Dnepropetrovsk, where most of the wounded and likely a large amount of the KIA from the front are being shipped. Given Kholomoisky’s reputation for psychopathy and cruelty even a journalist holding a UK or US passport might fear getting ‘fatally mugged’ or ‘suicided’ and then dumped into the Dnieper. Any Western journo as it is given the treatment Graham Phillips received has to be careful even about reaching out to the soldiers’ mothers protesters in Western Ukraine, lest they share Graham’s fate.
Despite all of this I don’t see how the junta can hide its combat death toll for much longer. Too many Ukrainians are talking from Kiev to Transcarpathia to Odessa.
Thank you for the amazing information. DO NOT USE GOOGLE FOR SEARCJING NEWS. It is seriously MANIPULATED because GOOGLE is a MARKETING outlet i.e. IT WILL TELL YOU WHAT MOST PEOPLE ARE SEARCHING AND READING and not what is (are) the most important news.
HERE IS A MUCH BETTER SEARCH ENGINE FROM THE UK:
http://WWW.NEWSNOW.CO.UK
Type a key-word e.g. Donetsk and it will list all the news from around the world TIMELY and that have that key word in the title. And you can do a lot more . . .
CHEERS FROM ANTIFASCIST CANADIAN
… so according to Berezin, for the Ukies a true Berezina is happening right now!
… I know, I know, it’s bad, I’m outta here :)
Lol, Berezin called the Ukie minions “Juntoids”.
I’ve used freaks, cretins, knuckle draggers, psychos, etc, but that is my new descriptor from now on (and I hope “from now on” isn’t much longer).
Amazing reports.
@ #1 As to 13000 dead. . . Easy to believe . . not many funerals are being performed . . Mass graves with the bodies bulldozed into them seems to be the order of the day. Western media have commented on the finding of these. . . .hinting that it’s the militia killing civilians. Yeah right !!!
As to the Right Sector & captured foreigners – battle field executions are too good for them. huge public trials attended by the world media should happen. I know, I know The western puke presstitutes will scream kangaroo court but Russia Today will cover/editorialize it correctly and a LOT of people in the west watch / read RT.
Azov & assorted scum may well need to be grad-ed into pieces as they will probably not surrender. So be it. The atrocities they have committed in Odessa, the “disappearances” all over Novorussya & in the west of Ukraine have turned my stomach & I have zero compassion for them
Oh and Gleb – thank you very much for the translations. . . . the web based translations are crap
Chris in Ch-Ch
@CHEERS FROM ANTIFASCIST CANADIAN
Just took a quick peek at the search engine you suggested and the mobile version had a couple of top searches on the home page. Not sure how they are funded or how their search algorithms work and have yet to actually enter a term into the engine, but if the following top search is any indication, it seems promising or maybe it read minds, lol…
A Nail in Zionism’s Coffin?
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL1408/S00018/a-nail-in-zionisms-coffin.htm
DumpHarper!
As to the “resounding silence” (dröhnendes Schweigen) in the Western Media, here is a short notice about the information politics in the German MSM:
The German Webpage of the Tagesschau (http://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/ukraine-russland-114.html) had this news yesterday evening:
Der Grenzübertritt von mehr als 400 ukrainischen Soldaten nach Russland gibt Rätsel auf. Sowohl die ukrainische als auch die russische Regierung bestätigten den Vorfall. Beide Konfliktparteien gaben aber widersprüchliche Erklärungen: Kiew bezeichnete die Überschreitung der Grenze als “taktisches Manöver” – Moskau sprach hingegen von Fahnenflucht.
Die ukrainische Regierung widersprach der russischen Darstellung scharf, räumte aber ein, dass Hunderte ihrer Soldaten sich auf russischem Staatsgebiet aufhalten. Ein Sprecher des Verteidigungsministeriums erklärte, 311 Soldaten und Grenzschützer seien bei Kämpfen mit den Separatisten gezwungen gewesen, auf russisches Staatsgebiet auszuweichen.
(Google translation) The border crossing of more than 400 Ukrainian soldiers to Russia is an enigma. Both the Ukrainian and the Russian government confirmed the incident. However, both parties gave contradictory statements: Kiev said it was as “tactical maneuver” – Moscow spoke, however, of desertion.
The Ukrainian government disagreed sharply with the Russian representation, but admitted that hundreds of its soldiers were on Russian territory. A Defense Ministry spokesman said 311 soldiers and border guards were forced during the fighting with the separatists to switch to Russian territory.
In view that Göbbels told lies about imminent victories nearly till the last hour (see: August 4 (RIA Novosti) – Ukraine’s Defense Minister Valeriy Heletei claims that government troops are close to defeating independence militia in the southeast of the country) and Svoboda had a „Josef-Goebbels-Zentrums“ (Die faschistische Partei Swoboda … hat ihr Forschungszentrum für Politik umbenannt. Es heißt jetzt nicht mehr nach Josef Goebbels, wie bisher, sondern nunmehr nach Ernst Jünger) this statement from Kiev is the top of stupidity.
As all of you know, there was never a whisper about the Southern Cauldron (the information about it, however, was frequently mentioned in the commentaries citing your site), the average news consumer is now scratching his head in total mystification.
I am curious how the spin about this is going to unfold today. They celebrated the victory of Slavyansk and the imminent victory of Donetsk, so what now?
Angelika
Why don’t the people of the Kiev metropolitan area (3+ million) turn out in their hundreds of thousands in protest against an oligarch junta pretending to be their government? What does it take to make them realize what’s coming their way with the IMF’s structural adjustment program, the impending state bankruptcy, the energy crisis and the cold winter? What does it take to make their mass-protest as determined and persistent as the foreign organized and financed fake protest in Maidan? In any case, if this should happen it would mean the end of the junta and I do hope that ‘Kievians’ will be smart enough to block their escape routes (helipads, airports, railways, motorways etc.) so the bastards can be held to account. I can’t wait to see piglet & co dangling from the Kiev lamp posts. It would also be a good idea to dispatch a well trained suit & tie swat team to Switzerland to take care of … well, you know who.
On 05 August, 2014 03:21 American Kulak wrote
I do think Bezler’s numbers are too high.
[…]
I think the real number is about 2,000-3,000 combat deaths and times two or three wounded (the Ukies MASH and helicopter medevac considering the MANPAD threat may be piss poor).
There is another source for a substantial amount of casualties:
The amount of soldiers executed by the “lead behind” Nazis. There is a high number of deserters and those who refuse to engage in atrocities like indiscriminately levelling residential areas and other specialties that amount to war crimes. There have been discoveries of shallow mass graves since the introduction of this “quality control”.
Given the composition of the “national guard”, primarily jailbirds, mental cases and Bandera apologists, it’s quite likely that they increasingly find a liking on these executions and will make use of them for reasons far more trivial than the “official” ones. If the development of serial killers can be used as a guideline, you’ll inevitably see an escalation in both quantity and frequency of killings, as the mind builds up a higher resistance to the addiction.
Of course it could be that this kind of “quality control” is used as a convenient pretext for executing all the “moskals”. Recall that in the “liberated territories” young people are rounded up and sent to the meat grinder as cannon fodder. Maybe not even that, but immediately executed to be reported as “killed in action” afterwards (legalised murder). In any case, it makes for a much friendlier way of committing genocide as through concentration camps, which might be too hard to sell to American and European elites as “freedom” and “democracy”.
Б.
@Larchmonter445 and @Tar and Feather The Bastards:
Tend to agree with both of your observations. The numbers would definitely need to include the foreign recruits, oligarchs militias as well as the mercenaries that would never be counted under any circumstances. This would account for the lack of “official” counts.
As far as the conscripts and regular military personnel, we need to acknowledge that there are many that may not have a family nor friends that may care about their fate. Not only that but if we factor in those that may not have the means, nor desire to contact anyone back home or be contacted, the numbers are definitely plausible.
The Rusins and Hungarians are not the only ones to protest the conscription. The Roma refused to be called for service to kill the people of Donbass. They started to erect barricades. The local head of enlistment station was made to admit the conscription was illegal and had to stop the draft procedures in the district he was responsible for.
The conscription is in force only for common people. According to reports from Kiev, the former interim president and incumbent parliament speaker Alexander Turchinov has recently fired an enlistment official who dared to send a call-up paper to draft his son. The address to people of the head Mukachevo enlistment center is taken away from YouTube under the pretext of author’s rights violation, Kiev has ordered to normalize the situation in Mukachevo and re-start draft at any price till August 5.
The Ukrainian law envisages tough punishment for draft dodgers and those who resist to be called for service. But the discontent continues to expand. People ask what should they fight for? Why the children of high standing officials are not called to fill the military ranks? For instance, the son of Viktor Baloha, who is considered to be the boss of the Transcarpathian region. Why should only the poor be the ones to lose lives? One of the girls among protesters said her father and one of her brothers were drafted at the same time. The family has six children.
Transcarpathian Gambut – Strategic Culture Foundation
русская версия:
Закарпатский гамбит – Фонд Стратегической Культуры
Б.
Once again the West has advanced its agenda forward by disingenuously leveraging tragedy to sell otherwise unjustifiable and undesirable measures against a member of the international community. Stronger European sanctions against Russia had just failed in the days prior to the downing of MH17, but in the wake of the disaster, passed with ease. Likewise, providing Kiev with weapons and training was becoming increasingly unthinkable as their human rights record and their affiliations and proclivities toward Nazism became increasingly difficult to cover up or spin.
Now it appears the West has been able to work around these otherwise insurmountable obstacles and move the region closer toward war and further away from a settlement that would have surely left the West in an undesirable position in relation to Moscow. And as the West moves forward toward what it believes is a more desirable outcome, ascertaining the truth behind what downed MH17 will become an inconvenience. While the West used the memories of those lost in the tragedy to portray Russia and eastern Ukraine as heartless and indifferent to the suffering of innocent lives lost – it is the West who is now demonstrably obstructing justice for these people while shamelessly exploiting it to advance their geopolitical agenda both in Ukraine and against Russia.
Interest in MH17 Fades as Sanctions & War Edge Closer – NEO
Б.
Gleb Bazov
Thanks for the info and translations.
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The translation is not very good on the following article, but it appears the BBC got themselves in trouble in Russia over promoting one of the ZPC’s “color revolution” critters.
Русская служба BBC внесла правки в вызвавший претензии Роскомнадзора материал (BBC Russian service was amended in which caused the claims of Roscomnadzor material)
http://www.vz.ru/news/2014/8/5/698828.html (trans) http://translate.yandex.net/tr-url/ru-en.ru/www.vz.ru/news/2014/8/5/698828.html
Good to see Russia taking a proactive approach to these zio-media turds.
вот так
Another map on estimated oil and gas deposits in Ukraine
http://en.voicesevas.ru/news/analytics/2765-naked-goals-of-ukrainian-genocide-ii.html
The zio-media is saying in unison only 300 junta troops entered Russia. Why do they have different names for their media? Why not name the outlets all with the same name and simplify things for everyone?
Meanwhile, the zio-media, and the zionist quislings running the ZPC’s western colonies, are all very upset that Russia is holding military maneuvers in Russia without asking Tel Aviv/New York for their permission in advance to do this.
вот так
Can this info be verified on the deaths of US military advisors?
http://en.voicesevas.ru/news/yugo-vostok/2739-american-general-was-wounded-three-officers-killed-by-militia.html
I saw a video earlier today where the officer in charge yelled in english -stop when the APC in front of them hit a mine. Other Ukraine Army videos also show what looks like “US advisors” (Academi?) based on their body language and uniforms (kit)
Well I feel, thank heaven, that I’m about to be proven wrong, and when I awake I’ll be reading about a Mt Olympus size ‘spanking’ that Russian peace-keeping forces have just delivered to Obama’s Nazis, as they roll into Novorussia at last. It smells like imminent justice from our side, and also from the zionist filth side, where reporting has undergone an extraordinary shift in tone across the last 24 hours.
Of course, it may simply be the guilty-as-sin zionists holding their breath, certain that retribution is about to come down on their heads. But I pray, as I’m sure everyone else that visits this site does, that Putin is about to put a stop to this demonic horror story from the West.
In either case, may the universal force for good empower every man and women fighting against the neo-Nazi proxies of Israel, the EU and the USA, and give them victory across the next few days. Let mankind get off its knees and confront the demonic evil of the zionists wherever it now pollutes our planet, especially in Israel/Palestine, Saudi Arabia, the USA, and Brussels.
Never forget that without the service of the zionists, the uppermost ruling elites would be virtually helpless. The zionists are the soulless, racist warmongers that have specialised in devising new ways to torment ordinary Humanity on behalf of the worst demons they can find to serve. Of course, like the smarmy ‘butlers’ of popular fiction, the zionists are convinced that THEY are the real masters, and that the demons above them simply provide opportunity for maximum evil in the name of zionism.
The ordinary people of Novorussia should know that the monsters mass murdering them, and the monsters mass murdering the people of Gaza are one and the same.
If the numbers given by the militia are close to the truth these are indeed great news.
The Donbass is becoming the mass grave of nazism.
I hope for the complete victory of the militia and the rout of the fascist scum in Kiev.
All the fascists must be trialed and hanged, and Ukraine must be re-integrated into the RF.
Every part of it but for Galicia.
It should be left to the stupid poles. America’s stooges and the traitors of the Slavic race.
Glory to the heroes of Donbass!
quoted in the article Shakhtersk witnessed the Prokhorovka of our times
This is one very powerful statement. I have read three different histories of the Battle of Kursk. It was one incredible confrontation. This happened after the Battle of Stalingrad but there was still no doubt that the German armies had incredible offensive power. They expended it at Kursk and the finale at Prokhorovka on one afternoon changed the course of WWII.
I do hope that Donbas militias are not exaggerating here for that day at Prokhorovka was really a historic event. I do know that there are very, very few Americans have any idea what happened at Kursk and even many fewer that know what Prokhorovka signifies.
Whatever is happening around Shakhtersk, more power to the Donbas freedom fighters. God be with you good warriors.
Something is fishy here. IF as the US and kiev say these are terrorists and are backed and financed by Russia, the soldiers are committing suicide by going into Russia proper where they can disappear.
So Kiev needs to make up their mind. They are sending/ordering the soldiers to disarm and go into enemy territory to get their heads cut off and stuck on a pike.
Havent heard anything from flawed news girl psaki. Is she going to say freedom and democratic loving Ukrainians are willingly going to the den of criminals as a trojan horse? IF as many claim the self defense force is made up of rude green men with bifocals then would it not be easier to fight to the death so some cannibals wont eat their freshly cut liver?
http://youtu.be/OBxNZmDXwNI
http://youtu.be/IulwBHJdnZk
http://youtu.be/MbsaTqEub2Y
http://youtu.be/IyXSIoxbMqw
http://youtu.be/IVab4xlIMfg
Ample proof that the morale in the ranks of the Kiev forces is increasing not diminishing as Gleb Bazov claims.
Secondly, an army on the advance, is less likely to be demoralized than a retreating army. Why would morale decrease on the side that’s winning? Even the Novorossiya forces, who have yet to win any territory from Kiev since March and have accomplished little besides constantly threatening to cleanse Novorossiya of junta punishers in every publication, claim to have high morale.
Finally, if Kiev’s forces were getting slaughtered on the scale of Verdun, as Gleb is claiming, how come the victorious forces of Novorossiya aren’t at the gates of Kiev? They have yet to significantly reverse any of the territorial gains of Kiev, let alone begin an offensive of any mentionable scale, or protect the citizens of Donetsk and Lugnask from the carnage for that matter. And this with the now undeniable assistance and reinforcement of the Russian federations armed forces in both technical as well as manpower.
How can you claim with a straight face that the obvious resurgence and transformation of the Ukrainian armed forces in spite of Russia’s efforts to undermine it, as admitted by Sergey Glaziev, is a mirage. And that the reverse is the reality. Sometimes focusing too much on the minutiae blinds you to the obvious. Wake up folks, the Ukie army is growing in every respect, not weakening.
The Donbas volunteer in this video talks about large numbers of Ukrainian dead as far as I can gather from automatic translation. Perhaps a Russian speaker could have a quick listen to see if it worth putting this video in the queue for translation.
with apologies to CJ and the fish.
SONG OF THE UKIES
Well, come on all of you, big strong men,
Uncle Sam needs your help again.
Porochenkos in a chocolate fix,
Way down yonder in pick n mix
So put down your books and pick up a gun,
We’re gonna have a whole lotta fun.
And it’s one, two, three
What are we fighting for ?
Don’t ask me, I don’t give a damn,
Next stop is Russian land.
And it’s five, six, seven,
Open up the pearly gates,
Well there ain’t no time to wonder why,
Whoopee! we’re all gonna die.
Come on Wall Street, don’t be slow,
Why man, this is war its go-go-go
There’s plenty good money to be made
By supplying the EU with the tools of its trade,
Let Putin pray that if we get the bomb,
We,ll drop it on the Choco-One..
And it’s one, two, three
What are we fighting for ?
Don’t ask me, I don’t give a damn,
Next stop is Russian land.
And it’s five, six, seven,
Open up the pearly gates,
Well there ain’t no time to wonder why,
Whoopee! we’re all gonna die.
Well, come Neo-nazis, let’s move fast;
Your big chance has come at last.
Now you can go out and get those reds
‘Cause the only good Russki is the one that’s dead
And you know that peace can only be won
When we’ve blown ’em all to kingdom come.
Come on mothers throughout Ukraine,
Pack your boys off for Donbass gain.
Come on fathers, and don’t hesitate
To send your sons off before it’s too late.
And you wont be the first ones on your block
To have your boy come home in a box.
And it’s one, two, three
What are we fighting for ?
Don’t ask me, I don’t give a damn,
Next stop is Russian land.
And it’s five, six, seven,
Open up the pearly gates,
Well there ain’t no time to wonder why,
Whoopee! we’re all gonna die.
XbNB
Well, it is now officially impossible to know what is going on in Eastern Ukraine. There are two entirely different narratives is place.
@Antifascist Canadian
Well….I went to this site and used Keyword “Donetsk” and almost every item declares that Ukraine is encircling Donetsk and it is just about ready to enter.
Not one item addressing the recent surrender of 400+ crossing into Russia
@Anonymous 05 August, 2014 04:45
Went to the scoop.co.nz and found a disgusting article by
Michael Hammerschlag’s articles (HAMMERNEWS.com) have appeared in NYT, IHT, Seattle Times, Providence Journal, Columbia Journalism Review, Yahoo, Hawaii Advertiser; Moscow News, Tribune, Times, and Guardian, Novaya Gazeta; Kyiv Post, Kyiv Weekly, Politics in Ukraine, and Business Ukraine. He’s spent 9 years over the last 23 in Russia & Ukraine, has covered this story since (FULL COVERAGE) Nov 1st, wrote 2 long articles on the EU Association Agreement and Crimean Invasion for Yahoo, and warned of Ukraine’s loss of Independence in May 2010 after Yanukovich’s election.
so full of Western Propaganda thought I might need a barf bag.
The Battle For Lysychansk; Ukr on the Move
Wednesday, 30 July 2014, 4:50 pm
Article: Michael Hammerschlag
True this article is dated 7/30, so the surrender had not yet occurred, but this very long article is really full of lies about everything down to stating that separatists admitted guilt of MH17…..then linking to an article describing Strelkov’s warning to Putin of imminent defeat.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/07/25/putin-s-number-one-gunman-in-ukraine-warns-him-of-possible-defeat.html
Reaching for my barf bag again
Well….we should read the enemy’s lies if we really want to understand.
This just proves that this battle is not going to end anytime soon. They have pulled out all the stops and just like a cornered rat, will resort to even more vicious attacks, both in media and on ground. In war, the first casualty is the truth.
Yes, I am certain that the ballistic missiles are on their way.
Pray for the brave Novarussians…
Christine
Mr Saker and Mr Bazov: one suggestion:
Would it be possible to put the Cyrillic name of towns, villages and areas in brackets behind the latin names?
That way it is much easier for us to understand the maps.
Nora said.05 August, 2014 00:35,
Hi Nora, thank you for this video.
Where do you find it?
Although I have searched something about international brigades in aid of Donbass I have not found anything so far….
Thanks to Gleb for the translation. I’m glad things are going well for the Resistance. But I’m not happy for so many dead and those guys dying there of hunger and despair.
I do not mean the mercenaries and Pravyi Sektor thugs.
The Guardian:
“Heavy artillery fire continued there on Sunday night, according to the city administration. Ukraine’s national security council said on Monday that government troops had begun “liberating Donetsk from the north after encircling the city”.
The headquarters of Kiev’s “anti-terrorist operation” said rebels had intensified artillery fire at its positions overnight.
A map published by the national security council showed government forces had made significant gains, cutting the rebels in Donetsk off from those in Lugansk. Ukrainian troops had taken back three-quarters of the territory formerly controlled by the rebels, the council said.
Ukraine’s defence minister, Valery Geletei, said on Monday that Kiev would “be victorious very soon”. Andrei Lysenko, a national security council spokesman, said the rebels would be defeated before the onset of winter.”
This is a very, very poor job of preparing the West for NATO air strikes against the militia. The only two possible explanations are that the statements are true or that morale in Ukraine is nonexistent. But it is still a very poor job of preparing the West for NATO airstrikes.
http://blogs.publico.es/otrasmiradas/2552/gaza-ucrania-aviones-derechos-humanos-y-geopolitica/
Missiles used against Shakhtorsk:
Village of Shakhtyorsk, August 4, Scherbakov Street – ENG SUBS – YouTube
U.S. troops are training Moldovan army for proxy war with Russia – English subtitles:
Moldova is actively being prepared for war with Russia – YouTube
I agree that russiNs should let the ukranian soldiers free. its the right thing to do.
there is also the propaganda bonanza to go.with it. however this propaganda can go both ways.
Image the brave ukranian soldier who after having been repatriated back to the ukraine after having surrended volunteers to go back and fight. how brave.
propaganda can go both ways.
Spanish volunteers in Donetsk tell it like it is – in English:
Brigadas Internacionales en Donbass. – YouTube
elsi,
I thought you’d like it! ;~) Oddly enough, it’s a site of a geneticist/anthropologist who is also a Basque separatist, so two separate websites. Here’s the political one (it’s obviously not all Basque): http://forwhatwearetheywillbe.blogspot.com/
Just imagine, IMF imposed austerity have yet to kick in and General Winter will soon arrive.
Follow the economic situation on the table for the Kiev. What is the option? Go and die!
From a unconventional source, in Kiev this past weekend, Mr. Simon Black sharing his observations on current conditions. Mr. Black of SovereignMan has a family history with Ukraine:
438 Ukrainian troops seek asylum in Russia; government passes ‘war tax’ —- Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori
August 4, 2014 Kiev, Ukraine
There’s nothing more permanent than a temporary government measure, as the old saying goes.
I was reminded of it when I came back to Kiev over the weekend and that the Ukrainian government imposed a series of “temporary” taxes to help the war effort.
And boy does this government need money.
According to both Ukrainian and Russian news sources, several hundred solders were left without weapons or ammunition and crossed the border into Russia.
The Ukrainian news suggests that this was a forced withdrawal after being routed by rebel forces. The Russian news suggests that the troops were seeking asylum, no doubt tired of war.
So the Ukrainian government is in a hurry, trying to raise at least $1 billion (a lot of money here).
They’ve jacked up wage taxes, natural resource taxes, and even taxes on farming exports.
But even if they collect the money they’re aiming for, Ukraine and its government are in a serious pinch.
For the last few months, even before the turmoil began, Ukraine has been in an inflationary cycle. Both retail and asset prices were spiraling higher.
Now they’ve entered a stagflationary period. The currency has gone into freefall.
Unemployment is rising. The economy is contracting (6% by phony government estimates). And inflation is a whopping 19%… and rising.
These people are getting abused. And the worst is yet to come.
The banking system is borderline insolvent. The head of the local Citigroup branch here said that the non-performing loan ratio in Ukraine is as high as 40%.
And potentially up to 4% of all bank assets are now locked down in Crimea, which may or may not even be part of Ukraine any longer.
If the banking system collapses (and many here suspect it will), this place will become unglued. Asset prices will collapse, yet retail prices will surge even higher.
I can already see it on the street; so many businesses have closed. Hopeless unemployed youths are now roaming the city or joining the war effort.
And the entire populace has been mobilized to support the fight.
Of course, it’s pretty damn easy to cheer on the bloodshed when it’s not your blood. War can seem glorious when you only have to read about it in the newspapers.
There’s so much more I need to tell you about—the only way for me to capture this was in another podcast, probably the most emotional I’ve ever done.
Come listen for yourself:
http://www.sovereignman.com/podcast/podcast-014-dulce-et-decorum-est-pro-patria-mori-14818/
Follow the money.
Anon Mongoose
XbNB 08:36
OMG!!!! That is a keeper!
rrrrrrr
[How the Washington Post is playing it, Tuesday, August 5, 2014, p. A8: ] “Ukraine tightens ring around Donetsk”
“Kiev, Ukraine — The Ukrainian military on Monday appeared to be readying a long-awaited major assault on the rebel stronghold of Donetsk, warning civilians to leave as troops tightened their ring around the city amid heavy fighting.”
…
[Then buried in the 10th paragraph: ] “There were also indications that not everything was going Ukraine’s way on the battlefield.
“Russian officials said hundreds of Ukrainian soldiers had crossed into Russia overnight Sunday, though 180 were said to have returned Monday.
“The ITAR-TASS news agency said many were from the 72nd Mechanized Brigade, which is positioned at the border and has experienced intense artillery and mortar fire. It quoted the brigade commander as saying that the troops were exhausted after going two weeks without supplies.
“Ukrainian military officials confirmed that some soldiers had crossed into Russia. But they did not shed light on the possible motivations or say whether the troops are expected to return to Ukraine.”
…
[Today’s party line from Pravda-on-the-Potomac. As with its predecessor, one must read between the lines.]
Perth rag quotes a Lithuanian website which carries a ‘story’ from a man, “known only as Vasilijus”, that “a secret team of Ukrainian police in the early morning after the attack shows the missile being smuggled out of eastern Ukraine, close to the scene of the crash, the day after the plane was shot out of the sky”. He claims it’s his stolen Volvo truck being used. No need for ‘black box’ recorders, invisible missile trails, Russian satellite photos, or physical B777 evidence on the ground — porky’s secret police were in the area and shonky remote regional media has the scoop! So many holes I don’t know where to start — they must be getting desperate (2 links provided).
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/mh17-breakthrough-owner-of-volvo-truck-that-transported-missile-fears-his-life/story-fnhocwho-1227014376625
http://www.alfa.lt/straipsnis/472203/alfa-lt-isskirtinis-interviu-su-raketas-buk-kuriomis-buvo-numustas-malaizijos-avialiniju-lektuvas-gabenusio-vilkiko-savininku#.U-Ac4vmSx8F
A very good list of Novorossiya resources, courtesy of the Ukrainian SBU. Enjoy!
Source of leaked information:
http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/1711514.html
http://ua-pravda.com/
http://maidan.ru/
http://polemika.com/
http://kramtp.info/
http://ungu.org/
http://rusmir.in.ua/
http://vybor.ua/
http://rus.in.ua/
http://youtube.com/watch?v=AxGwm6pnNYU
http://youtube.com/watch?v=OJRXi8qF9N8
http://russiapost.su/
http://dozor-odessa.org/
http://ruska-pravda.com/
http://rodina.od.ua/
http://russ-edin.org/
http://novoross.info/
http://forum.for-ua.com/
http://antifashist.com/
http://donetskua.com/
http://borotba.org/
http://alternate-politics.info/
http://ruspravda.info/
http://pravdatoday.info/
http://lalak.org.ua/
http://goodgame.ru/
http://voicesevas.ru/
http://e-news.su/
http://novorus.info/
http://novorossia.center/
http://rusvesna.su/
http://infoodessa.com/
http://red-soviet.su/
http://cassad.net/
http://x-true.info/
http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/
http://warmarker.net/
http://centerkor-ua.livejoumal.com/
http://rusnkrfonum.com/
http://dnr-news.com/
http://icorpus.ru/
http://alternatio.org/
http://antimaidan.org/
http://odessa-antimaydan.com/
http://novorossia.org/
http://novorossia.su/
http://aanalitik.com.ua/
http://iskra-news.info/
Full list with working links on Facebook.
Someone is definitely not telling the truth:
Inside the rebel world as the noose tightens
Which is it?
Kiev has moved to huge bombs dropped on Shakhtersk. Crater 20 feet deep, 40 feet across.
This terror bombing of civilians will turn this war in a few days. The militia will have to surrender every piece of ground if this is not countered.
No Fly Zone or the complete destruction of the air force of the nazis is required.
Also, at the plane crash site, the Ukie artillery is hitting 300-400 meters from the guarded area. 2 militiamen wounded by one shell.
So, the criminality of Kiev has no bounds.
We recognize it, but the world has no comprehension of this outlaw regime.
Kiev must be destroyed. Kiev, not just the army they send into battle, but the seat of their junta, the administrative capacity of this genocidal menace paid for by the Hegemon and the EU.
Would they not use chemicals, biological or nuclear weapons? Would they not turn on Crimea? Would they not kill the 8 million Yulia wanted to kill? Would they stop at the border of Rostov? Would they not press with missiles and planes against Sevastopol?
They have no limits, except for the weapons sent to them by whoever hates Putin, Russia and the Russian people.
Bunker busters, daisy cutters, j-dams will be coming next. Fuel bombs, dirty bombs. Send it to Kiev and they drop it on the civilians.
The bestial bloodlust has no bounds.
They rival the Japanese and Third Reich in their insanity.
I suspect, shortly, the US will supply meth to the Ukies army. On Go Pills, these guys will run at the militia, mouths drooling, minds in hysterical rage, weapons blasting every living thing in Donbass.
It works. All that matters is the results—killing.
Anonymous said…05 August, 2014 10:52
“The Guardian…”
The Jewish zionists at the Guardian used to be quite sophisticated at marketing ZPC aggression. Now they are about as sophisticated as Fox and the “American” (Israeli) rightwing hate radio blowjobbers.
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@ fake Glaziev 05 AUGUST, 2014 07:15
“Sometimes focusing too much on the minutiae blinds you to the obvious.”
The “obvious” is the boatload of videos showing shredded Ukies where there are NO videos of dead Novorossians (except for civilians of course…)
Welcome to the meat grinder idiots!
And now we see that the Nazi party was not defeated in WWII, and that the Soviet Union did not lose the cold war. The choice for people living in the world today could not be more clear. Do you choose Obama, Netanyahu, Merkel, capitalism, neoliberalism, EU, NATO? Or Russia, the BRICS, the nations of Europe, the American people? Each man, woman and child must now choose: fight or die.
OT, but somewhat related:
2-star US general killed in Afghan green-on-blue attack – reports
http://rt.com/news/178168-general-killed-attack-afghanistan/
“A two-star American general has been killed and 14 others injured in an attack at the military training academy in Afghanistan, according to Germany’s Der Spiegel magazine.
A man dressed in an Afghan army uniform opened fire on NATO troops on Tuesday. A German brigadier general has been seriously injured and an American two-star general was killed in the shootout.
Earlier it was reported that 15 people, including “about a dozen” Americans were wounded in the attack.
“We are in the process of assessing the situation,” the ISAF Joint Command said in a statement. “More information will be released as we sort out the facts.”
The German brigadier-general is “not in a life-threatening condition,” German military said as cited by the AP…”
That should keep the fascist brass incontinent for a while.
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That giant bomb crater in Shakhtersk- wow, just wow. Each day Obama pressures the neo-Nazis of Kiev to move to the next level of bestiality. And this is the same USA that gave chemical weapons to Saddam, put American chemical weapons specialists at Saddam’s disposal, pointed out ‘good’ targets for chemical weapon strikes in US satellite photos, and badgered him until he agreed to use these weapons.
What price did the USA pay for this Crime Against Humanity. Oh, that’s right- according to many of you here, murder by war means you pat the criminal on the back, say “good on you, old chap”, and send him ‘home’.
The Jews of Israel, with the explicit support of the Jews of Britain and the Jews of America, provided the Apartheid regime of South Africa with nuclear warheads (after all, saying “all ‘blacks’ are sub-Human” is always going to win the absolute approval of Jews). Israel also sent its bio-warfare experts to South Africa to experiment on ‘black’ civilians in surrounding nations with so-called ‘ethnic’ biological weapons. The Jews would dose piles of new clothing with plague agents, and leave these clothes for the locals to discover.
Now in Novorussia, the irony is that Blair and the other ultimate demons, didn’t want things to go this way. While that sick B*stard Obama, and his zionist mates, love nothing more than the mass butchery of those they call ‘cattle’, Tony Blair had assumed even the neo-Nazis of Kiev were smart enough to use their numerical advantage, rather than unthinkable atrocities, to take Novorussia. Never trust the ‘brains’ of either a Nazi or zionist.
One must assume, as does the entire zionist mass media, that Putin is poised to send in peace-keepers, and ‘spoil’ the ‘Crimea play’. Kiev’s use of Holocaust weapons, which one assume will soon morph into chemical and then nuclear weapons (Ukraine lost the Soviet era nukes, but has since built many crude warheads using the ‘output’ of their nuclear power stations).
Thank the heaven’s- Putin’s hand is finally being forced. But no thanks to Putin himself, who was determined to wait for the attack against Crimea.
The Art of War by VV Putin—a work in progress.
His greatest challenge is to sustain the militia. His grasp on Ukraine depends on a military component to influence the final events in Kiev. His goal is to keep Ukraine (broken or whole) in the Russian sphere of influence.
He and Russia cannot, presently, affect any other aspect of Ukrainian authority except with the military component of the militia. Keeping the civil war going is imperative. It’s intent its to collapse the junta.
Since Putin has no intention of introducing the RF military without legal cover (and I don’t know how that can be construed), he must relieve the overwhelming artillery barrage and aerial bombing within a few more days.
Success in the southern boiler is coming at a cost to the cities and the possibility of turning defense into offense.
And, any offense requires suppression of air power.
Russia needs to devise a de facto No Fly Zone. This could be done with strikes against Ukie air fields, which is quite similar to invading. Or it can be done by giving the militia across border anti-air defense. Or it can mean just giving the militia the weapons systems to keep the air force away.
However Putin acts, we will see something significant shortly. Kiev is intent on destroy Luchansk to rubble and then turn on Donestsk. I suspect they want to grab Strelkov and Borodai and hang or shoot them.
I think the ground forces of the Ukies are likely to break and collapse if the militia suddenly could control the skies and move heavy artillery of their own forward to neutralize Ukie artillery.
Putin’s best bet would be to arm the militia in the southern boiler with “new equipment” supposedly captured from the surrendering forces. That is great cover for changing the equation on the ground and in the air. BUK’s and a few other missiles systems would clear the skies.
I am hoping—my guess is this will happen.