From the reports coming out of the eastern Ukraine it appears that a real, coordinated, attack has been launched on Slaviansk. The attackers use the following tactic: a group of men in plainclothes (Right Sector? Foreign mercenaries? SBU?) attack a checkpoint pinning down the defenders. The checkpoint is then surrounded on both sides by armored personnel carriers and heavily armed infantry. Mi-24 helicopters approach from the air and a heavy joint attack of all forces is launched. Assault-rifles, 23/30mm guns, unguided/guided rockets, anti-tank weapons, mortars, snipers and grenade-launchers are engaged. At this point the defenders have no other option but to try to withdraw under fire and the checkpoint is taken.
This time around the junta means business.
That is not to say that the defenders do not resist. At least one Mi-24 has been reported shot down by machine-gun fire over a river and the junta has confirmed 4 fatalities on its side (compared to 10 fatalities amongst the defenders).
I personally very much doubt that the defenders of Slaviansk had the time, manpower, expertise or equipment to adequately prepare the center of the town for a determined assault. The Chechens in Grozny had plenty of experienced combat engineer/sapper specialists, many months of preparation time and access to basically all the military equipment of a full Soviet army (left for them courtesy of the Eltsin-Grachev team) and that allowed them to turn downtown Grozny into a fortress. In contrast, there are very few well-trained specialists in Slaviansk, they have had almost no time to prepare, and most of their fortifications appear to be hastily improvised.
So far the number of civilians casualties appears to be limited, mainly because the checkpoints were established at the entrance of the city. But if the combats move in, the defenders will have to use the advantage offered by taller buildings for their defense at which point the attackers will have no other choice than to open fire upon large, residential buildings, possibly filled with civilians unable/unwilling to evacuate. Basements are also going to become a place to seek shelter for both armed defenders and civilians. In other words, the amount of civilians killed will very sharply rise of the attackers attempt to take control of downtown Slaviansk.
An increasing number of commentators are pointing to the upcoming May 9th as a crucial symbolic date at which something big could happen. I don’t particularly like the notion of mixing symbols and the planning of military operations, but I have to say that in this case the commentators might be correct, if only because the offensive in the eastern Ukraine will reach some kind of breaking point in the next week or so.
Keep in mind that for all the courage of its defenders, Slaviansk is a rather small town, especially compared to cities like Donetsk or Lugansk which are a much tougher nut to crack not only because of their seize, but also because of the likely number of trained and well-equipped combatants. I cannot imagine that the Ukie commanders seriously think that they could repeat in Donetsk and/or Lugansk the same thing which took them so much time and efforts in Slaviansk. I can therefore only conclude that their real goal is to bait Russia into an intervention (for a discussion of the logic for such a move see here).
In the meantime, the propaganda war is heating up. In a rather clumsy attempt to explain the large amount of pro-Russian comments on various websites Business Insider has accused Putin of creating a Russian version of the notorious Israeli hasbara teams alleging that Putin is paying people to post pro-Russian propaganda in comments (can somebody please point out to the folks in the Kremlin the small “donation” button on the left of this page? So far, not a single Ruble or Hrivna has ever been donated to this blog. Not one). As for the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, it has published a White Paper on Human Rights violations in the Ukraine which you can download from here (in Russian) and from here (in English). However, since the Ministry of Foreign Affairs servers are notoriously slow, I have also made this document available for download here (in Russian) and here (in English).
Lastly, the situation in Odessa is simply surrealistic. Following yesterday’s massacre not a single neo-Nazis has been arrested, not one, but many tens of pro-federation demonstrators have. Some of them have been freed when the prosecutors office was surrounded by an angry mob demanding their release. Now the big “scandal” is not, as you naively might have imagined, that it took a mob to release the victims of the neo-Nazi massacre, no, the “scandal” is that these victims were released at all. See, the authorities have charged them with “mass disturbances resulting in fatalities” and “murder” and they are now forming special “arrest teams” to hunt down and re-arrest all those whom the crowd had freed. Predictably, the official narrative about the events wobbles between the “Russian agents” and “terrorist separatists” explanation. More interesting is the fact that Avakov (the junta warlord in charge of internal security) has fired all the commanders of the Odessa police which, no doubt, will further endear the junta with what is left of the Ukrainian police forces). Needless to say, the neo-Nazi Right Sector organization has not been punished, nevermind banned, and tonight their are holding yet another Nazi-style torchlight parade.
Stay tuned, kind regards,
The Saker
The defenders of Slaviansk need to mean business as well. They have a lot of advantages on their side. For example:
The Ukie infantry love to ride on top of APC’s driving single file down the road. Well a few well placed RPG rounds will cause a lot of casualties.
That is the key. Make it expensive for the Wannabe Waffen SS to advance.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1577711/Former-KGB-chief-takes-job-with-Nato.html
Not news really but grist for the mill considering the “inter-changability” of paymasters. Markus Wolfe and Primakov got to work creating Homeland Security. Merkel is ex-Stasi. Sometimes the conspiracy is only a theory and sometimes one wonders just who is zooming who.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Ft2s7iujr9k
Presidential candidate Oleg Tsaryov claims that over a hundred people were killed in Odessa. Further, he claims that there is clear evidence of the Red Sector and related thugs entering the building, and even raping some of the women win the building. He further states that there is evidence of flammable liquids being poured over the heads of some of the victims, to mask their identity, because the burn marks on the bodies are very selective.
haha, yeah I must be one of those “Russian Electronic Army” posting everywhere. I wish the Russian embassy in Dublin would send me the cheque already, it’s been nearly 2 months since my powerful youtube posts led directly to the Ukies losing Crimea.
…Western MSM of course can’t understand why we’re not all taking part in their Putin-bashing, Russophobic orgy. Strange.
My worst fear now is that if the Ukrainian forces & mercenary thugs can get their act together, then we will see them push on to bigger population centres & some horrendous massacres could occur.
Anonymous @18:11
Interesting video. Those police officers look p*ssed off. Can anyone provide a translation of what is being said?
The German news magazine SPIEGELonline has come up with an astonishing title just now: ‘Kreml plans new provocations’ – because allegedly Putin plans to visit Sevastopol on May 9th, after parade in Moscow:
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/putin-geruechte-um-krim-besuch-von-russlands-praesidenten-a-967676.html
Of course, it is totally unacceptable that President Putin can even think of going somewhere in Russia when the West deems this to be a ‘provocation’, isn’t it! /sarc
My gut feeling still is that the Kiev regime has a ‘breathing space’ to do their horrors in until that day, after which Putin will present the reckoning.
This is the reason why they are so desperate to get rid of the ‘pro-russian separatists’ as fast as possible, with the help of their American ‘friends’ from the CIA.
They know their time is running out, because Tourchinev has reportedly said that the situation is so difficult in the East because the people are supporting the ‘separatists’. Perhaps sending in tanks and lots of military wasn’t such a good idea to convince them of the ‘good intentions’ of his regime …
WOW, the Google motherfuckers refuse to translate “suspicious pages” like http://vz.ru/ on the pretense that ” the page you requested will try to harm your computer or steal your personal information”!!!
Aren’t we kinda already into WWWIII?
Dear The Saker,
I also read somewhere today – sorry don’t have link – that at least 13 Greystone were killed in the earlier helicopter crashes and the one guy they saved has admitted to being Greystone. Apparently the CIA wont collect the bodies…..
There are also rumours that the Saudi’s have sent some of their Syrian fighters to Kiev – now I can clearly see them committing the atrocities in Odessa mentioned by Oleg Tsaryov….. :(
I personally believe they really are trying to provoke Russia.
Rgds,
Veritas
http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_05_05/Kiev-concealed-deaths-in-Odessa-fire-116-killed-Ukrainian-lawmaker-6461/
116 people were killed in Odessa, not 46.
Hate to say it, Saker, but it’s not that they didn’t have time to prepare. It’s more like they didn’t quite bother. They’re still playing at war.
The Chechens were successful because they realized that city streets are ideal kill zones, especially for any kind of armor. Drop a tree across the street, dump 20 molotov cocktails on any stopped APC and run away. Repeat as nevessary. If the population of Slavyansk is as determined as they claim, that could be done. Is it, though?
BTW, Slavyansk had acess to the web until recently. It might sound ridiculous, but it is true: if you wanna know how to build a proper roadblock, Google it. Or Yandex it. There’s a mind-boggling amount of military manuals, operational briefings and battlefield analyses all over the Web. But – nope, we’ll build barricades out of old tires. God forbid to break down an old house and pile the rubble in the street.
You know, gven that it was only yesterday that the insurgents established any meaningful degree of control over Lugansk and that it apparently took the Odessa massacre to light a fire under their arse, I’m not sure of the unbreakable will of the Donbass people to fight the junta at all. No, not at all. Neither is Moscow, apparently. There’s just too many little oddities about this insurgency. Which is not to say that real people aren’t being killed as I write this. Hopefully not in vain.
BOPOH.
I still don’t understand why Putin can’t send in unmarked aircraft to vaporize the advancing Nazi columns and simply deny involvement like the empire does when it attacks Pakistan (US) or Syria (Israel)? I understand that this would be “coming down to the level” of the Empire in a tactical sense, but can’t “dirty” tactics be used in the service of a noble goal? Am I just cynical or what?
Allowing an anti-Russian Nazi Fascist state right next door would be a disaster for Russia.
The price will be much lower to stop this now than later.
Yes Saker, re. poster at 18:13, I have also read on social media that upwards of 100 persons were actually killed at the Union Bldg in Odessa. Specifically in the basement, including women and children. Anything out there to confirm or dispel?
TY for all your work!
@Stegiel: correct. I have said this from the beginning – a few RPGS and MANPADS and those [expletive deleted] will be singing a whole new tune…
In the meantime, dig ditches, build obstacles, anything to get the Nazis out from the cover of their armor.
@ВОРОН:Hate to say it, Saker, but it’s not that they didn’t have time to prepare. It’s more like they didn’t quite bother. They’re still playing at war.
I absolutely hate to say it, but you are right. Unlike the Chechens who had “resistance” and “struggle” fed to them with the mother’s milk (as the Russian saying goes), the eastern Ukrainians are slowly coming out of many decades of semi-comatose passivity and while there are, no doubt, some very determined resistants there, the majority of the population is still abjectly passive. Today I saw a guy on Russian TV saying that the local branch of an oligarch-owned bank stopped working and that now he was pissed and would become a “separatist”. Ergo – had the bank continued working, this guy would have stayed at home eating borshch and watching TV…
I do not mean to offend anybody, but we all ought to look the truth in the eye: the Donbass is not Crimea or, even less so, South Ossetia. Remember how in Tskhinval the locals ALONE held down the Georgian armored attack supported by *heavy* artillery fire (in the Donbass not a single artillery piece has fired yet, at least to my knowledge)? The small group of Russian peacekeepers were hunkering down in their barrack barely surviving and the Russian military was far away on the other side of the mountains. Yet the South Ossetians managed to bog down and stop the Georgian assault. That was an amazing feat which the latter Russian intervention overshadowed and which the western press never presented (since, after all, it was, according to them, a “Russian invasion” and not a heroic defense by South Ossetians of their own land).
My feeling is that Russia will have to intervene sooner or later, but I sure hope that the locals in the Donbass show up in FAR bigger numbers to fight for themselves. This typically Ukrainian “wait and see” attitude is absolutely infuriating to many Russians who simply don’t get it – what the hell are they waiting for. Still, the overtly Nazi charterer of the massacre in Odessa and the likely rise in number of civilian casualties in the Donbass might finally wake up the local folks, I sure hope so.
Cheers,
The Saker
Its an unfair fight.The resistance fighters need Russian back up otherwise this will turn into a slaughter that will make Odessa look tame
Saker,
I really hope that Russia does NOT intervene. The locals need to saddle up and fight or submit to Nazi rule. Those are their choices.
Meezer
The direct reason for the passivity of the population in Donbass is simple enough. They don’t know what the insurgents really stand for? Are they really separatists? Are they Russian unionists under false flag? Are they federalists? If they are neutralists, why do they expect a coup against a neutral government to give up? Are they Yanukovych’s titushky looking for a better deal? Worst of all, are they just another set of oligarchs? Most of all, why should they risk their lives to fight Kyiv when they don’t really know why?
A blank banner looks suspiciously like a white flag!
Putin’s seizure of Crimea was not a bold stroke, but a timid one, which conceded the rest of Ukraine to the Kyiv regime. There is no indication Putin is even interested in fighting neofascism in Ukraine. There is every reason to think he will not intervene, no matter how many atrocities are perpetrated. I think by far the most probably explanation for events such as Odessa is the obvious one, the desire to terrorize all opposition.
Steven Johnson
FYI Steve : Putin did not ‘seize’ krimea .
These arnt insurgents. Theyre civilians. Maybe with guns, but still civilians.
They dont have training, they dont have equipment, they dont even have good morale most likely.
We can make all the comparisons to chechens or Hezbollah or whatever we want, but these people are not them. These people are closer to the folks in the local bar* than any kind of guerilla fighters.
*Unless you live in a very scary area im going to assume the inhabitants of the local bar are not paramilitaries.
Why are the rebels trying to defend anything?
Why not just disperse, and start hitting the army in the back? It is the locals that know the area, and the larger the area the army needs to control, the thinner they will be spread out.
Unless that is, you are not fighting to win the battle, but are rather trying to force the Ukrainian government to start killing civilians?
We have friends from central Ukraine, they are soooo brainwashed. They blame everything they can on Putin and those orcs – pro Russians and Russians themselves. Things like massacre in Odessa are just being ignored by them, for now, maybe they’ll “integrate” them later. A huge amount of hatred is also present. And negotiations are not an options – nothing less than elimination of the separatists. Of course they see us as brainwashed, and every source presented by us is not trustworthy.
People in eastern Ukraine (we have relatives there) are not very sophisticated. Internet and modern urban warfare is not really their thing. Those mostly are working class middle-aged men. They do not quite match the young hatred of nationalists and their ability to use media. And Russians share the same infancy of course, although some traits are more evident in Ukrainian people. This whole setup is incredibly messy. Half of ukraine is brainwashed into 4th reight, the other has no clues with the exception of feeling that something goes terribly wrong.
I can’t get ‘Voice of Russia’ – I get ‘time out’ or ‘bad gateway’. Is google trying to pevent us from accessing Russian media?
Not sure if this is true:
1500 U.S. Combat Troops Deployed from Ft. Hood, TX to Germany then onto Ukraine within the last 48 Hours
http://www.turnerradionetwork.com/news/468-pat
People! Let’s take a step forward! We have the power to act. Don’t wait for Russia. Don’t wait for East Ukraine. Each individual has the power to create revolutionary change. We have the knowledge of history, the current situation and all the technical means required. We have to take a chance. In the end, it’s better to live a short while in the sunshine and under the blue sky, then a long time in a darkness that has no color. We can do it, you can do it. Right on.
“There comes a point in the destiny of a failing nation when official lying is no longer distinct from official stupidity. We’ve crossed that boundary in the USA. It pays to remember that societies get what they deserve, not what they expect.”
James Howard Kunstler
Lying Or Just Stupid?
May 5 2014
N-V
@Anonymous:Not sure if this is true:
Turner Radio Network is worse than DEBka. Ignore them completely.
Sorry, cheers,
The Saker
Have some perspective.
Its taken Ukraine’s incompetetent junta over three weeks to just begin to lay seige to and thrust into one small city in Donbass, where, admittedly, there are millions of firearms available in a big cave as a prize.
What are the chances they will be able to take Donetsk and Lughansk Oblasts entirely once the people see that Kiev means to flatten their cities into oblivion and burn alive anyone who attempts to hide? Only 7 days until the big referendum vote …
I think the part of the Ukrainian army apparently willing to fight its own people is being lured into a trap. So far a small message has been sent about flying helicopter gunships near Slavyansk – “Hello, we have shoulder fired missiles!” – and apparently there is a dearth of helicopters supporting the advance. When the first couple of APC’s are lit up by an RPG, we won’t see much of them either.
If they actually fight their way into a city and cause mass civilian casualties, they will likely be captured and lynched ala Fallujah and Mogadishu once they get lost in the maze of unfamiliar streets and burning barricades.
None of these Ukrainian Army guys seems willing to actually have a war yet. This is all a lot of cat and mouse feeling around probing for weaknesses.
Voice of Russia – their twitter is still up.
I am wondering if voice of Russia is down because of the White Book.
Slow Moe:
These arnt insurgents. Theyre civilians. Maybe with guns, but still civilians. They dont have training, they dont have equipment, they dont even have good morale most likely.
Did you read the NY Times profile of the Slavyansk Self Defense Commander and his crew?
He is a 50 yr. old veteran officer of a special operations branch of the Red Army, with time in Afghanistan fighting a real war. His men are other army veterans of the Soviet, Ukrainian, and Russian Armies, not just guys off the local bar counter.
The NY TImes profile reads of a professional ability among these men to organize and direct forces of armed men to undertake defensive and offensive operations as well as to husband resources and direct operational thrusts and parries.
If my city were under attack by a professional military, I’d be thrilled to find such people to follow.
“My feeling is that Russia will have to intervene sooner or later”
I suspect the game is if the future orientation of Europe will go towards Russia or towards the USA. If Putin have the control over Russian media many suspect that he have, he might be able to survive a larger loss of lives, than what the current US-supported elite in western Europe might be able to survive. It is not that western Europe lacks people that want to kick out the present elites. UKIP, Le Pen, Schröder, etc, etc.
A Nato-US supported bloodbath in Ukraina, where Russia explain that they can not intervene, because the current western elite will use it to destroy Russia, would make it very hard for the US-EU elites to survive the next elections.
The total silence on Ukraine of the Norwegian government and Norwegian media, is also telling, as they at least know that it is better to keep your mouth shut, than sacrifice what little trust they still have in the population, by parroting the US-EU lies, before we know who is really winning both the war and the peace.
I found a strange video, showing many Ukrainian policement dropping their shields. The video says they are in Odessa.
I don’t get the meaning of the video. Can someone help?
This is the video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k18w4dI8cxY
“But – nope, we’ll build barricades out of old tires.”
An APC can not drive though burning rubber, without it’s own tires catching fire.
Statecraft or Witchcraft?
http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/05/statecraft-or-witchcraft.html
May 4, 2014
ClubOrlov
N-V
Right Sector has a lot of power over the regime. Their scared that they will lose their influence after the May 25 election. They won’t let that happen without a fight. Between now and the election, what are they going to do? Are they trying to seize power in Odessa?
Torchlight parades are displays of power. Nazi’s love to intimidate people. They enjoy putting on a show. The western media will start coming to the parades, video tape them and send them home.
It’s going to get very embarrassing for the western governments. Putin will probably offer Obama a face saving way out of this, as he did in Syria.
The reason Slaviansk is so important
http://www.inopressa.ru/article/05May2014/ft/slav.html
TW of a spanish guy named Carlos who works at Air Traffic Control in Kiev and has a radar under his eye.
Unfortunatelly at this moment he is going to Spain to leave his family safe and then go back tomorrow or later to Kiev.
If true, and I believe that, a good source of information.
Take a look:
https://twitter.com/spainbuca
According to this analysis in New Eastern Outlook, our defense cuts will come from an even greater reliance on drones and mercenaries. However, while regular forces will be cut, along with various kinds of support for them like housing and commissary privileges (forget about medical care; the VA has already been starved into oblivion), Special Forces will increase and the pivot to Asia will be accomplished via air, sea and digital operations. (Maybe we’ve finally learned to avoid a land war in Asia?) (Do we ever really learn anything?)
The funny thing is, the piece reads like a briefing or PR blurb — I didn’t expect that from these guys.
Michelle 20:49
It seems the police are throwing down their shields and walking away, rather than defending the police station where the survivors of the massacre at the trade union building were being held.
There is a more informative link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ft2s7iujr9k
‘Accident news’ youtube channel seems to have all sorts of interesting videos, including one of the funeral of the nurse killed at Kramatorsk.
I have read over the strategy of the Ukrainian national Army (new Right Sector)during WWII, they have dressed as Soviet solders and mass-killed a lot of civilians. I suggest they can try this trick in Odessa. Also they love burn people alive.
Just what SE Ukraine needs, a zionazi mercenary organ snatcher brigade to the rescue.
Израильские миротворцы ждут приглашения от Донецкой Республики http://lifenews.ru/news/132682
(auto trans) “Israeli peacekeepers are waiting for invitations from Donetsk Republic
Specialists immigrants ready to go to Odessa and Slavyansk, to reconcile conflicting parties.
As reported by “Izvestia”, the Israeli Public movement against terror and violence battalion “alia” intensifying efforts to arrive to Ukraine as the peace corps.
“Alia” formed in 2002 from left to Israel professional soldiers of the Soviet army and the armies of the CIS countries. Some of them served and then in the Israeli army. As part of a battalion of paratroopers, special forces, combat engineers, dog trainers, doctors and other specialists. Currently, the battalion has worked to protect Israeli settlements in the Palestinian territories.
– I must mention that this is a private initiative, – said the battalion commander Roman Ratner in conversation with Izvestia. “We have no relation to the state of Israel, and it does not support. This is a personal matter of each fighter – how to relate to the Nazis. The members of our battalion care about what is happening in Ukraine, especially after the tragedy in Dnipropetrovsk.
According to Ratner, even after what happened in Odessa will be very difficult “to talk with the perpetrators of this horror,” but someone must stand between the conflicting parties to “compel them to the world.”
The fighters of the “aliyah” ready to go to Ukraine on demand.
– There are a couple of dozen people, ready to go right now, and within a month or two we can mobilize around 200 military with a unique experience – told one of the initiators of the idea to use the “alia” in Ukraine, the Israeli political scientist and publicist Avigdor Eskin. – We have got a lot of friends, we are not only in the South-East, but also in Lviv, and Ivano-Frankivsk.
Currently, the commanders of the “aliyah” build a scheme of its arrival to Ukraine. Money, according to Eskin, no problem, members of the battalion able to pay the fare.
“But we need an invitation from the Ukrainian side, the statement on the need to attract peacekeepers, said Ratner. For example, on behalf of the Donetsk Republic.”
Excuse me while I vomit.
http://ersieesist.livejournal.com/813.html Russian + English
From the above forensic examination of the photographic evidence of the Odessa massacre it looks like none of the victims died from the actual fire. They were executed in various other ways. The fire was the cover story. As was the false flag provocation by thugs masquerading as federalists.
Moreover with every kill these assassination squads are perfecting their skills, both technically and emotionally. Next they will undertake larger operations and, boosted by their successes, they will go from strength to strength.
The fact that Tymoshenko’s publicly stated desire to exterminate 8 million Ukrainians has passed without reprimand signals carte blanch impunity for the assassins and their supporters to roll out the full scale Balkan-style genocide.
Right Sector has a lot of power over the regime. Their scared that they will lose their influence after the May 25 election.
Why do you think the 5/25 election will change anything? This election is to select a new figurehead as a president. The real power has been seized by the parliament and its prime minister Yats, and they are not offering up a new election there any time soon.
Anonymous, 20:56,
OMIGOSH, are they just trying to keep Pravy Sektor out of Kiev???
At some point our mercenaries will come home and we’ll pay the piper too. Otoh, we deserve it; the citizens of Odessa, Slaviansk, etc. — for all their torpor, hesitancy and/or disinterest — most assuredly do not.
@Another Norwegian
I agree. Maybe may25 (EU-elections) is more important than may9 and may11. This could explain why european politicians are so quite now (when was the last time Merkel spoke?) they don’t want to appear even more ridiculous than already, there is also forming a serious opposition to further sanctions, everyone knows that the sanctions are ridiculous and they don’t want to overdo them.
May25 could also explain the unprecendented amount of propaganda and censorship in european MSM, if the press were to tell the truth then the current rulers would be seriously damaged, and on the other hand, if we didn’t have elections this month, then they could report more truthfully because in a couple of month people would forget anyway (in summer we already have world football championship, after that it’s tabula rasa anyway, it’s like everything is erased from people’s minds).
But imagine if Russia were to intervene before may25. Then the current EU rulers’ position would be strenghtened significantly.
So it’s a simple calculation. Sacrifice Russians in Ukraine, let the Ukrainian fascists expose themselves, let Europeans see all the crimes, and then hopefully EU will be forced by its voters to change course.
To continue to abuse the metaphor of chess, the IMF-Kiev junta is throwing away its legitimacy in order to bait Russia into defending the South East. This heavy handed policy has the paradoxical effect of pushing the average person in the east further and further from reconciliation with Kiev.
There are several dates ahead, beyond May 9th, to include 11 May Donbas referendum and 25 May Kiev sponsored presidential election.
It is possible for either side to prevail militarily, but it is doubtful that either side will have a strong case for the legitimacy of their elections.
One thing Putin has not been doing enough of is using his bully pulpit to argue the case for the next world order. He should be taking that campaign to the world beyond NATO, and I don’t see that.
Steven Johnson:
You’ve certainly nailed one thing: no one is really sure where these insurgents originally popped out from. I personally tend to believe that in the beginning they were tied to local functionaries of the Regions’s party and little local bosses who didn’t like Kiev’s interference. Possibly they were also seeking to drag Moscow into the mess to secure their positions before Kiev oligarchs took them away. The sheer amount of staged photos with Russian flags in the first day or two seems more than pure coincidence.
But that was in the beginning. What you have now is larger. Suddenly the population took up the idea and fleshed it up. Unarmed civilians stopping tanks with bare hands usually do not do it for money.
One could take a look at what the Right Sector types have said and written about the russian-speakers in the east to get an idea about he source of their motivation. They essentially declared a war of extermination against them. Point in case: the glee of the Ukie nationalists at the Odessa incident was off the charts. “Odessa fried chicken” is one of the new memes.
And, in one form or another, this is echoed by the new “leaders” in Kiev.
So it’s not about who to fight for. It’s who to fight against. The Donbass knows it and that’s why it’s resisting.
And this is where my mind comes to a screeching halt, as I’m beginning to encounter glaring contradictions.
For instance, I cannot understand how one can be willing to stand in front of a moving tank but not be willing to build barricades capable of stopping one instead. I cannot understand how one can claim that the Right Sector is coming to rape all horses and steal all women but make no preparations to hinder it except to wait for a crowd of the said women to gather and expect it to stop the rolling APCs.
To claim to know your existence is overtly threatened and yet to act as if you have little responsibility for your fate is essentially childish. That, btw, also goes for expecting an older sibling to come and beat up the bad guys.
That spirit permeates Eastern Ukraine through and through. It permeates the civilians as well as the insurgents. It’s ironic, but even though the local bosses lost control of the events, they may still get their wish. The passivity of the locals may force the Russians to move in.
Except that the Russians don’t want to fight on behalf of overgrown children.
You know, this is exactly what happened to Russian speakers in Chechnya in 1991-94. The Chechens would come to a village, raid houses and even murder people, and yet no one resisted and only a relative few left. Everyone was expecting that the Russian army will roll in any moment and deliver them. Well, when the army did roll in, the Chechens fired at it from the said villages. Which the army promptly leveled, as armies do in wartime. Same happened in Grozny.
There’s a moral in this, you know.
Oh Dear God.
“Head of Ukraine’s Security Service (SBU) Valentin Nalivaychenko has given the SBU department in Odessa several days to curb pro-Russian protests in the city, the RIA Novosti news agency reports quoting a source in Ukrainian law enforcement bodies.
“The head of the SBU department for the Odessa region has received Nalivaichenko’s order to create conditions within days for a special operation to suppress pro-Russian elements in Odessa,” the source said.
The SBU is planning to plant its “moles” among the protesters to provoke riots, including on May 9, and to forge evidence of alleged Russian arms supplies through Orthodox churches in the Odessa region, the source said.
Once the riots are provoked, the source said, Right Sector militants, posing as outraged city residents, and specially trained riot police will be brought in to quell them.”
http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_05_05/Ukraine-s-SBU-plots-provocations-in-Odessa-on-May-9-8516/
The zionazis at zoogle have marked vz.ru as an “attack site” now. Also zoogle translator refuses to do a page translate on that site. It seems the zionazis are trying out a new way to prevent people from reading Russian media and seeing material that contradicts the horseshit the Jewish owned/run western media insults people with.
So far vz.ru is the only site I’ve seen this at, but I’ve only checked a few sites. Anybody else see this sort of blocking tactic at other sites? Or some other form of access denial you don’t usually see at sites. Such as various “error” pages showing up now all of a sudden?
@ вот так
Yes, I’ve had a few refusals to translate Russian pages besides vz.ru. You can still do it by copying and pasting the text, of course. But maybe not for long. Maybe their next step will be to eliminate the Russian language altogether from their translation tool.
THE OSCE SPECIAL MONITORS IN EASTERN UKRAINE AREN’T NATO SPIES — BUT HOW NEUTRAL ARE THE OSCE EXPERTS?
Article notes with military background:
http://johnhelmer.net/?p=10713
@Anonymous,
Q: Hate to say it, Saker, but it’s not that they didn’t have time to prepare.
R: Would it be fair to say/conclude that we would see a much better coordinated defense if the Russians would indeed be up to their necks in effectively running the Eastern Ukraine’s uprising?
@ BOT TAK
Instead of zoogle try this excellent service:
http://translate.yandex.ru/
Regarding Slavyansk victims. This guy is there https://twitter.com/pmarsupia
And this is what he says:
About the victims today in Slavyansk. I know lots of media have been reporting “tens” of them.
We went to the hospital and to the morgue. They only knew of one: Irina Boevets, age 30, hit by a bullet while on her balcony.
I trust the hospital doctors and the morgue more than what the spokesmen of either side are saying on this.
In Australia I just copied/pasted “vz.ru” into my Firefox and the site came up instantly. But I would not put any vileness above the Goy-haters.
Interesting bit:
http://consortiumnews.com/2014/05/04/needed-obama-putin-summit-on-ukraine/
Cheers,
BOPOH
@ Steven Johnson,
I won’t even pretend I can read other people’s mind, because if I could, I’d be a billionaire with a couple of breathtaking beauties on my side on a yacht on the other side of the planet.
Did you see it coming that Russia/Putin would absorb Crimea within a couple of weeks?
I most surely did not.
Russia has 2 Mediterranean bases. One in Syria and one in the Ukraine. Is it really coincidence that the Western powers are supporting ‘freedom fighters’ in both countries?
But then Google offered a malware warning, but that I could, at my own risk mind, go to http://www.vz.ru/news, which did work.
@ Nora,
A friend of mine [Georgia] sent a picture of her local sheriff’s new wheels. Nice and shiny, but what struck me was the APC parked in the background. With DHS’ acquisition of 1,6 billion bullets, I’m convinced something’s brewing and it ain’t good. You and yours take care, you hear?
@Anonymous 20:14, 20:26 and 20:33
A few weeks ago I had the same problem trying to access Voice of Russia and found out that it was Error 504 Gateway not found (or something along those lines). It has to do with the server “on the other side”; if you google it you can find a full explanation.
@ Bot Tak 22:14
Just checked vz.ru, no problem, tried Google translation to English and Spanish but it’s rather incomprehensible; got a better translation with Bing.
A interesting overview of the hidden motives behind the Ukrainian conflict:
http://www.leap2020.eu/GEAB-N-84-is-available-Europe-dragged-into-a-division-of-the-world-between-debtors-and-creditors-the-United-States_a16039.html
Not sure this isn’t merely buying kicking the can down road a tiny bit further.
http://www.leap2020.eu/GEAB-N-84-is-available-Europe-dragged-into-a-division-of-the-world-between-debtors-and-creditors-the-United-States_a16039.html
@ВОРОН: “There’s just too many little oddities about this insurgency.”
Yes like this woman fighter awaiting fascists in Slovyansk:
http://www.moonofalabama.org/2014/05/ukraine-continuing-thread-.html#comments
While I admire her determination, I have to question her fashion choice for going to battle :)
@BOT TAK 22:14
Do you have an IP address in your DNS cache? Care to post it?
Saker,
Atleast it is clear that Russian govt.as opposed to Russian masses have no inkling even of who there real enemies(Anglosaxon nations(are and has been foolishly trying to please those enemies to the detriment of her allies.this is what happens when you back down to please such enemies as the evil anglos.
Re: hardcore, вот так:
Google translate isn’t refusing to translate http://vz.ru/. It gives a warning about it being a suspicious page, but once you tell it to proceed anyway it translates it just fine. I am looking at it right now.
I am not defending Google’s blacklisting-of-sorts of that page, just letting you know that you shouldn’t just give up at the first obstacle. A few more clicks and you’ll see what you want to see.
Greetings from Singapore:
Since the UIkraine army seems to be dissenting with this present de-facto government, ideally I would like to see a coup, to remove this government and somehow ensure referenda are implemented soonest, which would trigger the federalization.
This would free Russia from having to act.
Of course, wonder if the Ukraine army is ready/willing & able to ‘terminate’ the armed nazi elements which understand the present minister of interior is commanding.
I came across this video which I thought should be shared.
We never see any sights like that on the Aussie, American or English news channels. I wonder why! Is it because the powers that be don’t want us sheeple to see the mess they’ve made by installing the junta in Kiev? :/
http://www.pandoratv.it/?p=517%5BExclusive
@BOT TAK 22:14
More…
I tried ‘http://vz.ru’ and got what I expected (can’t read Russian, so not 100% sure). I’m using Google DNS for my home, and I’m in So. California (Los Angeles area). Not blocked here…yet.
Can you post the exact link you’re trying?
CNN reporting 1,000s of US troops to hold military drills in Ukraine in July 2014.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=so8tkpYmVHo
@ 05 May, 2014 22:07
I think so far the people of the Donbass have done alright, considering it’s the first time they are put in this kind of situation and have no experience at all in fighting, nor do they have a particular appeal for violence. They are learning. And they must realize nothing good awaits them if they surrender.
We should remember that the right sector people have an abnormally high level of agressivity. Their demeanor reminds one of a caged beast. How they managed to build up so much anger inside of them I would like to know. My impression is that they must have had lots of foreign teachers lately.
So we can maybe forgive the Donbass population for being a bit slow to react. But they have reacted. They’ve understood that people like those shown in this video belong to almost a different species.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDOWt9V2bjs#t=21
Saker, not any more>
http://www.turnerradionetwork.com/news/466-this-web-site-will-go-offline-on-may-16
I don’t see the reticence of the south eastern Ukrainians as a weakness. I see it as a desire to avoid war.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bf0OFAfL5Q0&feature=youtu.be
Seems to be no shortage of ammo, weaponry (including a should fired rocket), or courage among the guys in Slavyansk.
Its obvious why the Ukrainian Army and Right Sektor haven’t been able to take the town in three weeks.