Wow! Now things look very serious indeed. RT reports that Russia is starting military maneuvers involving not one, but TWO military districts plus the Air Force:
Russia has begun extensive military exercises in Ukrainian border area following the escalation of violence in eastern Ukraine.
“The order to use force against civilians has already been given, and if this military machine is not stopped, the amount of casualties will only grow,” Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu said during an official meeting in Moscow.
“War games by NATO in Poland and the Baltic states are not helping the normalization of the situation. We are forced to react to the situation.”
Shoigu said that the drills involve march and deployment exercises by forces in the southern and western military districts, and separate Air Force maneuvers.
Shoigu said that 11,000 Ukrainian soldiers, 160 tanks, 230 armored carriers and at least 150 artillery pieces are involved in the operation against anti-Kiev activists.
“National guard units and Right Sector extremists are fighting against the peaceful population, as well as a volunteer Donbass ‘anti-terrorist’ unit. Also security and internal forces transferred to Lugansk and Donetsk from other areas of the country are suppressing dissent,” the minister said.
He added that Ukrainian sabotage units have been deployed near the Russian border.
In contrast, Shoigu said that the pro-Russian self-defense units number about 2,000 and have about 100 guns between them, which have mostly been taken from local police stations.
I did not expect such a dramatic and rapid escalation and if I was on the side of the forces currently attacking Slaviansk I would get really frightened. The size of the force Shoigu has just mobilized is huge, potentially enough to fight a major war on a full continental front. It also includes the best and most powerful and battle-hardened Russian units from the southern military district.
Now, this does not at all mean that the FULL forces of the military districts have been mobilized or are moving. But that the Russian high command can draw whatever units it deems necessary from these two districts (a misnomer, by the way, they are now called “strategic directions”). One thing is certain, not even during the Chechen wars or 08.08.08 did Russia assemble such a powerful military force. I am frankly astounded that they would make such a decision and announce it publicly even though the Ukrainian attack so far has been, frankly, minimal and lame.
Also, notice that unlike Putin, Shoigu is not talking about “consequences” for “individuals” but about stopping the Ukrainian military machine! He also presents this not a a choice for Russia, but as something Russia is forced to do. He clearly knows something we don’t. Maybe a NATO move in western Ukraine? It seems totally crazy to me that NATO would do that, but how can I otherwise explain the huge size of the force Russia has just put on alert?! You don’t need the resources of two of you most powerful strategic directions to deal with 5’000+ SBU/RS thugs? For that a single ODON division would be plenty.
I am getting very worried by this and I hope that this is a mistranslation or some kind of misunderstanding on RT’s part (stuff happens). But if not, then this is very, very serious.
I will try my best to figure out what is going on.
Stay tuned (and say prayer for peace), and let’s hope that things calm down.
The Saker
UPDATE @ 1522Z: 5 people reported killed in Slaviansk. Ukies have entered Slaviansk, there are combats inside the city. The cellular network has been disconnected.
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MK Bradrakumar has a great piece up on his blog predicting Russia is planning on intervening to defend Eastern Russia.
http://blogs.rediff.com/mkbhadrakumar/2014/04/24/neon-lights-of-kiev-haunt-china/
Lavrov in his RT interview today brought up South Ossetia, certainly seems like a warning to the West if a federalised Ukraine is not accepted.
The Russians and Chinese will sink the US$ by just not accepting it anymore as payment.
It is easiest and cleanest way to deal with these warmonger banksters.
Oracle
Is Putin ready to go all the way?
Engaging with US forces?
The American people will not be able to slow down the MIC on this one.
So sad on the 100 year Anniversary of WW1.
Notice how the escalation came after Biden’s visit, much like Brennan’s. It’s almost as if the people of the Ukraine could settle their differences peacefully without US interference!
Graham Phillips is in Sloviansk and he tweeted 7 min ago. Don’t know if he used WiFi or cellular but doesn’t mention combat in the city. A press conf w/ mayor just finished.
https://twitter.com/grahamwp_uk
The number of people killed (5) was reported some hours ago.
@Afterthought:Is Putin ready to go all the way? Engaging with US forces?
Yes. Absolutely. Beyond any tiny shade of a doubt. But it is not just “Putin”, it is the entire Russian nation minus, maybe, 2-5% max, believe me, their resolve is as strong as it was in 1943. The question is are Obama and the American people ready to go all the way? Engaging with Russian forces, just like Napoleon and Hiter?
Ukrainian army has suspended operations in the east of the country claiming high risk of russian invasion
Saker what is the size of the Russian force from two military districts?
@anonymous: Ukrainian army has suspended operations in the east of the country claiming high risk of russian invasion
You have a source for that?
Russia is smart and has no choice; if they don’t stop the US, then the americans will do thesame thing to Russia and China and Iran that they havedone to Iraq, Syria, etc…
@pug:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Military_District
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Military_District
@ Saker You have a source for that?
ukrainan press
The news is been reported by RT and Italian Press also
@ Saker You have a source for that?
ukrainan press
The news is been reported by RT and Italian Press also
http://www.repubblica.it/esteri/2014/04/24/news/ucraina_attacco_lavrov-84321061/?ref=HREC1-4
http://rt.com/news/154588-russia-drill-ukraine-operation/
press sources claiming suspension of military operation in east ukraine
@anonymous: well I sure hope that you are right and that the Russians can still be convinced to stop.
Can you give me any link in Ukrainian or Italian or to RT?
Thanks!
@EVERYBODY:
I will be mostly off the net for a few hours so please keep posting any info (I will be able to moderate them every 30mins or so)
Cheers!
The Saker
Hi saker,
Your take on Hamas and Fatah having just reached an agreement and the very agressive response by Isreal thereto? Coïncidental/irrelevant or another little wave joining the wider butterfly effect by aetherial forces..?
Who’s Cold N Holefield and agents like him? Read A guide to Hasbara trolls
At MoA there is a case of a specially nasty, brutal, lying, instigating, thugish, repulsive hasbara/sayanim troll “thomas” that even threatened to shut down B’s site by involving German authorities.
my two cents….i live in tucson,az.and my house is located at the end of the main runway of davis-mothan afb. i have lived here for 3 years and have never heard it so quiet….the main planes that are flown out of this base are the A-10 “tank killer” ground attack plane and the large c-140 cargo transports…rayethon also builds weapons not far from the base….it appears to me that something is going on….material is being put into place…..practice time is over….they literally fly just above and directly over the house….now nothing!!!! to me this speaks volumes….
Putin is not being hesitant.
Imagine Putin in his room with 9 other guys, some are saying what are you waiting for, others are saying in the end we will need to use force, so sooner better than later, etc, etc.
Putin is saying to himself, woah, we need a 10th men and looks like I am it.
Might interest some….Russia’s New Army – published in 2011. I haven’t read it yet, but am about to…
http://www.cast.ru/files/book/NewArmy_sm.pdf
I suspect that out of area mercenary groups (Greystone for one) are gearing up to do something stupid.
This on top of the stupidity of Right Sector could send this out of control extraordinarily quickly.
Trying to separate false flags from reality will be very difficult when everyone is screaming bloody hell.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FONN-0uoTHI
Hi Saker, thank you for publishing this blog. The sitreps are invaluable.
I like to add my observations. The break-off of just East and South is not in Russia’s favor. This will provide legal cover for the Western Ukraine to join NATO. As soon as the East breaks off, they will hastily conduct a referendum which will approve the country join the NATO. The NATO will quickly agree regardless of their financial condition. Western Ukraine will then become the base of operations to destabilize Russia -like Turkey to Syria.
I am sure the Russian leadership is aware of this, so if Russia is going intervene militarily, they would not just stop with the East. They will at a minimum invade Kiev proper and overthrow the Junta. That’s why they assembled such a large force and are issuing warnings about consequences to the Junta leadership.
The purpose of the Russian drills will be to mount pressure and keep the other side guessing. The larger the manoeuvres the more monitoring will be needed. The last time the Russians did this they took over Crimea.
Now if the Americans knew that this would be Russia’s response, why provoke? If they have not learnt from the last time then they are clearly insane. But if this is planned and forseen then something else must be in the works. Maybe they do want your plan ‘C’. Maybe they have something in waiting.
The first few times the Iranians sent their human waves, Saddam was unprepared. Then the Iraqis built killing zones. And the insane Iranians kept repeating themselves.
Very hard to tell what they are playing at. Maybe Obama is a KGB sleeper who is destroying the empire from within. By the end he’ll sanction so many nations, he’ll have hardly anyone to play with in his sandbox.
mindfriedo
ps: A lot of heads are rolling in the Middle East. Do keep an eye.
The Ukraine was not the first time the Americans showed double standard. But I guess Libya was when the Russians decided to fight tooh and nail. Ukraine is their second resolved confrontation after Syria.
I’m reposting; I don’t understand why it didn’t post the first time I sent it?
I’m posting this link in case someone hasn’t already done so, because Mike Whitney hits Putin’s dilemma on the nail and also has the Zio-media’ s complicity in spinning the propaganda against Putin and Russia pegged.
http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/04/23/putins-dilemma/
While Whitney doesn’t suggest a way out of this trap he clearly states the massive threat to Russia which I will add to below. I’m not sure how much operational, tactical experience Putin acquired while in the KGB, but if anything will help him maneuver his way through this minefield of damned if you do; damned if you don’t entrapment set by the Anglo/Zio empire it would be just such intelligence operational experience. It’s going to take a well-coordinated, deeply embedded intelligence operation, networking with ethnic Russian resistance on the ground to defeat the Anglo/Zio agenda delicately sidestepping their traps.
Some of you know I was sidelined i.e. viciously marginalized in a feeble attempt to ruin my credibility, and then banned at MoA, i.e. really the most effective term would be muzzled, because the threat of my truth is a clear and present danger to the Zionist agenda that conveniently and deceptively straddles the imperial issue on both sides of the public domain to manipulate the discussion to the half-truth end. Those who steer towards the full truth by exposing and attacking the full picture represents the biggest threat to the Anglo/Zionist agenda and no one should pretend to be working to defeat the Anglo/Zionist plan when they literally sabotage all discussion on Zionist involvement in that plan.
The neocons who are 95% Zionists launched this Anglo/Zio empire offensive and were the original architects of the imperial agenda. Wolfowitz’s Doctrine mirrors Zbigniew Brzezinski’s Grand Chessboard and vice-versa and they speak with the same forked tongue.
I have read some at MoA discrediting Saker because of his Anglo/Zio description of the Empire. This is because they work with half-truth and Saker works with the full truth, at least from my initial impression as I have only been visiting this site for over a month. Make no mistake about it, the intent of Zionists is to sack and exploit to their advantage Russia’s wealth of resources as they attempted to do in the past. This is a big part of the imperial agenda. As I stated over at MoA, Zionists intend to solidify their power by piggybacking on this U.S./Nato offensive that Neocons i.e. Zionists dreamed up decades ago. And I’ll be damned if I’m going to allow b or anyone else fudge this truth or underestimate the role of Zionism in this empire offensive!
Russia is strategic territory to subjugate in the march to conquer Eurasia. China beware. The plan is to bring Russia to its knees, undermine BRICS in the process, neutralize and bleed Russia dry and monopolize the Eurasian economy. I agree with Whitney who writes: “The US intends to spread its military bases across Central Asia, seize vital resources and pipeline corridors, and encircle China in order to control its future growth.”
Italian press (ANSA, press agency) says that: “Secondo il KyivPost che cita un ufficiale ucraino, Kiev ha sospeso per ora l’operazione militare lanciata a Sloviansk. Kiev sta riformulando il suo piano d’azione anche perché il rischio che le truppe russe attraversino il confine sarebbe cresciuto drammaticamente”
I.e., “according to KyvPost, which quotes an Ukrainian officer, Kiev has suspended, for the time being, the military operation lauched in Sloviansk, etc”
http://www.ansa.it/sito/notizie/mondo/2014/04/20/ucraina-sparatoria-nellest-4-morti_73dd552d-523b-46b9-bfca-4a328db2561a.html
RT reports that the “anti-terror” operation was suspended but then Turchinov demanded that it be resumed.
“Reports in the Ukrainian media suggested that Russia’s show of strength led Ukraine to suspend its ‘anti-terrorist’ operation, due to fears of a potential intervention. Later Thursday, acting President Aleksandr Turchinov gave an order to resume it, accusing Moscow of “blackmail”, and demanding that Russia pull back its troops from near the border.”
http://rt.com/news/154588-russia-drill-ukraine-operation/
I don’t speak the language so I don’t know if what is claimed in the description is true. If someone could listen to this and see whether or not what they’re saying in the video confirms the claim in the description, and if you think this video is genuine and credible, that would be appreciated. Note, if it is true, I suspect this video will disappear from YouTube.
Here is the Google translation:
“Published on Apr 23, 2014
Officer of the General Staff of Ukraine Colonel Beauty threatening to shoot military forces mobilized 93 brigades perform criminal orders Kiev junta.”
Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2a_uc2pTCXQ#t=90
Dearest Saker,
USA is one of the best country, and it has very good, “God Fearing” people in it. On a bell shaped curve, the masses are very good people just trying to keep their heads above water. I hate to see the downfall of USA and the crazy neocons taking over. Never can wish on anybody or anyone.
Now, the good news. You might think that I have gone crazy. I believe that both Putin and Obama are in cahoot. It is Obama and Kerry who are threading on a very fine line. Let us look at each country and/or power and see what is happening to them, when the fog is lifted.
01. Crimea was give to Russia on a Silver Platter.
02. The rest of Ukraine will be Federalized according to Russian wishes.
03. In Syria all the terrorist have been taken care. Assad will be reelected for seven more years.
04. Hezbollah is stronger than ever, and there is finally a government in Lebanon.
05. AIPAC has been given three successive defeats and now is on decline.
06. Netanyahu doesn’t know what to do next as both USA and Kerry have washed their hands from so called, “Peace Process”.
07. Hamas and PA are now reconciling and will have a unity government.
08. UN will now recognize, “Palestine” as a state with pre-1967 borders.
09. Saudi Arabia and Muslim Brotherhood.
10. Qatar and Muslim Brotherhood.
11. Yemen and Muslim Brotherhood, especially when it comes to Saudi Arabia and Qatar.
12. Turkey sending 300 troops inside Syria to protect the “Tomb”, which belong to Turkey.
13. Saudi Arabia, Bandar Bush and the current Foreign Minister.
14. Iran and USA are once more becoming friends.
15. According to Kerry, “there is no daylight between USA and Israel. Now, the Sunshine has appeared, as Israel is trying day after day to justify, why they abstained on Crimea in UN instead of supporting USA.
16. Egypt buying Russian ARMS.
The above list is not all inclusive, but you catch my drift.
Kindest regards,
A Shia Muslim.
Hier is what ORF (official Austrian TV-Sender) is saying:
“Laut Medienberichten wurde der „Anti-Terror-Einsatz“ ukrainischer Regierungstruppen gegen prorussische Aktivisten bei der Stadt Slawjansk nach der russischen Drohung Donnerstagnachmittag aber unterbrochen. Grund sei die steigende Sorge, dass russische Truppen die gemeinsame Grenze überschreiten, zitierte die Zeitung „Kyiv Post“ am Donnerstag Regierungskreise.”
source: http://orf.at/stories/2227375/2227373/
Translation:
According to media reports, the “anti-terrorist operation” against pro-Russian activists in the city of Slavjansk was interrupted by the Ukrainian government troops, after the Russian threat Thursday afternoon. Reason is the growing concern that Russian troops cross the border, the newspaper quoted “Kyiv Post” on Thursday government circles.
Graham Phillips, Independent Brit journo freelancing for RT, left Sloviansk and is now in Izyum. Tweets pic of police car, says it has Kiev tags and has soldiers inside.
https://twitter.com/GrahamWP_UK/status/459376160561188864
Now RT (on TV) is reporting that there are tanks in Sloviansk.
Another video posted by the same person, from yesterday. What are the Colonel and the soldiers saying?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzTRbFef-Vs
@Joe Perez:Russia’s New Army – published in 2011.
Dave Glantz, US Army Col. Ret., is one of the very best if not the best specialist on the (then) Soviet and (now) Russian military and I have “known” him (though never face to face) for years. I have an immense respect for him and I am sure that this text is pretty good, even though t 2011 is old history by current Russian timeframes. Things changed immensely since Putin was reelected and Shoigu nominated. But with that caveat in mind, you will probably find the book interesting.
Cheers,
The Saker
Crazy Ivan says…
The Saker, does not feel offended but you sometimes sound scaremongering, like in this “Ukraine SITREP-update April 24, 1506 UTC/Zulu (UPDATED)”
I know the whole “Ukraine Game” it’s exiting but you’d tone down a little.
Today is/was a day of reconnaissance – simply speaking nationalist thugs were gaining intelligence how strong the separatist forces are/were.
The real attack may be done tonight or tomorrow morning.
But I must say I am deeply disappointed by Russians – having Ukrainian units concentrated in small areas and not to take advantage from that fact is stupidity for me. The more so, RF knew very well it would have to intervene in Ukraine to protect Eastern parts.
BTW. The so called Ukrainian military machine would be used as well as a tool for ethnic cleansing providing how much present Ukrainian authorities hate Russian population on Ukrainian “territory” (vide aunt Yulia), about what they had been giving attestations several times overtly.
Regards
A very interesting theory about where Putin “comes from” Putin: The Last Man Standing.
The west had the “stay behind” Gladio the USSR what could be called the “KGB resilience program”.
(link found in a comment at MoonOfAlabama)
When I wrote monopolize the Eurasian economy I should have been more specific, in other words:
to exploit Eurasian resources and manipulate and control the Eurasian economy to conform with the interests of the Anglo/Zionist empire.
my 2 cents
one more thing that NEVER happened before (even during Chechen wars or 08.08.08) – all officers of military agencies (such as GRU, FSB, drug control etc) are temporarily prohibited from abroad for holidays
http://lifenews.ru/news/131781
It’s all ove the news here, this is a link with a reported list of countries.
nd
to gemini333
The sound is pretty bad, even nature Russian speaker in comments say its hard to understand. Interesting fact is that everybody speaks Russian.
Crazy Ivan says…
The Saker, the longer I watch the short movies or read the media hype the more I am convinced of the probable nature of the Russian latest military maneuvers close to the Ukrainian borders.
As you well know Pentagon is outsourcing military operations for several years now. To have clean hands. It seems to me there are two many American instructors, militia, and “dogs of war” on Ukrainian soil to take it for granted.
The hush in media is ominous. The Polish politicians vowing/crying for attack on Russia with anything one can find, let it be forks even, a few days ago, now they literally vanished from TV screens. Equally scanty images present Russian outlets. Perhaps something is in the air tonight.
All the more the response from RF should be devastating, not counting Americans killed in the action, and giving the US clear and bloody signal – do not dare to do it ever again on our lands.
As you can see the confrontation between RF and the US has far more many facets than any most beautiful diamond in the world. Only here is an issue of to be or not to be, not a trinket for the wife of POTUS.
@anonymous: one more thing that NEVER happened before (even during Chechen wars or 08.08.08) – all officers of military agencies (such as GRU, FSB, drug control etc) are temporarily prohibited from abroad for holidays
Yup, that is definitely part of a new trend, Russia is bracing for a confrontaton, no about in my mind about that at all.
Thanks for the interesting info!
The Saker
Anonymous said…24 April, 2014 16:20
“At MoA there is a case of a specially nasty, brutal, lying, instigating, thugish, repulsive hasbara/sayanim troll “thomas” that even threatened to shut down B’s site by involving German authorities.”
I believe he posts here as crazy ivan.
kalithea said…24 April, 2014 16:59
MOA is a Jewish-supremacist site of the phony left stealth zionist sort. Not surprised you were S.W.A.R.M.’d there. The “inner circle” of web sayanim there are part of the same sayanim network that Gilad Atzmon has clashed with over the years. This site is sort of their pub since the old Guardian Talk forum was shut.
http://notthetalk.com/
Shia Muslim;
Obama, to his credit, may have qualms about unnecessary conflict with Russia, but if the Deep State wants something, they just go around him.
During the 2008 election the neocons launched the war in Georgia and had the Democratic party of Arkansas chairman killed with no consequences to show Obama what they can do if he doesn’t play ball.
Do you think Victoria Nuland was acting on the orders of Obama? Obama is gone in 21 months. These people are there for life.
this whole thing scares the shit out of me. We are very close to WWIII, only because this american mafia gang is getting completely insane?
The last couple of years, studying world politics, has left me disgusted with US behaviour and propaganda; it makes yoy wanna vomit!
Do these people have no decency at all? ???????????????????????????????????????
No human values and feelings for their other fellow human beings???
Instigating a civil war etc. which might kill ten thousands of people in the most cruel ways???
I don’t get it anymore – maybe I’m too old and too mentally defunct !
Salam mindfriedo,
mindfriedo siad,
“Maybe Obama is a KGB sleeper who is destroying the empire from within……. ps: A lot of heads are rolling in the Middle East. Do keep an eye.”
No Obama is not a KGB sleeper. He is a true American President, with the help of Kerry and others is trying to save the Good Ole USA.
Imagine, for Obama to appoint his Defense Secretary (Chuck Hagel), he needs the approval of Netanyahu.
The same Netanyahu, who threatened Bill Clinton, President of USA in Washington DC. The same Netanyahu, who for the last five years, lectures with intimidation the first American African President of the USA in the White House year after year.
Netanyahu days are numbered and God Willing the Israelis and Palestinians will now live in peace.
Yes, lots of heads will be rolling in the Middle East, some have already.
Amen Rabbi (My Nurturer God, My Sustainer God,My ,God, My Nourisher God …)
A Shia Muslim.
Crazy Ivan,
Forward to the stone age?
In some respects, that is true. Let us just hope that there is at least one person in the western hierarchy that will break ranks before that.
MoonOfAlabama is a link goldmine, look at this jewel of warmongering propaganda Stopping Russia Starts in Syria and… enjoy the comments :-D
Anne-Marie Slaughter is the author of the book “A New World Order” (no kidding!)
Bad news.
The Mossad tool Simon Ostrovsky was set free by the antimaydan in Slavyansk.
This comment thread is getting a little too far “out there” for me.
I just hope for peace.
Good afternoon, evening, all.
Crazy Ivan says…
@ Afterthought 24 April, 2014 19:11
The Saker shared many times in recent days his view that the highest echelon of US military have more common sense than Western politicians, who de facto went amok.
We know as well, both military commands are in constant contact.
A few more such “world games” from the US side and the pressure for sort of coup d’etat in Washington DC will become unbearable.
If the Saker is right there’s a chance for us. If not? My imagination stopped here. :(
BOT TAK I believe you’re wrong on MoA being Jewish-supremacist supported, it’s simpler – unfortunately apparently B’s got really scared of the legal threats by that lowlife “thomas”. Remember that in Germany the law is extremely oppressive against critics of the Israel/Jews.
The “new” Ukraine army, raised of banderivtsy bum bandits to replace the regulars who refuse to shoot Ukrainians, is apparently being very poorly supplied.
‘Feed your army, motherf***ers!’ Raging locals ‘hijack’ RT report as Ukraine troops raid Slavyansk
http://rt.com/news/154596-feed-your-army-ukraine/
From the looks of it, these are essentially bandits given uniforms and military equipment. Very ad hoc units of little actual military capability. This is probably one of the factors in their tactic of hitting the roadblocks outside of towns, then scampering off. It seems these attacks are meant to be provocations to scare the antimaydan people with terror tactics and try and draw the Russian military into the Ukraine. Rather than serious operations intent on taking over the antimaydan regions.
Afterthought said,
“Do you think Victoria Nuland was acting on the orders of Obama? Obama is gone in 21 months. These people are there for life.”
I don’t think that Ms. Nuland is that daft she keeps on pitching softball to Russians, “5 Billion Dollars, Fu*k the EU, Yat is our man, and so forth.”
Again yesterday, she repeated the “5 Billion Dollars” claim before the turn of Russian UN Ambassador came for his interview.
Best regards,
A Shia Muslim.
http://rt.com/news/eastern-ukraine-army-operation-680/
“16:48 GMT: Right Sector radicals have blockaded an administrative building in the western Ukrainian city of Kolomyya to protest the appointment of the new local administration head, picked by the coup-imposed acting Ukrainian president Aleksandr Turchinov, local media reports. The Right Sector and local self-defense say there should not be any city official named until popular elections. The city administration officials say they have not been able to continue their work and warn that the blockade of the building will affect the life of local residents.”
Banderivtsy attacking the east as part of the regime and banderivtsy attacking the regime in the west.
@Shia Muslim. Yes, that’s been the viewpoint shared by Gordon Duff and Thierry Meyssan to a large degree. A great shift in Obama’s behaviour has occured since the evening of the won re-election in 2012. Read about the “purge and the pact”. Gordon’s sources talk about “bifurcation” in the US chain of command – there are forces operating within the US government, armed forces, intelligence loyal to the criminal cabal of the Bush/Cheney gang including Nuland, Petreaus JSOC, Romney, Clintons, Academi, PNAC/FDD, AIPAC, ADL, GOP, FED. thy have been trying desperately at every step to derail the cooperation between Obama and Putin (including fake American “patriots”, “activist” marches on DC). There have threats against Obama and his family, some expressed openly. There was also an attempt to kill gen. Dempsey in Afghanistan. Unfortunately Obama has not been consistent on his end of the agreement with Russia. Clearly his control is limited.
saker, instead of getting worried you should rejoice that russia is ready to confront the anglosaxon evil empire and give fitting replky. once that empire is shown not to have succeded in its latest evil plot that empire will vanish soon because it has got nothing butmilitary pwoer to bully others to buy its products with false printed money.
so wish all the best to Russia and to the humanity for success.
A Shia Muslim,
I responded to you in detail on the CrossTalk thread
Kalithea,
Hi! Sometimes it takes a while for comments to show up bc Saker reviews them first to screen out trolls.
Afterthought,
Sigh. I think you’re right on about how things work here but I’d add to your last comment that, while our interference didn’t create the lines of fracture in Ukraine, we certainly applied enough torque to blow them wide open. And maybe the rest of the planet too — all on the eve of the 100th anniversary of the start of WWI. I would imagine the CIA and mercenary types don’t know the history, the Neo-cons don’t care and most of the American public will simply swallow whatever propaganda it’s fed.
the more Russia dillay dally and prognosticate the more Russia has to face problem multiple folds as she had to in her history. Russia msut be decisive and take advantage of momentum rather than sleep over a problem
Remember that the NATO terrorists in Ukraine won’t hesitate to use human shields as was done in Syria – Russia must prevent this to be really successful.
@Various warmongers:
Frankly, I am kind of getting irritated with the comments suggesting that Russia must be more “decisive” or even outright go to war. That kind of talk is cheap and costs nothing, whereas wars cause unmeasurable suffering, no matter how ‘small’ or ‘surgical’ that war is supposed to be. What some call an “operation” always turned into mass killing and I don’t believe that a decent and mature person can actually want to see the mass killing of his/her fellow human beings. I, for sure, do NOT want war, and I have the deepest admiration for the restraint Putin has shown. A decent and civilized country does not go to war to solve a problem – barbarians do that – but goes to war only when it really has no other choice. As for warmongers, I don’t give a damn if they are of the pro-American persuasion or the pro-Russian persuasion – to me their views are equally abhorrent.
Also, next to the anti-Jewish streak, there is also nasty and recurrent streak of crude anti-Anglo bigotry in the comments. While I myself use the term AngloZionist (I have explained many times why), I also believe that is is wrong, illogical and immoral to wish the Anglo-Saxon *people* harm. They did not chose the regime they live under and they have no say into what their leaders do (I hope that nobody here is stupid enough to seriously believe that elections have any other function than to give the illusion of democracy and freedom). Anglos are no more responsible for their rulers than Germans were under the Nazi regime or Russians during the Soviet one.
So – PLEASE! – can we all agree that what we oppose are ideas, ideologies, systems, blocks and empires, but NOT people? Can we agree that all spilled blood has the same value and is equally precious? That all innocent people deserve compassion and protection? That killing Ukrainians is no more desirable than killing Russians or Americans?
Wars are about killing human beings, and I oppose killing human beings. I therefore oppose war on principle. Now, if it is in self-defense or to protect others, and if all other solutions have failed, then I will support military action. But only as a last resort.
For all the noise and hype – Slaviansk is not Tskhinval (yet?). Until and unless the situation in the eastern Ukraine becomes similar to the one in South Ossetia I personally will continue to hope that Russia does not intervene.
I am frankly saddened by all those who want to see a war being. What folly!
The Saker
Now Israel’s nazi queens are threatening Russia.
Ukraine gives Russia 48 hours to explain army drills near border
http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_04_24/Ukraine-gives-Russia-48-hours-to-explain-army-drills-near-border-0504/
“MOA is a Jewish-supremacist site of the phony left stealth zionist sort.”
Then, why is it defunct? You make it sound like it was indispensible to the Zionists.
Dear The Saker,
http://rt.com/news/154588-russia-drill-ukraine-operation/
As you say – I think the Russians know more than we do. Also note that traitor from the junta says that Russia is “blackmailing” them by moving their troops to their border – this guy is beginning to really annoy me!
Funny Poland dragged us into WWII and yet agian they coould be the start of WWIII.
The Junta are complete idiots but they know the Russians don’t bluff.
Rgds,
Veritas
p.s. I am a bit annoyed by this Simon Orstsky story – just sounds like a set up to discredit the self defence forces. How about all the Russian journalists and the Belarusian film crew who have been kidnapped – we don’t hear about that do we….
Hi Saker;
I am frankly astounded that they would make such a decision and announce it publicly even though the Ukrainian attack so far has been, frankly, minimal and lame.
I don’t find it surprising. Because I have always held the opinion that in some ways the main stream media serves as a form of communication between more then just the masses
So, someone is sending a message
“You don’t need the resources of two of you most powerful strategic directions to deal with 5’000+ SBU/RS thugs? For that a single ODON division would be plenty.”
Maybe the message is one to NATO and to other parties, outside of Ukraine? Or not just to Ukraine alone?
I don’t imagine that Russia sees this as just being about Ukraine.
As for moves in the West of Ukraine?
What has Poland been up as of late?
Interesting analysis of today’s attacks by the banderivtsy.
Обстоятельства прекращения “антитеррористических” действий (Circumstances of termination “antiterrorist” operations)
http://anna-news.info/node/15420
(auto trans – some parts not very clear) “Apparently, the anti-terrorist operation predictably turned into a rude sound on anything yet put a comma, but it is likely that it will have to cross out and put an end.
Even if we exclude a number of reports in recent days and even hours of a series of mutinies in the APU, some reports say nothing of direct armed clashes between army troops and bandits SBU / “right sector,” it is obvious that nailed with great difficulty, “anti-terrorist” group unable to solve the problem of taking control of a large city by any standards Slovyansk.
Unable to two key reasons – first, because it is not able to do it. No hits “Right sector”, neither the army nor special forces never learned to take the fortified city. Raid on a checkpoint and shooting unarmed almost – always please. Fight in the city, from where units are required concerted action between different groups, joint actions armor, infantry, artillery, aviation – modern Ukraine has no tool for the job. Likely entered a few hundred meters to the suburbs Sloviansk, “anti-terrorists” lost communication and coordination on what command chose to roll the entire operation of harm’s way.
The second reason – moral standing. SBU Special Forces and Ministry of Internal Affairs, with at least some training, no one in their right mind would throw in the first wave, and not enough to correct their combined arms combat, even in one city block. “Right Sector” was a role play and glorious Bandera habit is only able to plunder, looting and executions. Therefore, in the first wave to be an army that fight just does not want to.
Accordingly, for the special forces of the SBU, the Interior Ministry and Banderivtsy almost no work – they are designed for stripping and suppression of individual pockets of resistance. After the special forces shot down punitive roadblocks, the battle had to go it was the army – and apparently, this is the stage turned failed.”
Continued.
2nd part.
“Ponomarev said the head of the rebels that the total number of militia Slovyansk is two and a half thousand people. This is definitely not enough to protect the city, moreover, defense Sloviansk, apparently built a very, very simplistic – created only a few fortified. However, given the small number of militia, the main emphasis is on mobile maneuverable groups that should be constantly pushing the city to attack punishers. As a result, today almost no militia were involved – managed to repel the forces of punishers, which were located on the very first lines. Punishers, came into the city, and faced with the first resistance, were completely incapable of further promotion.
All together, says that we can see a repeat of today’s attempts – but no more. Mark Slovyansk available forces junta not. Others simply do not. The only sane option – massive bombardment from artillery units of resistance, but for a mobile defense that is not going to defend every home, like Stalingrad, it’s like shooting a machine gun at a flock of mosquito.
Furthermore, the use of artillery and aircraft will be the last stone thrown on the fragile balance scales – Russia can not remain indifferent and will be forced to send troops if not, then apply with bomb assault and artillery attack by the accumulation of punishers. That, in fact, would be tantamount to putting troops.
Apparently, all the circumstances and force the junta to begin the process of discontinuing the ATU. Not the fact that the transaction will be canceled, not the fact that all gathered around Sloviansk punishers submit to the decision of Kiev, if it is taken – but in general the military option frankly fails. You can (and should) expect a repeat attack at night – but the truth is, after demonstrated a complete inability to concerted action in the daytime, expect a night attack all the more ridiculous – punishers slaughter each other faster than it will make militias.
Kiev media make conflicting messages – now actively pursued version that today’s event – the first stage of the ATU, to be followed by others. Although possible, it is just an attempt to curtail the operation, keeping the remains of a person.
Anyway, the situation continues to be, as they say, disturbing. Kiev repeatedly demonstrated complete detachment from reality, and today’s attempt – an extra demonstration of this.”
saker: those who claim the world’s ills can be cured by exterminating the Jews are here. And mirabile dictu! they say they aren’t bigots. It’s some kind of kooky bizarro hasbara.
Hi Nora,
“Nora said…
A Shia Muslim,
I responded to you in detail on the CrossTalk thread”
I have replied to you in the above same thread.
Best regards,
A Shia Muslim.
Anonymous said…
“@Shia Muslim. Yes, that’s been the viewpoint shared by Gordon Duff and Thierry Meyssan to a large degree. A great shift in Obama’s behaviour has occured since the evening of the won re-election in 2012. Read about the “purge and the pact”. Gordon’s sources talk about “bifurcation” in the US chain of command”
Thank you for the information. I will for sure look into it.
Best regards,
A Shia Muslim.
Fending Off the United State’s Imperial Hand
Putin’s Dilemma
by MIKE WHITNEY
“The last decade of the twentieth century has witnessed a tectonic shift in world affairs. For the first time ever, a non-Eurasian power has emerged not only as a key arbiter of Eurasian power relations but also as the world’s paramount power.” (p. xiii)
“Now a non-Eurasian power is preeminent in Eurasia — and America’s global primacy is directly dependent on how long and how effectively its preponderance on the Eurasian continent is sustained.” (p.30)
Excerpts from The Grand Chessboard : American Primacy And Its Geostrategic Imperatives, Zbigniew Brzezinski, Basic Books, 1997
“We were promised in Munich that after the unification of Germany, no expansion of NATO would take place in the East. Then NATO expanded by adding former Warsaw Pact countries, former U.S.S.R. countries, and I asked: ‘Why are you doing that?’ And they told me, ‘It is not your business.’ ”
– Russian President Vladimir Putin, Moscow press conference, April 2014
The United States is in the opening phase of a war on Russia. Policymakers in Washington have shifted their attention from the Middle East to Eurasia where they hope to achieve the most ambitious part of the imperial project; to establish forward-operating bases along Russia’s western flank, to stop further economic integration between Asia and Europe, and to begin the long-sought goal of dismembering the Russian Federation. These are the objectives of the current policy. The US intends to spread its military bases across Central Asia, seize vital resources and pipeline corridors, and encircle China in order to control its future growth. The dust-up in Ukraine indicates that the starting bell has already been rung and the operation is fully-underway. As we know from past experience, Washington will pursue its strategy relentlessly while shrugging off public opinion, international law or the condemnation of adversaries and allies alike. The world’s only superpower does not have to listen to anyone. It is a law unto itself.
Read more at: http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/04/23/putins-dilemma/
Information on the Campaign “Europe loves Russia and Russia loves Europe” (Europa liebt Russland und Russland liebt Europa):
http://alles-schallundrauch.blogspot.de/2014/04/aktion-europa-liebt-russland-und.html
That is a Swiss blog.
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To вот так
I’m glad you recognize the swarm of Zionists masquerading as concerned leftists at MoA capping off the discussion at the Do Not Enter discussion checkpoint ziozone where all speculation on the Zionist role in the rise of the Empire is strictly verboten.
Because the escalation fuse has been lit against Eastern Ukraine specifically with the jarring presence of CIA John Brennan in Kiev, I felt compelled to return to comment on these events…outside the ziosphere that is MoA.
Dear Saker @ 24 April, 2014 20:05
Bravo, a trillion times over!! “Who here is a decent human being?” paraphrasing le Carre in The Russia House. Mr. Saker is one of those few.
uh-huh said…24 April, 2014 20:32
“saker: those who claim the world’s ills can be cured by exterminating the Jews are here. And mirabile dictu! they say they aren’t bigots. It’s some kind of kooky bizarro hasbara.”
This is a standard web sayanim trolling technique. One will notice the zionazi site disruptor does not add info to the comments, but uses the usual anti-semitism smears and defends fellow sayanim. This is what passes for constructive dialog at Jewish run sites, like MOA. I figured as soon as the sayanim there became aware of the increased influence of this site, they would start bringing their zionazi poison here, as well.
Has it occurred to you Saker that the target is not Putin… but Obama? That would be regime change in the U.S. Because Obama can’t “stand up” to Putin.
Don’t pile on Obama, Saker, until you think what the alternative is.
Лавров: Байден на встрече с властями Украины занял место главы государства (Lavrov: Biden took the seat of the head of state during a meeting with the authorities of Ukraine)
http://www.vz.ru/news/2014/4/24/683835.html
“U.S. Vice President Joseph Biden at the meeting with the Ukrainian leadership sat on the seat to the President, said Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov.
“Joe Biden held a meeting with the Ukrainian leadership, in fact, in the format of the head of state at an internal meeting, sitting at the head table, and the sides of it were located Ukrainian representatives” – Lavrov said, reports RT”.
На встрече с украинцами вице-президент США сидел на месте главы государства
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AopDkgjgfMI
quote ” Wolfowitz’s Doctrine mirrors Zbigniew Brzezinski’s Grand Chessboard and vice-versa and they speak with the same forked tongue.”
wolfowitz is not only jew but also zionist while ZIbi is neither a jew or zionist : in fact he was very much antiisrale.
what they share in common is pro angloempire and rabid anti Russian sentiments.
as a pole Zibi is anti russian but aslo anti zionist while as a jew wolfwitzt is anti russian the same Russia which helpd create israle in Un resolution brought hurriedly by england int he hope that it would nto pass.
so please do nto label everythin as zionist-that is giving free pass to real evil anglos pararsite empire which uses proxis to destablise others then discard them. zionist are that useful idiots.