Dear friends,
Some of you may have noticed that a few comments have been posted here accusing me of spreading the rumor of Strelkov’s death. The same nonsense has also been posted elsewhere on the Internet.
Just to make things clear, I was told about these rumors this morning from several readers. I replied to them that I did not believe that this was true. The origin of these rumors might be this:
http://crimelist.ru/archives/49674-kriminalnaya-hronika-rossii
Just in case somebody removes this page, here it is:
Apparently, Wikipedia also picked up this story.
You can check for yourself what I actually posted here.
For the life of me I cannot imagine how anybody mentally sane could take a paragraph containing the following and conclude that I was announcing Strelkov’s death (emphasis added)
While I cannot prove a negative, so far NOT A SINGLE RUSSIAN OR NOVORUSSIAN SOURCE HAS CONFIRMED THIS including his friend el-Miurid. So I suggest that we take a deep breath, say a prayer, and wait before coming to conclusions.
Maybe a drooling idiot can, but not somebody mentally normal. Alas, it appears that drooling idiots are the least of my problems.
I am sorry to announce that I have come to the conclusion that the people “systematically misunderstanding” what I write here are neither idiots nor trolls. There is a group of individuals which have embarked on a campaign to slander and discredit me. If they only called me names, that would not be too bad, the problem is that they systematically distort what I actually write here and “creatively re-interpret” it in order to make me say things I never said. The example with the Strelkov death rumor is just the latest example of that. Then, when I prove that they twisted and misrepresented what I actually said, they say that I changed my tune and that I am a liar. Lately, they have also been hinting at some dark nefarious “agenda” of mine (-: I suppose that Wikipedia is on it too, that we are all part of the same conspiracy :-)
I suppose that this was to be expected and that the success of this blog and the community around it is making some circles very angry, though dumb jealously might also play a role.
My warning to you all, my friends and readers, to be aware of this campaign to slander and discredit me comes with a request. If tomorrow you read that I said X, Y or Z – please come back here and carefully check what I did or did not say.
My second warning is that I will not answer any strawman posts or comments. If some folks cannot read what it actually says, they need to learn that skill before reading this blog. As for those who deliberately try to twist my words, I have nothing to say to them anyway.
I am sorry to have to bring up this distasteful matter, but this latest nonsense about me spreading rumors about Strelkov’s alleged suicide is really to disgusting and too toxic to ignore.
Kind regards to all,
The Saker
There are always those that try to discredit in order to silence the ones that seek to spread the truth. I’m so grateful for your blog, your insight and the insight of many of those that comment here. Sorry you have been subjected to these personal attacks. Keep up the great work!
,I suppose that this was to be expected and that the success of this blog and the community around it is making some circles very angry, though dumb jealously might also play a role.’…
Dear Saker, you are imo spot on.
I have done my best, to spread your url all around Germany. With pleasure I have noticed, that it has gained momentum.
Many trust your deep analysis and your loyalty. You have workd hard and you have gained a spotless reputation.
Nobody will be able to destroy it by spreading rumours.
Pls continue the good work.
Dear Saker,
I have found your indispensable work only recently and I can say, that I am already really sorry that there is not enough real time to go through all your articles and your analyses which you have written through all these long years, when I was…let’s say…hm…”vegetating zombie”. Thanks to you, to your work and to your help I am staring (at least I hope so…:)…) to be a living person with open eyes and open senses once again…
…so despite of whoever, wherever, whenever is saying about you, I can say only:
“thanks to God that You are” and that you are offering us yours keys for opening all these “doors”…
…so please, don’t take their recent toxic rumors about you personally and don’t let’s them touch or hurt your spirit…
…Dear Saker, thank you so, so much for you being here…with and for us…
…and I am with you…
…yours friend from Slovakia…
@ woogs – 02:29
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The reason can probably found here:
– Pflichtverletzung bei Überschuldung –
,Putin zieht den nächsten Joker: Russland kann Staats-Pleite der Ukraine auslösen’
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This articke surfaced tiday at Deutsche Wirtschaftsnachrichten (DWN)
It says:
Putin pulls a joker because he can easily bring about Ukraine default.
It’s about the engl. law bond amounting to $ 3 bn ( first installment if the $ 15 bn offered) that can be callled DUE immediately.
Samantha
Ann is right. You are a breath of fresh air. I see the blackout on this news all over the internet. Of course the cyberwar will come to you, but you are special and have great support and good friends. Best wishes.
Today there are fresh videos with Strelkov commenting on other aspects of the developments in Ukraine.
I apologize beforehand. Dear all, don’t behave like sheeple. Please.
Check more than one source, check dates, check facts before going into panic mode. And even news happen to be true, still don’t panic.
I hope you didnt delete my last comment for the reasons you are giving here.I would be most upset to be linked to these nazi bastards.and no,I dont need a reply,busy,busy.
XbNB
you know when you get the word to the masses, you get to be the target to be made unworthy of the real words, careful.
Saker, you have reached a multitude that pray and don’t prey:
Infinite Father
I thank Thee, that Thou hearest my prayer;
I thank Thee, that Thou hearest me always;
I thank Thee that Thou hast already given me all that my heart can wish for, all that my life may need, for the time that is and the eternity that is to be; and now with supreme joy and unspeakable thanksgiving, I come to Thee to receive Thy gifts and receive from Thy loving hands, the divine blessings that Thou hast from all eternity, treasured for me,
for Strelkov & all the Russian people who understand FAITH has to be grown like the great universe,
for all humans and especially for the Americans, Israelis, Et Al that forgot the faith is greater than the criminal fiat $ fraud.
Thanks Saker, for all you do for the people who are not criminally insane, and clearly now you have the criminally insane paying attention so there is hope?
Do the prayer and grow faith without ceasing, keep the psyops in the heads of the psychotic!
Never in my ‘long’ life so far did I expect that Russian politics (as in Strelkov piece) could be a more interesting read than a love story. Even the fact that my memory now is not capable of containing 80% of what I have read the day before doesn’t bother me much, as reading a piece of writing that makes sense to the degree as in some of Saker’s analyses itself is a ‘treat’.
Sensible and intellectual analyses here in this blog are communicated through a writing style of a combination of genuineness, honnesty, straightforwardness and a natural personal emotional involvement, which is like a stream of a personal narrative – simply floats.
This (blog) is indeed a vineyard of the saker, not a cornfileld of the cow (no discrimination here) – we are all who we are. One can always go visit a cornfield if that is more beautiful to him.
So, sincere appreciation to you, Saker, for being so true to yourself, thus to your blog. This trueness, to me, is the highest respect for readers of this blog.
Thank you !
Note : This post is intended to express how I fee about this blog, not to be opinionated.
Hi Saker
I am afraid that you have made it into the ranks of minor players (no disrespect intended in that remark) and as such no longer just another bum on the internet.
There are those, to whom the majority here are opposed and who are used to having their own way in respect of setting the narrative of events that everybody else reads.
By putting up your head and getting attention you are now a target and these are the typical methods that seem to be the tools of craft for such people.
I have long noticed that there seems to be a large pool of individuals that haunt nearly all private and public (BBC HYS etc) forums that all seem to sound very much as there postings come from the same script. The most common of which now is to try and lable anyone who digresses from the official pro US/NATO line as a Kremlin/Beijng paid shill or bot.
It is very telling that as the “opposition” use cyberspace to open up the conversation, the “status quo” seems only interested in closing that conversation down and prepared to use any and every dirty/disingenuous method to do so or otherwise make sites so unpleasant that nobody wants to visit or read.
Just filter these people out, its not censorship as there is no real alternative view being put forward, simply, smears, innuendo, and ad hominen etc.
Gettign past the eye catching headlines, it shows the numbers which are more intresting. It shows the GDP’s of nations for the last thousands of years. Quite intresting that the british empire was able to destroy all rivals including Russia, China and India by the time it went down. Even though it was a smaller power than either china or india. Also note that the British Empire seems to be responsible for taking down the Russian empire as well since in the beginning the Russian empire was far more powerful than the british. This should worry us all.. The British empire destroyed many others and the US seems to be going the same path of it we cant have it no one else can either.. Since the Russian, Chinese and Indian empires all imploded, it shows that expansion is the key to lasting power.. The Roman empire also imploded when it stopped expanding but it did not take everyone else with them.
America: your days as a global superpower are numbered
We’ve seen it before: the Roman empire fell, then the British. America’s economic dominance could be about to end – and China is taking its place.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11090928/America-your-days-as-a-global-superpower-are-numbered.html
Washington’s plans to overthrow Putin with the help of the Saudis who will crash oil prices for that purpose:
The US is Yet Again Trying to Create an Oil and Gas Collapse in Russia.
First appeared: http://journal-neo.org/2014/09/11/rus-ssha-vnov-py-tayutsya-organizovat-neftegazovy-j-kollaps-rossii/
Partitioning Russia after World War III?
http://www.4thmedia.org/2014/09/redrawing-the-map-of-the-russian-federation-partitioning-russia-after-world-war-iii/
The New Round of Sanctions – The Pre-War Period.
http://slavyangrad.org/2014/09/13/the-new-round-of-sanctions-the-pre-war-period/
You have enemies? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life. Winston Churchill
The saker is flying high above the ground, looking down, seeing rats, mice, lemmings looking fearful up at him, running around in panic, trying to hide and save their shabby lives. The saker is turning calm his rounds and smiles. He is the saker. And he won’t forget it.
What I find most impressive about your postings is that they are almost free of mental ideology, focussing on facts, and offering multiple interpretations. This is the work of someone who is not ego driven. Your critics seem to me ideological, and ego bound. You have created a blog in which participants can think and reflect. This is almost unheard of on the internet, which is entirely full of ‘positions’. It is difficult to maintain intellectual honesty in such an environment, but you have been doing so. Please ignore the critics who try to read you into ‘positions’ and attack straw men of their creation. And continue your fine work.
Saker, I’ve noticed a pattern with you. Every time you come under heavy criticism you go on a paranoid rant like this one.
Why can’t you just own up to your mistake and move on. Publishing that unsubstantiated rumour on Strelkov’s ‘death’ was irresponsible and by doing so you contributed to the spreading of such false rumours, disclaimer or not. It seems that you are being purposely obtuse in failing to comprehend that. Surely you don’t think that you are above criticism…
And furthermore, why is that post still up! At least put the update at the top..
Thanks
Amber202
TimeWillTell,
I can’t speak for Saker of course but I will speak for me. First off, the most reassuring words I read weren’t in his emails, they were the capitalized bold-face ones in that blog post that *not a single Russian or Novorussian source has confirmed this*.
The point is though that what *anyone* — not just Saker, *anyone* — believes is… just what they believe. And people can, and do, believe just about anything: so what? That doesn’t mean their beliefs are connected to anything real: they’re just beliefs and when they’re not related to God they may be nothing more than hunches.
It’s far more important to — and here I go yet again but darn it — it’s far more important to stick to the facts.
And I think those who are deliberately causing trouble are quite well aware of the American tendency to not know the difference between fact, opinion, belief or emotion. And they will continue to use that conflation quite effectively as long as we continue to fall for it.
It would be nice to cut their effectiveness.
Anonymous 09:08,
I saw that nonsense in the Wikipedia piece too. Boyoboy, was that a piece of work! Just look at the sourcing — innuendo upon rumor upon more of the same. I truly pity anyone stupid enough to fall for it.
brave cabbage,
I love your name maybe even more than your message! ;~)
Daniel Rich,
That is a really good point: they not only try to sway people’s thinking but also distract them off-course entirely and just be a major sink of both time and emotions. But it’s our responsibility not to fall for that nonsense.
Dear Saker
…And the last thing – don’t call me idiot !!!
13 September, 2014 05:34…
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Please never call anybody Idiot!
Read the book
How to win and influence people.
Long live MULTIPOLAR world.
The latest round of sanctions imposed by the European Union has essentially put an end to any discussion about the possibility of an agreement with the West. Notwithstanding all the concessions and betrayal.
The very fact that Russia faltered in Ukraine and did not defend its national interests, abandoning the Donbass region and its people to the mercy of those bent on tearing them apart, and accepting loss of face on the part of the Russian leadership and frank betrayal—all this only convinced the West that it can dictate its will by continuing to increase the pressure.
It is difficult to tell what was it that the traitors promised to the President, but it is already obvious that they deceived him. There will be no reconciliation. The problem is that now the Western pressure has ceased to have a purely Ukrainian dimension. Sanctions and their tightening are aimed exclusively at fomenting a schism in the Russian elite, at infringing on the interests of one of its parts and at whipping up an early coup.
What is at stake now is no more and no less than the head of Putin himself—no other outcome will satisfy the West. Already after Crimea, the frightened Euro-American elite had resolved that there can be no dealing with Putin’s Russia and for that reason sanctioned the plans for his overthrow. For now—by means of a coup d’état at the hands of aggrieved and disadvantaged oligarchs. If that does not work—through a military conflict.
It appears that the Russian leadership understands this, and that yesterday’s regular exercises of the troops of the Eastern Military District, which required them to be brought to full combat readiness, is a demonstration of the fact that Russia is ready for such a development of the situation. The only question that remains is whether she is ready for betrayal.
Sadly this site was the one that gave the greatest impetus to the spread of this rumour.
The internets are full of folk who think it fun to advertise and spread stories about the death of some personality or other. Their success is scored using Google Trends.
In this case, my guess, is that those who published the story might be portrayed as being less than credible and that is not what you want, I am certain.
If I might make a suggestion: this site is about analysis, about thought. It is not a news site and you don’t have the expertise, resources or temperament to run such a site. I’d suggest sticking to what you do well. ;)
You were manipulated, that’s all. You were probably not a specific target but you will have been a target of value.
Amber202,
You are of course entitled to your opinion.
Me too — and I think you are not only presumptuous but downright rude, as well as 100% wrong.
How dare you issue orders like that?
I’ll be waiting a long time, I suspect, to see you own up to any of your mistakes. You might try it sometime though before casting stones or aspersions on anyone else.
Thanks.
http://slavyangrad.org/2014/09/13/the-new-round-of-sanctions-the-pre-war-period/
The US and their Europoodles have to rip Crimea out of Russian hands. Sanctions are a prelude to war IMO
Saker has his Atlanticists vs. Eurasian Sovereigns in Russia but in America the Strangelovians have become ascendant and their Euro vassals are being dragged in willingly or unwillingly
Nice to see how quickly Finland, Italy, Cyprus and Slovakia folded in front of their Kenyan master. How can Greece betray their a Orthodox brothers while their unemployment rate is more than one in four
Dear Saker,
The trolls are aiming to deflect, distort and discredit you and your blog reducing the effectiveness of your contributions.
You have set up an excellent translation team. Why not set up a research team to take some of the load off you? They could look for evidence supporting or otherwise any particular issues e.g. the murder of Yarosh.
1. Saker, don’t worry about those who slander you. Whoever wants to read you will read YOU will read YOU and not remasticated and altered versions of your writings. The worst they can do to you is to make you waste time denying their venomous garbage instead of doing what you need to do.
2. I do fault Putin for one thing and that is pussyfooting in diplomatic statements and in Lavrov’s appealing to European leaders’s sanity. The war waged against Russia is waged with a huge barrage of lies meant to deceive their nations. I hate it when Putin or Lavrov talk of “failure to understand” on the Europeans’ part or “mistaken” measures on the part of the US. They are nothing of the sort: they are deliberate, deadly lies with a clear inimical purpose. Putin must allow Lavrov — and do so himself — to speak forcefully and clearly so that the nations under the zio-American thumb can hear them and understand what is going on. No more appeals to reason. Call the murderous lunatics what they are and name them!
A
Putin and Strelkov have done more to frustrate the mack daddies jetting around Ukieland in their bullet proof pink Cadillacs than any other caucus. They understand the enemy and the objective in the conflict –Kiev’s Nazis, the Ukrainian invasion force (US/NATO), and the 5th column supporting them from Moscow. That is why Strelkov had painted on his tanks “To Kiev!” and that is why “Brain” and his battalion are called “Ghost.” Ukie’s have reported them destroyed how many times?
As we all know that the 4th estate of the 5th column is global in scope, thus, we know that misinformation and lies are one of the primary weapons in this fight. “News” should not be posted without triangulating your sources. Regardless if you realize it or not, you are the moderator of an important news source, thus, you are held to a higher standard than everyone else.
Even though you caveated the “news” about his demise as uncorroborated, just by giving the “news” a post of its own raises the alarm and created the inference of a degree of credibility. You have been working very hard over the last few days and no one can gainsay you for the post, we all make mistakes!
Dearest Saker,
Zionists (I call them also – Neo Bolsheviks) always distort the truth.
Where have they ever , in the history of the world NOT distorted the truth???
Pay no attention to the these Neo Bolsheviks. Remember what Our Lord Jesus said: their father is the Devil. The Devil of Lies.
Saker,God bless you and your family and all the great hard work you do daily and bring to us for free.
Regards,
Carmel by the Sea
@Amber202,
You sure are uppity aren’t you?
This blog BELONGS to Saker.
Not you. Not any of us.
You could suggest/ give an opinion but you don’t.
You just outright say:
“And furthermore, why is that post still up! At least put the update at the top”.
Who are you to tell the owner of a blog what to do with your “furthermores”?
This is basically the ramifications and explanations of the GDP/super power article I posted earlier.
China is not an expansionist power. They had the most powerful army and navy in the world and did not go to colonize anyone. But they do consider their vassals as theirs alone and will not tolerate any dissent. It also goes into why China although having the GDP is not a super power. It is also why India never turned into a super power as their only expansionist dreams were to export religion which was very successful. Problem was it was supposed to be enlightening and bring peace considering its power structure was forbidden from crossing oceans and even the British had to drag their recruits by force to get them to the other colonies.
No matter what all the articles like this say, I can see that the US survives on derivatives. A little bit of a feather is used to control an elephant and by chance that feather gets away, the elephant is let loose. Or more like a herd of elephants because so many are inter connected that it could trip up a domino effect. The error just might get too large to contain.
the US is losing its place as the sole dominant geopolitical superpower and history suggests that during such shifts geopolitical tensions structurally increase. If this analysis is correct then the rise in the past five years, and most notably in the past year, of global geopolitical tensions may well prove not temporary but structural to the current world system and the world may continue to experience more frequent, longer lasting and more far reaching geopolitical stresses than it has in at least two decades. If this is indeed the case then markets might have to price in a higher degree of geopolitical risk in the years ahead.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-09-12/end-empire-de-dollarization-chart-china-and-russia-are-banking
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/12/isis-deal-syria_n_5814128.html
The Kardashian Post has been terrible on Russia/Ukraine. But here is your smoking gun that Emperor Obama’s r2p exercise against ISIS in Syria is actually to collude with ISIS to take out Assad
That move is also aimed at Putin. If Putin plays wallflower – like he did in Libya – and allows an ally to go down, how can any of the rest of the non Anglo Zion axis countries trust that Putin is truly committed to a multipolar world?
Personally I believe Putin is an Atlanticist forced to be a temporary Eurasian Sovereign out of current/temporary circumstances, not belief
He wants to capitulate to the western order status quo ante as it was/is but the West is refusing his “bowing his neck”
When the West bans Russian gas in late spring, don’t say I didn’t warn you
Hi Saker. Some personal info from and about the U.S. Nomenklatura. Somewhat off topic, but perhaps of interest:
Family dinner last night with wife, daughter, and son-in-law: midway in age between daughter and self. Was some kind of deputy assistant under-secretary for arms control in the Clinton administration, requiring Senate confirmation. Before and after that on the Hill (Congress), before that in Army G-2, much of it in Germany. Chief assistant to a Senator after Clinton. Took early retirement three years ago when the Senator retired. Now a “consultant,” travels frequently, in U.S. and abroad, therefore still closely wired into deep-state Government activities.
Personally, a scion of an old Irish family from NYC involved in maritime shipping (not of the bête-noire group for some posters). Graduate degree at a prestigious DC university. Likeable, open minded (within limits), reasonable and fair in judgment, but highly political, like most people in DC. Looks at things from “what’s good for the Dems.”
Asked about my recent group trip to Russia, where he hadn’t been since 2000. Surprised, almost incredulous, by my description of Moskva-Siti — glitzy complex of 1000-foot-tall skyscrapers a few miles west of the Kremlin. Evidently in 2000 such development would have seemed an impossibility.
Told him when Russians realized that I spoke Russian, three groups (Moscow, Suzdal, St. Petersburg) separately asked me about the situation in the Ukraine, which they were very worried about, specifically whether war was likely. (I made polite noises at the time, telling them I wasn’t following the news closely, which was true, but hoped for the best.) My son-in-law replied that the Russians should just tell Putin to stop pushing for war if they didn’t want one. I replied politely (family gathering) that Putin had tried for peace settlements all along, in February before the junta seized power, and now; had also actively discouraged the referendum in Novo-Russia; and had not intervened with Russian troops.
My son-in-law retorted that was exactly the opposite of what U.S. “policy planners” (his terms) believed, citing the MH17 shoot-down and the “Russian intervention the past month.” When I told him that the initial OSCE investigator (Canadian of Ukrainian decent) concluded on-site that the plane had been shot down by cannon fire, showing photos of the wreckage; that the U.S., U.K., the Ukraine, the Netherlands, and Australia had sequestered all technical info from the shoot-down; that the preliminary info released the other day was consistent with cannon fire, and that the Ukraine had blamed the shoot-down on the Russians almost literally before the plane had hit the ground; all strongly indicating it was a Ukrainian false flag; he wouldn’t believe me, saying there were no Ukrainian fighter planes nearby (in spite of the reports from observers on the ground and radar tracks). His reaction was the same to the lack of evidence that I cited for Russian intervention: only poor-resolution satellite photos from July showing 152-mm howitzers in Russia pointing toward the Ukraine, and from August showing T-72 tanks and Grads in the Ukraine (which the Ukrainians are known to have and the separatists to have captured): He was sure the U.S. had definitive info, which it could not reveal because of sensitive sources.
I go through this long-winded dissertation because it reflects how U.S. “policy planners” have succumbed to their own propaganda. If you repeat a lie often enough you come to believe it. It reminds me of how the British before the American Revolution, the Confederates before Sumter, and the Nazis before Barbarossa, all believed their opponents were incompetent cowards, who wouldn’t fight long or well. Even now some U.S. analysts cite the 2008 Georgian imbroglio as an example of how incompetent the Russians are militarily (although they won in five days).
Nora,
I’m only going to respond to you once as I do not want to derail this thread.
You accuse me of being ‘presumptuous’ among other things but then infer that I don’t own up to my mistakes. I always do and indeed I welcome constructive criticism of the variety I provided in my initial post. No need to be ‘rude’ to me nor get defensive…
Don’t address me again Nora especially since my post was in now way addressed to you…
I stick to my opinion that the Saker exercised poor judgement in publishing those rumours and continue to do so by not taking it down or at least providing an update at the top…
Thank you moderators, I hope you at least allow me to defend myself, I assure you I won’t keep up this silly back and forth further
It strikes me that Saker’s manner of blogging is very much of the same character (he is Russian, after all) as was Dostoievski’s in “The Brothers Karamazov”. That is, in order to provoke a thinking dialogue in comments, he very often chooses the “Pro and Contra” approach.
This is a very good method when readers have been (and we all are this) somewhat brainwashed by endless propaganda. The ‘contra’ side is presented at the same time as is presented ‘pro’ as fairly for each as the time and space allow.
Then, much respect is accorded to the reader that he or she read carefully and come to her or his own conclusions in the matter.
This is an unique approach. And certainly one that is open to attack and misinterpretation. Yet, like Dostoievski, Saker freely admits his mistakes, and that is why we trust him and continue to read. Not to be led up a primrose path but to see many sides of a difficult issue.
Dostoievski said something to the effect that he wanted the reader to do some of the work – it’s why his readings at universities were always so enthusiastically received. Minds were set working by what he wrote, even minds which disagreed with him on some points.
I hope there will continue to be disagreements on this blog; but I hope the disagreements will be politely presented and buttressed by reasonable argument. Commenters won’t always change Saker’s mind; but I have seen many examples where they did. We are all human and trying (or should be) to do our best to find the truth.
For many years I have been depressed and kept to myself, mostly because people would look at me funny or feel sorry for me from those who knew me. I could not understand how people could be so blind. It took many many years to see what I had been saying was now being seen by others. Although by that time it was far too late. It gets especially bad when others attack you for it. Same as it happens here when ignorance or profit makes one to attack the site author because they are posting stuff that might upset the greater agenda.
Although Chossudovsky is more tactical and dont call a spade a spade he does make the same point. I say the US is bombing the groups who are opposing the IS, while Chossudovsky says the US is just bombing civilians. He has been writing articles about the empire for decades as well. And it is always good to see light in the darkness and it seems these days more and more lights are shining in the darkness for some reason. Maybe we are waking up at last..
And who was behind the jihadist insurgency in Syria?
Those who ordered the bombing campaign are those who are behind the Caliphate Project.
The Islamic State (IS) militia, which is currently the alleged target of a US-NATO bombing under a counter-terrorism mandate, was and continues to be supported covertly by the United States.
We are dealing with a diabolical project: The architects of the Islamic State have informed the World that they are “going after” their own terrorists as part of a counter-terrorism operation.
While these actions are undertaken under the banner of the “Global War on Terrorism”, the US has no intention to target its IS own terror brigades which are integrated by Western special forces and intelligence operatives. In fact the only meaningful and effective campaign against Islamic State terrorists is being waged by Syrian government forces.
Needless to say, US, NATO, Saudi and Qatari support and funding to the Islamic State will continue. The objective is not to destroy the Islamic State as promised by Obama. What we are dealing with is a US sponsored process of destabilizing and destroying both Iraq and Syria. The campaign against the Islamic State is being used as a justification to bomb both countries, largely targeting civilians.
The endgame is to destabilize Iraq as a nation state and trigger its partition into three separate entities.
The broader US-NATO strategic objective is to destabilize the entire Middle East- North Africa -Central Asia -South Asia region, including Iran, Pakistan and India.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/going-after-the-islamic-state/5401439
Let’s try this again, folks. I think most non-trolls get it but maybe this can clarify things a bit more.
First, let’s subtract out religious faith — and with it, the word “believe”.
Now, for the rest of the natural world, there are facts, real things, about which we can know a little or a lot, depending on how we determine a) what they are; and b) the degree of certainty with which we can be sure we in fact know what they are. Sometimes that’s a lot, sometimes it’s less, but there’s a big difference between knowing you can be sure of something, as opposed to only kinda-sure. (And sometimes, kinda-sure is all you can get, but it’s really not the same thing.)
Next, there’s thinking about facts/data/evidence. You start with what you know and take it from there, sometimes well (bc everything really does fit together well and your thinking may explain other stuff also). And sometimes less well, maybe bc you need more data or maybe bc your thinking isn’t yet quite on target. Again, it helps to recognize that though. So you have hypotheses, educated guesses, opinions, or hunches — but no matter how much you *like* them, they’re still only as good as your data and your analysis and how well they’re supported.
Then there is the realm of feeling. We’ve all got ’em, we’ve all got our own ways of dealing with ’em and they interact with our thought processes all the time — thank God! But if you’re not aware of what they are and how they’re likely to affect your data collection and analysis, you’re quite likely to have a major conflated, confounded mess on your hands.
The problem in the US is that we’ve all been encouraged to blur these together and in the face of strong emotion — as occurred yesterday as well as a few other times I can remember — we can jump to conclusions, get bent out of shape, ad infinitum, and fall right into the trap the creeps are always, always setting for us.
And the only antidote I can see is to respect the depths of our emotions and take them quite seriously, but do our best to put them on hold a bit while we’re thinking things through.
Because, among other things — and this case is a perfect example of that — thinking things through and seeing things clearly (including Saker’s bolded words on that page) sure can help get one’s emotions back into a healthier, wait-and-see, perspective.
And thumbing your nose at those who are doing their best to keep you — oh, I can’t help it here, I’m thinking of that Glasgow tape — all bowed down to your Imperial Masters. ;~)
Saker, I have to agree with your critics here. Considering all the crazy disinformation and rumors that have flooded the “airwaves” about the Ukraine situation, you should not have even mentioned something so inflammatory and spurious, even in passing. Just to say “I wasn’t the first one” is no excuse. It brings down the level of your sight to the usual screaming-meemie hysteria.
mr Saker, I think the speech of mr Strelkov was indeed historically important. We will be referring to this for a long time to come.
Mr Strelkov seems to be a very common man in this video, not much ego, no hubris, just someone who is knowegledable and dedicated. I would probably not agree in a debate with many of his views (too conservative), but he seems to me a strong leader, a power for the good! Power to him!
About my country (Holland and the EU): many ordinary people are disgusted by the new round of sanctions. But most people are zombified. Time will tell.
It is beyond comprehension that Obama wants to violate Syrian airspace and intends to ally with the very sponsors of IS: KSA and Qatar, while the natural enemies: Assad Syria and Iran, who could at least contain IS are still being boycotted! I guess the old feuds, always fired up by the neocons and AIPAC, remain more important. One question remains: what has been the reason Maliki has been allowed to rule as long as he has?
He has been more than incompetent, in my opinion a strong factor initiating the IS problem and firing up the hopeless divisions in Iraq: has this been planned as well?
Congratulations Saker. You and your outstanding, prodigious blogging have been duly honoured indeed by the supreme, irrefutable award consisting of raging and fuming imbeciles in support and/or service of Western imperialism. If I were you, I would rejoice; just feel plain elated and, yes, revel and gloat in all their utter impotent, imbecilic drivel. It’s been an immense pleasure for me to watch the lies of the MSM Presstitutes being torn to pieces here.
Please forgive me for tossing in a little bit of self-promotion while we’re at it. I happily recommend the readership to pay just a one-time visit to Kim Zigfeld’s (soon defunct) lunatic site dyingrussia.wordpress.com and “see what I mean” :-)
Anunnaki,
Funny how you’re always attacking Putin…
Otoh, Libya was on Medvedev’s watch. I’m rather surprised you didn’t know that.
Anonymous 15:26,
That last paragraph of yours, while something we talk about all the time, is still chilling when put into historical context. It’s one thing to see this phenomenon, describe it and predict what is likely to occur, as opposed to reflecting on what did happen as a result of its previous occurrence.
Amber202,
Dry up, babe.
This isn’t the first time you’ve tried this game; it never did work and never will.
Bless your heart. ;~)
The Purpose of the Sanctions Is to Breakup Relations Between Europe and Russia.
The real danger to Russia is a continuation of its low-key, moderate response to the sanctions. This is a response that encourages more sanctions. To stop the sanctions,
Russia needs to show Europe that the sanctions have serious costs for Europe.
http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2014/09/13/purpose-sanctions-breakup-relations-between-europe-and-russia.html
Putin is too weak or works for the fith column(or hostage of them)
The material posted in this comment:
Anonymous said…13 September, 2014 13:56
Was copied directly from a commentary made by Anatoly El Murid here:
http://el-murid.livejournal.com/1994848.html (trans) http://translate.yandex.net/tr-url/ru-en.ru/el-murid.livejournal.com/1994848.html
The commenter posted excerpts from that commentary without attribution to ElMurid or any hint that they were quoting somebody else’s work.
вот так
Dear Saker
…And the last thing – don’t call me idiot !!!
13 September, 2014 05:34…
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Please never call anybody Idiot!
Read the book
How to win and influence people.
Long live MULTIPOLAR world.
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I’d suggest to avoid any “self-help” crap such as “How to win and influence people.”
These type of books are encouraging manipulation and dishonesty. I’d turn the mirror back at you and say: ‘Never be offended when somebody calls you an idiot”. Learning how to express your mind as you see it, is much more helpful than trying to hide your true feelings behind the norms of political correctness. Lack of sincerity – is exactly what is wrong with the western world; too many fake smiles followed by a fair amount of backstabbing. If somebody tells you in your face some unpleasant but truthful things, it might hurt at first but then you’re likely to learn something from it. The reason I come here to read The Saker’s stuff is precisely because I feel his truth and that is the most important thing to me.
As always Thank you Mr. Saker,
Your post on background behind the Russian hierarchy, and that of Mr. “Strelkov: from swimming with Piranhas to swimming with Great White Sharks,” is quite educative.
There is a group of individuals which have embarked on a campaign to slander and discredit me.
For the Truthtellers, demonizing/defamation. comes with the landscape. Just noise to be ignored. You are shining a light on the cockroaches.
The AngloZionists and AIs in Russia want it all and, with EUUSUK facing bankruptcy, depletion of their own resources, will do whatever it takes to capture Russia’s and the rest of the planet. I am confident they will hit the brick wall of the 11th Commandment: “The greedy shall not be fed.”
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What is put out for public consumption differs from AZ’s extend and pretend.
France’s suspension of delivery under the contract with Russia: Suspension of Contract, only a threat – France caves again.
the Mistral carrier Warship has departed for sea trials with 200 Russian sailors aboard.
PARIS, September 12 (RIA Novosti) – Russian sailors, who are currently training to crew Mistral-class helicopter carriers, built in France for the Russian Navy, will go to sea Saturday morning to take part in sea trials of the first ship ordered by Moscow, the Vladivostok, a source familiar with the situation told RIA Novosti.
“Yes, Vladivostok will indeed sail Saturday morning for tests. As far as I know, about 200 Russian sailors and the same number of French personnel will be on board,” the source said.
This is the first time the ship goes to the sea since the two crews of Russian sailors, a total of 400 people, arrived in the French town of Saint-Nazaire in June.
. . . . .
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However, economic war will continues. Stupidity of AngloZionists hastens the De-dollarization, SWIFT alternative, China-Russia alliance and the silk road. No turning back. On the sidelines observing, King dollar is dying, coffin being readied. NATO is a walking dead.
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Obozo wants his illegal war. What he could not do to Syria through the front door, he will do backdoor under pretext to defeat IS/Daash wherever found without the sovereigns’ consent.
Russia,
Turkey,, and
China said that “All anti-terrorism efforts in the area should be led by the UN.
Overnight, at the suggestion of France, Obozo has been checkmated:
Intl. Conference to deal with ISIS proposed
MOSCOW, September 13. /ITAR-TASS/.
Russia is studying France’s proposal to host an international conference on Iraq and considers it a timely step, the Foreign Ministry said on Saturday.
Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov will attend the conference to be held in Paris on September 15.
Attending the forum will also be the five permanent members of the U.N. Security Council, Iraq and its neighbours, as well as several other countries of the region, the United Nations and the League of Arab States, the ministry said.
The conference is called upon to “lay the groundwork for a broad consensus so that the international community could jointly provide assistance to the people and government of Iraq faced with an unprecedented security challenge from the radicals of the so-called Islamic State”.
(emphasis added)
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AM
The origin of Russia is not right Saker sorry:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varangians
The Varangians or Varyags (Old Norse: Væringjar; Greek: Βάραγγοι, Βαριάγοι, Varangoi, Variagoi) was the name given by Greeks and East Slavs to Vikings’
…
Under the leadership of Rurik’s relative Oleg, the Varangian Rus’ expanded southwards by capturing Kiev from the Khazars, founding the medieval state of Rus’.[8] Attracted by the riches of Constantinople and the Arab world, Varangians initiated a number of Rus’-Byzantine Wars, some of which resulted in advantageous trade treaties. Meanwhile, descendants of Rurik expanded the Russian state and unified the local tribes. Contact with the Byzantine Empire increased, culminating in the Christianization of Kievan Rus’ in 988, during the reign of Vladimir the Great.
Nicholas Roerich: Longships Are Built in the Land of the Slavs (1903)
As with the Norse influence in Normandy and the British Isles, Varangian culture did not survive in the East. Instead, the Varangian ruling classes of the two powerful city-states of Novgorod and Kiev were gradually slavicised by the end of the 11th century.[2
The Khazars are the [Ashenazi] Jews. Time to learn your history guys. Why did Lenin (Ashkenazi Jew) and his cotarie take such pleasure .
The original Norse aristocracy of England was Anglised Viking. For Rus, Slavised Viking. What this says is the Viking were not racial supremists like the leaders of the Ashkenazi Jews are.
We must as humanities representatives pull our Askenazi brothers down from the pedastal their psychopathic elite have put them on and embrace them as our equals (But not superiors) and live together peacefully. I am certain we have the capability to succeed.
Keep up the good fight Saker. We are with you. You bring much needed analysis and claeity to current events. I dont always agree with you, especially on the putin truce deal, but i completely respect your point of view. Dont worry about the trolls. Deleete their messages and focus on the good woek you do. They are paid nato trolls, the more successful you become the more money nato will dedicate to try and bring you down. Just be aware of it. But if you dont give them the time of day and just delete their gibberish, they will fade away on their own.
In the internet, we say, DONT FEED THE TROLLS
video of surviving ukies escaping the cauldron
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=202FZNVn53I
To the comments over running the Strelkov rumors. That was a mistake.
Now that this blog is high profile as a source of alternate news info as opposed to the Fascists/corporatist cheerleaders in the media who are agents for war just like Nuland, Psaki, Harf your credibility is a threat to the consensus that Putin must be stopped like Bin Laden, Khadaffy etc
You have to decide if you are a news aggregator, commentator or gossip site
Your commentary on both events on the ground and how others comment on those same events is superlative. Leave the rumors to others.
You don’t want to be diminished as a 9/11 truther conspiracist . That’s how the corporate media maintains their advantage.
Ukraine and Gaza this summer has stripped the veil about the corporate media uni polarity as they foam the runway for war in Syria against Assad (collaborating with ISIS) and Russia over Ukraine
Thousand of us have abandoned “them” for you. As others come to you (I found you via Firedoglake) it he Vineyard engages in gossipy rumor milling, it detracts from your superb analysis
When I read that Strelkov had hanged himself I immediately went to Col. cassad for confirmation
Long story short: do you have the time and resources to “break”news while still focusing on commentary?
Tipsters can be trolls meant to take your reputation down the drain
Btw – latest comments at Moonofalabama have pegged you as a Monarchist
So I see your enemies as jealous
“Andreas Walsh said…
Saker, I have to agree with your critics here. Considering all the crazy disinformation and rumors that have flooded the “airwaves” about the Ukraine situation, you should not have even mentioned something so inflammatory and spurious, even in passing. Just to say “I wasn’t the first one” is no excuse. It brings down the level of your sight to the usual screaming-meemie hysteria”
well, I have to agree too… anyway, this episode will not overshadow the brilliance of your work … move on!
According the comments in MSM, the opinion in the Netherlands swings in favour of Russia.
In this article, titled “Putin wants to demolish Ukraine”, about 90% of the comments are against Jatsenjuk and for Russia.
http://www.telegraaf.nl/buitenland/23076197/___Poetin_wil_Oekraine_slopen___.html
It seems that the MSM have lost the propaganda war.
1.Saddam
2. Khadaffy
3. Bin Laden*
4. Chavez (cancer, yeah right)
5. Assad
6. Putin
*Bin Laden died of renal failure Dec. 2001, but for the sake of making a point
Obama/Kerry are engaging in mass sanctions in the hope the Russian oligarchs do the necessary “wet work” required of preserving the New World Order
There’s something I’m seeing a lot lately that I’d like to ask about, and that is the Red-White Divide. In some ways it seems to be related to our Culture Wars here, in that it’s a continuation of old issues held quite dear for a variety of reasons. But the world, in both cases, has changed so much and not only can you not *really* go back to the exact same sets of cultural assumptions that prevailed back then, really, who’d want to? There’s too much, both good and bad, that has happened since, so that even if you do strongly believe in various aspects of one side or approach vs. the other, you’re not going to take all of it, 100%: there’ll still be stuff you’ll add and subtract, no?
So my first question is whether I got that part right. And then my second question is whether it’s really worth it to even use those old labels since the wine going into the bottles is at least partly new and maybe deserves new bottles and labels of its own.
Nora, your posts are always readable and thought provoking, thank you. With apologies, I’ll return to a comment you made on a previous one, with which I both agree and disagree ;)
You said:
“…Russians aren’t merely “a bit” too subtle for westerners — they’re totally beyond our ken. We deal in cartoon characters and generally don’t know what we’re talking about. Nor have we much desire to learn…”
I strongly agree that western dialectic has become so estranged from the truth that as Dostoievski would describe it, we westerners have been torn away from “the heart of the whole” by some kind of flooding wind.
I do however think and feel that this is and will increasingly be a temporary condition, and that the heart of the whole only needs to be encountered by each of us, because the capacity to understand and embrace it is within us all.
For, look at me! I was raised in the antipodes, as far from the heart of the whole as it might be considered geographically possible. Yet, after many adventures in all the philosophies and attractions the world has to offer, I came home. And I say home, because I don’t feel I ‘converted’ but rather that this is whom I have always been.
@ the Indian guy.I presume you are from the sub-continent.Well,I suggest you look up the Pilgrim Society.They make the Bilderbergs look like clerks.Check out Charles Savoie and his years of tireless study on the subject.
*Mohamed,if V.V.Putin and Oblooma are hand in hand as you suggest,then you can measure me for a wooden overcoat today.
*Had to chortle at the girls gently stuffing Amber head first down the toilet.Sorry mate,you asked for it.
Happy days.soon?
XbNB
Warning to Saker.
If you continue like this, nobody will take you serious.
Even being anonyme, you behave like some proud sensitive child.
With such ‘friends’ Putin needs no enemies.
Dammit I really don’t get why so many people want to set rules about what can or cannot be posted on this site. Saker has created a meeting room where we can listen, think and talk. I think it’s legit to mention In this room that there is an unsubstantiated rumour of serious consequence going around and to not believe it. This site assumes we are adults and I suggest we start behaving that way. To believe Saker has promoted a rumour by mentioning it and therefore has played into the hands of the AngloZionist NATO Poroshenko psyops is neurotic and immature. If we have learned anything here, it should be that Saker waits for facts to emerge, and everything is based on a consideration of those facts. Get a grip.
World Bank sub-prime lending
http://johnhelmer.net/?p=11338#more-11338
@ Amber 202 13 September, 2014 13:34
That is some public whipping from a very high stool.
FFS, I cringed at ever word you wrote!
Unless you are the newly appointed media police. This blog is owned by Mr. Saker, so How dare you? So unbecoming of even the most rigid disciplinarian.
How long should Mr. Saker be grounded or, will he be taken to the woodshed with a 2 x 4?
Chill.
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AM
DSK is going to work for Putin
http://www.leparisien.fr/international/poutine-compterait-sur-dsk-pour-defendre-les-interets-de-la-russie-12-09-2014-4129959.php
This stuff happens all the time and is part of living in a world with idiots, trolls, idelogues, dysinformationalists, half-asleep zombies, and the linguistically and logically impaired.
Saker… a doctorate in math? No wonder you get frustrated and shocked by the stupidity of so many who can’t add 1 and 1 and get 2. You have to look at this almost clinically, like a psychiatrist looks at the delusions of psychopaths — which many people actually are. What they say and think often has no relation to ordinary reality, much anything ‘scientific’ or with intellectual validity.
The ‘news’, of course, was not that Strelkov was dead (which he was not, again), but that there was the rumor he was (again). Part dysinformation, part idiocy, and part wishful thinking.
Line of blather in the telephone game:
Idiot 1: Stelkov opened a new bottle of vodka; he probably got drunk and was hung over today.
Troll 1: Strelkov was hung over.
Trollup 1: (trollup is a female troll). Well, he must be well hung.
Trollup 2: Yes, Strelkov is hung.
Spook1: Strelkov was hanged.
Idiot 1 & Troll 2: Strelkov was found hung. He is dead. Good riddance.
“News Reporter’ Fool 1: I heard Strelkov was dead — hanged.
Dysinformation News Guy: Strelkov was found hanged, and is dead.
…and so on and so on….
The garbage just grows as it spreads, like a slime mold, feeding on fear, hate, greed, and imperialist and fascist ideology, as well as the common hunger for sensationalism, confirmation bias, fondness for gossip, cognitive impairment, neurosis, and undisciplined emotional reaction.
People hear what they want to hear, or are afraid to hear, and then pass it on, trying to keep their egos and world views intact. Don’t expect it to make good sense.
“She’s a witch. She turned me into a newt. …. Well, I got better.”
Monty Python (search for the Holy Grail) had it nailed.
There is nothing which can be said that can’t be misheard or misunderstood by fools. That’s why propaganda is repeated over, and over, and over — to train the fools in the message by rote.
__Blue
This was posted on the Truth About In Situation in Ukraine (Facebook). Do not know the truth behind the article, but you may wish to be informed:
POROSHENKO BURNS UKRAINIAN SOLDIERS IN GERMAN CREMATORIUMS
This letter originally appeared on Oleg Liashko’s official website of his Radical Party, which was down recently http://rpl.kiev.ua/category/novyny/
“Poroshenko burns Ukrainian soldiers in German crematoriums, additional losses are 8,000 ATO fighters” — Oleg Lyashko.
The leader of the Radical Party, Oleg Lyashko, wrote a public statement, in which he accused the President of Ukraine and the Minister of Defence of crimes against their own soldiers.
“Poroshenko and Geletei are blatantly lying, concealing over 8,000 of our losses in ATO! These guys gave their lives for them, for our country, for its people. But they and their families eceived no gratitude or respect from our leadership. Moreover, it turns out that Poroshenko burns our heroes, like dogs, in German crematoriums!
I got a picture from a reconnaissance satellite, on which you can clearly see a field crematorium near the military hospital in the zone of ATO near Novoaidar. As I was told, the crematorium was handed from Germany. Why? What is it doing in the ATO? How many of our guys went to heaven through this German pipe?
I and my party are demanding:
1) Immediately shot down the crematorium and return the bodies of the soldiers to their families;
2) President must immediately explain the situation and apologize to the families of the victims;
3) To the families of the victims of the military must be given all the awards, all monetary payments. The President must promise to take it under his personal control;
4) The Ministry of Defence should give a real figure of our losses. We have the right to know the name of every hero!
5) To dismiss Defense Minister Geletey.
Oleg Lyashko, MP, leader of the Radical Party.
via etoonda.livejournal.com
(Kristina)
http://dnr-news.com/stati/3623-poroshenko-szhigaet-ukrainskih-soldat-v-nemeckih-krematoriyah.html
Nora said…
Anunnaki,
Funny how you’re always attacking Putin…
Otoh, Libya was on Medvedev’s watch. I’m rather surprised you didn’t know
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Nora:
I most certainly am not always attacking Putin, that is a red herring and very selective insight on my comment history here at the Vineyard. Shame on you!
When he has been brilliant I have been among the first to call him out on it. The food sanctions counter was brilliant and I said as much on this and other forums
And how naive to think that Medvedev was making that decision in a vacuum. It was a move Against Khadaffy who wanted to move away from selling oil in dollars so like Saddam he was killed. Russian Atlanticists stood aside and let it happen. Putin wouldn’t have intervened to stop it either
Why don’t you address my commentary instead of an ad hominem attack on me and my motives? You do that quite frequently with other posters who dare to critique the “norms” here. Amber in this thread for example
How am I wrong that Putin is not an Atlanticist? Where am I wrong in my believe that Putin will do anything to maintain a United Ukraine, even if it means negotiating with Uki oligarchs and Nazis against the interests of the Donbass Russians
What do I think of Putin: he won’t let the NR go down to ignominious defeat but he won’t let them win outright independence either. And I think and said all along he should have insisted on a Western style no fly zone to protect against civilian bombing back in late May
and that means limiting the advance of an independent Novorossiyan entity from Kharkov to Odessa, which would make a great pipeline potential? He wants that gas flowing through EU nations. No one in Europe will freeze this winter. He has said he will honor existing contracts like the Atlanticist he is and wants to be
Instead of just chiming in from the peanut gallery whenever somebody dares to question the motives of Putin (or Saker) for that matter why don’t you dispense with the playground taunts and counter with your own insights
Without a scintilla of doubt I am 100% on the side of the Novorossiyans against Ukrainian fascists and their Anglo Zionist sponsors
And I want an independent Novorossiya led by righteous people like Strelkov and Mozgovoi. Staying in Ukraine means living in a Uniat Moskal hating oligarchic kleptocracy
And I believe the ceasefire was a Judas move that was rewarded with sanctions irregardless. Putin is naive to think otherwise. 100% sanctions against Russia is the end game for NATO esp. Since he plucked Crimea out from under them so deftly
Doesn’t mean I am a Putin basher but I am also not a Putin acolyte
I am sure when he makes his next chess Move on counter sanctions I will be among the first to say bravo
Like Amber said, I don’t want to get into fights with fellow commentators to derail threads but your chastisement of me was bullying and you should reflect on how you do that to myself and others on this blog
For that matter: I also know that you are 100% devoted to the cause of the multi polar inclusive word and you bleed for the Novorossiyans as I and the non trolls do here at the Vineyard
Regards
Anunnaki
Just out of curiosity, does anyone know who Empire has picked for the compliant ‘vodka vassal’ to replace Putin in their desired regime change adventurism?
Any suggestions for a ‘Yeltsin’ (Борис Ельцин) look-and-act-alike?
[eng subs] Interview with Igor Strelkov 11/09/14 PART ONE
http://youtu.be/spsyRowWmbE
[eng subs] Interview with Igor Strelkov 11/09/14 PART TWO
http://youtu.be/6k3mRB6BN30
http://cryptome.org/2014/09/vor-liquidation.htm
Interesting on the take over of VOR
Hi, Saker, you might be interested to know the Strelkov rumor page is still up.
NATO Eyes Transnistria.
http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2014/09/14/nato-eyes-transnistria.html
Kiev’s War Crime: Avakov’s FB Angry Outburst and the Case of Suddenly Missing 200 Prisoners of War in the Hands of the Kiev Junta
On September 13, sources from the Army of Novorossiya announced the following:
“The prisoners exchange has stalled due to the fact that during a (new) registration of the cellars of the Ukrainian Secret Service (SBU) and cages of all sorts of Naz-battalions, a large number of people from the official lists submitted [by the Kiev regime] to the authorities of Novorossiya have not been found. SBU, covering their eyes, reported to the negotiators that ‘these people are no longer in their hands.’ In reality, this means that they are after being captured, these people died from the beatings or were executed. Naz-battalions [which are commanded by Arsen Avakov, Kiev’s minister of interior] have especially distinguished themselves in the killings of prisoners. These Naz-battalions practice widespread torture and extrajudicial executions of prisoners and suspected supporters of the militias [of Novorosssiya]. Now in Kiev they are trying to find a quick way of how to wriggle out of this situation. One ‘option,’ which they are considering, is to declare that the disappeared POWs ‘escaped from captivity.’ The other option under review is to announce that these vanished POWs ‘repented and refused to return.’ It is reported that we are talking here of at least two hundred people.”
http://vladimirsuchan.blogspot.be/2014/09/kievs-war-crime-avakovs-fb-angry.html?spref=fb
Anonymous 17:37
What do you mean gently? ;~)
Anonymous 18:14,
Looks to me like there are two types of folks still chastising Saker: those who believe the trauma of having misread him can cause lasting wounds and those who believe they’re entitled to tell our gracious host what and what not to do.
Nope, scratch that: they’re one and the same. ;~)
Anunnaki,
Actually, I did address your words, far more precisely than you are right now.
Your words blamed Putin for what Medvedev did. At least have the courage to stick to them.
Calling me naive then accusing me of ad hominem attacks (pls. look up proper definition) is really adorable. Saying “Putin wouldn’t have intervened to stop it” is something which a) *only* VVP can state for sure and b) neither addresses nor negates your earlier statement. Then sliding into that “Atlanticist” business (huh?) is a straw man — pls. look that up too. Okay, that’s three standard tricks from the handbook — we’ve all seen them about a billion times before and frankly, I’m getting bored.
You just outed yourself as a troll dear. I didn’t. Better luck next time. Oh, and do look up Amber: you two should get along just beautifully.
dear saker,
I am one of the gay guys from germany following you and often not agreeing w/ some posts and/or your views. However: it is important that you continue to do your work. even if I might boldy disagree w/ you. the world needs ppl to speak up – even thou they might be wrong.
Be aware: once you are not any longer below the radar with your blog: you will be a target for many guys that would love to be as important as you are right now. and you will be a target for all kind of secret services guys west and east.
again – from a political pov – we are no allies or friends – but this is to express respect of what ones does – during a time were most people are just cowards. and from my pov that is the main problem: people still do not speak up!
I am deeply a friend of some aspects of american culture and I am so thankful that they liberated us culturally from the old germany. same time they are dying right now too.
so where to go? its all very confusing but we are in a process of finding out.
as old mr. spock once said: the odds might be even
@gay guy from germany:I am one of the gay guys from germany following you and often not agreeing w/ some posts and/or your views
Good! Frankly, I don’t think that any of my readers agree with everything I write here, even those that I consider friends. I think that accepting difference, even strong ones, is CRUCIAL for a truly free exchange of opinions. Accepting our differences but keeping in mind our common stance (even if only temporarily and for one or a few issues) is how we can oppose a common oppressor. Of course, just being “against” something is not good enough (that was the big mistake of the White Army during the Russian civil war), but we can also easily see what we can be “for” together: first and foremost, respect for the truth and for the right of each person to live according to his/her conscience, a strong love for freedom, and a rejection of violence. That might seem little, but that is already a lot, especially if behind the words there is a true commitment.
I am happy to say that some of my readers are paleo-conservatives while others are Communists and Socialists. I have at least one very friendly and softly spoken Zionist from Israel who writes to me even though he knows I fully support Hezbollah. I have Shia and Sunni Muslims writing for this blog, including one Salafi Imam, and yet they know I am a Christian. I even had a bona fide Nazi friend in the past (he now passed away, God rest his soul). Some of my readers are Trotskysts, and they seem to put-up with my anti-Trotskism just fine: they disagree but they don’t hate me for it. And the single most important thing in all this, at least for me, is the total absence of a pressure to give up on principles and moral/ethical values. That is the *REAL* diversity which ideologically-blinded fanatics simply cannot comprehend or even imagine. You say that you are a homosexual from Germany (sorry, I do not use the loaded word “gay”) and my reply is: welcome! Welcome to a diverse community in which your views will be one amongst many different ones, a community which is fed up with empty fight and useless hostility, where disagreements are openly voiced and accepted as natural.
So yes, you and I probably plenty of things we can disagree on and, as you correctly point out, any of us might be wrong (I know that I have a proven record of repetitively being wrong on many issues!). But if we can find a refuge here from those who are never wrong and those who all think alike, then this is a good thing for us all :-))
Kindest regards,
The Saker
POW’s part two:
You might also have noticed that one of the replies to Avakov’s postings says: “Give me a machine gun, the address of the court and the name of the judges!” This response received over 260 likes.
So what we have here is the case of 200 PWOs whose existence was officially confirmed by Kiev and who are suddenly gone, and literally less than a day before this happening, we have a public statement by Avakov himself who is venting his anger that such prisoners ought to be released live ever again.
In the face of these very strong indications of a committed war crime and a public avowal of motive and attitude toward these POWs in the form of an angry outburst of Ukrainian Interior Minister Arsen Avakov, we have here compelling reasons for demanding an immediate investigation for a possible war crime committed by the Kiev junta right in front of the eyes of the international community. Here it would be advisable for Russia and Novorossiya to start this investigation immediately. OSCE can be and should be invited, but the investigation and unveiling of the crime should not be made dependent on OSCE willingness and ability to help.
In this connection let’s recall another Avakov’s recent public confession from a week ago or so. In an interview with local TV channel, Avakov said that, if I knew how events will unfold in the South-East of Ukraine, he would have blown up the building of the Donetsk administration along with the supporters of federalization inside. “It would be a sad, bloody page. There would be 50 people have died, for example, the terrorists who seized the building. The building would have collapsed. But thousands of its inhabitants in the Donbass and would be safe,” said Avakov in an interview to a Ukrainian national TV.
God bless Strelkov, Zakharchenko, Mozgovoi and Putin. Hopefully Putin is the real deal because I know the other three men are. If only America had brave men like Strelkov, Zakharchenko and Mozgovoi.
Hopefully these men will bring more good things for Russia, NovoRussia, Donetsk and even the Ukraine. BTW – I am an american and our criminal leaders sicken me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VJLESKvBU4
Could it be that the downing of the MH17 were a punishment aka threat aka sanctions for both Maleysia and the Netherlands too?
“In Kuala Lumpur, after two years of investigation by the Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Commission (KLWCC), a tribunal (the Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Tribunal, or KLWCT) consisting of five judges with judicial and academic backgrounds reached a unanimous verdict that found George W Bush and Tony Blair guilty of crimes against peace, crimes against humanity, and genocide as a result of their roles in the Iraq War.
The proceedings took place over a four-day period from November 19-22, and included an opportunity for court-appointed defense counsel to offer the tribunal arguments and evidence on behalf of the absent defendants. They had been invited to offer their own defense or send a representative, but declined to do so. The prosecution team was headed by two prominent legal personalities with strong professional legal credentials: Gurdeal Singh Nijar and Francis Boyle. The verdict issued on November 22, 2011 happens to coincide with the 48th anniversary of the assassination of John F Kennedy.”
“Mahathir stated clearly on that occasion that his intention in criminalising the behavior of aggressive warmaking and crimes against humanity was to bring relief to victimised peoples – with special reference to the Iraqis, who were about to be attacked a few weeks later; and the Palestinians, who had long endured mass dispossession and an oppressive occupation. This dedication of Mahathir to a world without war was reaffirmed through the establishment of the Kuala Lumpur Foundation to Criminalise War, and his inaugural speech opening a Criminalising War Conference on October 28, 2009.
On February 13, 2007 Mahathir called on the KLWCC to prepare a case against Bush and Blair, whom he held responsible for waging aggressive warfare against Iraq. Mahathir, an outspoken critic of the Iraq War and its aftermath, argued at the time that there existed a need for an alternative judicial forum to the ICC, which was unwilling to indict Western leaders. Mahathir was in effect insisting that no leader should any longer be able to escape accountability for such crimes against nations and peoples. He acknowledged with savage irony the limits of his proposed initiative: “We cannot arrest them, we cannot detain them, and we cannot hang them the way they hanged Saddam Hussein.” Mahathir also contended that, “The one punishment that most leaders are afraid of is to go down in history with a certain label attached to them … In history books they should be written down as war criminals and this is the kind of punishment we can make to them”.”
Read the article here:
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2011/11/20111128105712109215.html
And consider this:
US opposition to the international court:
https://www.globalpolicy.org/us-un-and-international-law-8-24/us-opposition-to-the-icc-8-29.html
” A Bill, To provide that the International Criminal Court is not valid with respect to the United States” (known as the Hague Invasion Act)
http://investmentwatchblog.com/usa-opens-door-to-invasion-of-netherlands/
Dear Saker, re the unfortunate rumor on crimelist.ru about Strelkov’s “suicide”, I did some looking up for you on Whois. CrimelistRu is based in Rumania http://whois.domaintools.com/crimelist.ru and has the following websites on the same server:
1. crimelist.ru
2. globali.st
3. globalist.org.ua
which might be described as anti-Russian, also one of them seems to be about Konstantin Kondrakov, the “asset manager” and CIS Forex trader in Kiev. Wouldn’t be surprised if he’s behind it.
Around the 9/11 events I used to look up the Whois records of so-called “Jihadi” Al-Qaeda websites and they all seemed based in Hollywood or Plano, Texas, LOL.
I really would have checked before publishing that rumor. To be fair to you, it wasn’t intentional, and you DID say it wasn’t confirmed. I saw that, but clearly, a number of your readers didn’t.
Hm. This seems a bit of tempest in teapot and exhausting. In retrospect I think it may have been helpful (for me) because that press conference struck me to the core for the sheer courage and integrity of the man; splash of cold water said one; I love him, I love him said another; to both I concur, feeling in the moment the rarity of said qualities at home (USA)so subtly devastating to human being. Immediately I feared for him. And then OMG this…what(?)now. But one thing for sure I would not have re-posted it. Instead I said my prayer and girded for the unknown, rather lamely I fear. What goes around comes around. I recall that once upon a time Iraq was a capital of the book publishing industry for the Arab world. A large and educated middle class; Lawyers, doctors, engineers, university professors. Not no more. Not collateral damage either. This country has been, may be taken down too. I worry about the experience of Anonymous @ 15:26 with son in law; so familiar, so typical. Such exquisite compartmentalization. I could care if Strelkov is red or white. He is a radically endangered species. May a great spirit bless and keep him.
The Purge is coming. Evgeny Fedorov (Sep 3) (44:56)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qLMG0KD3rI
From Niqnaq
http://niqnaq.wordpress.com/2014/09/13/fedorov-with-full-transcript/
Full transcript can be found there. Too big to post here.
Synopsis (with timing markers):
A psychological shift has begun in Russia, where the visible catalyst has been the war in Donbass, explains Evgeny Fedorov, a Deputy in the Russian Parliament. Within the ruling political and business elite a split has appeared, where some, by their basic survival instinct, have chosen to support Putin’s path of national sovereignty, while the others are expected to either join them or be purged (13:54). The mass media, on the other hand, is working against the nation (11:13), he claims. In detail:
The real reason why Igor Strelkov resigned from his position as Defense Minister of the Donetsk People’s Republic (04:05) and why national structures have not formed in Donbass, despite their declarations of sovereignty in May 2014 (01:21).
Legislation is being prepared for ‘mandatory de-offshoring’ of supposedly Russian corporations, 3/4 of which have a complex foreign ownership structure (23:13). Non-compliance will mean asset seizure.
Other essential and inevitable measures include nationalization of the Central Bank (28:34), breaking the tributary link with foreign central banks, and lowering interest rates to facilitate industrialization and job-creation.
The liberation movement is publishing a kind of “5th column assessment card”, a formula by which anyone’s actions and position can be assessed objectively (18:27 & 43:57).
While the technology of Orange Revolution against Russia is stuttering, Fedorov warns of the consequences of visible NATO troops in Ukraine (39:32), even if ostensibly only for ‘exercises’: the point of no return is passed and increasingly visible pressure upon Russia to surrender and be subordinated is now having the opposite effect – strengthening support for sovereignty.
The spiritual reason why a series of attempts by the West to conquer Russia have failed, including 200 and 400 years ago (35:45).
from Syncretic Studies (July):
At the end of the day, when covert and proxy support through Russian use of the arab spring/color revolution (combined) tactic reaches full crescendo, it will have been seamless. We will be confronted with many months of propaganda from pro-Russian/pro-Novorossiyan activists and journalist bloggers saying nearly uniformly that Russia did not get involved, and berating the Russian state and Putin for not assisting.
Then the final ‘victory’ of the nationalist and socialist revolution in the east of Ukraine, resulting not in federation of Ukraine but in recognition of a new state, will be presented to history as a self-determined act made possible not by invasion, intrigue, or occupation by Russia, but rather by the self-organization and sacrifice of a beleaguered NM David in the face of the KJ-NATO Goliath. This is how it must be both recorded and realized to be legitimate not only tomorrow, but in the following decades and centuries. History must remember it this way.
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To achieve this result will take years, maybe decades. The socialist component of the revolution must come from within, with a minimum of Russian state assistance, an internal matter of the Russian and Ukrainian people – and the legacy of the Soviet people – and the international antifascist resistance. It would be better to accept help from Cuba, Nicaragua and China in the near future.
The only thing that can stop Novorussia is if the USA drops the bomb.
As I mentioned in a previous post, the triangulation process of determining the credibility of information, must be approached in an interdisciplinary manner. The same sentiments are expressed by Joaquin Flores in his article titled, Understanding the Astounding Novorossiyan Victories. Flores writes:
It is clear that the methods of propaganda and messaging are decipherable, and can be understood by the attentive analyst. It is not necessary to remain neutral about the desired outcome for this conflict, but it is necessary to remain objective in analyzing and reporting on the developments. If many sympathetic to the Novorossiyan initiative were unnecessarily pessimistic about the developments, this may be in part because they listened to Eurasian and NATO propaganda which, for differing reasons, both exaggerated the extent of Novorossiyan losses. Social psychology, classical military strategy, criminology, textual induction and inference of media, and game theory in the field of Geopolitics and International Relations can be formed into a larger syncretic field which is interdisciplinary in nature and provides a good framework for understanding complex phenomenon such as the war in Ukraine and Novorossiya.
Without a doubt, understanding the differences between 3GW and 4GW disciplines and their propaganda methods being used; by whom, in what context, what medium, in relation to that specific time and place would provide a more substantial ground from which to view any information. We immediately smell it for freshness, and make estimations as to which way the wind is blowing.
Determining the information source is critical. For example, if it is from the “limited hangout operation” WikiLeaks, then you will be able to process the information in terms of the empires Simulacrum.
In another article titled, Ukraine & Novorossiya: There Never Was A Ceasefire by Joaquin Flores, he mentions that the source of information must be viewed in context to the profession of the initiator of the “news” in context to where were they educated. For example, many are taught in western universities that empires just happen Willy Nilly, and thus the underlying interpretation of current events are void of intentionality by said western trained scholars. This is called the stochastic myth, which is deconstructed by Dr. Michael Parenti. Flores writes:
In disputing the stochastic myth, we might look at questions like who benefited from it (cui bono), who was able to make a plan, and who had a history of making plans, and who had access to executing plans. That intersection point on the Venn diagram is a good indicator of your culprit.