Dear friends,
Some of you may have noticed that a few comments have been posted here accusing me of spreading the rumor of Strelkov’s death. The same nonsense has also been posted elsewhere on the Internet.
Just to make things clear, I was told about these rumors this morning from several readers. I replied to them that I did not believe that this was true. The origin of these rumors might be this:
http://crimelist.ru/archives/49674-kriminalnaya-hronika-rossii
Just in case somebody removes this page, here it is:
Apparently, Wikipedia also picked up this story.
You can check for yourself what I actually posted here.
For the life of me I cannot imagine how anybody mentally sane could take a paragraph containing the following and conclude that I was announcing Strelkov’s death (emphasis added)
While I cannot prove a negative, so far NOT A SINGLE RUSSIAN OR NOVORUSSIAN SOURCE HAS CONFIRMED THIS including his friend el-Miurid. So I suggest that we take a deep breath, say a prayer, and wait before coming to conclusions.
Maybe a drooling idiot can, but not somebody mentally normal. Alas, it appears that drooling idiots are the least of my problems.
I am sorry to announce that I have come to the conclusion that the people “systematically misunderstanding” what I write here are neither idiots nor trolls. There is a group of individuals which have embarked on a campaign to slander and discredit me. If they only called me names, that would not be too bad, the problem is that they systematically distort what I actually write here and “creatively re-interpret” it in order to make me say things I never said. The example with the Strelkov death rumor is just the latest example of that. Then, when I prove that they twisted and misrepresented what I actually said, they say that I changed my tune and that I am a liar. Lately, they have also been hinting at some dark nefarious “agenda” of mine (-: I suppose that Wikipedia is on it too, that we are all part of the same conspiracy :-)
I suppose that this was to be expected and that the success of this blog and the community around it is making some circles very angry, though dumb jealously might also play a role.
My warning to you all, my friends and readers, to be aware of this campaign to slander and discredit me comes with a request. If tomorrow you read that I said X, Y or Z – please come back here and carefully check what I did or did not say.
My second warning is that I will not answer any strawman posts or comments. If some folks cannot read what it actually says, they need to learn that skill before reading this blog. As for those who deliberately try to twist my words, I have nothing to say to them anyway.
I am sorry to have to bring up this distasteful matter, but this latest nonsense about me spreading rumors about Strelkov’s alleged suicide is really to disgusting and too toxic to ignore.
Kind regards to all,
The Saker
juliana,
I am soooo wanting you to be right in thinking our zombification is temporary — but how does a person reconnect/reinvigorate literally atrophied neuronal pathways when they won’t lift a finger to make the effort? I’m finding that truly frightening, for real, bc if they won’t do it under calm circumstances, well, look at the tempest in a teacup here yesterday — a perfect example bc people who were genuinely upset then had their emotions manipulated by the usual suspects for the usual reasons.
And here’s another thing that really has me scared, bc I’m not sure human beings ever before gave so little genuine thought to what was going on around them. You don’t need education to be aware of your surroundings and plenty of earlier generations didn’t have much at all, but that doesn’t mean they were necessarily easily-led. People travelled for days, for example, to attend the Lincoln-Douglas debates, and listened to these guys For. Six. Hours. Straight. Now we’ve got people who jump to conclusions after reading just a couple of words, but here’s the deal: how are they going to teach their kids to do any better, especially if they don’t even realize how poorly they themselves are functioning?
And it’s not the least bit fair, or appropriate, to use you as an example, bc you are grounded by your Orthdox faith — which I do see as part of the solution. No?
Zombification? I see them every where, heads bowed in rapt attention, faces glowing with the reflected artificial light of their little operant conditioning devices, immersed in their artificial reality, incognisant of people in their vicinity, or the time of day, or whether it will rain soon, or what the current phase of the moon is, or whether a jabberwocky is about to gobble them…
De-zombification: dump the iZomby devices. Go back in time, to when people didn’t have their own personal nanny-minder operant conditioning devices, that track their every move, and log their every call, and every on-line view and activity…
“Go back in time?” they ask, “don’t be delusional.” Well there it is. People don’t want to escape their traps.
438You are being targeted by hostile state sponsored psy-ops agents. They are being paid to disrupt and discredit you because you are influential but not on their side. Opposition is not tolerated. They could be employed by Ukraine, U.S. Israel, etc. Dissent is not allowed. There are legions of them operating all over the internet in the US. The site Zerohedge is continually under attack in its comments section. Their intent is to disrupt or totally derail serious discussion in your sites comments section and undermine your credibility in countless overt and subtle ways. You are doing a fantastic job, and by doing so earned the wrath of the evil ones.
@ Annunaki you said
“How can Greece betray their a Orthodox brothers while their unemployment rate is more than one in four”
The Greeks have not , but the so called Greek-POLITICIANS have betrayed the Greeks and their aspirations.
THE GREEKS ARE UNDER OCCUPATION, with Gaulaters and the whole shebang we are resisting but you will not hear it anywhere. There was a poll how unhappy the populations of countries were, I will give you two results 1st in line the Greeks with 95% unhappy and the ukrainians down the line with 80%. That shows you that the Greeks know it but have not found the formula out yet, WE had Civil War yes by the same perpetrators back in 1944-46 and 1947-49, so doing it again is not wise plus we haven’t got a TARGET yet.Apart from ALL THE POLITICIANS IN THE PARLIAMENT plus the So-called President who is an old “Λαμογιο” meaning thieving and cheating.
Amber @ 15:27
You were and are presumptuous.
That is a precise description of your tone.
You are out of line addressing the host of this blog and also a longtime contributor to it in such an unseemly fashion.
Katherine
When disinformation is vectored to the target, it is not only necessary to ascertain the source of the information, but to observe the individuals who vector the material created by the source.
In this case, examine the subsequent posts of the vectors and observe for effort to deflect responsibility for the ruckus onto those who were emotionally or intellectually ignited by the disinformation.
Of course, it can be a case of a useful idiot passing on the pathogen, thereby distracting the mental attention of hundreds of reader’s from Strelkov’s declaration of war on the Russian liberal fifth column. The value of the Strelkov interview was compromised by vectoring a phrase, “Strelkov is dead!”
Unfortunately human attention is easily manipulated by key emotive phrases as is known by magicians, story tellers, politicians, advertisers, and psychological war specialists.
Yes…We have a vector for you said life to man. I want to note my appreciation of Saker’s view that Strelkov is a tragic figure. He is a tragic figure as a warrior willing to sacrifice ‘his goals’ for the greater good of the Russian Narod.
Perhaps, these men are conscious of their fate once the battle is joined, in which case they may not be tragic but truly heroic men giving their lives for their people and God.
Strelkov and Putin have taken on archetypal roles in the world wide battle against the master/slave caste which bedevils man’s potential evolution. I want to thank our gracious host for the opportunity to comment these momentous affairs.
May God Have Mercy On Us All…
Video on youtube posted today with Strelkov. Published on 13 Sep 2014
Спасибо телеканалу Царь Град за предоставленное видео
для нашего канала NEWS О САМОМ ГЛАВНОМ
no English-Can anyone tell if it is valid?
@ Katherine,
I’ve said my piece, I have no interest in dragging this on further. Let’s move on now shall we?
Amber202
jo6pac said…13 September, 2014 20:55
“Interesting on the take over of VOR”
From that “interesting” report on VoR:
“…a reduction in reporting NATO stories, and also no questions about 9-11 or American neo-conservatives.”
I’ve been a regular reader of their website for a number of years now and that is flat out bullshit. They often took after neocons and did report on 9/11 news and theories and often on NATO. A lot of that “report” reads like the rubbish one finds on things like debka and I think much of it is exaggeration and simply made up BS. IE: false “opposition” psyops material. What I would expect to find at cryptome about something Russian/Soviet. VoR, if anything, didn’t become more pro-American/west, as time progressed, but more critical instead, and with a wider scope of pov in the criticism.
The portrayal RIAN being 5th column I would agree with, though. Of the 3 English language government funded news sources, VoR, RT and RIAN, RIAN was by far the most west and zio friendly. Since the merger, RIAN is no longer as obviously 5th element and are more like RT in the way they present news.
BTW, cryptome is not what they present themselves as. The owner is an old time cold warrior type in pov. When Litvenenko was poisoned, they presented the “Russians did it” propaganda, just like the rest of the front sites in the west who pretend to be opposition. As for “leaks” to the site, it’s main reason for existence supposedly, there is precious little there that could be considered “threatening” to the ZPC/NWO establishment, and what there is probably only for the standard routine of credibility enhancing of a spook disinfo front.
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Dear Saker:
Many thanks by your time and the job that you do day after day.
I know that TIME is something that you need ever, so I wish apologize in advance for give you more “work to do” -if you accept it…
I found this article and wish to share with you, I hope you find it interesting -I tried to translate with “Bing” but you know how are these “on line translators”…
http://www.novorosinform.org/articles/id/284
So, I will look for your opinion about it, IF YOU HAVE THE TIME, of course.
Many thanks, my best regards to you..!
Miguel Burgueño.-
anunnaki wrote (to the good Saker):
“You have to decide if you are a news aggregator, commentator or gossip site.
Your commentary on both events on the ground and how others comment on those same events is superlative.”
*
I love and value this site. It is where I come to learn and understand more about the issues of concern to us.
For blow-by-blow updates of daily battles, there’s Twitter.
caragay Germany: Welcome.
The best army in the ancient world was the Greek, formed by pairs as you.
Respect, I have no prejudices – Brazil is a zone.
For my part I am in the third heterosexual marriage with two children enrolled in the Faculty of Civil Engineering – product of the second marriage.
I married the first time with a Russian blonde with blue eyes – Zinaina was her name, was a woman of my height – 1.80m, beautiful filly.
The second time I married a beautiful petite dancer, Thémys – mother of my children – interesting is that I’m taller than my children, but it bothers me, it was worth making the boys with that woman kkkkkkkkkkkk.
My current wife, have been married for 23 years – has black blood and Portuguese, her family is from the state of Bahia – Brazil, it is the Jehovah’s Witness religion since I was 14 years old.
For my part I am a Roman Catholic Apostolic, was a seminarian -I was expelled from the seminary in Araraquara-SP-Brazil.
Military was Army – Infantry, black foot.
I do not think being gay or gypsy is interesting in Europe today, neo-Nazi Ukrainian guys kill mercilessly, has no tolerance.
Black or Latino, even less, not to mention Muslim!
Half of my blood is Polish on his father, the other half is Austrian by mother but I am Brazilian, I do not consider myself European or white.
The sun in Brazil is so strong that you do not distinguish the color of the people.
Women are so beautiful that you do not see the ugly much less fat.
Here one lives with what God provides.
The Brazilian is a lot like those guys who live in Siberia, we turned around and do things like give.
Kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
@Alien Tech
“the british empire was able to destroy all rivals including Russia, China and India by the time it went down”
The British Empire colonized and subjugated India and parts of China for centuries long before it “went down”–just as the bloodthirsty British were colonizing much of the non-Western world from the Middle East to Africa.
Though the British Empire formally dissolved, it continues to live on in other, more disguised, forms–namely as a key ally in the American Imperium.
Today, the Anglo American nations are maniacally anxious about the possible end of Anglo global domination and challenges to it from China, Russia, and other BRICS nations.
Mind you, this Anglo American decline is largely *relative* in nature, as it means that the Anglo Americans will only be one of many great powers instead of being the unitary hyperpower that they have lusted after for centuries.
Yet even this transition from an Anglo unipolar world to a multipolar world with many different power centers is too much to bear for Anglo Americans.
The Anglo American nations possess an inbred sense of imperial entitlement that they have a God-given right to rule the planet.
They instinctively degenerate into thinly concealed pants-wetting paranoia and anxiety whenever fulminating about the challenge of emerging nations like China, Russia, etc. to their rule.
The UK Telegraph (aka Torygraph) is a representative specimen of this mentality, which is found in most Anglo propaganda rags.
The Anglo Americans are so pathetic in this way, it is almost funny.
Well…
Why not to have a look on the *date* when this “paper” was published ?
Bottom right of it on the source page.
Sept, 10th.
IMHO, Tovarisch Polkovnik looked like alive, the day after these “news”, 11th, when giving press-conference…
Regroup and strengthen, the UKie use of the ceasefire, as reported by this comment reported on RT by a Kiev UKie Official:
Ukraine’s National Security Council spokesman Andrey Lysenko has praised the “positive results” of the ceasefire between Kiev and militia forces in the southeast of the country.
“Now in a relaxed situation we can free our hostages, regroup our forces, strengthen them,” Lysenko said.
Saker, seriously, you need to STOP giving your illogical critics so much time and attention and above all, taking their comments as having validity. By doing so, you are raising them to a level to which they do NOT belong. Ignore them and don’t think about what they write, it’s par for the course that you WILL get irrational and illogical criticism, and is one of the lesser ways of ‘warfare’ to waste your time and energy.
Saker
Another heads up. The attack on you by MoA is continuing and getting more ridiculous. They are really out to discredit you now. Besides the Strelkov strawman, they are attacking you for your religious beliefs.
Have a look at this loony tunes regarding your refutation of the Strelkov rumour:
http://www.moonofalabama.org/2014/09/ukraine-as-economic-war-escalates-fighting-may-resume-soon.html#c6a00d8341c640e53ef01b7c6dfada9970b
Second page of comments, from:
Posted by: Malooga | Sep 14, 2014 4:23:01 AM | 154.
Besides his slander campaign against you at MoA, according to what is written in that comment, that sayan has evidently been part of the attack trolling here.
Then they began attacking your religious beliefs there. See:
Posted by: Demian | Sep 14, 2014 5:24:59 AM | 156
Posted by: james | Sep 14, 2014 11:13:05 AM | 163
Thing is these are not just “drive by commenters” at MoA, but regulars there who are considered part of the site and personal friends by the owner. He posts material by Malooga as part of the blog. These commenters, and a few others, are given carte blanche by Bernhard to write what they want due to their mutual close relationships, and their comments can be considered as representing the blog’s, and Bernhard’s pov, as well. Bernhard is very protective of this coddled group and even recently banned another commenter (JSorrentine) for being critical of Malooga.
This group are both fanatic about the zionist “project” and about “gay pride”. If what these people have been doing to Gilad Atzmon over the years is any indication, you can expect to be slandered by them over multiple sites in the future, as well as attempts to destroy you in your non-internet related life. Expect the worst.
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@вот так:Another heads up. The attack on you by MoA is continuing and getting more ridiculous. They are really out to discredit you now
Thanks for the heads-up. Frankly, I don’t care anymore. I don’t know much about MoA which I never read (unless pointed to something there by a reader), but if you are pro-homo and pro-Zionist, I can’t blame them. At least they can despise me for what I actually *did* write, and not for something I never said. As for the “Strelkov-death announcement” canard I said everything I had to say about it. And if you do participate the the discussions there, please don’t defend me, I don’t need it, and nothing you say will convince those who hate me for my views.
Thanks again and kind regards,
The Saker
Dear Saker,
There is a campaign to discredit you. Whether we like it or not (I don’t) we are engaged in an information war in which our opponents take no prisoners.
The other day I spoke with a young woman who works for VoR (may of the people who work for the English language Russian media agencies are very young) and she spoke to me of the intense pressure all of them feel under. As for myself I like you have had to cope with quite extraordinary levels of abuse including from a 0former “friend” one of who compared me to the Nazi propagandists William Joyce aka “Lord Haw Haw”. Mark Sleboda, Peter Lavelle and I have all at various times had our Facebook pages hacked. My Facebook profile was changed to make it look like I worked for Gazeta.Ru (as if) whilst lately someone has been impersonating Peter. As for the indomitable Graham Phillips, he has been captured and threatened on two occasions and has also had his Facebook and email accounts hacked.
It is very ugly. We must support each other and remember that in the end the truth is with us. I am glad by the way that you no longer show the same tolerance to trolls.
Best Wishes,
Alexander Mercouris
Saker, I would beware of “Anonymous 14 September, 2014 16:25” and his breathless carrying of tales about what supposedly is being said of you at Moon Of Alabama. Reading through all the comments, I see that what he says about Malooga and Demian is far from the truth; they expressed disappointment, but not personal attacks on you.
It really is a compliment to your fine work to see so much recognition that disinfo artists should make the effort to distract you.
Man From Atlan said…
“Saker, I would beware of “Anonymous 14 September, 2014 16:25″ and his breathless carrying of tales about what supposedly is being said of you at Moon Of Alabama.”
“breathless”? Lol, sadboi.
“Reading through all the comments”
Lol “mr. stein”
“I see that what he says about Malooga and Demian is far from the truth”
Do you really expect that lie to be taken seriously, sayan? Given what they actually wrote? It’s all there for anyone to read. Come on, Lady Gaga wannabee, you cant be serious. :D
Pinkwatching And Pinkwashing: Interpenetration and its Discontents
http://www.jadaliyya.com/pages/index/6774/pinkwatching-and-pinkwashing_interpenetration-and-
“they expressed disappointment, but not personal attacks on you.”
And Rush Limbaugh is not a hypocrite… ;)
“It really is a compliment to your fine work to see so much recognition that disinfo artists should make the effort to distract you.”
Yeah, Guardian/justthetalk.com/MoA sayanim, we are just doing our zionazi best to promote ZPC/NWO unity. Damn those Putin-nazis who say/do anything divisive, and different from the zio-playscript, and not approved in zionaziland, and God-forbid write something honest. That is very unDisneylike and definitely Hitlerian.
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“Anonymous” вот так
15 September, 2014 06:09
Calling ME a “sayan” is very funny, is that the best you can do? Anyone can follow the links and see who’s telling the truth.
The people your anonymous ilk slandered actually said positive things about Saker, so nice try trolling.
Moon Of Alabama has been around longer and done more for the anti-Zionist cause than you, but go ahead and try foster division, more fool anyone that accepts the words of anonymous trolls without verifying for themselves.
Man From Atlan said…15 September, 2014 23:51
I wasn’t going to respond, but leaving your personal attack and the lies you posted unanswered would be wrong and leave people with an incorrect account of what you lot were up to at MoA and are now trying to defend here.
“Calling ME a “sayan” is very funny, is that the best you can do?”
Hey, I tried, how was I to know you wouldn’t like the compliment? Would you have rather I called you a “Christian zionist” with all the very negative baggage such would imply? ;)
“Anyone can follow the links and see who’s telling the truth.”
Then let’s do so, mr. loyal friend of the justthetalk tribe.
“The people your anonymous ilk slandered actually said positive things about Saker, so nice try trolling.”
You mean like these compliments?
Posted by: Malooga | Sep 14, 2014 4:23:01 AM | 154
“It is clear from this quote that the Saker has sought to deflect attention away from his flouting of ethical journalistic standards”
Or:
Posted by: Demian | Sep 14, 2014 5:24:59 AM | 156
“The Saker made a mistake.” Which was followed by a not so subtle condemnation cleverly worded (so he obviously thought) to sound like praise, but actually reinforce the slander. Condemning with faint praise is the term for the tactic. In the past, Demian wasn’t so subtle, calling Saker’s views on religion weird and other similar derogatory terms.
The 3rd slanderbot:
Posted by: james | Sep 14, 2014 11:13:05 AM | 163
“@156 demian.. that is an interesting twist as i was unaware of the sakers focus on religion.. i conclude he is not all that well or overstretched.”
Now who is the dishonest one here? What amazes me is that you are so willing to trash your credibility making such obvious untruths that everyone can plainly see.
What those 3 zionist smearbots at MoA were doing is an obvious smear attempt to discredit Saker, and therefore this blog as a source of information. Now who does that benefit? That you sought to defend that smearing shows you not only approved of it, you are an active part of the smearing.
“Moon Of Alabama has been around longer and done more for the anti-Zionist cause than you”
I’ve been around long enough to see you people run these sorts of smear jobs probably 100’s of times now. Anyway, Bernhard might mention “zionism” all of twice a year and regularly bans people from his site who are anti-zionist (JSorrentine being just the latest victim). In fact would an anti-zionist write this?
http://www.moonofalabama.org/2013/03/another-korea-war.html#c6a00d8341c640e53ef017c377422cf970b
“@вот так – your conflating of U.S. and Israeli interest as one and of Zionists as some rulers of the world is nonsense. Keep it away from your comments here or go elsewhere.”
Posted by: b | Mar 9, 2013 3:44:58 AM | 22
Saker would probably end up banned there for using the term Anglo/zionist.
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вот так
16 September, 2014 01:08
All one has to do is go to http://www.moonofalabama.org/2014/09/ukraine-as-economic-war-escalates-fighting-may-resume-soon/comments/page/2/#comments page 2 and see for themselves, which is what I urged people to do. They’ll see that their criticism was sincere, they did not insult Saker’s beliefs, and it is you that is misquoting, posting partial comments, and tacking on your own interpretations of what was actually said, hoping people wouldn’t bother to check.
You also appear to have issues with MOA and that colors your reporting. Calling me a sayan then a ChristianZionist was just you being funny, and I’ll worry about my credibility, as you should yours.
I had hoped the fall out of the unfortunate Strelkov story would dissipate, in the interest of a greater cause. Instead I see former allies fighting, with no small help from people like you.
Excuse me if I ignore you from now on.
@Man from Atlan : two small comments if I may.
1) I never ‘fought’ anybody
2) I agree that вот так overuses the term Zionist and that he misuses the term sayan
3) but I agree with him about the criticism on MoA was not sincere in the least.
BTW – the campaign to smear me failed, so we can turn the page and go back to the important stuff (at least for a while – they will not stop trying).
My 2cts.
Cheers,
The Saker
Promised 2 delivered 3. How cool is that?
I need to sleep.
Good night.
The Saker