The following is a translation/ interpretation of Cat Motya posts regarding the issue of management of Mecca.
Please, keep in mind that in Russian classic literature, folklore and fairytales, cats are learned and wise creature whose main duty is to tell tales about life in faraway lands. Take, for example, Alesander Pushkin’s poem, Ruslan and Ludmila. The story of their love was told to Pushkin by a learned cat.
That the Iranian government was about to make a decision to advise its people not take part in the Hajj was known in Russia for quite some time.
“After two series of negotiations without any results because of obstacles raised by the Saudis, Iranian pilgrims will unfortunately not be able to take part in the Hajj,” said Iran’s Culture Minister Ali Jannati on Iran’s TV.
Brief History of Mecca massacres
- In 24 September, 2015 in so called “Mina stampede” at least 2,236 pilgrims according to the Western sources were suffocated or crushed during the annual Hajj pilgrimage in Mina, Mecca. The Saudi Vice Minister of Health officially announced 4,173 people dead in this incident in a press release later removed. At this “stampede” the former Iranian ambassador to Lebanon Ghazanfar Roknabadi was killed along with 465 Iranians.
- The 2015 Mina Massacre came after on 11 September 2015, a crawler crane toppled over onto the Masjid al-Haram, the Grand Mosque in Mecca. 111 people were killed and 394 were injured. 11 Iranians were killed and 32 injured.
Some other “notable” deadly stampedes include:
- July 2, 1990: A stampede inside a pedestrian tunnel (Al-Ma’aisim tunnel) leading out from Mecca towards Mina and the Plains of Arafat led to the deaths of 1,426 pilgrims, many of them of Malaysian, Indonesian and Pakistani origin.
- May 23, 1994: A stampede killed at least 270 pilgrims at the stoning of the Devil ritual.
- April 9, 1998: at least 118 pilgrims were trampled to death and 180 injured in an incident on Jamaraat Bridge.
- March 5, 2001: 35 pilgrims were trampled to death in a stampede during the stoning of the Devil ritual.
- February 11, 2003: The stoning of the Devil ritual claimed 14 pilgrims’ lives.[6]
- February 1, 2004: 251 pilgrims were killed and another 244 injured in a stampede during the stoning ritual in Mina.
- January 12, 2006: A stampede during the stoning of the Devil on the last day of the Hajj in Mina killed at least 346 pilgrims and injured at least 289 more. The incident occurred shortly after 13:00 local time, when a busload of travelers arrived together at the eastern access ramps to the Jamaraat Bridge. This caused pilgrims to trip, rapidly resulting in a lethal stampede. An estimated two million people were performing the ritual at the time.
Fires
- December 1975: An exploding gas cylinder caused a fire in a tent colony and resulted in the deaths of 200 pilgrims.
- April 15, 1997: 343 pilgrims were killed and 1,500 injured in a tent fire (Main article: Mecca fire of 1997). The tents are now fireproof.
- November 1, 2011: Two pilgrims, a wife and husband, died in a coach fire. There were two coaches in the convoy, and a person in the second coach noticed smoke billowing from the coach in front. He radioed the driver to stop. Everybody evacuated the coach, and as the last two were getting out, the coach suffered three explosions.
- Feb 8, 2014 – A raging fire Saturday at a hotel in the Saudi Arabian city of Medina killed 15 people and injured another 130
- Aug 30, 2015 – A fire at a residential complex for oil workers Aramco residential complex in Alkhobar in eastern Saudi Arabia kills 11 and injures at least 200
- Sep 17, 2015 – More than 1,000 pilgrims have been evacuated from a Makkah hotel in Mecca after fire broke out in one of the rooms. Two pilgrims were injure
- Sep 22, 2015 – A fire at a Mecca hotel led to the evacuation of at least 1,500 Hajj pilgrims on Monday. It is the second such incident in Saudi Arabia in the last week. Four pilgrims were injured
- Dec 24, 2015 – At least 25 people died and 123 were injured in a fire in Saudi hospital’s maternity ward and intensive care unit in southern Saudi Arabia
- Friday 27 May 2016 – MAKKAH: Fire hit a 20-story hotel at Shuhada neighborhood in Makkah on Friday, … Saudi Arabia.
Airplane crashes
- January 22, 1973: A Royal Jordanian Boeing 707 crashed at Kano, Nigeria, killing 176 Hajj pilgrims returning from Mecca.
- December 4, 1974: Martinair Flight 138 crashed near Colombo, Sri Lanka, killing all 191 people aboard – 182 Indonesian hajj pilgrims bound for Mecca, and 9 crew members.
- November 15, 1978: Icelandic Airlines Loftleiðir HF Flight LL 001 crashed at Colombo, Sri Lanka, killing 170 (mostly Indonesian) Muslim pilgrims returning from the Hajj.
- November 26, 1979: Pakistan International Airlines Flight 740 had an in-flight fire and crashed after takeoff from the old Jeddah International Airport on 26 November 1979 killing all 156 on board the Boeing 707.
- August 19, 1980: Saudia Flight 163 had a cargo compartment fire shortly after take-off from Riyadh airport. All 287 passengers and 14 crew on board the Lockheed L-1011-200 TriStar, registration HZ-AHK, died after the aircraft made an emergency landing.
- July 11, 1991: Nigeria Airways Flight 2120 (operated by Nationair) was a chartered passenger flight from Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, to Sokoto, Nigeria which had an in-flight fire and crashed shortly after takeoff from King Abdulaziz International Airport, killing all 247 Hajj pilgrims and 14 crew members on board the DC-8.
Non Hajj related mass deaths of Muslims in Saudi Arabia
On March 11, 2002, a fire at a girls’ school in Mecca, Saudi Arabia killed fifteen people, all young girls
Dec 24, 2015 – A fire in the early hours of the morning at a hospital in Saudi Arabia kills 25 people and injures more than 100,
Apr 18, 2016 – Saudi Arabia chemical plant fire claims 12 lives and leaves 11 others injured.
Feb 11, 2016 – RIYADH, Saudi Arabia (AP) — A teacher in southern Saudi Arabia opened fire on colleagues Thursday, killing at least six people and wounding
Jan 29, 2016 – At least three people were killed in an attack on a mosque in eastern Saudi Arabia
Executions in Saudi Arabia
- between January 1985 and June 2015, at least 2,208 people were executed in the kingdom. The report said at least 151 people had been put to death in 2015, compared with 90 in 2014
- Jan 4, 2016 – Saudi Arabia executed 47 people in one day
- In 2016 by March 8th Saudi Arabia executed 70 Muslims.
- Apr 1, 2016 – Executions by beheading in Saudi Arabia this year are on pace to more than double those that took place in 2015
- At the current rate Saudi Arabia could see more than 100 executions in the first half of 2016
Saudi Arabia suicide bombers
- The Qatif and Dammam mosque bombings occurred on 22 and 29 May 2015, at least 21 people killed.
- Jan 29, 2016 – At least four people were killed and 18 others wounded in a suicide bomb attack on a Shia mosque in eastern Saudi Arabia
- At least 91 people were killed in suicide bomb attacks in the Saudi Arabian capital of Riyadh
Incredulously, immediately after the Crane massacre, Bandar Al Hajjar, Saudi Hajj minister at the time, stated that “Starting from next Hajj season, the number of pilgrims will increase to 5 million and then to 30 million in the coming five years”. Imagine, how even larger massacre the Saudis could accomplish with increase in pilgrimage? And try to put yourself into Iranian government shoes, just in one months on September 2015, 476 Iranians were killed and 394 injured just for their desire to come and pray at the holy site.
To add insult to injury, two days after the September 24th, 2015 “Mina stampede” Al Khaleej Times reported that “‘Rule-breaking Iran pilgrims’ caused crush in Hajj 2015″
Reading this statistics of deaths, keep in mind that Saudi Arabia is a modern, highly organized society with a total surveillance of it s citizens and unparalleled security.
After this very brief and incomplete overview of deaths of innocent Muslim people, the following is what Cat Matfey, a very popular Russian political analyst, has to say:
Cat Motya’s Glossary
- Mus musculus, house mouse, mice, rats and other rodents – enemies of Cat Motya and all cats in Russia, which makes them the enemies of Russia. Cat Motya is not a vegetarian, but his unwillingness to eat mice is deeply rooted in his sense of disgust. He catches them and keeps them in an aquarium for scientific research. He studies their behavior to prevent their attacks on cats and people.
- Sadists – Saudis
- Pindostand – the USA
- pindos, those who live in Pindostan
“Let’s turn towards Mecca and recall what I have wrote before, for what I was attacked and ridiculed by representatives of Mus musculus tribe and other such rodents. Remember, I wrote in December 2015 that we needed to divide the organizational authority over Mecca and Medina between Russian Muslims, Shiites and Emirates.
Our tasks: After we clean and secure Syria, we will move to Iraq. Essentially, we have already helped Iraq to liberate itself by sharing intelligence including space intelligence and with our specialists working with them. Next… Egypt, we can consider that we secured Egypt against the advancement of ISIS in case they all would rush there and start a mind-blowing bloodbath. Now, it’s not going to happen. It’s just small groups now and they are being annihilated as soon as they come, right there not far from a receptionist area, and without much losses to the country. Next, Yemen has to be liberated. YemenOurs has to be anyway. Now, we have these spawns left, Sadists and Qataracts. We have to decide what to do with them. I’m, personally, not against peaceful resolutions, but they’re not smart enough for this on the look of it. Lebanon sits very quietly. I mean it’s Sunni’s part, because Shiites fight for Assad, but Sunnis are neither here, no there. As always. The situation with Lebanon should defuse after ISIS is completely destroyed in Syria and Iraq. They will bring normal reasonable people in to govern, of this I am certain.
Why wouldn’t we divide Sadists in two parts, like KK Security divided Sudan? By the way, they have done this very quietly, don’t you think? That’s my personal cat’s opinion, that they will have a peaceful divorce, because it’s hard to imagine that Sadists will accept the situation that we will be ruling there and not Pindostan with them. Keep in mind that in areas where Houthis live in Saudi Arabia oil flows, and under Sadists only sand flows.
I dream about shaking up the Sadists a bit, and delivering Mecca under the joined authority of our Muslims, emirates and Shiites. So that it would be under common rule of all Muslims. I think that the Salman’s family has lost the moral rights to govern Mecca after they allowed the CIA and Mossad to kidnap Muslims from other countries who came for Hajj. This is a crime against Islam.
I consider that our Kadyrov, plus the Sheikh of Dubai, plus Ayatollah of Persia, should rule the spiritual center of Muslims in Mecca. Why? They are creating all kinds of ‘isises’ against us, and we keep destroying them, and they have to pay for that somehow…
Furthermore… Tonight [Friday 27th] we are witnessing something that might be the beginning of this process. At the beginning, as always, there has to be an iron clad reason. Saeed Ohadi, the head of Iran’s Hajj and Pilgrimage Organization gave the Sadists an ultimatum on the grounds that they have lost their freaking mind and that the new Sadists’ minister of hajj has invented so many rules to make sure that Persians wouldn’t be able to contribute to their own security, and that the Sadists are not providing their security, as I’ve showed in facts above. He also mentioned that they, Persians, have already sent a letter to the general secretary of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation, and that after waiting for ten days they are requesting an emergency meeting of Iran’s Supreme Hajj Council.
[“Minister of Culture and Islamic Guidance Ali Jannati “tentatively confirmed” the cancellation of the Hajj for Iranian pilgrims, according to Islamic Republic News Agency (IRNA). Jannati stated that “time has run out” for Saudi Arabia to fulfill the conditions Iran set for its participation in this year’s pilgrimage and accused Saudi Arabia of “sabotage.” He added that Saudi Arabia did not accept Iran’s proposals for ensuring the safety of pilgrims after the September 2015 Hajj stampede. Saudi Arabia also reportedly refused to comply with additional Iranian demands on travel arrangements, including reversing its ban on Iranian airlines in Saudi Arabia and issuing visas for Iranians through the Swiss embassy, which represents Saudi interests in Iran after the severance of Iranian-Saudi ties in January. The cancellation would likely require Iranian pilgrims to coordinate their travel through a third-party country rather than banning Iranian travel altogether.”]
[Grand Ayatollah: Saudi Arabia should not administer holy sites. Grand Ayatollah Naser Makarem Shirazi stated that Saudi Arabia “cannot administer Mecca” and called for the Organization of Islamic Cooperation to administer holy sites in Mecca and Medina instead. He also called for a greater investigation by the Iranian Foreign Ministry and the international community into the extent to which ISIS “emerged from Saudi Arabia.” (Fars News Agency)
Dirty Sadists agree with the Persian’ demands, but only in their words. In reality, Persian pilgrims will be cut off any consulate help the moment they step on Saudi Arabian soil. Also, since Sadists insist that Iranian planes not be used to transport Iranian pilgrims, the transportation problem is not solved at all.
The Iranian officials called the behavior of the Sadists “inappropriate and cold.”
Remember the amount of Muslims and especially Iranians who were killed during the Hajjes last year? Sadists claim that 770 people had died, but Persians quote 2500 people, which is a huge number. A huge majority of these people were citizens of Iran.
I, as a cat, think that it was a planed massacre, and that it was planned by Sadists together with mice, because they are allies. When a crane collapsed, remember, 200 people died, and then several hotels burned down with people inside. This is a tendency. I have been saying it all along, that this is a tendency. Now, these rodents make noises that they are allies, and that they have “strategic cooperation.” That was proclaimed by the former chief of Mossad Bordo when he was lecturing at Harvard.
See also, Saudis, Israelis developing new ‘super Stuxnet’ against Iran nuclear program
Even Bloomberg wrote about secret interactions between Mossad and Sadists’ secret services, but… it was obvious for everyone willing to see. They cooperate against Iran, Hezbollah and Palestine, despite of all statements of the Sadists that they are defenders of Muslims, especially Palestinians, but in reality they are not, they are their enemies, just like their “special” ally.
Consider all of these and also facts that Sadists have assisted in kidnappings of Persian citizens during their Hajj…
This is the story as it happened: An Iranian man went to Hajj to Saudi Arabia and disappeared. No one saw him. No one knew what had happened to him. There were no witnesses. This man was a nuclear scientists. Iran made an inquiry with the Saudis, and they responded with -2000C coldness claiming that they knew nothing, and even that his man was a terrorist and joined some kind of militant group.
For a year no one heard from this man. And suddenly, one day a message from him, a video message where he said that he managed to get to the computer while his captors weren’t watching, that he was in the US, and he asked to be saved.
The next day a scandal had erupted. Iran showed the guy on TV, Persians are angry. The Iranian government makes an official inquiry to the American government about a kidnapping.. And pindos? At first this filth had denied everything and even blamed Iranians for provocation against innocent Washington. Persians, however, don’t give up that easily. They posted the electronic location from where the message was sent. Relatives crying and saying that it was him. In response, those filthy animals produced a new movie. They made a new video and made this man to say that he came to the US by his own will, that he wanted to stay in the US and asked everyone to stop looking for him. This is just days after he was pleading for help.
Persians, of course, refuse to eat this steaming pile, they went into some secret negotiations, and finally this man was returned home.
Do you understand the vulgarity, cynicism, cowardliness, and evil of those mutants? There were many other people, and groups of people who have disappeared without a trace! We can imagine what those animals did to them. This was a story of just one kidnappings, when a man was walked to a mosque, a car stopped offered a ride, he got inside… He came to his senses in pindostan.
With all these in mind, we have an argument that considering that Iran is becoming our new ally, and they allow us to have on their territory what we need, and that they have the longest border on the Persian Gulf, they punched pindos many times, and that they don’t cook up terrorists against us. Considering all these and more, it might be that the “world” will gradually realize that it was a mistake to trust Sadists with Mecca.
We have to have influence and a full access to Mecca, because our millions of Muslims don’t take other nations’ territories and don’t bomb anybody.
P.S.: “Panama Papers” reveal that King of Saudi Arabia was a sponsor of Benjamin Netanyahu’s political campaign.
P.P.S.: Tehran’s interim Friday prayers leader Ayatollah Ahmad Khatami ‘We favor a Hajj with dignity and security,’ he said, condemning Saudi rulers for their policies regarding Hajj pilgrimage.
The Iranian nation is a dignified and dear nation and will never accept insults and insecurity, he said, noting that Iran has neither an embassy nor a consulate in Saudi Arabia to protect its interests.
Despite efforts by Hajj and Pilgrimage Organization to hold Hajj season this year as in the past, they create obstacles and prevent Iranians from making Hajj pilgrimage, said Khatami.
The cleric also contended that Saudis’ refusal to accept Iranian Hajj pilgrims and deadly crash in Mina last year prove that they are incompetent to run the great event.
‘The agents of the Zionist regime have no merit to organize the Hajj season,’ he said. [IRNA]
“Yes, mice, yes… That where we are slowly, but technically advancing. We will snatch Mecca from your ally Sadists’ hands. Kadyrov, emirates and Persians will supervise the common security and decide who would be allowed to pray and who wouldn’t.
A day after Cat Motya’s post about Mecca, Saudis announced their ban on selfies with cats. What’s next? Are you children of Satan going to ban cat videos? The primarily reason for the existence of Internet? Give up and surrender, because your time has passed. “
Why do they care? Muslims who die in mecca, go straight to paradise.
These Persians, were better as Zoroastrians.
> straight to paradise.
as with all so called “religions”
I don’t recall all the details, but from the top of my head I can say: A few years ago in India some Buddhist pilgrims walked to a monastry on the tracks of a main railroad line and didn’t here the long distance Express train loudly making warning Beeeeeepppp beeeep etc.
20 or so were dead instantly, but it gets better: They were that much enraged that they went to the locomotive driver and burned him alive. Then the set the entire train (with several hundred passengers) on fire with their holy petroleum.
Well, aren’r religions and some spiritual prayers a holy (s.) good thing?
In the predominate religion of the West, also the largest Christian body, maybe the largest religious body on earth (neck and neck with all of Islam lumped together) believers do not go straight to heaven after death, but undergo a long process of purgation from the stain of their sins, although forgiven from them, until they are fit to enter. The belief is soundly scripturally based (looking up the citations is left as an exercise for the reader: see that body’s official Catechism), and has been an article of faith since ancient times, at least since Saints Felicita and Perpetua. Evidently this body is not a ‘so called “religion” — but a real one.
blah …:
Religion Comes From Ancient Astrology and Sun Worship
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ly6ToMQVsho
Slight misspelling: “Son” Worship (not “Sun”).
“purgification”???
“”””” Seward on May 30, 2016 · at 3:08 pm UTC
In the predominate religion of the West, also the largest Christian body, maybe the largest religious body on earth (neck and neck with all of Islam lumped together) believers do not go straight to heaven after death, but undergo a long process of purgation from the stain of their sins, although forgiven from them, until they are fit to enter. The belief is soundly scripturally based”””””
You mean, like *this*?????
Massacres of Poles in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia 1943-1944
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OJyKyinpks
Massacres of Poles in Volhynia
http://www.ww2incolor.com/dramatic/1_001.html
http://www.volhyniamassacre.eu/
Massacres of Poles in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Poles_in_Volhynia_and_Eastern_Galicia
Is this your holy purgification of Orthodox versus Catholic Christians?
Sorry, Seward, but you are both right.
As discussed elsewhere, English, formed as a language many centuries after Christ, is the language that was designed from the get-go for massive, pervasive punning and “green language”. So it is no accident that Son and Sun sound alike in English.
Martin has spoken at some length on the subject of astro-theology in months past, but it is common knowledge in the higher echelons of Christianity, Judaism and Islam that these three are what is known as “the Desert Sky” religions, and furthermore that Christianity is solar, Islam (Crescent Moon, anyone?) is lunar and Judaism (Star of David, for starters…..) is stellar and planetary. The “minor” more distant lights in the desert sky.
Unlike some who use knowledge of this fact to dismiss the teachings of one or all of these religions (which I am not saying Martin does, at all…I leave that for him to clarify if he wants to or ignore if he doesn’t want to) I don’t hold any grudge whatsoever about these natural and understandable facts about the ancient influences and origins of these faiths or any others.
One simple example suffices, however to prove that Martin has a perfectly valid point:
2,000 years ago and earlier, every human being on earth was far, far more conscious than we are today, each and every day, on the dependence of our very lives and well being on our star at the center of our solar system.
For one, there was no electricity, so when the sun was blocked by the earth’s sunny side, the other side was plunged into darkness, with an infinitesimally small amount of artificial illumination available to conquer the darkness, compared to today.
Also, all food was locally grown, and above certain latitudes there is no growth of crops in late fall, winter, and early spring in the northern hemisphere, when the sun is lower and nearer the horizon at its apex each day.
Therefore, the return of the Life Giving Sun each morning and the ascent of the sun higher and higher in the sky after its lowest point (Winter solstice, Dec 22) was of extremely present and much more conscious urgency than it is in the modern world.
So, you have a correspondence between the sun and the Son in terms of the 3 days after the Dec 22 said to be the birth of the Son, and also the sun, December 25th!
Christianity predates Islam and Judaism predates Christianity and Egyptian Theology predates Judaism, and they all have extensive astro-theological components.
Egypt is more complicated. Ra, Aton, Osiris (and many more) are all sun gods for different aspects of the sun, and then you have Isis, a holy mother of Horus, a male child god. Some may want to dismiss all of these ancient origins, but I guarantee you they will be honoring Horus every day, <anyway, like it or not, because he is ingrained in our very notion of time in the word “HOUR”. As well as “horizon”.
As far as I am concerned, none of these facts detract from what Jesus of Nazareth had to say. But I have seen others get angry or cynical when they find out.
Martin has previous provided links to astro-theology. He’s busy though, and so am I. In 2 minutes you can do a search, and promptly know quite a bit about it than most people in your church!
And there is much, much more.
Peace.
Tnx Bro Anon, you took the time to watch the video, probably unlike those who are afraid of doing so.
I never even said I know that there is no God, how could I small human being dare to.
Many questions are unanswered.
By any standard Nature itself is God!!!
And nobody can tell me if the universe is finite or infinite. And if it is finite, what comes thereafter. And if it is not finite, how it can be possible that it is infinite.
Then: Is time a reality? When did time start? When will time end? Are there different parallel times? Is it possible to travel in time (not only forward, but also backwards)?
Those are qestions one should ask in the 21st century, rather then referring to hilarious text books from a few 1000 years ago claiming “those go to heaven, and those others don’t”.
WtF! To which heaven? Which altitude? Which anything?
What I said and keep saying was, is and continues to be: The first thing God would do would be instantly and totally outlawing these so called “religions”.
The old Slavs were not Christians until 800 to 1000 years ago.
They didn’t want to abandon their old beliefs for Christianity..
So how can Christus have created the world?
WtF?
Is it 2016 or 1016?
What a foolish planet.
Your futher comment has been moved to the MFC as this discussion is off topic. Please feel free to carry it on there. Mod
Martin, I view the matter perhaps with more charity and less anger. But maybe I have been much less beset by religious hypocrites than you have! The rest of my reply in moveable feast cafe.
Yes, I heard about the #catwa from https://twitter.com/EmbassyCat, who is still little but allready very wise. Could it be true?
I really don’t know details on this “Cat” to comment on them much. I have heard at various times (I thought on here as well) that it was a distrusted blog,possibility 5th column.But I’m not sure. So I won’t discuss him/her.
But on the other hand will talk about Mecca. The Haj as a requirement for Muslims Worldview gas been going on since the 600-700’s. Many different states over that period have ruled Mecca. Sometimes,as different Muslim states have warred with each other, people from one or the other have been stopped from making the Haj (and sometimes not). According to the “rules” Muslims should never be stopped from making the Haj. But people being people,it hasn’t always worked that way. So the Iranians not making the Haj currently,is not something totally shocking in Islamic history. Its an internal Islamic affair. And should be kept to that. Only Muslims should make decisions about Islam.All non-Muslims should stay out of that. Mecca (the city),and the region it is a part of ,Hejaz,,were a state of itself at times, a part of the ancient Arab Caliphate,a part of the Turkish Ottoman Empire,now once again a part of a native Arabian state. I think its doubtful (at best) that they would accept peacefully any international control over their city. And foreigners trying to force that risk the chance of not an ISIS being created. But of a Worldwide Islamic Jihad instead.As I said earlier,only Muslims can decide on Islamic change. And in this case ,only Mecca Muslims should decide who rules them.
Uncle Bob,
Thank you for your comment.
You wrote: “Only Muslims should make decisions about Islam.”
Can millions of Muslims from Russia take a part in this decision, or they don’t count? What about Kadyrov? His family has been a guardian of an item that belonged to Prophet Mohammed for centuries.
Tell me, please, where did I write about “ruling over Saudis.” I only wrote about the administration of Hajj. I posted what Iranians have to say about this. It’s very apparent that Saudis can’t do the job proper.
Correct me if am wrong, but wasn’t it the British who appointed the Saudis? The British weren’t Muslims. Why didn’t it bother anyone back then?
There are several questions in your comment. The easy one is , I never talked about you saying “ruling over Saudis”. Another is that certainly Russian Muslims would/should have a say about Islam ,in general. But there are many different opinions from what we see among Muslims in Russia. And Russians are only “maybe” 5% or so of Muslims. So how much of a say should they have is debatable.And lastly the issue of the British and the Saudis is very complicated. I think its not a question of the British appointing the Saudis, as it is of them “helping” them to gain power.The Saudis already were a power in the region. And the British considered them as the most likely to win the war for the region. So wanting to have influence with them they heavily supported them. But that isn’t the same as appointing them.
The Americans gave the Saudis a warplane, that was as good as appointing themguardinas.
Reaaalllllllll Islam is the “religion of Peace”, yeah, I know, the rest is only bad hatespeech:
‘Football is un-Islamic’: ISIS militants gun down Real Madrid fans in Iraq http://on.rt.com/7cn2
https://www.rt.com/news/344795-real-madrid-fans-kileld-iraq/
Public sport events are “un-islamic”, aha.
But this apparently not:
Cash-Strapped ISIS Is Selling Sex Slaves On Facebook: Asking Price $8,000 Each
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-05-29/cash-strapped-isis-selling-sex-slaves-facebook-asking-price-8000-each
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Why has Russia left Syria for more of the well-known givaway “peace agreements” (and more fighting from the other side) ?
“Why has Russia left Syria for more of…….?”
Because Russia is much too weak to do anything more there. It doesn’t want another Afghanistan on its back (USSR was even a superpower when it tried and failed in that place). OK, so capitalist Russia tested some of its modern weapons, that was useful. And it showed its western “partners” in the club that it “also can”, and expanded its “influence” in ME, and that all was also useful. But if you asked me, I would only say that it all clearly boils down to what Lenin said about imperialism as the last stage of capitalism, where you got the world fragmented into blocks – a.k.a. “multipolar world”, in modern parlance – viciously competing for resources and dominance.
I think it is a mistake to compare the USSR in Afghanistan, and Russia in Syria. The history of the countries. And the peoples and terrain is totally different. Afghanistan was a “closed” society with little concept of a secular society. Syria is/was a modern society (for the MENA) with deep secular traditions. And unlike Afghanistan very diverse in its faiths. Two other major differences are that Russia doesn’t have an “ideology” it is trying to bring to Syria, as the USSR did in Afghanistan. And most importantly,unlike the USSR,Russia has strong allies (if they use them correctly) in Syria. While the USSR was forced to fight the Afghan War almost alone. The Afghan government forces supporting them were nothing of the quality as a fighting force that the SAA is.While the Iranians and Hezbollah forces are also helping the Syrian government in the Syrian War.
Oh, c’mon, don’t misquote me, I didn’t say Syria _equals_ Afghanistan. Afghanistan is in Central/South Asia, while Syria is in ME, and they speak different languages, don’t they. I only said Russia would get the same trashing in your “modern” Syria as the USSR got in its Afghanistan if it doesn’t quickly “make a deal” with its western club-partners. Who also have many, many, many “strong allies” around yer’ paragon of modernity. Hmm, let’s see: Free Syrian Army, People’s Protection Units, Syria Revolutionaries Front, Army of Mujahedeen, Islamic Front, Jabhat al-Nusra, Ghuraba al-Sham, al-Tawhid Brigade, Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, Jund al-Aqsa, State of Israel, Republic of Turkey … … … did I miss anybody?… Right, ’tis tough to be a participant in a multi-polar imperial internecine squabble nowadays.
Ouch! It sure sounded like comparing to me , “It doesn’t want another Afghanistan on its back (USSR was even a superpower when it tried and failed in that place). ” But maybe I was wrong. I do reject that the USSR was “trashed” in Afghanistan though. They realized that a full win would cost an enormous effort. And wasn’t worth continuing. I don’t see the situation at all the same in Syria. The vast numbers of Afghans sided with the enemy. While its the opposite in Syria. Even though we hear a lot about foreign fighters in Afghanistan the vast majority were native Afghan. While in Syria its the opposite again from most reports. Most of the Daesh are foreign and not Syrians.And to my thinking the last thing good for Russia would be a “deal” with her “Western pardners” there. They would have absolutely no intention of keeping to it. And wouldn’t keep to any of their commitments.As we can see today over the ceasefire and so-called peace talks.
While I cannot disagree with most of what you said, I particularly cannot disagree with: “… the last thing good for Russia would be a “deal” with her “Western pardners” there …” You are right, of course not good for Russia! I did not say good for Russia, but good for the capitalists who are in power in Russia. Just a friendly advice, un consiglio amichevole per la mafia. Whenever there is an imperial squabble over booty, a man gotta know when to stop – say “basta”, mak’-a-deal & tak’-a-share – or else nobody gets nutin’, go home to mama empty-handed, mak’-a new movie “Why Did We Fight?”…
Ay chico,when you mean a particular group of people you need to specify you are talking about that group. When you use terms signifying the nation. I’m not clever enough to read your mind for the intent. I can only figure it from the words you use. Thanks. I must agree that there is a disconnect between the “needs” of Russia ,the nation.And the “wants” of some of her wealthy 5th column citizens. I think the old saying “be careful what you wish for,you might just get it” fits there. Any short term personal gains they might make by collaborating in “deals” with the West will come back to bite them. They are only important to the West if Russia is a strong power. If she was a weak dismembered puppet. They would be useless to the West. And quickly replaced by Western companies and other more easily controlled Russian stooges. So they would be figuratively,and in some cases maybe literally, signing their own death warrants.
Yes, you are right. I too am in favour of precision.
In my first comment above I did unequivocally point to the dichotomy between the interests of peoples and the interests of capitalist rulers, in all the capitalist countries, which of course includes Russia: I did spell out Lenin’s known observation about imperialism as the last stage of capitalism.
And we today are witness to a clash of economic and geopolitical imperial interests on a gigantic scale. Syria being one of its momentarily visible points. While the smoke is emanating from all over the planet.
One must be forgiven if one finds it impossible not to step back and look at the whole scene, as opposed to succumbing to taking sides in an urban mêlée to the tune “I prefer my SOB to their SOB”.
I have this feeling, that b4 this is all said and done, mecca and surroundings will not be suitable for habitation for a few hundred years.
That said why not get it over with methinx, why wait for the gangrene to spread further?
Intsresting analisys from Prague, closest to my heart as coming out of a sorta kinda semi official body…watch for the sjw’s mindless rush to the exit as soon as the shroud of polcorrectness lifted. Nothing, NOTHING would please me more, than if we cound ship all those so inclined to meet their brathaz in mecca just in time for our little reconstruction project…
https://m.youtube.com/results?search_query=should+we+fear+islam
…Now, I will read the article…
What I see in this comment is an anti-Islamic post. Not an anti-Extremist/Jihadi post But one attacking Islam as a faith. And its no different than if it was turned around and an anti-Christian was saying that Christian Holy Places should be destroyed. One major danger in our World today is that the anti-Muslims find a way to shield their dislike of Islam behind the fight against Daesh (“overlooking” the fact that 90% of Daesh’s “victims” are Muslim,not others).Just as the West’s hatred of Putin brings out all the Russophobes who hate Russians for being Russian.And the hatred of Israel lends a cover to Jew-haters to hate on all Jews. I believe we need to be vigilant,and reject it when we see it.
Wow uncle, you have an amazing ability to grasp the obvious…:-)”
Haha,thank you,one of my many talents. Though I really excel at 20/20 vision.One of the reasons,I suppose I love history so much,lol.
Peronally, I find sarcasm unintelligent and gratuitous. Not everyone here has your knowledge of current events, and what is “obvious” to you may be interesting and informative for newer readers.
James…
You are so right! Sarcasm is such a dangerous weapon … I dread even imagine what it could do to the World if unleashed… Here, see for yourself:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fNvi6xG-5Y
The enemy of free world are the Natoists – not Anglo-Zionists
Greek protesters burn NATO & EU flags at Crete military base (VIDEO)
Amid heavy police presence, the protesters, led by Greek MP and Communist Party member Manolis Syntychakis, burned EU and NATO flags in front of the cameras. Holding protest banners and chanting anti- NATO slogans, the crowd delivered a letter bearing a list of demands to Air Force Colonel Ioannis Gerolimos, commander of the Hellenic Air Force base.
https://www.rt.com/news/344796-greece-protesters-nato-base/
@ Nato-ist for money
The Natoists as well as the EU are fully owned by the Anglo-zionists, right? Lets not confuse the issue.
” Who will get Mecca after Saudis are ousted ”
That’s an easy one. It’ll be a pro-western / “democratic” government, installed by the US, who will immediately “forgive” all US debts owed to it. It will be run by a prime minister who has lived in the Us for the past few decades. With a parliament full of reformist feminist / lesbian “empowered” Moslem women and gays. Its national bank will be immediately put under the control of a “Saudi ” duel citizen from Israel, trained at Harvard Economic school. Naturally, an application will follow for Saudi Arabia to join NATO.
Yes, but not before all the Aramco assets have been sold off (shore) to private equity in tax havens whence a multitude of parasitic ‘princelings’ will congregate to continue their irrelevance as 21st century unemployed goat herders.
Scott, You are a very naughty boy – but I like the way you write – and your sense of humour – just tell your mate The Saker – that he has got some serious competition – no its not you – but maybe some day.
Whilst the Translation from French into English is not completely perfect – the content is exceedingly interesting if you want to know what our supposed World Leaders have been up to since 1975.
I reckon Thierry Meyssan might make World Journalist of The Year 2016 – on this form.
O.K. – He’s French – no one’s perfect – the stuff he writes is spell bounding – and he doesn’t make it up unlike our detritus who work for The Sun, The Telegraph, The Mail – and The BBC
“G7, the summit of Western hypocrisy by Thierry Meyssan”
http://www.voltairenet.org/article192049.html
Extracts…
“In this photograph, which was banned from publication in a number of countries, we see President Dmitri Medvedev drunk at the 2011 summit.”
© Voltaire Network
“Of the 9 official members of the G7, 2 have a double voice – the United States can count on the President of the European Commission, the Luxemburger Jean-Claude Juncker, who was obliged to resign from his functions as Prime Minister after it was revealed that he belonged to the Gladio network (NATO secret services). As for Germany, it counts on the President of the European Council, the Pole Donald Tusk, whose family has been linked to the Merkel family since the beginning of the Cold War.”
(If you don’t know what The Gladio Network was – then you probably don’t know about the death of Aldo Moro. It doesn’t matter if you are The Prime Minister – of say Italy – if they don’t like you – The CIA will kill you).
“From now on, the G7 is no more than a simple formatting class, where the United States and Germany indicate the language fomulae that their vassals are required to adopt.”
Now come on – do you seriously think that – David William Donald Cameron – could have any influence whatsoever on any of these people? (I assume they are human). Even when he is photographed amongst them – especially if Putin is there – he looks (now how should I put it politely) “extremely uncomfortable”.
Cameron has got a crap job. Sometimes, I almost feel sorry for him. He may not be a “Natural” complete and utter psycho unlike Anthony Charles Lynton Blair – who obviously enjoyed it,
Tony
Thanks, Tony
II jus want to add a kink here to an article in RI of President Vladimir Putin’s greeting to participants in a session of the Russia – Islamic World Strategic Vision Group.
Putin: Russia Ready to Help Islamic World Counter Global Challenges and Threats
“I would like to confirm that in Russia the Islamic world will always find a reliable friend and an ally, who is ready to help counter global challenges and threats and help solve current problems”
http://russia-insider.com/en/russia-ready-help-islamic-world-counter-global-challenges-and-threats-putin/ri14636
Scott, Blimey – you replied to me – I’m honoured…
I don’t know about you – but I reckon the bloke – who I just replied to is Scottish (My Grandparents – were on My Mother’s side – My wife and I are English)
Republicofscotland,
Yeh – but that is all relatively mild “UK” schoolboy stuff…they might seriously dislike each other…but they have no plans to kill each other (well not so far as I know)
What you need to realise is that – they are all very seriously constrained – about what can actually get published – and they also have this other problem (most of them – are a bit thick – not exactly the brightest light in the pig trough – whilst they are all pissing in the same pot (with the possible exception of Mhairi Black))
The more important question – if you have any real interest in what was formerly known as Democracy – is what can be done – to ensure a fair result in the forthcoming EU Referendum…
It seems to me – that using various techniques – the most obvious are those that were used in The Scottish Referendum – and those that Craig Murray has already written about – interference in the postal vote system – wide open to massive corruption – by those who can gain access (inside job?)
I realise my perception is anecdotal (most of my friends are much the same age as me – despite the fact that we often have completely different political views – on the rare occasions that such things are discussed) – but also just by casual random observation of the Internet..
It seems to me about 75-25 not 50-50
Now I won’t display any political bias by indicating which way I am going to vote – and maybe my perception is wrong – but be honest
what do you reckon?
I reckon they will bend the result – and there is nothing we can do to stop them.
Well you Scottish didn’t manage it – and some of you are quite lairy
Tony
Tony,
I apologize for the typos. I tried to use my phone, which is always a bad idea.
As for the Brexit referendum…
As you have mentioned, rightfully, humanity is divided into three major groups: those who have individual pots to piss, those who share a communal pot, and those who have no pot at all. Those in the middle are terrified of a thought that they might have to go down and to join those at the bottom. That’s why they do anything in their power not to rock the boat.
The UK will leave the EU only with the dissolution of the union, and not a day too soon.
It’s doesn’t matter how people vote, it’s truly doesn’t
Mark Twain — ‘If voting made any difference they wouldn’t let us do it.’
@Scott:
“””””The UK will leave the EU only with the dissolution of the union, and not a day too soon.
It’s doesn’t matter how people vote, it’s truly doesn’t “””””
It’s rare now, but here I agree with you 100%.
They will probably not even need to rig the vote, because a massive brainwashing is in place there (as I saw and “experienced” myself in Heathrow, when coming via Siberia from China in winter).
And if not, then they would rig the vote.
And if all that’s not enough: They would ignore this “non-binding” referendum, as we most recently saw in the Netherlands, and before that with the Lsbin treaty aka “EU Constitution”
Austria and Scotland, now Brexit – what a MSM freakshow …
Onlye purpose: To once and for all times silence all critiques!
a bit like EU controlling/ dissent over TTIP???
extract
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The European Commission president will ask EU leaders to reaffirm their commitment to the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) at the European Council next month. It comes after several politicians spoke out amid tense negotiations.
“President [Jean-Claude] Juncker feels that the time has come to ask heads of state and governments of the European Union to have a new discussion on where we are and where we want to get with these negotiations,” EU Commission spokesperson Daniel Rosario said in a Monday statement.
He went on to state that talks on the controversial deal are advancing and entering a crucial phase, and that EU leaders will be asked by Juncker to reconfirm their commitment to the Commission’s mandate at a summit on June 28-29.
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© Eric VidalGovernment capitulation on TTIP driven by unlikely Tory-Labour alliance
Both the Commission and Washington are aiming to conclude talks on TTIP by the end of this year, though skepticism surrounding the deal has made that goal seem highly unlikely to achieve.
Juncker has expressed frustration with EU leaders who approved the negotiating mandate in 2013 and have since become critical of the deal.”
https://www.rt.com/news/344939-ttip-eu-confirm-deal/
Brits “Appalled, Disgusted” At Brexit Postal Ballot ‘Fraud’
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-05-30/brits-appalled-disgusted-brexit-postal-ballot-fraud
Islam is an ideology. Article shows it. Islam has nothing to do with a religion.
All three Abraham religions are for no good. Abandon them.
“… P.S.: “Panama Papers” reveal that King of Saudi Arabia was a sponsor of Benjamin Netanyahu’s political campaign…” is a crazy hoax, according to Buzzfeednews here http://tinyurl.com/jstbhkn