Day 21 of the Russian special military operation – 3 questions

Today, I begin with this: something I would call a good summary of CNN’s wishful thinking

This has everything!

Putin is a “pure thug”
Russians are indiscriminately murdering civilians en masse
“Ex-KGB” “agent” says what his CIA handlers tell him to
Klitschko is as verbally clever as he always is
China is about to screw Russia over
Drones threaten NATO (apparently including Ukie ones?)
A retired colonel opines that Russia is running out of manpower
US casualties in Kiev

And against this deluge of lies, Bernhard at Moon of Alabama does a superb job deconstructing that kind of crap, see here: https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/03/neo-nazis-in-ukraine-fake-incidents-to-gain-more-western-support.html.

But it feels like such an uneven and lopsided battle…

How are we, private individuals with no government or corporate support supposed to beat this?

I guess we will fight for as long as God gives us strength.

Anyway,

There were a few cities liberated today, here is the machine translation of Boris Rozhin’s report:

1. Mariupol. The cleanup of the city continues successfully. Advanced units reach the central areas, the enemy is gradually pushed back to Azovstal. Civilians continue to leave the city. The military on the ground are talking about the timing of the liberation of Mariupol – 4-7 days.

2. Ugledar. The village has not yet been officially taken, but to the north of it the troops are already advancing to Bogoyavlenka, with a subsequent movement to Kurakhovo. Prechistovka is taken from the west of Ugledar, which creates prerequisites for both movement to the north and for a U-turn to Velikaya Novoselka.

3. Maryinka-Avdiivka. There are no particularly serious advances yet. It is impossible to overcome the enemy’s powerful fortified areas with a rush. Aviation and artillery are trying to make the task easier, but so far the cumulative effect of multi-day strikes has not yet been achieved.

4. Gorlovka. Novotoretsk remained for the DPR. The APU counterattacks to retake the village were repulsed. Tomorrow, perhaps, the advance will begin either to Novoselka-2, or in the direction of New York.

5. LNR. They took Rubezhnoye, the enemy withdrew to Severodonetsk, where persistent street fighting continues. Lisichansk is not being actively stormed yet. The liberation of these cities is a matter of time. Fighting continues in the western part of Popasnaya, the city is not yet fully controlled by the LPR, the enemy stubbornly clings to it.

6. Kharkiv. Active fighting to the east of the city. There is no information confirming the occupation of even a part of Chuguev by the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation yet. In Izyum, the enemy continues to defend themselves in the southern part of the city and tries to unblock the road in the Kamenka area, where the fighting is going on near the Izyum-Slavyansk highway. The front from the north is gradually shifting towards Slavyansk.

7. Kiev. Attempts of the APU to be active on the Vyshgorod-Gostomel-Bucha line ended with serious losses of the APU in people and equipment. A serious counteroffensive failed. It is noted that the Western grouping of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continues to methodically press south, trying to get out and gain a foothold in the Vasilkov area. In the east, Ukrainian sources report the occupation of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation of several villages on the outskirts of Brovary. There is no confirmation of this from our side yet.

8. Sumy and Chernihiv. Without major changes.

9. Nikolaev. Fighting north of the city. The city itself is blocked from three sides, but there is no assault. The transfer of reinforcements for the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation through Kherson is noted. The Armed Forces of Ukraine expect the activation of operations of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in this direction in the coming days.

10. Odessa. The ships of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation work on targets on the coast, complementing the work of aviation. There are no landing events, but the enemy is forced to keep serious forces here, for fear of missing the moment of the exhibition. The Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation, having won complete dominance at sea, now performs a binding role, forcing the enemy to keep troops near Odessa that would be useful in the area of Nikolaev or Krivoy Rog.

Finally, no map today (I am too tired to wait for Readovka)

A final comment:

A mini-Banderastan next?

I think that we are headed for a partition of the Ukraine.

The Poles, who are currently feeling very heroic (as they always do when there is a civil war in Russia), will probably take the western Ukraine.

The pretext will be some kind of “Russian atrocity”.

NATO will call it a peacekeeping/peacemaking operation.

Question 1: in your opinion, can Russia afford to have a non-demilitarized and non-denazified (landlocked) mini-Banderastan if the rest of the Ukraine is liberated?

I guess is that the devil would be in the details.

For one thing, we need to keep in mind that Russia’s goal is a fundamental change in the European collective security environment. How likely is that?

I would say that not likely at all for the foreseeable future. First, the full magnitude of the economic suicide of the Eurolemmings has to become self-evidently clear, visible, undeniable and obvious. This will take weeks and even months to become fully obvious.

Second, right now the USA, Poland and the UK want war. Thus any mini-Banderastan will be fully NATO-run (as much as Poland or Estonia). If that mini-Banderastan can be veritably disarmed from any weapon systems capable of threatening Russia, then maybe something can be negotiated. If all the Ukie Nazis want to live there, well that’s fine by me, as long as the rest of the Ukraine can truly and firmly lock that border. That might require Russians to create a Russian military base somewhere west/southwest of Kiev with a function similar to the 201st base in Tadjikistan. And no, this is not a “good” solution, but that assumes better options.

Question 2: is there a better option? Do you think that the Russian tanks should drive all the way to the western Ukraine and, if yes, how long do you want them to say?

Lastly, there is the issue of border.

Question 3: If a NATO “peacekeeping force” is detected approaching the Ukrainian border, should Russia wait until they cross to strike, or shall Russia repeat what she just did in Iavorov but inside Poland?

To tell you the truth, I am increasingly becoming convinced that until Russia fires a few Iskanders/Kalibrs into NATO territory (Poland or Romania for example) the Eurolemmings will not come back to their senses.

Do you share that feeling?

And, finally, please stay on topic!

Thank you

Andrei

Ferdl on March 18, 2022 · at 5:25 am EST/EDT

I disagree with your answers to the three questions. Well, in the case of the first question I disagree with what you say about the context of the question not with the direct answer to the question.

Q1: What I disagree with is that the Poles will invade if by that you mean that they will integrate the territory into their state. I can see a Nato intervention. But they would create a puppet regime which directly reports to Washington or whereever the foreign leaders of the Western Empire reside. Whether or not Russia can live with a Banderastan? My answer: They should try to live with it for the time being. Try to sort out the rest of Ukraine, include them into your economic system. Try to increase their wellbeing. Don’t allow your own elite to rob them of their ressources (this temptation will be a problem). With Banderastan gone a relatively large part of the rest of Ukraine will be Russians. They should be willing to integrate into the sphere of influence of Moskow if the elites from Russia make sure that they can prosper.

Banderastan on the other hand will be transformed into a hell hole by the west. They will have to pray to the LGBT gods. They will be robbed of whatever ressources might be left there. The smart part of the population will leave for Warsaw, Berlin, London or New York. Banderastan will become a protectorate of the West controlled by non-christians who despise Ukranians no less than they despise Russians or any other European people.

Banderastan will become a problem only if the population in the inland region between the Dnjepr (spelling) and Banderastan would be willing to fight a guerilla war against the Russians in order to join Banderastan. If I understand things correctly, that part of the country is substantially more Ukranian than Russian (maybe this is incorrect, but my understanding is that the Russians dominate only east of the Dnjepr and along the coast of the Black Sea). I don’t know how strong those Ukranians feel about them being different from Russians. That is something that might have changed a lot in the past 20 years. Ukraine ist to Russia something like the Dutch are to Germany. Most of the Netherlands where part of the original lands of the Franks who created Germany; large parts of Ukraine were part of the Kievan Rus which was one of the first powerful Russian kingdoms. The Dutch still have an anthem in which their hero affirms to “be of german blood”. But to a modern day dutch who has grown up under permanent anti-german propaganda that characterizes their school system and their media since WWII, it probably would be the worst possible offense if you called him a “quasi-german” or something like that. The same development has probably been going on in Ukraine for at least a decade. And a decade is a long time to radicalize people.

Q2: Whether or not the Russians should drive their tanks all the way to the Polish boarder depends on how well defended that part of the country is. If there are no armies there or if Russia can easily prevent the building of defensive systems during the time that they need to boil the eastern armies in their couldrons, then they should go there, make a deal with the Banderastan-Mafia, create a state which puts the neutrality and whatever other guarantees the Russians want into their constitution (maybe one or two Russian military bases) and then move out again. Just don’t let yourselves be drawn into a long civil war in those western parts of Ukraine if the population there is hostile to Russia.

If instead Banderastan is reasonably well defended and the defense forces are fiercly supported by the local population, then I would avoid moving in. In that case I would concentrate on making the rest of Ukraine a nice place to live. And if part of the proper Ukranians want to leave the Russian occupied Ukraine, then let them go.

Q3: This is the question where I disagree most strongly with you. Let the West declare the war. Don’t fall for the provocations. Don’t bomb any location 1 cm west of the border. If a western army moves in bomb it once it is within Ukraine. Transporting a meaningful amount of weapons into Ukraine requires a huge logistic effort. Once Nato forces cross into Ukraine then the Russians should react and they should also consider firing directly at positions in Poland, the Baltic countries, Romania, and in whatever Nato country where the helpers of the foreign elites are most aggressively pushing for war.

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KB-West Vet on March 17, 2022 · at 10:44 pm EST/EDT

“I guess we will fight for as long as God gives us strength.” – thanks and yes, very much so. To your questions…

“Q1:…can Russia afford to have a non-demilitarized and non-denazified (landlocked) mini-Banderastan”
A: Yes, its all about proximity and size (& even state affiliation) in regards to RF…

“Q2: is there a better option? Do you think that the Russian tanks should drive all the way to the western Ukraine and, if yes, how long do you want them to say?”
A: Honestly, Yes! March west to the the borders and denazify & demilitarize the entire country, set up a friendly – or at least neutral self governmental force and retreat to Ukrainian territory that is pro Russian and create a demarcation line/new border. Let them have there little pieces which eventually will get absorbed into Poland, Hungary and what not. Just look at how badly the Hungarian minority has been treated in the last 10 years… they will do the job of splitting the remaining part.

“Q3: If a NATO “peacekeeping force” is detected approaching the Ukrainian border, should Russia wait until they cross to strike, or shall Russia repeat what she just did in Iavorov but inside Poland?”
A: As Russia has always tried to play by the rules, warn them and at the moment they cross the border annihilate them. No point of attacking them on NATO territory when you don’t know if it’s just a bluff to get NATO engaged into WW3…

My two cents, but what do I know… ;)
- imo on March 17, 2022 · at 11:02 pm EST/EDT
  
  “As Russia has always tried to play by the rules …”
  
  Whether this is true or not, the past is not relevant in these times.
  The US (& its nato poodles) have been saying for several years that it is now (in their view) a “Rules Based Order.”
  
  The Russians (& V. Putin as a lawyer in particular) are a little slow in this domain in their appeal to law and principled traditions. That era has gone for a period in the cycle.
  
  The West is now overcome with Outlaws (‘exceptionalism’) and bandits in much the same way a few uki-nazi types can strong-arm a whole disorientated bankrupt nation into compliance (with a few $QE-forever mates at a safe Atlantic Ocean distance).
  
  The mode of operation at the moment is (regrettably) the other ‘golden’ rule — he who has the gold, makes the rules. The Russians would do us all a favor if they just stand their ground, make the rules they want to operate with, and then let the geopolitical world economy reconfigure around that new emerging axis-of-relevance.
North East on March 17, 2022 · at 10:49 pm EST/EDT

Question 1 : Hard NO . Alas, Russia has to take it all as a protectorate / neutral territory. Leaving things unfinished begs for trouble. Right sector didn’t appear out of thin air. No one should kid themselves of what de-nazification means. Multiple, integrated, and comprehensively rounds for at least 10 years – maybe double that: Criminal and civil prosecutions, major structural changes to Ukrainian society, laws, enforcement actions, etc.
Anyone who has ever had to treat a hardy internal parasite infection knows exactly how daunting the
task is. In the same vein, treatment extends to control of the external environment so I can foresee the
western border of Ukraine as being one of the most heavily armed, heavily mined, and surveilled DMZ zones
in the world. A DMZ is a prerequisite condition in the face of a non-cooperative EU.

Realize that it has to be this way for the next 50 -100 years or until Western Europe has a deep civilizational
introspection. Right now and maybe for decades, it doesn’t appear western Europe is particularly capable let alone willing to do that. If they were, the conflict would have never gotten anywhere close to the point that it has today – even under the harshest goading from the US. Seems like there’s a dark elusive pathology that runs very deep in the culture. Whatever it is, I think it may take at least two generations to run its course, probably by the passing of the ‘old guard(s)’. Simply, it may have been too soon for good European and Russian relations based on mutual respect. That falls to the next generation. Or the one after the next. Meanwhile, the world is a big place to make a lot of new friends.

Here’s another argument – there’s a moral duty to take all of Ukraine so that the sacrifices of the dead and persecuted are honored and not sold at a 50% discount (partition) to nations who profited from the killings. On a pragmatic level, a rump partition means X percent less reaction time from incoming missiles and drones. So the only partition should be in the form of a heavily defended DMZ and ADZ for the foreseeable future.

2. Yes – and answered by question 1. It doesn’t have to be only Russian tanks on the western border. SCO and CTSO members could work one-year rotating shifts – compensation to be worked out in trade.

3. I concur with others. Under no circumstance should Russia strike into NATO unless to return fire on the bases that that the attacks originated from. Seems much cheaper to deter the influx of weapons, trained fighters, drones with the hard DMZ suggested in the 1st answer. Sometimes good fences make bad neighbors into good neighbors – eventually.
- Kerwas on March 18, 2022 · at 2:27 am EST/EDT
  
  to your 1: i think if Russia would go down the full spectrum sanction Wars it would not even take 8 Years. We have already serious disstress in Europe cause of our Sanction backlash ONLY. Russia alone could let implode Europe and hope full will do so fast, imangine if they team up with China. This whole mess could be over in months if they are serious. And if they care even a bit for the Europe civilians they will do so.
Tec on March 17, 2022 · at 10:51 pm EST/EDT

1- Não! E, quanto antes os Chechenos de Kadirov o pessoal LNDR que não tem por assim dizer, muita polidez ao fornecerem adubo se demorarem, maior o risco de a OTAN se reagrupar e entrar no Oeste ou pela Polônia.
2- Não! É hora de o RF avisar aos Chineses para tomar conta da retaguarda e, agrupar forças no Oeste, algumas tropas na Transnitria e Kaliningrado, reforços em Tartuz, não precisa mais que isso.
3- Essa pergunta Putin já respondeu a muito tempo… ” – Nunca mais em Território Russo…” pode acreditar, será assim.
Provavelmente teremos algumas cidades na Europa e nos EUA onde você escorregará como se fosse gelo em pleno verão…
Também veremos alguns locais ermos no Canadá, Austrália, Nova Zelândia e Reino Unido (centros de comunicação dos “cinco olhos) vitrificados além daquele bunquer construído a uns dez ou doze anos atrás em Israel.
:-!

MOD: Please add your own translation before you post ,as Saker asked.We many times don’t have the time to do it for you.

1- No! And the sooner Kadirov’s Chechens have LNDR personnel who are not, so to speak, very polite in providing fertilizer if they delay, the greater the risk that NATO will regroup and enter the West or through Poland.
2- No! It’s time for the RF to warn the Chinese to take care of the rear and, assembling forces in the West, some troops in Transnitria and Kaliningrad, reinforcements in Tartuz, it doesn’t need more than that.
3- This question Putin answered a long time ago… ” – Never again in Russian Territory…” believe me, it will be so.
We will probably have some cities in Europe and the USA where you will slide like ice in the middle of summer…
We’ll also see some wild places in Canada, Australia, New Zealand and the United Kingdom (‘five eyes’ communication centers) glazed beyond that bunker built some ten or twelve years ago in Israel.
:-!
Steve Ramsey on March 17, 2022 · at 10:55 pm EST/EDT

There is no point in Russia stopping short unless they feel it’s militarily untenable. It’s not like they have been left with any potential rewards, so they may as well go all the way to the Polish border. Any left over Nazi’s can be rooted out later. Put constant pressure on them and leave them the options of escape, prison, or death. In a year or two they will all be gone or suppressed into irrelevance. If Russia doesn’t already know the identity of each one now, they soon will. Besides, going all in would drive home their point. And that point should be: Any proxy war you choose to fight against Russia won’t go your way. That being said, I am anti-war and would prefer the killing to stop right now but I am also clear headed and pragmatic. The west blew it by going all in with the Putin Russia hate right out of the gate, and there is now no reason at all for Russia to stop. After having made the mistake of ginning up a proxy war to unseat Putin and break up the Russian federation.
kampfbeobachter on March 17, 2022 · at 11:03 pm EST/EDT

From NATO point of view: Having the western Ukraine all Territory west of the Dnjepr under Polish control means at last a partial progress for NATO! However: the
loss of the Black Sea coast is a tremendous setback. Now Romania and Bulgaria are under increased pressure from the Russian Black Sea fleet. Sorry: But we have lost!

The entire exercise was of course to push Russia completely out of Ukraine, take the Crimea back and make Sevastopol a NATO naval base. From there on in due time Russia can be pushed back to the Wolga (advance on Stalingrad/Wolgograd cuts Russia off from the Kaukasus and Georgia, Azerbeitsan and Armenia can become NATO countries. Iran is then next.
John MR on March 17, 2022 · at 11:07 pm EST/EDT

+Saker

1) No. It can not afford to. However, I have no problem with leaving a territory the size of Honduras (like your map) with no military and no Nazis in it and call it Ucrania, and there are methods to deal with any prick who promotes fascism in that territory.

2) There is no other option. Slavic brothers were liberated. Western part will need to feel the hurt in an existential way, as a message to Poland, Hungary, Baltic Nations, Finland, Sweden, et al this is what happens if you dare face the Bear. As for how long, don’t know, but at least until every Bandera style batallion is whipped out to EVER pose a threat. Nuremburg the rest then leave. Rest of Ucraine just annex it. Let’s not kid the world it is different and apart from Russia proper. That lie is over. Outright annexation or mini states annexed into the RF.

3) This one is tricky because the threat will no longer be Ucraine any more. I mean just keep the MO like lavorov. Enter you die. Simple. But the rest of the E. European nation that are in NATO who have weapons of mass destruction against Russia will have to be taken out eventually. No other choice.
DR-Montreal on March 17, 2022 · at 11:08 pm EST/EDT

Questions 1 -3 Ans:

I am sure Putin and Russia would agree, but they need to absolutely crush any and all neo-nazis, puppet mercenaries whatsoever off Ukrainian territory, right up to the Polish border… and then talk peace, and subsequent withdrawal, probably east of the Dniepr. Never again such a noxious anti-Russian presence along their borders, and their borders now, start with the EU NATO puppet states. Take it or leave it.
SpecOps on March 17, 2022 · at 11:09 pm EST/EDT

Answer to Question 1:

No. However Russia will have to commit more forces and get serious. If it has solved the problem of weak signals for its robot Uran tanks it would be time to send those in as well.

Biolabs also exist in this area. There can be no compromises especially with a proven program of race specific bioweapons against Russian ethnicity. Destruction of biolab evidence shows intent to cover up and therefore malevolent intentions.

Answer to Question 2:

Russia may have to consider creating a demilitarized zone as a buffer against the spiritually diseased Eurolemming zone. In the area circled in black where final de-Nazification operations have to take place.

When Maidan took place, Moscow was 4 Oblasts away from the Enemy. This is unacceptably close for comfort.

A Banderastan will become a long term problem and source of sabotage operations like those against Crimea in the last 8 years. Again the biolabs creating race specific bioweapons. if not addressed now then when?

Russian forces while good like any army needs momentum. Its now on a war footing, there will never be a better time.

While west Ukraine has more in common with its past relationship with Austra-Hungary, provinces like Transcarpathia as Tom Luongo has suggested before can be handed over to them for their own to manage.

Although his suggestion about Lviv being handed to NATO poodle Poland is now unlikely given that was where the NATO run training center was leveled recently.

Civilian affairs, police, local militia will have to be run by Ukrainians like how Chechnya was made to work with Russia. This is to fulfil that promise of ‘not occupying Ukraine and its about de-nazification’ to countries that have now swung over to Russia’s side.

However fully armed Russian military installations complete with S-400s and above, a reasonable mix of semi-modern and modern equipment on high alert serving as ‘watchtowers’ will have to be permanently based far away from visible Ukrainian civilian sight in remote areas to manage the border when the Eurolemmings out of desperation attempt to go East as their countries crash and burn in the next decade or NATO tries something else. Russia may have to bolster its ranks to cover for this.

Answer to Question 3:

NATO has installed patriot missile batteries on the border with Ukraine in Poland. US has sent in at least 100 attack drones to Ukraine. US is also sharing high resolution intel of Russian troop movements and assets to Ukrainians using spy satellites on polar orbit.

These need to be neutralized as soon as Russia has plugged in any weaknesses in its defences against all scenarios of escalation including total global annihilation.

Either way damned if they do, damned if they don’t so whatever the NATO propaganda says should be water off a duck’s back at this point. This is about survival of the Russian Federation above all else.

And now with China and India backing them (and also sacrificing any future trade relationships with the west to stand with Russia) this also means Russian actions or lack of it will have long term consequences in the relationship between Russia and the rest of Eurasia. Those who have longed for their day to give Zone A the bleeding face it deserved but had none of the means that Russia has.

Unlike in the 2-faced ‘Zone A’, in Eurasia, one’s reputation is only as good as one’s word/promise. Russia understands this well.
Observer on March 17, 2022 · at 11:17 pm EST/EDT

Difficult to answer.
But, if I have to give one, this would be my answer:

Eastern Ukraine is Russia’s birthplace territory, Rus’Kiev.
Russia’s Western natural border should extends until the river.
Western Ukraine should be given to Poland under the condition of leaving N.A.T.O.
- Janek on March 18, 2022 · at 7:39 am EST/EDT
  
  Western Ukraine handed over in Poland will become a possible place for Israel’s evacuation, in the event of the collapse of the US and the rise of Iran.
Opport Knocks on March 17, 2022 · at 11:38 pm EST/EDT

A return to pre-1917 borders would be best. South and Eastern NovoRossiya could be a neutral state to mirror the neutral state in Western Ukraine. The Ukrainians in the east who want to be part of the EU can move to take the place of those who used the war to emigrate to the west.

Here is an excellent video of 2400 years of European border changes…
https://youtu.be/UY9P0QSxlnI

Nothing is sacrosanct.
Mihajlo on March 17, 2022 · at 11:48 pm EST/EDT

This whole this has been going on for too long. The stakes are being continuously increased, the rhetoric leaves no space to pull back, and everything seems poised for an escalation and eventually a nuclear war.

I hope I’m seeing things in a wrong way. But it seems pretty clear where this is going.
Exile on March 17, 2022 · at 11:49 pm EST/EDT

The goals of the peacekeepers remain unchanged and is on track.

Phase 1 (demilitarization) of the peacekeeping mission is nearly complete. The Ukrainian military consists of scattered units fighting isolated.

Phase 2 (denazification) requires the peacekeepers liberate Lvov and Western Ukraine with the election of a new government.

Phase 3 ( war crimes trials ) is likely to take a while.
Straight-Bat on March 17, 2022 · at 11:55 pm EST/EDT

The Saker,

My response to your questions are:

Question 1 & 2) – a non-denazified non-demilitarized “West Ukraine in the Right-Bank” is okay till next 3 – 4 years. By then, it will be clear how east European countries act on Russian proposal of no NATO base/ military installation in east Europe near Russia. If east Europe understands and agrees to Russian points, mini-Banderastan will follow them. If not, Russia will be forced to apply force to make them agree.
Conversely, if Russia is ready to take on the east European lapdogs of NATO now, then 1st guards tank army should pay a visit upto Poland and Romanian borders by April end. Russian foreign minister should remind polish-romanian-3B-czech-hungary-bulgaria governments about Russian demand on no NATO bases.

Question 3) If a NATO “peacekeeping force” is detected approaching the Ukrainian border, Russia should wait until they cross to strike. Russia should not strike inside Poland. As a military tactics/operation it may not sound great, but it makes complete sense in the international politics.
Стивен on March 17, 2022 · at 11:57 pm EST/EDT

Many commentators want to give Galicia back to Poland, after what Bandera scum did to Poles in the War, would Poland even want it. The Hungarian and Romanian parts of the Ukraine should be given the option of re-uniting with their kinfolk.

All the oblasts from Kharkov to Odessa (including Transnistra) should be encouraged to form a Confederation of Novorussia, along the lines of the Swiss cantons. Too many big fish in a small pond to achieve anything else at the moment.

Russia and hopefully China will help these Novorussian oblasts return the success they had during the Soviet Union. Russia should not take a single sot (100 sq.m.) of Ukrainian territory. After rebuilding, Novorussia can join the Union State and the EAEU.

The rest of the Ukraine should be left to fester in its corruption and criminality, but with warning that provocations like biolabs, or NATO membership will mean a repeat performance.
Uncle Bob on March 17, 2022 · at 11:57 pm EST/EDT

The Ukrainians still think they will defeat Russia. They are saying even if they sign a treaty with Russia the war is not over. Russia is going to have to fore an unconditional surrender or just totally defeat them no matter what it takes.

https://www.rt.com/russia/552183-ukraine-zelensky-putin-meeting/
- Perestroika on March 18, 2022 · at 5:32 am EST/EDT
  
  And that’s why despite all de MSM propaganda and distortions there IS some grain of truth that Russia progress in this operation is indeed NOT going smoothly by any stretch of imagination.
  
  Let’s be realistic here shall we. Zelensky just snubbed Putin. “We will meed him…. but only after the peace treaty is signed….” “Oh and by the way…… this will not mean the end of hostilities….. have a nice Day”.
  
  Doesn’t sound like he is in a rush, which means his regime won’t fall anytime soon. And this mega-operation is very costly for Russia and with the overt sabotage by the west with weapons etc….. Russia is taking a very big risk to keep playing this game.
  
  Meaning this: Either Putin prepares to cut the ROOT of the problem, which means, attacking NATO, or this quagmire (it’s already a quagmire let’s not kid ourselves) will present an even bigger risk for Russia than the status quo preceding the invasion.
  
  If Putin entered this war without making REALISTIC plans to take on NATO directly, only accounting only “negotiations” options (the west is not leaving ANY room for negotiations here)…. then Russia’s prospects for this whole situation aren’t good IMHO.
  - Alabama on March 18, 2022 · at 7:05 am EST/EDT
    
    Unless of course you underestimated the Russians, then you put your flat foot into a trap from which you cant escape and along comes Mary.
PJKar on March 18, 2022 · at 12:08 am EST/EDT

The thing is Putin stated he would de-Nazify Ukraine. So he has to clean it out of all the Nazi forces there .He cannot allow a mini-Banderastan where they could seek safe haven. Clearly that would run contrary to his stated goal. There is no way he can negotiate on this. He’s gotta clean it out one way or the other or it makes the whole effort seem pointless.
war is on on March 18, 2022 · at 12:23 am EST/EDT

To tell you the truth, I am increasingly becoming convinced that until Russia fires a few Iskanders/Kalibrs into NATO territory (Poland or Romania for example) the Eurolemmings will not come back to their senses.

I agree, what about the missiles launchers sites in POL+ROU?

Otherwise mini banderastan, will only delay and desplace a few hundreds kms the big problem which is first strike on Russia with hypersonics in 6 or 7 minutes, we would not even gain one minute?
Avianthro on March 18, 2022 · at 12:36 am EST/EDT

A1: Yes, I now think that Putin may have overstretched his goals a bit…should have limited his objective to the securing of the Donbass. Of course, I agree that it’s not desirable to have militarized NATO UkroNazis as your neighbors, but it is tolerable and the cost of trying to eliminate this could turn out to not be worth the benefit. There was some highly defensible moral high ground, even in the corrupted vision of the West’s sheeple, in securing the Donbass, but less so in the rest of the operation’s goals. We must remember that the greater threat over the long-term is not from military invasion into Russia, but from cultural and financial invasions that tend to erase the distinctiveness and sovereignty of Russia…must be steadfast against these things, not the realm of military power. Also, Russia must stay focused primarily on economic development along with China, creating an independent economic power block that stands as a strong second pole to prevent the corruption of the world under a monopolar Western totalitarian system. and striving to make the transition to renewable, earth-resource-sustainable economics ASAP. I worry too that Russia has already built its own military-industrial-complex and that this is sapping resources from more important goals. Russia need not be ready to do more that defend herself on her own territory as she has successfully done in the past.

A2: Better option is already given in principle within A1. No, my advice is that Russia should pull back now to a position of securing the Donbass. Prolonging this conflict and intensifying the civilian losses is exactly what the West wants them to do. The West already succeeded in leading Putin into a potential quagmire…better to pull out way before they can drain more precious blood, from Russia and of course from the poor Ukarianian pawn sheeple.

A3: No, Russia must not strike anything outside of Ukrainian borders but also must not allow anything to come in or be distributed to Uki forces. This may not be so easy to do, and hence the possibility does exist for this to turn into another Afghanistan for Russia. The media-crazed Western sheeple and their “leaders” are so hyped-up now that we really are on the verge already of direct warfare between nuclear powers, a situation way too dangerous to allow and just not worth it for the goal of securing all of Ukraine…stick with securing the Donbass, and learn to live with a bad neighbor who really can’t do much to hurt you, while trying to get rid of that neighbor in a long-drawn war with determined insurgents-guerrillas-Nazi AlQuaeda could be much more damaging.
Jorge L Borges on March 18, 2022 · at 12:41 am EST/EDT

Gordian knot !

Only Putin can untie or cut it like Alexander the Great !
Greifenberg on March 18, 2022 · at 12:43 am EST/EDT

Question1: in your opinion, can Russia afford to have a non-demilitarized and non-denazified (landlocked) mini-Banderastan if the rest of the Ukraine is liberated?
Yes and no. Russia can afford this under certain conditions. Obviously Banderastan must be neutral and demilitarized. Those that need to be brought to justice are tried. There must be a plebiscite indicating this is really what these people want. These are just a few conditions off the top of my head. I don’t really care if these people want to goose step around Swastikas on Saturday nights that’s their business.

Question3: If a NATO “peacekeeping force” is detected approaching the Ukrainian border, should Russia wait until they cross to strike, or shall Russia repeat what she just did in Iavorov but inside Poland?
Under the current conditions Russia should wait until this force crosses the border and then destroy it but this really depends on the size of the force. If this looks like a large invasion force destroy Poland and this force immediately. Any air, missle or artillery attack with an origin in Poland should be destroyed at the source.
MikeBa on March 18, 2022 · at 12:43 am EST/EDT

Dear Andrei
Yes I share the same feeling
Unfortunately I live in Poland since many years and the hate against Russia here is deep seeted.
I had a friend that is married to a Russian women and in the years he even brainwashed his woman.
Well now its not my friend anymore because I have the pro Russian position…..
I think the poles are prepared to meddle in the Ukraine, there is a lot of military movement going on and the collaboration with their big and best buddy USA is very active the last few years. I guess they will have to learn it the hard way again.
The problem is that Ww3 is looming around the corner and in Europe this doesn’t seam to bother too many people
I don’t know what it is maybe the vaccines or just general brainwashed populations but I have a very bad feeling and will probably leave Poland with my family in the next days.
Putin on the other side can not allow such a mini Banderastan that will be filled with billions worth of arms, probably nukes and Russophobes because that will guarantee the next conflict within a few year’s.
I guess Putin will wait for the Nato intervention and hit them with a real big hammer locally as a last warning.
The Nukes are ready the decision is on the retarted collectively brain dead West if they will fly or not
Not a very optimistic situation therefor.
Look at the european political leaders Scholz Macron Johnson etc etc.
Even Merkel that I hate would never had let this situation arrive to that point.
So hopefully there will be some intervention from God or some Alien otherwise humanity is on the brink of a distaster.
That is sarcasm but who knows..
Paul Greenwood on March 18, 2022 · at 12:47 am EST/EDT

This thread gets repetitive with views informed from media rather than Intelligence. Moscow has its gameplay with a range of scenarios. It also knows what backchannels are functional. It knows Turkey is wholly untrustworthy as is Israel

It knows UK will be isolated from EU totally by France and Germany and UK uses basket cases like Poland which has historical amnesia because of Kazszinski hatred of Russia and Baltic town councils of irrelevant military and economic value

USA wants only to keep NATO as guard dog so Eurostates do not defect from empire and UK is simply useful

China is very astute

Western Media is discredited by Covid Promo for Pfizer
Western Society imploded by revealing logistical ineptitude in every area

Ukraine is manageable unless you have to pay to rebuild which is why West wants Russia to have it all
Alpine on March 18, 2022 · at 12:51 am EST/EDT

Russia has no choice but to hit Poland when Ukraine is done. Take the USA maxim “we hit them there so we don’t have to hit them here” and apply it. If Russia does not this soup will keep boiling

My money is no one will retaliate physically, except try to win some countries to say “Russia, bad”. Whatever. Everything eventually comes to pass…
Ajeeb on March 18, 2022 · at 1:13 am EST/EDT

Russia has to fight it like an existential war, no second thoughts are needed, whatever, whoever remains to be threatening the Russian lives and existence of its statehood should be preempted, do not hesitate a nanosecond to strike wherever they are. Russia has enough to gain,
Ajeeb on March 18, 2022 · at 1:20 am EST/EDT

A planet sans Russian land mass and lives need not be existed, As Putin says we all would go to heaven as martyrs, until the Anglo Yank snake pits are burned out completely, none in the whole world would enjoy true peace. Enough is enough,
rosemerry on March 18, 2022 · at 1:38 am EST/EDT

I have just read the Biden threat to China not to dare help Russia . The “profound hostility” he claims come from China (and Russia) arises from his imagination of course, as the events you have unfolded have shown all along. China will obviously continue with its usual diplomatic words and actions, something the USA has never considered even worth thinking of. The desperation of Biden is really out in the open now.
Scuppers on March 18, 2022 · at 1:48 am EST/EDT

Q1: no, Russia cannot let a rump Ukraine/banderastan exist. 1) that would keep the current conflict going, fulfilling a US goal. 2) that would create a stable place for the US to infiltrate weapons and militants and continue to create mischief in larger ukraine, frustrating Russia’s larger goals in ukraine; it would be Al-Tanif redux.
Q2: 1) Russia needs to be seen to have won this conflict, and ukraine needs to be seen to surrender, and the government overthrown. A new provisional government needs to make peace with Russia, and then new elections for what remains of ukraine, in new borders, need to happen. Whatever ideas many had about the nature of a possible russian intervention in ukraine, stand off munitions, long range strikes, no occupation, those need to be thrown out the window; Russia will need to occupy and midwife (to borrow a phrase from the abominable nulland) the rebirth of the geographical region formerly known as ukraine. That’s easier to do behind the wall of Russian arms on the borders of Europe. 2) yes, Russia needs to drive to the borders of Ukraine and secure it. They cannot let a Syrian-ization of this conflict happen.
Q3) 1) for now, do not strike any such force outside Ukrainian territory. Wait until they cross into ukraine and then annihilate them. 2) I read recently that the 1st Gaurds are in Belarus, I assume to keep nato on good behavior, but also to come crashing down if a nato force moves in. Or to move against Poland if this conflict escalates. Putin himself said that if anyone moves in to ukraine to act against Russia then they become a party to the conflict. I take him at his word. Which leads me to the 4th, unasked question… what next?

4) I have stated, both at MOA, and here (though I think my comments have been deleted or modded out…can’t seem to find them) that if Russia goes kinetic in this long running dispute, then I see Russian arms standing on the Elbe. Nothing else makes sense to me.1) if the only ambitions of Russia are to solve the immediate crisis in Ukraine, and limit it to ukraine, and then let time work it’s magic and see what unfolds, then everything I wrote above holds true. 2) but that isn’t the only thing in Russia’s calculations. There are the non-ultimatum ultimatums. So, what next? Russia needs to remove nato arms from Eastern Europe and hold the gun to the US head. As Ryabkov stated “move, or we will move you.” So ukraine is just the first act in this play. Biden said that he’d defend every inch of nato territory, but is he really ready to die and lose it all over the 3B+P? Over Romania? I doubt it. East Germany? Maybe. So maybe we see Russians on the Oder. But there is a whole lot more coming our way, and we’re walking on a thin thin line here. And if I’m correct, then no, Russia cannot just partition ukraine and be done with it.
- Scuppers on March 18, 2022 · at 2:49 am EST/EDT
  
  I said “Biden” but what I really meant is “is the US” really ready to die over the 3B process+P+R? Czechia will roll over like the good Shvejcks they are. Slovakia is a non entity, and Hungary sees how the winds are blowing. Inter state relations are brutal, not pretty, but that’s the world we live in when the UN fails to uphold its mission.
Prowall on March 18, 2022 · at 1:53 am EST/EDT

Q3. Thinking about the ‘legitimacy’ of some sanctions targeting Russian people ‘because they are the Inner circle’ or ‘because the revenue cane sustain the belligerent effort’, in that way the Mr. Shoigu’s idea is absolutely correct.
Alfred (Antalya) on March 18, 2022 · at 1:53 am EST/EDT

This is an excellent video. A British guy went off to Ukraine by train from Poland. He filmed until 09/03/22. He shows clearly how the Ukrainian government is cooperating with the MSM of the West to present a false narrative – just like with “Covid”.

I believe the Ukrainian government is itself shutting services such as water, electricity, district heating, internet, food stores and mobile telephony in selected suburbs so as to give the impression that the populace is under attack from Russian troops. They blow up empty derelict buildings and pretend it is Russian shelling.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/j2sGi1AFLJ12/
Parfois on March 18, 2022 · at 1:58 am EST/EDT

I posted the following comment hours ago but technology snuffed it. Hope it gets through now:

“I am rushing to answer Question 3 in regards to its legality under international law. Firstly, one has to take into account the overall scope of the “special military operation” and whether it is permitted under the “self-defence” exception. It has already been discussed here and elsewhere that it is, a measure of last resort considering the deaf-ears in response to Russia’s many appeals to stop the NATO march to its borders. Besides, under the “collective defence” exception (the same excuse for NATO’s existence) Russia was bound to come in to defend its allied Novorossyian republics. Once that main threshold is crossed, any military action is justified if there is nexus between its execution and the overall purpose of self-defence. If a NATO force is assembled in Poland with the object of intervening in the on-going hostilities, it is fair game. Of course it could be argued that its purpose was the defence of Poland, but any objective analysis of the situation on the ground would easily dismiss such excuse. So the answer is YES, Russia could legally attack such NATO force if it was an imminent danger to its forces.”
- Parfois on March 18, 2022 · at 2:19 am EST/EDT
  
  As an after thought:
  
  By the way, the same doctrine and reasoning could be applied to the destruction of the missile sites under the spurious guise of being “defensive” (the same Orwellian description for the War Department) stationed in Poland and Romania if there were clear military and political indications (i.e. threats, policies, hostile intentions short of declaration of war) that Russia’s self-defence was critically compromised by the existence of such offensive weapons. Here the element of proportionality would come into play to legitimate such destruction, that is, only the offending sites would be fair game.
- Exile on March 18, 2022 · at 2:30 am EST/EDT
  
  The BioWarfare WMDs provide more than enough legal justification for the peacekeeping mission.
Captain Phoebus they/them on March 18, 2022 · at 1:59 am EST/EDT

Andrei,
I kind of agree with point 2, that Russia needs to kill a chicken to scare the monkeys.
But which chicken? Can’t be a NATO chook unfortunately.
Exile on March 18, 2022 · at 2:07 am EST/EDT

German newspaper interview with Mayor of small town in West Ukraine. illuminates the desperation of the Ukie Army – sending untrained men to fight.

‚Yesterday I was a civilian, today I sent 20 soldiers to the front lines‘

https://app.handelsblatt.com/politik/international/ukraine-krieg-gestern-noch-zivilist-heute-habe-ich-20-soldaten-an-die-front-geschickt/28168504.html
Kerwas on March 18, 2022 · at 2:12 am EST/EDT

1: No, Russia CAN’T afford ANY shit going on in Ukraine, by any stretch.
Therefore
2: Yes it should take All of Ukraine. Stop be that whiny and send the “normal” amount of Forces into this mess it has created, cause the longer they wait, the more options has NATO and more time to build up something useful.

Being that careful to the civic, is venerable, but if they slow down the overtaking even more NATO will find a option to seriously hurt the Operation and then the purpose of this whole thing is naught (to NOT amplify the pain on russia side)

Denazification should be public by russia and documented live and in full detail. any evidence, regardless how horrific, must be open for the public to see. If some country’s want to investigate by themself, they should be allowed to.

Important is to speed up the overtaking, cause NATO is Hellbend on War. Even if the Officers in Poland realized, since the Lyvrov Strike, how a Full scale War against modernized Russia would look like they will, in the end, do what they insane told them. Also for the same reason i mentioned Days ago, they should start blocking ANY Westbound Export, period. the disruption of such a sanction could very easy bogg down any and all NATO build up and let Europe implode.

3:Only if they Cross the Border, but then without warning and with full force of their artillery. They should incorporate Belarus into this, like lukashenko insisted, and capture the Border region with them. As far as i known they have already assembled a Force up there.
Rafael X on March 18, 2022 · at 2:13 am EST/EDT

1) Can Russia afford Minibaderastan?

No. MiniBanderastan would just be half-ass result, just deferring the security issue. Too much cost for cheap result.

2) Is there a better option than allow MiniBaderastan ?

There most likely is but it is not currently known to general public.

3) If a NATO force approaches Ukrainian border, should Russia wait or strike inside Poland?

Not inside Poland. If force are US soldiers, evaporate them after crossing. If they are European soldiers, allow fair warning and chance to withdraw, perhaps with a demonstration to demoralize them.
Jaime on March 18, 2022 · at 2:16 am EST/EDT

Such difficult questions. Ukraine should be Russia’s strategic depth. Therefore, the more space it can control the better. However, the problem is NATO’s continuous flow of all kinds of matériel to the remnants of the Azov and other neo Nazi thugs. In the end, since this is a struggle similar to the Patriotic War, Russia might as well go to the bitter end. Perhaps Poland -one of the most vassal-like and anti Russian NATO states should taste the full power of Russian military decisiveness. Force, brute force, is the only language the Anglos understand -look at their history.
esskumar on March 18, 2022 · at 2:17 am EST/EDT

“Question1: in your opinion, can Russia afford to have a non-demilitarized and non-denazified (landlocked) mini-Banderastan if the rest of the Ukraine is liberated?”
No. That would be a total waste of the efforts made and opportunities gained in the present special op. The entire region within the present legal border of Ukraine must be rid of systemic Russophobia, which, I feel is a more accurate description of what Putin has implied.
“Question2: is there a better option? Do you think that the Russian tanks should drive all the way to the western Ukraine and, if yes, how long do you want them to say?”
A better option would be to formally occupy and administer the entire Ukraine with the help of Ukrainians presently working in Russia, who can be persuaded to return and take up well-paid administrative positions. The Western border with NATO can be secured using a few military bases and a minefield along the unsupervised portions of the border.
“Question3: If a NATO “peacekeeping force” is detected approaching the Ukrainian border, should Russia wait until they cross to strike, or shall Russia repeat what she just did in Iavorov but inside Poland?”
They should not strike inside Poland. They should concentrate on getting good quality intelligence and try to take the equipment in Ukraine if such opportunity can be created or destroy it in case it is not worth the effort.
Bob on March 18, 2022 · at 2:20 am EST/EDT

Russia gas to finish the job ie all of Ukraine. No negotiation with Zelensky as he’s not calling the shots. The guy is a joke.
Too much lives lost now to stop.
Janek on March 18, 2022 · at 2:21 am EST/EDT

Andrei, I live in Poland and the questions indirectly refer to Poland.

1) Leaving a non-demilitarized and non-denazified Banderland would be incompatible with Russia’s, or rather Joseph Vissarionovich’s, conception of friendly countries ( or rather countries with governments friendly to Russia ) around Russia.
By allowing Banderstan to exist, Russia will create a constantly festering wound with fascist inflammation, but will create ….. a country hostile to Poland. Remember the Volhynia crime during which the Banderstani slaughtered 200,000 Poles. I abstract that this is punishment for the Union of Brest in 1596 and the creation of the Greek Catholic Church.
The liquidation of Banderland will be safer for Russia, but in turn will cause an outflow of Nazis to Poland, with all, bad consequences for Poland. If you want to punish Poland and create problems for Poland, liquidate Banderland.

2.Well, Russian tanks on the Polish border would cool down hot Polish heads and prove how little NATO means.

3.Well, an attack on NATO “peacekeeping mission” troops on Polish territory would certainly cause panic, but it would also confirm the claims of russophobes in Poland that Russia has hostile intentions towards Poland. This would not be good for the 20-30% of the Polish population favorably disposed toward Russia. It would be safer to act as in Jaworow or to exert economic pressure – embargo on gas and oil to the European Union countries.

Greetings
Shyaku on March 18, 2022 · at 2:25 am EST/EDT

What Russia needs in eastern Ukraine is Eurasian allies. Something equivalent to the Warsaw pact, but Eurasian – a larger CSTO that, perhaps, includes China.

Then, Ukraine becomes like the Germany of old, where despite a few skirmishes, both sides are equally disincentivized.

The Warsaw Pact was able to police and pacify a vast area of Eastern Europe, and NATO never attacked it.

The new NATO is not the old NATO because they think it is the one against the many.

With a serious Eurasian “Warsaw Pact” this situation re-equilibrates.

Apart from this, it may be still a little too early to answer your questions, perhaps:

– Just some thoughts.

Best regards, Shyaku
JEinCA on March 18, 2022 · at 2:34 am EST/EDT

Andrei My Brother

#1 I don’t think anyone but the Russians themselves can be trusted to ensure a Mini-Banderastan was no longer a threat to Russia. The West (the Empire of Lies) and their Eastern European vassal states cannot be trusted with such a job.

#2 I think the Russians need to do whatever is necessary to extinguish the current existential threat against it and to safeguard future generations of Russians from that threat arising again. However I do think it is better if the Russians make a deal with Poland, Hungary, Romania and Moldova for them all to formally take a piece of West Ukraine. Let them be the occupiers. West Ukraine is poison for Russia, let it be poison for NATO. However it’s like I said Russia needs to do whatever it seems necessary to eliminate the current existential threat to Russia.

#3 I agree. The West won’t get it until, “they get it”. If they keep on doubling down, Russia needs to call their bluff (hopefully they are bluffing). Even though I am fairly certain the Empire will back down like they’ve done in Iraq after twice being targeted this week (first by Iran and then by the Shia Militia), I am not absolutely certain that they will and that uncertainty bothers me. I do think however that Russia’s red line should be absolutely clear to everyone and until that red line is overtly crossed any targeting of NATO installations should be covert with lots of plausible deniability. I also think it’s time that Russia treat hostile Western Oligarchs (like Zuckerberg and Soros) as terrorist leaders. The same way they treated the Gulf Arab financiers of Takfiri terrorism in the Caucuses. The Western Ruling Class Elites are behind this NATO aggression towards Russia and as long as they feel safe and secure in their gated communities, with high walls and armed security entourages that won’t change. They need to know that war with Russia means they stand to lose their lives.
- JEinCA on March 18, 2022 · at 2:58 am EST/EDT
  
  I almost forgot. Since the Empire is openly funding, arming, training, providing satellite imagery and Intel to those who are killing Russian military personnel, Russia needs to respond in kind to wherever the Empire is engaged in a conflict anywhere in the world. Maybe they are doing that already and we saw it in Iraq this week.
Wolhv on March 18, 2022 · at 2:40 am EST/EDT

Dumb as a Pole…
a) If Poland were a part of the Alliance of Winners (Russia, Iran, China, and India), then it could indeed get some territory added to it as a result of this war. But as Poland is a part of the Alliance of Losers (Israel, England, and the USA), so it is highly unlikely (actually impossible) that a loser after defeat would get any extra territory.
b) Poles are now seen in Russia as aliens (unlike Ukrainians that are largely perceived as the prodigal son). So, if Poles were dumb enough to invade Ukraine, then all their troops shall be wiped out immediately (nobody in Russian Army would try to be careful and differentiate Nazis from non-Nazis among them).
jiri on March 18, 2022 · at 2:44 am EST/EDT

Russia needs to denazify the five eyes and Europe too.
john fritsch on March 18, 2022 · at 2:49 am EST/EDT

Andrei: Re Questions 3: any combatant force that is determined to intend to enter Ukraine should be destroyed without regard to borders, in Poland or wherever. This is the lesson of Iraq: preemptive war is OK. Of course, Iraq was a fraud. But if a force masses in Poland, there is no fraud. If it is militarily efficient to destroy the force there, there is every (US) legal precedent to do so.
MARS on March 18, 2022 · at 2:49 am EST/EDT

Dear Saker,

I do believe that Russia should step up operations in west 404, but with stand up weapons and that should last 8 years, keep bombing them and not allow them breathing room until total utter capitulation from Ukraine, and acknowledgement of the West, if Poland wants to put it’s forces under that condition let them have it, but first Russia must have real control with S-400-500, EW and other systems in what would be the new Eastern flank of Ukraine in Odessa parallel.

Transnitaria wants it’s independence, more so than ever since formal EU application of Moldova, Russia could support it and unite Transnitaria with what was Bessarabia and partition 404 even more so specially with friendly countries, we already have the new republics and probably another Kherson Republic. Also support the expansion of Transnitaria to pre 1941 annexation, that would put NATO in a pickle.

Put 50,000 troops on the borders of Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia and do daily military exercises.

Sending a couple of dozen Zircons to the above mentioned countries as well as Poland, Slovakia, Romania and Chekoslovakia to say hello to biolabs there, after heating the biolabs subject non stop for a couple of months would also make them rethink the whole situation I believe.

Cut energy supplies.

I would do all of this in tandem, do not give them a months rest, exhaust them now that they’re economy is in the toilet and about to get flushed
Dr. Bill Wedin on March 18, 2022 · at 2:58 am EST/EDT

I am not a military strategist nor a statesman. I am simply a New York City psychologist, age 80, who has lived under 15 Presidents. So I know my country and its Russophobia well. I know, for example, that Prescott Bush, the father of President G. H. W. Bush and the grandfather of President George W. Bush built Auschwitz as a profit-making-enterprise that helped put grandson George thru college at Yale. Auschwitz was built by Prescott for Hitler to exterminate Commie-Jews and their Slav slaves. Hitler was White America’s man. He played cowboys killing Indians as a kid. He openly admired White America as the Greatest Genocidal nation of all time and only hoped that Nazi Germany could reach White America’s Gold Standard of Genocide. (It missed by a mile.) FYI: George Washington became the richest man in America by having his Continental Army burn down Indian towns (they lived in towns then) with women and children trapped inside and then sold their lands to white settlers as his own. Hitler studied the way we killed our way across America as a blueprint for his own Generalplan Ost. Our Indian reservations became models for his own concentration camps. American industrialists went nuts for him. The Wehrmacht was built by Ford, GM, and Boeing. Artificial gasoline and rubber plants were built by Dupont. IBM supplied typewriters, punch-card data processing machines, encryption devices, etc. Coca-Cola supplied special blends of Coke to keep those Luftwaffe pilots “Coked” up over Soviet territory. Though President Roosevelt had a soft spot in his for the Russian people and got along well enough with Stalin to sell him on the idea of The United Nations and even a list of human rights that included freedom of religion. But the deep state still wanted as many commie-Jews and slavish Soviet Slavs be killed as possible before America opened up a 2nd front in Europe. That’s why D-Day didn’t happen till 1944. That’s why Auschwitz was never bombed. That’s why we turned down Hitler’s offer to let us evacuate the entire city of Leningrad to safety on American shores via US troop ships. We said NO! NOT on our soil. After the War, the US continued to hold many Jews under guard in held in their former concentration camps, now called detention (DT) camps, rather than let them return to their home countries in Europe for fear they’d turn those countries socialist. But they could immigrate to Palestine and create the one socialist state in the world the US would tolerate–provided they’d be our Nazis to the Arab populations there. The Israelis have kept their side of the bargain–and how! They field test new weapon systems
on the Gazans when they “mow the grass” every 2 years. Their “ethnic cleansing” and “child torture” experts have served their American masters proudly the world over for decades. So to the question: should the US be given a small area of Ukraine, closest to Poland, where all the old Nazis and neo-Nazis may safely gather with all of their nukes and other advanced weaponry, and be recognized by various nations and international bodies as representing the legitimate government of Ukraine? I say, NEVER EVER! Russia must guard the borders, the seaports, the airports, and the internet of Ukraine from neo-Nazi infiltrators for at least 10 time in the opinion of this psychologist, age 80, who knows the people and the leaders of my country well. And while the American people are a good people, our leaders are mostly morally depraved in my professional judgement.
- Phoebus they/them on March 18, 2022 · at 3:45 am EST/EDT
  
  Good point. Allowing West Ukraine to become some kind of independent Nazi state would be funded by NATO and exist only to destabilize Ukraine and Russia. However, once Russia has subdued the Nazis and is holding all the cards, Putin could negotiate with Poland, Bulgaria etc to hold plebiscites in the west oblasts to allow them to chose between Ukraine and Poland/Bulgaria/etc. Such a negotiation could be conditional on whatever Putin wants, sanctions relief, cash… It would also destabilize the EU and NATO to have Poland drooling over the possibility of getting back some long lost territory.
- cswolfdog on March 18, 2022 · at 5:06 am EST/EDT
  
  You wrote: „Our leaders are mostly morally depraved.“ You are absolutely right.
  
  It is a problem for all modern Western governments. Nowhere is this more evident than in the Czech Republic. From a country that had good relationship with Russia, we have become a country that is most hostile to Russia. I have spoken to many people in recent days. Lot of them are pro-Russian. They understand what Russia is doing and why. They are ordinary people. The problem is that their opinion absolutely does not matter. So they can’t change anything.
  
  Elections. So-called free elections. That’s the biggest chimera, charade and delusion we have. Almost 50% of registered voters don’t vote because there is no one to vote for. There is not even a party to defend Czech interests. They are just puppets of Western governments. All of them. They sell this country, its people, to the highest bidder.
  The government is supported by journalists, actors, artists, NGOs and so-called human rights activists. These are virtually unpunishable. This is the reason why they are so much heard and seen.
  Of course there are a lot of people who support Ukraine. The reasons are various. Sometimes it’s because of 1968, sometimes it’s because they believe everything they read and hear in the media. Some are simply pro-American and therefore anti-Russian.
  
  Nation is divided, shattered to the pieces.
  
  Translated with http://www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)
Hal on March 18, 2022 · at 3:10 am EST/EDT

“I am increasingly becoming convinced that until Russia fires a few Iskanders/Kalibrs into NATO territory”
That sounds like a bad idea.
Drciber on March 18, 2022 · at 3:23 am EST/EDT

#1 Absolutely not. Stir up the hornet’s nest and then leave it hanging there right outside the door? Madness.
#2 There are lots of better options but the West won’t agree to any of them. The tanks will have to be parked with the muzzle of their main armament 1cm from the Polish frontier, and stay there until they rust away.
#3 Russia would have to wait until a sizeable force had crossed the line before crushing it completely, preferably within sight of the border.
Dr NG Maroudas on March 18, 2022 · at 3:26 am EST/EDT

” The Poles … will probably take the western Ukraine. The pretext will be some kind of “Russian atrocity”.

No pretext needed: The Polish city of Lvov and surrounding territory will simply be restored to its rightful place and given its rightful name: Polish Galicia, the home of Ukronazism. I have been advocating this sensible measure ever since 2013 when Russia came to Syria’s aid against NATZO’s genocidal ISIS headchoppers.

Re Q1: I think Russia can easily de-Nazify Kiev and the rest of the West Russian Ukraina, because many Russians there still retain vivid folk memories of Russians being targets of genocide by the Nazis. But Polish Galitzia and the rest of Europe is too big to de-Nazify, and Europe’s love affair with Fascism (Capitalist Selfishness boosted by State Power) is too deeply entrenched. In 1938 Poland, Britain and France rejected the offer of an Anti-Nazi pact with Russia, and helped Hitler to carve up CzechoSlovakia; their pro-Nazi choice brought on WW2. After WW2 Russia tried to de-Nazify the following countries after liberating them from Nazi occupation, and failed: East Germany, Poland, Hungary, Rumania. Let Russia de-Natzify the West Russian Ukraina, which is easy, and let “the West” de-Natzify itself (starting with the de-Nazification of NATZO) which will be extremely difficult, perhaps impossible.
Rutamira Bitongo on March 18, 2022 · at 3:42 am EST/EDT

It appears that three American servicement of the from Tenesse who were training the Ukronazis were killled in the Donboss. I found this information on ustube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewI_2J9Doqc
- Phoebus they/them on March 18, 2022 · at 4:48 am EST/EDT
  
  It’s just Russian propaganda. Sorry.
  https://theweek.com/russo-ukrainian-war/1011456/national-guard-says-americans-russia-said-were-killed-in-ukraine-are
  https://www.militarytimes.com/flashpoints/ukraine/2022/03/17/contrary-to-russian-media-reports-3-tennessee-guardsmen-were-not-killed-in-ukraine/
K.O. Box on March 18, 2022 · at 4:02 am EST/EDT

Citing from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_refugee_crisis:

“Over 3.2 million refugees have left Ukraine (as of 16 March 2022)”

At this rate, Ukraine will be empty in less than a year. Problem solved.

It’s of course simplistic to reason like that, but the idea should be clear. It’s only the loyalists that need to be made to leave, but not even all of them. Older folks may be left alone.
abc123 on March 18, 2022 · at 4:20 am EST/EDT

I am not directly answering any of your questions, Saker, but there is a clear difference regarding the duty of care to the normal Russian/Ukrainian population currently in Ukraine vs the populations that reside within NATO countries.

The missiles that Russia possesses can be used to completely destroy hostile/aggressive countries to Russia. Russia can strike these countries’ missile systems and discourage NATO if they should ignore warnings and decide to double-down their hostilities towards Russia, as they have proven to have done every time throughout history.

Therefore, given NATO exists for the sole purpose of destroying Russia, maybe the time to strike at NATO now given Putin indicated that the pre 1997 borders is what would appease Russia from a security standpoint.

To opine on the territory of Western Ukraine, itself, it must not be allowed to militiarize under any circumstances but the people are NAZIs by nature… Russia does not need to try to rebuild or deNAZIfy this land as they would be wasting their time.
Victor on March 18, 2022 · at 4:25 am EST/EDT

Russia has regrettably fallen into the trap America set for them. They had no choice. Now they are faced with the unenviable task of how to get out of it – if that is possible at all. You can’t partition Western Ukraine off and let it just sit there, a festering sore on the back of Russia continually supplied with arms from the West to create trouble across the border. You can’t let Poland or any other country have it as they would immediately place missiles there to threaten Moscow. You can’t leave the eastern part to fend for itself as “independent” countries, as they would be constantly terrorised from the West and the international order led by the West would never recognise their independence – even Uzebeckisatn has stood against Russia on this.

The West has thrown all it has in the way of sanctions at Russia, so beyond actually going to war, they have little left to throw. So no matter what Russia does now, the West has few options to stop them short of a wider war.

So that leaves the only options I can think of at the moment – First, take the East and the coast and absorb it into Russia proper, where it probably belongs anyway. Secondly, lay waste to western Ukraine. Destroy everything, and leave it behind for the West to try to re-build, which would take decades and money that they will have difficulty in coming up with as it would take away from their already failing national economies. Then threaten the West with a severe response should they try to rebuild military capability there – a response to include an immediate secession of gas/oil/processed uranium sales, minerals, metals and agricultural products – and to keep that sanction in place until they remove any weaponry they have installed. Such sanctions would immediately destroy the economies of the West as they rely heavily on these goods to function as modern societies. Additionally, they should make the West pay for any goods sold with rubles or gold.

The West knows that Russia will do almost anything to avoid war, so they press and press and process, provocation after provocation. they will not stop until Russia takes matters in hand – Russia can and should do so.

Russia needs to take the initiative, regardless of the threat of possible war – just like the West has done. Russia has huge leverage over the West IF they would only use it. Further, Russia needs to understand that it does not need foreign capital to grow its economy. Its central bank can create the money needed for this – it is a fiction that money needs to be borrowed to make things happen. That simply is not true.
MACC on March 18, 2022 · at 4:27 am EST/EDT

Any “removed” weapons will be replenished by the West.

IMU there is no way for a demobbed but independent Ukraine to persist in that state.
What I have chewed on these days: is the Ukrainian West similar in character to Poland? Poland afaics is a size 10 ego in a size 2 body. they will always feel repressed by others and thus see no reason to stay true to any contracts or allegiance ( Poland joined the EU ( “fealty” ) but acted as the US crowbar in EU affairs.) Hmm: is this a “catholic” thing?
maskazer on March 18, 2022 · at 4:30 am EST/EDT

Question1: in your opinion, can Russia afford to have a non-demilitarized and non-denazified (landlocked) mini-Banderastan if the rest of the Ukraine is liberated?

In fact no. That’s like having a permanent Daesh concentration camp near the western borders only more dangerous because they are openly supported by the NATO. But one thing is for sure, and that’s not to fall into the US plan of coercing Russia concentrate only on the Ukraine / sanctions.

Question2: is there a better option? Do you think that the Russian tanks should drive all the way to the western Ukraine and, if yes, how long do you want them to say?

Since almost the eastern half of the Ukraine is inhibited by the Russian people of various origins, then It seems logical to create the Novorussyia all the way to include Transnisteria. In the meantime it’s better to focus on enhancement and better coordination of affairs (political-economical, military …) with the countries that are not on Kremlin’s Black List (China, N. Korea, India, Brazil, ….Iran, Syria…). This should take until the next winter when energy prices and economic hardship hit consumers in EU-US, making them more malleable which may help them gradually creep out of their own lie bubbles and face the light of truth. Let’s cross our fingers, hopefully by the next fall the West will be a little bit less Woke.

Question3: If a NATO “peacekeeping force” is detected approaching the Ukrainian border, should Russia wait until they cross to strike, or shall Russia repeat what she just did in Iavorov but inside Poland?

After securing the Novorussyia, local partisan and militant with support of the Z (V) could secure the border regions against NATO incursions for at least till next winter. By that time the EU should be pretty much out of oil and gas and deep in economic troubles. If not and if they’re still hell bent on going after Russia – China – Iran …Kazakhstan, then the next phase of war could begin, which would then give Z (V) better freedom to use bigger conventional bombs against the so-be-it racially advanced west Ukraine particularly the western districts of Leviv where Stepan Bandera used to hang around as a kid peeping on the girls there.
Dr. George W Oprisko on March 18, 2022 · at 4:49 am EST/EDT

The UkroNazis are basically making the same mistake Hitler made….
Assuming they had ~ 250,000 men at arms when Operation Bagration II began…

1. ~ 40,000 committed to Mariupol
2. ~ 80,000 holding front lines of DPR/LPR
3. ~ 40,000 committed to holding Kharkov
4. ~ 40,000 committed to holding Kiev
5. ~ 20,000 committed to holding Odessa.
6. ~ 30,000 mobile reserve.

Their mobile reserve is no longer mobile due to destruction of ammo/fuel dumps & bridges via stand-off weapons.

So, when Mariupol falls….
Assuming….
Next Objective…. take the Black Sea Coast all the way to Roumania
Then….
Sweep south from SW Belarus with right flank on Polish Border to Roumania…
Closing the trap… SHUT…
Game over….

My thoughts…

INDY
Decorum on March 18, 2022 · at 4:57 am EST/EDT

Russia needs to show that it has the capability to be an existential threat to its global enemies, and the will to use it. Sending troops into a neighbouring country is so 1956. It does not intimidate western minds when foreigners are the only victims – after all, the proven Empire doctrine is for other nations to fight its enemies on their own land. Western propaganda at present is that the Russians are “bogged down” which indicates a false flag is possible. If it happens, Russia should embrace it as an escalation and react accordingly, maybe by removing one or two heads off the snakes. There will be no point in trying to prove it is false, that can come later. If Russia reacts appropriately, then there will be no more flase flags. I believe that VVP understands that a war for Russian security must be fought now to give time for the Empire to collapse of its own accord. The remnants of Ukraine and how they are divided up is less important other than protection of ethnic Russians. I believe the only way the US gets involved in a direct war with Russia is if Russia directly attacks USA territory (or maybe UK). So targets could be chosen accordingly. The status of Eastern European NATO members is as customers of the US MIC. US will not sacrifice itself for them. If it does, then Russia needs to know…………….

Many thanks to Saker, and all contributors to this discussion
Swift on March 18, 2022 · at 4:57 am EST/EDT

Yes Russia can afford to have a landlocked mini-Banderastan on the western border of the partition as long as the Nazi battalions are all eliminated in the cauldrons from Odessa to Kiev.
Russia has no need to waste lives or resources occupying mini-Banderastan when the goal of this mission has always been to eliminate the Nazi battalions and liberate all the Orthodox Christian communities from ´´Catholic´´ oppression.
If a NATO peacekeeping force enters Ukraine it should be eliminated with missiles as being a threat but NONE should be attacked in NATO lands unless WW3 is declared.
Missiles should be the only Russian tools used on threats in mini-Banderastan Only the UN can send in peacekeepers AFTER appropriate resolutions have been passed.
I welcome the return of Poland´s historic lands to Poland that Stalin kept – Poland will be a better nation for being enlarged with these more diverse residents. And if Hungary and Rumania get agreement of local people then it is all good for those small regions to return to their 1938 Soviet borders
Burazer on March 18, 2022 · at 5:05 am EST/EDT

Heres an idea!:

Import some 100 million Chinese and North Koreans to farm and prosper on that beautifull land.
Give them voting rights.

Beat “west”@ its own game
- Canossa on March 18, 2022 · at 6:20 am EST/EDT
  
  Yes, the alternatives posted by the Saker are somewhat too black and white and not creative enough. The question of a post-war Ukraine has to be approched with a great deal of ruthlessness, like keeping a no-man’s land a as a buffer zone instead of some Banderastan, to be bombed at will if anybody dares encroach on it. Someone, however, brought up the nuclear power plants. They will have to be secured no matter what. What speaks against handing over Galicia to the Poles, though? The Poles are so nationalistic, they couldn’t ever say no to taking over lands they once owned, even if these lands are populated by nazis who hate the Poles. It would weaken Poland for a long time to come. Some sort of deal would have to reached with the Poles first, like them leaving NATO or maybe even the EU in exchange for it. A similar deal might be possible with the Romanians in exchange for lands to the South-West of Odessa.
Decorum on March 18, 2022 · at 5:13 am EST/EDT

Andrei, One further comment on the “mini Banderistan” possibility: Really, does it matter? Wherever the Russians stop, there will be a border with a hostile (at the moment) country. The Empire will then consider this border as a front line, wherever it is, and Russia will need to defend it. I think there is more chance of it being a “demilitarized zone” if its is not at the Polish border. This should be a condition of not pressing all the way to Poland perhaps.
Sam F on March 18, 2022 · at 5:16 am EST/EDT

The danger is that Russia may become unable to end this war, and certainly NATO will try keep it going. The question is whether another Afghanistan quagmire is avoidable.

Attacks on NATO territory would not intimidate and would provoke more NATO troublemaking.
A front at the NATO line would imply a quagmire controlling anti-Russian areas of Ukraine.

Because the Russian operation was due to Ukraine attacks on the Donbass defensive front, which can be continued wherever a new front is established, ending the war requires cooperation by Ukraine. Clearly Ukraine is not agreement-capable like the west, and therefore must be held in submission, which probably requires holding the attacking Azov forces in prison indefinitely, controlling the pro-Russian areas long the Black sea coast to Odessa, and continuing to destroy military targets in Ukraine. That is a longer front than Donbass alone, but potentially further from population centers. But if a front like the Dnieper river is chosen, requiring control of anti-Russian areas, a quagmire seems more likely.
Robert on March 18, 2022 · at 5:20 am EST/EDT

1.) Yes, Russia can afford a Mini-Banderstan in the western part of today’s Ukraine, consisting of some three-four districts (Lvov will be taken anyway by Poland). The Poles in Lvov will deal with the Bandera-Nazis themselves.
In the remaining Banderstan territories they can go berserk and create themselves a Bandera paradise – they will achieve nothing, because if the country is small, it has limited resources – the West can supply anything, but territory and people.
Such a small country just can not attack Russia and could be handled easily if Russia decides otherwise.
Such a small country can be forced by the neighbors to keep their obligations about the transit (crude oil, natural gas and railway corridors from Russia and China). The Zakarpatie would be taken by Slovakia or by Hungary. That was never Soviet or Russian territory anyway.
2.) Yes, the Russian tanks have to drive all way to the western border, destroy all the military infrastructure there and leave.
3.) No, Russia should not attack NATO territory first. If NATO forces cross into Ukraine, then destroy them there.
I assume, NATO will not cross the Ukrainian border, if there are some sober brains left in the West.
They will send some “instructors” here and there, but they will be posting crying videos about the trap, which Ukraine became (https://southfront.org/foreign-fighters-fleeing-from-ukraine-videos/).
Ferdl on March 18, 2022 · at 5:25 am EST/EDT

I disagree with your answers to the three questions. Well, in the case of the first question I disagree with what you say about the context of the question not with the direct answer to the question.

Q1: What I disagree with is that the Poles will invade if by that you mean that they will integrate the territory into their state. I can see a Nato intervention. But they would create a puppet regime which directly reports to Washington or whereever the foreign leaders of the Western Empire reside. Whether or not Russia can live with a Banderastan? My answer: They should try to live with it for the time being. Try to sort out the rest of Ukraine, include them into your economic system. Try to increase their wellbeing. Don’t allow your own elite to rob them of their ressources (this temptation will be a problem). With Banderastan gone a relatively large part of the rest of Ukraine will be Russians. They should be willing to integrate into the sphere of influence of Moskow if the elites from Russia make sure that they can prosper.

Banderastan on the other hand will be transformed into a hell hole by the west. They will have to pray to the LGBT gods. They will be robbed of whatever ressources might be left there. The smart part of the population will leave for Warsaw, Berlin, London or New York. Banderastan will become a protectorate of the West controlled by non-christians who despise Ukranians no less than they despise Russians or any other European people.

Banderastan will become a problem only if the population in the inland region between the Dnjepr (spelling) and Banderastan would be willing to fight a guerilla war against the Russians in order to join Banderastan. If I understand things correctly, that part of the country is substantially more Ukranian than Russian (maybe this is incorrect, but my understanding is that the Russians dominate only east of the Dnjepr and along the coast of the Black Sea). I don’t know how strong those Ukranians feel about them being different from Russians. That is something that might have changed a lot in the past 20 years. Ukraine ist to Russia something like the Dutch are to Germany. Most of the Netherlands where part of the original lands of the Franks who created Germany; large parts of Ukraine were part of the Kievan Rus which was one of the first powerful Russian kingdoms. The Dutch still have an anthem in which their hero affirms to “be of german blood”. But to a modern day dutch who has grown up under permanent anti-german propaganda that characterizes their school system and their media since WWII, it probably would be the worst possible offense if you called him a “quasi-german” or something like that. The same development has probably been going on in Ukraine for at least a decade. And a decade is a long time to radicalize people.

Q2: Whether or not the Russians should drive their tanks all the way to the Polish boarder depends on how well defended that part of the country is. If there are no armies there or if Russia can easily prevent the building of defensive systems during the time that they need to boil the eastern armies in their couldrons, then they should go there, make a deal with the Banderastan-Mafia, create a state which puts the neutrality and whatever other guarantees the Russians want into their constitution (maybe one or two Russian military bases) and then move out again. Just don’t let yourselves be drawn into a long civil war in those western parts of Ukraine if the population there is hostile to Russia.

If instead Banderastan is reasonably well defended and the defense forces are fiercly supported by the local population, then I would avoid moving in. In that case I would concentrate on making the rest of Ukraine a nice place to live. And if part of the proper Ukranians want to leave the Russian occupied Ukraine, then let them go.

Q3: This is the question where I disagree most strongly with you. Let the West declare the war. Don’t fall for the provocations. Don’t bomb any location 1 cm west of the border. If a western army moves in bomb it once it is within Ukraine. Transporting a meaningful amount of weapons into Ukraine requires a huge logistic effort. Once Nato forces cross into Ukraine then the Russians should react and they should also consider firing directly at positions in Poland, the Baltic countries, Romania, and in whatever Nato country where the helpers of the foreign elites are most aggressively pushing for war.
Nicola on March 18, 2022 · at 5:32 am EST/EDT

I think that Russia’s main problem is not so much that of having NATO close by. In fact, Russia already has NATO bordering on it because there are the three Baltic countries very close to Moscow and in which it would be possible to install missiles that could hit the main Russian cities with short notice. Russia’s real problem is having an aggressive, war-ready enemy army on its borders. NATO cannot have an army willing to go to war simply because Western societies are unable to provide men who are willing to fight and die. To fight effectively you need an aggressive, if not fanatical mentality, but above all you need the willingness to face the sufferings and deprivations that a soldier encounters in war. There are no such people in today’s Western fashion society. So NATO needs someone to materially fight in its place, it needs soldiers willing to go on the assault. This missing army was in an advanced state of preparation in Ukraine. After a pounding ideological work, and still not being too polluted by the Western glamor mentality, the Ukrainian man was becoming the ideal soldier.
Therefore, if Russia occupies the eastern part of Ukraine, there is a lack of a substantial reservoir of men ready to go to war. There remains the reservoir of the western part that will be under NATO control, but in any case it will be a small number compared to that of the united Ukraine, and it will certainly be more manageable on the Russian side. As for Russia destroying Ukraine’s military potential this is an achievement that may only last a few years as the West will start bringing modern weapons systems to Ukraine and replenish its war potential in a relatively short time. But all the men of the liberated eastern part will no longer be at their disposal, and men are the only truly precious thing that NATO will not be able to replace.
whatevs on March 18, 2022 · at 5:48 am EST/EDT

BOOM! Ukraine Becomes the First Country to Implement the Great Reset

https://nworeport.me/2022/03/17/boom-ukraine-becomes-the-first-country-to-implement-the-great-reset/
R. on March 18, 2022 · at 5:48 am EST/EDT

South African president blames NATO for Russia-Ukraine war
Kremlin said that Russia was putting colossal energy into talks on a possible peace deal with Ukraine.
https://www.jpost.com/international/article-701571
Interesting that one of the few sites belonging to ZONE A that has reported this statement is an israeli site!
- maskazer on March 18, 2022 · at 6:40 am EST/EDT
  
  R.,
  It’s understandable why jp would publish this report, cause it’s to divert attentions away from the main culprit.
whatevs on March 18, 2022 · at 5:51 am EST/EDT

Former Australian Special Forces Commander Riccardo Bosi on Ukraine. ?

“Ukraine is the center of the deep state. It’s the head of the snake and Vlad’s taking the head off.Ukraine has been the center of the globalists for decades and decades…“ pic.twitter.com/oZCTXK6rKp

— Pauline Hall (@Pauline51734996) March 17, 2022
Andreas on March 18, 2022 · at 5:52 am EST/EDT

US Treasury to allow Russia’s $117 million bond payment to go through in dollars
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/us-treasury-allow-russias-117-133755466.html
Daniel on March 18, 2022 · at 5:53 am EST/EDT

How reliable is the following source?

“Is Russia negotiating an Anglo-American protectorate for Ukraine?

A shock occurred yesterday in Russia, with the revelations of the Financial Times, confirmed by Dmitry Peskov, spokesman for the Kremlin, of the negotiation of a 15-point plan, including the departure of the Russian army from Ukraine and the preservation of the Ukrainian army, but its reduction … in return for protection exercised by the United States and Great Britain. In other words, Russia started this military operation to ultimately discuss the establishment of an Anglo-American protectorate over Ukraine? Are the Russian political elites, who support this process, aware of the power of the waves of deflagration which will then pour over Russia and the world? Let’s analyze the situation.”

(From Google Translate – ed.)

http://russiepolitics.blogspot.com/2022/03/la-russie-negocie-t-elle-un-protectorat.html
- Boo on March 18, 2022 · at 7:30 am EST/EDT
  
  Not at all. It’s a made up claim.
Republicofscotland on March 18, 2022 · at 5:54 am EST/EDT

I think that Russia has to take and keep hold of all of Ukraine for an unspecified amount of time, simply because if any of Ukraine is left outside Russian control it will be used to continue the war, it will be flooded with all sort of weapons from Europe and Nato.

If however Russia take all of Ukraine it could deter its aggressive neighbours such as Poland which is currently being used a s a staging post, from entering the fight, what I mean is that countries that oppose Russia don’t mind flooding Ukraine with weapons, but it would be a different story if they had to directly get into conflict with Russian forces
Yousef on March 18, 2022 · at 6:00 am EST/EDT

Q2: no. The Anglozaxon and all europe are not to be trusted. To them it would just a break regroup and change the tactics not the goal. Look at their history.
Q2: yes. Unfortunately, we are facing a determined foe who measures his manhood and heroism by how many he kills mains destroys. killing children and women distinguishs him from other heroes.
Q3: I’m not sure. I think that is what they are hoping for. All europe minus gb are foot soldiers to be sacrificed as needed. If I were to make a recommendation I would bring the suffering to London and Paris. They have to be woken up from their stupor. I know that means ww3. But I think in the end that is unavoidable. There must be a way to do it without all out war. Washington would without a blink would be rational. America will not stop pushing the morons of europe as long as they are willing to be pushed.
In the end a nuclear is unavoidable. Russia is doing the right thing if it were dealing with a normal foe who values human life and who believes in live and let live. Russia and the world is dealing with sociopaths who always pushes the envelope and says we are still alive and standing, let us push some more.
Ask any psychologist will tell you the way to deal with sociopaths and psychopaths is to fight back with more force they understand so they will say they are crazy and they are going kill us. They will back down.
I respect your analysis. And now you say direct war 50/50 is expected. Lary Romanov has been saying nuclear war is going to happen for a while.
Today the west has nothing the world needs. They don’t have enough minerals or oil or gas. The things they know how to do are killing destruction and forced consumerism. If they don’t have an outside enomy they will be killing each other like the Ole good days. And give the rest of the world a break.
Russia will win in the end but it should not sacrifice big numbers before they decide enough.
many respects, may God always be you and with those on the right path.
Peace.
Michael on March 18, 2022 · at 6:03 am EST/EDT

I know the world doesn’t see it this but Russian are too soft, they should have fought the way they were trained which to destroyed NATO armies’, nit this hostage rescue of whole country! , Destroyed UAF, NATO would have been frighten, maybe broken up, powerful countries need neutral zone. The Russian did not do in 2014 waited too long, same thing with this operation, worse is economical front. Here I think Russian and Chinese are weak. Demographic not on their side. They have to break the power of West which is money. Western money guys are scratching their heads, why haven’t they cut the gas, why are they paying the debts, you hurt them where it hurts . Look at this comment.

This is actually funny ;) how our corrupt banking system works. So RU is excluded from Swift and other possible account transactions. But they are able to send their debt payments, LOL. The bankers can’t call a default or the system breaks. But the sheeple will never get that they are the f****ed ones. In this international kabuki theater

Poor people in US will pay the price so that poor people in Russia will suffer. It not just people in Ukraine that will suffer . Normal people all over world will suffer from this delays.

The short summary of major conflict of 20 centuries, is that the US and Britain will by crushing the economies of their enemies, that how really broke Germany and Japan, they brought down USSR the same way by depressing oil price in eighties. Take the finance weapons away from from bankers .
vt on March 18, 2022 · at 6:04 am EST/EDT

Fans of Red Star Belgrade Remind US About Number of Its Military Interventions During Game – Video

https://sputniknews.com/20220318/fans-of-red-star-belgrade-remind-us-about-number-of-its-military-interventions-during-game—video-1093980850.html

“Fans of Red Star Belgrade rolled out banners featuring the number of US military interventions during the club’s match on Thursday. According to local media, the performance was dedicated to the anniversary of the ethnically-motivated violence against Serbs in Kosovo and Metohija.

The banners featured the number of all military operations US forces have participated in since the Second World War, including the first Gulf War, the bombing of Yugoslavia, as well as the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan.”

The article includes a photo of the banners and video.
- Exile on March 18, 2022 · at 7:29 am EST/EDT
  
  Many people believed at the time that the criminal Destruction of Yugoslavia by Washington would come back to haunt the war party. We are seeing this today.
  
  Brotherhood and Unity my friend
Just another irrevelent ant on March 18, 2022 · at 6:05 am EST/EDT

This is WWIII from the very beginning.

It is now clear Ukraine action was pre-emptive strike since this war was inevitable but this way Russian Army has the upper hand in this conflict instead being in the defensive on Crimea and Donbas.

It is also clear Putin is not bluffing in the slightest and he did give ultimatum to US/NATO to withdraw troops to pre-1997, so he is not stopping in Ukraine – he IS going to remove NATO away from Russian borders.

Of course, he also new there is no way this will not escalate into hot war between NATO/US and Russia which makes nuclear confrontation inevitable and also explains why they do not care much about apparent PR failure.

So, brace yourself. It is about to become MUCH hotter.
- Andre on March 18, 2022 · at 6:51 am EST/EDT
  
  I do not agree at all that Russia should go beyond Ukraine and attack NATO countries. That would be insanity, while Putin strikes me as the very rational and patient type, not an impetuous maniac. Some folk need to take an ice bath and cool their heads somewhat.
  
  While Putin does not want NATO on Russia’s borders, he also would not want to see Russia destroyed along with most of the West in a major war. A scenario that could easily result in tens of millions of Russians being nuked, and the northern hemisphere being irradiated for decades. War planners game out these scenarios and they usually go nuclear very quickly.
  
  Russia is its people, so if most of them are dead and the land is a post apocalyptic wasteland, then what is the point? Nobody wants that. Nobody who is sane at least.
  
  NATO is avoiding getting into this war, because they know full well what would happen. Russia will likewise avoid getting into a war with NATO, because sensible people know that is a fight that nobody can win, i.e., everybody loses in nuclear war.
  
  Russia has moved on Ukraine because the situation there needed to be resolved and 8 years of diplomacy were not achieving that — mostly due to Ukraine’s refusal to implement the 2015 Minsk Accords. Russia would have been well aware that NATO could not get directly involved militarily in Ukraine. They also knew the economic consequences. Russia basically has a free hand to act in Ukraine, but at great cost economically and diplomatically etc. Now Russia needs to ensure that its choice will succeed in its immediate objectives and will bear fruit positively for generations.
  - Just another irrevelent ant on March 21, 2022 · at 5:06 am EST/EDT
    
    That is very romantic view of the situation which includes a lot of sanity.
    
    However, it has been painfully clear by now that West don’t give a crap about sanity, starting from Covid onwards.
    And they want to destroy Russia for quite some time now.
    Sure, they do not want to get involved, US would very much like to see Europe and Russia destroyed, but that is not happening exactly because Putin is very smart and sane person and knows who the real enemy is.
    
    Now lets see facts.
    War in Ukraine was obviously happening, Ukraine pushed by US/NATO was about to start a war on East – and how Putin responded? With pre-emptive strike.
    
    And what will Putin do if US/NATO pushes one step too far (and they are extremely close, tipping on the line)?
    What will Putin do if US/NATO escalation threatens existence of Russia?
    He will do hard pre-emptive strike on US and NATO hoping it will be enough to stop annihilation of Russia.
    
    Right now, US/NATO is piling resources in West Ukraine which gets obliterated buy Russian missiles.
    What happens if they start to pile stuff up on Poland side?
    Russia will just stand and wait?
Andre on March 18, 2022 · at 6:31 am EST/EDT

A mini Banderastan around Lvov and Ternopil?

I think it is better to cut them loose like that and let the West do what they want with them, e.g., eternally paying interest on treasury bonds like Bosnia et cetera do,which effectively reduces nations to being vassals of US aligned big capital and fall in line with US foreign policy — lest they be economically ruined due to being cut off from the Western aligned bond market that they now utterly depend upon to function as countries etc.

The Baltic equivalents of a mini Banderastan already exist on Russia’s border. Those countries also have sizeable contingents that glorify Nazism, revise history, and hate on Russia etc. They also make it state policy like Ukraine has done, e.g., state sanctioned Nazi parades and public monies spent on monuments to Nazi collaborators etc.

But unlike Ukraine the Baltic states are mere annoyances and can not pose a serious security threat on their own even when in NATO. If anything NATO membership restrains the Baltic States in some ways, because they can not act very independently of US foreign policy.

That is also unlike Ukraine and how it tries to please both NATO, its foreign creditors, and its far right nationalist, rabid wolves on the domestic front. A severely reduced and nerfed rump Ukraine centered around Lvov would never again be such a menace to people such as Russians in the Donbas. Far better than trying to occupy Galicia and impose some sense upon them.

Therefore a mini Banderastan may not be such a headache for Russia as some folks appear to presume. More of a minor toothache than the several root canals Ukraine currently requires.

Personally I wonder if what Putin meant when he said they will not occupy Ukraine is a mini Banderastan with Lvov as its capital. In other words Russia would be a changing of the definition of what Ukraine is, so the promise of not occupying it remains a true one. He could just say “that area around Galicia is Ukraine and we are not occupying it”. Then he could say the Russian regions are not Ukraine, so whatever needs to happen in them can be done.
- Andre on March 18, 2022 · at 7:00 am EST/EDT
  
  P.S. Imagine the western media and politicians if Russia stopped at the borders of Galicia and said “that’s now Ukraine and we are not going to occupy it — it’s all yours!”. Who does Putin think he is! It would be a fait accompli, because there is naff all NATO could do about it without going to war with Russia — and they know it too.
JJ on March 18, 2022 · at 6:34 am EST/EDT

This is probably why Russia and Poland/NATO shouldn’t; exactly this scenario played out in western war gaming, which didn’t have an outstandingly positive outcome! –

https://thefederalist.com/2022/03/04/nato-involvement-in-ukraine-could-spark-nuclear-genocide-heres-how-it-could-happen/