I think that the unexpected fall of Slaviansk hit us all very hard. We were used to think of it as a new Stalingrad, as a Donbass version of Bint Jbeil, and the sudden withdrawal of Strelkov’s forces was a surprise for us all. And I really mean us all, including the Ukies (who had predicted that Strelkov would fight to the last bullet there). And that is exactly what Strelkov wanted.
I could go over all the arguments of Auslander or those of the anonymous Ukie General, but all I could add is that I agree with them. But why do that again? I already discussed the likely evolution of the combat situation in the Donbass (see here) and I specifically discussed the only real importance of Slaviansk, a symbolic one. If somebody still sincerely believes that Strelkov’s move was anything short of a very smart and perfectly timed withdrawal from an untenable position, I have no more arguments to challenge such a belief. To the others I will say this: retreating is one of the most difficult and important skills in warfare, completely underestimated and misunderstood by civilians, it constitutes a grueling and most revealing test of the quality of the forces executing it. It appears that Strelkov achieved a near-perfect, orderly and impeccably timed retread from an already surrounded Slaviansk and that is the best proof possible of his superb tactical skills.
What I would like to do now, is look not at the tactical issues, but at Russian strategic options. Not how Russia would try to do this or that, but rather what the Russian final, campaign, objective is likely to be.
Putin’s motives and goals
First, I have to tell you that the only logical working hypothesis about Putin is that he is doing what he believes is the best for Russia and the Russian people. The notion that he is a “coward” or that he “sold out” is at prima facie ridiculous: if that had been the case, he would not have ordered the Russian forces to snatch the Crimean Peninsula right under the nose of the US and NATO. Nor would he have dared to openly challenge the AngloZionists over Syria. No, if Putin is not sending the Russian forces into the Donbass it has nothing to do with fear or with a some putative Russian weakness. It has everything to do with the fact that he has come to the conclusion that this would not be the right tactic to achieve his strategic goal. That is the only logical explanation.
I would note that a recent poll also shows that 60% (sixty percent!) of Russians agree with him and do not want to send troops into the Donbass. Does that mean that 60% of Russians are cowards or have been bought off by the NWO? Hardly.
Sending in Russian forces into Novorussia is a tactic, a means to achieve something else. This is not a goal per se, right? So what is the goal?
I think that the first thing we need to ask is this: can Russia accept, or somehow live with, the US project? What is that project again? A unitary (non-federal) Ukraine run by russophobic Nazis completely under US control, with NATO inside the Ukraine and any forms of Russian influence out. At the very best, that would mean that Crimea would be under constant threat of attack and, at the worst, this would mean a Ukie/NATO/US attack on Crimea as soon as enough forces would have been mustered. Ask yourself, is that an outcome acceptable for Russia? Is there any chance that Putin could be persuaded to accept this? My reply is an emphatic ‘no way!’. This is simply not an outcome Russia can accept, regardless of who sits in the Kremlin.
Ok, so what about a deal with Poroshenko? Something like, “you give up Crimea, and I give up Donbass“?
Nonsense. First, there is no Poroshenko. Well, ok, there is a guy called Poroshenko in Kiev, but he has no power at all. The real power is not even Obama, it’s the US “deep state”: Obama’s puppet masters and Poroshenko’s puppet masters. Now ask yourself a basic question: does the US “deep state” need Donbass? Of course not!
The Donbass – who needs it who does not?
What is the Donbass? In a few words, the Donbass is a completely Russian region which by the absurdities of history has found itself part of the Ukraine, just like Crimea. Furthermore, the Donbass is a region almost exclusively focused on trade with Russia. It has coal and high tech industrial capabilities (including military). The US, the EU or even the AngloZionist empire as a whole has exactly zero need for the Donbass. Russia yes, Russia could definitely use much of the potential of the Donbass, but not anybody else. Now, if the Donbass is handed over the the Nazi-controlled rump-Ukraine (what I call Banderastan) it will thereby and automatically lose any and all of its value: cut off from Russia, the Donbass is useless. Just like a key is only useful when there is a lock, Donbass is only useful through its relationship to Russia. Cut that off and Donbass is worthless.
So what would happen to a Donbass part of a unitary Banderastan? Well, first, Russia would have to immediately cut it off from the Common Trade Zone (to protect Russia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Armenia and future members) from EU goods. Furthermore, the junta freaks have already announced that Banderastan will not supply the Russian military industry. Besides, the Donbass is already in free fall – since the beginning of the year the exports to Russia have dropped, if I am not mistaken here, by something like 1/4, or 25%. So, let’s face it, if the Nazi junta ever gets the Donbass, it will be a wasteland, and not the major source of income it has been since 1991.
Setting aside the “patriotic” values of an imaginary state (the Ukraine) “re-taking” its historical lands (at least in their imagination), the Donbass has zero value and therefore neither the junta nor the US will ever agree to such a trade.
You might ask why the Ukies are fighting so hard to get their hands on a useless piece of land. It is really simple.
So what is the fight really all about?
First, remember, the Ukies decide nothing. It’s Uncle Sam. And Uncle Sam wants a new Cold War, Uncle Sam fosters wars and crises everywhere, because that is crucial to justify NATO and because it keeps the dollar going. For Uncle Sam, a decade long war in the Donbass is perfect: make them accursed Russkies pay for Syria, get NATO closer to Russia’s border, scare the crap of out the Europeans, crash the Euro in the process, and justify NATO. What could be better?!
But the junta also has a need for war. For one thing, it provide the perfect scapegoat: Putin, the Moskals, the all-powerful FSB, etc. That also creates an atmosphere of fear, which is excellent for police powers, human and civil rights abuses, etc. It also allows the Nazis to hunt for “saboteurs” and “Russian agents” (anybody who disagrees with their ideology or policies). A war is also a perfect way to explain the crisis. It is even a way to make great money: Kolomoiski has already made millions by overcharging the Ukie military for fuel. Last but not least, wars create chaos and thugs always like chaos and lawlessness: that is an environment they always prosper in.
So both Uncle Sam and his Nazi junta in Kiev want war, not the Donbass.
What does that mean for Russia?
Well, we have established that Russia cannot allow the US plan for the Ukraine to succeed. Russia cannot allow a unitary Nazi and NATO state on its western border. We also have established that no deal can be made, there is nothing to negotiate simply because neither Uncle Sam nor the Nazi junta have any interest at all in any form of negotiations. The only possible conclusion from this is that Russia has only one option left: victory. Or, if you prefer, total defeat for the junta in Kiev and for Uncle Sam.
In reality, Russia has no choice
I want to stress here that this is not strictly speaking a “choice”. Think of it this way: if I point a gun at your chest and say ‘your money or your life’ you do, I suppose, have kind of a “choice”, but we don’t really call that a choice, do we? Same here, Russia does, of course, have the choice to put her very existence at risk, but no sane Russian ruler could ever agree to let a unitary Nazi Ukraine on the Russian border. So Russia has to resist this outcome. Russia must defeat this US/Nazi alliance and its goals. And for this the Nazi junta in Kiev must fall.
To put it simply: Russia’s real goal in the Ukraine is regime change.
Nothing short of that will do. Russia must absolutely de-Nazify at least most of the Ukraine, at the very least everything west of the Dniepr and probably even Kiev. If Russia had a common border with a normal, sane, Ukraine and that Ukraine had a common border with some kind of small Galician Banderastan, then Russia probably could live with it. But such a mini-Banderastan would be either highly subversive to the rest of the Ukraine or non-viable. I cannot imagine that. Besides, chances are that even the folks in the western Ukraine will come to their senses sooner or later and realize that Nazism is good for nobody, not even for them.
The Ukie freak show |
Right now, the Ukrainian people have clearly gone mad. The latest poll shows that pedophile maniac Liashko as the most popular political figure in Banderastan. Followed by Iulia Timoshenko and Vitalii Klichko. Looks terrible, of course, but look at those numbers again: all the candidates shown here together get 74%. So what about the remaining 26%? Whom would they pick?
When you have the most popular politician at 23.1% and the six most popular ones together at 74% – you know that you have a country in a deep political crisis. And also, we are not told why the polled Ukrainians picked these figures? Okay, to pick Liashko you have to be a raving lunatic or a drooling idiot or both. But what about the rest? Maybe they were picked not as the best, but as the “least worst”? Whatever may be the case, I suspect that most Ukrainians are decent, mentally sane, and basically good people. Sure, there is a large number of freaks amongst them, but that is normal in a country which is basically bankrupt and which has undergone 20 years of russophobic neo-Nazi brainwashing. This has got to change. Sooner or later, this has got to change.
If we add to this the fact that the Ukraine is basically finished economically, dead for all practical purposes, and that no matter what the economic crisis will explode before the end of the year, we can see why regime change might very well happen even without any Russian intervention at all.
The only game plan in town
From the above we can make a three simple and basic conclusions:
1) Under no circumstances can Russia allow Novorussia to fall
2) Regime change in Kiev is a vital Russian strategic goal
3) Moscow will only move in its military forces as a last resort
Now Putin’s game plane become, I think, clear: keep Novorussia capable of resisting while waiting for regime change in Kiev. This, of course, does not mean that Russia’s aid will become official, though it might, especially if the Ukies go crazy and the humanitarian situation get’s worse. Furthermore, and cynical as this may sound, the war in Novorussia is a fantastic factor of psychological mobilization of the people in Russia and in Novorussia. Again, let’s face it, what I call the “resistance potential” of Novorussia is far from being achieved and most Novorussians are still observing it all on TV. But now that Slaviansk has fallen and it looks that Donetsk and Lugansk are next and now that Ukie artillery can already been heard downtown, you can rest assured that more and more Novorussians are going to realize that this is not a war they can simply observe on their TV sets: they voted for independence en masse, now they will have to defend that choice, also en masse.
As for Russia, I can assure you that the daily barrage of horrible, outrageous and infuriating news from the Ukraine has already had a huge impact in Russia. Just consider these figures which a Kremlin official has released yesterday. Officially, there are now 481’268 refugees from the Ukraine in Russia, 414’726 in the border region (Rostov) alone, and 20’461 have already applied for refugee status. So while the US State Department denies the reality of this phenomenon or, alternatively, explains it by the fresh air of the “Rostov mountains” (no such thing) or by people “visiting their grannies”, the Russian audiences are shown huge Il-76 heavy transport aircraft regurgitating entire families, long lines of refugees on Russian border posts (which, by the way, the Ukies regularly strike “by mistake”), popular music groups (such as DDT) make concerts to collect assistance funds, entire tent cities build by (the world class) EMERCOM and scores of refugees are hosted all over Russia in hotels, families or even specially built centers. So please don’t kid yourself, if the horrors in the Donbass are “not seen” by the western Ziomedia, they are a daily feature on all Russian news media and this barrage of events is having a deep and long-term effect on the general population.
The good news for Novorussia and Russia
Banderastan is doomed. Right now, it is artificially kept alive by western aid, by Russian gas (illegally diverted into reserves this Spring) and, mostly, by inertia. Just like a big train cannot stop immediately, so a big state like the (now defunct) Ukraine cannot just crash overnight. But if is losing its momentum at a dizzying speed. Moscow has turned off the gas, foreign loans will barely cover the interests on the Ukie debt and the war in the East of the country is not only costing billions, but it is destroying the infrastructure of the richest part of the former Ukraine. The Kiev junta is composed of incompetent freaks who have no idea at all as to how to tackle the real problems and who, therefore, literally only execute Uncle Sams orders. As for Uncle Sam, not only does he not give a damn about the Ukies and their pathetic Banderastan – he is quite happy with having set-off such a huge crisis right between the EU and Russia.
What about the so-called “anti-terrorist operation” against Novorussia? Well, let’s just say that the new Minister of Defense of Banderastan has exactly zero military experience and that he has already announced that the Ukie strategy will be to encircle and blockade Lugansk and Donetsk. Yup, that’s right, the Ukies have already announced that they will not try to take these cities. Of course, since the junta has always lied about everything, we can be pretty darn sure that they will give it a shot, but since their chances of success are close to zero (offensive urban operations negate almost all Ukie advantages), they have already announced that this is not a goal.
[As a side bar, I would note here that something interesting happened: following the Ukie “victory” in Slaviank, a whole number of top-raking Ukie security officials have been fired and replaced. What does that tell you about the real meaning of what happened?]
There is no doubt that time is on Russia’s side and that the collapse of the entire Banderastani state is inevitable within the next 4-6 months. What really remains to be seen is whether Novorussia will be able to resist without overt Russian help for that long. My guess is that yes, it will, but with the Ukie takeover of the entire northwest part of Novorussia (the greater area around the Slavianks-Kramatorsk) the Novorussian have no more strategic depth. Now it’s “not a step back” time both for Novorussia and for Russia herself. Another Ukie success could turn the tide, especially psychologically. It is one thing to surrender an indefensible town, quite another to lose Gorlovka or Snezhnoe and risk losing the Krasnyi Luch – Antartsit node. If these key nodes get overrun by the Ukies the defense of Luganska and Donestk will become Novorussia’s last stand.
In conclusion – dispelling a few myths
There are a couple of myths I think need to be dispelled in conclusion. The first one is that resistance was futile, that Strelkov or Putin (or both) did the the Novorussians what Papa Bush did to the Iraqi Shia: told them to rise up only to let them be massacred. In fact, this idea assumes that Nazis can act without terror and massacres. So let me remind you here that there was no uprising, no Strelkov, in Odessa, which nonetheless got its massacre and which now lives in a daily regime of terror. Furthermore, the same regime of terror can now be found in Kharkov which, initially, also wanted to join Novorussia, but whose resistance was very effectively crushed by the SBU and the Right Sector thugs. The same goes for Mariupol. All these cities now live in an atmosphere of fear, ruled by the death squads and gang of thugs of the local oligarchs to whom these cities were literally *given* by the junta (folks like Kolomoiski or his henchman Palitsa in Odessa). Against Nazis you are always better off resisting to your last bullet and the solution for the Nazi occupied part of the Ukraine is still the same one: resistance, struggle and regime change in Kiev. To blame the war on Putin and/or Strelkov is simply ludicrous.
Then there is the comparison between Crimea and the Donbass. Simply put, there is nothing to compare. These are completely different region with a radically different geography and a completely different ethnic and ideological makeup. To simply say that Putin could have done in Donbass what he did in Crimea completely overlooks the reality on the ground. There is absolutely no reason at all to believe that the people of Novorussia are all united in a desire to become part of Russia like the people in Crimea were. Sure, they did vote for sovereignty, but that could mean anything, from a sovereign entity in a federal or confederal Ukraine, to an independent status to becoming part of the Russian Federation. We should not confuse anti-Nazi feelings and anti-Ukrainian feelings. One can hate the Nazi junta in Kiev and still want to remain Ukrainian in his/her identity. So yes, there are clear signs that the Donbass wants nothing to do with the Nazi regime now in power in Kiev, but from that we cannot automatically conclude that a majority of Novorussians want the Donbass to become part of Russia. This might be changing right now with this war, but we don’t know that yet.
Lastly, there is the issue of Russian global power. Some believe that Russia is weak and simply cannot afford an overt and global struggle against the AngloZionist Empire. They point out, correctly, that Russia is dependent on many foreign imports (pharmaceuticals, computer chips, etc.). Other claim that Russia is almost invulnerable, that it could afford a frontal economic confrontation with the West and prevail. Neither of these claims are true.
Russia is dependent on foreign imports for many things. And there is a lot of Russian money aboard, in UK banks and in offshore accounts. The Russian economy is doing “okay” at best, but with all of the EU in a recession, there are pretty good signs that Russia is getting there too. And this is normal – just 15 years ago Russia was close to becoming a failed state, like the Ukraine today, and what Putin managed is a quasi-miracle, but even quasi-miracles take time and Russia is far, very far, from having truly recovered her health. There are also major systemic problems inside Russia, such as corruption, capital flight, a crazy interest rate policy, most Russian companies incorporated abroad, a sub-par taxing system, etc. Yes, Russia is doing better and better, it has huge reserves of money, natural and human resources, and the long-term prospects are nothing short of excellent. Alas, this already happened in Russia history.
“Give Russia 20 years of peace“ |
The brilliant reformer and Prime Minister of Russia Piotr Stolypin once famously said: “Give Russia 20 years of inner and outer peace and you won’t recognize her.” He was murdered by a revolutionary in 1911 and we all know what happened afterwards. Putin was never given his 20 years of peace either, and it sure does not look that he will ever get it, and neither will Russia, at least not as long as the AngloZionists occupy the planet. And that means that Russia will not recover her full health and her full potential any time soon either. In other words, whether or not Russia could somehow survive a full scale confrontation with the West is immaterial – what matters is that Russia has a strategic interest to do everything in her power to avoid it. This is why Putin is so careful and this is probably why 60% of Russian do not want the Russian military to enter Novorussia: they don’t want to compromise what has been achieved as such great cost and effort by Putin’s Russia in the past 15 years. Again, if there is really no other way to save Novorussia from a Nazi takeover, the Russian military will most probably enter Novorussia. But I think that the Kremlin has a mandate from the Russian people to keep that option as the one for an absolute last resort (with minor or even limited military actions always, and by definition, possible).
The Saker
Well, Saker, I hope you are right about the eventual collapse of Kiev junta, but I am not so sure it’s inevitable. I agree that Putin cannot permit the continuation of this fascist regime and that Crimea will eventually be threatened. I am also not so sure time is on Russia’s side. On verra bien.
Because for most of its history Galicia was not Nazified? That Galicians (and Volhynians, Podolians, etc.) are not incorrigible monsters that must be shunned like plague victims for all time?
It also brings up other questions. Are Novorossiyans really a new group, or is this simply a way for the Kremlin to separate them from the rest of Russia as a useful but neglected buffer state?
More to to the point, what do people think Strelkov’s goals are? Everything about this guy’s background screams he is pro-reunification of historical Russian lands. Who thinks he will settle with letting Donbass become another Transnistria? Or let Kiev become ‘neutral’ territory? Something is going to come to a head there as well.
That was directed to Andrew by the way. I seem to have hit the wrong button
Translated into Serbian and posted here, Saker.
Something to keep in mind is that the Ukie behavior towards those who oppose the Nazis – terror, massacres and thuggery – is counteracting those years of brainwashing, making more people re-examine their identity. If Novorossians can break the Ukie military, this may prompt more towns and regions to rise and overthrow the Nazis. It may not be enough to just hold on, though…
Strelkov/Donetsk is one axis of resistance but it must be coupled with guerilla warfare throughout Novorossia and further. Since there can be no major offensive campaign at this time I’d be willing to bet that the guerilla campaign is well underway in the underground.
Mobile guerilla warfare ensures that if something goes wrong in Donbass, the resistance survives.
Okay. One more time for the cheap seats — no one knows what Putin is thinking BUT PUTIN. Either he’s a man of integrity — or not. I made my choice regarding him some time back. Can’t tell you exactly how or why I came to my conclusions about Putin. Just my sense he was trustworthy. Maybe it started at Sochi. The things he obviously thought were important to convey to the world at Sochi. Putin had me at Sochi. Frankly, I think it was the best $50bil ever spent by Russia.
Remember when he warned East Ukraine to stay put for now… People didn’t notice that so much in all the hubbub. Maybe it was because there were better seasons to start a civil war for Novorussia. Spring was perhaps not the best time to leverage “turning off the gas”. Maybe autumn was a better war strategy. Or maybe Putin had other plans to put in place to encourage Ukrainian Oligarchs to “play-ball”. Who knows? I certainly don’t. Those with a firm moral foundation hate seeing innocent lives wasted by evil. But this resistance was ALWAYS going to be a fight which caused civilian deaths. Those deaths are caused by the Kiev junta and its benefactors — aka “ZUSA deep state”. And each death is making it harder and harder for ZUSA and its MSM to ignore. The azzholes at DOS-CIA are being outed for the lying bastards they are…
You guys really need to 1) stop micro-managing Putin — he’s doing just fine without your help and 2) understand that Americans are NOT the same as their deep-state ZUSA controlled cutout government. Give us some slack. The muppets are waking up from a long nap. To my Russian friends let me add that you used the US as the dumping ground for the Bolshevik scum you (rightly) shed over the past 100 years. Thanks for nothing. Their prodegny are now the deep-state stormtroopers planning and executing (with non-Bolshevik blood and treasure) all the evil shit the US has done over the past 50 years-plus. Not saying there weren’t some other well-paid non-tribe minions and idiot Zio-Christians in the mix. You guys have no idea of the brier-patch mentality unless you’ve lived here. 911 Truth is changing all that.
All the predictions are meaningless. The BIGGEST difference between now and then (Serbian war, etc) is that so many average Americans are waking up. People like me. I’m “deep-states” worst fuking nightmare. I represent SO MANY MORE just like me. It’s why they troll my house and take pictures of me and my family. They are SO FUKING FEARFUL of what I represent.
Its funny. I don’t worry about Putin. I watch his moves because its like a masters class in strategy. Its fun to see the patterns. Maybe its because I don’t place my trust in anything but God. And as such I free myself from expectation. I only expect others to follow for truth.
Emotional oscillation is useful in engendering disorientation and doubt.
Doubt is sometimes assuaged and bridged by belief.
Humans are prone to conflate “an answer” with “the answer” and protect their answer by positing a catagoric imperative – i.e. positing that no choices exist and protecting their extrapolations by the notional limiter “logical”.
Some are nervous of silence and seek to fill it by expounding extrapolations on limited data.
Some feel they have a resposibility to respond and do so by expounding extrapolations on limited data.
Some try to bridge doubt, silence and their perceived responsibility by honing in on details.
Some even pass opinion on matters of which they have no data.
Given that new endeavours are hoped to take flight is it not time to pay regard to the above tendencies?
And how about finally recognizing, that if Russian “deep state” strategy depends on whether Strelkov will decide to stay in or out of Slavyansk, and whether he himself (and he could have been killed along the way many times), will be able to strengthen Donetsk defenses, is really not a viable nor serious nor in any way “a strategy”. Let alone a calculated Putin approved strategy. It all looks like that such thing as Russian “deep state” doesn’t exist any more as if it did, we wouldn’t be facing such dare outcome or circumstances that we are currently facing. Take it as you want, but any normal person can see that. And this is coming from a person who truly adores Russia. Whether in glory or in mud.
The gung-ho maidanista student whom I heard about tonight is unlikely to be the only young guy to have undergone “extraordinary rendition” from Kiev by his parents…Scales are falling from eyes I believe.
AGS,
I’m with you. I never believe government of any size or location, and anyone in authority generally is the dumbest a**hole in the village.
Given the greed that now feeds the venality of the Elites, the failed ideology that must be covered over, the Cult rules of conformity and the destruction of privacy, censorship and surveillance by every level of corporate fascist plugin, it is easy to know your attitude is correct.
America has been destroyed. Some Americans are brave enough to face that reality. But as in Donbass, most are too frightened to fight back.
However, it never takes a majority. It only requires a few effective people to ignite a rebellion. Soon, most people will have nothing to lose to bring the evil regime down.
The Rubicon in people’s mind is death. They think they can vote Freedom back in their life. They think they can say no to Tyranny in the Gallup poll and it will take its boot off their neck.
You have to put the dagger,the sword, the gun, to the Tyrant like it was done at Runymeade for the Magna Carta.
You have to kill them. Donbass is discovering that eternal truth.
The least people should do is learn to shoot. The pacifists should learn medicine so they can help save the militia lives and a few of the innocents.
We won’t see sudden redemption, peace and justice in the world any time soon.
Putin may bring down the Hegemon with the help of China. But people have to understand this existential trap we all are trying to escape requires decapitating the Elite war mongers and plutocracy stealing our future.
But, that’s my DNA. I’m predisposed by my grandfather’s life on a stony island whose culture was made very famous by a Don’s last name, which carries the name of the town my grandfather came from. Corleone.
I take revenge cold or hot. My patron saint is Uncle Nunzio. He carries a 35 inch baseball bat. If I were living in Donbass, Yarosh would have been put through a wood chipper already.
It is perfectly natural, organic and balanced to kill any organism that wants to kill you.
There is a moral responsibility to take down the Hegemon. It is not enough to bemoan the horrors.
Avenge the transgressions and neutralize the psychopaths and sociopaths.
Both classes of murderers know what they are doing is evil. One can’t stop, the other doesn’t care.
Dear Saker,
Your best post/article in a while, and they are usually pretty good despite all the limitations that you have to deal with, ie rebellious teenagers or old tired computers.
At the end of the day though, let’s not forget that we are all making educated, reasonable guesses, while the good folks in the Kremlin have solid real time information about what is going on in the Donbass and in the Ukraine at large. They see the Big Picture, while we can only grasp incidental details.
Best regards,
American Russophile, Gorod Irkutsk
Shale gas is worth crap. It’s an economic black hole where capital goes to die.
As for the reason why Kiev is so adamant about taking Donbass, I assume a huge part is to avoid having a precedent set where one part of the Ukraine is chopped off.
If one part of the Ukraine peels itself off from this artificial state, then it sets a precedent for other parts of the Ukraine from doing the same. This is also why the EU wants the Donbass squashed too.
Chopping up states they want chopped up is fine (I.e., Yugoslavia with Germany encouraging the independence of Slovenia), but they don’t want others inside their own borders to see anything along these lines being successful.
Cicero:
Because for most of its history Galicia was not Nazified? That Galicians (and Volhynians, Podolians, etc.) are not incorrigible monsters that must be shunned like plague victims for all time?
God knows I love the Galicians and certainly they are not all Nazis, but given that many were already incorrigible Nazis at the moment of invasion on June 22, 1941 (the photos of them throwing flowers at the German and unfurling huge Nazi demonstrations of loyalty are well known, as were their demands to be able to fight in the SS and join the struggle against Jews and Poles), the poison was already introduced earlier. Germany liked what it saw enough to annex Galicia to Germany instead of leaving it part of the Reichskommisariat Ukraine, considering 140 years under Austria enough time for the Galicians to be half-Germanized already.
More to to the point, what do people think Strelkov’s goals are?
Well, Col. Strelkov is either one of two things. Either he is a romantic Gentleman of Fortune (a type of character well known from the 1100’s onwards in Europe), off on what he views as a noble military adventure that is congruent with his personal beliefs (Orthodox and Russian), or he is a higher up in the GRU/FSB working under orders from the Kremlin and the Russian Deep State to accomplish a specific goal in Ukraine. Honestly, the same goes for Boroday as well.
You can take your pick, and honestly, they don’t need to be mutually exclusive choices – he could be both. If he weren’t working for the “wrong” side as far as the West is concerned he would be the sort of character lionized and glamorized by Hollywood as a dashing hero a few years hence if he is successful – like Lawrence of Arabia. His story is certainly interesting enough and long enough to support mutliple big screen adventures.
There used to be a US Navy commercial with the line: “If someone were to write a book about your life, would anyone want to read it?” I’d say I would like to read Strelkov’s.
Young Oak – you should look at their declaration of independence posted here about 3 articles down from the top:
http://iouco.tumblr.com/tagged/english
No recognition from Russia but contacts of course. A couple of the Russian enclaves have extended recognition though FWIW. The language law was not passed but was emblematic of the people who came to power. Basically the critical positions of power were handed to people with virulent anti-Russian agendas, regional governors were replaced with people considered loyal to the junta – the writing was on the wall and all subsequent behavior has borne this out.
well done write up Saker.
this article was reposted at
http://uprootedpalestinians.wordpress.com/2014/07/08/for-russia-the-issues-is-tactics-not-strategy/
Young Oak,
You are asking people here to provide you with information you could find out yourself. Much better to ask for fishing lessons than to ask for fish.
Start with a search engine (not google – i suggest Ixquick, Startpage, Dogpile or Mama) and search ” how to do web search”, “search techniques” and “advanced search techniques”
I’m sure you’ll find the process liberating and empowering.
Happy fishing!
Saker, there can be no doubt that your blog is the best single source of information on the situation in the the Ukraine. If you are not getting exposure in Polish and wish to,please signal to that effect.
I admire your knowledge of current killing systems and the tremendous effort and energy you expend. Given my own agitation even in far Wyoming,I can imagine your anguish.
This said, however, I have rarely agreed with either byour operational analyses or your predictions. I think it is not short of monstrous–given that it could have been prevented by lttle more than a hard stand and maybe a a few overflights–that Moscow allowed the enemy offensive to proceed. If the two oblasts fall it will be not only a disaster for the regional population but–by encouraging the West to further gambits–Transnistria and Armenia for starters–and an intensified multinational buildup in Ukraine.
The fall of Slavyansk surprised me not at all. I posted about a month ago that the defenders would inevitably run short of ammunition and be forced to either break out or be destroyed. It is possible, as Olive Green astutely suggests that the breakout may have come earlier than it absolutely had to because of the antics afoot in Dontetsk city.
The Ukrainian command has been( as I noted some time back)deliberately targeting civilians to make as example for other restive cities of what happens to those who defy Kiev.
At this point, the defenders of the two major cities are compelled to take offensive measures-short, sharp attacks, infiltration outside of the siege lines to act agaist convoys and isolated posts.I can only hope that some of the rudementary but essential measures I mentioned to Nora a couple weeks or more back are– in fact– underway. Sadly, I doubt that they are.
Time will tell whether–as I continue to believe–that Moscow (which is, after all pressured by bits own oligarchs and selfish elites) made an historic error in failing to move decisively three months ago. Even today, although to sever the snakes head Russia would have move directly against Kolomoiski, a brief, but powerful campaign sending tens of thousands of beaten soldiers stumbling westward, fuming with fury at those who exposed them, would–I think–create turmoil and probably trigger a second civil war.
Tom
Young Oak:
The best I could find is the link to the adopted Constitution of Donetsk (14 May) (in yandex english)
Note also:
Self-proclaimed Donetsk, Lugansk republics adopt act on unification (24 June)
I also stumbled upon:
Luhansk Republic’s government dismissed (4 July)
and
New PM approved in Luhansk People’s Republic (8 July)
“Marat Bashirov says the Luhansk People’s Republic would switch over to rubles since the Ukrainian Finance Ministry disconnected the Luhansk treasury from stata servers”
Andrew,
I think you’ve mixed up miles/acres/ft in your area estimates for drilling pads. Also, the Novorossiyan struggle is a direct function of our deliberate efforts fostering Bandera supporters, Pravy Sektor, Svoboda and various assorted oligarchs as part of our never-ceasing attempts to weaken and/or destroy Russia.
Daniel Rich,
Well, I’d never heard of a Strangler Fig so I followed your link and it sure does fit — resource extraction, outgrowing the host (it’s basically a parasite). But what was most chilling is the last sentence, “An original support tree can sometimes die, so that the strangler fig becomes a “columnar tree” with a hollow central core.”
dusty,
“The Israelis can’t win because the resource they lack is the will to succeed.”
I’d say the Israelis absolutely possess the will to succeed: their problem is how to market their barbarity to the US and EU without losing any cash flow. And I think if the Novorossiyans were to go against their basic decency and do what you suggest, they’d have the same problem — not “just” with the rest of the world looking on in horror (we would make sure of that) but in gaining supporters inside Ukraine as well. Morally as well as tactically, it’s about the worst thing they could do.
@pessimist:
Thanks, but the “Declaration of Independence of the Republic of Novorossia” just reads like a copy-replace edited version of the U.S. Declaration of Independence. Is this for real? Is there any evidence to back up any of the claims that are being made in this document? We’re in 2014, not 1776.
@james
I’m asking for somebody to help by offering specific sources on specific questions about Novorossia, not general responses about how to find information on the Internet. To be honest, I’m kind of surprised by your response. If nobody on this blog can easily offer this information in a credible form, then I’m not sure how a noob like me is expected to dig it up.
Parenthetically, I’ve been following the discussions on this blog for a few months now, and while there is lots of very interesting and valuable information here, I can also see why the information war against the Kiev regime is absolutely being lost.
A clear view of what the Kiev regime is doing and why many people in the EU and US might question it is simply not being communicated in a way that is going to speak to a larger audience. In following this conflict for months, I have seen dozens and dozens of articles in the media that repeat the case for the Kiev regime — many of which are very well-written propaganda pieces —, and fewer than ten articles that actually break ranks with the “official narrative” and question it. To me, that’s really a pretty bad score card.
Even if the balance tipped and there were hundreds of articles in the media calling out the US-EU policy of support for Kiev, it almost certainly still wouldn’t be enough to provoke any real changes. Clearly, the opposition has to become overwhelming. These policies exist and will continue to exist until they become a career-ending liability for the political establishment. The arguments against the policies behind this regime really have to go prime time, and for that they need to be much clearer and more comprehensible for non-specialists. At present, we are very very far from that.
Again, if somebody earnestly asks you “what is the Novorossiya project about?’ Or: “Why should we support it?”, it really doesn’t help for to you tell them to “Start with a search engine”. I’m not sure why I even need to point this out.
Please don’t misunderstand me, I am sympathetic to what you are saying, and that’s why I have to also say that you’re never going to have any broad effect on public opinion with these kinds of responses.
This is an information war and it needs to be recognized as such.
— Young Oak
The term ‘deep state’ is used to designate key staff in essential state bureaucracies, industrial sectors, infrastructure maintenance, etc. It represents about 20 percent of the population in most modern nations. This term excludes the billionaire oligarch’s, although these families and individuals control the ‘deep state’ in much of the world. They are typically parasites on the body politic utilizing the ‘deep state’ apparatus to control and exploit the other eighty percent of the population. The oligarchs can be thought of as a modern equivalent of the old aristocracies minus ‘noblesse oblige’ or responsibility to serve society as a whole.
Vladimir Putin can be thought to represent the ‘deep state’ in its key roles in state, industrial, educational, military, etc. apparatus necessary to maintenance of the real world. Putin considers the ‘deep state’ necessary and responsible for Russia and the Russian people. He does not allow the ‘deep state’ apparatus to serve the oligarch’s but the nation as a whole. The oligarchs were given a choice of exile, prison, or to contribute to Russia as a whole. The oligarch’s have privilege, but for Putin privilege requires responsibility to society as a whole. He represent the traditional view of hierarchy, family, religion, etc. The reassertion of the power of the ‘deep state’ over the oligarchs is the source of the oligarch controlled Anglo American Empire’s hatred of Vladimir Putin and Russia. The ‘deep state’ has assumed a role of protecting the people from rapacious oligarch’s in Putin’s Russia and this is partially the internal conflict in Russian politics. I do not know if Putin wishes to destroy the oligarch’s or if he sees them as potentially useful in the Russian hierarchy.
This view of the world system is useful to predict the events likely during and after the inevitable collapse of the exorbitant privilege of the USD as the world reserve currency financial system. In 2008 the system collapsed and eighty percent of average citizens were financially ruined by the ‘deep state’ to make the oligarch’s financial system whole. There are two remaining sources of wealth which will be available to transit the next on rushing collapse event. Will the 20 percent ‘deep state’ sacrifice their retirement wealth and current income to make the financial system whole or will the oligarch’s be forced to pay as the ‘deep state’ of the West abandons its current partnership with the 1 percent oligarchy/.
I do not know the answer, but I suspect the ‘deep state’ of the USA will throw the oligarch’s under the bus with their control of criminal justice, military, etc. before they sacrifice their modest privilege for the preservation of the billionaire parasites. Money is not the only source of power as the oligarch’s of Russia have discovered.
Young Oak said-
Please don’t misunderstand me, I am sympathetic to what you are saying, and that’s why I have to also say that you’re never going to have any broad effect on public opinion with these kinds of responses.
But I’m not trying to effect public opinion with my response to you. But I suspected you might have been trying to effect opinion here by asking questions that you could find answers to yourself. Making ‘suggestions’ through asking questions. It’s a hasbara technique employed on the sharper blogs.
But because I didn’t know what you were really doing, I gave you the benefit of the doubt and my answer (together with my reasoning) was directed to a ‘noob’ as you describe yourself – an innocent in the woods of the information world.
But your subsequent answer indicates someone who is not only articulate but educated, in the broader sense at least. Someone who is well used to reading, researching and communicating.
So you are not in need of direction from me and you appear to be in a very good position intellectually to go find the answers yourself.
In which case, I find myself asking “what are you up to here?”
If you think we are all missing important information, why not do some research and make your case?
Hi Saker,
I am relatively new on this post and I have to say that your thinking is very reasonable. If you are Russian, you would possibly be able to write down a short article with an explanation why Russia never prosper s as I would like to see. I believe that Putin was able to stop looting of the country after Yelcin years, but it seems to me that the same mistakes again and again are made. WHY? Why did at first Putin really allow this situation happen? Did not he know? Yes, he did… I believe that Russia does not really need to plunder its natural resources just to keep Europe and other countries happy. The more resources it has there, the more powerful it could be… If you think, you can somehow contact me, we can explore a bit more about it…
Cheers!
1-“There is no doubt that time is on Russia’s side and that the collapse of the entire Banderastani state is inevitable within the next 4-6 months.”
2-“What really remains to be seen is whether Novorussia will be able to resist without overt Russian help for that long.”
1-Why will Banderastan collapse sooner than Novorossiya? Who has more money or resources? Aren’t the financial problems much greater in Novorossiya than in, say, Kiev?
2-The situation looks a lot better now, with Strelkov in Donetsk, as the number of folks on the enemy’s payroll is likely to decline dramatically and they may finally get some organizational effectiveness.
Canadian,
“The core issue here is not the liberation of the Donbass. The core strategic issue is the liberation of the EU. And as best as I can make out, Putin is making all the right moves.”
Very astutely put. And Father Winter is inexorably en route. What looks to be the biggest “if” right now is what Kolomoiskiy and Akmetov have in store and how well Strelkov can counter them. I do tend to think Russians — oligarchs, NGOs and other interested parties — rather than Russia per se have been “helping out”, thus not only providing Putin with plausible deniability but — think about it — the means to outplay us at our own game! With a Kolomoiskiy-Akmetov deal however, the stakes may just have gone up. Not that it’s necessarily that difficult to out-think a couple of thugs, but their willingness to fight dirty is matched only by their resources with which to do so.
Cicero,
Novorossiyans are not a new group; they’re a very old one — Ukraine, otoh, is a new-ish country made up of two totally different parts, with different religions, cultures and affinities! Most of Novorossiya was traditionally part of Russia (Kiev is central to the very beginnings of Russia), while the western part of the country had been under the control of Poland for many hundred of years until Poland disappeared from the map. An anti-Russian bias, and ultimately a Ukrainian identity, were deliberately fostered in a variety of ways in Galicia beginning when it was taken over by Austria when Poland was partitioned. The bias persisted, among others, throughout the twentieth century and was fostered by the US and UK (Bandera ended up working for MI5) both in Europe and among Ukrainian emigres to Canada and the US. Galicians aren’t monsters but many of them have been taught to hate — which is a whole lot easier than teaching people not to!
AGS,
Yes to your thoughts on Putin, though what did it for me was the realization that he actually cares about law, cooperation and, omigosh, the welfare of the average Russian. Not too many of our leaders have ever given We The People much more than empty, meaningless platitudes and that only when they want our support.
But you’re losing me when you blame Russia for dumping the Bolshevik scum. Uh, American bankers financed them, I thought most of them came on their own and correct me if I’m wrong but wasn’t Trotsky born in Brooklyn? I’m having trouble saying I wish they hadn’t come here — not sure why, it’s certainly what I feel but it somehow seems horrible to say — but I think the real problem is that we keep on making exceptions for them. Such as the very existence of dual-citizenship, much less permitting ANY dual-citizen to have any role whatever, official or not, in our governance. And that idiocy is on US, not them and not Russia.
Tom,
Yes, I’m thinking some sharp moves against Kolomoiskiy and Akhmetov would definitely turn the tide. Against the soldiers or against them personally — they’re bullies and therefore cowards and certainly can’t be trusted but it’s a little early in the game to count on an honest verdict in any international court of law, so… (I can’t believe I just typed that!)
@ Bob Kay
Yes, the Elite Cult/Deep State is putting into play “Bail In” fees for banking accounts and have signaled they are coming after pensions, retirement plans and investor holdings of debt securities for haircuts on their gains.
In the US middle class single family homes are a target. Equity will be fleeced by the government if Obama has his way. He has a hatred of white suburbs and wants to force millions into urban centers where they can be controlled.
There is no end to the fleecing by Liberal governments. The tyranny is militarized, extra-legal, unConstitutional, and systemic.
People need to begin the decapitation immediately. It is them or us. To think a global hegemonic tyranny will reverse course and become benign is delusional. To think that evil cannot be fought is untrue.
Feudal times are upon us. Time to kill the princes and kings.
When Lehman Brothers was taken down by the tribe on Wall Street, they knew the people and the pitchforks would be coming for them. The Wall Street highway men of Goldman and the other outlaw gangs immediately soldiered up with gun permits for conceal carry. They knew they should have been liquidated in the streets.
Instead, they are ten times wealthier while Americans are screwed and buried in Trillions more debt.
Putin and China are offering an alternate world of finance and banking and even discus another Internet.
Imagine the economic threat if a secure Internet competed with the spy-filled American controlled WWW. Half the world of retail sales is on the present Internet. It would move to the new safe Internet.
A better world is possible. People have to let go of the old and embrace a new life of morals and values.
It appears that while Ukrainian troops were shelling Slaviansk, Russian government was transfering the weapons seized from the Ukrainian army in Crimea back to Ukrainian army !!!
The Russian ministry of foreign affairs announced on July the 5th that given the escalation of the military operations in Ukraine, the retrocession of the Ukrainian armaments from Crimea will be stopped.
Link to the Lifenews russian article below:
http://lifenews.ru/mobile/news/136044
As I understand it, Russia did not stp the transfers of the weapons until a few days ago.
I find this completely surreal, but this might well mean that they did deliver to Ukrainians weapons that might well have been used against Novorossia.
Hard to believe, isn’t it?
So much for the supposed Putin’s support to Novorossia.
I wish Saker could explain how this fits inside the broad Russian strategy…
The long term strategies seem to work:
“EU’s united front on Russia falling amid gas needs
Countries’ defiance of EU ban on gas pipeline highlights Russia’s energy clout in Europe”
Associated Press
VIENNA (AP) — A clutch of countries is breaking ranks with the EU’s efforts to put economic and diplomatic pressure on Russia over Ukraine and building a pipeline meant to carry huge amounts of Russian gas to their doorstep… Austria, Hungary, and Serbia — the first two EU members, the third a candidate to join — have said they will build their sections of the project and others may follow, to the displeasure of the EU and United States. In the wake of Austria’s decision last month, Washington urged it to “consider carefully” whether that contributed to “discouraging further Russian aggression.”
Daruma – old news there. I tried to find out from Auslander if he knew whether the aircraft had been transferred a week ago. I have a possible explanation but it would just be speculation. Just glad the transfers have ceased.
Young Oak – did you actually read through the declaration? Do you doubt the grievances listed? They have been in the news at various times since the coup.
There have been articulate responses and explanations in the press, many noted here, but it’s very hard to swim against the current in the MSM which is actively promoting group think propaganda.
You guys read this?
http://www.expatica.com/fr/news/french-news/BNP-Paribas-fine-shows-dollars-key-role-in-global-market-_296740.html
It says the recent big RU-CN deal will be in USD. What gives? Disappointing. :-(
Strelkov called the situation a Exodus. Disturbed and disgusted that not a single word of truth of this coming out here in the us. NOT A SINGLE WORD! I will pray that THE PEOPLE of Donetsk recognize what is upon them. Will they bow down and become a slave for the Evil Empire or will they rise to the moment with courage and integrity to what they are being called to? This is a public call to all able body men of the Donetsk to stand up for their life and freedom. Your country/humanity needs real men to save your Sovereign Republic/world. Rise and meet your destinies, you are being called. Strelkov has now offered pay. There is no excuse. Rise up or be enslaved! Humanity the odds are against us. But it’s times such as these that if THE PEOPLE unite together and pray for victory in God great things happen. The Empires commitment to destroy humanity and in it’s wake leaving the blood of innocent victims murdered for money. I do hope these people were convinced of definite destruction most certainly coming their way by this interview. The question that was asked about how many men were needed has left me in shook. Men aren’t already lined up for miles? WTH! Is it going to be this way here in the us? When are dollar dissolves? Will American men stand up when their called? Or will they bow down and become a slave as well? (already are and propagandized into believing they aren’t) Seriously though, would the basic male citizen of the world do the same… Blessings
Daruma,
You are not sincere here. The Russians gave back the weapons because they like to obey deals and laws. You know that. For better or for worse, the Russian authorities like to present an image to the world of reasonableness and fair play. This creates a contrast with the domineering ways of the Anglo-American system. This strategy has convinced a number of countries that they would prefer to see Russia gain more power in the world.
A mosaic consists of more than one stone.
“08 JULY, 2014 20:57
Afterthought said…
The Jews et al. took that opportunity to stab Putin in the back and slap Russia in the face via the Ukraine….”
I’m tired of reading “the jews” here “the jews” there. Do you wish to pack them jews in trains and send them to nowhere? I suggest you go and wash your brain, because you just sound like the nazis in Kiev.
james@wpc July 9th 2014 ” 03.15
Humans are prone to conflate “an answer” with “the answer”.
Your previous remarks about learning to fish is valid for everyone, not only young oaks.
However perhaps you fail to see other potential motives and opportunities in young oak’s process of discovery.
Perhaps he is sharing hypotheses in progress – giving others the opportunity to join him in fishing to develop technique – quite a different approach to making “research” and presenting it to others.
You will probably have at least some experience of subsumed ideological notions derived from and underpinning the opponents power – including division of labour, knowledge being propriety and the existence of the individual, to name but a few.
Could it not be that young oak is reflecting both Socratic and scientific method thereby affording a social opportunity to escape the ideological labyrinth?
Some uses of the tear quotient counter productive in any lateral strategy.
Let me introduce to you the act you’ve known for all these years – Bibi and his fiddle.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MID-01-080714.html
@I’m tired of reading “the jews” here “the jews” there
But we know where they are: Dnipropetrovsk, Kiev…(Kolomoyski, Yatseniuk…)
Anonymous @ 09 July, 2014 08:17
Perhaps you are right about Young Oak’s thinking and perhaps you have a far better idea of what is on this young mind of his than I have.
But it is all hypothetical, isn’t it? And so it is not going to advance anyone anywhere, is it?
Could it not be that young oak is reflecting both Socratic and scientific method thereby affording a social opportunity to escape the ideological labyrinth?
If Young Oak was able to do as you say, then this would display a rather substantial grasp of academic literary practice and would put him well outside the realm of needing advice from anyone here.
So your point seems to defeat itself.
What we can say, for sure, is that you have introduced lots of hypotheticals that amount to Red Herrings and have used sentences that verge on “word salad”. Both of them dodgy debating techniques. And given your evident grasp of communication, it would seem very implausible that you are doing this unknowingly.
I’ll leave the last word to you and/or “Young Oak”, if you wish to make it.
Larchmonter445,
Nonsense!
Obama is a narcissistic, uncaring corporate tool but hardly a tyrant. He’s just Bush v.2.0, and that’s bad enough. Bob Kay’s points about the Deep State are rather more subtle than just blaming “the government”. Single family homes are not a government target now any more than they’ve ever been: if people lose jobs they can’t make their mortgage payments. That fact has nothing to do with “the government” and everything to do with corporate oligarchs of all stripes doing their level best to grab everything that isn’t nailed down and pay the few workers they keep too little to raise their families on. You guys still worship the Free Market and denigrate “takers” but that’s just what this is! Obama, and Congress, let them do that — it’s morally wrong and socially disastrous but hardly tyranny, it’s simply selling out. Decent regulation, smart regulation, would stop this stuff cold: now find me some Congresscritters (or potential Congresscritters) willing to re-regulate intelligently, and I’m not just talking the Fed.
And as for Obama’s hatred of white suburbs, wanting to force millions into urban centers, fleecing by Liberal (but never Conservative?) governments, and “militarized, extra-legal, unConstitutional, and systemic tyranny” — how ’bout you provide a couple facts, not just quotes from others on your side but actual things that have happened, that back up any of these wild statements. It’s much easier to blame Obama and Liberals for the mess that we’re in than recognize it’s just more of the same and you supported all of it until the official label on top went from Republican to Democrat.
There’s a lot in this country that desperately needs fixing but you’re scapegoating Liberals just like the Galicians scapegoat Russians; then you talk about guns being the solution and end with letting go of the old and embracing a new life of morals and values — presumably your morals and values as opposed to those of any other citizens perhaps not sharing all of them? Why? What gives you the right — just because they’re yours and you *believe* everyone else *ought* to live by them too? I’m sure I share most of them but I’ll be damned if ANYONE is going to tell me how to live my life: that’s not what this country has EVER been about. Freedom is the ability to make one’s own choices, thank you. So my biggest question for you is, after all the bad guys have been shot, what DO you plan to do next? Who will decide? We The People? Or only those who agree with you? I’d, frankly, call THAT tyranny.
james@wpc July 9th 2014
Omniscience cannot exist in any dynamic lateral system so knowing is at best tentative as is communication.
You seem to miss the main possible thrust that perhaps he wasn’t seeking advice, albeit he may not have been fully concious of this himself.
The opportunity he was perhaps affording was to illustrate and offer an invitation potential process to achieve lateral change in perception through social interaction, not as an academic exercise but with the purpose of undermining the opponents.
The ability to do generally improves through interaction and practice.
I would suggest that is what all could benefit from and hence such hypotheticals cannot be deemed red herrings.
Some uses of these hypotheticals and methods extend to strategy formulation and analysis, which was the subject of this particular blog.
In so far as omniscience is not possible there is an aspect of unknowingness in my previous contribution but this is tempered by relevant practice – not academic.
One of the proofs of this is that you responded.
“Last but not least, wars create chaos and thugs always like chaos and lawlessness: that is an environment they always prosper in.”
Unquote.
That is the strategy of England the real evil hand behind all anglos sposored destabilisation and wars.
Unless world tskes out this evil nation of pirate English the world will have chaos all the time.parasite English know that there is a small window of opportunity to take out Russia and China now because both these stupid countries wasted 10 years NOT PREPARING FOR for the coming war against them.
Nora,
You must have missed this: the nation has a Constitution that has been shredded.
You sound like a Lib, making excuses for lawless government agencies and Cult running everything.
America is undergoing fundamental transformation of the Rule of Law from Top to Bottom.
IRS, ICE, HHS, FBI, FEMA, NLRB, VA, and many more all scandalized, corrupt, and tyrannical.
Facts: Fast and Furious, DOJ ATF DEA selling guns to Mexican cartel, border guard and border cities under attack with 1500 guns.
Facts: IRS scandal. Personal and groups apposed to Liberal government illegally prevented from getting 503c status. Coverup, perjury.
Facts: Benghazi. Coverup, perjury. 4 dead Americans.
Just read the news, listen to broadcast.
The government is the agent of crime.
VA: vets dying while they pay themselves bonuses for not serving the vets.
What do you call these felonies? Infractions.
If you can’t perceive that every government agency and department is armed, aimed at the populace and under an ideology to confiscate property and freedoms, then you are smoking too much weed.
You wave a flag in from of your own eyes and don’t see the direct correlation between Obama and the Cult of Liberalism with The Chinese Cultural Revolution. EVery aspect of morality in America is under attack from the White House, the DOJ, and the controlled media sycophants.
Education is corrupted. Students learn ideology, not facts. And they are falling behind third world levels of achievement.
Religion is under frontal assault everywhere.
Patriotism is attacked. Desecrated with LGBT “rights”.
Family is attacked. Gender is attacked.Science is stood on its head.
We have a tyranny and you are blind to corruption, and the destruction.
Sorry that you think your government is your country.
The Constitution is your country. And everyone of the officials is an oath breaker. The President’s only duty is to protect the Constitution. His other responsibilities are tasks. His fealty is the highest order. And he hates the Constitution. He hates America. He and the Cult of Liberalism is the ideology of demons.
They have been at this destruction for 50 years. They have totally destroyed California’s educational system top to bottom, its economy and its power as the growth engine of the nation.
Every blue state is a disaster of ideological freaks.
The border is blown wide open. We are kept in virtual state of high security, while the border is wide open to criminals, terrorists and drug smugglers.
I could go on for 100,000 words.
You are delusional about the US Government.
It is corrupt and demonic.
I have no left/right ideology.
I believe that the Constitution is our only protection. It has been breeched.
The Supreme Court is a joke. Chief Justice Roberts destroys the nation with Healthcare decision that construes Congress passed a tax law with Obamacare. Congress specifically stated it was not a tax law. Roberts has no power to rewrite the Constitution powers of any branch.
IRS is used to enforce Obamacare? And you say this isn’t tyranny?
Delusional.
Elections-a joke. 2 billion dollars to elect a president is an obscenity. Senators raise hundreds of millions to run an election.
Lobbying, K Street, buys the votes and you think this isn’t tyranny? Where’s the power of the people in the electoral system.?
This isn’t a good forum for such matters.
But if you don’t comprehend Liberty versus Tyranny, that’s on you. What do you need to experience? Brown shirts and black boots, a sack over your head and your life snuffed out?
It’s coming.
Even if not very opportune, the issue raised by Young Oak is not without some merit. Allowing oneself to picture the political character of the putative powers/actors in DPR/LPR should have its interest to all imo. Personaly I also felt the curiosity but favoured other more imposing issues.
Having Young Oak pressed the question (for the second time) looking for information which may prove divisive to this forum does not necessarily mean ill-intent, the forum members are obviously free to consider it or dismiss it. In no case should this warrant less courteous conduct from any of us, specially under doubt: diverting one to “google it yourself”, “you can search it as well as I can” is, imo, absolutely pointless. It is also legitimate to think that someone may know and be able to lend a hand. In addition there is a strong language barrier here which benefits from this kind of cooperation, information availability in the different languages.
To reach out to the Constitution of DPR links above I had to literaly pretranslate the search terms into russian and reach useful info, there is nothing significant and properly sourced regarding the Constitution in english language! A useful function of this vineyard is to bridge that language gap since the sources are inacessible to many of us.
Having said the above, either the texts of the Constitution or the Declaration of Independence can only go so far serving as indicatives of some intentional political process, specially since the circumstances are that of a country/region under conditions of war and words on paper burn easily.
It says the recent big RU-CN deal will be in USD. What gives?
China has a superfluity of Dollars from its current account surplus with the US because if you want to sell into the US market, you must accept dollar payments. China has to dump them somewhere unless it wants to hold Treasuries, which are the savings account for international dollar holders, and if what you report is true, that will be Russia, which must want dollars if it is going to accept them. Possibly Russia wants Dollars more than it wants Renminbi, which are not particularly helpful unless you want to buy things in China. Perhaps Russia intends on converting its dollars into gold or oil field technical and engineering services or Mistral ships.
I’ve tried to say this here before and people just got angry about it, but it is reality regarding the role of the dollar in international trade and foreign currency exchange. The dollar trade makes up 45% of the FOREX market, while currencies like the Ruble and Renminbi make up about 1%.
Anonymous said…09 July, 2014 08:01
“I’m tired of reading “the jews” here “the jews” there. Do you wish to pack them jews in trains and send them to nowhere? I suggest you go and wash your brain, because you just sound like the nazis in Kiev.”
Israel hits 160 Gaza sites, 8 children reported dead, Hamas fires rockets
http://rt.com/news/171484-palestine-gaza-israel-offensive/
“At least 50 houses were destroyed on Tuesday and 1,700 were partially damaged, said Palestinian Minister of Public Works and Housing Mufeel al-Hasayneh.
Reports of casualties vary. Palestinian medics told Al Arabiya that 28 people were killed in Operation Protective Edge, adding that more than 150 were wounded in the deadliest day of violence in the coastal strip since 2012.
“Israeli forces killed six children when a missile struck the home of alleged Hamas activist Odeh Ahmad Mohammad Kaware in the southern Gaza city of Khan Younis,” said a statement from the organization. Overall, at least 28 children have been injured in the offensive in the city of Khan Younis.
Also two Palestinian children died in strikes across Gaza: one from Gaza City’s Sheikh Radwan neighborhood, and the other from Gaza City’s Al-Shujaiyah community.
The youngest child killed in the assault was 6…”
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@ Tom,
I don’t necessarily disagree with you in terms of laying the blame for Bolsheviks in the US on the US itself. My point was that America is fighting the same evil that nearly destroyed Russia 100 years ago. THAT should be obvious.
Mendacity and deceit will use the decency and fairness of others as a way to insinuate itself and metastasize evil. Americans revere qualities of intelligence and hard work. In fact — we worship at the alter of material “success”. And we often give people who are wealthy and smart the “benefit of the doubt”. Our weakness is and was to believe that these people were inherently TRUTHFUL. That was a HUGE mistake.
Years ago a friend — whose parents were polish jews– told me she despised Ukrainians because they were “worse anti-semitics than Hitler”. Not knowing ANYTHING about Ukraine or history in that region — I took her word on face value — even though it all sounded a bit odd to me — given the holodomor and all. Years later I began to understand the roots and circumstances of these hatreds. While I don’t agree with the hatred on any side — I understand that the “facts” my friend spoon-fed me was a poor representation of TRUTH. I realize how much she manipulated my thinking about history and peoples and events. She and I haven’t been in touch for some time now. My doing. One must decide which side to carry — and to protect ones consciousness — and SEEK TRUTH — wherever it leads.
The quickening is not for the feint of heart. It takes a lot of courage to shed ones illusions. And friendships are sometimes lost along the way. The blowback can be staggering. As a Christian I must walk-the-walk. If TRUTH destroys lies — which includes my own personal illusions — then so be it.
Finally. The construct and source of “American Exceptionism” is Talmudic. It’s SO MUCH EASIER to make sheep march to the slaughter if you think its because of being “special”. Chosen sheep. Americans are BY NATURE humble people. Even today — away from the “upperwestsidebolshevikelites” you see a very different kind of America.
Our first responsibility is to protect our SANITY. To be SANE is to live in TRUTH. Lies are the very definition of insanity.
As long as Putin speaks truth, I’ll listen. So will more and more Americans.
Nora said…
Larchmonter445,
Nonsense!
Excellent Nora!
Best regards,
Mohamed.
“bob kay said…,
I do not know the answer, but I suspect the ‘deep state’ of the USA will throw the oligarch’s under the bus with their control of criminal justice, military, etc. before they sacrifice their modest privilege for the preservation of the billionaire parasites. Money is not the only source of power as the oligarch’s of Russia have discovered.”
Dearest Bob Kay,
Everything you have said in your post is excellent. The masses take time to wake up from their ‘deep sleep’, and so with it the ‘deep state’ too. Then the cycle continues.
As humans we have been created the best. Better than angels too. As for this reason we have survived for generations as we are good and decent everywhere.
The 1% are evil, and they more than make up for 99%, but when we wake up they better watch out. Then the cycle continues again.
People on this blog think that I have lost my marbles. I believe after the blow back from Benghazi, Libya and at the same time Obama winning the second term, I believe he is a changed man.
I believe that both Obama and Putin are in cahoots now and Crimea was a reward for Putin on a silver platter. So, Ukraine would be too after a while, when it is federalized as per Putin’s wishes.
Best regards,
Mohamed.
“AGS said…,
@ Tom,
I don’t necessarily disagree with you in terms of laying the blame for Bolsheviks in the US on the US itself. My point was that America is fighting the same evil that nearly destroyed Russia 100 years ago. THAT should be obvious.”
Dearest Sister,
Excellent! You are right that the whole world is fighting the same evil since the Exodus. This include the 11 tribes too, which were annihilated by the 1 remaining tribe.
Best regards,
Mohamed.
“Lucky McGriff said…,
This is a public call to all able body men of the Donetsk to stand up for their life and freedom. Your country/humanity needs real men to save your Sovereign Republic/world. Rise and meet your destinies, you are being called. Strelkov has now offered pay. There is no excuse.”
Dearest Sister,
Whenever, there is a war, the people who suffer the most are old, women and children.
So, let us pray for PEACE instead of WAR.
Blessed are the Peace Makers,
Mohamed.
Dreaest Mohamed,
Peace is my greatest desire, with all my heart. After reading the interview of Igor Strelkov the plea that he has stated is a reality. I not want to see more innocent slandered. If the men don’t stand up for the Donetsk and the Lugansk Peoples Republics will they not be murdered, blown up, rapped, and FORCED to leave their land just as the people of Slavyansk. There is a time for peace and then a time for war. Just as Strelkov is doing, I to want to join in the call. As your own country is under attack. Did the men not rise to the occasion?
I want to bring you to Isaiah 37:14 King Hezekiah prayer. They were surrounded, then just look what angel of the Lord did 37:36 He put to death 180,000 men in the Assyrian camp. I don’t claim to know anything about war, only lies about war that my government has told. The world is under attack. Bless the elderly, youths, and women who need their men to stand up and protect them. Or would it be better if they started marching off to the reeducation/concentration camps now. I think not.
I have to say I agree with Larchmonter445 said: You are delusional about the US Government.
It is corrupt and demonic.
God rises up mighty warriors to battle demonic governments all throughout His Holy Word. I believe He’s calling the men of Donetsk and the Lugansk Peoples Republics. Peace to you friend and Blessings!
Totally AGREE! Russia will continue incrementing supply of most modern armament to separatist!
The DONBAS region will remain in separatist hands for a long time!
The UKRAINIANS will turn the back on Poroshenko, (like it is happening now)!
ALL advantages for PUTINS STRATEGY!
then ..just ..WAIT!!205