by Sushi for the Saker blog
Part I may be found here: https://10.16.86.131/a-curious-incident/
Part II may be found here: https://10.16.86.131/a-curious-incident-part-ii/
Part III may be found here: https://10.16.86.131/a-curious-incident-part-iii/
Part IV may be found here: https://10.16.86.131/a-curious-incident-part-iv/
“The world is full of obvious things which nobody by any chance ever observes.”
Sherlock Holmes
The End
Let us begin where it all ends. In the Graveyard. This is the London Road Cemetery located just a few miles to the North of central Salisbury. Image A is a picture of the entrance as seen from the London Road. Note that there are no gates, no means of closing the cemetery grounds to vehicle traffic, no signs to prohibit entry.
Image B is an overhead shot of the same entrance area but from the reverse angle. London Road runs along the top of the image. It is immediately clear that there is significant tree cover leaving the access road dappled in shadow. The trees not only create places of concealment, they also serve to attenuate sound and to restrict lines of sight.
Image C is an oblique image looking toward the NNW. The entry road runs in diagonally toward a turning loop. A second access road branches to the SW and appears to dead end before reaching the cemetery perimeter. The perimeter itself appears to be densely planted. This would obscure exterior sight-lines and also serve to muffle the sound of a pistol shot.
If you intend to murder, the London Road Cemetery offers all the requisite features to facilitate the crime: opportunity for concealed observation of the target, unrestricted access, good reason for encountering strangers, few visitors, and different routes of escape.
In Part III the cemetery was described as the likely place of attack by a single aggrieved individual, Skripal had few known contacts other than Pablo Miller, the Salisbury resident who recruited him into MI6. Both Skripal’s wife and son were interred at this location. Sergei Skripal was known to be a man of habit. It is quite possible that his weekly routine involved a Sunday morning visit to the grave-sites, a visit which gave him the opportunity to reflect on a happier, much less lonely time.
During this period of contemplation it would be relatively easy to approach from behind and deliver a double tap with a .22 pistol. The gun would burp twice before the assailant slips quietly away. Part III proposed an alternate mode of attack in which the cemetery gave covert access to Skripal’s red BMW. With less than a minute of work, a powdered organophosphate toxin might be placed within the car. The assailant immediately exits the scene and has sufficient time to depart Wiltshire, or even to depart England, before inhalation of the toxin causes the inevitable incapacitation of Sergei Skripal and raises the alarm.
Any state agency which sought to eliminate Skripal would first monitor him, learn his movements, catalog all of the locations to which he travelled, and sift through this list of sites in search of an optimum location – quiet, secluded, not too many people, obscured lines of sight, ease of approach, no CCTV cameras, many exits. The London Road Cemetery offers all of these elements. A state actor could easily add poison to the car and be departing Heathrow before it first took effect. That is the chief reason for using a poison. It offers greater opportunity for escape than use of a firearm. But even if you elected to use a firearm, the London Road Cemetery remains a highly attractive venue.
Why would a state actor attempt to end Skripal’s life on a pedestrian mall in central Salisbury? Such a central location delivers the near opposite of the optimum conditions available at the London Road Cemetery.
The reader is invited to place his / her own observations in the comments but the only perceived advantage to conducting an attack at the Maltings is that it offers an opportunity for disaster porn, a form of political theatre in which men with Moon Suits (see Image D below) wander the city centre while massive army lorries rumble about collecting numerous automobiles, each one carefully cocooned in a plastic shroud. There are images on the Web of central Salisbury in the days after the attack. These show public squares bordered by a wall of popular restaurants with not one single person visible at the height of the lunch hour. If the intent of the Skripal attack was to inculcate fear in the population it achieved that effect.
Image E is taken from Castle Road and shows the exterior of the Zizzi restaurant which is closed and under guard. Since the Skripals and Detective Bailey were likely all under medical sedation and unable to speak, it is presumed the restaurant was identified through a bill, or a credit card charge slip, found in Skripals wallet.
Notice that the streets are wet. It rained on March 4 at 1950 and rained again on March 5 at 2050. The rain is a significant factor in these events. If the toxin was applied in powder form then any rain, fog, mist, or drizzle, would serve to wash it away and eliminate the trace evidence. This also holds true if the toxin was applied in liquid form. The only nerve agent known to be engineered for a significant degree of persistence in VX which is a thick liquid. It is so thick that the problem arises of ensuring satisfactory dispersal on the intended target. The FOLIANT program created derivatives of VX.
To the left of the image, adjacent to the light standard, may be seen the building which contains the Market Walk pedestrian arcade. We will return to Castle Street later in this series of images.
Image F is an image of the crime scene. This was taken on March 4th moments after the “air and land ambulances left the scene with the two Russians at about 5.10pm.” There is something unusual in this photograph. I will let you examine it and draw your own conclusions before I present mine.
Image G was taken on March 5th after the crime scene barriers were relocated. A tent has been erected over the bench on which the Skripals were reportedly found. On this side of the tent an adjoining pathway leads to the left of the image. On the edge of this pathway there is a low fence barrier. This low fence barrier, and its jog to the left, is clearly visible in Image D.
Image H is the same image as depicted in Image F. The only difference is that the image has been magnified and then cropped to provide a better view of the critical detail.
Immediately to the front is the crime scene tape, the barrier erected by the police to mark the area within which the crime occurred. This barrier is placed to ensure the preservation of forensic evidence critical to the case. The photographer has approached the police barrier from the north. His picture has its central point of interest a police car parked with its boot open. This police car is parked outside the police barrier line. This may be verified by viewing Image F which shows a portion of a second police vehicle to the image left. This car is being used to supplement the tape in that area to prevent public access to the crime scene.
Note that the photographer is free to walk to the right toward the benches and there is nothing to stop him seating himself on the benches. Both of the benches are outside of the police line and there is no evidence of any police tape along the main walkway to the right.
But if you compare this image with the picture of the Moon Men in Image D, you quickly recognize that the forensic tent was erected over a bench visible to the far right of Image H.
Image I is a 400% enlargement of Image H. The image is starting to break down due the JPEG compression artifacts which become visible at this degree of magnification. You can see the crime scene tape running round the tree trunk. Just above, and to the right of the trunk, can be seen the bench upon which the protective tent shown in Image D is being erected.
The location man be verified by the pathway running off to the right and the jog in the low fence which turns to follow the line of this second path. The car that can be seen is not a police vehicle. It is painted in the livery of the ambulance service.
I leave it to the reader to make his / her own interpretation of this set of images. Earlier mention was made of political theatre. One gets the sense that someone has lost the script and a little outside prompting may be required.
Image J shows the exterior of the Zizzi Restaurant. This was taken before the date of the attack. The building to the immediate left of the restaurant is better seen in the next image.
Image K shows the full exterior face of the building which contains the Market Walk arcade in which was located a CCTV camera which captured the Skripals on the evening of March 4th as they walked past it at 15:47:45.
It is reported that the Skripals departed Zizzi at 15:35. If that is correct then it took them a total of 12 minutes to travel from the white Zizzi door on the right of the image to the arcade entrance to the immediate left of the street sign and walk halfway down to the CCTV camera. Twelve minutes seems to be a very long time to walk past a single building facade.
Maybe we have our locations wrong. Image L shows a close up of the arcade entrance. The signage clearly indicates that this is the entrance to the Market Walk arcade and the same brown and tan tile pattern is seen on the floor. This matches the floor tile in the CCTV image,
There exists the possibility that the Skripals departure from the Zizzi restaurant was a best estimate. Human beings make all sorts of range and duration estimates. We are not as precise as machines which is why we surround ourselves with machines. The CCTV date and time stamp of March 4 15:47:45 is likely to be accurate.
Image M presents the last walk of the Skripals. Based on Google map imagery at the 10 meter scale, each bar is 10 metres in length. The first bar is positioned outside the Zizzi entrance and then proceeds due South toward the Market Walk arcade entrance. Few people walk in an absolutely straight line so there is some degree of error in this depiction.
Approximately 25 meters from the Zizzi entrance a second set of red and white bars show the route through the arcade. The location of the CCTV camera is estimated to be at the 40 meter mark. The evidence provided by the CCTV time stamp is that the Skripals went past the camera at 15:47:45 and were discovered on a park bench by a passerby at 16:04:00
From the CCTV location to the jog around the G&T store is another 40 meters. The jog is another 10 meter distance and then the distance to the park bench on the west side of the little gazebo structure is about another 10 meters. This analysis is imprecise. We do not know the exact route walked by the Skripals. We can, however, be sure they did not walk in straight lines and, like all humans, would have taken the most direct route from the bridge exit to the park bench area. It is also not possible to determine the exact area of the crime scene as this appears to have been relocated some 15 meters west of the original location depicted in Image F. The measured distance from the Zizzi entrance to the site of the attack is 125 meters.
| Zizzi entrance to Market Walk Entrance | 25 meters |
| Market Entrance to CCTV | 40 meters |
| CCTV to G&T jog | 40 meters |
| G&T jog to Bench area | 20 meters |
| Total Distance walked | 125 meters or 337 feet |
Using data available on the Web it is determined that the average human male has a stride length of 2.5 feet (30 inches). The female of the species has an average stride length of 2.2 feet.
The average walk speed for a human being is 1.4 meters per second. According to Wikipedia walk speed can vary depending on height, weight, age, terrain, surface, load, culture, effort and fitness. The average speed of 1.4 meters per second will be used in these calculations.
Calculations
Zizzi to CCTV
65 meters / 1.4 = 46.4285 seconds. Call it 46 seconds
CCTV to Bench
60 meters / 1.4 = 42.857 seconds. Call it 43 seconds
Total elapsed walk duration = 46 plus 43 = 89 less 60 = 1 min 29 seconds
The couple is reported to have departed Zizzi at 1535. The calculated timing would therefore place them in the bench area at 15:36:30. This creates a conflict with the time stamp shown on the CCTC which recorded their passage at 15:47:45.
If we discard the portion of the route from Zizzi to the CCTV camera and create a time line with a start point of 15:47:45 and a walk duration of 43 seconds this places the Skripals in the bench area at 15:48:32.
Total elapsed time from arrival in bench area to first notification to emergency services is 15 mins 28 seconds. Even if the walk time estimate is doubled, this still results in a period of 14 minutes from when the Skripals arrived in the bench area before the emergency services received notification. There was a further 11 minute interval before the first responders arrived on scene at 16:15 and the victims were not removed to hospital until 55 minutes later at 17:10.
The emergency care delivered to the Skripals during this period is not known. It is highly unlikely that emergency medical service personnel would have diagnosed them as suffering from a military grade nerve agent. The first emergency aid would involve intubation and placing both Skripals on a ventilator. Yulia Skripal is reported to have been airlifted to hospital. It is not known why both victims were not airlifted [update – reporting from March 4 states that Skripal was conscious when transported to hospital but his daughter was unconscious]. The on-scene medics would likely have been in communication with a hospital physician as, apart from an immediate need for ventilation, it is unlikely an EMS technician would be able to undertake a more comprehensive diagnosis. From MSM reporting it appears it was not until the afternoon of March 5th that there was some awareness that this incident involved something beyond a recreational drug overdose. While there appears to be some discrepancy over the timing of events, there is no evident disagreement over the fact the nerve agents created as part of the FOLIANT research program are 8 to 10 times more potent than VX (in one report Vil Mirzayanov. claims the newly discovered nerve agent is 100 times more potent than VX}.
A single drop of VX on the skin is sufficient to result in death within one minute if there is no immediate administration of an antidote.
The nerve agent reported to be used in the Skripal attack is 10 times more toxic, perhaps even stronger than that.
How is it possible for the Skripals to still be alive?
Does the fact of their longevity provide evidence that they were not attacked with a nerve agent 10 times more toxic than VX?
Does that imply May has been misleading the British and global public about these events?
We opened this article with a review of the advantages of making the attack in the London Road Cemetery. It is believed that would be the location selected by any competent state actor. The fact that a less than optimum location was used indicates either a wholly incompetent state actor, or an attack undertaken with the deliberate intent of arousing the maximum amount of fear in the populace. What we are examining is not a dodgy dossier. It is an extremely dodgy attempt at an assassination undertaken in the most inept possible way.
The question is why?
Many persons commenting on the Saker blog, and in information sources other than the MSM, have made statement similar to the following:
While scanning for news that morning I noticed that all of the MSM had basically the same text to describe the event, but in a few cases different headlines, mainly dependent on which side of the Pond they came from. I skipped them, they seemed too coordinated.
This lack of critical coverage on the part of the MSM reduces your ability to come to your own conclusions with respect to the truth. This is a critical issue both with respect to an understanding of this Curious Incident, and to the proper functioning of any democratic polity.
The Saker does not tell me what to write. But he is generous enough, and sufficiently concerned over the current state of geo-strategic chess, that he makes these, and other articles, freely available to a global audience. I see he is presently making an appeal for donations to help defray the cost of hosting the site. I am paid nothing, but I do have an IT background and IT is not inexpensive. I ask that if you find this series informative that you support the site.
The Saker has not asked me to make this request.
Part VI concerns framing issues. This involves deliberate manipulation of public opinion.
Part VII presents the motives of the attacker.
In memory of David Christopher Kelly, CMG (14 May 1944 – 17 July 2003)
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If one takes a look at the image (not shown on this site but available on the mildly treacherous johnhelmer site) one notices several things: 1) the Skripals look at the camera as they pass it by, yulia going to some effort to expose her face to it; 2) the gate of their strides is long suggesting haste, and their strides are well coordinated: 3) the father appears to be coaching the daughter to engage the camera.
So let’s just called a spade for the shovel it is.
The Skripal’s are willing accomplices in this hoax. The camera caught them eagerly walking along at greater than normal pace. I think they stuck an enema each up their rectum and took 10 Valium’s then raced to the bench where they sat down. Yulia succumbed first and the father monitoring the event started waving his arms around to signal he was succumbing too and that the Dr corralled nearby should be kicked out into the science to secure their lives. The Dr could have been invited into the vicinity by any social or business need.
To go on about crime scene is to buy into the shit dribble lie of the entire thing. It is a hoax. The Skripals are complicit. There was no novichok nonsense involved. It is just a few Valium’s and maybe an enema or two that we are talking about.
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The image you refer to may be seen at Part IV here:
/a-curious-incident-part-iv/
There is no hypothesis with regards to the incident which has it the Skripals were attacked with anything that makes any sense.
This set of articles represents a very red herring. It is bunkim the DS came in contact with lethal vomit or transferred it to a door knob. Why buy into this bullshit story.? The Skripals are complicit. It is a giant hoax.
This series of article is acting to tie up brain power in pointless points.!..:)
The UK says there fones were off for 4 hours on the day in question. Some other reports further intimate the Skripals may have wanted to hide their location from authorities by switching of the GPS…for crying out loud. What a total load of old cobblers that line is…like really…think about it…what does GPS have to do with cell tower triangulation…?
Mobile cell tower triangulation is how police track phones. They can use GPS but they can use triangulation when GPS is disabled. One cannot hide yourself because triangulation is the unbreakable back up. The UK is lying therefore when it claims it has no idea where the Skripals were for 4 hours that day.
It was and is a hoax.
There was no poisoning incident.
The Skripals took a handful of Valium’s eat and an enema and raced to the seat so they could fall asleep and shit themselves for the cameras. The Skripals are active UK agents.
Well, bye turning your phone off, the cell towers will lose your location as well as no gps connection. In addition if you disable your gps in the phone you can avoid being found by gps. Worst case scenario, you can remove bloody battery from the phone and nothing will work.
In terms of the time from Zizzi’s and past the Market Arcade building, it is of course highly conceivable that the father and daughter stood outside the resteraunt for 10 minutes talking to each other. One possible topic of conversation could be a discussion of ‘what do we do this afternoon?’ now that they’ve just finished lunch.
Of course, since the latest of the ever changing UK story is that they were somehow exposed at the front door of the Skirpal residence, and given that they collapse on a park bench not too long after this, then one can suppose that they were already filling the effects of this incredibly powerful nerve agent to which they were exposed hours before.
Its interesting that while I can poke an occasional hole in the suppositions here, the official and ever-changing UK story is still just completely preposterous.
And pretty much the same objections to timing the walk to the park bench.
I can easily imagine a day like this. The one activity that was really planned was that they would ‘visit Mom’s grave’. After that, I can imagine a conversation where the topic is just about being a bit hungry and a general heading towards the shops district where they know there is food. Then, as they exit the resteraunt, they don’t have any plans. There might be a discussion of what are we going to do. Perhaps the woman from Moscow stops and does some window shopping at what’s available in British shops? Perhaps the discussion about what to do continues after a pause outside the resteraunt, and they stop and talk some more? Perhaps then the elder Skirpal says “hey, there’s a nice bench over there. Its lovely to see you again and to talk with you, but perhaps we’d be more comfortable on those benches?”
But, of course the ever-changing UK official story is completely ridiculous. They now say that their experts have found the highest concentration of this extremely powerful nerve agent at the front door of the Skirpal residence. They thus believe that this is where the Skirpals were contaminated. Of course, this is before they drove to the cemetary and before they went to go eat lunch and before they got upset at the slow service and before they left the resteraunt and before they wandered over to the park bench while showing no signs of illness to a CCTV camera. Thus, this super-powerful and super-scary nerve agent apparently is now supposed to have taken hours to take effect. Then suddenly this super-powerful nerve agent struck and the couple was slumped together on the park bench for DS Bailey’s arrival from stage right.
I suspect the residence doorknob was contaminated by DS Bailey when he entered the house to conduct a warrantless search of the premises. Other contaminated items were also reported in the house and this contamination likely also came from the DS.
My hypothesis is that when Bailey was at the incident site he made contact with vomit or other fluids that contained the toxin. He then left the site for the house and contaminated the doorknob and other items. Then he became ill and drove himself to hospital.
Wouldn’t he carry rubber gloves to avoid any contamination? He should have watched some Hollywood police shows. You do not have to be a spook to be aware of your behaviour.
No reason to believe anyone would initially have known they were dealing with a case of toxic agent poisoning until father and daughter were diagnosed in the hospital some hours latter.
The BBC reported Yulia Skripal was “conscious and talking”. It was claimed she had nerve agent on her left hand, and her father had it on his right hand.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/29/yulia-skripal-conscious-talking-nearly-month-chemical-attack/
The one common element between all 3 victims would appear to be the doorknob.
Why a hoax and not an attempted suicide pact by the pair, together with a plant of fake evidence to imitate the Litvinenko affair? The pair could have sprayed their front door on leaving and then poisoned themselves on their park bench. The motive would be to make Putin look bad at the time of his reelection.
Or they felt instinctly that something was going to happen and gave their face to camera to help being found if kidnapped.
It could be that the british secret services gave away their presence in some way.
Or that skripal was threatened to cooperate on something or else.
The british ordinary people are brainwashed into believing that putin is a killer and the fsb is his weapon and because the british government is vomitting out this narrative of evil russian bogeyman since the 1900’s those people assume that the british secret services are holy saints with high moral standards etc.
Reality is that western secret services do what ever they want by every convenient evil means they can to achieve their filhty goals.
Russia is constantly exposing chemical weapons attack plots in syria by the uk paid white helmets and nato supported terrorists, so if they have that as their miral standard in syria then why not also in uk, ofcourse we have a whole history of russians dying on british soil always in mysterious circumstances and with facts hidden and russia and putin blamed.
I want to urge the author to repost the images provided without thesaker logo in the corner because providing photos so watermarked is a sure fire way to limit distribution.
It is a mistake to tie the truth to a logo.
Izaates:
Good point about the images.
Had a think on it and I agree with you that it is a mistake to tie the truth to a logo.
But I have no better comprehension of the truth than any other poster and a lot of the comments have been very helpful in reshaping my own views of what may, or Theresa May, not have happened,
My logic is that the images may very likely be re-distributed. Many of them have been modified from the originals and the logo helps avoid adding to the confusion as the logo makes it evident they are not originals.
Second, any redistribution of images and logo may help drive traffic to the site. And I think what is available here is important and the exact opposite of what is found in the MSM press where no one asks any questions and the stories all appear to be government press releases with exotic new headlines but which say very little.
So the Saker stays.
Cheers!
I think we should put it to a vote.
I would also like to say thank you Sushi for the work you have put in bringing together a lot of info and thought.
The speed the Skripals were moving at in the image caught in passing by a security camera in the arcade (to be found on the at times quite treacherous johnhelmer.net site) implies eagerness. Why would they be hurrying if all they were going to do was sit on a bench.? Why would they do that.?
That is a question I have been asking myself.
I agree that they appear very untroubled and purposefull. They do not at all appear to me to be “strolling” or killing time, or window shopping or having a deep conversation. They appear to have a destination and the intent to get there quickly.
So why did they stop at the bench? And why did they spend so much time there? Did they meet someone? And if so who?
An interesting article about Porton Down and chemical weapons programs:
http://21stcenturywire.com/2018/03/28/revealed-pentagons-70-million-chemical-biological-program-at-porton-down-in-uk/
Found the same story at a different link:
https://www.naturalblaze.com/2018/03/nerve-agent-attack-70-million-pentagon-program.html
Rather remarkable that they would make public tests on the London Tube and not seek permission or consent from the public.
If the May government has called every country in the EU (according to the new Austrian Foreign Minister) to insist that
they expell 1, 2, or 3 Russian diplomats to insure the false image of togetherness, why would anyone take the word of
the passerby, who claims to have found them “frothing at the mouth”? A passerby who most likely works for MI5 or 6.
As does the entire cast of characters who came forth in this investigation. Lordy. Lordy.
And as for the 20 or so bystanders who were treated medically and let go, they were mere just the patrons at the pub
and Zizzi and were only examined to determine whether they had any traces of the two agents that comprised the
binary poison, if, in fact, MI5 actually poisoned an older gentleman and young lady on March 4th.
A day that will live in comic Infamy till the last syllable of recorded Benny Hill reruns.
Google Maps streetview shows the exact area – pan left and there is a CCTV warning sign. Pan right and the direction signs to the Cathedral, post office etc. are visible. Two benches are visible; one has someone seated on it in the background beyond the vegetable stall. This all agrees with Image E from part IV, however the G&T House of cards centre sign part IV is red not blue as it is in the part V Image F above. Also the House of cards sign to the left has what looks like G&T rather than ‘World of Cards’. Google Maps is dated Sep2017
https://www.google.ca/maps/@51.0697418,-1.7976044,3a,15y,250.98h,81.01t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sT8FGyLEtAv3kPvlQwD_tdA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
It would be interesting to see the footage from any cameras showing the park bench. Unlikely.
This is the same imagery I utilized. According to MSM the camera was located at the Snap Fitness Center which is inside the arcade first location on your right. I searched ll of the wall area trying to identify what the Skripals may have been looking at as it strikes me they both were focued on the camera
Closer inspection reveals that what I thought was a camera store is actually Jenny’s Restaurant and what I though was an advert for a Hasselblad is actually a milkshake ??? After a while you go potty looking for information :-)
In “image F”, one sees the barrier tape leave the frame at the lower left and upper left. The visual effect, and the view I gather this author is trying to present, is that the barrier tape excludes the bench the Skripals were found on.
Now take a look at “image G”, taken from another place, showing the tented bench later. Look at the positioning of the barrier tape. It runs across the path blocking access to the area the bench is.
The tape in “image F” does the same, blocks access on the foot paths. Neither images show the area outside the area of the buildings and paths, so they don’t show what was used to impede onlookers getting close from the direction of the park area ( for lack of better description).
Basically, this is a non issue, or worse, a distortion of the sort of a famous photo used by zionazi-gay media of the zionazi attack on Yugoslavia. The photo showing emaciated men through a fence that was propagandised to depict starving victims in a Serbian concentration camp. It was later exposed as fraud, the individuals actually having been outside, not prisoners at all, and photographed from inside the compound, of people outside.
My point being is that photographic evidence can be easily manipulated to show something it really doesn’t show at all, due to the limited field of vision, the presentation and the way they are edited.
The graveyard section, the walk of the Skripals after leaving the restaurant, while providing images of the area so people can see what the places look like, are essentially filler. The speculation provided being very shallow and inaccurate.
Example, from the graveyard description section. A claim by the author that gunshots would be muted due to trees and bushes around. Sure, enough that one might not hear them a mile away. But anyone within a quarter mile of the shooting likely would hear the shot. Especially in urban england, where gunshots are an anomaly.
Yes, they could have been shot at the graveyard. They were not. So what? They could have been poisoned there. And everywhere else. So what?
Second example: the framing of the timing from when the Skripals left the restaurant till emergency got their initial call. Too long to walk to the arcade? Maybe they did some window shopping or entered another establishment. Too long to walk from arcade to bench? Maybe they did more window shopping or had been there on the bench some time before somebody decided they had better call the cops.
Interestingly, the author talked about how state security actors would surveil their victims, learning their habits. Yet in a previous article, #2, I believe, this same author claimed that it was very unlikely this happened, since neighbors would spot them hanging out*.
* Professional shadowers know that is nonsense. Anyone affiliated with these, or cops trained to “follow people” know this is nonsense. In fact, anyone who is not affiliated, but has read some whistleblowers works, like Agee, or even dubious whistleblowers, like Ostrovsky, would know that western security services can very easily monitor people without their, or their neighbors, knowing.
Imafe F shows the tape barriers on the afternoon of March 5 when the barriers were all moved back to increase the size of the “excluded zone.”
The other images showing the tape not including the benches was taken at 1705 on March 4th. The photographer arrived just after the victims were removed to hospital and took the images.
What is interesting about themis that these are the first public images and they were taken within an hour of the discovery and yet the police lines are in the wrong place?
I am trying to confim this but on March 4th no benches were inside the police line, on March 5 a tent was placed over the far bench and at a later date the police arrived and carted off the near bench as evidence.
“Imafe F shows the tape barriers on the afternoon of March 5 when the barriers were all moved back to increase the size of the “excluded zone.”
You meant “image F”.
“on March 4th no benches were inside the police line,”
I already explained they were inside the tape line:
Now take a look at “image G”, taken from another place, showing the tented bench later. Look at the positioning of the barrier tape. It runs across the path blocking access to the area the bench is.
The tape in “image F” does the same, blocks access on the foot paths. Neither images show the area outside the area of the buildings and paths, so they don’t show what was used to impede onlookers getting close from the direction of the park area ( for lack of better description).
Since you continue promoting this false issue, here and elsewhere in the comments, it confirms my earlier speculation that you are promoting non issues deliberately.
“You meant “image F”.
Now I did it. That should have been:
You meant “image G”.
With regard to identifying Zizzi’s, any highlevel in a national government can easily request and recieve all credit card activity for a card or a person. As soon as Skirpal was identified, and presumably he carried a picture ID, the government could have easily traced his purchases for that day and found Zizzi’s. No paper receipt required. Its a minor detail though.
And, since the official UK story is that they didn’t know right away that they’d been the victim of a dasderdly assasination via a powerful, scary Soviet nerve agent, then one would think that two people found ill on a bench shortly after eating lunch might raise some questions about “food poisioning”. That would likely send someone from the health department trying to trace the Skirpals and what each of them had eaten backwards from the time they were found. And the health department would be looking to try to find out if any people who’d crossed their path had also fallen ill with similar symptons and then to find out if they’d had the same food at some point along the line.
That would actually have made a better cover story for DS Bailey being in the Skirpals residence. That he was looking at the food they’d eaten that morning or the night before to see if that solves the mystery of two people slumped on a bench? Seems like it makes a lot more sense than quickly assuming that a 60 year old and presumably respectable looking man who was out with his visiting daughter was actually a recreational drug user? Or, is it a well kept secret that sixty year olds in Britain have a lot more fun than in most other places?
UK has no picture ID. Why would it be necessary ? He was no doubt a regular at this chain restaurant
A competent defense attorney, or barrister, would be able to use the fact that the bench is outside the crime scene tape to challenge all forensic evidence from the bench. After all, the police clearly did not have control of that area for a time after the crime. See the OJ Simpson trial to see how competent and skilled attorneys can use such a mistake by the police.
Of course, Putin and Russia will not be allowed a competent defense.
And, it is very strange since the ever-changing UK story still claims the Skirpals were found on that bench. Then surely the bench should be the center of the crime scene? I could understand a police mistake where they didn’t extend the crime scene tape out far enough from the bench. But it is very, very odd that the bench where the Skirpal’s were supposedly found was not the first focal point of the ‘investigation’. I suppose someone didn’t get the latest version of the script before they set up their props.
Thanks, a, your comment reinforces my view that the author deliberately misrepresented the barrier tape in the photo to allow entrance of fellow S.W.A.R.M. members to promote it.
Standard practice.
So what, exactly. This is tying up brainpower on canterlevered and frankly doggedly biSrd speculation. All I as k is you engage our comments rather than shuffle them off whilst zeroing back in on the riduclous hypothesis this is a real poisoning.
It is a hoax. The Skripals are complicit.
Obvious security breaches like these should have consequences. In a similar vein we find Lavrov going straight for the meat. I read some where once: Q. What’s the fastest way to a mans heart. A. Through his chest. We have a hoax on our hands. I have worries.
Agree with your comments.
Since both the benches are outside of the crime scene tape it raises the question of where exactly they were found. The area within the tape contains no benches, It does contain a structure of some kind. And there is a white object or something similar on the ground.
It is presumed the tape was put up by the first responders who would have direct knolwedge of the actual site of the incident. It is hard to understand why they would tape off the area to the east when the vicitms were found on the westernmost bench later protected by a tent.
Are we even sure a crime has taken place? Has anyone who can identify the Skripals actually identified the two in hospital as the Skripals? Correct me if I am wrong but the single picture from March 04 of them (if it is them) walking along the arcade (Image B part IV) is the only evidence during and since tying them to the alleged poisoning scene?
Two things are curious about this image, one that they are both looking up at the camera and two that the date/time stamp is partially white text and partially black text. Almost like a bad Photoshop job. There may be valid reasons why this is so and I can understand why Skripal senior, with his background might look for all surveillance devices. I certainly do, but both of them looking simultaneously? Seems a little odd.
Did MI6/CIA or one of the 300 agents he ratted out, or one of the UK resident Russsian oligarch crooks who hate Putin, make him an offer he couldn’t refuse? Has Skripal recently been exposed as a triple agent?
So many questions and so little confirmed evidence.
Excerpt from a russia-insider article:
Russia as demanded that London provide proof that British spies did not carry out the poisoning of former double agent Sergei Skripal.
The Russian Foreign Ministry said in a statement that their analysis of the assassination attempt has them to believe in ‘a possible involvement in it of the British intelligence services’.
The Ministry says that in the absence of proof of British innocence, Moscow will regard the incident as an attempt on the lives of Russian citizens on foreign soil.
‘An analysis of all the circumstances … leads us to think of the possible involvement in it (the poisoning) of the British intelligence services,’ the foreign ministry said in a statement.
‘If convincing evidence to the contrary is not presented to the Russian side we will consider that we are dealing with an attempt on the lives of our citizens as a result of a massive political provocation.’
The obvious answer to the issue. And to add to it, Russia should point out that by detained the daughter without allowing the Russian authorities to see their citizen, England has actually kidnapped a Russia citizen(s).
I hope that Russia has demanded to see them, if England refuses, then a kidnapping has occurred
No they have not “kidnapped” anyone. You cannot use Habeas Corpus because she is sedated and incapable of speaking. She is a hospital patient.
She has been kept from consular access – that is a different matter
Bulldust – a writ for habeas corpus is not in play. The UK went through that farcical court hearing a few days ago to appoint a ward for the daughter and the father saying to the judge there is no need for family contact in an effort to block the path to habeas corpus. They are wrong in their advice there. Habeas corpus is where its at.
Hey UK show us the bodies…its time to force the crown to give up the bodies..!!!!!
Habeas Corpus.
Habeas Corpus
Consular access is warranted regardless. How else shall the Russian embassy verify the condition of their citizens and offer legal assistance based on verified facts? If consular access is denied, it is easy to set up a surveillance camera and live-stream the video data from the intensive care unit to the Russian embassy staff.
Highest concentration of an agent found at the front door “revelation”…did not specify whether on the inside or outside of the door…possibly weather conditions eg wind etc would be less on the outside?
Amazon or ebay delivery…unwrapping a parcel or signed delivery…or the daily post? But thanks Sushi for all your work.
If something so toxic was positioned at the front door that remains are still traceable….how on earth did it take so long to act when they left the house until they were found later?
What is strange in this entire affair is that military nerve gas was, ostensibly, used. Indeed. Military nerve gas of all things. How come nobody got killed ? How come that British cop, who came to the scene, recovered so fast and was discharged from hospital ?
The latest news is that British police are saying that military nerve gas was planted in front of the house where the “victims” lived. Indeed. How many people got infected, if any ?
This whole affair is too absurd to be believed.
Anything can be “military” too….a piece of lead becomes a bullet….a piece of steel becomes a tank…some uranium becomes a uranium tipped shell to be fired by Nato in Yugoslavia….
Are we there yet? … Yawn!… }:-[
After MH17 I don’t believe any of this establishment BS — and I always look elsewhere for some reason for the mass distraction etc. This pseudo-event would seem to be a poorly thought out and executed dummy run. Who knows for what!?
Meanwhile down-under the Australian premier national cricket team has been found cheating against South Africa. Stupid Inc. India has cancelled $2m summer ‘deals’ for certain players. Careers are in ruins and the sport ‘stressed’. I’m not sure how Putin managed this one but he’s obviously hard at work on the field with the ball and sandpaper.
The ‘Enron’ of sport — the crime is not doing it: it’s getting caught. Tone at the top and all that!
Slightly higher entertainment value than day time commercial TV.
1. The PR approach is not to convince anyone of Russia murder. But just to keep the “Russian Aggression” story going. Any history book in 10 years time will tell you that the last 2 decades have been consistent US/Nato aggression on Russia. That is the story to be uncovered.
2. Clearly is not the Novychok as described by Uzbek developer. It is very probable that Novychok does not exist.
3. I read today that the local Police believe that the “nerve agent” was left on the house doorstep. This would change the time from poisoning to collapse from a barely credible 10 -30 mins to a rather ridiculous several hours.
4. Although the press constantly refer to Novychok, I have seen no one other than May and Johnson use the term at all. Certainly no one with a name and a job title. Anyone else seen it used formally? Generally officials will go along with B/S but they chose not to lie knowingly.
Incredibly detailed analysis. Very welcome considering the internationally, publicly, criminal uses of this case by the UK’s Prime Minister, slavishly copied by about thirty US/UK vassal states.
I think there is some interesting stuff here you have raised Sushi. I think it is well meant examination. I just think this is a giant hoax. I think the Brits did it. That is cannot be the case the West is betting the house on an event generated from the expatriate Russian underworld or from any other place but the West. So it is a 100% controlled situation. If there was an actaul incident it involvex the Skripals taking some Valium and shitting themselves on a park bench for propaganda purposes. The UK will fall over this. I believe that is the plan. I believe May will be undone by a hack or a leak or an intercept. May thinks she is smart hurting Putin but she is one disclosure away from total destruction of UK reputation. She has therefore a glass jaw. Poor old dear is stew me thinks.
It’s a slow news month — show me the victims!
They plant this rubbish then watch what happens via Cambridge Analytica etc.
It was clearly to piss on Putin’s parade (election & football event); reinforce the cognitive dissonance effect holding the ’empire’ together (just); and where possible dump some trash on Labour’s Corbyn — with a bit of help from Photoshop and the odd war criminal such as Tony ‘Traitor’ (God talks to us over breakfast) Blair.
This false flag operation shows how (over)confident the authorities are in carrying off these little charades. They know that with a complicit media overwhelmingly bolstering their ridiculous story to an ignorant and credulous public, they don’t even need to be marginally careful in constructing their little fable. These official fabulists know that they can count on fooling almost all the people all of the time with minimal effort.
Excellent work. My point is very simple. Why would Russian alleged assassins be so stupid to wait until his daughter arrives from Russia to dispatch both of them. Almost like, two birds with one stone. Did his daughter have any value for Russian assassins? I guess not. But, she had value for the western assassins, whoever they were. She was used to present the Russians as ugly unscrupulous murderers. It’s an obviously idiotic plan, but Western anti-Russian propaganda is not concerned with looking idiotic. Just like with Litvinienko, if Russians really want to dispatch Scripal, why wait for Russian elections? Oh, right Putin did it to undermine his election results. BTW, Just this morning I stumbled on an article saying that his family said that he vanished without a trace. Let me think, strange is the word.
The daughter is no longer in a critical condition and is recovering very quickly:
https://www.rt.com/uk/422700-yulia-skripal-salisbury-novichok/
The father however is “still unresponsive”…..funny this suddenly happens after Russian FM stated:
“Russia as demanded that London provide proof that British spies did not carry out the poisoning of former double agent Sergei Skripal.
The Russian Foreign Ministry said in a statement that their analysis of the assassination attempt has them to believe in ‘a possible involvement in it of the British intelligence services’.
The Ministry says that in the absence of proof of British innocence, Moscow will regard the incident as an attempt on the lives of Russian citizens on foreign soil.
‘An analysis of all the circumstances … leads us to think of the possible involvement in it (the poisoning) of the British intelligence services,’ the foreign ministry said in a statement.
‘If convincing evidence to the contrary is not presented to the Russian side we will consider that we are dealing with an attempt on the lives of our citizens as a result of a massive political provocation.’
Hmmm
The Duran has just published my absolutely favourite picture of this Novichok attack ….
For some reason it brings to mind the sarin attack in Khan Shaykun that the Mr US President Trump executed 14 Syrian civilians and one beautiful baby for….
Might have something to do with those two firemen – standing right next to the guys in full hazmat gear dealing with a highly dangerous military grade weaponised chemical weapons nerve agent … and look at the them:
Right on top of a deadly nerve agent and they’re not even wearing facemasks.
Top picture of the article : http://theduran.com/the-4-ridiculous-slides-uk-used-to-convince-us-that-russia-was-guilty-of-nerve-agent-poisoning/
Great comment at the Duran link:
QUOTE
What the slide show does not explain is the many incongruities of this event.
See here:
/a-curiou…
Where it is shown that the police cordon was clearly changed from when the Skripals had been removed to hospital to when the suited chemical investigation was being staged.
Rather sloppy continuity as the bench had been changed to one 15 meters further along the pedestrian precinct. This is very strange as the first responders would have known where the Skripals actually were. The original cordon was taken down by photo G and it seems someone lost track of where the Skripals were supposed to have been.
Very significant when you consider the lack of hard evidence surrounding this whole fabricated event.
ENDQUOTE
He states the case better than I did.
http://www.debka.com/israel-opts-out-of-us-eu-anti-russian-expulsions-its-intelligence-finds-novichik-stocks-in-20-countries/
Have you seen this report which tends to be more believable than May-Johnson-Goebbels
From the above link:
A secret Israeli intelligence report to Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu and defense minister Avigdor Lieberman revealed that although the military-grade chemical agent used to poison Sergei Skripal and his daughter was originally produced in Soviet Russia, today at least 20 other governments are manufacturing and stockpiling the illicit chemical agent
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If any country would have concerns over the production of poison gas it would be Israel.
Funny thing; this whole affair feels very like the “Twilight Zone”: An old TV show. That everyone involved, including all governments, “intelligence” agencies, militaries, the Press, as well as a broad swathe of the general public all know that this is a theatre of the absurd. A nonsense, a distraction. Given the state of the planet, world economics, Gangsters running the worlds financial system, impending collapse of Western culture (yes there does exist a western culture if one looks beyond our gangster GovCorps and their carnage), it is easy to see why such efforts are made to direct our attention elsewhere while ramping up the fear. Too, our Planet Earth is being severely affected by events in space, including a seemingly deteriorating Sun. Fabricated reality is a crime of immense proportions, but The “Skripal case” appears to be just that. Which isn’t to say WW3 won’t happen.
They changed the tactic to “Burn Baby Burn” in old Rassiya. Kind of good as punishment for their perfidious game in Syria. Crime and Punishment. It’s almost certain the Western Partners will come with another trick to slam the Ivans. They work overtime to surprise them all over.
I remember, after the MH17 false flag, similar endless discussions involving increasingly esoteric speculations, for weeks on end. I suppose many of them were well meant. But in the end it is just as some here have pointed out: a distraction tying up brain energy, a collection of red herrings, willful or not. It is pretty blatantly obvious this is one more false flag to keep harrassing Russia. The subservience of the MSM is now so complete you can basically concoct any story and it will be the official story forever as far as they are concerned, regardless of how many believe it or not.
And it now looks as if the horrible fire in that mall in Siberia was well planned.
None of these actions make sense except as part of a plan to destroy Russia as an independent country (one of the very few independent countries left), undermining it from within. The funny thing is that in broad terms both the US and Russia have a similar system. They are clearly both oligarchies. I have no idea if Russia will be able to withstand this kind of vicious relentless assault. The prospect that it might not, is totally depressing. So much so that the comment by Putin to the effect that for him, as a Russian, a world without Russia wouldn’t be worth keeping, is a comment that can be shared even by many of us non-Russians.
According to a BBC news item of 16 minutes ago Yulia Skripal is “improving rapidly.”
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-43588450
Yulia Skripal is “improving rapidly” and no longer in a critical condition, four weeks after the Salisbury poisoning, the hospital has said.
Creates the possibility of suffcient recovery that she can describe what happened.
She may also seek consular assistance.
It would be interesting if Russian Embassy would be permitted or denied access…is medical care better in Russia… or maybe she might claim asylum of a kind if she is “going or encouraged”along with the current narrative…..but sometimes the person closest to a victim can be the perpetrator…it is someone they “know”…..?
Would should she be questioned by FSB too….
Wow. Should clone her DNA and see how she is impervious to “nerve agents” supposedly 8 times as effective as VX. She is simply amazing and the NHS is fantastic – it is absolutely useless at dealing with cancer with the worst results in Europe but give them a “nerve agent” and they come out tops !!
Yes we are sure little darling Yulia will pop back from the Sachelle Islands and point the finger at Putin and maybe even Donny boy or if we get especially lucky maybe even Hillary and Steele. But so what. She is complicit. She is working for UK and her job is to do harm to the land of her birth. This is a psyops game which will be dragged out for as long as it still gives a return.
Yulia Skripal ‘improving rapidly,’ no longer in critical condition after Salisbury chemical attack
https://www.rt.com/uk/422700-yulia-skripal-salisbury-novichok/
“Yulia Skripal, daughter of ex-Russian double agent Sergei Skripal, is no longer in a critical condition after she and her father were attacked with a deadly nerve agent. She is understood to be “improving rapidly.”
There has been no update on Sergei Skripal’s condition, but according to recent court documents, it is understood that he is unresponsive.”
That’s good news about Yulia, not good about Sergei.
Also:
“Four weeks after the Salisbury poisoning, Yulia’s condition appears to be finally improving. The good news comes only one day after detectives revealed to the public that the Skripals appear to have been attacked in their own home, as the highest concentration of chemicals was found by experts on the front door of their house on Christie Miller Road.
Senior National Coordinator for Counter Terrorism Policing Deputy Assistant Commissioner Dean Haydon told the media on Wednesday that detectives will now focus their efforts on the Salisbury home.
“At this point in our investigation, we believe the Skripals first came into contact with the nerve agent from their front door,” he said. “We are therefore focusing much of our efforts in and around their address.”
Inside or outside? The door knob, or some other part? They aren’t saying. Besides the Skripals, obviously, who is known to have been at their residence?
The cop Bailey. The only other person hospitalized. This continues to raise questions of his actual involvement, as opposed to what the officials are saying.
Did Bailey get contaminated from the Skripals, and then when he went to the Skripal residence, he contaminated the door? Hardly. The cops don’t think so. And if this scenario had any truth to it, the car Bailey drove there would obviously show much more contamination than the Skripals front door.
So we come back to speculation about what was Bailey actually doing 4 March. It has already been pointed out detectives don’t do initial responding. So there is a possibility that Bailey was close by for reasons other than the official story states. Assuming Bailey’s contamination was real, and therefore accidental, let’s list a few of these.
Was he keeping an eye on the Skripals for the assassin team?
Was he the assassin?
Did he go to the Skripal residence to retrieve something the assassins did not want found there, such as the instrument that contaminated the Skripals with poison?
Did he go to the residence to plant evidence?
On the poisoning itself, we still are in the dark. Was at the residence, as now claimed, or sometime later that day? The official claim a military grade nerve agent taking several hours to incapacitate? After the claims “novichuk” kills in a very few minutes? That the Skripals and Bailey are still alive proves it was something else that poisoned them. Could be something designed to take affect hours later? But that raises the question of why both Skripals became incapacitated simultaneously hours later.
There is also the question of whether the Skripals we’re supposed to be killed or not. Their condition has helped the propaganda machine. Did the zionazis game this for both murder and serious injury, looking at which might provide them with the more effective propaganda scenario?
If it was intended they would die, this means the actual op was botched. Both Bailey’s contamination and his implausible role, as officially explained, alse seem to indicate things went somewhat awry.
Yup …which came first….the poisening to suit the new defence- attack Fusion policy of the uk….or the the policy needing a justifiable reason as confirmation…..?
Nothing went awry. It is a hoax. The Skripals are complicit. There was no chemical attack. The Skripals may have presented as unconscious in a public space but we have only hearsay. They may have been intoxicated but that it hearsay. They may have been treated at a supposed scene by a supposed doctor by that is hearsay. Bullshit the girl is making a recovery. She will “wake up” and point the finger at Russia. Her word and the truth can never match.
It does seem incredible that Yulia suddenlyh wakes up after being contaminated with a deadly nerve agent that works instantaneously.
So, according to the newest story,
the Skripals were poisoned at home;
drove to a restaurant in a car that shows no signs of contamination;
had a nice meal;
walked purposefully through a passageway while practically waving at the CCTV camera (although, I have to say that the people in the CCTV photo don’t look very much like other photos of the Skripals);
sometime later were found crumpled up and vomiting and defecating on a park bench as a result of the “instantaneous” poison they came in contact with a couple of hours earlier;
were attended to by people who are called “witnesses” who have since disappeared (this is totally strange because most citizens in the WEstern world know to stick arouind if they witness any accident, such as a dog getting run over, or any other event for which their testimony might provide enlightenment; if these witnesses “disappeared” without a trace, then anything they “said” is compromised in a number of obvious respects);
the two people are taken to hospital but are held incommunicado from friends, family, and their own govt while various bulletin about their condition are released by the British govt;
[Drum roll]
And suddenly, one of the victims of the uberpowerful nerve agents wakes up!!!!
It’s like Snow White!
The Evil Queen tried to poison her with a poisoned apple, but the bite lodged in Snow White’s throat and didn’t go into her tummy. It only *looked like* she was dead! Soooo after the Seven Dwarfs kept her in a glass case for some years, her eyelids suddenly fluttered and she woke up from her near death state and was able to continue on as before she ate the apple.
So convenient to get all the advantages of dying, such as all the PR and sympathy and outrage, and none of the disadvantages, the main one being that one is dead . . .
This certainlyl seems like a case of “reports of Yulia’s death have been widely exaggerated.”
Seriously, it is extremely suspicious that the Skripals have been held sequestered and attempts to contact friends and even family have been actively suppressed and sidelined. This sure looks like a de facto kidnapping and possibly Stockholm Syndrome situation. No one can confirm anything. No one can challenge anything. No one can even identify the Skripals.
If they are genuine victims but it is unclear of whom, then they may be being held under the control of their adversaries. They may be getting totally brainwashed themselves as to what happened to them.
If it is a hoax that they are a part of, then they would seem to have committed a number of crimes in terms of bearing false witness and making false accusations.
whatever the truth, to me the most egregious aspect of this fairly tale is the UK’s sequestering these Russians citizens from their consular representatives. Not only is it a deprivation of their civil rights; in addition it is a legal overreaching that is analogous to claiming sovereignty over property that one does not own. It is a legal invasion and a replacement of Russian authority over its citizens with illegitimate UK authority—like forcibly removing a child from its parental home.
It is a microcosmic example of the USA claiming authority over foreign lands and supplanting the local authority with its own.
Katherine
Agree with you in regard to UK failing to follow standard international practice in denying consular assistance / consultation.
Treatment for this kind of injury involves sedation of the victim and administration of an antidote.The intent is to allow the body the time to excrete the toxic agent while at the same time monitoring blood for uptake of the antidote.
Until she awoke Yulia woud have been unconscious. The hospital therfore acted in the best interest of the patient and protected her from curious press etc. It is Yulia’s decision as to whom she wishes to have observe her in hospital.
One can conclude from the crime scene photos that the Skirpals were not found on the bench. Why else would would the initial first responders exclude the bench from the crime scene preservation area? So we already have one lie from the British authorities clearly exposed. The Skirpals were found on the grass, perhaps where that white substance is seen in the photo. Perhaps one of them vomited there, and the white substance is some sort of absorbent/disinfectant. This would contradict the assertion that they began to feel ill, looked for a place to rest, and then succumbed to a poison on the park bench. Why would they get up from the bench right when they began to feel incapacitated? Wouldn’t they have simply called out weakly for help? Hence the lie about where they were found. The bench story was invented later with the claim that a good samaritan moved them to the grass.
Something made the Skirpals get up from the bench right before they were incapacitated. Could someone, perhaps someone who knew them, have walked by them on the bench, stopped for a chat, and then, when the coast was clear, sprayed them in the face with some sort of toxin? As already stated by our host, this could not have been a military grade nerve toxin, as the attacker would have also been exposed. Some other agent was used. This is why the authorities refuse to release blood samples. We can only speculate about what this agent might have been, though I remember hearing something about fentanyl early on when this story first broke. The doctor treating the victims has also denied that they were treated for nerve agent poisoning. We were told that first responders suspected a common drug overdose. So what were they being treated for?
Could the Skirpals have been sprayed with fentanyl, perhaps mixed with pepper spray to quickly blind and disorient them, whereupon they jumped up from the bench, took few steps, and collapsed on the grass? This would explain why we are not being shown cctv images of the Skirpals slowly fainting on the bench. They were just fine until they were sprayed, and no pictures exist showing them slowly succumbing to poison on the bench. Fentanyl is an extremely potent fast acting synthetic opioid that has been used in aerosol form as a knock-down agent. (Moscow theater hostage crisis.)
Could “detective” Bailey have been the poisoner? He might have dosed himself with narcan (a fentanyl antidote) so as to be immune to the immediate effects of the drug, but later needed more treatment. His treatment at the hospital would also have supported the official story, though the doctor treating him denies treating for a nerve agent.
Perhaps there was something very important back at the Skirpal’s flat that
detective Bailey wanted to find, hence he took the key and went back to their residence to have a look while they were being loaded into the ambulance (as per the plan). Since the first responders treating the Skirpals were not affected it was impossible to claim that the victims were exposed where they were found. We would also expect to be shown photos of the attacker(s) had they been Russian agents, since this would have been caught on camera. However it would then be hard to explain how the agents exposed their victims to a potent nerve toxin without exposing themselves. Hence the need for the unlikely story that the Skirpals were exposed back at their apartment, and the story that this is also where the detective was exposed. We can conclude from this that we are unlikely to see the Skirpals alive again unless they can be induced to lie about what happened to them.
They did not live in a flat but lived in a £350,000 HOUSE.
As for speculation you have excluded Martians or UFOs and a good case could be made for Extra-terrestrials
My apologies for indulging in a little speculation, but it can sometime be a useful exercise as a way of piecing together seemingly incongruous facts.
Why did first responders suspect a fentanyl overdose when they first treated the Skirpals? http://www.salisburyjournal.co.uk/news/16066343.Critically_ill_man_is_former_Russian_spy/?ref=arc Could it be because they resembled other overdose victims they had treated, and perhaps responded to the narcan antidote? Good to see that they are recovering. It will be interesting to hear what they have to say. Perhaps they have been persuaded that it is in their best interests to keep quiet, or to claim that they have no memory of what happened.
I did enlarge the white mass seen in the middle of Image H.
It does not appear to be a pool of water or a white plastic shopping bag.
It looks to be a powder material but no visible grains can be seen.
I don’t know what the local EMS practice would be. For traffic accidents it is common to put down some absorbent clay on oil and other crash liquids. In the UK do they treat vomit in the same way?
Sushi,
It looks like snow to me -Image I in the background to the left of the EMS wagon shows remnants of what looks like snow against the building. On the bench too there’s a white mass -but this may be a plastic bag containing the passport of the ‘Russian’ perp or alternatively marked ‘If found, please return to Vladimir Putin, Kremlin, Russia’.
Does the Sushi on your heading picture contain Polonium?
No radionuclides.
Just saxitoxin.
That’s it! Liquefied saxitoxin and a Mickey Finn shot from a drone at the Skripals in the park! Method solved!
I think you are correct on the snow.
It last snowed on March 3rd with heavy rain at 0300 on the 4th.
I have other imagery of that same distant white stuff and it does appear to be snow, or more correctly the remnants of snow piled afer clearing walkways etc.
I suspect the curious white mound with the police tape is also the last remnant of a snow pile.
Red herring tape exclusion nonsense keeps doing its job of wasting everyone’s time. Vot has well and truly rebuffed this nonsense. There is no crime scene of the type you imagine. This is a hoax. The Skripals are complicit. There was no poisoning incident. This series has turned up a few things but the conjecture is not even close to the truth. In fact no amount of reasoning seems to be able to shift this discussion into more fruitful avenues.
I wonder when Yulia Skripal applied for her visa to visit UK and how fast it was processed ? Since she works for PepsiCo in Russia and had worked for US Embassy in Moscow and PepsiCo Russia is headquartered in Geneva I don’t see that she would have an open visa for UK visits
UK Healthcare official reported that
1) only three persons were poisoned in Salisberry
2) none of those were military poisons
Lavrov: Russia to Expel 60 US Diplomats, Close Consulate in St. Petersburg
https://sputniknews.com/europe/201803291063040748-russia-lavrov-skripal-mirror-response/
“American diplomats declared personae non gratae have to leave Russia by April 5, the step Moscow made in response to the greatest ever expulsion of Russian diplomats from the US over Skripal’s poisoning, groundlessly blamed on Russia.
On Reciprocal Diplomats’ Expulsion
Moscow will expel the same number of American diplomats as Washington and will shut down the US General Consulate in Saint Petersburg, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov announced.
“The measures would be reciprocal… They include expulsion of the equivalent number of diplomats and they include our decision to withdraw our agreement to allow the United States’ general consulate to operate in St. Petersburg,” Lavrov told a briefing.
The minster specified that 58 diplomatic employers will be removed from the US embassy in Moscow and two staff will have to leave the General Consulate in Ekaterinburg by April 5. As for St. Petersburg’s consulate, Americans have to vacate the premises in two days.
The top diplomat went on saying that Russia will not only provide a mirror response to West’s steps in the wake of Skripal’s poisoning, which was blamed on Moscow, but even “more than that.” As he explained, Russia’s counter-measures will affect all countries that made a decision to expel diplomats.
The minister noted that Russia will convene an emergency meeting of the Organisation for Prohibition of Chemical Weapons in a bid to start a dialogue and establish the truth.
On Threats to Seize Russian Assets in US
US Ambassador Jon Huntsman has been summoned to the Russian Foreign Ministry to hear a report on a batch of counter-measures Russia is going to take. Leaving the ministry, the envoy refused to answer any reporters’ questions.
Moscow demanded clarifications of Huntsman’s earlier remarks about a possible seizure of Russian state assets in the US. According to Lavrov, in case Washington continues its hostile actions towards the Russian diplomatic mission, additional measures from the Russian side will follow.
Earlier the US ambassador admitted that the seizure of Russian assets was possible.
“I don’t know what the future holds, I hope that we will be able to stabilize the relationship… But of course it’s possible,” Huntsman told the RBC broadcaster, answering the corresponding question.”
The brit zionazi tool is also threatening to steal Russian assets in the uk and prevent sale of Russian bonds there.
Crazee that state dept says Russia must stop playing the victim….as usa says their response to this response will be even more of a response……..
Considering uk government is going to give huge additional funding to broadcast british values….time to eject all beeb from Russia and close their broadcasting down…
Conclusions thus far:
Proof: There are no nerve-agent victims as proven by the type of hospital and it’s doctor’s statement.
Added indicators:
The highly unlikely or impossible delayed effect. Nerve agents take effect immediately.
The lack of protective gear on police, firemen, first responders, ambulance personnel, helicopter pilots, hospital doctors and nurses etc.
Supposed nerve-agent tents moving about at random
The immediate scripted statements by Boris the Buffoon that it was a nerve-agent and that Putin did it, before any analysis could possibly have been completed -thanks Boris!
The weasel-word dissembling statements by May “of a type developed by Russia”.
Denial of access, denial of evidence, denial of any photographs of the Skripals since the CCTV arcade one -assuming it is not faked.
Conjecture alternatives:
A complete hoax with Skripal’s complicit
A complete hoax with one or both Skripal’s complicity but then ‘stabbed in the back’ with deception.
A revenge attempt by a victim of the Skripal senior’s traitor treachery that would also be designed to hurt Putin.
A revenge attempt by a victim of the Skripal senior’s traitor treachery that would also be designed to hurt Putin that was quiickly given an added ‘Novichok’ wrapper by MI6/CIA for maximum Putin damage
As above but an exclusively planned MI6/CIA black op perhaps to clean up a loose end but with maximum Putin damage
A suicide attempt seems very unlikely and the poison agent (if there was one) a cocktail of knock-out and non-nerve-agent, possibly an easily obtained organophosphate -particularly one simulating a nerve agent results on blood samples.
Any Novichok like samples could be spread about by the biohazard suited types although it presents unscripted safety hazards and is not strictly necessary since evidence samples are easily salted in the lab.
I doubt any nerve agents were involved in this at all.
Any other hypotheses?
Russian poisoning false flag
Is it just me, or does this have all the earmarks of a false flag?
1) A dastardly deed is perpetrated by persons unknown
2) The supposed perpetrator is almost immediately named
3) A massive media campaign supporting the official story supplies no evidence against said perpetrator
4) Broad actions are taken based on the “fact” of the perpetrator’s guilt
Sound familiar?
JFK
RFK
Gulf of Tonkin
OK City bombing
9/11
Putin/Trump election conspiracy
That’s just off the top of my head
Re: your false flag list, you left out the Parkland School with the Shomrim shooters.
http://rense.com/general96/FLschoolexplodes.html
I have been looking for the CCTV camera that took the shot of the supposed Skripals walking along inside Market Walk and I don’t see it. Google Maps is 5-6 months old but any public placement looks odd as does any private placement in the Fitness centre -you’d put it at an entrance.
Due to the square tiles on the floor with the single parallel line like a ‘knife cut’ (between the ‘Sun’ and the ’15’ on the timestamp and the unique dark marking on the other side by the ’47’ on Image B Part IV) this following link would show where the Skripals were walking along -as if you were just behind them. The camera would be on the left upper shooting diagonally across. The fitness centre is 24 hr according to the signage and so the Skripals might look across at those young Spandex things on the fitness treadmills -and if you look carefully at Image B Part IV they could be looking across, not up.
But it’s almost as if a camera was deliberately placed there for the occasion.
There’s also a central camera on the entrance where they came in -where’s the footage from that I wonder?
https://www.google.ca/maps/@51.0696822,-1.7971103,3a,75y,280.76h,62.82t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sxfVzArkpCMdY0-UWCwO2iQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
I am reminded of that piece of turd Karl Rove:
“We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors … and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.”
You must admit that was a supreme piece of diabolical arrogance from Turd Blossom. I wonder what malevolence and mischief he is up to these days -perhaps he was the author of the Skripal affair?
Yulia Skripal Can Eat and Drink After She Regains Consciousness – Reports
https://sputniknews.com/europe/201803301063057080-yulia-skripal-eat-consciousness/
“Eaerlier, According to BBC, Yulia Skripal the daughter of former Russian spy Sergei Skripal has regained consciousness and the ability to talk.
“The daughter of a Russian spy who was poisoned in an attack using a nerve agent in Salisbury, as far as we understand, takes food and drinks in the hospital,” Sky News reported.
On Thursday, the British National Health Service issued a statement saying that Julia Skripal, along with his father, who was attacked using a nerve agent in the British town of Salisbury, was recovering.
Following the reports on Julia Skripal condition, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said that Moscow demands the consulate access to her.
Earlier, Russia’s Investigative Committee has requested the UK authorities to provide legal assistance in the investigation into an attempted murder of Russian citizen Yulia Skripal.”
Lol if you the drug they used to make her unconsciuos lost its power and you are taken out of artificial coma and are perfectly healthy you sure will be able to eat and drink again without remembering what happened to you during the coma so they can fake her medical records and tell her every lie they want because she was unconscious and they are the experts right.
False flags, fake evidence, slander and lies are all acceptable tools in the toolchest of nato and the war against russia was started long ago.
There surely is a motive for the british to do a false flag fake or real poisoning attack with or without skripal knowing.
Uk funded white helmets do it in syria too russia exposing them many times.
I expect they kill skripal in artificial coma and let the daughter go out of artificial coma.
As putin said they probably used a delirium not a military chemical weapon that instantly kills.
Strange that Skripal is pardoned by Medvedev and swapped for Dept S Illegals in 2010 and his family live with him in UK but his daughter returns to Russia to live and work and his son visits St Petersburg. These are hardly the actions of children of GRU traitors living in fear of their lives abroad.
Reading this, one realises that all dissection of the many possible ways the Skripal/Salisbury caper could have been carried out becomes obviously quite unnecessary and pointless:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/03/27/britain-launch-counter-propaganda-war-against-russia-theresa/
The Skripals incident is just one small episode in a since months if not a year or so, carefully scripted scheme to level negative propaganda and provocations at Russia. The only remaining thing left to find out about Salisbury is: who is the incompetent fool, or group of fools to which the job of pulling this off was given, and was/were able to stage an event that has so many holes in it that one can easily run the proverbial horse and wagon through it?
I ventured already a year ago among friends that USA & Co would cook up some shenanigans to derail the WC 2018, possibly culminating in a catastrophic event that would exceed Munich 1972 in dramatic effect and squarely lay the blame on Russia. We already had the fakery of the doping accusations in the run-up to the Winter Olympics, they were kicked off already by end 2015 by a sneaky WADA rule change to trip up Maria Sharapova, who was caught unawares using a medical drug that was legal by end -15 but made illegal by beginning -16, hidden from view by the 2 weeks’ offset of western and Russian Xmas holidays.
What will happen next is that the “Salisbury” scheme will be drawn out as far as possible and milked to the last drop of poisonous substance, the OPCW will have its arm twisted like FIFA and other international bodies had, which have been hit by the welter of the US government institutions, quoting “legal” concerns. Very possibly “poison” and/or “poison gas” is the theme chosen for this latest onslaught on Russia and that we will see much more of it in the future.
The authors of this script can most likely be found in Stratcom, in full The NATO Strategic Communication Center of Excellence, of which the first was created in the NATO HQ in Brussels in 2014. Other such excellent centers have cropped up in the Baltic states and elsewhere in Eastern Europe, of which the one in Czechia has been particularly active.
It’s not pointless; to ignore the whole thing with a mere dismissal would essentially allow the public to believe everything and for those behind this travesty to get away with it -and inch towards war.
To paraphrase Mandy Rice-Davies: The Kremlin denies it “Well, they would, wouldn’t they?”
Analysis promotes critical thinking and logic, extends horizontal thinking and just like a good murder mystery is fun to dissect.
My one concern is that Russia allowed itself to be put on the defensive, IMHO they should have been on the immediate attack and supporting two Russian citizens
And what’s more, it is asking the questions that a healthy media ought to not only ask but investigate. Yes, investigate -what a concept!
However being the monolithic, stenographic handmaidens to the barbarian that they are, they are, as one man, only trumpeting ‘Russian aggression’,’Russian aggression’. Endlessly.
We should be trumpeting ‘lugenpresse’, ‘lugenpresse’, ‘lying press’, ‘lying press’ or in your case something like ‘жёлтая пресса’, ‘жёлтая пресса’.
“Fusion” sure sounds like more basic Gleichschaltung to me.
Get control of the message, so that there are basically no independent security or legal entities that might not go along—as, sal, it looks like Porton Down did not go along and align with the official Novichok narrative.
Katherine
With all due respect and regard, I still remember Colin Power vial, Tony Bliar lies, Markale, Racak, Eastern Gouta, Kuala Lumpur, etc….
No end in sight. To get a bit closer insight read the book “Children of the Raj” by Vyvyen Brendon. No need to vaste time on analytics.
It’s the way they are and there is a way we are. My grandfather, who fought and survived two world wars had very good cure for global evil affairs. He prohibited words like “us” or “them” as the main source of evil amongst us. Everybody has a name and personal responsibility behind that name.
Do you think that BoJo would utter these words if it was up to his own responsibility?
It’s not US, UK, Russia, it’s personal responsibility that we have to address and call at all times, so they never sleep at night. Eventually, they will grease the rope or stop that nonsense.
The biggest problem I have with drawing any conclusions from the CCTV photo is that these two people do not look like the same people pictured in a photo of the Skripals at the Zizzi restaurant.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5756370/ex-russian-spy-sergei-skripal-daughter-yulia-zizzi-restaurant-poison-plot/
Both of these people are rotund—I wouild call Sergei fat—and have round faces.
The two individuals in the CCTV photo appear to be thinner and to have far bonier faces.
Is this an affect of being in motion? I should the blurring caused by motion would make them look thicker, not thinner.
How is it established that these CCTV photos are the Skripals?
Katherine
This from Mar 06 is too funny if, and only if, we assume these are the Skripals:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5742937/cops-hunt-blonde-woman-seen-on-cctv-20-mins-before-ex-russian-spy-spy-sergei-skripal-and-daughter-yulia-were-poisoned/
If we assume Google Maps from Sep17 has not been ‘fiddled with’, then this shows the spot where the picture in the above link (and Sushi’s Image B, /a-curious-incident-part-iv/) was taken:
https://www.google.ca/maps/@51.0696822,-1.7971103,3a,75y,280.76h,62.82t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sxfVzArkpCMdY0-UWCwO2iQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
I don’t like to take anything the MSM prints at face value (ha!ha!) so I did my own analysis of the location:
See above; Anonymous on March 29, 2018 · at 10:34 pm UTC
For once the location data appears basically correct. As for the distortion this may, and I repeat may, be explained by the wide angle or fish-eye lens used. Your supposition is a reasonable one but without seeing the camera lens or its location in the Fitness centre and its original footage it is difficult to tell.
I have questioned the camera’s placement as it looks about 3 or 4 meters away from the door and I see no camera at all in the Google Maps view. However it may be set back inside the Fitness Centre and the image shown a cropped one with the timestamp photoshopped back on. If that is a full view on that picture it really is not a very useful one for the Fitness Centre’s purposes.
Your last question is a very reasonable one and even if it is the Skripals is it one from that day?
Yulia Skripal in the restaurant and other pictures has brown hair.
The woman in the photo looks like a lanky blond, and also looks older than Yulia Skripal.
Katherine
The Image I posted as Image B in part IV was reported in the press to be an image of the Skripals. I have since found other reporting which suggests the Image B (shows woman with large red bag) is not the Skripals.
The police are reported to have obtained other imagery from the Fitness Club which are the Skripals and the same CCTV also shows an image of the club employee, a 27 year old woman, who departed work and first discovered the Skripals on the bench around 1604 but thought they “were too out of it” for her to assist.
There is other imagery from the Arcade taken the evening of March 4. This shows 3 people walking more or less together and then shows the first police car zooming through. Both people and car are moving right to left suggesting the CCTV is on the South side of the arcade. This CCTV is mounted inside a restaurant and shows most of the interior tables etc and the view outside is poor and distorted. I tried to enlarge the imagery but was unable to make anything out.
The only object I have found that appears to be a CCTV fixture is located over the entrance to Jenny’s restaurant. But Jenny’s does not appear to be the origin of the second video clip. The second clip has been edited and does not exhibit a timestamp.
Sushi,
Any chance of a link to the second clip? Yes, there is an oblong ceiling device at Jenny’s restaurant entrance but due to the pattern on the floor tiles and the indented wall and pillar the first pictures were defnitely not from there. At the entrance to the Market Walk that the Skripals would have come from there is a very obvious CCTV dome in the centre
There is an indistinct object to the very left of the SNAP in the Fitness centre sign. Could this be a CCTV? But what purpose would that serve for the Fitness centre? It wouldn’t capture anyone at the door or coming from the other direction. Any CCTV inside looking through their window would have those etched horizontal lines on it which the pictures so far don’t have. (There’s a device inside SNAP with a green light showing)
If you pan up though, there’s some lovely spider webs and assorted muck and filth by the ceiling lights outside the SNAP centre!
https://www.google.ca/maps/@51.0696997,-1.7972648,3a,71y,202.18h,97.36t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1scbNxGqkkKjZk1pmo1m0QUg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
This should be the correct link–>
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5767001/cctv-video-ex-russian-spy-sergei-skripal-daughter-yulia-walking-mystery-woman-before-poisoned/
I am pretty sure the CCTV is located inside Jenny’s Restaurant. The projection to the left matches what can be seen via Google street view.
The video loops and plays the same events twice. It also appears to zoon but I suspect this is an artifact of the capture technique rather than the original footage.
What I find odd is the bulky clothing of the figure who is walking adjacent to the couple believed to be the Skripals. My first thought is that she has an air-pack or similar device under her coat. The Skripals (if it indeed is them) are not recognizable by me.
After they pass the video jumps ahead to an ambulance passing through the arcade. In real time this occurred 8 minutes after the trio went past. Then there follows an individual reported to be a first aid responder lugging bulky containers which likely contain ventilators and the like. Which are curiously similar to the size of the object the “Lady with White Shoes” has under her coat.
http://theduran.com/14-questions-for-london-on-fabricated-skripal-case/
From the above link:
Russia’s Embassy in London has sent a list of questions, 14 to be specific, to the British Foreign Ministry on the poisoning of Sergey and Yulia Skripal – which include a demand to clarify whether samples of the nerve agent “Novichok” have ever been developed in the UK.
The Russian embassy’s statement calls the incident that started the recent diplomatic row a “fabricated case against Russia.”
The questions published by the Russian Foreign Ministry’s official website have been translated below:
1. Why has Russia been denied the right of consular access to the two Russian citizens, who came to harm on British territory?
2. What specific antidotes and in what form were the victims injected with? How did such antidotes come into the possession of British doctors at the scene of the incident?
3. On what grounds was France involved in technical cooperation in the investigation of the incident, in which Russian citizens were injured?
4. Did the UK notify the OPCW (Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons) of France’s involvement in the investigation of the Salisbury incident?
5. What does France have to do with the incident, involving two Russian citizens in the UK?
6. What rules of UK procedural legislation allow for the involvement of a foreign state in an internal investigation?
7. What evidence was handed over to France to be studied and for the investigation to be conducted?
8. Were the French experts present during the sampling of biomaterial from Sergey and Yulia Skripal?
9. Was the study of biomaterials from Sergey and Yulia Skripal conducted by the French experts and, if so, in which specific laboratories?
10. Does the UK have the materials involved in the investigation carried out by France?
11. Have the results of the French investigation been presented to the OPCW Technical Secretariat?
12. Based on what attributes was the alleged “Russian origin” of the substance used in Salisbury established?
13. Does the UK have control samples of the chemical warfare agent, which British representatives refer to as “Novichok”?
14. Have the samples of a chemical warfare agent of the same type as “Novichok” (in accordance to British terminology) or its analogues been developed in the UK?
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I thought the whole Skripal affair had become ‘Pythonesque’ but now it seems there’s also Inspector Clouseau.
On question 6, do they ‘ave a la-sarnce?